WEBVTT - Parole Violations w/ Michael Chernus 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.279 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.080 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:07.920 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.520 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done, 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:32.560 Hello again and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.040 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:41.000 We talk SVU crime celeb guests up top. We chit chat, 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.599 we catch up because it's not like we don't see 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:48.839 each other constantly, but it is nice to catch up. Well, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.080 I sent you a news story. Should we start there 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.360 or do we want to start with some Oh, tour dates? 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.480 Yeah, let me tell everybody the tour dates really quick. Guys, 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.040 just announce we just announced a loss Angela's show. So 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.080 let me go down through June. What we're doing. We're 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.039 going to be at Cobbs in San Francisco on June eighth. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.120 We're going to be at the Tempe Improv in Tempe, 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.520 Arizona on June fifteenth. We're gonna be at Denver Comedy 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.080 Works in Denver on June twenty fifth, and then we'll 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.039 be at the Bourbon Room in Los Angeles. On the 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.319 twenty ninth, La. We need you to show up for this. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.720 We've moved venues. We love the venue we did before, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.640 but we're trying to do something a little splash here 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.840 with guys. I just went to this place. Remember I 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.319 talked about going to see Broadway Barbara. I went there 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.759 to see her. It's such a fun venue. It's really cool. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.440 There's cool drinks, there's good I had tater tots that 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.480 were delicious. The come for the tots, stay for the SVU, 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.120 let's get let's let's sell out this room. I know 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:46.640 we have a ton of listeners in La and you 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.480 guys got to come to our live shows. And you're 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.160 to drive if you're from other places. Oh my god. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.160 Yesterday my sister texts me and she goes, my friend 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.640 Rna is coming here show in San Diego tomorrow. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.280 I go, I'm not in San Diego. The what is 0:01:59.320 --> 0:01:59.680 she doing? 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.760 Yeah? She goes, well, she said she's going to your 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.680 show in San Diego. I go, we'll tell her to 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.320 fuck off. But it's because there's a comedy store in 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.640 La Joya. And she was confused, so she was just 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:15.280 looking at the comedy yeah in La. But I thought 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.680 that was funny and silly. Yeah, we have to sell 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:18.160 out la. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.440 So yeah, you guys got to come out, experience the 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.080 magic and tell your fat you're in Azusa. Come on 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.880 down yard and bring friends. Like everybody that comes to 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.720 our shows brings drag alongs people, that's what we call them. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.920 People that don't listen to the pod, and they always 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.040 have such a good time. And you know, I think 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.120 some of them start listening, but maybe they don't. They 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.800 just have a beautiful night. But yeah, our live shows 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:47.120 are PowerPoint jokes, fun stuff. It's not just us sitting 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.239 at a folding table like doing the podcast, although that 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.679 would be fun too, but it's extra shit. So come 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:58.080 on out. Is there anything business wise? As always, guys, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:03.360 we're on TikTok now and sv pod on TikTok and also. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.119 Want to be our intern come come shoot content with us. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.200 Yeah, and then we've got merch up. It's at the 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.480 link in our bio so on Instagram, which is that 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.880 smussed up pod, So come buy some of our fun 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.839 merch we got. We're gonna putting out new merch soon 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.000 I think too. And that's that. So yeah, Lisa sent 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.760 me this article over the weekend and was like, we're 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:29.880 talking about this article BuzzFeed. It's the wildest thing I've 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.200 ever read, Lisa, do you want to summarize? 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.040 Yeah, So basically, this dude wants to propose to his 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.400 girlfriend and he thought it would be funny to fake 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:44.320 kidnap her. And I guess there was miscommunication with the 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.080 hired guns. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.040 Well, they were his friends. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.440 So while she was running every woman's fear, she gets 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.520 snatched in a van by a group of men who 0:03:55.560 --> 0:04:01.280 restrain her and physically assault her in the car. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.960 They take her phone, they have her pin down. One 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.960 guy's caressing her upper thigh like they're trying to make 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.960 her feel like, this is it for you, babe. You're 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:11.680 either going to get raped or murdered or both. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.840 And then they you know, she's flipping out. She thinks 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.320 she's gonna die, and then they just like throw her 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.479 out of the van and the guy's there to propose 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.960 to her, and she's like, I never want to see 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.880 him again. So I think the police are called. We 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.680 don't know what charges are going to be brought onto people. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.599 The boyfriend is devastated, but he's giving her space, and 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.599 she her life is ruined and I don't really know. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.080 Some of the other details are that what the boyfriend 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.359 wanted to happen was he wanted his friends to like 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.000 pull up in a van, jump out like not even 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.680 in masks, and like hand her a note that's like, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.159 your boyfriend wants to see you at this location. Resistance 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.120 is futile, so that she would like know immediately this 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.039 is a jokey thing. But his friends he hired, He 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.200 had one friend to it, and then that friend got 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.720 two friends, and those two friends were like, now we 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.720 need to up the antimore and like terrify her, like 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.599 that'll make it more fun. And they were like laughing 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.000 the whole time while she was terrified, Like I just 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.760 it's so fucked, Like it's so fucked because it's not 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:14.559 a joke. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.280 Yeah, scaring someone into one of the worst things that 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:20.840 can happen to you is not it. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:21.880 I don't get the joke. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.640 And I bet these guys are just like, well, everyone's 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.279 gotta lighten up. It's like and someone is crying and 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:34.200 flipping out, like you stop. Yeah, but also, how many 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.440 movies did you not watch? Like to the friend, you 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.400 don't hire random people. They will shoot to the place 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.320 you're trying to rob. Like how many movie examples are there, 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.479 like you don't bring a random extra dude to do 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:54.000 a job ever, Yeah, and also Jawbreaker, such a lesson. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.680 Don't fake kidnap anybody like the Risks and like, I 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.800 bet she'll never wrote probably be able to run, or 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.599 at least for a while. I mean, so she's in 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.280 full like your body because actors with us a lot, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.880 and I feel like they're probably lying, But your body 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.279 doesn't know the difference between fake and real. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.200 Yes, you know your body is that trauma response is 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.560 like real in her, and that's gonna be there, you know, 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.919 even though the relief of it not being real washes 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:23.640 over your brain. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.760 I feel like your body remembers. Yeah, do we do 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.680 a poll, would you still marry him or what? Like? 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.520 I don't. I think you know the answer to that 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.520 bowl pretty much. I think there might be charges against 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.880 the guys, like not the boyfriend, I don't think, but 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.040 against the like friends that should be. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.360 Yeah, you don't snatch a woman, throw her in a 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.880 van and touch her and think you're gonna Yeah you 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.560 think that's a show. Yeah, you belong in prison, because 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.960 what else are you doing? Yeah, psycho what else do 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.159 you think is funny, sir? It's twisted, man. And I 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:00.680 was reading it in the middle of the night. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:02.919 Yeah, when you sent it to me, I was like, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.279 oh my god, this is terrifying. And then I told 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.200 my husband and he was like, what, oh my god, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.960 Like he was like taking it more seriously than I did, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.040 but though I took it very seriously. What were your 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.600 final thoughts on the met Gala curious. 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:23.240 I loved it. I really, I really loved Anne Hathaway. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.840 I think she's my favorite. I love Dualipa, so I 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.640 think I like the the tweet of it all I 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.360 think was my favorite. Yeah, I thought people turned it out. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.160 Some people were boring, but maybe he was boring, you 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.200 know what I mean. Yeah, I think Lizzo looked bad. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.280 I think her stylists fucked up, like, don't understand that look. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.320 I think am Rada, I guess, was boring, but I 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.840 thought everyone turned it out, like I like, I liked 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.320 seeing it, and I think Anne Hathaway did the best. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.960 I don't know that designer well enough, like I don't 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.680 know Carl Lagerfeld well enough to be like, who's doing 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.560 it well or not? I'm just kind of reacting to 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:00.240 like the books. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.440 Yeah, I guess he designed for Chanel, so he was 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.120 like head of Chanel for many years, and then Chloe 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.880 and then probably other places that I don't know about. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.120 So Chanelle is like tweed Bo's Pearls and that's you 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:13.520 know what people. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.600 Mostly, Yeah, was it you that sent us a thing 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.560 that was like Anne Hathaway just coming back to tell 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.440 all of you guys to fuck off after you all 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.800 turned on her, Like there was some meme that was 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.480 like everybody turned on Anne Hathaway and now she's fucking 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:26.560 back to make you eat it. 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.480 Yeah, And people just hated her because she was too earnest, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.520 like she was a theater kid and it's like whataz. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:34.719 Yeah. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.199 I think Zua and Anne Hathaway are my favorites and 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.760 they're both kind of similar, so that's embarrassing for me. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.040 But who there were other people I liked. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.600 I like some Oh, Kara Delavine loved her like high 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.679 high black tight boots and then a white like puffy 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.640 like a play on his shirts. Everybody looks really gorge 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.319 I feel like it's so many people looking hot. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:58.079 I loved. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.920 I loved does after party look a lot? Oh, I 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.240 love Emma Chamberlain. I liked both her looks a lot. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.160 I thought she did awesome. I think Janelle Monet always 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.520 turns it out, and I'm glad the guys are finally 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:15.880 like having fun. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.800 Usually it's only like two to three guys. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.480 Yeah, sparkling and this it seemed like a lot of 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.800 the dudes were like turning it out and being. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.400 Yeah, I'm looking at this guy, Alton Mason who's in 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.760 like a wedding wedding kind of like jumpsuit with a veil, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.640 and it looks really cool. Yeah. I was just wondering 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.520 because I just feel like I loved Was there a 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.320 cockroach or something at the mac Gala. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.520 Yeah, there was a cockroach on the stairs and people 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.000 were like, who are you wearing? 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:47.920 Yeah, it's like cocker over here over here. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.360 I think someone then smushed the cockerroach and it was 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.600 like people were doing like rips like twenty twenty three 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.800 to twenty twenty three, the Life of the Cockerroach, you 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:58.280 know whatever. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:00.920 So there were three cats. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.640 It was Doja Cat, Little nas X and Jared Letto 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.400 were the cats of the evening. I gotta see all 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.160 these cats. Go look at the cats. Pick your chop. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.960 I think Jared Leto I just hate so much. And 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.120 I was talking about him with other people last night, 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.560 where I guess Anne Hathaway mentioned when she worked with 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.080 him that she never met Jared Letto, she only met 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.160 the character Adam, And I'm like, I just hate these 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.120 kinds of actors. I really really do. Like, get a grip, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.720 get a grip that I can. I kind of like 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.360 what he's wearing. It's I kind of like that he's 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.640 just in like, I love it. He's my favorite cat. Yeah, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.199 because I bet that's like a fifteen thousand dollars cap. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.920 Yeah. Little nas X looks cool too, but doja cat? 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.079 I don't. The prosthetic stuff kind of freaks me out 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.200 a little bit. I just have to be honest. Like 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.600 her outfit, her body, like everything looks great, umber outfit, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.839 but like the cat face. I'm like, I like the 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.320 idea of like glamour but twisted, you know, like glitter, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.560 glitter sexy. But then he I have a cat face. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.439 I like it. But both your and. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.280 Little Lazak's did the same bit, which I think is embarrassing, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.600 and they answered all their interview questions with me now, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.199 so it's like, you know, they should have maybe talked 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.120 a little beforehand. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.720 Is there something caddy about Carlagerfeld? Like is he a 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.400 cat person? Yeah? He had a cat. Yeah, oh catty 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.240 love Okay, because otherwise Jared Letto's doesn't make a ton 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.240 of sense to me. I mean, the other two can work, 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:31.280 I feel like, but his being like full mascot anyway. Yeah, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:32.880 I just wanted to ask you because I know that 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.520 you you consider the ball a full event, so I 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:37.880 wanted to hear your thoughts. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.679 I don't know if it's unique to me. I think 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.920 it's an event and our friend in the art world. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.440 I don't normally pay attention to it, but you I know, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.559 love it. Yeah, And I've been to the and I've 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.240 been to the you know museum before to see I 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.280 went to the camp Collection. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.960 Oh my god, Caara, I know where we have to 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.600 start the episode. God. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.760 So in San Francisco, I there was like a twenty 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.320 two year old young comic who said Whitney Houston is 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.800 not a real artist because she doesn't write her own music. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.320 And I schooled him. I taught him in a kind 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.400 amazing way. After I did to go take a shot 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.000 of whiskey it really like fucked with my constitution that 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.640 anyone would say that. Last night, I was sitting with 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.679 the I think they're in a cult. I think these 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.559 comics are in a cult. They were saying that Joe 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:28.080 Rogan is as famous in the same level as Beyonce. No, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.280 and I was just like no, and they kept trying 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.679 to convince me, and I go, no, no, we can disagree. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.040 I have no argument. I'm not a Beyonce, I'm not 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.680 in the Beehive. I'm just telling you, as an objective person, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.120 out of all of this Beyonce, more people know who 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:44.840 Beyonce is than Joe Rogan. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.480 Also, are you just talking about the United States of America. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.040 Beyonce's a worldwide superstar. Nobody in France knows who fucking 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:51.920 Joe Rogan is. 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.120 Well, And then at towards the end, then other people 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.559 started agreeing with me, because me and my friend Charlie 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.920 were just like, more like, even if you're not a 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.800 fan of Beyonce, you know who Beyonce is. There are 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.960 millions of people in this in the state let. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.960 Me live who don't know who Rogan. Yeah. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.880 Total, And then all of a sudden he goes, well, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.280 I mean like the reach and the influence. I go, no, no, no, 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.480 you said more famous than you're wrong, and now you're 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.040 trying to like switch it all around. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.880 But these people are just they're in occult of Joe Rogan. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.079 Also, I went to his club while we were there 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.680 in Austin and it was gorgeous. I was raving about 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.240 it to you. I just found out from someone else. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.600 So there's like a comedian balcony that you could watch everything, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.560 and then a VIP balcony, and I guess Alex Jones 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.040 and Elon Musk hang out there. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.920 So I'm never gonna obviously go back. But yeah, that's 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.199 yikes all around. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:45.440 Ye. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.280 I was so excited. I was telling you. I was like, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.600 this is the best club. They're paying everyone amazing. It 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.000 looks gorgeous, the green rooms incredible. And then I just 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.760 found out that fully Alex Jones hangs out there. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.240 Oh my god. It's like sick. You gotta stop with 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:05.840 the fucking Alex Jones, you guys. He Oh my gosh. Anyway, wait, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:07.280 I was just gonna say something to you. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.000 But to think that Joe Rogan and Beyonce are on 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.559 the same level of fame, I'm like, you guys are 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:13.680 truly in a cult. 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.120 You're in a cult. He's like eleven million. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.080 I go, just Instagram followers alone, she probably has two 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.480 hundred something million, and she barely posts, and he's in 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.520 double digits if he's even broken, twenty MILIK like, I 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.480 don't even know. And they go, well, a lot of 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.000 those followers are fake. I go, you're an idiot. I go, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.920 you're all idiots. And Emma, I'm like, you don't even 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.960 have to be a fan of Beyonce. But you know 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.040 her children's names, you know single ladies. You know. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.560 I just found out I'm in the comedy community, and 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.160 I just found out Joe Rogan is married and has kids. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.120 I don't know anything about him. I know all of 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:51.160 Beyonce's information. She has three hundred and twenty eight million followers. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.120 He has sixteen point nine. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.320 It's millionsane, and he goes, well, some of them are fake, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:57.840 and it's like. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.280 Babe, even if half a hard day, even if half 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.760 of her followers are fakes, she has twenty times as 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:04.720 many as Joe Rogan. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.560 And they kept trying to argue, and I straight up gwent, 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.240 I have no I go, I don't need to. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.000 They're literally telling you the sky is green. There's nothing 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.320 you can do, you can't argue, and he goes, stop 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.520 trying to be the bigger person. I go, oh, I'm 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.440 not trying. I don't I know. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:24.480 I'm like, there's nothing that you can say that would 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.320 make you correct in any way. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:27.600 Yeah, And then people are. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.200 Like, well, yeah, but he influences the way people live 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.480 their lives more than Beyonce, it like in terms of 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.720 the and I'm like, you guys are idiots. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.120 This is the same guy that said Whitney Houston's not 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.480 an artist, because this is an La different guy. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.560 The people in LA are obsessed with Joe Rogan to 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.280 a place where they like, I don't know if they 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.360 think that one day they will get anointed by him, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.760 but to him, to them, they. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.520 Are he is a guy. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.640 Yeah, though I think it's delusional to think he's more 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:00.960 famous then Beyonce. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.560 It is literally like one plus one is seven, Like 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.600 it doesn't make any sense. But I was gonna say, 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.600 since we're on the subject, I did see I want 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.680 to dance with somebody on a plane, and I do 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.320 get more emotional on planes. But I really loved it. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.720 I talked to my friend last night, Nicole, and she 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.120 was like, I did not like it. Whinnie Houston did 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.440 crack for twenty years. Why didn't I see any of that? 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.440 I was like, well, it's like a PG thirteen movie 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.520 that they're trying to make about her life. I don't 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.800 think they show. They showed the drug use, of course, 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.960 but they didn't show like twenty she goes, she goes, 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.040 Whitney Houston wore diapers at one point because she would 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.840 just walk around and biss herself. I go, yeah, I 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.480 don't think I want to see that in the movie. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.640 But we can agree to disagree. Maybe in twenty years 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.640 we could get a movie like that. It's a little fresh. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.360 in twenty years we can get the gritty biopic where 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.960 it's got all the horrible shit, it's like so sad. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.400 But this movie was just like nice if you're on Delta. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.840 I just loved, like seeing how she came to fame. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.920 She's like truly a voice of a generation, Like no 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.520 one to me is like Whitney, Like even the best voices, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.200 I feel like no one is as good as her. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.640 But let's get started. This is a great episode and 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:18.359 we gotta go all right, all right. This episode is 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:24.760 called Parole Violations. It's from season sixteen, episode fifteen, and 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.240 we start out with a big ass teddy bear in 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.920 our face and it's being held by Bella Careesi and 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.240 she is played by Maren Ireland, who's been in a 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.440 ton of stuff. She's also in that episode called Confrontation, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.120 which is has the guy from House of Cards who 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.800 assaults women based on their ovulation calendar because he's trying 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.560 to have some sort of like Psycho master Race fantasy. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.440 And so she's in that episode. And now she's been 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.680 brought back as Bella Creesy. I thought she was like recurring, 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.920 but she's only been in this one episode as Bella. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.840 It's so interesting. It's ovulation. I always think of him 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.720 as the piss guy. Oh right, the pis guy. Yeah, 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:06.080 but ovulation is more normal. Yeah, I mean, neither are 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.720 that normal. But yeah, I guess the ware. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.600 But he I thought he was hot in House of Cards. 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:14.640 Oh you did? Yeah? 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.720 I like Michael Keller, Yeah yeah, I like, I mean, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.000 you know it, But what's the like, what's the help 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.440 a Henchman? I guess isn't hot. But I did love 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.240 Doug Stamper in House of cards, and he is he's 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.000 sort of more than a henchman. He's not just like 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.440 hired muscle, because he's kind of a strategist too. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.560 Like he's like, we're gonna make it to the top together, 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:37.679 like Ruthless. 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.080 But he's the first person I would say with a 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.960 bozo haircut that I was like fully attracted to. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.880 He does have a bozo He needs to just give 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.760 up the ghost and shave all the way around. No, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.159 he makes it, you like it. I like him. I 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.960 like him. Well, he's been in a bunch of svs too. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:19:00.399 He was in Slaves. Okay. So she is holding this 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.439 teddy bear and showing Sonny CARRESI, you know our boy crisy. Oh, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.280 I will just call Cariesy from now and I will 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.280 be talking about him and not the sister. And she's like, oh, 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.800 this is how many decorated the baby's room, like a 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.399 crib over dan and then a changing table over that, 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.119 and it's just like a hoarding room that's filled with junk. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.199 And she's just showing him like where she might put stuff. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.399 Carrisee's like, sounds great, but you can tell he's kind 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.560 of judging it. Bella still hasn't told their mom aka 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.480 Sarah Fina Carresi aka Beverly di'angelo, a dear friend of 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.320 the pod, and she hasn't told her yet because she's 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.880 waiting to get hitched to Tommy and mon talk soon 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.400 and this is another SVU Tommy. I'd like to give 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.160 a shout out to our listener, Christina s who has 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.200 emailed us an extensive list with all the Tommies. Yes, 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.760 we've met her, but she I looked up the email 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.840 list yesterday and was like, it is truly mind blowing 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.320 how many Tommies there are in this series. Like I 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.719 need to get to the bottom of, like, what's going on? 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.560 Does someone I think it's just an easy name. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:03.560 It's like Billy, It's like, oh, okay, get Tommy Firefighter. Yeah, 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.520 I mean, it's just a lot of fucking Tommy's. Also 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.159 shout out to my friend Tommy Mack while we're at it. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:10.800 Oh yeah, so many Tommy's. 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.639 The Tommy Sullivan comes in and he is played by 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.200 Michael Chernis, who is in tons of stuff like he's 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.280 in severance right now, but I always know him immediately. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.120 Ask Piper's brother for Orange is the New Black and 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.840 he's about to meet his parole officer. He's like on 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.040 his way and Bella's like, Sonny, what do you think 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.080 Tommy got a promotion? And like he's like, yeah, now 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.680 I'm the head like schlepper because I guess he's a mover. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.720 And Carisey's like, oh, tell your PO about the promotion. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.600 That's brownie points and he's just like I just want 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.119 to get there early so I can leave early. They 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.119 have a doctor's appointment to get their first sonogram blah 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.000 blah blah. So Tommy tells Carisey, oh, did I did 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.000 I tell you I popped the question? Or did she 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:48.679 tell you I pop the question? She's going to make 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.360 an honest man out of him, and Carisey's like, cool, awesome, Yeah, 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.159 you deff seem good enough for my sister. Like you 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.120 can just see he's like great, like and but he's 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.520 like happy for his sister and he hugs her and 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.280 he's like, I am happy for you. So now we 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.440 cut to Tommy in the hallway of his po's office 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.879 and he's got like a twitching leg. He looks anxious 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.040 and he's like he's alway, I actually wrote in my notes. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.640 He looks anxious, leg twitching, et cetera. A listener did 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.560 take the time to message me that I was saying 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.480 et cetera and it's et cetera. So I have corrected 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:20.919 myself and I'm learning and growing here on the podcast. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.000 So what is it? What is it? And what's the 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.639 wrong way? It's etcetera, Like it's et cetera. It's not 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.679 et cetera, like I'm saying it with like an X. 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.879 Oh interesting, Yeah, it's et cetera. It is Latin, so 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.320 you know, we should all be speaking this dead language correctly. 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.480 The po shows up down the hall and it's fucking 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.920 icon to me and Lisa. Susan Sharon from Sex and 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.679 the City aka Molly Price is the actor's name. I 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.240 didn't realize she was on one hundred and thirty episodes 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:52.800 of the show Third Watch, So she's a regular on 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:54.400 that show. If you ever watch that. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.040 That makes me happy that you know, I know she's 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.320 a Schillan's property. 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.879 Yeah, I know, I know she's been good. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.040 And that makes me sleep better at night knowing that 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.400 Susan Sharon is she's retired. 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.320 Yes, well yeah, yeah, totally. I mean that's a fucking 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:14.560 ton of network money in her pocket. So she's also 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.280 been in so many great things, but like that is 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:18.720 the thing that she was on for a long time 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.240 and she I mean, I don't know, she's almost too 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.280 funny for this role. She like comes walking in and 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:25.960 she's like, Tommy Sullivan, you're still here, good for you. 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.400 And then she's obviously kept waiting for a long ass 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:29.640 time and don't give a shit. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:31.480 She is great and I'm glad she got to be 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.240 in just like that because she really livened up that funeral. 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.680 So I hope I bring back Yeah, yeah, I really. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.200 I want more of her. I want more Susan Sharon. 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.800 I mean that's like a good part and a good 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.440 actor because there are a million people on Saturday on 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.280 Sex and the City, and like, I know, we know 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.000 a lot of them in you, especially because you're like 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.560 huge into that show. But like she sticks out. I 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.080 feel like just so many people for that arc that 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:02.639 she did. She's like, apparently he's been waiting herself. 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.280 Also, well, Sex and the City is filled with lessons, 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:10.200 but that one is so I think in everyone because 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.080 it's in everyone's lives, like are you honest or not 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:14.880 with your friends? 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.040 When you don't like their significant other. 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.640 Yeah, And I feel like people think about Susan Sharon often. 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:22.800 Because of that. 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:24.480 That's a lesson you think about a lot, Like you 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.399 might not always have to think about some of the 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:31.240 other goofiness, you know, like not you might not be like, oh, I'm. 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.719 Blowing a guy who has bad smelling sperm or whatever. 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.560 That might not be your thing. But like everybody has 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.159 met a spouse or a boyfriend or girlfriend of a 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.520 friend and been like not for me. 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.959 Yeah, like not everyone has yeah, has a premature ejaculator 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.919 or someone that needs to fuck with porn or is 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.040 all these weird things, but everyone's like, fuck, am I 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:55.320 honest with my friend or not? 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:57.480 Or do you put up with us? Or should they leave? 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:58.240 Or should they not? 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.560 And she was fun and she kept talking about him 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:02.600 and then the dog. 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:04.800 You know, it's like but then, don't you think there's 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.240 like kind of another weird like lesson or at least 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:09.199 something to think about in that one where it's like 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.520 they kind of this they're like this couple that like 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.320 gets off on fighting, Like even though everyone's like leave, leave, 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:17.800 then she's like she like loves fighting with him, Like 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:18.920 aren't they isn't. 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.960 Well, yeah, but then the dog like saves them, so 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.880 then they're they're not fighting with the dog at the end. 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:28.119 So maybe they did need the dog to not fight, 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:32.199 or or they are repeating, you know, bad habits from 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.040 their past that they like to fight with each other. 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:38.159 I have no idea, but yeah, she did, you know, 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.400 but I think they stayed friends. Like I don't think 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:43.280 Susan Sharon really cares or listens to what anyone else 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.600 is saying, right, I don't think she remembered that Carrie 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.320 was like leave him. But it wasn't even that they 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.800 were fighting. He was yelling with her there. 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.479 That was weird, right, I think I think about that 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:58.119 couple a lot when, like I see a couple where 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.480 the man's being like rude and abusive in front of 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.800 other people, like cause it was kind of more. There's 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.280 people's spouses I meet where I'm like, I just don't 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:08.359 like you. I don't think you're being bad to my friend, 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:09.840 I just don't like you. And then there's like this 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.760 Susan Sharon couple too, where it's like he's being very 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.679 emotionally abusive, but then it kind of seems like she's like, 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:17.560 let me handle this. I could do it, you know, 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.320 like maybe she kind of I don't think she likes it, 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.720 but maybe that's like people have generational trauma. That could 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.720 be how they think relationships go one hundred percent. Because 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:30.000 also it's like I doubt Susan Sharon's constantly bringing friends 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.439 home in the middle of the night. Sure, well, I 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.560 don't like her in this show because no keeping somebody 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.919 waiting for two plus hours. This poor guy has been 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:43.000 waiting since two o'clock. He had a doctor's appointment at four, 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:45.159 and she's like, oh, what was the thing at four 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:46.960 o'clock because he didn't say it was a doctors appointment, 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.520 and he's really beating around the bush like not telling 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.160 her what the thing was, and she's like, you should 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:53.040 have made it for a different day, and he's like, well, 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.679 it's actually for my fiance, Bella's she's pregnant and it 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.480 was a doctor appointment for her and Donna, which is 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.240 I do want to call her Susan Sharin the whole time, 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:04.919 but her name is Donna Marshall. And Donna looks like 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:07.040 she's been kind of sucker punched when she finds out 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.760 he's engaged, and she's pregnant, and then she goes around 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.080 and gets him a cup and is like, oh, I 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:13.680 think we need to do a urine test and he's 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.639 like right here, and she's like yeah, the bathroom is 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:20.200 flooded and he goes still, which implies that she's used 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.399 this excuse before, and she goes, you can decline and 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.000 I'll ship your ass up state right now. Fucked up. 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.800 And then she closes the blinds and he has this 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.560 like panic book on his face, like he's definitely being, 0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:33.440 you know, about to be forced to do something he 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:37.800 doesn't want to do. Cut to CARIESI trapesing around the 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.840 precinct with a box of Canoli's, like a full caricature 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.680 like he was at the beginning, and he gives one 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.680 to Rollins. Tomorrow's like no, and then she's like, don't 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.119 make me eat alone. It's like cop sweet talk or 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:53.160 whatever about like fatty pastries. And then Bella barges in 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.040 and he's like, Soney, where have you been. I've been 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.520 texting you all morning. Tell me didn't come home last night, 0:26:57.560 --> 0:26:59.360 and his phone is going straight to voicemail. So she's 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.359 in a full panic. Obviously, Big bro Sonny's gonna figure 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.040 this out. We cut immediately to the eleventh Precinct where 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:09.600 Carisee's walking out of this police station with Tommy because 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.520 he got into some kind of like wasted bar fight 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.199 the night before, and I guess he's been in like 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.960 a holding or the drunk tank the night before. So 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.920 Carisey's like, I'm not covering for you with Bella. Also, 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.520 your po's gonna find out, and he goes, yeah, I'm 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.280 not that worried about that, and he's like, well you 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.960 should be because he's and he's like, no, my po's 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.439 a woman. And then very quickly it just comes out 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.359 where he's like, she made me do her like and 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.720 Caresey flips his shit and he's like, you cheated on 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:39.080 my pregnant sister like pulls Tommy like slams them up 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.119 against a police cruiser and he's like, I didn't want to. 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:45.159 She pulled her gun. Please don't tell Bella. And then 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.600 we're at the credits, so of course he's gonna that's 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:48.119 his sister. 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:53.560 Yeah, you think bro code over family then you don't know, Sonny. Yeah, 0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:55.760 And it's like when we find out very soon they've 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.960 got a long history with this family. He's never picking 0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:01.120 you over Bella and Careasey at the top of Act 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:03.600 one is telling Live the whole situation. It sounds like 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.960 Tommy's been kind of walking the line for a while 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.040 between being a fuck up and getting his shit together, 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.159 and just when they think he's gonna like turn it 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.480 all around, he usually fucks up again and lives like 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.320 there's no perfect victims. You know, she's always like seeing 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.399 the full side of it, and Caresey explains how Tommy 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.200 basically decided to combine weed with delivering pizza. 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.359 You know what an entrepreneur. If you ask me, I 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.320 don't think that sounds like he didn't fucking murder anyone. 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.800 He wasn't dealing crack. I mean weed and pizza they 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.320 kind of go hand in hand. He got three years 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.560 in jail for that, hope that probably wouldn't be such 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.000 a heavy offense today, and his sister waited for him. 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.000 The sister Bella waited for him while he did that. 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.760 Now he's out on parole and now this Live tries 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.880 to convince Caresy that Tommy's a victim and needs to 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.600 support and Tommy doesn't even understand that he was assaulted. 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.960 Caresey explains that Tommy claims that after the urine test, 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.000 she pulled the gun forced him to have sex, and 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.280 that he but Caresee's like he must have been into 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.480 it or it wouldn't have worked. And this is like 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:03.880 a theme that goes on through the entire episode is 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.040 like how do you get a boner if you don't 0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.200 like it? And it's like in twenty fifteen, I'm just 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.880 surprised that that's still like a well, this is. 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.280 What I'm gonna say. It's twenty fifteen for us. We've 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.280 been watching s to you for a while. But Sonny 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:17.120 just joined the force. 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:18.560 That's true. That's true. 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.000 Monny's just a bumble ahead from Saten Islands. He doesn't 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.360 he doesn't understand that men can get raped. 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:26.640 Yeah, but even doing. 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.680 Research for this crime, all the news articles are like 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.840 they won't call it rape. It is like interesting, whoa, 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:38.520 it's all like for forced into sex, like it is 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:44.080 forced into sexual interport. Yeah that's rape, Like all the 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:50.200 language won't say wow. So it is like even now, 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:54.120 I mean internet comments I just read for rage, but 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.360 I'm sure the internet would be like most people won't 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:57.160 believe it. 0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:01.440 Yeah, yeah, now you know, yeah, Yeah, it's just like 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.960 it just keeps popping up, like every single person we 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:06.440 meet in this episode is like, but how'd he get 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:06.880 the boner? 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:14.160 So it's really confusing and so kay laughing like bono. 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.160 But how do you get the boner? Is that merch? Okay? 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:22.320 So like, basically Cariesy doesn't believe male rape as possible. 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.760 And this is like rule number one for US view detectives. 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:28.880 People can get sexually aroused in assault situations, like they 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.400 say even like sometimes women can like orgasm during a 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.520 sexual assault, Like it's not it's just like a bodily 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.560 response and lives gives Live gives coursy shit like and 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.640 he's like he's a victim and he's certainly not gonna 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:43.800 trust you with any of the details or opening up 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.440 to you the way you're acting. So now live in tomorrow, 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.320 go see Tommy at his job. He doesn't really want 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.480 to talk to them. It looks fucking freezing and he's moving. 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:52.280 I'm like, can you guys like catch up with him 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.760 during lunch? Like this is they got to stop him. 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.600 He's like they can all see their breath. These guys 0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:00.440 are moving huge arm wars and lives like, look, you're 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.040 just going to go to your po next week and 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.040 hope this doesn't happen again, and he's like, yeah, I 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.320 only have three months left. I'll suck it up and 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.280 lives like this is not your fault and it's not 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.240 just going to go away. And Tommy's like, no one's 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.479 going to believe in ex con about something like this, 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.640 and it is really sad and unfair, Like ricidivism is 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:18.480 like sort of based in a lot of the fact 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.800 that these people are so ex convicts are so easy 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.400 to take advantage of because they don't think anyone will 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.320 believe them, and many times nobody will believe them about anything. 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:28.800 So they say, go to the hospital when you get 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.760 off work. We need you to get tested for evidence. 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.160 But also Sti's it's like this man is not showered. 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:34.840 I guess they just want to make sure that he 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.040 might have like some of her DNA on him still, 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.600 but like, yeah, you have a pregnant wife, like your 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.240 frick pregnant fiance, Like you should get tested for STIs 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:47.000 just in case, And they're kind of getting to him 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:48.680 with that. He's like, oh, I haven't thought about that, 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.400 and so like the guys he's working with are like 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.640 get a little help over here. And he's like, all right, 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.920 just come by tomorrow, bring the clothes you're wearing, and 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.480 we'll take your statement. So now we're at the precinct 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.440 and Rollins, I feel like one of the reasons that 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.200 we've all been up and down with Rawlins is because 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.479 she is the first person to be like, I don't know, 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.720 Like she's very skeptical. She's like, there's no witnesses, the 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.640 victim not even want to might not even want to 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.320 pursue charges. And then they're like, no, Tommy came in 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.840 and gave a statement. He's reluctant but consistent, and Caresee's like, 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:17.960 I want to know if he's credible. Rollins is like, 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.880 I'm really not buying it, and she goes it looks 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:25.000 bad that he didn't disclose until after the parole violation. Drink. 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.840 That's the name of the episode. If you're listening to 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.040 this on a Tuesday morning, please drink in your car. 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.440 Liv tells Caresey, you know you can't be part of 0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:35.480 this investigation, and then let's all watch us. He is 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:38.160 fully part of the investigation for the rest of the episode, 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.360 but she says, you can walk your sister, Bella and 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.360 Tommy through like what's going on and what's going to 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:44.960 happen in the future. And so he's like, all right, 0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.160 I guess I'll go do that now. She's like, yeah, 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.760 on your way. So now live in rollins gather around 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:53.040 Tomorrow's computer for the breakdown of Donna Marshall aka Susan Sharon. 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:54.720 She's a master in social work. She was at the 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:55.640 top of her class. 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.200 She's been in that office showl because you know, my 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.600 theory is good people do social work sociology, bad people 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:07.560 do criminal justice. So the fact that she did social 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.560 work is a fork in my theory. 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:13.840 Well, I don't know, let's talk about it when we 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.680 get later into the episode, like what the where the Donna? 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.840 Where Donna went off the tracks? You know what I mean? 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.160 Like maybe it's possible. Like when she graduated college, she 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.200 really was like I'm gonna help these people, I'm gonna 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.640 do good and then like you know, she got broken 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.040 at some point. So anyway, she has the lowest recidivism 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.320 rate in the department. She's been there for ten years. 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:36.000 She's very like highly respected. So and just the way 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.400 she speaks like it could be my ASMR. 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.920 I can go to bed, said Susan Sharon playing Donna, 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.080 Like the way she says detective in this, the way 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.640 she says recidivism like her nails in that, like she 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:55.680 is she is mother, like she is the moment, like. 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:55.080 Like she is a criminal. 0:33:55.320 --> 0:34:00.400 She's bad, but like I love like aesthetically, the way 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.800 she sounds like I am in love with her. 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.680 It's oh my gosh, I hope she's I hope somebody 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:07.920 she knows listens to this podcast and sends her and 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.600 is like, do you want like a full twenty minute 0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:15.560 like compliment because here it is on this podcast detective 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:21.000 like a detective, Yeah, detective Yeah. And she's like she's 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.399 like I had a moment of weakness. I'm human, Like yeah, 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.160 she's so funny. Rollins is like, uh, dude, the Department 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.439 of Corrections is going to stonewall the shit out of us, 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:31.400 Like you think cops put up a front, like the 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:33.640 doc is even worse or whatever, which we've seen other 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:37.080 episodes where there's office where there's correctional officers involved and 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.640 they all do cover for each other, like the Ray 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.360 Romano's brother Brad Garrett episode. Yeah. So liv tells the 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.360 skeptical Rollins and Tomorrow that if genders were reversed, they 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.680 would be handling this totally differently. We all saw his affect, 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.040 we see how he's acting. Why don't we handle this 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.239 like it's a woman making a complaint against a male 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.120 po And so in the next scene, they're bringing in 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:02.880 Donna Marshall's who is a guy named Ralph Kessel and 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.359 he's like, Lol, somebody's making a claim. These x cons 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.279 are all scumbags. I'm sure it's bullshit, but just in case, 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.719 I'll play along. Who is it? And then they say 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.000 Donna and he goes, uh, you know she's a woman, right, 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:16.880 and it's like, yeah, no one thinks somebody named Donna 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.880 is a man. But also like it's just wild, like 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.600 the that women cannot commit any kind of sex crime 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.800 to all of these people in this episode, and Benson's like, ah, yes, 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.080 we are aware, and so he immediately assumes it's a 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.480 lesbian victim and then they're like, no, it's a male victim, 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.680 and he immediately laughs. And Benson explains that a gun 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:37.920 was pulled and that Tommy felt he had to comply, 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.719 and then he goes, comply sounds like my wife, and 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:46.160 Amaro goes, ha, mine too, and it's like Tomorrow, you 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.799 and Maria have like never kissed before. I can't believe 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:50.920 it in a million years. So like, I don't know 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:52.719 what you're doing. And I think that's like one of 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.839 my issues with Tomorrow is I can never really tell 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.920 if he's being a misogynistic asshole or he's like playing 0:35:57.960 --> 0:35:59.560 the game to get on the good side of these 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.919 people in this episode. Whatever he's doing here doesn't really 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:06.200 pay off. So I'm just left thinking that he thinks 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.640 it's cool to act like, you know, sex with your 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.719 wife is complying like so. 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.440 But he isn't a loveless marriage, I think. But because 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.160 we don't know why they got married, Like did they 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.839 get married because someone is going to Iraq? Or did 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:23.200 he get her like pregnant? Like what did they love 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.840 each other? Like I don't know, I don't know the 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:28.960 I don't know their origins. 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.560 Yeah, he's never been like at the beginning, it was great, 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:34.640 we were crazy about each other, and then things change. 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.839 I mean, like it feels like they grew apart when 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:41.719 she was a like overseas like deployed. But you know what, 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:44.520 I just feel like it is weird to be like 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.799 comply sounds like my wife. It's like, yeah, your wife 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.600 has the right to tell you notice sex any fucking 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.960 time she wants, and so that's your life. And Ralph's like, 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.239 give me the name of this lying sob and Live 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.759 does not give it because this man is trash. And 0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.560 so now we are back at Tommy and Bella's place 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:04.080 and uh oh, Italian girl knows everything, and she is mad, mad, mad. 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.160 She is furious at Sonny for defending him. She's like, hey, 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.319 shade it on me, and like you now you're defending him, 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:15.120 And Corisie and Tommy are trying to explain to her 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.920 that this was non consensual and it was assault, but 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.440 she's like, you can't even fuck in my parents' house 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.520 with them sleeping two doors down, but you can get 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.120 it up with a gun to your head. That's her 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:29.160 theory again, how'd you get a boner? And then suddenly, 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.959 in the middle of all this Italian screaming back and forth, 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.320 there's a knock at the door and it's done done 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:39.040 Donna Marshall. She's doing a random home inspection and Tommy's like, 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:40.920 what's this all about? And she's like, why don't you 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.400 shut the fuck up? And then she goes into the 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.799 bedroom and comes back and approximately half a second with 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.680 big bags of oxy contin, and Tommy's like I never 0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.080 saw any of that, and then they cuffed Tommy and 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.160 Creasy's like, don't say anything till you get a lawyer. 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.640 He has not revealed himself at all to be a cop. 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.400 And then Donna's like, yeah, Tommy, better call Saul. 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:03.560 Like nice, and then that show was even on already, 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:04.239 damn time. 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:08.160 Oh yeah, five fifteen. Well it may not have been 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.319 Better Call Saul may not have been on, but in 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.680 the show Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul is like his 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.279 calling card, so it could have just been a Breaking 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.319 Bad reference. So they leave. Bella's distraw like why didn't 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.440 you tell them you're a cop? And Crazy's like that 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.560 would not have helped in this situation. I don't know 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.680 if I agree with that, but like, if he had 0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.920 first identified himself as a cop, I think she may 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.160 have thought twice about planting the drugs. She'd been like, Hi, 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.759 I'm Detective Sonny Creasy from SPU. I don't know if 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.080 she would have been so ballsy to plant drugs, you 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:40.160 know what I mean. So anyway, top of act two, 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.719 we're in like some kind of jail like holding or 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.520 temporar like jail. But Tommy's in his orange jumpsuit swearing 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:50.200 to Careasy that those were not his drugs, and Tommy's like, 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:52.120 she planted them. She must have found out I was 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.799 accusing her. Did you guys tell her? And Caresee's like, 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:57.520 of course we didn't, and Tomorrow's like, oh, we definitely did. 0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.960 We just talked to her boss, who she's a pair 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.200 currently heavy best friends with, and Tommy's like, those two 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:06.239 are thickest thieves, which just reminds me of Jersey Housewives. 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:10.239 And Lisa did get me a onesie for Oscar when 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:11.680 he was born. That says, let me tell you something 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.040 about my family. We're thickest thieves, which I still have 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:15.799 and I'm reading to give to the right baby that 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.839 I know. And Caresy is like, we have to show 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:21.840 that she had a reason to plant those drugs, and 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.560 Tommy's like, of course, he thinks no one will believe him, 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.879 and Carisey goes, I do, And this makes Tommy feel 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.279 better that his like brother soon to be brother in law, 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.439 who's never really liked him, is like, I'm on your side. 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.680 I believe you now tomorrow and criese, you're updating Live. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:39.080 They're going to test the baggies of of oxy for DNA. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.279 Can we also get like, where's the rush on that 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.840 DNA from his clothes? Find out from the lab and 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:46.160 Live tells Careesy that Tommy's in for a fight with 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.000 this rape charge and he's like, yeah, my sister's pissed 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:50.919 at him and lives like, well he did the right thing, 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.200 so like coming forward, So now out in like what 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:55.959 do you call the area where all the cops sit, 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.600 like the pen, the bullpen? I think it is called 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:04.719 like a bullpen, bullpen. I was like the quad. Rollins 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.600 is still sally skeptical and is like, well, Tommy is 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.400 a dealer, and it's like that was weed and he 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.320 doesn't even do that anymore. And then like he's getting 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:14.759 his life together and it's like, but he did get 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:16.839 into a bar fight. It's like Rollin's you're so far 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.680 from perfect. You're just like refusing to admit that this 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.719 guy like could be just a good guy who's being 0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.560 like set up. And he says, no, things were going 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:26.600 good for Tommy and she goes, well, some people can't 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.759 handle that, and they self sabotage, and I think that 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.680 she's projecting a little because I think she does that 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.360 like if she like when she first met Carisi, like 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.480 an actual nice guy who liked her, and she was 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.200 just like, Bye, I'm gonna go fuck bartenders in West Virginia, 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.040 see you later. You know, I think that Rowlins doyes 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:44.120 a little bit of self sabotage, and Carisy's like, bitch. 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.040 I was there when she found the drugs and she 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.000 was like a damn bloodhound. It was like less than 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.160 a minute, like there's no way. And Rolin goes, well, 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.160 someone is lying and walks off, and Carisy goes, well, 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.480 she's big on tough love, huh, And it's like you're 0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:00.439 gonna find out soon enough. Sir and Amaro explained that 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:05.040 Rollin's sister has played her ass a bunch and that like, 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.160 you know, that's where she comes from, being skeptical about 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.799 like family stuff, and he's like, well, her family isn't 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:12.400 my family, and Amarro's like, but Tommy isn't even your family, 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.640 Bella is you got to look out for her. And 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:16.760 then just then they get a call the touch DNA 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.200 on the clothes is back in and guess what Donna 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.600 Saliva is present plus fluids. She just like drooled all 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:26.439 over this mandaring sex. Okay, so even if she had sex, 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.560 even if they had consensual sex, that's against the law 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:30.480 because she's like in a position of power against him. 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.640 So she wrote the law and the good and that's 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.120 good news. And he's like, yeah, try telling that to 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:39.120 Bella Caraci, She's not gonna hear it. So Carisi is 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:41.440 chasing Bella down the street now, and she's like not 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:43.759 having any of the shit. She's stressed. She's thinking about 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.480 moving in with her parents, and Carisi goes, I cannot 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.600 stress what an insane idea that is? And I really 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.120 like that. He's like, you cannot move in with mom 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.200 and dad, And she's like, I've dealt with this shit 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:57.600 for ten years. Like I guess they've been together ten 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.000 years with him fucking up and then the jail she waited. 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.200 It's like, I think she's just been waiting a decade 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.040 for this man to get his shit together and grow up. 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.360 But now he's cheated. And then she brings up the 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.000 other sisters and like that they don't like Tommy and 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:13.400 CARIESI goes, uh, to be fair, our sisters are fucking nuts. 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.600 He goes, Teresa won't talk to a guy who makes 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.880 less than six figures, and Gina's been engaged ten times, 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:20.960 Like it's really funny, and I really want to know 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.400 who would be cast as Teresa and Gina, who well. 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.719 Not cast But I obviously was like, this is so 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:31.920 Jersey Housewives, Like she's Danielle Stob Okay, so what are 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:32.520 their names? 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.799 Teresa? And she won't talk to anybody who's under like 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:40.600 who's poor? Like she needs a rich guy? Okay, And 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:42.840 I feel like it's got out. We got to stay blonde, 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.160 blue eyed with this, like even though there must be 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.880 Northern Italian because they're very light complected for these heavily 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:52.520 Italian people. I didn't know what would be casting. I 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:56.239 wish you'd give me. I don't know. I know next time, 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.759 I'll like send you an email and be like, oh, 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.680 do you think Megan Fayie can do a Staten Island accent? Yes? 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:06.360 Yes, bring back Megan Faith Yes with a Staaten Island accent. 0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.640 And she's she's Gina because I could see her getting 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.680 engaged ten times. I really could. She's Gina Teresa. 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:16.960 I mean the only person I'm thinking of is Margot Robbie, 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.080 But like, I don't know if Margot Robbie is gonna 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.600 be playing a Carreasi at the moment. 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.840 Yeah, do you think Amanda Seifered can do a Staten 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:27.560 Island accent? 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.759 So we're so these so we're only casting within the 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:31.920 SVU universe. 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.160 Oh no, I just literally googled and she popped up. 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.320 I'm not trying to on purpose, but it would be 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:41.000 funny if all these people just came back because Beverly 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.879 D'Angel has been a character, Caresi's been a character, They've 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:47.240 all been characters before, and then the whole Careasi family 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.160 is just recast people. That would be funny. Yeah, I 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.520 would totally. Yeah, let's do let's do that. Let's totally 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.120 do that. I feel like there was also another episode 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:56.799 where wasn't it. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:01.759 Oh Julia Garner, that's a funny one. That's fun Oh yeah, yeah. 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.600 She can do it. She can do any accent as 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.800 we know. Why are you so poor? Oh that's perfect. 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:07.719 She can just do her Annadelviy character with a Saten 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.320 Island accent. She's like, oh you seem very poor. We 0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:14.640 cannot date, Okay, so you can anyway, can do it. Honestly, 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.000 I'll dye my hair blonde and play a Carisi. I 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:22.160 would love it. She okay. So he's basically like, do 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.319 not listen to our crazy bitch sisters please, and she's like, oh, 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:27.680 you suddenly love Tommy and he's like, look, the guy's 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.800 fucked up a lot, but this isn't one of those times. 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:33.480 And she admits to Sonny that she's thinking of terminating 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.279 the pregnancy, like this is all too much for her. 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.160 She's only ten weeks so long, and Carisie's little Catholic 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.759 heart is breaking at that idea. But Bella is like, 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.840 I'm too stressed. I can't raise a kid on my own. 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.080 She goes back into her apartment and Carisy looks like 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.600 he's gonna cry, like he was really looking forward to 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:51.799 meeting this niece or nephew. And so now top of 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.759 AC three, we've got Livin Rollins an interrogation with Donna 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:58.279 Marshall and her lawyer, whose name is Mickey DiAngelo no 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:02.239 relation because he's a fictional character, but he's been this 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.360 a lawyer in six episodes as this character. The actor's 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.840 name is Joseph Lyle Taylor and he's been Mickey D'Angelo 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:11.720 in six episodes, a bunch of like season sixteen, seventeen eighteen, 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:15.120 I feel like nineteen maybe, And they're like, okay, so 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.360 you admit you had sex with a Paroli and Mickey 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:21.160 d is like initiated by Tommy and Susan Sharon. She's 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.719 truly like such a Sex and the City character here. 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.640 She's like, I'm human. I had a moment of weakness. 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:29.040 Like she's kind of like grinning about like them having 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.239 like hot office sex or whatever. And she describes the 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.520 whole scene where like Tommy gave her a massage and 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.799 he started kissing me and she said it was a 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.759 bad idea, but he was aggressive. And then they're like 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:41.640 did you say no? And she goes, when I say no, 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:44.280 people listen, And he didn't rape me, and I certainly 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:48.320 didn't rape him. She admits to performing oral sex on 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.600 him and them having intercourse and she's like, I've been 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:53.560 divorced for five years and it just felt good to 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:57.680 be wanted. And they're like, okay, so, like, did you 0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.640 know he put in three requests to change po And 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.839 she's like, well that's not surprising. I'm the toughest one, 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:04.480 and he's like, but if you're so tough, why would 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.560 he try to hit on you? That feels like a 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.520 far shot to hit and she goes, paroles are manipulative. 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.000 They think they have the upper hand. And then Rollins 0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:15.719 is like, isn't it your job to not let them 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.480 have the upper hand. It's like okay, Rollins. And then 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:20.640 they're like do you have a gun? Like where was 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:22.640 your gun during this? And she's like, yeah, I carry 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.680 and then she starts laughing like you think I held 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:28.360 him at gunpoint? L ol. She goes, he was ready, 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.680 willing and able, and again the boner is proof. Everybody 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.960 cannot stop talking about this man's boner. They get up 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.640 to leave and Donna is like, this guy is a criminal, 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:40.279 a liar, and a recidivist. He came on to me, 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.719 and now he's backtracking because his pregnant girlfriend found out 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:44.960 he cheated on her. And then as she walks out, 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.840 she gives Olivia this wild, like atta boy slap on 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:51.239 the arm. It's really funny actually, and I wonder if 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.160 she improvised it, because Olivia is like, the fuck, Like, 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.799 I'm a sergeant and you just like smacked me on here, 0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.840 like in your bowling league with you and the lawyer 0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:02.319 is it's like, if you believe a scumbag over a 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.359 fellow officer, you should be ashamed, and like, I don't 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.640 know if it's real or not, and I don't want 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.560 to I don't want to mean anyone who's in corrections 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:11.800 because that sounds like a very hard job. In this show, 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:16.560 it doesn't feel like cops treat pos and like corrections 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.720 officer people as like the same as them. It feels 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:21.279 like they feel like they're lower on the totem pole 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.640 in from what I garnered from ASVU. I don't know 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.439 if that's in real life. And so they they leave 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.720 and Amorro's got like he's like, I've got the results 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.000 of the drug test. Baggies. There's no DNA from Tommy 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.600 on the packaging, so there's no proof he touched any 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:37.200 of it. And they found touch DNA belonging to a 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:39.839 guy named Jordan Delfi who's a parole drug dealer. And 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:44.240 guess who his PO is. Ding Dong is Donna Marshall. 0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.000 So now we're at Jordan's apartment and he's got his 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.440 girlfriend and his baby there. Amaro and Rollins start tossing 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.560 the place immediately, Rollin's just like, who's just like Donna? 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:58.000 Rollins finds that oxy with the quickness, and they go, 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.360 Donna's been your PO for three years and you passed 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.920 all your drug tests. And he's like, Donna made me 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:04.960 give her that oxy. And they're like, in exchange for 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.000 what clean drug tests? And he goes, yeah, she knows 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:09.120 how to add just the right amount of vinegar to 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:11.600 urine so that I can pass these tests. Is that real? 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.279 I wonder if that's real. I should have googled it, 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.840 but I didn't. And he says he provides other services 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:20.719 to Donna as well to assure the clean drug tests. 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:22.319 And they're like, what do you mean And he's like, 0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.719 she's a divorce lonely lady. Use your imagination. When she 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.480 says it's time for a piss test, the pants come down, 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:30.880 and he says he once tried to say no, but 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.080 she pulled the gun out. So here we go matching stories. 0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:36.600 So now live in crist you're talking to Barba, and 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.160 Barba's like, okay, so both victims will testify an open 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:42.040 court and they're like, yep, they will. Barba says, I've 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.960 never taken a case like this to court, and I 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.000 don't know a da who has. And I'm like, we 0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:50.040 in season three they take female rapists to court on 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.160 this show, so I know that they have before, like 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.439 the Casey Novack episode where she's not Casey Novack. Forget 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:56.520 what that one's called, but you know what I mean, 0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:00.920 where the women like rape a stripper and I just. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.600 Yeah, but I don't think they're found guilty for that crime. 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:07.880 They're found guilty for murdering their murdering the girl. Yeah yeah, 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:09.319 but he's yeah. 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.840 So he's saying, like, no one's ever taken a female 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.000 rapist to court in New York, Like this isn't gonna 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:15.520 This is gonna be really tough, and he's like, the 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.359 hard part is convincing a jury that a woman can 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:20.440 rape a man at all. So again, this feels like 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:22.440 something they would have done in like the early twenty's, 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:24.800 but twenty fifteen, I feel like we were past this anyway. 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:28.400 At Liv's apartment, she's giving Bella all these hand me 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:30.839 downs from Noah and a cup of herbal tea, and 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.759 she's like trying to assure Bella. She's like, I've been 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:35.520 doing this for a really long time. I know that 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:37.720 these assaults can be really hard on victims but also 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:41.000 on their families. Everything Tommy has told us has checked out. 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:43.120 He is not making this up. He did not want 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.640 this to happen. And again she's like, but the boner, 0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:47.759 how could the boner happen with a gun to his head? 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:52.239 And Benson goes it's a mechanical response, like a sneeze, 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.880 or like crying when you cut onions. Like when you 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.920 cut onions, tears come out of your eyes, but you're 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:58.880 not sad, which is a good metaphor for this. I 0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:01.040 feel like and she's trust me, bitch, I've been doing 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.160 this for like a million years. I've seen it. All 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.719 this happens, and then little Noah squeaks awake, and I 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.879 do like this Noah. He's very cute. He's got big 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:12.280 cheeks and like long hair. He's cute. And he meets 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.120 Bella and she's like immediately all smiles. So it's like, 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.840 I guess she's keeping the baby. But in court, Coreesi 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:22.439 is on the stand and Barbara is wrapping up with him, 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:25.680 and now Donna' Laura lawyer Mickey Dee stands up and 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:28.920 he's like didn't Tommy tell you about his alleged assault 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.360 after you picked him up from jail? And he knows 0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:33.640 that you're an SVU detective, so maybe he was just 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:35.880 trying to get your sympathy after he cheated on your sister. 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:38.440 And he points out how Tommy didn't even think he 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:41.120 was raped and only use that term after talking to 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:44.120 Live and the SVU people, and they pan to Donna, 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:46.160 and she looks smug as hell, and her hair looks 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.920 very good for like a woman who's a parole officer. 0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:51.560 I feel like, I mean, I show me a picture 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.880 of a parole officer who has shiny, silky hair like this. 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.960 It looks really beautiful. And now Tommy is on the 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.480 stand describing how Donna made him lian his and when 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.640 he hesitated, she pulled the gun, so he did whatever 0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:05.919 she said. She handcuffed his wrist to her desk. Then 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.680 she sked his d as we used to say at 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:12.520 summer camp. Now she gave him oral you know sex, 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.200 and then well but it wouldn't be called oral sex, right, 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.960 She forcibly, you know, copulated him, and then she got 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.800 on top of him for forcible penetration, and he was angry, 0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:23.839 and terrified. He was worried about Bella and that she 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.640 was going to shoot him or send him back to jail. 0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:27.799 He's like, you got to understand, these pos have all 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.760 the power over us. Like and so now her asshole 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.840 lawyer is on the stand and is like, wow, the 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.560 boner even with a gun to your head and the cuffs, 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:38.240 and it's like, you guys should have had a doctor 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.680 come in first and be like, yes, you can get 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:42.759 a boner under duress, Like that would have been a 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.719 good like baseline to start with, just so they can 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:48.680 stop bringing this up to like him a million times. 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:52.120 So then this lawyer is like, so, what's more likely 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.680 that this decorated officer raped you and went to your 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:57.000 house and planted drugs or that you got arrested and 0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:59.400 this decorated officer went to check on you and found 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:01.680 the drugs and then you cried rapes. And it's like, 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:03.919 but that's not the order that things happened. The rape 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.640 cry was before the drugs, and there's many cops that 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.080 can attest to that. So I hate this man. Barbara 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.799 keeps objecting and having things stricken and like this he's 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:14.839 one of these lawyers that doesn't care when it's like 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:18.239 objection moved to strike, okay, stricken from the record, he 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:19.799 doesn't care. He just moves on. I think he knows 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.560 the jury is still hearing his point. And by the way, 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.560 the judge in this episode is Judge Karen Blake. She's 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.920 been in nineteen episodes of SVU. The actress's name is 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:32.759 Amy Brabson and she is married to Andre Brower, whoa 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:38.160 power couple. Yeah, damn, they're married. They got three kids, 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:41.359 she is, and he's an SVU alum and you know, 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:45.920 a Brooklyn nine favorite, and yeah, she's been in tons 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:49.800 of episodes of s for You. Anyway, she grants a recess. 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.399 Tommy goes and apologizes to Barbara and he's like, sorry, 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.919 he was twisting all my words and he's like, Barbara goes, 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:56.960 you did fine, but in a way that it's like 0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:00.440 you did not do fine. And he's like he's like, 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:02.920 the attorney wants to know how the drugs got in there. Well, 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.200 Jordan Dolphy's about to tell them, and so Barbara I 0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:10.920 just called him Barbara. So Barbarbara goes outside looking for 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.040 Jordan and they can't find him, and there's this like 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:17.160 courthouse officer who's like, oh, that's like squirrely little guy. 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:18.640 He was Jones and for a smoke, so I told 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.920 him to go outside. They all run outside. Jordan is gone. 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.320 They try to scold this officer like how could you 0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:25.919 let him walk out of here? And he's like, uh, 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:29.040 not my job, and they're like he's a material witness 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.799 and he goes, now he's immaterial, So I guess if 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.759 he walks back in here, I'll find him. But until then, 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:38.840 fuck off, Like this officer gives like less the zero 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:42.879 fucks about helping these use few detectives. And Barbara at 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.200 the top of act four is begging the judge for 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.040 a continuance. They're like, we've done an exhaustive search all 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.640 night for Jordan and we can't find him. And she's like, well, 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:54.960 but that other guy, Mickey Die goes she's got my 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:56.920 client's got a write to a speedy trial. And the 0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.000 judge is like, you're right, and she denies the continue 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.440 and then she goes, so are you gonna call any 0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:05.920 more witnesses? And she's and Barbara goes, Dolphie was our 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:09.160 last witness, So it looks like the prosecution rests. So 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.719 then the Nikky DiAngelo goes, well, then we'll call our 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:17.400 first witness, Jordan Dolphie, and Barba goes, excuse me in 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:21.400 a way that I would that is so vitriolic that 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:23.480 I would like if I was on the receiving end 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.000 of this excuse me from Barbara, I would truly like 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.680 piss my pants and like curl into a ball. Like 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:34.120 he is livid, and this like jackass lawyer is like, yeah, 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:36.080 Jordan Dolphie came to us in the dead of the 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:38.560 night and says his confession was coerced by the police, 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:42.640 and Barbara is fiuaeus. So now Jordan is on the 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.719 stand saying, oh, yeah, the cops said that if I 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.960 made a deal to testify against Donna, they would, you know, 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.120 like take away a drug charge for me or whatever. 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.480 And so like basically, this whole case against her is 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:57.839 trumped up, and she's been so good to me and 0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:01.280 I can't have her go to down for something I did. 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:03.680 I'm the one that sold Tommy all that oxy. She 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.360 had nothing to do with it. And then it's Barba's 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.839 turn to go up there, and he looks like he's 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.960 about to dig into a juicy steak like a Wagoo 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:16.879 beef steak. Like he's like, oh, hi, JORDI, Wow, you 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:20.520 really just quoted Sandoval from vander Pump. I did. 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:26.120 Yeah, that's what he talked about. Katie So oh a 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.879 Wagoo beef steak. I mean it is cool that she's 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:31.480 the one that's suspicious of him and kind of breaking this. 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:35.920 But yeah, he's like, yeah, she's so vengeful, she's taught. 0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:39.520 She's sinking into this like a like a Wagoo beef steak. 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.360 She's sala. That must be in the back of my mind. 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:44.520 I did just watch that episode a few days ago. 0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:47.400 Which I don't even know if I've ever had. I 0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:49.680 gotta start eating this wagoo steak. 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:52.640 Yes, I can tell you a good place to go too, 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:54.000 because I mean, I don't eat it, but I went 0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:55.440 to a place with Jared once where they had it. 0:55:57.000 --> 0:56:02.520 Barbara goes to this man, what's up, Jeordie Georde. He goes, 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:05.239 you haven't failed a drug test in three years? And 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:07.719 he goes, right, because I'm clean, and it's like sure, 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.279 Jan and he goes, but the detectives found oxy at 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:11.840 your house and he goes, it's just for sale. I 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:14.120 don't use and he goes, but you do use heroin 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:16.239 and he goes no, And then Barba's like, can you 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:19.160 roll those little sleeves up please for me? And you know, 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:20.560 he's like, you can't ask me to do that, and 0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:23.520 the judge is like, actually, he can get those sleeves up, 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:27.560 and he rolls them up, and those babies are riddled 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.280 with track marks. And he's like, so are those fresh 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.400 needle marks? And he admits that they are. And he's like, so, 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:35.600 how do you pass three years of urine tests when 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:40.440 you're clearly using hard drugs? And the asshole lawyer is like, 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.200 can we get a recess? And Barbara goes, now, he's 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:46.759 my witness, and this is like peak Barbara. Like Barba's like, 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:48.279 you do not fuck with me the way you just 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.400 tried to, sir, and I am coming for you. Didn't 0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:54.080 you tell SVU that Donna doctored your urine tests with 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:56.600 vinegar and that you had sex with Donna in exchange 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:59.200 for those clean tests? And then Jordan breaks down and 0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:01.839 starts yelling in to the galley, being like you said 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:03.560 you were going to fix this, and he's not even 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:06.160 talking to Donna. He's talking to her boss, Ralph Kessel, 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:10.040 the guy we met at the beginning, and so Barbara goes, 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:14.440 so did he convince you to testify for the defense? 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.600 And the guy, poor Jordan, I mean, he goes, these 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:18.479 people own your ass. You want to stay out of prison, 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:20.360 you do anything they say, So it's not like he 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:22.040 had much of a choice in like coming up with 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:24.600 this story, I feel like. And the lawyer again goes, 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.040 I need a recess your honor, and Barba goes, I'm 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:29.800 sure you do, and then he walks by. The lawyer 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:33.280 leans in and goes, never trust a junkie, and the 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:36.240 lawyer goes. The lawyer makes a look like he's right, 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:39.560 and he looks very defeated, and it's hilarious. I like 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:43.040 watching this guy get his just desserts. In the next scene, 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:45.000 Barbara and Liver are in a room meeting with Donna 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:47.040 and her lawyer and she's willing to plead guilty to 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:50.120 evidence tampering and lose her job and they're like, she 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:52.160 raped a man at gunpoint, and he's like, there's no 0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:54.600 proof of that. No jury is going to convict a 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:57.960 female rapist like they basically never have, and she doesn't 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.000 want to be humiliated by talking about her sex life 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:03.040 life up there. It lives like or going to jail 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:05.760 as a parole officer, which is very likely right now. 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:08.720 And so then the guy goes, okay, evidence tampering, one 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.000 year probation, and they're like, what about the rape And 0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:14.200 they're like, okay, we'll add sexual misconduct, and Barbara wants 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:17.760 five years probation and she goes on the registry and 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.400 she goes, that doesn't work for me, and Live goes, 0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:22.920 you better rethink that, bitch, because if you go to 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:24.680 jail for five years as a PO, it's going to 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:28.280 be a really brutal for you. And Donna looks scared shitless, 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:31.200 and so she kind of like wordlessly agrees, like there's 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:32.800 no way I can go to jail, so let's not 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:36.120 gamble with the jury. So then Donna gets one last 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:39.000 monologue to Olivia. She goes, you don't get what it's like. 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.280 You cops lock these animals up and you never have 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.880 to deal with them again. I'm supposed to rehabilitate them. 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:46.240 I give up my life and my marriage for this job. 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:50.800 And then tom By Goldberg, Yes, it's very what be 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:54.240 Goldberg's final thing? She goes, and then Tommy Sullivan walks 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:56.600 in all pumped about his pregnant girlfriend and his wonderful 0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:59.160 new life, like obviously, that's like what broke her about 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.080 the whole situation was that he was like going to 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:03.760 get out of the system and be happy. And meanwhile, 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:05.919 it's like, this is a guy who sold weed while 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:09.840 delivering pizza. He's not a murderer. She's like you, these animals, 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.640 they never change. It's like he was a weed delivery guy. 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.600 Like this is crazy what you're how you're trying to 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:17.680 I'm sure you have other clients that are horrible. 0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:20.840 No, but parole officers are like the people that love 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:23.840 law enforcement. It's like lawn or rules are rules, like 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:28.080 they don't they don't care, right, they don't see the difference. 0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:30.320 Like to them, the law is the law, and that's 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.520 that these are not These are people that would be, 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:36.320 you know, working at Auschwitz because the rules are the rules, 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:40.720 Like they don't see, they don't That's what's weird. That's 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:44.720 why I don't believe that someone that majored in sociology 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:47.000 and social work would be a parole officer. 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:47.640 That's why it's. 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:52.240 Criminal justice people, because if you learn about like wait, 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:55.680 so if you're like poor and you don't have a 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:58.280 parent in the home, and then your options are limited 0:59:58.280 --> 1:00:02.440 and your school sucks, and then maybe you will be 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:07.600 more open to crime. Yeah, oh fuck. But criminal justice 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.880 people are like, well, you back a law, law, and 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.360 that's what it is. And we got to teach these 1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:17.280 fuckers a lesson and so it doesn't matter where you're from, 1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:20.760 morals or morals. And that's what Jesus Christ said, Yeah, 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:24.520 and so that's why I'm so into my series. 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:28.720 Christ said. When Jesus Christ wrote the penal codes for 1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:32.520 New York's Stay, he clearly said, well, here's the thing. 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.760 She goes on in this like monologue to live and 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.080 she goes I tried to help him. I tried to 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:39.880 help all of them, and they take your hand and 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.160 they drag you down to their level. They don't want 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:45.520 to change, they will never change, And it's like, are 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:47.720 they is the show trying to make us think that 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:51.800 like criminals like ruined this woman's life and made her delusional, 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.240 Like because what is she talking about? She committed a 1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:56.880 crime like she knows she did, like we saw it 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:59.920 almost happen on the show. So it's weird that she's 1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:03.800 like somehow Tommy Sullivan dragged you down to his level. Like, 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:06.560 I don't understand what the show is trying to say 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:09.240 with this final monologue about this woman. Yes, it's a 1:01:09.280 --> 1:01:11.480 hard job. It's like with Whoopie Goldberg's monologue, It's like, 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:14.600 this is a fucking hard job. Kids fall through the 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:17.320 cracks and tragedies like this happened because this system is 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:20.800 fucked up. What is she saying though the system is 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:22.560 fucked up. I get all these animals, So if I 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:25.320 want to rape a guy who delivered weed and pizza, sometime, 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:27.120 I'm allowed to do that. Like, I don't really get 1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:29.880 what she's saying, or like what the show is trying 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:34.840 to say here about her worldview because she's just blaming 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:37.160 it on criminals. But I guess it's about the dehumanization 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:39.560 of people that have been in jail or incarcerated at all, 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:42.560 like X convex, Like she's just like, these are animals 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:44.680 and they're all the same, and it's one size fits all. 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:47.120 They're all degenerates, they'll all try to screw you over, 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:50.280 so what does it matter what we do to them? Basically, 1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:53.800 and Barba's like, get this hot mess out of here, 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:57.040 and it's like, yeah, she's sick. So they leave and 1:01:57.240 --> 1:01:59.840 Careesy is giving Bella the update back at the apartment. 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:02.160 No jail for Donna, but she is losing her job. 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:04.240 She's going on the sex registry and they're gonna look 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:06.680 at her boss Kressel as well see if he's been 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:10.400 doing more cover ups. And they're dropping the drug charge 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:12.680 against Tommy, so he'll get out soon. So we're basically 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:15.080 back where we started at the beginning. Tommy and Bella 1:02:15.680 --> 1:02:19.000 in the apartment. What's happening with this baby? So Caresi 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:21.240 tells her sister it took a real man for him 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:22.760 to get up in court and tell the truth. And 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:25.800 he did what he did for you and the baby. 1:02:26.400 --> 1:02:28.960 And suddenly there's a knock at the door and it's 1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:31.120 Tommy and it's like, doesn't he live there? I don't 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:34.800 know why he's knocking, but they hug like they there's 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:37.080 a moment where you can't tell her, babe, he changed 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:40.439 the locks. Yeah, oh that's true. Maybe she did. There's 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:42.360 a moment where you're like, yeah, maybe she changed the locks. 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:44.600 Maybe she's changed her mind about this guy altogether, Like 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:47.400 she finally broke after ten years of this shit, and 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:49.240 then she brings him in for a hug and it 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.640 feels like, you know, they're gonna be okay, and he goes, 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:54.240 it's all gonna be okay. We're gonna be okay. And 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:57.160 so at first I wrote, you kind of can't tell 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:58.760 if she kept the baby or not because she had 1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:01.240 kind of a guilty look when like he opened the door, 1:03:01.280 --> 1:03:03.120 like we were like, oh did she get did she 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:05.080 do an abortion? And I was like, ooh, it's a 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:09.320 Catholic KARESI mystery, But she did keep it because I 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:13.040 remembered that. In Patrimonial Burden, Coreesi mentions having a new niece, 1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:15.040 and then in the episode What Can Happen in the Dark, 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:18.600 he mentions that Bella and Tommy got married, so you know, 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:22.080 baby or no baby, that's dick Wolf. But it looks 1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:24.000 like Bella and Tommy finally got hitched and have their 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:26.479 little family. And so hopefully he's turning over a new leaf. 1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:29.800 And that's sad it is And weed is now legal 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.680 in New York City, so hopefully he invested well and 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:34.440 is now just working at a weed shop. 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:36.600 Yeah. I hope his record gets expunged because that's like 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:39.040 three years out of his life, and he's got a 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:42.280 record when he tries to get jobs and shit for weed. 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:46.320 Alana was posting on four twenty about how we got 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:49.040 to like support these groups, about getting governors to give 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:51.480 clemency to all these weed defenses, and she's right. It's 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:53.480 like so fucked up people are running in jail for 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:56.280 weed when like I can walk out of my door 1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:58.520 and like get smacked with a weed shop in three seconds, 1:03:58.560 --> 1:04:03.919 you know. Fucked up? Yeah, Like, okay, the laws changed, 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:07.040 let everybody out like it's wild, but that I am. 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:11.960 They want the free labor. Yeah, oh yeah, we charges 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:14.920 going away is gonna like empty out a lot of 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:17.120 the jails and a lot of not empty them out completely, 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:20.720 of course, but like thin them out. But I'm looking 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:24.000 forward to hearing about the crimes that you've got lined 1:04:24.080 --> 1:04:26.760 up for us. So everybody just listen to these messages 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:43.840 from our sponsors and we'll be right back. All right. 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:51.360 So today's crimes are super quick, short, but we got 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:54.840 a couple and they're right around the time of this episode, 1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:59.320 so it's the ease. The first case is the Samantha 1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:01.920 Werner case, and it's some Kentucky action. 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:04.800 If I've ever seen any Kentucky crimes. 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:09.200 So it's a correctional officer named Samantha Werner, and she 1:05:09.360 --> 1:05:12.400 was this is what I mean. It's like they won't 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:16.640 say she was engaging in a sexual relationship with a 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:20.080 man who was being supervised by the Department of Corrections. 1:05:20.760 --> 1:05:25.240 And that's how the Kentucky News, a CBS affiliate, wrote 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:28.480 it out. So I don't know they met while he 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:31.120 was incarcerated, and she was a corrections officer at the 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:35.400 Kentucky State Reformatory KSR, which sounds like a radio station. 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:38.800 And what's so funny, so I don't know how to say, 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:43.760 is Andrew Dysmuke's d mux Us. Yeah, he was one 1:05:43.800 --> 1:05:45.680 of the comics that was with us at Moon Tower, 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:49.000 and he did a joke that he loves watching biopics 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:50.760 and his favorite part is at the end of the 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:53.520 movie where they show the photo of the real person 1:05:53.720 --> 1:05:57.400 and he's like, they're not as hot, and that I 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:02.480 and that he doesn't care about the movie anymore because 1:06:02.520 --> 1:06:04.720 it's like I only cared because these people were hot, 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:08.600 and that's how I feel about this. This woman should 1:06:08.640 --> 1:06:11.080 be so lucky that Susan Sharon was playing her, and 1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:15.360 that's how I feel. But they do have a similar 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:19.000 blonde vibes. But it is I just kept thinking about 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:22.080 his joke because it was so recent from when I 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:24.040 heard it to when I did this research, and I 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:27.880 did keep laughing at every article I found. But so 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:33.080 this guy, her victim, was paroled on January second, twenty fourteen, 1:06:33.840 --> 1:06:38.960 and they engaged in so they were not doing anything 1:06:39.000 --> 1:06:44.120 while he was incarcerated. They started engaging in a relationship 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:47.360 January fifth to the eleventh, while he was serving time 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:50.720 in a halfway home. And then Samantha was married at 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:53.120 the time of the crime. And I'll explain why it 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:55.760 was a crime because you're like, wait, but he's out, 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:56.480 what's going on? Yeah? 1:06:56.520 --> 1:06:58.920 Yeah, And she's not a PO she's a correction she's 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:00.360 a CEO. When your right. 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:04.920 Fifteenth, the man notified iab okay tuk what's up her? 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:09.960 So Internal Affairs department, he let them know because Werner 1:07:10.440 --> 1:07:14.000 threatened him, so he wanted to end their fuck relationship, 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:17.240 but she wouldn't let him, and she said that if 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:20.040 he ended it, she would send him back to prison 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:22.720 if he didn't continue the relationship. 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:25.360 So that's what happened. 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:28.760 So there was evidence, there was texts from her and 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:32.400 nude photos, and then Werner eventually gave a taped confession 1:07:32.640 --> 1:07:35.040 that she did engage in intercourse and oral with the 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:39.920 man while he was a parole under the Department of Corrections. 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:42.440 Oh okay, so she's still in the same department and 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:44.320 that's the crime for sure. 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:50.120 Yeah yeah, and the threat of like yes, yeah. So 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:53.200 she was charged with third degree rape, third degree sodomy, 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:56.400 and first degree official misconduct and she lost her job. 1:07:57.240 --> 1:08:01.520 The Department of Corrections spokesperson in Kentucky, Lisa Lamb, said 1:08:01.520 --> 1:08:04.640 the doc does not tolerate this type of activity from 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:07.640 her staff in any form, and it is a Class 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:12.000 D felony, and she said this to Waive three News. 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:16.439 I could not find any court activity or convictions, but 1:08:16.520 --> 1:08:19.320 I did find her on the sex Registry list, so 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:22.680 that does mean she was convicted of something, but I 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:25.400 could not. Like all the articles I found were like 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:27.960 when this happened, So February of twenty fourteen, it was 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:31.759 like charged, charged, charged, and that's why our news sucks. 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:34.439 It was like ooh, salacious, silatious, and then there was 1:08:34.560 --> 1:08:38.440 no updates on convictions. But since she's on the registry, 1:08:38.760 --> 1:08:43.040 we can assume she was convicted of something. She has 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:48.000 tons of aliases. But I found her and she's in Milton, Kentucky. 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:53.320 She's forty eight years old, and yeah, Samantha and Clay 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:57.719 Combe as of now, and she's living it out in Kentucky. 1:08:57.760 --> 1:08:59.880 So she either got convicted or she made a deal 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:02.639 like the way Susan shaedafted. 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:05.479 You're right, you're right. So she might have not and 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:09.320 just gotten on the registry. But she's living living large 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:13.840 in Kentucky and you know, got fired and yeah, they 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:16.600 were fucking from like the fifth to the eleventh. He 1:09:16.800 --> 1:09:20.280 was like, I've had enough and she was like, nah, 1:09:20.280 --> 1:09:23.439 a bitch, you're going back to prison. And he said, no, 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:25.120 you're gonna You're about to lose your job. 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:28.639 You were about to lose your job and she did 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:30.879 and so sorry Sammy. 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:35.120 And then this next case was on the wiki. We 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:38.879 will cover it. I it happened, you know, in twenty thirteen, 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:42.519 so it could have influenced it because it was a 1:09:42.600 --> 1:09:45.439 man with gunpoint. Can someone get hard or not? But 1:09:45.600 --> 1:09:49.719 this doesn't relate in terms of like corrections or anything 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:52.679 like that. So this is what happened, And this happened 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:54.879 in Chicago in my county, Cook County. 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:58.000 What's up? So we have to cover it. 1:09:58.280 --> 1:10:02.280 Obviously we have to cover So this case is the 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:06.200 Sierra Ross case. So Siarah Ross at the time was 1:10:06.200 --> 1:10:09.360 a twenty five year old mother and she was driving 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:12.320 around and she picked up a stranger who was a 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:14.960 thirty three year old man, and she basically was like, 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:16.479 you know, middle of the night, four or five in 1:10:16.520 --> 1:10:19.160 the morning, and she was like, offered a man a ride, 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:22.880 and he got into her car and then at gunpoint, 1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:25.760 she forced him to have sex with another woman in. 1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:28.280 The back of the vehicle. Oh not even her, a 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:30.639 separate nomen Yes, her friend. 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:34.519 And again the articles all say forced him to have 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:38.800 sex with another woman. Wow, it was not ray, it 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:42.200 was not it was forced to have sex. Like all 1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:49.280 the language is different, so crazy. Yeah, So the Assistant 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:53.600 States Attorney, Amanda Pillsbury, which obviously reminds me of the 1:10:53.640 --> 1:10:58.080 dough Boy, what's up? And she told a Chicago judge 1:10:58.120 --> 1:11:01.519 that the incident began around, like I said, five in 1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:04.720 the morning on July twenty sixth. So I think the 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:08.960 taste of Chicago is raging. The city is alive, it's hot, 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:14.160 everyone's out and about so she offered the victim a ride, 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:15.640 and after he got in the car, she pulled a 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:17.759 gun on him and demanded he get into the backseat 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:20.040 of the car and have sex with her friend. And 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:24.760 it's like okay, like was her, what's going on? Like 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:27.680 I want more details? Like it really bothers me that 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:30.640 I couldn't get more information on anything. He begged for 1:11:30.720 --> 1:11:33.960 them to stop, but she forced him to put his 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:37.120 hands on her breasts and butt, and then the man 1:11:37.200 --> 1:11:40.920 eventually escaped when he saw a CAB's headlights nearby, and 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:42.920 he escaped wearing only a T shirt. 1:11:43.080 --> 1:11:45.200 So Winnie the Poose style just ran. 1:11:46.680 --> 1:11:50.400 He flagged a cab and the cab driver was super 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:53.719 helpful and allowed the victim to use his cell phone 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:55.559 to take a picture of the license plate and then 1:11:55.600 --> 1:11:58.280 email himself the picture of the attacker's license plate. 1:11:58.360 --> 1:11:58.880 Wow. 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:02.200 Also, according to the Chicago Sun Times, he picked Ross 1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:05.519 out of a lineup, so he had two bits of evidence. 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:08.559 So it was the license plate Ross out of a lineup, 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:12.120 and then there was also DNA evidence and then Ross, 1:12:12.200 --> 1:12:15.560 a mother of two, worked at a local Denny's restaurant 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:20.160 and had a previous conviction for a prostitution. She was 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:24.680 booked by Cook County Sheriff's Department on September fifth and 1:12:24.800 --> 1:12:29.080 charged with aggravated criminal sexual assault and armed robbery for 1:12:29.160 --> 1:12:32.320 stealing two hundred dollars and his credit cards and an iPhone. 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:37.760 The other woman was not charged what I don't know. 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:42.840 And then Sierra was held because she was not able 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:45.400 to pay her seventy five thousand dollars bail or bond 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:48.160 or whatever. And then same thing. I was not able 1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:50.640 to find anything about a conviction or anything. But this 1:12:50.760 --> 1:12:54.400 person was not on any registry, so I don't know 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:56.920 if she settled what happened. 1:12:56.960 --> 1:12:59.280 I don't know where she is. I cannot find any updates. 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:03.320 If anyone is better and can find any information, let 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:07.240 me know. But I was looking for court information counties, 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:11.920 like I could not find anything additional about the case 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:13.559 or what ended up happening. 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:19.400 But that happened. Wow, wow wow wow. That just seems 1:13:19.439 --> 1:13:21.880 like a wild like I don't know, let's just pick 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:23.599 up a guy and get him to do I mean, 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:28.360 it's like, oh so crazy. Well thanks for looking into 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:29.000 those two. 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:31.560 Well, part of me is like maybe they were on drugs, 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:34.800 but like they would have been charged probably for drug 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:36.240 stuff for drug tested right. 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:38.920 I do think the friend threw Sierra under the bus 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.880 and was like she forced me to Like I didn't 1:13:42.040 --> 1:13:44.160 I the gun was on me. Also like that's why 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:49.040 she didn't get charged. I don't know. Wow, everybody is 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:52.479 very wild in this world. But our next guest is 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:55.080 a good one. You guys are going to love it. 1:13:55.280 --> 1:14:05.000 Don't go anywhere. Our guest today is an actor who 1:14:05.040 --> 1:14:08.120 has done a ton of incredible projects. He's played Cal 1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:10.040 Chapman on Orange is the New Black because you know 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:12.240 we are going to collect them all, and he has 1:14:12.280 --> 1:14:14.959 a main role on the show on Apple called Severance 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:16.880 that people are obsessed with. He's also in the new 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:19.639 Rachel Vice show called Dead Ringers. But you know him 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:24.400 today as Bella Caresi's sad sack boyfriend Tommy Sullivan. Guys, 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:27.200 please check out our chat with Michael Churnis. 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:27.800 Hi. 1:14:29.200 --> 1:14:30.080 We're so pumped. 1:14:30.160 --> 1:14:31.880 I mean not to be too creepy, but I did 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:34.559 see you at Baggage Claim at JFK like last month. 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:39.479 I feel if you felt like someone was staring at you, 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:40.120 it was me. 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.480 Is that why I got asked to do this podcast? 1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:44.559 Well? 1:14:44.640 --> 1:14:47.320 No, we've been trying for a while and we have 1:14:47.360 --> 1:14:49.960 a mutual as well. But when I texted care immediately, 1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:53.920 I'm like, he's here. Yeah, it was a sign now 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:55.639 CARESI is brother in law. 1:14:55.720 --> 1:15:01.439 We had to do it. Yeah, old Tommy boy, poor 1:15:01.479 --> 1:15:02.599 guy Tommy Sullivan. 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:04.040 That a tough go. 1:15:05.720 --> 1:15:09.840 What how did your SVU like story start? You started 1:15:09.880 --> 1:15:12.519 out on season thirteen? Do you remember auditioning? Did you 1:15:12.640 --> 1:15:14.680 like the show in advance? Like, are you one of 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:16.559 those people, like a New York actor who'd been in 1:15:16.560 --> 1:15:18.920 that room like twelve times and then you finally got 1:15:19.080 --> 1:15:20.000 an SVU part? 1:15:20.360 --> 1:15:22.559 I yes, I had been in all the rooms like 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:25.080 twelve this, so I've only ever done SVU. I never 1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:29.080 did Law and Order Classic. I never did Criminal Intent. 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:32.080 I feel like I auditioned for Criminal Intent, like not 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:37.800 even kidding, like twenty times. I remember this audition because well, 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:41.120 actually sorry, I auditioned for the first one Educated Guests. 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:44.240 I remember because it's the two scenes. There's an interrogation 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:48.120 scene and then there's the scene in the mental health 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:50.840 facility where I throw the chair and that's like some 1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:54.400 acting is required, and so in an audition that's always 1:15:54.439 --> 1:15:57.880 awkward where you just have to go for it and 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:01.080 people are just staring at you, and I really thought 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:04.640 I totally screwed it up and was shocked when I 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:06.400 got offered that episode. 1:16:06.760 --> 1:16:08.559 Did you throw a chair? How did you do it 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:09.080 in the room? 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:12.000 That's a good question. I did not throw a chair, 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:14.479 but I think I like picked up the chair that 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:17.840 you know, that horrible half acting thing in an audition 1:16:17.880 --> 1:16:20.600 where I picked it up and like gestured like I 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:22.679 threw it and I had to put it back down. 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:26.920 But then I think I was just offered this one 1:16:26.960 --> 1:16:30.200 that we're talking about right for all violations because I 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:34.280 was a returning friend. I was shocked to look up 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:37.680 how close they were together. They're only three and a 1:16:37.680 --> 1:16:41.360 half years apart. Yeah, yeah, I had forgotten how close. 1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:43.400 I mean, there are two different characters and they're totally 1:16:43.960 --> 1:16:45.599 pretty close together in the Cannon. 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:48.200 Yes, And we talk about that all the time. We 1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:51.320 debate because sometimes it bothers me if somebody is too close, 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:54.160 because I'm like, I remember that guy from another episode, Like, yeah, 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:56.880 he hasn't had time to clear in my mind yet 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:58.439 before he gets into another episode. 1:16:58.520 --> 1:16:59.439 But I. 1:17:01.320 --> 1:17:03.519 And I knew you from other stuff, so I was 1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:05.240 just like, it's fine, we'll get him back in here. 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:08.960 Can you tell us about the iced tea moment in 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:14.960 your first episode? Being in his diamond was sparkling, sparkling. 1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:18.320 I was so intimidated. I was. I was a big 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:20.400 fan of iced tea. I'm a fan of iced tea, 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:25.120 but as a kid, I loved him. And uh, Coco 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:31.559 was there. She was there, and that was wild. You 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:33.760 probably everyone has talked about this, but the dressing room 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:37.439 area is really small, and so everybody's just kind of 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:40.920 their rooms are all right there, and so Coco was 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:43.639 just like hanging out in the dressing room area. And 1:17:45.280 --> 1:17:47.599 I don't even ice mister t I don't remember whatever 1:17:48.000 --> 1:17:50.800 I used to call him, but he was great. He 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:55.799 was lovely, and it was you know, it's always very fast. 1:17:56.200 --> 1:17:58.120 I rewatched both of them recently. I was like, god, 1:17:58.160 --> 1:18:01.240 I remember just when you're guess, it's such a weird 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:04.439 thing to be dropped in the middle of this, you know, 1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:07.840 especially with SVU, this train that's just been rolling for 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:11.360 years and everybody, the regulars, know what they're doing, and 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:14.680 you're just it's your first day and it's just crazy, 1:18:14.760 --> 1:18:18.120 you know. And so he was awesome. I don't really 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:20.840 remember much more than just being totally freaked out and 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:24.320 probably have like standing outside of myself the whole time. 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:29.879 And yeah, but he was great. And the chair throwing 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:32.800 day was weird because anytime you have to do any 1:18:32.880 --> 1:18:35.760 kind of anything that could be violent, even though it's 1:18:35.800 --> 1:18:38.040 like I'm throwing it at a wall, there's just so 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:41.080 many more people who are involved on set, like stunt coordinators, 1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:44.599 And I just got really in my head about throwing 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:47.640 this chair, and I remember just like, how do I 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:48.000 do that? 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:48.320 This? 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:53.040 How would I? So, yeah, it's just always very awkward 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:54.640 to be dropped in the middle of a show like this. 1:18:55.240 --> 1:18:58.200 Yeah, so were you nervously you wouldn't throw the chair 1:18:58.240 --> 1:18:59.479 hard enough or. 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:02.280 Like I'd throw it hard enough, or like throw it 1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:05.680 on the mark, or that it would just look wimpy, 1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:08.400 or that I would it would bounce off the wall 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:12.280 and like hit somebody, like kill Danny Pino or something. 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:15.479 It's such a weird thing too. I'm sure everybody talks 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:18.639 about this, but you know, everyone on these episodes are 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:21.160 just great New York actors who I've known for years. 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:24.800 I've known Kelly Gettish for years, and Peter Scanavino and 1:19:25.439 --> 1:19:28.679 all these people I've just we've all been in play 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:32.400 readings and audition rooms together for decades now, and so 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:36.360 it's so fun to watch Law and Order and just 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:40.280 see this great parade of New York actors every episode. 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:42.719 So what happened when you, like, originally read the script 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:44.960 for this, were you surprised? Because this is like a 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:47.479 literal flipping of the script. The show does not have 1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:52.240 grown male victims that often on the show, and they 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:54.800 kind of twisted things around here. So when you first 1:19:54.800 --> 1:19:56.439 read it and. 1:19:56.520 --> 1:20:00.000 The drug dealer reveal, I feel is like an exciting 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:01.160 twist as well. 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:05.720 Yeah, I was honored to be a victim, I know. 1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:07.680 I remember reading it and thinking, Wow, this is a 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:10.200 real this is really meaty, this is a this is 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:12.880 a challenge because I think previously some of the other 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:16.559 parts I'd auditioned for on SVU were like smaller, you know, this, 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:18.360 this really there were a lot of scenes and it 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:21.840 was it was sort of this unexpected twist. I feel 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:23.760 like now even now it feels a little dated, but 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:26.760 at the time it was like shocking. I remember the 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:29.760 commercials for it before the episode air were like a 1:20:29.920 --> 1:20:32.840 male rape victim, dun dun, du, Like it was just 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.519 something you've never heard of Yeah, which, of course it 1:20:36.920 --> 1:20:39.360 of course that happens as they talk about in the episode. 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:42.000 But yeah, I felt like, oh, this is exciting, this 1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:46.560 is different. This could I don't want to say like groundbreaking, 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:50.240 but it could be interesting and something that people don't 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:51.519 usually see or think about. 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:52.360 Yeah. 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:54.080 Yeah, so it felt like a good challenge. 1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:56.240 Oh yeah, well I think like what we're done. Sorry, 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:58.920 I'm like all over the place. I feel like we 1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:02.000 both are huge orangs. So we love it. I love 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:07.280 your character from that show with cal and there seemed 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:09.080 to be like a little bit of him in this. 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:11.559 What's the timeline? Like, was this while you were doing 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:13.360 Orange or was this like after? 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:16.280 Yeah, it was doing it. I mean, you know, Orange 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:20.519 is seven seasons, so so much of what I've done 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:24.880 has been also while Orange was happening. There's a moment 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:27.920 in one of the earlier seasons of Orange where I 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:31.400 was also on a World War two drama called Manhattan 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:34.200 about the Manhattan Project in the creation of bum and 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:37.160 so I had like a short nineteen forties mustache all 1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:39.759 of a sudden, and I had they had to write 1:21:39.840 --> 1:21:43.040 something into Orange where Piper says like, are you in 1:21:43.120 --> 1:21:47.040 like a World War two cosplay group or something. And 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:50.120 so I feel like I was always showing up with 1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:52.479 different like hair lengths and stuff on Orange because I 1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:55.680 was just a recurring character. Yeah, yeah, a couple. So 1:21:55.800 --> 1:22:00.640 yeah this this I think aired in twenty fifteen. 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:02.880 Yeah, violations. 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.680 Yeah, so yeah, that was right in that we shot 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:10.839 the first episode of Orange. We shot in twenty twelve. 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:14.320 I think it was like the fall of twenty twelve. 1:22:14.520 --> 1:22:17.640 And you know, it was so weird back then. We 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:19.640 didn't know what it was going to be because a 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:22.400 Netflix show like House of Cards hadn't come out yet. 1:22:22.800 --> 1:22:25.800 There was no blueprint for like what a streaming show was. 1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:28.080 You had HBO shows, but like what's the Netflix show. 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:32.000 So we shot that whole first season not really knowing 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:34.960 like what the impact of it was going to be, and. 1:22:35.439 --> 1:22:39.160 It changed everything, really did in a lot of ways. Yeah, 1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:42.880 and you're in a hit show now, Yeah, several. 1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:44.639 A hit New York show. 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:46.559 It feels great that shoots in New York too. 1:22:46.800 --> 1:22:49.960 That's a New York show. Wow, wow wow, yeah, severances. 1:22:50.160 --> 1:22:54.160 I think it's amazing. And you know, I always think 1:22:54.200 --> 1:22:57.400 it's kind of hokey when actors say this, but it's 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:59.960 I think it's a work of art, Like just visual 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:04.400 what the design team and our cinematographer and our producer 1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:09.080 Ben Stiller did visually alone isn't extraordinary, And then the 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:13.360 writing is incredible, the detail that's involved, and then the performances. 1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:18.280 It's really I think a special program do you play? 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:19.960 Like what kind of character do you play in that? 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:22.439 Because I feel like I see like a through line 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:25.400 kind of between Cal and this character on SVU, But like, 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:28.559 are you somebody totally different on severance or like not 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:32.400 at all, kind of like a lovable like what I 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:32.920 didn't know? 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:36.240 I think it must it must just be me because 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:39.559 people on Twitter, not always in a nice way, have 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:42.320 been saying like he plays the same part and everything. 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:46.599 I mean, this guy is like a little more grown 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:51.160 up maybe than Cal, but he's a sort of a 1:23:51.240 --> 1:23:55.759 pretentious New age like self help writer, but he's definitely 1:23:55.840 --> 1:23:59.639 like hippie dippy. And his name is doctor Rick and Hale. 1:23:59.880 --> 1:24:06.160 And I'm married to the main character's sister. My wife 1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:10.920 is Adam Scott's character's sister, so I'm Mark the main 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:14.120 character's brother in law. And I don't want to spoil anything, 1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:18.639 but I've written a book called The You You are 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:22.519 that is a self help book that then has some 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:23.599 impact on the. 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:26.800 Ruh Okay, yeah, no spoilers. I really want to watch 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:28.280 the whole thing I'm. 1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:32.880 Talking about, kind of like the lovable silliness of your characters. 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:35.280 And I really love the scene where they're visiting you 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:38.240 and your your prison jumpsuit and they let you know 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:40.280 that they like told a supervisor and You're. 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:41.479 Like, what the why would you do that? 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:45.200 And I knew it was all very serious, but I 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:47.360 did find myself like laughing during that scene. 1:24:47.479 --> 1:24:50.040 No, it's ridiculous. I watched it too, and I was laughing, 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:53.960 what is going on? Because I'm just in this orange 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:58.120 trump or I look like a giant orange toddler, and uh, 1:24:58.479 --> 1:25:01.120 we're happiness. It feels like like the blocking is like 1:25:01.120 --> 1:25:03.680 we're trying to be in like reservoir dogs or something too. 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:06.439 It's media Peters Cannabino and Danny Pino and we're just 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:10.760 like standing around, moving around like we're talking. I think 1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:13.120 the directors should like just be quiet. I was trying 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:14.920 to do like a big acting thing at one point, 1:25:14.920 --> 1:25:17.080 and they were like, yeah, but someone could be listening. 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.960 You never know if a guard's gonna walk by. Or whatever. No, 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:24.839 it's hushed. I love how seriously everyone takes being on SVU, 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:27.080 because like when you're watching it at home, I'm like, 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:28.800 this is ridiculous. 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:31.320 No, I know, And like, especially if you go into 1:25:31.400 --> 1:25:34.200 old seasons, we always talk about how like there's really campy, 1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:37.880 kind of crazy episodes in like the earlier seasons. It's 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:40.760 become like more serious now where they don't really do 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:43.800 that anymore. But back in the day it would be like, wait, 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:47.400 there's a there's a gibbon in a basketball what's happening? Like, 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:50.880 you know, there would be like all these wacky episodes. 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:54.320 But also I think it's funny when like you're obviously 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:56.800 a skilled dramatic actor, but you've done comedy as well, 1:25:56.800 --> 1:25:59.120 and you can just tell when comedy people like they 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:03.200 can't not make so funny sometimes, Like like even Martin 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:07.120 Short was like a total creep in an episode of SBU, 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:08.920 but he had like one or two lines where you're like, 1:26:08.920 --> 1:26:10.720 you can still tell he's a comedy guy. You know 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:14.160 this horrible like killing There. 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:15.639 Are plenty of funny creeps. 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:16.520 Yeah. 1:26:16.600 --> 1:26:22.320 Yeah, we love to be funny while they're being creepy. Yeah, No, 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:25.000 I think you have to I mean you have to 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:27.559 say yes to the moment, right, I mean that's sort 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:31.040 of easy. But like if you're standing around in a 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:36.120 orange jumper talking to detectives with New York accents, it's 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:38.559 just you kind of are like it just you have 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:40.240 to acknowledge the ridiculousness of it. 1:26:40.320 --> 1:26:43.640 Sometimes Oh yeah made New York accents. Those two. 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.599 I mean yeah, there's some big accents happening too. Yeah. 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:50.160 I was like, wow, Wow, everyone's going for it. 1:26:50.320 --> 1:26:55.519 Cheated on my pregnant sister, Like yeah, bella, bella creasy. 1:26:56.680 --> 1:26:57.599 I do want to know. 1:26:57.840 --> 1:27:01.439 You know, you've been working out there, You're booked, you're 1:27:01.439 --> 1:27:04.559 a blessed and worked with cool people. Are so are 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:07.559 there moments that you've been really starstruck or you've been 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:11.280 like holy shit, Like what are kind of your you know, 1:27:11.400 --> 1:27:13.600 things you'd like to share highlight wise where you were like, 1:27:13.640 --> 1:27:16.160 oh my god, so many. 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:20.639 One. Very recently, I was at the Critics' Choice Awards 1:27:20.680 --> 1:27:25.640 on the Red Carpet, and which is just a cavalcade 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:29.160 of starstruck. You know, all these very famous people. But 1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:31.680 I was doing some on camera interview and they're all 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:33.960 just one right after the other in a line you know, 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.320 and I'm talking to some person and next to me, 1:27:36.320 --> 1:27:41.120 all of a sudden appears Paul Riser. And as a teenager, 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:44.920 I was obsessed with Matt About You. I'm not even 1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:49.080 kidding obsessed. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and I 1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:51.200 really wanted to move to New York and I really 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:53.120 wanted to be an actor, and I think for me 1:27:53.320 --> 1:27:58.080 it it felt like a real honest representation of living 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:01.400 in New York City. So my junior of high school, 1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:04.559 there was always like the Fall Play and the Spring Musical. 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:09.559 But in the winter there was this open slot called 1:28:09.560 --> 1:28:12.160 the Underground Theater at my high school where juniors and 1:28:12.200 --> 1:28:15.040 seniors could direct like a little skit or whatever. They 1:28:15.040 --> 1:28:18.000 would give upperclassmen like a half an hour to direct 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:19.880 something at my high school. And so I decided I 1:28:19.880 --> 1:28:22.800 would direct an episode of Mad About You for the 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:27.760 stage oh and cast myself as Paul Buckman, which is 1:28:27.800 --> 1:28:30.040 the character Paul Riser played. And I was going to 1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:34.679 choose a crossover Seinfeld Mad About You episode where Kramer 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:39.400 appears and we find out that Kramer's apartment on Seinfeld 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:42.080 actually used to belong to Paul Reiser, and he's actually 1:28:42.120 --> 1:28:46.400 subletting it to Kramer. So I now have the task 1:28:46.479 --> 1:28:50.200 of casting a Kramer from Rocky River High School in 1:28:50.280 --> 1:28:54.360 the suburbs of Cleveland, and also in nineteen ninety three 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:57.360 or whenever, this was how you adapted Mad About You 1:28:57.520 --> 1:29:01.160 for the stage, or how I did to tape it 1:29:01.200 --> 1:29:05.599 with the DCR and then press play and then they'd 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:07.639 say a line, you press pause and write it down 1:29:07.680 --> 1:29:09.960 on a piece of paper. And so I hand wrote 1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:12.880 the entire episode and then took it to my dad's 1:29:12.920 --> 1:29:15.960 office on the weekend to use the xerox machine and 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:21.479 xerox copies of this and held auditions at my high school. 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:24.519 And so like I was this Mad About You super 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:29.479 fan who like did a Rushmore style stage production, And 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:31.519 all of a sudden, years later, I'm standing a sub 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:34.400 Pauliser on the carpet and I freaked out, like I 1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:38.000 couldn't believe I was staying Wow, my hero. I got 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:41.160 to work with Tom Hanks on Captain Phillips for like 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:46.439 eight weeks, which was extraordinary, and we one of the 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:51.240 first nights we both slept overnight on the ship like 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:53.200 we were normally staying at a hotel, but we had 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:56.439 a real, actual merchant Marine container ship that we shot 1:29:57.200 --> 1:30:00.240 the movie on, and we asked if we could like 1:30:00.479 --> 1:30:04.040 spend the night at sea with a real crew of 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:07.479 actual merchantcymen who were operating the ship. And so that 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:11.960 was crazy. Meeting him and spending that much time with 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:14.040 him was definitely a starstruck moment. 1:30:14.640 --> 1:30:16.639 The idea was it to sleep on the ship. 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:20.639 It was Tom's and I just totally you know, weaseled 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:21.920 my way in. I was like, I want to do 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:26.080 that too. But another quick Cleveland story. When I was 1:30:26.120 --> 1:30:30.639 a kid, my best friend's mom worked at the local 1:30:31.200 --> 1:30:34.200 regional theater, the Great Legs Theater Festival, and that's actually 1:30:34.200 --> 1:30:37.160 where Hanks got his very first professional acting job, like 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:40.559 where he got his equity card during Shakespeare and he 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:43.640 comes back a lot to like give back and he 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:46.719 did this one night fundraiser where he did a one 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:50.720 man performance or whatever, and my best friend's mom was like, 1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:52.080 do you guys want to come see the show for 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:54.240 free and then you can work the after party like 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:57.320 be bus boys or whatever. I was like, oh my god, yes, 1:30:57.360 --> 1:31:00.760 I have to do that. And our first task of 1:31:00.800 --> 1:31:03.599 the night after the show was to stand at this 1:31:03.880 --> 1:31:07.719 Cleveland restaurant in the parking lot. It was a snowy, cold, 1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:11.160 bitter cold Cleveland night, and we had to stand in 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:13.720 the parking space right in front of the restaurant, right 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:16.720 in front of the door for mister Hanks's car. And 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:19.000 we're out there freezing all night waiting for him to 1:31:19.000 --> 1:31:21.080 show up. And his car finally pulls up and he 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:24.400 jumps out of the car and he's really skinny because 1:31:24.439 --> 1:31:27.519 he'd been doing Philadelphia at the time. Oh, and he's 1:31:27.520 --> 1:31:29.960 got this weird little beanie cap on and he sees 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:35.680 us and he goes, how's it going, cats, And like 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:40.439 my little teenage brain was blown. And all night I 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:43.639 just stood near his table like weirdly, trying to refill 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:46.240 his water every thirty seconds and not doing any of 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:49.120 my other bus boy duties. And it was just like 1:31:49.160 --> 1:31:52.479 a pivotal memory for me as a kid. And so 1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:54.759 then fast forward years later, I'm on this like ship 1:31:54.880 --> 1:31:58.240 in Malta where we made Captain Phillips, spending the night 1:31:58.280 --> 1:32:00.840 with him and we're just shooting the ship and he's like, 1:32:00.840 --> 1:32:02.519 where are you from. I'm from Cleveland. He's like, oh, 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:04.800 I know Cleveland. I was like, I know. We met, 1:32:05.640 --> 1:32:09.360 and I told him that whole story, and his only 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:12.240 response to the entire story was, I never would have said. 1:32:12.120 --> 1:32:22.360 Cats, he's looking that's so cute. You're kind of witchy. 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:27.000 You know, these moments coming back from your childhood you 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:28.160 manifested at all. 1:32:30.040 --> 1:32:33.040 So what was the first thing that made because you're Juilliard, 1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:36.120 you're you know, an actor. What was Did you grow 1:32:36.240 --> 1:32:39.080 up in an artsy home? Was it mad about you? 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:41.639 What was it that like made. 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:41.880 You do it? 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:45.360 No, not a particularly artsy home at all. But I 1:32:45.360 --> 1:32:49.000 had very supportive parents. My mom especially was just that 1:32:49.320 --> 1:32:52.120 type of mom. It would drive me to play practice, 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:57.559 and you know, I was like a dorky kid. Surprise, surprise, 1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:03.240 an actor who was a dorky kid. I was like 1:33:03.280 --> 1:33:08.400 a chubby kid, and sports weren't my thing, and I 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.280 didn't really have like a real friend group, and I 1:33:11.400 --> 1:33:16.800 just stumbled upon the eighth grade play. Really like, I 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:18.720 had a great English teacher who would always make us 1:33:18.720 --> 1:33:21.240 get up and read from Dickens or whatever thing we 1:33:21.240 --> 1:33:24.400 were reading, and he said, like, you have a great 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:28.840 speaking voice, you should audition for the school play. And 1:33:28.840 --> 1:33:32.400 in this eighth grade they were doing a production of 1:33:32.439 --> 1:33:37.040 the Hobbit, and I auditioned and was cast as Gandalf 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:40.600 the Wizard and just fell in love with it. I 1:33:40.600 --> 1:33:42.920 mean just was immediately like I was struck by lightning. 1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:44.479 Like I was like, this is what I want to 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:47.920 do in every element, Like there were other kids who 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:51.280 seemed like me, who were obsessed with TV and movies 1:33:51.400 --> 1:33:54.960 and pop culture, and everybody was nice and not mean, 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:57.720 and I wasn't getting beat up, and I felt like 1:33:57.720 --> 1:33:59.280 I was good at it and like had almost like 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:04.200 this innate in stinked for doing it. Also my dad, 1:34:04.680 --> 1:34:06.320 you know, as a young man, I was like always 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:10.559 wanting my dad's like attention and approval, and supposedly when 1:34:10.600 --> 1:34:13.320 I first came on stage, he was like very moved 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:16.880 by me speaking on stage, and my first line was, 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:21.280 ah the Shire, how delicious the morning is in this 1:34:21.360 --> 1:34:24.280 part of the world. The air is stuffed with comfort. 1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:28.320 And for years then my dad would always like come 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:32.759 down to breakfast and go, ah the Shire, Ah the Shire. 1:34:33.240 --> 1:34:35.800 That's how you sounded, Mike, ah the shy or this 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:38.840 booming voice. And so is this this like folklore in 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:42.479 my family of ah the Shire and almost became like 1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:45.200 shorthand for just like a major moment was like an 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:49.200 ah the shier moment. And years later I had a 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:50.840 woman I was dating in New York come home for 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:53.519 the holidays with me, and I was like, we gotta 1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:55.400 pop in the tape, we gotta I gotta show you 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:58.599 where it all started, you know, Ah the Shire, And 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:03.840 this grainy VHS tape out comes this kid in like 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:07.600 a Halloween wizard outfit, this a purple robe with like 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:09.760 a fake white beard, and I'm like. 1:35:10.120 --> 1:35:15.840 Oh, the Shire, how the morning stuff with comforts? 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:22.160 Not a boomer thirteen year old, cracking pre pubescent. 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:27.240 I love that? So heartwarming. 1:35:27.240 --> 1:35:32.320 Ah, thanks, we went deep. Who knew? Speaking of people, 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:38.160 so one more like uh, one person that I was 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:40.479 like just starstruck by and who did a jerky thing 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:43.040 and I just can't reconcile it with my memory of 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:46.360 him is Will Smith, who, of course last year did 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:49.040 a jerky thing at the Oscars. But like I worked 1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:50.679 with him on Men in Black three and I didn't 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:52.120 have a lot of credits to my name at the time, 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:56.800 and he was just the best, Like he was so 1:35:57.000 --> 1:36:02.120 kind to me, and you know, like Marishka, I feel 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:04.599 like maybe when people are like a producer on something 1:36:04.640 --> 1:36:07.080 as well, and they are sort of the franchisers is 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:09.680 like an added responsibility. But he would always call me 1:36:09.720 --> 1:36:11.639 Big Mic and you'd be like, we got Big Mic today, 1:36:11.680 --> 1:36:13.640 we got Big Mic on set. Let's go this is 1:36:13.680 --> 1:36:16.479 a big day MiB three. And he was just such 1:36:16.479 --> 1:36:19.000 a He was so supportive of me, and he didn't 1:36:19.040 --> 1:36:21.479 have to be. I had two little scenes, but one 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:23.799 of my scenes is on the top of the Chrysler 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:27.080 building and we're both gonna He's gonna jump off of 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:29.960 it to go back in time with whatever some men 1:36:30.000 --> 1:36:35.000 in Black three made up time travel logic. So we 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:37.080 obviously we weren't on the top of the Chrysler building, 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:39.120 but it was on a sound stage and they'd built 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:43.080 maybe a thirty foot high replica of the top of 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:46.200 the maybe even forty foot. It was this huge, huge 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:49.559 thing in this giant warehouse at Steiner Studios, and it 1:36:49.600 --> 1:36:51.519 looked just like the top of the Chrysler building, which 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:55.360 has these four like eagle heads or griffin heads coming 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:57.400 off of it, and that's what we had to stand 1:36:57.439 --> 1:37:00.040 on and Agent j was going to jump off of 1:37:01.080 --> 1:37:03.640 So we're up very high and we're harnessed in so 1:37:03.680 --> 1:37:06.040 we don't if we fall, we don't die, and they 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.400 have all these giant fans that are going to blow 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:13.240 on us to represent like alien ships blowing air on 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:16.040 us or whatever. And the whole crew is down below 1:37:16.600 --> 1:37:19.519 and Barry Sondenfeld's directing, and he has like literally a 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:22.760 megaphone because we're so far away from him. And I've 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:26.280 rehearsed this scene so many times beforehand with Will at home. 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:30.120 But I've all this made up, you know, alien gobblede gooks, 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:33.960 you know, made up nonsense that I have to say. 1:37:34.640 --> 1:37:37.080 And the first take they call action and I walk 1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:40.240 out to the edge of this eagle head and I 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:43.519 can't remember a word of it. Like I not only 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:45.360 can I not remember my lines, I don't know who 1:37:45.400 --> 1:37:48.280 I am, Like I couldn't tell you my address or 1:37:48.320 --> 1:37:51.120 and I go into like a fugue state. I'm just like, 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:57.519 uh a line, and Barry Sonenfeld yells through the megaphone 1:37:57.600 --> 1:38:02.960 like God Jesus Christ and like go back, go back 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:06.519 to one reset, and I'm totally freaking out. I'm like, 1:38:06.560 --> 1:38:08.960 my career is over. I'm gonna get fired. And I 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:11.679 say to mister Will Smith, I'm like, I'm so sorry, 1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:14.599 and he goes, what are you apologizing for? We make 1:38:14.640 --> 1:38:17.400 movies and pieces. We're gonna be here all day. We're 1:38:17.400 --> 1:38:19.280 gonna do like a million takes of this. I'm gonna 1:38:19.280 --> 1:38:21.400 forget stuff. You're gonna forget stuff. We're gonna have lunch, 1:38:21.680 --> 1:38:23.519 we're gonna come back, we're gonna be tired after lunch. 1:38:23.520 --> 1:38:25.960 We're gonna forget more lines. We make movies and pieces. 1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:28.240 Let's go, let's do it. And it was like the 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:30.920 greatest gift ever. It was just like this moment where 1:38:30.960 --> 1:38:36.360 he just opened it up for me and it was like, oh, right, right, yeah, 1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:39.040 we make movies and pieces. This isn't a play like 1:38:39.080 --> 1:38:41.840 I didn't. And I say that now all the time 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:44.639 to other actors. If I'm on a show and there's 1:38:44.680 --> 1:38:48.240 a guest star who forgets their lines and goes into 1:38:48.280 --> 1:38:50.800 a panic attack tailspin, I say, don't worry about it. 1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:54.240 We make movies and pieces. Yeah, and so yeah, it 1:38:54.280 --> 1:38:55.600 was just that was such a shot. I mean, we 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:57.360 don't need to talk about it because it's been dissected 1:38:57.400 --> 1:39:00.200 in the press for the past year. But I was 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:03.840 shocked to see that level of violent aggression from him 1:39:03.880 --> 1:39:06.559 because he was just the kindest man in the world 1:39:06.600 --> 1:39:08.000 to me, and he didn't. 1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:11.120 Have to be Yeah, that's so nice. He was my 1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:12.320 first celebrity crush. 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:14.080 Yeah. 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:16.120 I mean we always say too. You never know what 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:18.439 people are going through. You never know what's going on 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:21.599 in someone else's life, you know, So who knows what 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:25.599 that day? That in evening? Who knows? We weren't inside 1:39:25.600 --> 1:39:26.160 of his head. 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:29.639 And Kara's a new parenting thing. I learned two things 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:30.720 can be true and. 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:34.080 Yeah, that's why you say that to my kids all 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:37.960 the time and say that all Yeah, besides besides severance, 1:39:38.040 --> 1:39:40.080 is there anything you want our listeners to check out, 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:42.559 anything coming up that you have going on? 1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:46.400 Yes, I'm in something very cool that comes out April 1:39:46.400 --> 1:39:52.360 twenty first on Amazon Video called Dead Ringers, which is 1:39:52.400 --> 1:39:55.559 based on the Cronenberg film from the eighties that starred 1:39:55.600 --> 1:39:57.840 Jeremy Irons very famously. At the time, it was a 1:39:57.840 --> 1:40:01.320 big deal because Jeremy Irons played twins, played both characters, 1:40:01.360 --> 1:40:05.440 and he was on camera with himself, which was groundbreaking 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:08.920 I think at the time. Now, this is a six 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:13.439 part limited series and Rachel Weiss, the very very talented, 1:40:13.479 --> 1:40:18.080 lovely Rachel Weiss, plays the to the twins, the twin 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:22.880 characters the Mantle Twins, Elliot and Beverly Mantle. So it's 1:40:22.920 --> 1:40:28.040 a it's a wild sort of thriller, psychological thriller, sort 1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:33.760 of sci fi about these two brilliant scientists doctors who 1:40:33.800 --> 1:40:37.080 are opening a state of the art women's birthing center 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:41.000 in New York. Yeah. So I play an embryologist on 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:43.479 the show who is sort of the best and maybe 1:40:43.600 --> 1:40:46.639 only friend of one of the two Mantle twins, Elliott Mantle, 1:40:47.280 --> 1:40:50.160 who Rachel Vice plays. And it's really good. I think 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:55.080 it's really weird and fun and sexy and creepy and 1:40:55.320 --> 1:41:02.160 thought provoking. So that's April twenty first on Amazon. Her list. 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:04.960 The moment I saw her in The Mummy as a child, 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:09.080 it really made an impact on our whole family. 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:15.240 I would say, the traders love her so gorgeous that 1:41:16.040 --> 1:41:17.160 I can't wait to watch this. 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:20.759 Yeah, check it, ass, thank. 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:23.000 You, thank you so much for taking the time attack 1:41:23.080 --> 1:41:25.240 to us. Michael was fun. 1:41:25.439 --> 1:41:26.280 It was so fun. 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:33.760 I love him. He's so funny. Okay, wait, so I 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:37.640 gotta tell you guys. After the interview, he messaged us 1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:39.479 and was like, I forgot to tell this story. So 1:41:39.520 --> 1:41:42.360 I said I would read it at our outro, and 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:44.280 he goes, I feel like such an idiot. I forgot 1:41:44.360 --> 1:41:46.720 a really good story during our interview after my Tommy O. 1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:49.720 Sullivan episode of SVU air of this one. He's like, 1:41:49.760 --> 1:41:51.160 my wife and I were in the West Village at 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:53.000 a clothing store and this woman kept staring at me 1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:54.880 and it was kind of weird. She kept sort of 1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:57.480 following us around the store and she looked very concerned. 1:41:57.680 --> 1:42:00.160 Finally she comes up to me and says, are you okay? Hey, 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:02.760 how are you doing? She had completely mixed me up 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:04.920 with the character and thought that I, Michael Turnis had 1:42:04.920 --> 1:42:08.679 been raped by my parole officer. So I said, people 1:42:08.720 --> 1:42:10.800 tell Kelly Giddis she shouldn't be in a casino. So 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:13.280 you're not the first person to get mixed up with 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:15.759 your mistaken for your SBU character. 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:20.919 But he's a badass. I hope his baby maybe yeah. 1:42:20.680 --> 1:42:21.679 And the baby was born. 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:27.040 The baby was born, Yo, fantastic. I'm so happy for him. 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:32.640 His joyous, great spirit and his fun name drops stories, 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:36.160 you know, like I love learning all the cool stuff. 1:42:36.240 --> 1:42:39.760 Yeah, he was great. So postmortem on this episode, I 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:44.040 guess is like the depressing state of the parole like 1:42:44.160 --> 1:42:47.280 institution in our country that they just fucking own you 1:42:47.520 --> 1:42:52.640 and can make you do anything, and that sucks, and 1:42:52.680 --> 1:42:58.200 there's corruption everywhere. But I'm glad that this person got caught. Lisa. 1:42:58.320 --> 1:42:59.920 Any final thoughts, I don't know. 1:43:00.160 --> 1:43:04.040 Great acting. I'm glad everyone learned that men can get raped. 1:43:05.000 --> 1:43:06.439 Susan Sharon is a god. 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:08.120 Yeah, Susan Sharon forever. 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.880 I don't know. I have nothing else. The parole system sucks, 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:14.920 police suck. Joe Rogan fans are out of their minds. 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:19.920 And great episode, and I enjoyed covering it. I mean 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:21.200 it was it was. 1:43:22.000 --> 1:43:24.160 Yeah. I like the I like sort of. I really 1:43:24.240 --> 1:43:27.799 want a future episode with like Bella Caresi, Sarah Fina Caresi. 1:43:27.880 --> 1:43:31.240 I want to see Rollin's interacting with the Cores women. 1:43:31.360 --> 1:43:34.400 There's there's two more sisters that seem off their rockers 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:37.320 that we've never met. We tried to cast them. Let's 1:43:38.360 --> 1:43:41.559 fucking see it. I want to see this happen. Maybe well, 1:43:41.840 --> 1:43:44.120 I mean apparently there's like a baby coming between them, 1:43:44.200 --> 1:43:47.000 so we'll see. But let's get into our what would 1:43:47.000 --> 1:43:49.640 Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment where we 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:54.480 direct you to a blog post, a podcast episode, an organization, 1:43:54.680 --> 1:43:57.519 something to help you get more info about whatever we 1:43:57.600 --> 1:43:59.760 touched on in this week's episode, and this week I 1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:03.560 want to point you guys to the Anti Recidivism Coalition. 1:44:04.120 --> 1:44:08.240 Recidivism is like returning back to incarceration after you are 1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:10.920 released because a lot of people, we don't make it 1:44:10.960 --> 1:44:13.200 easy for people who have just gotten out of prison 1:44:13.280 --> 1:44:16.840 to reintegrate into society. And so the goal of this 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:20.599 coalition is to quote empower formerly and currently incarcerated people 1:44:20.640 --> 1:44:25.720 to thrive by providing a support network, comprehensive re entry services, 1:44:25.880 --> 1:44:29.920 and opportunities to advocate for policy change. So they provide advocacy, 1:44:30.000 --> 1:44:33.160 mental health services, housing and creative groups that provide quote 1:44:33.160 --> 1:44:35.840 healing through creative expressions. So I love that, and I 1:44:35.880 --> 1:44:37.839 really feel like Orange is the New Black with tasty 1:44:37.920 --> 1:44:41.840 storyline and piper storyline of getting out and what it's 1:44:41.840 --> 1:44:43.559 like to get out and get back into the world 1:44:44.080 --> 1:44:46.599 is like made me realize that this is a big 1:44:46.640 --> 1:44:50.559 problem for people. So check out Anti Recidivism dot org 1:44:51.360 --> 1:44:54.320 for more info and you can donate and as usual, 1:44:54.320 --> 1:44:58.080 that will be saved in the highlight WWSPD on our 1:44:59.200 --> 1:45:02.160 Instagram page the day the episode comes out. Yes, thank 1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:02.640 you for that. 1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:05.840 I've really I'm thinking of Orange I liked the post 1:45:05.920 --> 1:45:07.960 people made about the writer's strike where it was like 1:45:08.040 --> 1:45:10.479 the Shield put FX on the map, mad Men put 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:13.080 AMC on the map, House of Cards put Netflix on 1:45:13.120 --> 1:45:18.360 the map, not CEOs. CEOs left to creativity, you get quibbi. Yes, 1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:20.880 I saw that tweet. I love that, And that's how 1:45:20.920 --> 1:45:23.080 I feel. It's like a why don't they fucking see it? 1:45:24.120 --> 1:45:27.160 I don't know what they think is gonna happen. They 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:29.400 think people are just gonna go back and watch old 1:45:29.439 --> 1:45:32.000 stuff or stuff that's just there, that they don't need 1:45:32.080 --> 1:45:36.160 new stuff, so they're willing to just not make new programming. 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:39.920 The I listened to a whole episode of the podcast 1:45:39.920 --> 1:45:42.559 today with my friend Adam Conover, who's like one of 1:45:42.560 --> 1:45:46.519 the heads of the WGA negotiating people, and like it's 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:49.120 like they're not coming to the table on crazy shit, 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:51.840 Like they're like, hey, can we just agree that, like 1:45:52.439 --> 1:45:57.120 you can't use AI to replace us and the AMTMP 1:45:57.280 --> 1:46:01.320 or whatever. Like the Negotiating Studio Organization was like we 1:46:01.360 --> 1:46:03.240 can agree to have a meeting about it once a year, 1:46:03.280 --> 1:46:06.080 and it's like what, Like that's not what anyone's asking 1:46:06.120 --> 1:46:09.240 for as a yearly meeting to stop robots from taking 1:46:09.280 --> 1:46:12.400 our jobs, you know, so like it's they're really not 1:46:12.439 --> 1:46:15.400 coming to the table on all. And I heard that 1:46:15.439 --> 1:46:18.800 they are just focused on creating content for background so 1:46:18.840 --> 1:46:21.439 people could be on their phones, and they don't care 1:46:21.479 --> 1:46:24.519 about making good television. They just need something to be 1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:29.200 there while we're scrolling. It's wy yes, sorry, I feel 1:46:29.240 --> 1:46:32.200 like maybe I'm Yeah. Also, if you've made it to 1:46:32.240 --> 1:46:34.480 the bitter end, I watched Shrek three yesterday. 1:46:34.800 --> 1:46:39.559 Great, it was great. It's is that when he has 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:45.760 the triplets? Yeah, yeah, it was cute. I've watched it. Yeah, 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:46.880 I haven't seen that one. 1:46:47.840 --> 1:46:51.320 And next week we will be doing asunder a word 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:53.400 that Kara will tell us what it means next week, 1:46:53.960 --> 1:46:59.280 season two, episode seven. For another she say, another fantastic 1:46:59.320 --> 1:47:00.639 episode of our podcast. 1:47:00.720 --> 1:47:04.080 Thank you so much. They're all fantastic. Guys. Give us 1:47:04.080 --> 1:47:06.439 a follow on Instagram. See what we're up to. That's 1:47:06.479 --> 1:47:11.120 Messed Up pod at instagram dot com. And then when 1:47:11.560 --> 1:47:12.120 and I'm. 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:16.920 Doing stand up in Denver after we podcast, so stick. 1:47:16.680 --> 1:47:20.519 Around, guys, go see Lisa. 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