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Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 1: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Shane Bak and joined by Marty Jerts and Marty

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Speaker 3: just you and I. Today we're gonna talk a little driver.

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Speaker 1: Fitting Driver fitting the most important club in the bag

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Speaker 1: and has the biggest impact on your game and quite frankly, Shane,

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Speaker 1: just fun to hit and fun to fit.

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Speaker 3: You know, you said most important club in the bag,

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Speaker 3: And I go back to that, you know, famous phrase

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Speaker 3: about golf. You know you drive for show and putt

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Speaker 3: for doe. Even when I was a kid, I remember

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Speaker 3: thinking to myself, sure, you got to make the putts

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Speaker 3: to score, but if you hit it off the planet

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Speaker 3: or you don't get it in play, it's tough to

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Speaker 3: be putting for anything that matters. I do feel like

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Speaker 3: these days the driver feels like the most important and

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Speaker 2: For the pros, but for everybody that plays. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely I'm at the modern day analytics, you know, strokes

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Speaker 1: should think about the driver, Chaane, is the foundation of

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Speaker 2: Is that why you have two in the bag? Is

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Speaker 1: Yes? I need to really really reassure the foundation here. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get into that. We'll get into having a

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Speaker 3: And Marty, just take us through if you can, before

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Speaker 3: Can you take us through the four forty lineup currently

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Speaker 3: and what's kind of available in terms of the different

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I think just to give a

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Speaker 1: And in fact, we talked about this with Ryan Stokey

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Speaker 1: So that's when we came up with this naming convention,

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Speaker 3: What if somebody wants to get fit. What do you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, Shane. I'm reinvigorated to track my stats lately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty amazing, Shane. The spread of different losts

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Speaker 1: Shane, was your right miss for you being a lefty?

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Speaker 1: So the more you can reduce the curve, especially if

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Speaker 1: you don't have the ball speed your level, to be

437
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Speaker 1: able to live with a little bit of that coming

438
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Speaker 1: off for the comfort of your shot shape and your dispersion.

439
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Speaker 1: Reducing your curve as much as possible is a little

440
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Speaker 1: bit of a hack to get more distance, right, and

441
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Speaker 1: so we like doing that as a general rule, is

442
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Speaker 1: trying to reduce the amount of curve. And our modern

443
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Speaker 1: technology and golf ball obviously has that kind of built

444
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Speaker 1: into it, which is which is quite nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the CG shifter is again a piece

446
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Speaker 3: of technology. It's been around now for a bit, but

447
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Speaker 3: the fact that you could build a driver and then

448
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Speaker 3: use that to kind of eliminate, as you said, potentially something.

449
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Speaker 3: I know that the shifter is something also to be

450
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Speaker 3: aware of when you're changing lofts, right, because you can

451
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Speaker 3: lean on that. It's basically use one piece of technology

452
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Speaker 3: to help.

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Speaker 2: You with the other piece of technology.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And the way I think hopefully this will help

455
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Speaker 1: consumers and fitters think about driver fitting is you want

456
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Speaker 1: to think about vertical driver fitting, right, So this is

457
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Speaker 1: your your side view of the trajectory, and you're going

458
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Speaker 1: to get your your your ball speed, launch, spin optimize.

459
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Speaker 1: You want to maximize ball speed and then you want

460
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Speaker 1: to optimize launch and spin. So that's kind of your

461
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Speaker 1: vertical fitting, and that's where you're going to use loft

462
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Speaker 1: model as your main things, and then trajectory tuning sleeve

463
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Speaker 1: and then once you're kind of in the ballpark there,

464
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Speaker 1: then you snap yourself to the top down few of

465
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Speaker 1: the ball flight and you're gonna optimize your left right fitting.

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Speaker 1: And that's where model plays a role obviously, because they

467
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Speaker 1: have a they each have their own unique kind of

468
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Speaker 1: left right bias. But then now, and I love that

469
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Speaker 1: now the K has the CG shifter in it. Our

470
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Speaker 1: fitters have absolutely love this because now you can get

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Speaker 1: this megahig MLI driver and be able to shift the

472
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Speaker 1: CG and so then you're going to optimize your left

473
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Speaker 1: right bias of the driver and your dispersion of the driver,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to do that. It's going to be

475
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Speaker 1: informed by model. But then you're going to use CG shifter,

476
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Speaker 1: a little bit of length, and then trajectory tuning, sleeve

477
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Speaker 1: and then the final icing on the cake there for

478
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Speaker 1: left right bias is swingweight. You can you can nudge

479
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Speaker 1: the swing weight a little heavier. It's going to help

480
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Speaker 1: bias for the right handed golfer. Trajectory is a little

481
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Speaker 1: bit more right or eliminate left a little bit again

482
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Speaker 1: for the right handed golfer, and then slightly lighter swing weight,

483
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Speaker 1: headweight hedges the face delivery more closed a path, and

484
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Speaker 1: that can help square the driver turn it over a

485
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Speaker 1: little bit easier.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it seems you know, you hear all this

487
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Speaker 3: as a golfer and you think this is very complicated, right.

488
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Speaker 3: I mean the fact that you can move the sleeve

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Speaker 3: a degree here and there, and you've got a CG

490
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Speaker 3: shifter in the back, you've got headweights, and you've got

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Speaker 3: shaft all these things. I think when you first of all,

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Speaker 3: when you start to understand it, it makes a little bit

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Speaker 3: more sense. But I also think this is why going

494
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Speaker 3: to somebody that knows what they're doing is so massfully important,

495
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Speaker 3: because it's not just getting fit, but on the back end.

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Speaker 3: I always tell people this all the time that talk

497
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Speaker 3: to me personally about getting fit is i'd say, at

498
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Speaker 3: the end of the fitting, ask the fitter what you

499
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Speaker 3: should be, what you should know when you leave about

500
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Speaker 3: your specific golf club, whether it be move this if

501
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: you're missing it, this way, loft if you're doing this again.

502
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: It's understanding your golf game and also having that conversation

503
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Speaker 3: with your fitter to help you on the back end,

504
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Speaker 3: knowing that the golf club is ever evolving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that, and I love I love

506
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Speaker 1: that our CG shifter, trajectory tuning sleeve are now tools

507
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Speaker 1: in the hands of the consumer. They're they're they're with you,

508
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Speaker 1: the player, so that you're not stuck post post purchase.

509
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: You get out there, you play a few rounds of golf.

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Speaker 1: Shane one one thing we've talked to and I loved

511
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Speaker 1: interviewing our tour fitters Kenton and then our tour players.

512
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Speaker 1: Is that this model that the tour fitting is kind

513
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Speaker 1: of never ending. The truck is there every week they

514
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Speaker 1: build a driver. Yes, they go dial it in on

515
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Speaker 1: the range, but then they go play nine or they

516
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Speaker 1: go play the practice round. Ooh, this is a little off.

517
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Speaker 1: Let's make a little tweak now, you the consumer can

518
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Speaker 1: also do that. And that's what I love about our

519
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Speaker 1: modern our modern tools, technologies and designs. I think on

520
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Speaker 1: that idea, Shane, that the driver fitting can be complic

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Speaker 1: can be complicated, which it does. It sounds like we

522
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Speaker 1: got a lot going on here. We have so many

523
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Speaker 1: great tools within Copilot that our fitters are utilizing. Like

524
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Speaker 1: to get into the right shaft, we got the shaft

525
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: app boom, we can get you in the ballpark for

526
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Speaker 1: the top two or three shafts to play. And then

527
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Speaker 1: to get the right vertical launch conditions, we have this

528
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Speaker 1: tool in there called launch Efficiency that helps find the

529
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Speaker 1: exact perfect launch conditions for you. And then the one

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Speaker 1: I love that some of our more advanced fitters use

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Speaker 1: and I think this is where we're evolving our way

532
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: to and track Man even has as a metric in

533
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Speaker 1: their tool set now is fitting and choosing drivers based

534
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Speaker 1: on strokes gained. So we have actually a strokes gained score,

535
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Speaker 1: so you can go in with your gamer driver, or

536
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Speaker 1: maybe you want to say, hey, is forty five and

537
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Speaker 1: a quarter inch driver better than forty five and three

538
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: quarter forty six and do a little length comparison. Maybe

539
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Speaker 1: you can live with a few extra yards and it

540
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Speaker 1: won't impact your dispersion that much and make those decisions

541
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Speaker 1: based on strokes gain. So that's kind of where we're

542
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Speaker 1: going from a fitting standpoint, and some of our fitters

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Speaker 1: love fitting drivers based on a strokes gain score.

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Speaker 3: Marty, how often should you go get fit for a

545
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Speaker 3: new ping driver? You know, you give them your credit card,

546
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: you run it, You got a new club, you're.

547
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Speaker 2: Excited about it.

548
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 3: How often should you be reassessing what you're doing with it,

549
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: going back to a fitter or an instructor or a

550
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Speaker 3: launch monitor or something like that to get a feel

551
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Speaker 3: for if it's still working for what you're leaning on

552
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Speaker 3: this time, Because as we all know, our golf games change,

553
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Speaker 3: I mean, our golf shots change. The way we miss

554
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: it can change. Like how often should a everyday golf

555
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Speaker 3: for a seven eight handicap at their local club. Be

556
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Speaker 3: going back to let's call it the trainer if you will,

557
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Speaker 3: like if you were doing a new workout and getting

558
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: a feel for if the driver is where it should

559
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Speaker 3: be at this point versus when you bought it three

560
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Speaker 3: four months ago.

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Speaker 1: Man, I think if you're a seven eight handicapper and

562
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Speaker 1: you got it, maybe a summer season, kind of classic

563
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Speaker 1: summer golf season and you're not playing much in the

564
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Speaker 1: winter and you're playing a good number of events or

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Speaker 1: with your buddies, I would do it a couple times

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Speaker 1: during the season with your driver because it is that

567
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: important of a golf club. Certainly, maybe you're taking lessons

568
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: and you're kind of keeping an eye on, you know,

569
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Speaker 1: is your swing direction changing, is your angle to attack changing,

570
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Speaker 1: things of that nature. Those are definitely a big part

571
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Speaker 1: of it for most golfer. Shane, I love, at a minimum,

572
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Speaker 1: you want to check your driver once a year, right

573
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Speaker 1: is the beginning of the season would be a good time,

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Speaker 1: or maybe kind of back into playing a little bit

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Speaker 1: early in the season, great time to go just get

576
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Speaker 1: a check up on your driver. That being said, Shane,

577
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of golfers out there that have home

578
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Speaker 1: launch monitors. Maybe your club has a launch monitor on

579
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Speaker 1: your range. Now we're seeing a lot of that, and

580
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Speaker 1: you can feel free to tune up the driver once

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Speaker 1: a week if you want to, or maybe you got

582
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Speaker 1: your home sim And again I like this model that

583
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Speaker 1: eventually avid golfers at home were doing exactly the same

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Speaker 1: thing tour players are doing. And you're seeing tour players

585
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: measure not only on the range, they're taking their quad

586
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: or their track man right out of the course and

587
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Speaker 1: they're measuring literally every I mean, who would have imagined

588
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: that ten years ago, So you're measuring every single golf shot.

589
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild. And I mean we really haven't touched

590
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Speaker 3: on shafts too, Marty. I mean, you know, I mean

591
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: the shaft world is so extensive. I know, Ping makes

592
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: shafts at home. Now you've got a shaft lab there

593
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: where you're basically diving in to the shaft the world

594
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: within the driver to basically match everything up from head

595
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: through the grip. I mean, it's become a big part

596
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Speaker 3: of what PING is about in terms of the shafts.

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Speaker 3: But it is a world where you can go as

598
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Speaker 3: deep into the shaft world as you want, or you

599
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: can go as surface as you want as well, and

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00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: really lean into what makes the most sense and maybe

601
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: not deviate much from what you go model to model

602
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: in terms of the heads.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Yehafts shafts of fun world. Yeah, We've been

604
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Speaker 1: having a great time with our lab here doing a

605
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: lot of fun research. I mean, what's what's great here

606
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: is we have John Oldenberg Lean all of our shaft designs,

607
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: and then we have our focal tools which is Markless,

608
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: which is our Mark Heurd motion capture system, and we

609
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: just I was in a few golf science meetings in

610
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks looking at how the shaft

611
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: is bending and drooping and deflecting dynamically, and we're getting

612
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: going down some really fun rabbit holes, which you know,

613
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: how much can the shaft influence how consistent you deliver

614
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: the club, your consistency of delivery, closure rate, drooping. So

615
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: not only can shaft for the golfer influence just your

616
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: average ball speed, launch, spin, face delivery, but it's also

617
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: and I think we all know this kind of our

618
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: intuition is that shafts just kind of work for you, right,

619
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Speaker 1: And so we're getting down into the science of what

620
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Speaker 1: what what makes that?

621
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Speaker 2: Why is that?

622
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Speaker 1: Like, what is the causal reason that maybe some tour

623
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Speaker 1: players or you or me like this kind of favorite

624
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: shaft or this favorite bending profile or torque profile. And

625
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: not only is it you know, maybe give us the

626
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: right launch conditions, it's the consistency of delivery. You know,

627
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: a certain shaft can kind of be a dampener on

628
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: maybe imperfection in your swing and allow you to still

629
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: deliver the face and get those launch conditions or get

630
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: that tight impact stat area. So shaft's a fun one.

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Speaker 2: We met.

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Speaker 1: We have some great tools. I mean, our shaft app

633
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: in Pink co Pilot is our most used app in there,

634
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: and that's because our fitters love using it to kind

635
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: of narrow down into the right shaft. So that's how

636
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: I would encourage you to think about shaft fitting is

637
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: to go to one of our fitters that has Pink

638
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Copilot and when you're when they're using our shaft app,

639
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: they're they're leveraging and tapping into all of our research

640
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: we've done in our shaft lab, in our focal system.

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00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: Marty, how often are tour players tweaking their drivers? I mean,

642
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: I've been on the truck and been, you know within

643
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: the tour truck. You know plenty of times that majors

644
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: in some of the golf tournaments I go to, and

645
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: the guys are in there every week tinkering with something,

646
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: right Matt Fitzpatrick, you know, kind of weighing his irons

647
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 3: every single week, make sure the weight is perfect compared

648
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: to what it was the week before. You've got guys

649
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: in there obviously doing stuff to their wedges and their grips,

650
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: But how often are they changing or tweaking stuff with

651
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: the driver? Because you said it off the top of

652
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Speaker 3: the podcast, the driver is the most important.

653
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Speaker 2: Club in the bag, especially for the tour pro.

654
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Speaker 1: Yeah, driver is an interesting one. I mean, there we

655
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Speaker 1: have it. We have a good number of tour players

656
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: that will work on the driver. Let's call it the

657
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: off season if there even is one anymore shame, but

658
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: they're kind of in the in the off season wrap

659
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Speaker 1: around season. Uh, they will put some work into maybe

660
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Speaker 1: maybe if it's a tour player looking to gain a

661
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: little bit and strokes gain based on their year end

662
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: recap and try some a little bit longer, they'll put

663
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Speaker 1: some work into it and and lock into the driver

664
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Speaker 1: early in the season and then if the latch again.

665
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: These guys are measuring launch conditions sometimes every single shot

666
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: or you know, I think most tour players are getting

667
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: on a launch monitor literally every week at a minimum,

668
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: during practice rounds and days and things of that nature.

669
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: They're keeping a very close eye on to those launch conditions.

670
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: If the launch conditions are good where they want it

671
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: to be. We have a number of tour players that

672
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: stick to the same base build and they won't tweak

673
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: it the entire year. Uh, you know, everything will be

674
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape. Then we'll have other tour players where,

675
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're tweaking their angle of attack a

676
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: little bit, working on some technique things throughout the year,

677
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: and they need to tweak their driver to work in

678
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: harmony with that, and that's where kind of the fitting

679
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: coaching goes together. I we don't see tour players maybe

680
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: tweaking their driver as much as maybe experimenting with grinds

681
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: on their wedges weak to week for different conditions, or

682
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: even maybe tweaking their putter their putter loft if they're

683
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: If they're tweaking things that way, the driver seems to

684
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: be if you're if they're comfortable with it, they like

685
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: their model. They like the amount of loft they're seeing

686
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: on the golf ball that works with their mechanics. It's

687
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: one of the more stable things that we see some

688
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: of our players kind of keep throughout the year, a

689
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: little bit more stable.

690
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: All Right, you got to talk about th River because

691
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: it's a club that I think is is uh.

692
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: Is beloved by you? Or are you still a Thriver guy?

693
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Are you still? Yeah?

694
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm still I'm still Thriver. I love it.

695
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So explain, I mean, if if people haven't heard

696
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: it or they didn't listen to previous podcasts about the Thriver,

697
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: where does that fit into this process, because that's a

698
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: whole different club that has the same size head as

699
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: a as a driver that you're going to play as

700
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: your main gamer.

701
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

702
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: Well, I'll take a little step back, Shane and kind

703
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: of you ask the question of what should a golfer

704
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: think about going into the fitting? And so I did

705
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: self reflection on my own game and track some stats.

706
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I have my well, yeah, what

707
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: what did I do well? Or where do I have

708
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: a maybe some demons. Every golfer's got little demons in

709
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: their game, and I had demons with a three wood,

710
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: I would get quite often maybe a little nervous on

711
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: my first T shot or my swings a little off.

712
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: And where that would show up the most for me

713
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: is my three wood three wood off the tee specifically,

714
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: and in Arizona Golf, a lot of the PJA Southwest

715
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Section events, I need to hit a two seventy five,

716
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: two eighty shot, two seventy shot fairways run out or

717
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: neck in right. It's kind of classic Arizona golf style design.

718
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: And so I was like, hey, looked at my stats

719
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: reflected on my game. I was like, what would happen

720
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: here if I played a twelve degree driver at threewood length?

721
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: What would happen to my dispersion? And would that kind

722
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: of solve that demon in my game? And I, in

723
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: my stats, use the three wood as a T shot

724
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: club eighty five to ninety percent of the time for

725
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: the golf I play right. And this is this is

726
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: the beauty of custom fitting. Might be very different for you,

727
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: might be very different for somebody with my speed that's

728
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: playing different style of golf courses and they need to

729
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: use a threewood into their par five's a lot their

730
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: ratio might be different, right, and this is the value

731
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: of stats. So I something I experiment with. I think

732
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm going on year three now with the Thriver design.

733
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Is I just take our twelve degree max head and

734
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: got to we gotta build for this epping put the

735
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: build a shaft that's about forty three inches forty three

736
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: and a quarter inches. For me, I build it slightly

737
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: heavier CG shifter, the fade position flat dot, so it's

738
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: a little bit flatter. And this is like, uh, I

739
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: call it my anti anxiety club for me, Shane, Like,

740
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how bad, you know, if I'm swinging

741
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: a bat or nervous, I can see this thing low

742
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 1: and hit this what we call the Thriver right down

743
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: the middle of the fair We very comforting club.

744
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

745
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 3: I've played it on and off for the last couple

746
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: of years and it is so funny. My club in

747
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: Connecticut the first hole. We call it the hardest opening

748
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: hole in the state of Connecticut. It's just one of

749
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: those part fours that you won't I have no interest

750
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: in playing out of the gate, oh b left, trash right,

751
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: just gotta hit over a fairway bunker. If you want

752
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: to have a short iron in and it is legitimately

753
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: a whole design for the thriver. Yeah, because if you

754
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 3: could hit it two sixty five two seven in the air,

755
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: it's perfect. And again you talk about anxiety for me

756
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 3: trying to hit kind of the cut that doesn't cut

757
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: too much and go out of bounds.

758
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: It is. It is exactly like the club that perfect

759
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: for that shot. So I'm with you.

760
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 3: It's a great opening T shot club and also a

761
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: little easy to hit off the ground. I mean, with

762
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: the added loft you could hit it off the off

763
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: the deck if you need to and get it up

764
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: in the air and actually attack a Part five or two.

765
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: I've yeah, No, I've had a lot of success as

766
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: long as a Part five you've got some room to

767
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: kind of run it up or a lot of times.

768
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: I guess the strokes gained calculation is, Shane, Let's say

769
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: I have to hit this three food off the tee

770
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: or two seventy five shot off the t five times

771
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: in a round, and maybe I have to hit it

772
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: off the ground once into six hundred yard part five.

773
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: Your your your strokes gained that you're getting from reducing

774
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: your dispersion by fifty percent on those T shot clubs

775
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: will far outweigh that one shot, or maybe if I

776
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: can just get up by the green raw ly on

777
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: my short game, get that ball up and down could

778
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: be worth it. So doubt not something for everybody, but

779
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: I think for your faster swing speed players that if

780
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: you kind of reflect upon your game and say, hey, yeah,

781
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: I hit three wood off the tee a lot of

782
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: the times, but I would. I would if I played

783
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: a tournament Shane, where it's every holes a driver hole,

784
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: and I might have two or three part fives where

785
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: I need to hit a three into the green. Yeah,

786
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: I'll put, I'll put, I'll put the driver's side and

787
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: put a three back in the bag for that particular

788
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: course or tournament.

789
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: All right, Marty, what did we forget or what do

790
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: we miss on in terms of driver fitting for those

791
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: out there kind of getting ready for something new, getting

792
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: ready to go out there and look at four forty

793
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: and beyond. What is kind of a lasting thought to

794
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: have as we wrap this.

795
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: Up, Man, when you go in for a driver fitting,

796
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: you want to make sure your fitter is measuring your

797
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: angle of attack. We talked about this with Frederick from

798
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: track Man. We have great tools on it in Pink

799
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: co Pilot in our driver launch efficiency tool in our

800
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: optimal launch and Spin chart. So the higher the more

801
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: you hit up on the ball, you're going to live

802
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: with less spin and your launch angle is going to

803
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: be higher. The more you hit down on the ball

804
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: from an angle of attack standpoint, your optimal spin is

805
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: going to be lower. So go in with an open

806
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: mind about what the optimal spin rate is for you.

807
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: That's number one, So keep an eye on your angle

808
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: of attack and then Shane. The icing on the cake

809
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: for fitting is pairing your golf ball to your driver

810
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: or your entire game. So if everything's good, you like

811
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: the K driver, but it might be spinning just a

812
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: little bit too much two and three hundred RPMs too much.

813
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: You can use our Ballnamic tool to use golf ball

814
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: to get you into the right launch and spin zone.

815
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: So let's say you can't get perfect on our optimal

816
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: launch and spin chart, remember that that's when golf ball

817
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: comes into play. And that's kind of the icing on

818
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: the cake for driver fitting and marry it to you

819
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: entire game.

820
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's there's so many options out there,

821
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: and obviously it feels like every year, every six months,

822
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: there's a new option out there, whether it be it

823
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: kind of something within Copilot or beyond that. Marty and

824
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: the team does such a great job of in terms

825
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: of helping you not just get fit for something perfect

826
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: for your game, but also understand what you're getting fit for.

827
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: And I think the fitting world it becomes more complicated

828
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: at times because of all the technology out there, and

829
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: way less complicated at times because of the options. And

830
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 3: I think golfers are just smarter now. I think they

831
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 3: understand a lot of the stuff we talk so much about.

832
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: But it just reminder, get fit, get fit for somebody

833
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: who knows what they're doing. And whether it be K

834
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 3: or LST or SFT or you know, if you're thinking

835
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: about jumping the thriver world, they're all great out there

836
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: if you get a fit for your game, and it

837
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: makes sense for how you play the game as well.

838
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: But Marty appreciate obviously the insight into the driver fitting world.

839
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: Most important club in your bag. Get something new in

840
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: there that finds more fairways and goes a little longer.

841
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: It'll make golf more enjoyable for everybody out there that's listening.

842
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,200
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