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Speaker 1: It was about five years ago. Cole Writing came into

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Speaker 1: our show. He had a song about his dad. Remember this.

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Speaker 1: It was a saddie Yeah, it was a sad song,

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Speaker 1: a song saddy about daddy. Yeah, And we got to

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Speaker 1: get Cole reading in here to talk about this. It

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Speaker 1: was great. And then we're looking at your TikTok and

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Speaker 1: there's another song we're listening to about a breakup. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it won't be me another stand for one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I write like a deep from a deep place.

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Speaker 1: So now Cole has Gay Americana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love this record so much I can't tell you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna play it in a second, so everyone

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Speaker 1: calm down. Let's talk about the journey now, Okay, what's

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Speaker 1: great about your story?

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Speaker 2: Call?

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Speaker 1: And people are just getting to know you. They need

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Speaker 1: to hear about your journey because that makes the song

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Speaker 1: even more important. On this path, this pathway from you.

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Speaker 1: Then as a guy growing up, I guess closeted at

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Speaker 1: some point in your life, right, and then now you've

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Speaker 1: kot boom out, you kicked the door down boom. The

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Speaker 1: old gay Cole is here. Yeah, but now you have

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Speaker 1: a totally different look, a different vibe. And you're a

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Speaker 1: lot different as far as your self awareness. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: tell you were here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the journey between the first time you came

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Speaker 1: on our show, yeah versus now, how did you find

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Speaker 1: your lane? I think this is important for anyone and everyone,

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Speaker 1: even if they're not an artist, they could be an industry.

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Speaker 1: How do you find your lane? You found it on

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Speaker 1: your job.

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Speaker 2: I feel like also, love like life is so chaotic

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Speaker 2: now and move so quickly. It's like we're all sort

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Speaker 2: of shedding skin so consistently. And I just gotten sober.

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Speaker 2: That was an integral part. I think my sobriety and

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Speaker 2: my insecurity about my sexuality kind of went hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, I have to get sober in

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Speaker 2: order to come out, and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, I think coming out when you're drunk it's

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Speaker 1: so much easier.

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Speaker 2: No, it would have been easier, but it was. It

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Speaker 2: was a deeply healing time, and I think I tried

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Speaker 2: to do everything I could to sort of like balance

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Speaker 2: out that sloppy kid who disappointed a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: And I just built this thing in twenty nineteen that

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Speaker 2: was very sort of buttoned up and very serious, and

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Speaker 2: I came on here got sick. I got diagnosed with

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Speaker 2: like type of diabetes out on the hospital. But for

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Speaker 2: a month he was.

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Speaker 1: In a coma.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then but but looked at the ceiling and

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, you get opportunities every

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Speaker 2: day to do something new with your life. And I

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Speaker 2: moved to LA a couple of years ago. I'm working

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Speaker 2: with one consistent producer, Steven Santa Teresa, and we were like,

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Speaker 2: the world is really noisy, what is the point? Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to just make noise. I have a

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Speaker 2: lot of life experiences and we found this phrase gay Americana,

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Speaker 2: which to me explains so much of my life what

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Speaker 2: I and meaning that I think that I look at

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Speaker 2: my life and a lot of times when you see

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Speaker 2: like great LGBTQ representation and like classic American pop culture,

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Speaker 2: those things aren't always together. It's like there's like sick

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Speaker 2: dance artists that are gay and things that are like

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Speaker 2: a little edgier, And I'm like very like heartland palatable Americana.

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Speaker 2: So this is your calling, Yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 1: This is your lane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think mostly like artistically it gives me,

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Speaker 2: like I you know, even this game American is like this,

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Speaker 2: This is this sweet coming out story with like this

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Speaker 2: thrashing Bruce Springsteen style record, And there's a duality to that,

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Speaker 2: and I think it allows me to talk about my

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Speaker 2: own personal journey and if in any way that helps

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Speaker 2: like the next goal feel a little scene, that would

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Speaker 2: be like the highest for me.

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Speaker 1: So here it is you're floating around out o space,

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Speaker 1: not really tethered to the planet, like wondering where am

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Speaker 1: I going? What am I doing? What's the point in

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Speaker 1: all of this as an artist or as a parent,

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Speaker 1: or as a banker, or as anyone, like what's the voint?

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Speaker 1: What am I doing? You gotta find you gotta find

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Speaker 1: who you are? Yeah, and then it all sorts starts

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Speaker 1: to make sense. You know, as a mom, I you

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Speaker 1: understand what.

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Speaker 3: I think. This story is so good because of the

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Speaker 3: fact that so many people are going through something like

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Speaker 3: this where they just cannot find themselves and they feel

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Speaker 3: lost or they feel like they were supposed to do

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Speaker 3: this and it didn't work out, and now what do

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Speaker 3: I do? And your story is amazing that you picked

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Speaker 3: it up and you were like, you know what, believe that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I'm gonna do this.

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Speaker 3: And this is what I'm saying, I.

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Speaker 2: Really do think, like most importantly in the world, it's

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Speaker 2: like you are in control of so little you are

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Speaker 2: in control of, Like if you get really quiet and go,

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Speaker 2: who am I? Like? What do I have that nobody

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Speaker 2: else has on the planet. If you run with that,

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Speaker 2: just minute by minute your golden and then you are

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Speaker 2: happier for it. You make other people happier for it,

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Speaker 2: and it's like a trickle effect.

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Speaker 4: I feel like one of the biggest pieces of you

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Speaker 4: finding yourself. And please correct me if I'm wrong. I

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Speaker 4: was looking at your social media and you said that

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Speaker 4: this song game Aerkana is a song that thirteen year

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Speaker 4: old you wishes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, had I wish I had, I think because when

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Speaker 2: you're a kid, it's like you just can't especially I

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Speaker 2: can just speak as a gay kid myself, even if

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Speaker 2: your family isn't going to have a problem with it.

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Speaker 2: You just it's like this inside job that you have

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Speaker 2: to work on that you have all of these you've

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Speaker 2: like let culture tether things to you, and you have

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Speaker 2: all of this fear to just have someone from Afar

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Speaker 2: to go like, oh now I look like that, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: I also do that I want to do that, and

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Speaker 2: then to hear it from someone to go like I

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Speaker 2: was that incredibly scared, insecure, like volatile, little gay kid

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Speaker 2: who was trying to find his way. I think that

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Speaker 2: is so crucial to just have all types of representation

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Speaker 2: where people in the world can look at that and

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Speaker 2: use it as some type of north star. So not

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Speaker 2: that I'm the north star, but symbolically, so you can look.

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Speaker 1: Back at yourself hating thirteen year old and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, let yourself off the hook.

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Speaker 2: This is a hug.

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Speaker 4: This is a hug for him, But could that also

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Speaker 4: be it for everybody? If you're looking for your purpose,

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Speaker 4: what would thirteen year old you be proud of me?

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Speaker 2: I think that's so true because the world hasn't like

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Speaker 2: gotten it's the hooks into you yet. If I could

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Speaker 2: talk to any teenager right now who's just like lost

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Speaker 2: in the sauce, whether it's mental health issues, whether it's gay,

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Speaker 2: whether it's addiction, like whatever you think is your issue

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Speaker 2: that people have a problem with, like hold on to that, like,

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Speaker 2: don't let anybody put that fire out. I let people

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Speaker 2: put that fire out. I let me put that fire out.

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Speaker 2: That's your special sauce. That's gonna be like your magnet

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Speaker 2: in the world. People are gonna be obsessed with you

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Speaker 2: because of the thing that you thought they hated you for.

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Speaker 2: You just have if you can just get through that

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Speaker 2: initial weird period.

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Speaker 4: I heard a quote the other day and it made

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Speaker 4: me so sad, but it was also beautiful and I

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Speaker 4: never thought of it this way, which is a closet

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Speaker 4: is really just an upright casket. Don't let yourself stay

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Speaker 4: in there.

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Speaker 2: Come on out? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: True?

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Speaker 1: Is it not him pulling out moros? It's an upright casket.

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Speaker 1: Where's your That's a very interesting way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: Say it again, Gandhi.

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Speaker 4: A closet is basically an upright casket, So come on out,

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Speaker 4: don't keep yourself in there.

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Speaker 1: We got to play it. Gay Americana released just in

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Speaker 1: time for Pride Month. You bet, and uh we're calling

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Speaker 1: it the gayest song of the summer, all right, it.

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Speaker 2: Is, trust me. Once you hear that chorus, it's like

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Speaker 2: sixty five times.

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Speaker 1: It could be tied for the gayest song of the

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Speaker 1: summer because we're still playing the Share Christmas song.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are, Oh my god, well, no, we should

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Speaker 2: really put that on the table, do you guys like

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Speaker 2: DJ play a Christmas song. Yeah, I play this June.

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Speaker 1: I play it every week.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to my closest friend, Sam Gongle, Samantha Gongle.

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Speaker 2: This we don't understand how this record has not swept

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Speaker 2: the world. This is like one of the best pop

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Speaker 2: songs I've ever heard of.

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Speaker 1: To the choir, ready, I still play it. I play

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Speaker 1: it once a week. It's when I play about it.

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Speaker 1: You should never stop playing that. It's like playing a

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Speaker 1: chestnuts roasted got, an open fire and hunt shake