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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show Eurovarmns, we're talking about animals

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Speaker 1: who belong on stage at Eurovision or not. I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm being told that that is against the rules. So

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Speaker 1: why are we talking about Eurovision. Well, for starters, as

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Speaker 1: an immigrant living in Europe, I have become a convert

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Speaker 1: to Eurovision. And secondly, I am very excited to be

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Speaker 1: joined by the hosts of Eurovangelists, a podcast all about

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Speaker 1: Eurovision and why Americans should maybe start caring. Welcome Jeremy

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Speaker 1: Bent and Dmitri Pompeii.

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Speaker 2: Hello, thank you so much. Honored to be here. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Your podcast really speaks to me because until I moved

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Speaker 1: to Europe, I was like barely cognizant of Eurovision, and

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Speaker 1: now I love it. I watch it every year.

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Speaker 2: It's a very common American condition to be completely unaware

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Speaker 2: of your vision but then immediately upon finding out about it,

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Speaker 2: falling deeply in love with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, America brain is like I need to get groceries

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Speaker 1: for five weeks every time I go and not knowing

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Speaker 1: about Eurovision, yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then European brain is, oh, I'll just go

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Speaker 2: to the grocery store every two days, and then also

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Speaker 2: I will watch an international song competition every single year.

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Speaker 1: That's that's exactly what life is like here.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I figured as much.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I just want to tell

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Speaker 1: the listeners and i''ll post links to these in the

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Speaker 1: show notes because it's so wonderful you guys shared with

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Speaker 1: me an entire list of Eurovision songs that are like

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Speaker 1: and have animals in them, and they're incredible. I both

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Speaker 1: thank you and curse you for that, because that penguin

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Speaker 1: song has been stuck in my head.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah, oh Bengal, it's it's yeah. I apologize

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Speaker 2: to your listeners because if they seek it out, it

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Speaker 2: is an earworm that never truly leaves you.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like that arc thing in the Indiana

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Speaker 1: Jones series where you open it up and your space

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Speaker 1: melts off. But it's just like about a penguin.

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Speaker 2: And an old man in a penguin costume.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that guy really really like really oscar worthy

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Speaker 1: penguin performance there.

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Speaker 2: Commits to the bit is what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: When was that, like, just give give me the rundown

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Speaker 1: on that. When when was that song?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: That was nineteen that was nineteen eighty. That erovision nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: That was the entry from Luxembourg that year. Imagine, if

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Speaker 3: you will, dear listener, a pair of twins in space

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Speaker 3: age David Bowie esque could not be more sequence on

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Speaker 3: those suits.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when space could adds.

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Speaker 3: They're singing a song about a penguin who wants to

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Speaker 3: travel the world and a very old man who I

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Speaker 3: believe wrote he can't.

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Speaker 1: Be more than sixty years old. Come on to me.

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Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: He comes out dressed as a penguin and acts the

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Speaker 3: acts out the sawe. He's searching for meaning. He's dancing

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Speaker 3: around the twins at one point give him a spanking.

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Speaker 1: They did, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's cool and fun, it's cool and normal, and ultimately

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Speaker 3: the penguin decides that home is where the heart is

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Speaker 3: and he decides to return to his ice flow.

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Speaker 1: Well, also, there's like two hot lady penguins that are

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Speaker 1: backup seating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Dmitri, How did that do in nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty That got ninth place? Wild. That's really good, pretty.

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Speaker 1: Good, incredible Eurovision. Like I can definitely see the slow

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Speaker 1: ratcheting up of the wackiness of Eurovision, where it probably

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Speaker 1: two sort of lovely ladies singing into a microphone, maybe

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Speaker 1: be swaying gently. And now we have like rotating cubes

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Speaker 1: that people are jumping around and they look it looks

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of wrestlers in a bathroom and they're

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Speaker 1: all kissing each other and it's beautiful and perfect and

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: If you think Katie is just, you know, saying random things,

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Speaker 2: she is not. She is referring to specific performances from

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Speaker 2: last year's Eurovision, but it's very true. I think something

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Speaker 2: people don't realize about Eurovision is that it's been going

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Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty six and like nineteen fifty six Eurovision

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Speaker 2: is very sedate, is quite quite low key, and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four Eurovision, you'll find has a different flavor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I am a very proud pop popping

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Speaker 3: ranchow because Jeremy on our show is in fact the

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Speaker 3: Eurovision Nube.

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Speaker 2: That's true. He comes to the show at the least

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Speaker 2: amount of Eurovision knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Also, yeah, while on the other hand, I come in

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Speaker 2: Only through our show have I met people who know

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Speaker 2: more about Eurovision than Dmitri. And it's only a couple

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Speaker 3: And I am I am but a humble student. I

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Speaker 3: am not a pro. There are so many people out

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Speaker 3: there who know much.

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Speaker 2: More than I agree to disagree.

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Speaker 1: Are any of them Americans?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: That's like no, I would argue not.

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Speaker 3: I would argue I can go toe to toe with

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Speaker 3: pretty much any America.

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Speaker 2: I would be impressed if I met someone from the

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Speaker 2: US who knew more about Eurovision than Dmitri, because we've

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Speaker 2: had a couple of guests, one from the UK, one

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Speaker 2: from Sweden who are extremely knowledgeable about Eurovision, but they're

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Speaker 2: sort of steeped in it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're euros so they know they have the vision.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they have the vision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well one more common about the penguin song, and then.

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Speaker 2: I'll forget no, no, it's hard to let go.

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Speaker 1: It is about a father penguin, like abandoning his family,

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Speaker 1: and I would just like to say that you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of penguin species, the father penguin is actually

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Speaker 2: They would never do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you will sit on the egg. The emperor penguins famously,

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Speaker 1: and in other penguin species as well, the male penguin

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Speaker 1: female penguin. But it is a joint venture there. But

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Speaker 1: speaking of birds, let's talk about our first. Let's call

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Speaker 1: them contestants. These are animals, folks, but they are on

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Speaker 1: It's not really contained to Europe, but it is. I

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Speaker 1: think they belong on the Eurovision stage just because of

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Speaker 1: the flamboyants, because if you have if you can know,

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Speaker 1: like just one thing about Eurovision is it's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: about the best music in the world. It's about the

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Speaker 1: most outrageous spectacle that can be put on a physical

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Speaker 1: stage for you. Have you guys heard of frigate birds?

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Speaker 2: Frigate never like the ship a frigate Yes, like the

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Speaker 2: ship Okay, they know they know if it was something else, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, forget.

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Speaker 2: Bird oh yeah yeah, frigate birds birds you know, like

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Speaker 2: when a bird takes a dump on you to go

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Speaker 2: frigate bird bird.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So they are found in Barbuda, an island in

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean, so they are. They participate from August to October,

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Speaker 1: so by the time you're listening to this, they probably

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Speaker 1: are still going uh there is an important song and

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, now we're so.

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Speaker 1: They put on this incredible show during this mating season,

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Speaker 1: this magnificent frigate bird mating LC. I'm not hyping them up.

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Speaker 1: That species is actually called magnificent frigatebirds and they do indeed, Wow,

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Speaker 1: how are you Their performances in something called a lek,

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Speaker 1: which is a large stage in which groups of males

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Speaker 2: This is fantastic, amazing, you know.

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Speaker 3: If I may make an early Eurovision connection to these birds.

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Speaker 3: One of the greatest Eurovision songs of all time is

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Speaker 3: the two thousand and nine winning song fairy Tale by

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Speaker 3: Alexander Reebuk. It is a Norwegian song and the stage

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Speaker 3: performance of the song is literally what you describe.

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Speaker 2: That is true.

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Speaker 3: Actually it is the It is the port performance of

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Speaker 3: what is called the hauling, a tradition in the Nordic

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Norwegians had lex That's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: They like the act that they specifically are performing in

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Speaker 2: Alexander Reriebuks reforming is kicking hats off a broom, right well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's a thing, that's the real thing that Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's measuring their physical fitness and ability to sire

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Speaker 2: I mean, I will say the guys doing it on

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Speaker 2: think I could do what they are doing kick a hat.

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Speaker 2: I'm not with that negative attitude. You can.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of feel like I could

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Speaker 1: kick a hat off a broom, don't you think?

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Speaker 2: But there you got to watch these guys.

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Speaker 1: Do it all right, well special, It's just.

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Speaker 3: Nice to know that the Animal Kingdom, you know, perhaps

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Speaker 2: We should do that. I will also say. I will

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Speaker 2: also say I have looked up the Magnificent frigate Bird

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Speaker 2: and they got a look that would play on a

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Speaker 1: It's angular. They kind of look like a brutalist architecture.

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Speaker 2: So Yeah, excellent, strong color story they're telling here. Oh wow, right,

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Speaker 2: just looked it up too. Wow. Okay, due's plant for

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Speaker 2: the frigate. A lot of drama in that look, is

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Speaker 1: It's high fashion culture, so I will paint you a

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Speaker 1: verbal picture with my word mouth. The largest of their genus,

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Speaker 1: the magnificent frigatebird, are sea birds with shiny black feathers,

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Speaker 1: a long, hooked beak, and forked tails similar to a swallow.

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Speaker 1: They have a wingspan of up to eight feet long,

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Speaker 1: which is two point four meters for my European friends,

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Speaker 1: which allows them to fly up to ninety five miles

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Speaker 1: be achieved while they are diving, and they are. They're

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Speaker 1: very elegant, but they're also menacing. They look a bit

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Speaker 1: like pterodactyls, and indeed they terrorize fish and other birds

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Speaker 1: that they steal their catches from so they are both

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Speaker 1: pirates and hunters until the males decide they want to

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Speaker 1: get down with the females. Then they turn into red balloons.

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Speaker 2: The pirrating apparently not attractive to the females, but I

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Speaker 2: is some sort of like sexual attraction characteristic for the frigatebird.

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Speaker 2: The male frigatebirds seem to have this like giant red

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Speaker 2: balloon under their neck. This is wild.

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Speaker 1: This is an inflatable goal or pouch. Now I'm going

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Speaker 1: to touch back on the piracy issue here.

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Speaker 2: With females later.

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Speaker 1: You don't get away with anything on this show. This

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Speaker 1: show is about facts.

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Speaker 2: Nice try bird.

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Speaker 1: Your feelings about birds. So, yeah, the males have something

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Speaker 2: Sure you'd trade your voice for that kind of scenario.

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Speaker 1: At all, right, body language, you know, if she just

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Speaker 1: Right yeah? Or gestures you know, like you know octopus,

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Speaker 1: Divine stole my voice. Yeah, So I did want to

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Speaker 2: Get ready, okay, Grilly. You said that the.

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Speaker 1: Females aren't attracted to piracy, and that may or may

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Speaker 3: I think the main takeaway here, especially for you notorious

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Speaker 3: Is that you know, piracy is not limited by your

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Speaker 2: Jeremy. I said that women weren't attracted to the piracy,

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Speaker 2: They're like, there's a really good Uh, Katie, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: who is coming in to a genre of music that

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Speaker 3: thousand and six, and then it has been a big

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00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: part of it since then.

440
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was really there was the god, uh the what.

441
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: Was I assume you're money the oh oh at at

442
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: Paris Olympics. Yeah, yeah, oh god, what is that band

443
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: not go Jiro?

444
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Is it?

445
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah it is Gojira.

446
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so uh, I thought it was great. They

447
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: did a great performance and it made me feel happy.

448
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Because it's like, man, Europe is really like I feel

449
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: like metal is becoming a lot more like just mainstream,

450
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: which I'm yeah, totally, I'm not one of these people.

451
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't want it to become mainstream. That's good. I

452
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: want to hear more of it and have it.

453
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: And also like go Jira, a very well regarded French

454
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: metal band, like of the bands that you could have

455
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: put in the Olympics opening ceremonies to play metal. Yeah,

456
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: GoJ You're an excellent choice, very very good.

457
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: This is the official call out to go Jira. Give

458
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: it a try, give your vision a shot. You know

459
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: you got the money, you can do it.

460
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: I believe in you. Risk it. Guys.

461
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. They might feel like that's kind

462
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: of a reach, but yeah, the the but they had

463
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful performance. And the thing that made me angry

464
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: was that I think it was the like the was

465
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: it was either like the Canadian broadcast or the Yeah,

466
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: I think it was the Canadian broadcasters kept talking over

467
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: the and I well, like they would not do that

468
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: for any of the other musical acts. But like there's

469
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: this assumption that oh, because it's metal, that's just background noise.

470
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: We can talk now and it's like, guys, it's like music.

471
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Also look Mary Antoinette, just like art form. Mary Antoinette

472
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: has like streamers coming out of her neck hole that

473
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: look like blood. It's so cool, Like, shut up, I

474
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: want to watch this.

475
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely like metal is a one of the greatest Eurovision songs,

476
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: not even there's there's been some great metal songs, but

477
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of the one that occurred in twenty nineteen.

478
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: This is called it.

479
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: This is Hittari's song, and it's basically a song about

480
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: how evil will prevail. And they imagine this world in

481
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 3: which all the worst things have happened. The worst people

482
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: are running every country, the climate has collapsed, the environment

483
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: is unbreathable, evil has.

484
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: Efficient what an impossible scenario, especially in twenty nineteen.

485
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: I know, shocking truly, And then there's there's a there's

486
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: a little fleck of hope at the end of the

487
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: song is like this doesn't have to happen, we don't

488
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: have to let this occur. It's a metal song that

489
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: on its glance, at first glance, could be terrifying or

490
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: confusing or unsettling, which it is, but it also has

491
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: something beautiful to say about not giving up hope and

492
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: making improvements to the world in which we live.

493
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: I mean this is.

494
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: An art form, yeah, absolutely, I mean there are a

495
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: lot of metal I mean, personally, my choice of metal

496
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: bands tend to be like progressive metal, so it's already

497
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: a little more soft, a little more ethereal. But like, yeah,

498
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot of like metal bands. Where you're

499
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: listening to it, it sounds super scary, like they're gonna

500
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: tell you something about how like satan is, you know,

501
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: eating your eyeballs or something, But then it turns out

502
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: it has like a pro environment is or yeah, like

503
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: it could be something about like hey, you should join

504
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: a union, or like hey, the environment is cool. But

505
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: they're just singing it in this kind of like rob

506
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: no voice, and that's you know, we're going to do

507
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: that again.

508
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: By the way, my brother in law is a is

509
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: a very very good musician, but specifically bass player. Like

510
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: I've seen him play based many times with a number

511
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: of different bands, and I think the only bass player

512
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in real life who I think is

513
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: better than him his Thundercat. But he currently tours with

514
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: a band called Number twelve. Looks just like you which

515
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: is taken from a Twilight Zone episode and actually truly

516
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: one of my all time favorite Twilight Zone episodes. But

517
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: they're they're a pretty long running metal band that has

518
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: that kind of vocal and like I went to see

519
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 2: them when they played in La because he was he

520
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: was staying at our apartment, and like that kind of

521
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: vocal does turn me off a little bit, but also

522
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: the music is really good, So yeah.

523
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: I get it, though, I get your perspective.

524
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I but I think metal is like is

525
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: like pretty much every genre of music. Like we all

526
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: had friends in college who are like, I listened to

527
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: everything except country and rap, right. It was like that

528
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: was such a thing in the two thousands where it

529
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, but there is good country music and

530
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: there is good rap music. You just don't want to

531
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: identify with those genre.

532
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Well, but like it's also just like I only I

533
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: don't listen to like essentially like music that's poetry and

534
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: music that has I don't know, any sort of rural

535
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: element to it. And then you're like, if you put

536
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: it that way, then it's like, Okay, that's really weird.

537
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: Though, what do you mean, Yeah, that's messed up, dude,

538
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: exclusively Gregorian Chit.

539
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no joke that I'm interested. I will say I'm

540
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: interested in that guy. What's that guy? I thought?

541
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: Sleep to gregoryan Chance though, Oh sure, I do mess

542
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: around with Gregory and Chance, But I do mess around

543
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: with all music because I think all music can be good.

544
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 2: I completely agree, because it's like because like, yeah, it's like,

545
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: do I love all country music? It's like, no, I'm

546
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: not going to rep for like bro country, but I'm

547
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: also not going to pretend that I don't listen to

548
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: like Willie Nelson or like Orville Peck for a more

549
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: recently part, Dolly park God's Sake Dolly part like.

550
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: If you don't like Dolly Porton, there's something wrong with you,

551
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: But obviously.

552
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: Most of them like anyway, we'll get into our country

553
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: discussion on a different podcast, But yeah, I.

554
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: Understand maybe like that so that that type of voice

555
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: is called a death growl, and it does not appeal

556
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: to everyone. I get it, Like I like, I do

557
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: like progressive metal the most, and there's not as much

558
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: death growl in that, but some metal is really primarily

559
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: that death grawl, and a really good death growl I

560
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: think can be really exciting when I hear it too much,

561
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: my own throat starts to hurt, kind of in sympathy.

562
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: But there is our next Eurovarmint competition entrant is one

563
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: of the world's best heavy metal death growlers.

564
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.

565
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: Can you guys just like guess, like, what what what

566
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: do you think would be the best at this?

567
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: Well? I have I have seen the death metal Rooster

568
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: video where they've edited some heavy metal riffs under a

569
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: rooster going pretty full out, and it does work, you

570
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

571
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: Have you seen me? Have you seen the animal version

572
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: of let the bodies hit the floor with the bodies.

573
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: But sounds great? Well, look the look that up.

574
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: Anyways, the best animal who just really masters this death

575
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: growl is the howler monkey. Have you guys heard of hower?

576
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yes, yes, that was right there on

577
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: the in the name, much like the magnificent friggin bird.

578
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: Yet they're not giving it away. They are giving it. Yeah,

579
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: there's no mystery here. Yeah, these howls the howler monkeys.

580
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are called the kick ass howler monkeys. That's

581
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: their literal form, So howler monkeys. They are actually multiple

582
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: species of howler monkeys. They are a genus of monkey

583
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: who live in South America and the tropics. They are

584
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: capable of incredible death growls, incredible sounds. There are many

585
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: species like I mentioned, with fur ranging from black to

586
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: brown to red like red red fur. It's really really pretty.

587
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: They have these wide set faces, these large shaggy jowls,

588
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: and they grow from around two to three feet, which

589
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: is about sixty to ninety centimeters, not including their tail,

590
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: which is super long as well. They have a long,

591
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: prehensile tail. They live in the trees, and of course

592
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: they howl. So I am going to let you listen

593
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: to this. This is a red howler monkey from the

594
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Speaker 1: Houston Zoo.

595
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: Like it works, Yeah right.

596
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: We put you this way. My best friend in the

597
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: world is actually in a metal band. He's the lead

598
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: singer Great American Ghosts.

599
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: Check him out.

600
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: I want to tell him to go down to the

601
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Houston Zoo and pick this monkey up and put him

602
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: on the next album because that was terrifying and I

603
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: loved it.

604
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: Yes, it's fantastic. So they make these wonderful, wonderful death

605
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: growls that can be very very loud as well heard

606
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: over long, long distances, and so in this case, it

607
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: is mostly the males doing this. I'm sad to say

608
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: that in real life and in how well, I guess

609
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: howler monkeys are also real life, but in human metal

610
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: bands and monkey metal bands, males dominate the death growling space.

611
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: Although there are some very accomplished female death growlers out there,

612
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, just look them up. I can't remember their

613
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: names because I don't have Dimitri's brain can remember everything.

614
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: Our greatest resource on euro evangelists. I try my best,

615
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

616
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: So. Typically males are larger than females and they do

617
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: the majority of this loud howling, and they do it

618
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: to attract females to stake out their territory. It is

619
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: a form of communication that can be from like hey,

620
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm a hot sexy male, come check me out, to

621
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: like back off, this is my area, to like, hey,

622
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: I'm over here, what's up? So many different types of communications.

623
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: Somebody ways to communicate? How many ways kind of goes

624
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: into the whole death growl you know, art form, because

625
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 3: even in the music, it's not always anger that's being

626
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: portrayed here. It often is, but it is there's so

627
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: many different messages that you can communicate through. Through that

628
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: type of singing. So I'm glad to know that the

629
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: animal kingdom operates exactly the same way, and I hope

630
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: it's incredibly a thing because the type in my humble experience,

631
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: the type of women who like that music are always

632
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: really cool. So yeah, yeah, cowler monkeys are the same way.

633
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: In my experience. Yes, women who like metal are very cool.

634
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Little homersm there, that's okay.

635
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: So the yeah. So there are essentially two types of

636
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: howler monkey social groups among these species, and this gets

637
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: into really interesting kind of It's a great detail that

638
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: I love to talk about because it teaches you a

639
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: lot about evolution and it's also silly. So there are

640
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: social groups in some species where there's basically one male

641
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: who has a bunch of females. Will call them groupies.

642
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's a it's a mating structure,

643
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: and he will have a really, really loud howl.

644
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: It is not it is not our place to judge

645
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: the howler monkey polycule.

646
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: Look man strokes for different folks, different howls for different monkeys.

647
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: So the other social group style is multiple males that

648
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: don't maybe have as powerful of a howl, and then

649
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: multiple females, So you know, another just a different type

650
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: of polycule. One's a little more mormon, one's a little

651
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: more like tumbler.

652
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: Okay, sure.

653
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: They So the living situation actually depends on two of

654
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: the male's body parts, the hyoid bone and the testes.

655
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Speaker 1: So I guess that. I mean, you could say that's

656
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: three body parts. But okay, the hyoid bone and the

657
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: testes testies. I don't know if I need to explain it.

658
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: If I do, if you're I went to school in America,

659
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: can you explain what the testes do?

660
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: The testes are an organ that produce sperm, which are

661
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: the genetic messengers that are used to pass down the

662
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: genes of the male howler monkey hopefully to the next generation.

663
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: So very important. Now, the hyoid bone I probably don't

664
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: even need to explain that. Everyone's familiar with.

665
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm well acquainted with the highway.

666
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: Who among us has not encountered the hyoid bone?

667
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: But I guess, I guess if a young person is listening,

668
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: but maybe the children in the audience who don't know it.

669
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: Yet, A baby out there doesn't know what a hired

670
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: bone is is found in mammals, including humans. You've got

671
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: one too, unless something's wrong and it helps inkor you

672
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: sure you're looking around.

673
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: Reach for your hyoid bone right now.

674
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: Uh oh nosing.

675
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: So it is a bone that helps anchor our tongues,

676
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: lower mouth, and larynx. It's actually the only bone in

677
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: the human body that isn't attached to another bone. If

678
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: everything's proceeding, is typical for human body.

679
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: So just a loose sky just floating around.

680
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: It's a loose guy just floating around. It's attached to muscles,

681
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: not attached to other bones. So it's short of sort

682
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: of shaped like the forehead of an ox. It's got

683
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: these two horn like structures. And the hyoid bone shape

684
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: determines things from like it helps us swallow, It keeps

685
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: our tongues anchored down. It also helps our larynx function.

686
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: And so in these hawler monkeys, the size of the

687
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: hyoid bone, I mean, in all how howler monkey males,

688
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: actually the hyoid bone is quite in large. It's very big.

689
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: And so the bigger the hyoid bone, the louder the call.

690
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: So in haler monkeys that have these really really loud culls,

691
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: and then they basically have this sort of like you know,

692
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: the mormon structure of like one male in a polecule

693
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: with a bunch of females. They have this huge hyoid bone.

694
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: But guys, there's a cust Can you guess what that is?

695
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: I'd imagine that having such a huge high odbone kind

696
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: of limits what else can be done with the vocals.

697
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: Imagine it's howling and maybe nothing else.

698
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Maybe that I mean, they don't talk for sure, But you.

699
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: Remember how that's the only reason why.

700
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you remember when I mentioned these testes. There's

701
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: a simple little rhyme you can use to remember it.

702
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: The louder the call, the smaller the balls. So, uh,

703
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: the testes size is inversely correlated with the hyoid bone size.

704
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: So the bigger the hyoid bone actually the smaller the testes.

705
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: It's called an evolutionary tradeoff. This is actually a pattern

706
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: that you see in multiple species where whether it's a weapon,

707
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: whether it's the loudness of their call. Sometimes when you

708
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: invest heavily into one thing, like say a weapon size,

709
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: or in the case of this howler monkey, the size

710
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: of the hyoid bone, there's a bit of a trade

711
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: off where the testes shrink because you're investing less resources

712
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: into say testes size.

713
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: In the world of video games, we call that min max. Yeah,

714
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: I do like that. The Howler monkey is sort of

715
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: like a self regulating like the developers put in a

716
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: lot of like balancing, so it's like, wow, you can

717
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: really go crazy on the hyoid bone, but then your

718
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: testes are put all your attribute points in the hyoid bone.

719
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: They should have they should have done that in Balder's

720
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: Gate three.

721
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right, go nuts or your high eyed bone and

722
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: beg three.

723
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Because you could see the outcome of those particular character choices. Anyway,

724
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: So the ones that have the smaller hyoid bones but

725
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: larger testies are the ones who live in these groups

726
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: that are more like a tumbler polycule. There's multiple males

727
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: and also multiple females, Whereas the ones with the really

728
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: loud call the big hyoid bone but smaller testes are

729
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: the ones that are more Mormon. There there's the one

730
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: one male. I don't write to me. I know that

731
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: modern Mormonism doesn't do this, but whatever.

732
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: I do, I do like that. The female Hower monkeys

733
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: who go for that big hyoid bone are kind of

734
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: like size queens when it comes to the I need

735
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: a guy just screaming in my ear as loud as

736
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: humanly possible.

737
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: My my sort of philosophy is that everyone's a size queen,

738
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: But it just depends what the size of the thing is,

739
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Like for me, it's empathy. It's the

740
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: size of the empathy that matters.

741
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, good answer, good answer.

742
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm glad you told me this in advance, because I

743
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: was gonna I was gonna put that I have a

744
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: huge highway bone in matating profiles, and now I do

745
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: not want to do that anything.

746
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to Dmitri when Dmitri starts howling baby. Yeah.

747
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: And so this is really interesting because what is happening here, right,

748
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: why you have these different social groups, is that you

749
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: have a competition happening on different levels. For the species

750
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: where the males have these big hyoide bones, the competition

751
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: is happening with their calls, right, like they and then

752
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: they don't have to compete as much in terms of

753
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: their testes size, right. And I'm not even talking about

754
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: the females like being into big Testies or small testies.

755
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: It is literally when you have smaller testees, you got

756
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: fewer soldiers, right, You have less sperm to play around

757
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: with you can clip that and put that out out

758
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: of context. But yeah, right, it's a numbers game. And

759
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: so if you are mating, if you're a bunch of

760
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: males and say you're mating with the same female, right, uh,

761
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: you want to have more sperm to compete with other

762
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: males and so that it's more likely that one of

763
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: your guys is going to get in there and reach

764
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: the cross the finish line first. So but if you've

765
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: already secured your females, like I have the best death

766
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: browl around and you guys are loyal to me, and

767
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: also I'm intimidating to other males, so they're not going

768
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: to come around and try to fight me, then you

769
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: don't need to compete as much on testes size. So yeah,

770
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It is a really interesting like

771
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: these howler monkeys really demonstrate this very interesting evolutionary trend

772
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: that you see also from from insects to mammals to fish,

773
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: Like this kind of like trade off thing and sexual

774
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: selection and like the difference between say sperm competition and

775
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: like actual like competition with say weapons or vocals. It

776
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: abounds in animals and maybe Eurovision, I don't know, fellas

777
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: what do you think I.

778
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: Mean, that's a great point. There's now oftentimes there you

779
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: go Oftentimes in Eurovision, you know the people, it's it's

780
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: the visual spectacle gets a lot of hype and people

781
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: tend to forget that it is in fact a song contest.

782
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: But there are some there are.

783
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: Some performances, especially even in this last year. The guy

784
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: who came in fourth place was a way. It was

785
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: a French ballot and not much in terms of staging,

786
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: visual almost nothing, really almost nothing terms of staging. But

787
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: the voice was so peerless. That's got that got him

788
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 3: all the points he needed to get for fourth place.

789
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: It just goes to show that the voice alone, and

790
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: we've seen this multiple times in Eurovision. People who do

791
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: call what is a parking bark. It's just them nothing else,

792
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: singing into a microphone, and because of the quality of

793
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: that voice, they often find themselves getting great ranking.

794
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: If you've got the goods when it comes to the singing,

795
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: you might be okay. It's one people Eurovision before it's

796
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: best to maybe have a little of both.

797
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: Streamers at least put some streamers.

798
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: In there on do something but like or cover your.

799
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: Drum set and crochet they did that last year or

800
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: this year.

801
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: That's right, do what you gotta do. But sometimes that

802
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: voice is enough.

803
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean exactly. So there's trade offs

804
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: in Eurovision. There's trade offs and monkey testes as well.

805
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: So you know, as the old saying goes.

806
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: The old dog goes. Females do also howl, and they

807
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: can be quite loud, but they are usually well basically

808
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: always not as loud as the males, much lessnnoying. And

809
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean so it is really interesting because

810
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: it kind of sounds like they're rude, right, they're yelling

811
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: at each other, howling all the time, but actually this

812
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: is something that keeps their aggression and fighting relatively low.

813
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Like it diffuses tension, it solves conflicts without them having

814
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: to actually resort to violence. So they basically are using

815
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: their words, not their fists, even though their words are

816
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: just like ooo.

817
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: Well, they do often say that Eurovision is the thing

818
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: that has prevented many European wars. Many Europeans say, we

819
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: do eurovisions so we don't fight each other. So there

820
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: is some merit to that idea.

821
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, there is, I actually like, even though

822
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: obviously there are still wars and it's I mean, Eurovision

823
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: can get really political. I mean this year's Eurovision got quite.

824
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: Political because frequently does will continue to.

825
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like you know, it's a but there

826
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: is something to that, right where essentially what happens in

827
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: terms of animals, right, is that if you can basically

828
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: predetermine who's probably gonna win the fight before you actually fight,

829
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: then you don't have to go through the fighting, right

830
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: like that, And that's kind of a it's sort of

831
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: an interesting sort of theory about like maybe sports, like

832
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: if you have two groups of people and you play

833
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: like some kind of sport or game with each other,

834
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: like and there's even combat styles where sometimes it was

835
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: more like a sport less killing, so that you could

836
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: determine basically, okay, who really is gonna win this, but

837
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: maybe we can do it without killing each other, and

838
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: then whoever wins it, we're just gonna say, like, okay,

839
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: you win, we'll back off, uh, because we don't want

840
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: to die. And even if you win, you don't want

841
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: to incur those casualties. So like humans do do that,

842
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: and now it's become kind of more eurovisiony. But throughout

843
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: our history we've also had conflicts, conflicts where it's like

844
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, we're we're just sort of

845
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: like trying to scope out whether we're gonna lose this

846
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: fight really bad.

847
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, folks, but I want to

848
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: watch the Disney or Pixar or DreamWorks movie about a

849
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: young howler monkey who can't sing.

850
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the gift, and they.

851
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: All all the other ones are, you know, mocking him

852
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: for not being able to sing. Can't any can't any

853
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: howling him, howling him.

854
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: Down if you will.

855
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: He goes on a worldwide journey to learn about the

856
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: power of song and the music within him, and he

857
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: comes back to become the boss Howler Monkey of all

858
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 3: this is like an annoyingly plausible pitch for a movie.

859
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: You're just described. I'm really sorry to break this to you,

860
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: but you're literally just describing happy feet.

861
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well.

862
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: The good thing is Hollywood is not, how do we say,

863
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 3: allergic to the idea of repackaging an old idea and

864
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: selling it as.

865
00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: A new one.

866
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: Really, I don't know that I.

867
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: Could you could you give one example of this? I've

868
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: never heard of it.

869
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and when we

870
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: get back, we're gonna meet our final contestant, who I

871
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: don't know may surprise you. So, guys, do you like techno?

872
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: I like some technow Yeah, you like you like it.

873
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: When that that thick and soupy bass drops, that is

874
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: usually my favorite part. Yeah. I used to listen to

875
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: Infected Mushroom when I was in high school because I

876
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: that was before I started getting migraines. But no, actually

877
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: quite like, I quite liked it. Like I'm not trying

878
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: to I'm not trying to be mean to techno. Techno

879
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: can be really cool. I love I love some like

880
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: interesting beats there. Uh did you guys know that fruit

881
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: flies seeing sweet romantic techno songs to each other?

882
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: Okay, this is news to me. I don't know. Yeah,

883
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: they made much of a sound besides a buzz even

884
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: kind of they're they're a pest, but they're one of

885
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: the least intrusive pests. They're very small, they don't make

886
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: a lot of noise. And also it's like it's in

887
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: the name. It's like, hey, man, we're here for the fruit. Yeah,

888
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: we're not even here for you.

889
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: No, no, no, We're just here for your bananas that

890
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: you loved out.

891
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: On another animal, another animal that tells you exactly the

892
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: whole story is in the name.

893
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: We got man. We're all three for three on that.

894
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: It's that magnificent friget. I mean, I guess frigate birds

895
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: aren't literally like eating frigates, but they kind of look

896
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: you know.

897
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 2: I guess, but like.

898
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: It's because they're swift, you know, like they make sure

899
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: they dive verious monkeys. Fruit Flies. Oh sorry, these are

900
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: called the pretty pretty neat fruit flies. That's their home.

901
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: I love it they're being humbled. Yeah, I love managing

902
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: expectations about the fruit.

903
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty neat fruit also known as the Drosophila melanogaster.

904
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: They they do sing sweet techno songs to each other.

905
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: We usually cannot hear them because they are very very quiet.

906
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: That's about to change. I've been around some flue fruit flies,

907
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: and I have not heard any sweet beets.

908
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: So, but you know, I am going to let you

909
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: listen to this. This is courtesy of a recording by

910
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: Professor Mala Murphy's neuroscience Lab at Princeton. So here we go.

911
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so it's pretty minimal, it's pretty. It

912
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: feels a little experimental, but I can get I can

913
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: mess with it. It's the start. It's the start of

914
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: the techno sad like things.

915
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta sample it, you gotta sample it.

916
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say, you could sample that and

917
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: make that into something.

918
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: You could totally sample that. So this lab is examining

919
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: these fruit flies and they are like doing this incredible

920
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: mapping of the fruitfly brain. Because fruitflies brains are very

921
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: little and tiny, it presents a great opportunity to be

922
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: able to study it in detail, and specifically, they want

923
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: to look into the decision making behind like when and

924
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: why they drop these sick beats. So, uh, first of all,

925
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: how do they make this like sound that like sort

926
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: of little like like little I guess you'd call it

927
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: kind of like drumming or it just it sounds just

928
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: a little bit like a synthetic beat almost. Yeah, And

929
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: he's doing this by Yeah, he's vibrating his wings. It's

930
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: called stridulation, and he can vibrate each wing independently and

931
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: that can change sort of the the rhythm and the.

932
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: Complex they're playing with that stereo field.

933
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 1: That's right exactly. And so males serenade females in order

934
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: to get their attention. They want to draw in these

935
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: females without freaking her out, and they will change the

936
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: beat of their song depending on how close he's approaching her,

937
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: whether she's responsive, whether she seems a little bit of skance.

938
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: It's like, rather than just sort of sitting there and

939
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: sending out this call, they are very sensitive to what

940
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: the female is doing, and they'll change their call based

941
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: on her behavior because she ultimately decides whether they may like,

942
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen without her saying, yeah, let's

943
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: do this, And so he will often spend up to

944
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, which is like forever in flute fruitfly years.

945
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: So he'll spend twenty minutes wooing her, going through hundreds

946
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: of these sensual beats.

947
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: It was like a year of his life.

948
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So what I'm hearing is this fruitfly male

949
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: values consent and a just base on the needs and

950
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: preferences of a woman green flas. This fruitfly is a gentleman.

951
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: You know, it's fruit fly.

952
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: It's very funny because all three of these animals, it's like, oh, well,

953
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: they make a sound to like attract women, to tract

954
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: females of the species and We're like, what interesting animal

955
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: behavior animals do? And you're like, man, you go to

956
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: any college quad in the entire us, and you're gonna

957
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: see some dickhead with him guitar. It's like, is it

958
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: so different to sing Blackbird on the quad? Yeah, it's very.

959
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: Similar behavior, and you can even change the song based

960
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 3: on the truly.

961
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you get the reverence that we work for you. Well,

962
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: good old fashioned wonder walls waiting us right there.

963
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: Wonderwall's always there for you. It's better than pulling literal

964
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: magic tricks out of your pocket and trying to use

965
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: that to flirt. Actually happened to me.

966
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 3: This is not oh, this is my life, not wow,

967
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I must Was it like a was it.

968
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: A card trick?

969
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: It was a card trick and a little.

970
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: Rope thing, okay, because like a cardon was like, maybe

971
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: you've got a deck of cards if you're good at it.

972
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: But once you have more props than that, I'm like,

973
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: this is a lot to carry around and you're gonna

974
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 3: pull like.

975
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: A rope out of your pocket when talking to a

976
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: woman you don't know.

977
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: Don't do that. Don't do that.

978
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't do that, sir, And you're gonna a.

979
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 2: Real trick, is that the woman?

980
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: It's funny because it's scary. So we're talking about these

981
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: fruit flies who they're not scary at all. They're sweet,

982
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: little o beautiful romantics.

983
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys can read the room, they really can.

984
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: And they do, and they will increase the complexity of

985
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: the song once they've got the female's attention. Females seem

986
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: to select for males with more complex beats, like and

987
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: it may be an honest signal. So we have, like

988
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: in evolutionary biology, honest signals. That means that when an

989
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: animal is giving off some signal, it is actually uh

990
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: honestly portraying something that is real about them, right, Like

991
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: I am actually quite fit here, So this is an

992
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: honest signal about the male's fitness. A smarter, more physically

993
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: fit male will be able to produce more complex songs. Uh,

994
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, just like DJs. The the more physically fit,

995
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: the more the smarter the DJs, the more fat beats they.

996
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: Can do mm hmm, the harder they can drop that beat.

997
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: That's right.

998
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 3: Well, that's when they ripped their shirts off and they're

999
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: they're cut, yeah, you know, muscle like that's how you know,

1000
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: there's a real genius in there.

1001
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: That's right, it's got you know. That's like, there's a

1002
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: lot of stuff you do with your arms that I'm

1003
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: sure you gotta get a bit of a work out.

1004
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: There, got Yeah, you gotta be buffed to crossfade effectively. Yeah.

1005
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: So here is the most romantic thing you're ever going

1006
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: to hear about a fruitfly. This is a direct quote

1007
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: from the head of this lab, Professor Murphy, who says, quote,

1008
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: it is a conversation with a back and forth. He

1009
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: sings and she slows down, and she turns, and then

1010
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: he sings more. He's constantly assessing her behavior to decide

1011
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: exactly how to sing. They're exchanging information in this way.

1012
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Unlike a songbird belting out his song from his perch.

1013
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: He tunes everything into what she's doing. It's a dialogue.

1014
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 3: Keep talking, all right, Please tell me the romantic novel that.

1015
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like this to be the next Twilight.

1016
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: But it's instead of being like a vampire, it's a

1017
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: guy who's like fruit fly.

1018
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: But where's the harlequin romance fruitfly novel?

1019
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just like you know, like you could have ended

1020
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: what is it the Cronenberg's that the fly.

1021
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, come on, Jeff Fly.

1022
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: What was that movie called guys? Fly turns into the Fly?

1023
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, the fly gets into the transporter and so

1024
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: he turns into the fly.

1025
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: Do you know what that movie is? That was that

1026
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: the bug was the guy whose face fell off.

1027
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, you could have had Jeff Goldbloom making sweet

1028
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: beats for Gena Davis.

1029
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna that would have been a huge hit.

1030
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: Geena Davis was so pretty in that movie.

1031
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: Also, that's why they got married. They were both incredibly they.

1032
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Were very attractive. I would still consider it with both

1033
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: of them even if you had a flyhead.

1034
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, I think she probably preferred them with the fly,

1035
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: you know.

1036
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if he had a fruitfly brain, right,

1037
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be a monster.

1038
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: He'd be there, actually a decent guy.

1039
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: Really nice guy, like and not like a nice guy TM,

1040
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: like a genuinely nice guy who's like, I am listening

1041
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: to you, I am hearing you, and I am changing

1042
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: my dialogue in response to your your preferences. So, given

1043
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: how simple the fruitfly's brain is, even though it's a

1044
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: beautiful brain that all men should aspire to it is

1045
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: still capable of incredible complexity. One reason that they're doing

1046
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: this study on fruitflies is because it's they're very simple,

1047
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: so they can actually map out all these neural networks.

1048
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: It's it's really incredible work to be able to pick

1049
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: apart how these brains make decisions. So yeah, but also

1050
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's inspirational. Guys like be be be more fruitfly,

1051
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean everyone, let's I shouldn't even be

1052
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: like genderest about it. Everyone should be like this fruitfly

1053
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: and like listen and dialogue and dance around and drop

1054
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: fat soupy beats. I don't know if anyone's ever described

1055
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: beats as soupy, but I do.

1056
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes I will say. It's like, if you've got a

1057
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: tiny brain and the only things that end up in

1058
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: there are I love fruit, I love making beats, and

1059
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: I love attending to my partner. You can do worse

1060
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: than those three things.

1061
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: You know, there are many creatures with much more complex

1062
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: brains who waste their potential. So I think you're also

1063
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: in there, Fell, You know.

1064
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: That's that's a beautiful message to end on. But but,

1065
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: but but before we go, we have to play a

1066
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: little game. Sound game, I guess who's squawk? And every

1067
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: week I play mystery animal sound and you the listener,

1068
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: and you the guests, try to guess who who the

1069
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: heck is making that sound. It can be any animal

1070
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: in the world, on the world, around the world.

1071
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: So this was We've trained up a little bit. We've

1072
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: already listened to three different animals this episode, so.

1073
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: This the the This one comes from actually an episode

1074
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: from I think two weeks ago, the Belly of the

1075
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: Beast episode. But if you listen to that episode, My

1076
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: hint was just like, if you listen to this episode,

1077
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: you'll probably get it. Uh, So you could either go

1078
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: back and listen to that episode or if you want

1079
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: another hint, because I'm feeling generous here, it is remember

1080
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: to say peace and thank you for your meals. Guys.

1081
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: I really hope they're drinking water here, all right, don't.

1082
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't like how long the second half is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So to get this correct, you not only have

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: to guess the animal, but you also have to guess

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01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing.

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01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, mm so there sounds like they're maybe not

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: drinking water because.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'm gonna take a while guess all right,

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go nuts and go nuts.

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01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: I think that is a peacock bathing itself.

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01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: Mmm mmm, so we've got some sort of foul bathing

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: going on there.

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: I think that might be a duck and perhaps they

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01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: are wading into the water or sort of paddling with

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01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: their with their duck fees.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Jeremy, you're half correct.

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01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: This is okay, I'll take it.

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: But both of you are not quite right about what

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: is happening. What is actually happening is these ducks are frantically,

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01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: frantically a bowl of wet peas.

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01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: I can't believe you.

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: Did not You didn't. This is this is the thing,

1103
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: is that your your brains are too attuned to your

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01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: vision and not attuned enough to waterfowl. I am just

1105
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: as but because you did, both guess at least some

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01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: sort of bird, your prize is. I'm sending you a

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01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: link to the video of the ducks eating a bowl

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01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: of peas, which when I need like a little pick

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01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: me up, right like I'm you know, just throughout the day,

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01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: if I watch this video of ducks eating a bowl piece,

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: I feel better. It makes you feel good fast, like

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01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: it's like a little shot a series.

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01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: They really they're all about these.

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: Piece going to bowl wet peas. Congratulations.

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01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: They know they know that the bowl is coming, and

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: they are like it is go time.

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01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, congratulations to Emily and for writing in

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01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: and guessing correctly. So, guys, some tips about feeding ducks.

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01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: Don't feed them bread. Bread's not good for them. It's

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: also just eat the bread. Bread is good. I like it,

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01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: You like it.

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01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: Don It's good good for us, it's good for it,

1123
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: well for us emotionally, it's good.

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01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: For it's good for our souls. But like the ducks,

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: it's not good for the ducks or for the duck souls.

1126
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: Too much bread and they'll get vitamin deficiencies. It's also like, yeah,

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01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: so like there are other nice treats you can feed

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,479
Speaker 1: ducks in moderation, including peas. But you can also feed

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01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: them lettuce, corn, grapes, oats, and earthworms, which I saw

1130
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: as a suggestion somewhere, And I'm just trying to imagine

1131
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: someone going like, technically, yes, that.

1132
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: Is true, about to go back, you know.

1133
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: What, Just chew them up and spit them directly to

1134
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: the duck's mouth. Sure, yeah, that's how you make duck friends.

1135
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: All right, so onto this week's mystery animal sound. The

1136
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: hint is this. It's a bit of a complicated hint.

1137
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: I've actually used this sound before on this very game,

1138
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: but it's one of my favorite animal sounds, so longtime

1139
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: listeners of the show maybe you'll remember. But I'm pulling

1140
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: it out again because I love it. I love this animal,

1141
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: I love this sound, and I just feel like this

1142
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: should be sampled in some kind of like europop or

1143
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: like techno song, so.

1144
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: We'll get our best people on.

1145
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that because the new songs for

1146
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: euro Vision twenty twenty five are just now according into

1147
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 3: their natural collections. So yeah, if you're listening artists out there,

1148
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 3: you haven't finished your song unique sound. You need.

1149
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: The sound you've been looking for. Or I'm I'm because

1150
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: we were talking about your vision. I was saying a

1151
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: europop a europop song, but maybe I should say something

1152
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: more along the lines of Colombian music because this little

1153
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: guy is from the Andes. All right, do you guys

1154
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: have any guesses.

1155
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: As to what could be making I mean, we can

1156
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: work that into a song, is what I'll say.

1157
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good sound. Isn't it.

1158
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: And I'll also say last year I had a fantastic

1159
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 2: song called Lanoya, which was from Italy, but it had

1160
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: Cumbia elements, which is of course a Colombian music form.

1161
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 3: So the president is already there and she came in

1162
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: I believe she came in seventh, So just saying yeah, same,

1163
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 3: I have no guess this is what this sound is.

1164
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: I believe it is some sort of bird.

1165
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: All right, Dimitri, you's still going with birds, what about you?

1166
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 2: Jeremy, No, I'm gonna switch it up. I'm gonna say

1167
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: this is some sort of weird Colombian. Oh, maybe it's

1168
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: one of the I don't know if they're Colombia.

1169
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: Should not just stop that sentence there, I'm gonna it's

1170
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: a weird Colombian.

1171
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm saying, I don't know if they're Columbian.

1172
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: But you know those those squirrels from South America that

1173
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: are like super colorful. Maybe it's one of those.

1174
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 1: Sure, well, fellas, I'm not going to tell you because

1175
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to find out on next week's episode

1176
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: of Creature Feature. That's right, I'm making you wait, where

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01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: we will reveal who is making the sound if you

1178
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: think you know and you want to write to me

1179
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: or to me at Creature Featurepod at gmail dot com

1180
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: with your guesses. You can also ask me animal questions.

1181
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: I on occasion will answer your questions on the air

1182
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: and special listener questions episodes. Sometimes I'll respond directly to

1183
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: your email, depends on how rejuvenated I am that day

1184
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: by the video of ducks eating peas. But yes, please

1185
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: write to me or if you have cute pictures of

1186
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: your pets or if you have that you feed peas too,

1187
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: I want to hear about it. Guys, thank you so

1188
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: much for joining me today. Where can people find in

1189
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: Just go and listen to their Eurovision podcasts.

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: It's very easy to find wherever you get your podcasts.

1191
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: Eurovangelists is the name. We've got new episodes every week

1192
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 2: and the new Eurovision and the new Eurovision season starts

1193
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: in literally next month. We will start hearing new songs.

1194
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: And it's happening.

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01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all. It's nearly upon us. But we also

1196
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: have many episodes about Eurovision history. We did a whole

1197
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: series of three episodes where we ranked all of the

1198
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: twenty first century Eurovision winners, which might be a good

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01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: entry point for people who are like, what's this thing

1200
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: all about?

1201
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: We also cover We also cover subjects that we just

1202
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 3: kind of want to speculate on, and group songs together.

1203
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: We most recently did.

1204
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: An episode about Eurovision's guilty Pleasures, the songs we like

1205
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 3: but arguably we shouldn't, so we do. Also it's a

1206
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 3: fun stuff. You can also find us on the Instagram.

1207
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 3: You're Evangelist is right there on Instagram. We do all

1208
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: sorts of fun little updates, news. Sometimes we do the

1209
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 3: occasional giveaway of Eurovision and or your Evangelist merch.

1210
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're everywhere. You can find us. You're Evangelist everywhere.

1211
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: Of course to meet you. And he's talking about guilty

1212
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: songs that they shouldn't like, but do you like. He is,

1213
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: of course talking about the power ballad about committing war crimes.

1214
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: Time history. That's not my pick. I like the silly songs.

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Speaker 1: Guys, Thank you so much for listening. If you're enjoying

1216
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: the show and you leave a rating review, you know

1217
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: that I love it. You know I read all of

1218
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: them and I absorb your comments like a happy little sponge.

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,920
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Speaker 1: For more podcasts like the One Who Just Heard, visit

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts, or Hey guess what you

1223
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. I don't judge you. I'm

1224
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: not your mother. I can't tell you what to do,

1225
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: but you know, try to eat some peas along with

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01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: your bread. See you next Wednesday.