WEBVTT - Episode 99: Driver Fitting 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.320 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:03.840 much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.920 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:06.480 kind of want. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.440 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.600 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.920 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.440 I'm Shane Bak and joined by Marty Jerts and Marty 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.880 just you and I. Today we're gonna talk a little driver. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.720 Fitting Driver fitting the most important club in the bag 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.840 and has the biggest impact on your game and quite frankly, Shane, 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.160 just fun to hit and fun to fit. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.920 You know, you said most important club in the bag, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.200 And I go back to that, you know, famous phrase 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.800 about golf. You know you drive for show and putt 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.760 for doe. Even when I was a kid, I remember 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.360 thinking to myself, sure, you got to make the putts 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.479 to score, but if you hit it off the planet 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.640 or you don't get it in play, it's tough to 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.479 be putting for anything that matters. I do feel like 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.040 these days the driver feels like the most important and 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:54.880 impactful club, not just. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.240 For the pros, but for everybody that plays. Yeah. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.640 Absolutely I'm at the modern day analytics, you know, strokes 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.320 gained and thanks to Mark Brody and his work, it's 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.960 I think the modern day version of that is drive 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.840 for dough put to win, which is if your putter 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.679 gets hot, you win. And I think the way golfers 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.000 should think about the driver, Chaane, is the foundation of 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.440 your game, right, It's like you're building a house. You 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.160 need to have a solid foundation. Driving is the foundation 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:21.800 of your golf game. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:23.920 Is that why you have two in the bag? Is 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.560 that why you play two? Is that thing? 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.240 Yes? I need to really really reassure the foundation here. Yes, 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.600 but we'll get into that. We'll get into having a 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.440 couple of drivers in the bag if it is a 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.720 very important club or you know how your performance off 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.600 the tee sets you up for everything. So there is 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.240 a little niche out there for having two drivers in 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:44.600 the bag. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.640 And Marty, just take us through if you can, before 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.920 we really get into the fitting process of the drivers. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.840 Can you take us through the four forty lineup currently 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.400 and what's kind of available in terms of the different 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.920 drivers and the different models for players out there. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.560 Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I think just to give a 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:05.240 little history there when we launched G thirty driver was 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.120 the first one with the turbulator. Was really fun. We 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:07.880 came up with this car. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.079 When was that, Marty, What year was that? 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.399 That was what around two thousand and fifteen ish, okay, right, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.800 and so we came up with this bit before that, Shane, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.040 we had I drivers and G drivers, right, and it 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:24.680 was kind of like eyes maybe less forgiving for lower spin. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.919 We had tighter bulgin roll, and we had I and 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.919 G and then we realized, hey, everyone needs high MOI. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.720 And in fact, we talked about this with Ryan Stokey 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.040 on the on the podcast when we talked about the 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.680 four to forty drivers, is high AMI actually if anything 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.600 benefits the better player, faster swing, speed player a little 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.160 bit more. So we were like, let's just have them 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.440 all very forgiving and let's just make different spin characteristics. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.600 So that's when we came up with this naming convention, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.119 which is LST Low Spin Technology. And then we came 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.000 up with, hey, instead of having our K fifteen type product, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.600 let's just build that right into the family. Let's call 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.280 that straight Flight Technology or SFT, and then let's have 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.400 a maximum forgiveness version. And then sure enough we start 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.840 working on really really high MI product, and so that 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.680 was the genesis of the ten K, which is breaking 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.720 the ten thousand inertia berry for the first time. Now 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.240 we've kind of morphed that just into the K name. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.720 So we have our most complete driver family ever right 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.360 now with the four forty. The K that just launched 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.919 earlier this year very high forgiveness, now has a CG 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.880 shifter into it. The MAX, also very high MI, spins 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.000 a little bit more than the K, launches a little 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.160 bit higher than the K. Then we have the LST 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.760 that's our low spin technology, most used driver on the 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:51.160 PGA Tour. A little smaller head shape, a little more aerodynamic, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.840 lowers the spin rate. Then we have our SFT straight 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.000 flight technology that's great for your everyday golfer that's kind 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.040 of struggling with leaving the face a little bit open 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.200 and right handed golfer missed the ball to the right. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.800 Do you feel like right now on tour? I want 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.800 to ask you, both tour and kind of every day golfer. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.440 Is there a model you feel like, percentage wise, is 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.480 most used by tour guys and maybe most used or 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.280 most picked or after going through a fitting by an 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.159 everyday player that comes in to get fitted ping. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.359 Yeah, for sure. On the PGA Tour, our ratio of 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.479 LST's in play is very high, so it's somewhere in 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.920 the neighborhood of like eighty percent, So about eighty percent 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.760 roughly of our four forty drivers and in previous family 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.880 drivers is the LST version. I think that's because those 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.760 players are very high speed. They like the head shape 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.800 of it that it gives them the right launch and 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.279 spin characteristics. Now with the CG shifter and shafton hozzle 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.599 sleeves settings, we can get everything else really dialed in 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:55.039 for the everyday golfer. Certainly there's players that maybe don't 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.320 have the club at speed of a tour player that 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.479 maybe hit down on it, leave the face lill open 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.839 and j rate a lot of spin. So don't rule 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.520 out the LST for you, the everyday player. We don't 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.840 want to pigeonhole the LST for fast wing speeds or 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.080 certain skill level because it's still very forgiving and there 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.520 is a fitting spot there. Even our our executive chairman, 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.760 John Solheim, he's always kind of this player that spins 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.520 it a lot, so we quite often will fit him 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.120 into the LST put the CGS shifter in the in 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.280 the in the draw position, lighten the swing way a 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.800 little bit, make it more like an SFT build, and 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.280 it hits the sweet spot for him. So don't don't 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.200 rule it out. But that being said, chained the everyday golfer. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.479 We fit a lot of them into K drivers and 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.800 max drivers and SFT. So it's kind of the beauty 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.920 of our strategy of having all these models under under 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:45.680 one family name. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:47.560 Is is that going to continue? 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.479 I mean it seems like you mentioned, you know, the 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.719 years ago there being kind of a split option in 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.360 terms of driver heads, kind of very different if you 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.719 will driver heads. It feels like not just paying but 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.840 a lot of OEMs have said here's the driver where 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.960 pushing now, and we're gonna obviously have different deviations. Do 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.200 you feel like that it's where we're going in terms 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.839 of driver you know, after four to forty the next iteration, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.080 we'll just have different specifics in terms of the models there, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.279 but still all kind of land under the same number. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.440 Yes, yes, And I think that makes it easy for 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.440 consumers to say, hey, tour players playing the four forty, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.360 I'm gonna go check that out right, So that's kind 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.560 of one of the benefits that we get from that. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.000 And then it really is it makes it all about 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.479 the fitting, right, So all of our drivers are built 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.760 off the same core technologies, whether it's free hazzle design, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.160 carbon fly wrap, the kind of spinsistency face design. So 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.640 we have all these core technologies that permeate between them, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.400 and then the models allow us to do this, you know, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.000 breaking down by model variation allows us have different launched 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.640 spin characteristics, different inertias. For the LST, it's kind of 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.680 optimizing the shape and acoustic profile, maybe specifically more for 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.440 the tour player. And now I love the SFT because 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.080 that's the go to for you're kind of for your 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.720 slicer out there that's like, hey, give me something that's 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:04.359 going to straighten the. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.400 Ball out, please. I want to I want to hit 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.840 more fairways. I wanted to kind of run through. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.800 We've talked a lot about fitting on this podcast, and 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.960 I think fitting continues to be one of the most 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.480 important things for golfers to get done, and also one 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.080 of the most important things that PING has done throughout 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.240 its history, right is fitting players for the right golf clubs. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.800 What if somebody wants to get fit. What do you 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.280 tell them they need to do before they get to 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.280 the fitting. What is something that golfers that are looking 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.800 for a new ping driver or a new ping would 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.320 need to do before they arrive at their fitting that day. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.080 Yeah, that's a great question, Shan, I love this question. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:42.480 I mean, if if you're into tracking stats, that's a 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.200 great way to go. I mean, if you if you 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.880 use any stats tracking app, whether it's Arcos or there's 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:49.640 a lot of different apps out there that can track 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.640 your encourse stats, that's a great one to do. So 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.080 spend some time reflecting on that. If you're not into 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.440 tracking your stats, that's fine as well. Spend a little 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.880 bit of time thinking about your tendencies and your traits 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.760 on the golf course, right, and a lot of times 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.320 you go out, you play, you miss some left, you 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.880 miss some rights. Kind of you just dismiss it, but 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.880 maybe just spend a little time reflecting on that, that 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.520 would be super valuable. And then kind of you know, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.240 where do you play most of your golf? I mean, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.600 if you play most of your golf at one course, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.840 a member at a course, or a member of a 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.520 men's league or or ladies league, what have you you're 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.320 going to play most your golf on that one golf course. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.200 That's a big deal in fitting to know whether or 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.840 not you're going to need to your your club's going 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.000 to need to travel or not, right, So it's kind 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.400 of helping out with that optimization as well. So I 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.520 would say, just spend a little bit of time reflecting 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.280 on the past few months or what have you with 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.800 your current gamer driver, what are your stats and what 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.560 type of golf course conditions do you play? And that's 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.400 that's a great one. And then and then if you 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.520 do have stats, bring it in to your fitter and 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.199 show it to your fitter. And we love doing that 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.000 with our fittings at the proving grounds in our ping fitters. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.559 I think one thing Arcos has told me, and I 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.480 feel like I hear this so often from people that 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.719 really dive into Arcos is you don't really know what 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.520 you do right or wrong. You think you do, but 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.280 Arcos can tell you different things. And I think that's 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.800 so helpful. Is we spend so much time playing golf 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.600 and cared about our golf games and working on our 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.679 golf games, Yet do you really know what you do 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:12.280 right or wrong? 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:12.640 Right? 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.880 And I think that's something that op that has opened 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.360 up from the availability of arcos in with you know, 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.920 their new air technology where it's a little bit easier 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.040 for players to kind of throw it in your pocket, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.880 go out and play. Is understanding I'm not a great driver. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.679 I am a great driver, I'm not a great iron player. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.120 Like all of those things, the data doesn't lie, right, 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.600 and it'll tell you exactly what you need to know 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.520 as you go in to look at something new. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.320 Yeah, totally, Shane. I'm reinvigorated to track my stats lately. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.120 I've been tracking them my last few tournaments, and I 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.640 kind of was thought my iron game, my approach play 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.280 was in pretty good shape. Well it turns out I'm 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.080 actually doing really good. I'm like gaining a couple shots 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.360 around in my you know, one and a half two 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.520 shots around in my iron play. So my approach play 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.280 has been great, but my putting's been stinking lately, and 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.640 sure enough, I'm losing like one and a half to 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.560 three strokes game. So there's definitely a lot of value 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.240 there in that the numbers don't lie, they can really 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.800 inform that. So that's a great little piece of homework. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.679 And yeah, I uh, second that the air technology is 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.320 kind of a game changer for Marcos to be able 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:13.640 to make that easier than ever. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.080 All Right, So as we dive into kind of the driver, 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.800 the specific driver with G four forty, you mentioned trajectory 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.840 tuning sleeve. This has been a technology that has been 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.160 extremely helpful for fitting. I mean back in the day 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.880 it was heads with different shafts in it. Now obviously 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.400 you can pull them out, move them around, change them up, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:31.920 and you can also do that at home. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:33.440 So can you walk us through the. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.880 Tuning sleeve and the importance of what's available for the 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:37.880 players out there with that. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.960 Yeah, the trajectory tuning sleeve is our is our basically 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.760 our our Hauzel design that allows you to adjust your driver, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.480 swap in different shafts. It allows you to try different shafts, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.240 different lengths in the fitting environment but also with your 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.600 fitter or I love this, Shane, is that what I 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.319 love about the trajectory tuning sleeve. It's a great tool 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.199 in the fitting environment. It's basically passes a lot longjustable 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.320 UH shafts lengths and we could try different loss but 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.960 it also you can use it after you get your 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.400 driver and get fit for your driver to kind of 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.640 dial things in because as we all know, uh, maybe 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.080 you go into your fitting process swings a little different 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.480 day to day. Your tea heights a little bit different, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.360 maybe the turf's a little different different, maybe it's a 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.680 little bit windy. You can tweak your driver post purchase, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.720 so it's a little bit of tweaking, right. It's like 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.120 it's like you get your mountain bike and you want 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:33.920 to tweak your seat height just a little bit because 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.880 the day you got fit, maybe your pasture was a 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.120 little bit off. You're a little bit stiff, things of 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.359 that nature. So it unlocks that capability. So our trajectory 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.120 tuning sleeve, it's basically before we had it, Shane, we 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.640 used to build drivers for tour players where we would 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.960 shim the shaft in, you know, we put it in 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.680 at a tiny little angle, and that allowed us to 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:57.480 get either little changes in loft or lying goal that 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:02.000 were between our core loft models on the driver. So 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.160 between a nine and ten point five, we could build 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.559 a driver at nine point seventy five or ten, or 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.160 we could take the ten point five, put a little 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.360 less loft on it and then it kind of opened 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.520 the face angle a little bit right. So our sleeve 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.560 has one and a half degrees of tilt in it, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.280 and depending on where you install it, you're kind of 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.319 spinning that one and a half degrees around the clock, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.720 so to speak, and you can make the driver up 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.880 to three degrees flatter. That's a great one and that's 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.960 something that I think a lot of consumers might not 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.800 know about our trajectory Tuning sleeve is that we have 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.559 these flat positions that can be used to change your 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.920 impact location bias a little bit, which is a nice 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.760 little lever on your left right bias. So one of 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.400 the big pieces in the fitting process, Shane, is dialing 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.200 the impact location. Our trajectory tuning sleeve allows you to 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:51.560 do that. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.920 If you change loft, does the face angle head changed 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.560 you do? You have to be mindful of that as well. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.200 Sure, yeah, no, it it will very subtly. So the 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:04.959 way that kind of works is, let's say you put 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.400 your your sleeve in the plus small plus position. It's 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.280 gonna add one degree of loft and it will feel a. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.319 Nine degree head. And you do this, now it's ten 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:13.920 degree head. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.800 Yes, now it's a ten degree head, and it will 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.640 indeed change the face angle just slightly to be slightly 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.400 more relatively closed. Now, for some golfers that that can 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.120 be a benefit. That could be a good thing. Right, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.040 if you hover the driver and don't sole it on 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.600 the ground, you might actually never notice the impact of 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.000 the face angle, and we call that, we've kind of 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.640 called that the resting face angle internally, and some golfers 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.320 never sold the driver, right, Or you might play on 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.160 fairways that are fluffy bermuda and you don't actually get 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.880 a ton of that. Maybe up in the northeast, same 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.400 where you're playing your golf right now, you got the 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.120 tight bent t boxes and this is gonna be more 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.760 like setting it on, you know, like a harder surface, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.120 and so the face angle might be a bit more sensitive. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.640 So some to be mindful of. I'm personally not too 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.040 sensitive of changing that because I tend to kind of 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.080 hover my driver a little bit more. But that is 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.440 something to be aware of when you're changing the different 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.800 sleep settings sleep settings, and again for some golfers, that 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.960 can be a benefit. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna take 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.920 the ten to five instead of the nine in the 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.520 big plus, I'm gonna take the ten to five and 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.640 put in the in the in the little minus or 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.120 the big minus, because I like bias, seeing that face 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:26.280 angle a little bit open. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.280 And I think something else in terms of getting fit 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.520 is loft. I mean, I think we talk a lot 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.240 about loft and the old days. I mean, you know, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.840 you'd have tour guys that would play you know, seven 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.080 degree drivers things like that, right, and now obviously with 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.360 launchhake will being so important getting the ball up in 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.240 the air with less. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.520 Spin, I think the idea of loft has changed. 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.680 Is that fair to say, the idea that you can 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.320 play a nine ten degree driver and still get plenty 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:52.160 of distance out of it. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.600 Yeah, it's pretty amazing, Shane. The spread of different losts 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.880 we have being played in the PGA Tour LPGA Tour. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.240 We have some LPGA Tour players that are playing very 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.840 low lofted drivers because they their angle of attack is 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.760 very upward right, so they tee it very high, maybe 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.400 am little right swing directions right, they hit up a lot. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.240 Then we have other tour players that hit down on 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.840 the driver a little bit more, and so they're playing 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.480 more loft to optimize their launch conditions. So I think 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.920 it's actually quite a fun time to fit drivers because 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.200 I think, uh, there's a lot of the legacy thoughts 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.360 that are that enough time has passed, the ego is gone, right, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.320 and and it's all about just finding the perfect launch conditions. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.960 And hopefully we've influenced this a little bit with a 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.400 lot of our our tools we have with our optimal 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.720 launch and spin chart in our HU Launch Efficient launch 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.760 efficiency tools in Pink Copilot. But I think going back 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.720 to just some the meta fitting process, shaneit's you want 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.360 to think about the model in the loft, so that 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.360 combination that that model loft combination is your core that 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.000 you're going to start your fitting process with. Right, It's 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.239 it's going to be what's going to generate launch conditions, 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.040 how much inertia you're going to have to protect ball 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.440 speed and keep launch conditions consistent, and then you move 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:13.520 to okay, schaff lank, trajectory tuning, sleeve, CG shifter and 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:14.360 things of that nature. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.760 Yeah, it's funny. I recently have added some loft on 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.360 my driver. I was I was struggling with a right miss. 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.120 Like I'm a left handed golfer, so I was struggling 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.360 with this right miss, and what I realized was I'm 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.240 so used to using spin because I'm a high spin 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.920 player with the driver to make the ball move right 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.080 to left, and with modern technology, a lot of that 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.320 spin's coming off and the ball is just simply not 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.400 moving as much that way. And I actually added loft 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.800 on my driver recently. I've been playing the LST and 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.000 I'm aiming straighter and it's just wild that it's a 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.280 little bit extra loft and a little bit better in 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.200 terms of my alignment off the tee is allowing me 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.360 to find more fairways and it's not caused him any 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:56.640 any distance. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.160 Shane, was your right miss for you being a lefty? 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.560 Was it was it curving or drawing on you? Or 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.240 was it just that, Hey, it's starting. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.160 Right and not and not and not moving Like I'm 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.800 just finding that the ball doesn't spin left or right 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.720 for me as much. I mean, it can when you 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.240 miss hit a driver, but if I hit it solid 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.520 that that miss, you know, let's call it fifteen years 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.679 ago that drive. The spin's taking that ball left, and 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.960 I'm used to seeing that, and I feel like over 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.200 the last two iterations four thirty into four forty, it's 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.200 just the spin. The side spin to me is less 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.600 than so much that it's allowing me to aim down 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.040 the right side of the fairway, hit it there. If 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.280 it does cut, it's great, and if not, it's still 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:36.840 in the fairway. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.520 Yeah. I love that, And you're you're a very fun 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.040 use case to fit, very much like a PGA Tour player. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.600 That said that that a lot of the PGA Tour 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.320 players that hit just a little bit of cut bias 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.200 and they're okay with it going straight, And there's certainly 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.520 a lot of security in that. The reason why I 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.000 asked you your question is that, hey, if you if 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:01.800 you if your ball's curving over over hooking, has any 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.840 hook spin or draw spin to it on your miss? 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.879 One of the things with CG shifter or swingwave or 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.840 length fitting that a lot of people and I think 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.320 we talk about Shane with driver fitting is should you 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.320 kind of fit the driver for one shot shape? And 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.080 I actually like to think about this in the inverse, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.920 which is, let's eliminate the miss that you don't want, right, 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.600 Let's let's let's fit your driver for the miss that 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.880 you don't want. And I think that's actually a little 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.159 different framing that can really help both our fitters and 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.119 consumers when they're going for their driver fit is like, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.200