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Speaker 1: List. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt the off season is now here. That

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Speaker 2: means it's the time of the year. It's the time

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Speaker 2: of the year for lists, and I thought we'd come

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Speaker 2: up with a little list here today on our on

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Speaker 2: our show of the Top, We're gonna go ten. Do

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Speaker 2: we go fifteen Steelers? In terms of importance?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let me get my little scratch sheet here

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Speaker 1: and I'll throw that one here as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's say fifteen. I mean it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a twenty two years. Yeah, So please define further if

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Speaker 2: you would. I mean, I said, in terms of most importance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So developments important, you know, they their fate for

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Speaker 1: the season. Okay, yeah, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Let's okay, we want to start at the bottom, or

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Speaker 2: we want.

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Speaker 1: To start at the top. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: start at the top because I think it's too hard

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Speaker 1: to start ranking.

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Speaker 2: Good point by you, all right, So we'll go top

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Speaker 2: to bottom here. It's a little backwards from what we

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Speaker 2: usually do. But Ny, it's our list. We can do

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Speaker 2: what we want to do.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, right, So who who.

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Speaker 2: In your eyes is number one?

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Speaker 1: This is tough.

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Speaker 2: See, I don't know that it's easily picket.

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Speaker 1: And here's why, Okay, I have a feeling where you're

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Speaker 1: gonna go with this. All right? Seven games without t J.

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Speaker 2: Watt last year, right, and it was a struggle when

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Speaker 2: they didn't have TJ. Watt, And it's been a struggle

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Speaker 2: when they've not had t J Watt Like you could

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Speaker 2: do if something happened to Kenny Pickett, you still have

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Speaker 2: Mitched Trubisky there.

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Speaker 1: That's where I figured you were going with it. Was

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Speaker 1: maybe just maybe the drop off the picket to Trubisky

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Speaker 1: isn't massive, right, you know? So okay, in this instance,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is a quarterback. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: if Pickett develops a great deal, it's huge. You could

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Speaker 1: be looking from a mediocre team to a contender contender.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, oh absolutely, But I think again, if if

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Speaker 2: something happens to t J. Watt for a long term

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Speaker 2: like it did last year, even if Pickett does take

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Speaker 2: that step, I don't know if it's going to be

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it matters as much. It obviously

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Speaker 2: matters in the long term, but it's matter as much

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Speaker 2: in the short term.

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Speaker 1: So I like that because there's a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: evidence to put what at one, you know, the other stuff,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all this is speculation, but what at seven

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Speaker 1: points a game?

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, one hundred years of defense, like

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, right, So that's fine, Okay, what is one? Okay?

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Speaker 2: I think I think we can both agree that Kenny

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Speaker 2: Pickett is too. Yeah, he's your quarterback and in most years,

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Speaker 2: you know, Ben Roethlisberger would have been number one on

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Speaker 2: that list in a lot of those years, of course.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of Kansas City. And I mean, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: most quarterbacks are going to be one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to be outside the top three.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Yeah. Okay, so that's top two.

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Speaker 2: Now what you got?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a lot of directions you

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Speaker 1: for it. But I'm going to go, Minka three.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to fight you on that one, just

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Speaker 2: because leader the secondary playmaker elite player. What happens if

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Speaker 2: he's gone. I don't want to see that somebody that

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Speaker 2: the opposing teams have to account for on every play. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: much the same way they do with TJ. Watt, Mike.

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Speaker 2: It is that kind of player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly makes those around him better, let alone the

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Speaker 1: He was going to be my vote as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not even just for what he does on

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Speaker 1: And I get it, Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: If he's hurt for an extended period time, he's still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like the d line room better now

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Speaker 1: than I did a year ago. I mean, if he

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Speaker 1: I mean, but he has great importance and he can

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Speaker 1: line I mean, if your nose is not doing well,

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Speaker 2: Now's where it gets really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know those three defensive guys, you three stars,

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Speaker 1: three guys on defense are in there all day long.

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Speaker 1: And your quarterback. Right, but now, who's next? I look

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of different ways you can go with it.

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Speaker 1: That's how your what your angle is a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of pass catchers here that you would like to

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Speaker 2: already done. There's another pass catcher who you'd like to

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Speaker 2: But I think, and I know they have a good

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Speaker 2: I wrote about him today in five for Friday. There

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Speaker 2: are people out there who think he has been a

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Speaker 2: disappointment in his first two seasons. Sure, he's got twenty

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Speaker 2: or has scored twenty touchdowns in his two seasons, Right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're getting thirteen hundred yards a year and

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Speaker 1: There's two things I was gonna mention too along those lines,

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Speaker 1: is you can't tell me he was not physically compromised

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Speaker 1: to start last season, right, I mean, the way he

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Speaker 1: understand that point of view. But it'd be a lot

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Speaker 1: maybe we will begin to see that. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's the argument that you hear across

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Speaker 2: the league, right. The problem with it with the argument

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Speaker 2: why did why then did the forty nine ers who

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Speaker 2: Then why did they trade for Christian McCaffrey? Because running

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Speaker 2: football three hundred times a season is very important in

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Speaker 2: your offense. That's that's my argument with.

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Speaker 1: That, especially the way that this team is what they

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Speaker 1: want to do. Yeah right, I mean, if Pickett takes

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You can sit there and shotgun and four wide and

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Speaker 1: dice teams up, you know what I mean? Man, see

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Speaker 1: a couple of angles I'm looking at though, And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure these are names kicking around in your cranium as well.

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Speaker 1: What if George Pickens takes a big step up?

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I mean, you know, like what if

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Speaker 2: Pat Fryermuth becomes the top four or five tight end

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Speaker 2: has another one hundred catch, thousand yard season.

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Speaker 1: See, but I would put Pickens over those two because

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Speaker 1: I have more of a level of familiarity or a

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Speaker 1: baseline like I can't imagine Deonta or Mouth not being

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Where Pickens is, there's more variance in

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Speaker 1: if you hit the ceiling, whoa, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a season changing change in player. I think Roger

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Speaker 2: I also think Alex Highsmith gets some consideration there because

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Speaker 2: this year and TJ Want plays the TJ Want level,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's some odd ones. I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna have to rank these. What if

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Speaker 1: Hulcombe isn't good, right, I mean, just because the position

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's going to be somewhere on our list.

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Speaker 1: he did not have a great year. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's going to lose it, but they're not going to

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Speaker 1: beat people by ten. If he starts missing field goals,

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Speaker 1: He's going to have a really long leash as he deserves,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they led the league. What he missed

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Speaker 1: Of room for air with points. You know, three points here,

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Speaker 1: three points there that could have gone through. Right. Here's

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Speaker 1: another name. What if Patrick Peterson's washed or just can't

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Speaker 1: do it, you know, like, not every free agent signing works.

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Speaker 1: You know this this is the season of eternal optimism.

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Speaker 1: He sure looks fine to me, but they're not all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the same token, what if Joey Porter

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Speaker 1: The last decade, right right. I mean knowing that That's

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Speaker 2: Put a knife in your heart, I think it is, Boss. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you need a reasonable cap hit is right. You're paying

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Speaker 2: And he answers the bell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll concede

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and game changing plays. Yeah, you know, like, boy,

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Speaker 2: Now I hear you, who's eight ton Hi Smith at eight?

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Speaker 1: Right, And I'm almost looking at this more from a

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Speaker 2: There's the other guy that we haven't talked about here

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Speaker 1: Okay, how about Kean Hubenton.

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Speaker 2: have to squint too hard to see two rookies starting

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Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about a little because Porter was

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Speaker 2: And yeah, but he've kind of been kind of forgotten

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Speaker 1: I have high hopes for this guy. See that's Where'm

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Speaker 1: it like Caminogan, Jobi are my starters. Leal and Benton

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Speaker 1: don't need them to show up and be a star. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to talk about him because we haven't.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying we put him at nine,

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Speaker 2: got more publicity. You know, Benton might end up being

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Speaker 1: Chukes would have been high, Daniel would have been high,

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Speaker 2: But if we are going to talk offensive line, and

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Speaker 2: as clear right whereas you know. Okay, so if James

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Speaker 2: If Mason Cole gets hurt, you're either taking one of

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Speaker 1: But I also think that's the beauty of Salamalu. As

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Speaker 1: Front, and that's their second No one talks about the

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Speaker 2: That's a level of comfort for your young quarterback, you

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Speaker 1: Knowing that I know and all that stuff too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Seeing the same stuff. We've done it for sixteen games before,

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Speaker 2: I don't know where we slot him in at though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they need him to they need him to be

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Speaker 1: He can't be bad or missed the years. I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he is coming off an injury, right, He

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Speaker 2: I think I think he is because I think they

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Speaker 2: And it's more of the position than it is the player,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I love all the options inside right now unless Patrick

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Speaker 2: Peterson shows he can do that as well. But he's

437
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Speaker 2: never done it before in his career on a consistent basis,

438
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Speaker 2: like lined up and played inside. So right now it's

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Speaker 2: Chandon Sullivan is Duke Dawson and or you're asking Kaz

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Speaker 2: to do it or something something like that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the trickle down effect is great.

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Speaker 1: Should Harvin be on this list? I just think if

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Speaker 1: he thinks you'll find someone better, and yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he should because I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with the people that say he was

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Speaker 2: bad last year, right right right? I mean there are

447
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Speaker 2: many factors involved.

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Speaker 1: There, much different than Boswell. Yeah, okay, so he's not

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Speaker 1: in consideration for me. We got nine is Sullivan, ten

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Speaker 1: is Coal? Ten.

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Speaker 2: I lean towards Coal in terms of importance. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: be out there every snap. He's out there. You like

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Speaker 2: him to be out there every snap. I mean I

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Speaker 2: talked to Kendrick Greeney yesterday about this, and he's talking

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Speaker 2: about how much he's learning from Mason Cole. You know,

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Speaker 2: I just that's the kind of guy he is. He's

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Speaker 2: your center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your center. Yeah, okay, he's ten. Sullivan eleven.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Sullivan. I mean we're wighing, we're turning this,

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Speaker 2: we're morphing this into important slash good player or not.

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Speaker 2: You know, how are we looking about at this?

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Speaker 1: Some of this is potential Land minds. We're trying not

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Speaker 1: to explode things that could derail a season to some degree.

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Speaker 1: Not that Sullivan is the most important guy in the world,

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Speaker 1: but you need him to you know, you need him

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Speaker 1: to be a player.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna he's gonna defend Tyler Boyd. I mean like

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Speaker 2: he's got things to do. I kind of like your

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Speaker 2: your Joey Porter picked there as well. In terms of

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Speaker 2: the importance of this, Like if he could, if he hits,

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Speaker 2: I think that the trickle down effect I think is great.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Let's Proporter in. Okay, so we agree he's

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Speaker 1: the most important rookie. Yeah, I think so Island a

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Speaker 1: lot you know, right right? If he's bad, ooh, he

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Speaker 1: shows up, he shows up quick. Yeah, he shows up quick.

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Speaker 1: Sullivan at twelve.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I have no problem with it, and I

478
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Speaker 2: think a lot of people will be surprised to see

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Speaker 2: him that high on a list like this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many snaps is a nickel corner playing

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Speaker 1: a game? Though?

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Speaker 2: Seventy percent of them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? Right? If more shut down? Dude, I mean,

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Speaker 1: his job's easier than porter on an island against you know, Chase.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's easier because he could do

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Speaker 2: more tackling, but yeah, I understand what you're saying with her.

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Speaker 1: Twelve or you want to throw some other ones in here.

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Speaker 1: He's at twelve.

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Speaker 2: I think then you're looking at thirteen. At fifteen is

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Speaker 2: at the gold here, we're going to fifteen. Yeah, some

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Speaker 2: of the other guys that we've talked about, I mean,

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Speaker 2: do you slide Broderick Jones in here?

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Speaker 1: Do you put it?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Benton? I think Leal was also in that category.

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Speaker 2: Certainly.

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Speaker 1: The more I think and watch Leal, the more I'm

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Speaker 1: expecting a step forward and having five sacks double the

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Speaker 1: snaff count, concentrate on one position, and if I'm right,

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Speaker 1: that's impactful. Right.

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Speaker 2: I also think you you know, if you get that

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Speaker 2: out of Larry Ogan Jobi this year, you know he

503
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Speaker 2: had one and a half sacks last year and he

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Speaker 2: played You know that he played in a season where

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Speaker 2: you know, he didn't practice on a Wednesday for most

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Speaker 2: of the season. Last year, he didn't practice on he

507
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Speaker 2: didn't practice on Thursdays a lot of the season. He

508
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Speaker 2: was right, So you know that's their hope that he,

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Speaker 2: you know, having the health this year will make him

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Speaker 2: a much more important Again. You could if what Hayward

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Speaker 2: high Smith and Ogin Jobi are all good, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: be a great defense.

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Speaker 1: You are, and he's gonna be the one getting the

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Speaker 1: most snaps to start. I think Ogunjobi's next, Okay, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know how the league works, so no

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Speaker 1: one like should think about the bad things of the league.

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Speaker 1: You could look at Ogunjobi's career and be like, those

518
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Speaker 1: first four or five years are pretty good and then

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Speaker 1: he kind of hit a cliff and injuries around him

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Speaker 1: and that would.

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Speaker 2: Really hurt this team, right right. He is thirteen, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so we're at fourteen now.

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Speaker 1: The first round picks important.

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Speaker 2: I think Broderick Jones is you know that he shows

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Speaker 2: the potential to be a guy. I don't care if

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Speaker 2: he starts show me show me some potential there, because

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Speaker 2: if Dan Moore holds him off, that means Dan Moore

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Speaker 2: at a good camp in a good preseason, right.

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Speaker 1: But I could also picture the world and this is

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Speaker 1: the half full version where a sharky's every night going.

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Speaker 1: Did you see what Jones did today? Like Pickens conversations

532
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: like this guy's taking over camp. Oh my gosh, you know,

533
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: like he's just beating the crap out everybody. DJ Wat's

534
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: having a hard time with them, you know, like right,

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Speaker 1: that happens. So, yeah, he's.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's part time. Yep, he's fourteen and then fifteen

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Speaker 2: fifteen is Patrick Peterson? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean his

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Speaker 2: age is a worry, it is. It's definitely a concern.

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00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: He's not a slam dunk, and I think you know,

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Speaker 2: they have plans to do a lot of different stuff

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Speaker 2: with him, and if it doesn't work out, you didn't

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Speaker 2: replace camp something, then.

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Speaker 1: Right, you're looking for another corner. Even if Porter hits.

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Speaker 2: Right, maybe that's Trice maybe you know who knows?

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Speaker 1: Maybe right right now, that's a good list. I like it.

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Speaker 2: So we came up with in terms of most importance

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00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: to the team, TJ. Watt, Kenny Pickett, make it, Fitzpatrick,

548
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: cam Hayward, Chris Boswell, no Gie Harris, George Pickens, Alex Highsmith,

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Speaker 2: Cole Holcom, Mason Cole, Joey Porter, Chandon Sullivan, Larry Ogan, Joby,

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Speaker 2: Broderick Jones, and Patrick Peterson. And again, this was not

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Speaker 2: a list of who are the Steelers who are the

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Speaker 2: best players on the roster. This is in terms of

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Speaker 2: what they do, who's backing them up, their importance to

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Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 1: That's who we came up with. Yeah, their level of variance.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's why Deontay and Mouth didn't make the list,

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Speaker 1: is right, they're good and I think they'll stay good.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Joy neither of the guards made the list,

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Speaker 2: you know that's Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Last name we didn't bring up Alan Robinson. There's a

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Speaker 1: he could look like an old slow man and man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you should be make a team or

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Speaker 1: after two really straight years of his career, he might

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Speaker 1: be a power slot. That's really useful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would go a long way towards helping Kny Pickett. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: good stuff. Yeah, that's our list of the top fifteen

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Speaker 2: most important Steelers going into twenty twenty three. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: take a break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly.

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