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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. Okay, what's up, everybody,

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Speaker 1: It's the Jason McIntyre Straight Fire Tuesday eight Brook three

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Speaker 1: Big Monday. Shockingly, in sports, we had a massive retirement

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Speaker 1: from Julian Edelman of the New England Patriots and listen. Ordinarily,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was gobsmacked. I don't think I've used

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Speaker 1: text message from a buddy, Oh, Julian Edelman's retiring, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I jump on Twitter to see what's going on,

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Speaker 1: and oh he's in the Hall of Fame and whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: All right, before I take that apart, let me just

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Speaker 1: he's this Charles Robinson, longtime reporter Yahoo Sports. He is

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Speaker 1: the interview today. He is, you know, in a word, phenomenal. Um.

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Speaker 1: Guy's a great reporter. He's got a good Mac Jones story.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like what he's kind of agreeing

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Speaker 1: with me on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and being a

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Speaker 1: a little insane. But you got to hear him out

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Speaker 1: really good stuff on the draft process. I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna like it. Charles Robinson and remember subscribe rate review. Alright,

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Speaker 1: briefly on Julian Edelman. The first thing you do with

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Speaker 1: any player when they were tire and you hear Hall

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Speaker 1: one thousand yards isn't really what it used to be. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's see what did he lead the league in? Enough thing? Ever, folks,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a really talented player, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: He's a great story. Edelman is your quintessential NFL story,

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Speaker 1: the stuff dreams are made of. Right, college quarterback at

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, famously enamored with his skill set, decides we're

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Speaker 1: gonna draft Julian Edelman. This is what Edelman said when

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Speaker 1: was able to identify Edelman is a football player. So

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Speaker 1: he takes this college quarterback, says, I don't really know

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Speaker 1: this this guy can do a lot of things. He's

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Speaker 1: He went from in tw Edelman had one receptions. The

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Speaker 1: But he's no Hall of Famer. That's not a knock

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Speaker 1: he's a great football player, no doubt about it. Seventh

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Speaker 1: Undersized guy like almost a great story. You're tiring at

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Speaker 1: football season summed it up best. Compare Julian Edelman two,

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of Boston sports fans out there,

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Speaker 1: He's done a lot of cool things, but Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. All right, Without further ado, let's

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Speaker 1: get to today's guest, Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports. Fox

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Speaker 1: s R to listen live. Jason likes to think he

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Speaker 1: knows everything when it comes to sports. I know what

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Speaker 1: sports fans want, but for everything he doesn't. He knows

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Speaker 1: a guy who does. Let's just say I know a

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Speaker 1: guy who knows a guy he knows another guy. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's welcome into straight fire. A veteran in the sports

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Speaker 1: Of course, Charles Robinson in the house. Charles, how are

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Speaker 1: you man? Oh man? Thanks for having me. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: you're one of the few guys who's writing some interesting,

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Speaker 1: penetrating stuff on Deshaun Watson. Will get to that shortly. Um,

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Speaker 1: But obviously I've known you for a long time, dating

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Speaker 1: first of all, let's start with this. How difficult of

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Speaker 1: could see say a Trey Lance fitting in Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 1: You look at what he's been able to do with um,

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Speaker 1: Bryan Tannehill. I think, Um, I think Arthur Smith, the

427
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Speaker 1: kind of player that Tannehill was probably overlaps maps pretty

428
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Speaker 1: well with what you think Trade Lances skill set will be.

429
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: I still, you know, it's again the small school we were,

430
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: it's now we just sort of discount. Oh, you know,

431
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: Josh Allen came out of Wyoming and um once came

432
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: out of you know, North Dakota State, and so small

433
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: school is not a big No, it's it's every bit

434
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Speaker 1: as big a deal as it wasn't it was Steve McNair.

435
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: It's a it's a huge deal now and um the

436
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: skill set of Trade Lance is immense, But we still

437
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: don't know how that's really gonna with the learning curve

438
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: is going to be on the NFL level. I think

439
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: he'll need a year. Yeah, I think there's a question

440
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: while we're on that, UM, somebody but I felt, I

441
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a ring or put out

442
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: a list of the last fifteen years the best quarterbacks

443
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: taken in the top five, and the list was very underwhelming.

444
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: Uh As, I'm sure you know a lot of the

445
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the league and we're top five picks.

446
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: Mahomes obviously wasn't you know, Watson, Rust, Wilson, etcetera. UM,

447
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: I just how does that kind of consistently happen that

448
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that go in the top five don't end up

449
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: great and the guys who go later, whether it's a

450
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: chip on the shoulder or if you go later you're

451
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: drafted by a better team and a better organization. Any

452
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: theories on that one, Um, he really is a fascinating story.

453
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's remains one of those mistake positions.

454
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: And and we know, um that historically, when we look

455
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: back at at drafts, someone always blows. You know, if

456
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: there's three or four quarterbacks picked in the first round,

457
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: someone's going to screw up a quarterback pick and and

458
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a reason behind it, and then everybody

459
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: starts blaming each other. But I mean, like, okay, look at,

460
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: here's a good example. I mean, look at Dak Prescott.

461
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys did everything they could to not draft

462
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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Okay, they would have you know, Jared Cook. Well,

463
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: look at I mean, look at the first round. Jared

464
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: Goss on different teams. Carson Wentz is on a different team. Um,

465
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: the big kid from Memphis that Dallas tried to pinch

466
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: is not even in the league. Um, you know they

467
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Speaker 1: want to as you said, they want Connor Cook. The

468
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: Raiders traded up to get Connor Cooked ahead of them,

469
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: and and then Dak Prescott now is the mega quarterback

470
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: signing in terms of the contract extension. And I think

471
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: it just comes down to the quantifiable. It's no position.

472
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: When when I asked people in the NFL, why why

473
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Speaker 1: do these mistakes keep being made? And they're just like,

474
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Speaker 1: it's because the mental makeup is so difficult. You don't

475
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Speaker 1: know how a guy is going to adjust adversity. You

476
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: don't know how he's gonna adjust to the teammates in

477
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Speaker 1: the building. I'll give you a really good example. It's

478
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Speaker 1: about Paxton Lynch. Actually, I went into Denver a couple

479
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Speaker 1: of years ago, and it was when Paxton Lynch and

480
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: Trevor Siemian we're still trying to sort out who's going

481
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: to be the starter. And I had I had dinner

482
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Speaker 1: with a player, or I had a dinner with a

483
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Speaker 1: personnel guy, and I said, what's up? I said, give

484
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Speaker 1: me the give me the you know, rundown on what's

485
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: going on. He's like, it's Trevor, and I'm like, you

486
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: haven't even had your preseason games. You've already committed to

487
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Speaker 1: one guy starting one preseason game and the other guys

488
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Speaker 1: starting the second one. And he was like, we had

489
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Speaker 1: to do that because if we didn't by the time

490
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Speaker 1: we get to the first preseason game, Paxton was never

491
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Speaker 1: going to get the look. And John really wants him

492
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: to get the look. And I said, what tell me

493
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Speaker 1: why what's going on here? And he said, well, when

494
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: you watch him in practice, he said, you can just

495
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: see things like he's gravitating toward um, the eighty six

496
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: guy on on a ninety man roster. He's like, what

497
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: is he doing? You know, he's you know, the way

498
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: he's coming in the building, you know, um, the work habits, um,

499
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Speaker 1: the the teammates. He is trying to command all these

500
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: different things that you can't really quantify. Do you know

501
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: that Josh Allen is gonna go into Buffalo When we

502
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: all thought Josh Allen's cheez, that's a two year, three

503
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: year project. None of us knew that his rookie season,

504
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen was going to go in and be able

505
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: to get grown men with families and with like paychecks

506
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: and all these different things what he was gonna be

507
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Speaker 1: able to do on the field to cause veterans to go,

508
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll follow that guy. I'm gonna follow

509
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Speaker 1: this guy. And that quickly sped up some of the

510
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: learning curve because he didn't have a locker room against

511
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: him or questioning him. They were like, he screws up

512
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: and dumps some dumb things, but he does a lot

513
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: of crazy things to where he's risking himself to win

514
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: football games. Players will will follow things like that, So

515
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: someone's gonna bust out. I mean, that's the That's the

516
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: great thing about five five quarterbacks go in this first round.

517
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: A couple of them are gonna be just absolutely awful

518
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: picks and they might all end up being bad. You've

519
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: written some uh, probably more than anybody on Deshaun Watson,

520
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: which is a very difficult topic to write about. I've

521
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: been reluctant to weigh in through most of this just because, like,

522
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: this is not something you need to have an opinion on, Like,

523
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, the forty masseuses still can't get you know,

524
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: half of them are like this guy was creepy and

525
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: the other like it was fine. I don't know where

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00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: do we stand here Early May on Watson and his

527
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: his lawsuits in the league. It was something that I

528
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: think I've said all along, it's something that really needs

529
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Speaker 1: to be litigate. It does and needs to discover. It

530
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: needs people to be you know, to give testimony under oath.

531
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: It needs you know, it needs a legal process. The

532
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: issue that we have right now is before that legal

533
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: process can really start, we have two attorneys who are

534
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: very good attorneys, and a lot of people don't think

535
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: much of Tony Buzzby, you know, in the media, because

536
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: of you know, he's this Houston Attorneys. You know, his

537
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: twenty two clients, all these different things, and he's on Instagram,

538
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: he's doing. Tony Busby is a wealthy litigator, extremely wealthy litigator.

539
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 1: I don't think for him personally, He's not sitting there going, hey,

540
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: I get a lot of money out of this. No,

541
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: he's doing this because he's getting a lot of attention.

542
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: He likes combat. If you talk to people in Houston

543
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: about his reputation, they're like, this combat that he has

544
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: with Rusty Harden, who is Deshaun Watson's attorney, is what

545
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: he lives for. He loves to have combat, particularly public

546
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: combat with other attorneys. And then you have Rusty Harden,

547
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, Roger Clemens, Adrian Peterson, Um, Michael Bennett. He's

548
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: He's represented a ton of other athletes and is used

549
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: to responding public lead to things and having this joust thing.

550
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: So what a lot of what we're reading now? You know,

551
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: you can put whatever you want in a filing, you

552
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: can respond to that filing with whatever you want in

553
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: a in a press release. But ultimately it's going to

554
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: come down to Deshaun Watson and do these accusers whoever,

555
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: however many cases get refiled here um and they will

556
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: be publicly whoever refiles now it's going to be the

557
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: names are gonna be attached. How many of these accusers

558
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: want to go through the public scrutiny and then have

559
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: to sit under oath and and feel that convicted to

560
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. And then Deshaun Watson, do

561
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: you want to go through the discovery process? Do you

562
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: want all these other people brought in on discovery under

563
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: oath talking about you and what might have been said

564
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: and what's not public right now and going through your

565
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: phone forensically and all these different things. The legal process

566
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: is going to get under the nails right now. We're

567
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: just seeing the nail polish. That's all we're seeing. UM.

568
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I guess you know, it's impossible to guess what the

569
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: NFL is thinking other than the statement they put out.

570
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: But we can say that there have been some suspensions.

571
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott comes to mind. UM where civil suits even

572
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: though there was no criminal resulted in suspensions? UM. Would

573
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: you say that the Houston Texans are bracing for that, um,

574
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: given the Tyrod Taylor acquisition or did they already need

575
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback? I think they were already bracing for

576
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: Lifeul about to show them all. I mean they were

577
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: they were going to trade them like. It had gotten

578
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: to the point after the meeting with David Culley, then

579
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: new head coach, that they knew they were going to

580
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: trade him. It's just they wanted to get beyond the

581
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks of free agency, and then they

582
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: wanted to basically gather together three or four teams and say, look,

583
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: you're all interested, you're all bidding against each other. You

584
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: better just put your best offer on the table and

585
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: we'll go from there. Unfortunately, for the Texans, all these

586
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: allegations dropped and they felt blindsided by it. UM the

587
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: NFL right now, I think the biggest problem the NFL

588
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: has is, up until last week, no other corporations had

589
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: said to the world, Hey, we don't feel like we

590
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: want to be standing next to this guy anymore. So

591
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: Nike says, hey, we're suspending the deal. Like we may

592
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: not be cutting it, but it's something. And I spoke

593
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: to someone at Nike and he's like, look, there's no

594
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: guarantee this deal moves forward. Ever again, we may be done.

595
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: We're it's definitely suspended though, take away and see approach.

596
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: But you know when beats By dre owned by Apples, Nope,

597
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: done with this guy. You know, ah g B, huge

598
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: grocery store chain in Texas. UM says, hey, we didn't

599
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: renew after we don't even have a deal with this

600
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: guy Reliant Energy. No, we're not dealing. So once all

601
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: these corporations start to line up and say he the

602
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: standard of what's going on right now makes us uncomfortable

603
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: enough to step away, it leaves the NFL hanging out

604
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: there with remember the commissioners exemp list the bar there is.

605
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: Does Roger Goodell just reasonably think that a violation of

606
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: the Personal conduct calcie could have occurred? Could that's a

607
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's a that's that's it. That's the standard.

608
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: Feel it could have occurred. If you feel like it

609
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: could have occurred, you can set him aside with paid

610
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: leave while you start to sort out all these other

611
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: elements of the process. I would ask you, Jason, twenty

612
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: two civil suits initially. Now we'll see how what that

613
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: number is. When the refilings occur, you have a couple

614
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: of alleged victims coming out when making a public statement,

615
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: when having the statement read in publicly, you have the

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00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated anonymous report, which does weigh in, um I

617
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: think to the NFL's thinking. And you have the Houston

618
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: Police Department saying we are investigating at least one criminal

619
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: complaint that may actually be two. Um is that enough

620
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: for the NFL to go something could have happened here?

621
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the lawyer for Deshaun Watson

622
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: has not said, I mean these incidents happened. He never

623
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: met these women. He has not said that. He said, hey,

624
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: he was These were all legitim massagist and sometimes sex happened.

625
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: I guess my counter would be, so, you know, I

626
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: try to do sports out here in l A and

627
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: I work out, so I was able to find amsseuse

628
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: and I get a massage like every three weeks, and

629
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, I recommended to massust to friends. My wife

630
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: got a massusee there, massage there. My mom comes in town,

631
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: gets a massage there. I have one massage therapist. Okay,

632
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm not not an NFL quarterback. I can't fathom why

633
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: a guy of Watson's nature would want like forty different

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00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: massage therapist. That's why I can't get past that. I'm

635
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: not saying he did anything. I'm just saying, why would

636
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: you have forty women over like a two year spit, Like,

637
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: what's the point of what do you what? Something doesn't

638
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: add up there. Now, maybe Watson will get there and

639
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: answer it. But for me, like before I render anything,

640
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: I just need I need to ask that you know,

641
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of details here that I think

642
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: you would agree are not evidence, but are at least

643
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: worthy of question suspect story. I mean, there's there's right,

644
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: there's there's a an element of well, at some point

645
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: somebody has to answer something, and and there's been there's

646
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: been a little bit of that. You know, Rusty Harden

647
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: has his most recent press conference, and what I thought

648
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: was interesting was when he when he gets the point

649
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: where he says, hey, he gets two to three massages

650
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: a week. Um, it was COVID, but these were all

651
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: legitimate massages. But yeah, sometimes sex did happen, it was consensual.

652
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: And then I remember someone asking why was he telling

653
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: massuses what to wear? Like if these are letigit massage,

654
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: what does it matter? And Rusty Heart Yeah, and Rusty

655
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: harts that I'm not going to get into you know,

656
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: he's and I'm paraphrasing here. I don't want to get

657
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: into the individual this or that, and so I would

658
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: just say that, um, you know, you had one massus

659
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: and the one massus didn't accuse you of sexual misconnect Okay,

660
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: this is twenty two women, at least it was initially

661
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: some of them come out publicly. I would say that

662
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: a a an interesting inflection point here was when when

663
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: Ashley sole Lease, the first the first accuser came out

664
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: said publicly, um I am I am Jane Doe number one.

665
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: She has a she has an Instagram page, she has

666
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: a business page for her therapeutic massage business. And when

667
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: you look at this, I think the question was when

668
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: it was twenty two anonymous accusers, the inference in terms

669
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: of some of the defense of Deshaun Watson was that

670
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: these were like red lipstick listings, that these were like, hey,

671
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, maybe it's a massage therapist. You know,

672
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: is really not a massage therapist. Well, when she came out,

673
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: instantly everyone jumped onto these profiles started look at her,

674
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: and what you see is some of the legitimate business

675
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: with legitimate clients with there was a lot of legitimacy there.

676
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: So that raises the element of the question that once

677
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: again I think has to go through the litigation process

678
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: to sort out. Let me also ask one other thing,

679
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: so Watson, as best I could tell, spotless record in

680
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: nice school, spotless in college through the NFL. No, you're

681
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: never getting in trouble, not a speeding ticket that that

682
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: I'm aware of. And then he says he wants out

683
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: of Houston, and within what two months, you've got all

684
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: these people saying he's a creep. And again I don't

685
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: know what that means, but Charles, something about that timing,

686
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, your spiky senses maybe go up

687
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: a little, like, huh, this guy has never been a

688
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: foul of the law, and now he wants out of

689
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: town and he's got twenty civil suits against him. I will,

690
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: I think, I and I this is purely speculation on

691
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: my part, but I think it's just thinking me in time.

692
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: I really do. And then the reason why I say

693
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: that is because the borders of Texas do not contain allegations,

694
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, so it regardless. He could have been in Miami,

695
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: he could have been in New York, you know, he

696
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: could have been in Denver. Someone theorized to be that

697
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: he was trying to get out of town and beat

698
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: all this stuff that was bubbling up, so to speak.

699
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: But again, it was in multiple states, right right, I mean,

700
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: you know woman in Arizona too, in Georgia, went in California.

701
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't. And again there's no there's no

702
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: just because you leave town doesn't mean that this is resolved.

703
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I've looked. There's a deeper story

704
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: there about his you know, requesting you know, him him

705
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: wanting out of Houston. It has a lot to do

706
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: with that franchise. I think it has a lot to

707
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: do with other organizations that were clearly interested in him,

708
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: and I think his agent new other organizations were interested

709
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: in Deshaun Watson and felt like, you know, things are

710
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: falling apart in Houston, and it's all these other things

711
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: they don't like about the situation, and and this just

712
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: kind of gets dropped right in the nexus of a

713
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: lot of other things going on. So well, it doesn't

714
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: look good. I will agree with you. The timing. You're

715
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: sort of like Jeesus, that's that's striking timing. Um, it's

716
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: just kind of how this whole thing came out. It's

717
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot, you know. I get people who are like, well,

718
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: the text and set him up, and I'm like that

719
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: makes sense. Like I'm like the Texans once he became

720
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: a tradeable commodity, unless someone inside the organization went rogue

721
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: and somehow lined up this whole thing, and and it

722
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: would be the most Macavellian plot history. Um, you know,

723
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: why would you damage an asset that you have to offload?

724
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Like it makes no sense? And if he gets damaged

725
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: by this, uh suspension? And then is anybody gonna give

726
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: three or four first round pay for damaged goods? Like

727
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: you said? But anyways, what we've gone along, let's wrap

728
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: up with this. Um, the craziest offseason stat I've seen, Charles,

729
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: is that the Tampa Bay Bucks are returning all twenty

730
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: two of the starters offensive defense. I don't know if

731
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: that's ever been done where a Super Bowl champ has

732
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: brought back every single starter. But this is unfathomable. Tom Brady,

733
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: like we talked about the rookie quarterback, you build around

734
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: him young, uh quarterback rookie deal, And here's Tom Brady

735
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: forty seven or fifty years old, it feels like and

736
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: they're still building around him. I mean chances they repeat here.

737
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't what do you say about Brady at this point?

738
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I mean, you're probably right. I

739
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: didn't really think about it. But in the free agency era, obviously,

740
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: once free agency was established. I don't know that any

741
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams brought back every single person you know

742
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: from a winning team. Um, it is. It is remarkable

743
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: that everyone returned. And you know, I'm sure the depressed

744
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: free agency market. You know, Lavante David took a deal that, honestly,

745
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: in a non COVID year with no salary cap drawback,

746
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: would have been you know, it's not a it's not

747
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: a market wouldn't have been a normal market deal. Um.

748
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: You know there are other players that took what would

749
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: have been less than market deals. Um, having the franchise

750
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: tag available for Chris Godwin, who I think would have

751
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: been a bank breaker even in this offseason. So yeah,

752
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's definitely remarkable. And what I think is

753
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: even crazier is not only do they bring back twenty

754
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: two starters, but the rest of the NFC around them

755
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: is it has this feeling of like falling apart, like

756
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: so many problems. I don't want to pump up too

757
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: much on the on the bucks here, but you know

758
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: Greg Bdard, I think you know him as well, Boston

759
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: sports general. He was on my radio show and he's

760
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: like Jason, I'm not even blown smoke here. This is

761
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: a team that could go undefeated. They were at the

762
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: end of the season. You remember Brady got no offseason

763
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: with COVID, new team, new playbook, new city. They're peaking

764
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: at the end, and now they're bringing everybody back and

765
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is gone. Couldn't these guys run the table? That?

766
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Let me point out, I thought their playoff run was

767
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: a little bit good fortune. They faced you know, the

768
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: fifth stringer Taylor Heineke. Uh, the Saints AFLA, I think

769
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: four turnovers and then the Bucks had none, and then

770
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: the Packers who knows what the hell they were doing

771
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the half and in the game,

772
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: Um Chiefs without the left Chiefs was out the offensive

773
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: line in the Super Bowl. Where do you fall closer

774
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: to maybe the undefeated? Discussions or you know, or just

775
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Stop it. I will say, Look the NFC South,

776
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, Um Atlanta is in the midst of transition. Okay,

777
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: we have no idea if it's just gonna be Matt Ryan,

778
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: if it could be Matt Ryan in a rookie. Okay,

779
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: Um Carolina brings aboard Sam Donald. Clearly they're in the

780
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: midst of trying to do a little bit of rebuild there,

781
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: and and you know you're bringing in your onboarding a

782
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: quarterback wasn't even in your program, as you said. The Saints,

783
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: it's you know, Jamis or Tastom. They're still trying to fit.

784
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: And then they play the NFC East, which the Giants

785
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: and the Giants and some mess. You know they're getting

786
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: They're Giants getting better, there's no question about that. But

787
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: let's see it two years in a row before we

788
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: start yeah, before well before we start stamping Joe Judges,

789
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: he's got it and it's turning it around all this.

790
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: You know, Washington. I like what Ron Rivera did there,

791
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: But again you're talking about a team that is still

792
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: trying to gather itself. I mean, you know, is it

793
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: is you know five team in Washington I think would

794
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: still be pretty good given the circumstances um and then

795
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: you know the Eagles all kinds of a mess they

796
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: are with Jalen Hurts and the situation with what they

797
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: had to do cap wise. So it's a it's a

798
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: good year to be sitting in the NFC South and

799
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: then play the NFC East and then have teams that

800
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: are supposed to be the um, the bullies on the block.

801
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: San Francisco should be the bullies on the block. Okay,

802
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: but they're probably gonna have a rookie quarterback, right, and

803
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: then Seattle bully on the block. But Russell Wilson, it's

804
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: all whole off season. We're just talking about what's going on.

805
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: Even the Rams. The Rams lose a safety, a corner,

806
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. They have an quarterback coming in, so

807
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and the Packers not the fort Ninners. The

808
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: Bucks beat of twice last year. I think right crushed

809
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: him in the regular season and then the playoff games.

810
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't even know who the second best

811
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: team is. Well, and the Packers, you know, it's not

812
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: like they've had this um flourish in the off season

813
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: where you know they've let me put it to this way,

814
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: It's not like the Packers looked at Aaron Rodgers. They

815
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: have the opportunity restructures deal and put guaranteed money in

816
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: the next two years and then do the Brady Bill. Okay,

817
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: we restructured your deal. Now let's take some of this

818
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: money and let's go out into free agency and grabs

819
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: pick and choose some guys and just tell everybody, Hey,

820
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: all in on the super Bowl in green Bay. They

821
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: didn't do that. Instead, the bigger storyline has been Aaron

822
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: his contract to build around in the comments he makes

823
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: and Jeopardy, Jeopardy you know so that but yeah, I

824
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: mean it seems off there. Yeah, NFC is a joke. Wow,

825
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Oh, I don't look. The thing. The

826
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: thing that's off in Green Bay is the Aaron Rodgers,

827
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: Brian Goodacounts the general manager and not they're not Oh

828
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: they're not good, Like they're just not he doesn't bad

829
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: or they just like not good. No, I think they're

830
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: I think they're bad. I do. I think Aaron Rodgers

831
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: looks at Brian Goodacuns says, this guy is not showing

832
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: me he drafted Jordan's love. Um, I don't think he believes.

833
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers behind seeses not believe Brian goudacuts

834
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: believes in him and does not believe in him as

835
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: any And he just won the m v P and

836
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: he's sitting there and he's going, I should have a

837
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: general manager who's going, hey, my guy just won the

838
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: m v P and we got at least a couple

839
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: of good years left here. Let's crank this out and

840
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: really build around this guy. And instead, I think he

841
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: feels like Brian Kuda Counts is looking at Jordan's love

842
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: in the future rather than saying the future already have

843
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: in twelve and let's do what we can with twelve

844
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Speaker 1: while we have twelve. Wow, spicy, all right? Charles Robinson?

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Speaker 1: Yeah who sports? Follow his stuff? He's great obviously, Um, Charles,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot for taking the time man, and continued success. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'll come out any time.