Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done,
Speaker 1: Hello again and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 2: We talk SVU crime celeb guests up top. We chit chat,
Speaker 2: we catch up because it's not like we don't see
Speaker 2: each other constantly, but it is nice to catch up. Well,
Speaker 2: I sent you a news story. Should we start there
Speaker 2: or do we want to start with some Oh, tour dates?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell everybody the tour dates really quick. Guys,
Speaker 1: just announce we just announced a loss Angela's show. So
Speaker 1: let me go down through June. What we're doing. We're
Speaker 1: going to be at Cobbs in San Francisco on June eighth.
Speaker 1: We're going to be at the Tempe Improv in Tempe,
Speaker 1: Arizona on June fifteenth. We're gonna be at Denver Comedy
Speaker 1: Works in Denver on June twenty fifth, and then we'll
Speaker 1: be at the Bourbon Room in Los Angeles. On the
Speaker 1: twenty ninth, La. We need you to show up for this.
Speaker 1: We've moved venues. We love the venue we did before,
Speaker 1: but we're trying to do something a little splash here
Speaker 1: with guys. I just went to this place. Remember I
Speaker 1: talked about going to see Broadway Barbara. I went there
Speaker 1: to see her. It's such a fun venue. It's really cool.
Speaker 1: There's cool drinks, there's good I had tater tots that
Speaker 1: were delicious. The come for the tots, stay for the SVU,
Speaker 1: let's get let's let's sell out this room. I know
Speaker 1: we have a ton of listeners in La and you
Speaker 1: guys got to come to our live shows. And you're
Speaker 1: to drive if you're from other places. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yesterday my sister texts me and she goes, my friend
Speaker 2: Rna is coming here show in San Diego tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not in San Diego. The what is
Speaker 1: she doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? She goes, well, she said she's going to your
Speaker 2: show in San Diego. I go, we'll tell her to
Speaker 2: fuck off. But it's because there's a comedy store in
Speaker 2: La Joya. And she was confused, so she was just
Speaker 2: looking at the comedy yeah in La. But I thought
Speaker 2: that was funny and silly. Yeah, we have to sell
Speaker 2: out la.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you guys got to come out, experience the
Speaker 1: magic and tell your fat you're in Azusa. Come on
Speaker 1: down yard and bring friends. Like everybody that comes to
Speaker 1: our shows brings drag alongs people, that's what we call them.
Speaker 1: People that don't listen to the pod, and they always
Speaker 1: have such a good time. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: some of them start listening, but maybe they don't. They
Speaker 1: just have a beautiful night. But yeah, our live shows
Speaker 1: are PowerPoint jokes, fun stuff. It's not just us sitting
Speaker 1: at a folding table like doing the podcast, although that
Speaker 1: would be fun too, but it's extra shit. So come
Speaker 1: on out. Is there anything business wise? As always, guys,
Speaker 1: we're on TikTok now and sv pod on TikTok and also.
Speaker 2: Want to be our intern come come shoot content with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we've got merch up. It's at the
Speaker 1: link in our bio so on Instagram, which is that
Speaker 1: smussed up pod, So come buy some of our fun
Speaker 1: merch we got. We're gonna putting out new merch soon
Speaker 1: I think too. And that's that. So yeah, Lisa sent
Speaker 1: me this article over the weekend and was like, we're
Speaker 1: talking about this article BuzzFeed. It's the wildest thing I've
Speaker 1: ever read, Lisa, do you want to summarize?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically, this dude wants to propose to his
Speaker 2: girlfriend and he thought it would be funny to fake
Speaker 2: kidnap her. And I guess there was miscommunication with the
Speaker 2: hired guns.
Speaker 1: Well, they were his friends.
Speaker 2: So while she was running every woman's fear, she gets
Speaker 2: snatched in a van by a group of men who
Speaker 2: restrain her and physically assault her in the car.
Speaker 1: They take her phone, they have her pin down. One
Speaker 1: guy's caressing her upper thigh like they're trying to make
Speaker 1: her feel like, this is it for you, babe. You're
Speaker 1: either going to get raped or murdered or both.
Speaker 2: And then they you know, she's flipping out. She thinks
Speaker 2: she's gonna die, and then they just like throw her
Speaker 2: out of the van and the guy's there to propose
Speaker 2: to her, and she's like, I never want to see
Speaker 2: him again. So I think the police are called. We
Speaker 2: don't know what charges are going to be brought onto people.
Speaker 2: The boyfriend is devastated, but he's giving her space, and
Speaker 2: she her life is ruined and I don't really know.
Speaker 1: Some of the other details are that what the boyfriend
Speaker 1: wanted to happen was he wanted his friends to like
Speaker 1: pull up in a van, jump out like not even
Speaker 1: in masks, and like hand her a note that's like,
Speaker 1: your boyfriend wants to see you at this location. Resistance
Speaker 1: is futile, so that she would like know immediately this
Speaker 1: is a jokey thing. But his friends he hired, He
Speaker 1: had one friend to it, and then that friend got
Speaker 1: two friends, and those two friends were like, now we
Speaker 1: need to up the antimore and like terrify her, like
Speaker 1: that'll make it more fun. And they were like laughing
Speaker 1: the whole time while she was terrified, Like I just
Speaker 1: it's so fucked, Like it's so fucked because it's not
Speaker 1: a joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, scaring someone into one of the worst things that
Speaker 2: can happen to you is not it.
Speaker 1: I don't get the joke.
Speaker 2: And I bet these guys are just like, well, everyone's
Speaker 2: gotta lighten up. It's like and someone is crying and
Speaker 2: flipping out, like you stop. Yeah, but also, how many
Speaker 2: movies did you not watch? Like to the friend, you
Speaker 2: don't hire random people. They will shoot to the place
Speaker 2: you're trying to rob. Like how many movie examples are there,
Speaker 2: like you don't bring a random extra dude to do
Speaker 2: a job ever, Yeah, and also Jawbreaker, such a lesson.
Speaker 2: Don't fake kidnap anybody like the Risks and like, I
Speaker 2: bet she'll never wrote probably be able to run, or
Speaker 2: at least for a while. I mean, so she's in
Speaker 2: full like your body because actors with us a lot,
Speaker 2: and I feel like they're probably lying, But your body
Speaker 2: doesn't know the difference between fake and real.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know your body is that trauma response is
Speaker 1: like real in her, and that's gonna be there, you know,
Speaker 1: even though the relief of it not being real washes
Speaker 1: over your brain.
Speaker 2: I feel like your body remembers. Yeah, do we do
Speaker 2: a poll, would you still marry him or what? Like?
Speaker 1: I don't. I think you know the answer to that
Speaker 1: bowl pretty much. I think there might be charges against
Speaker 1: the guys, like not the boyfriend, I don't think, but
Speaker 1: against the like friends that should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't snatch a woman, throw her in a
Speaker 2: van and touch her and think you're gonna Yeah you
Speaker 2: think that's a show. Yeah, you belong in prison, because
Speaker 2: what else are you doing? Yeah, psycho what else do
Speaker 2: you think is funny, sir? It's twisted, man. And I
Speaker 2: was reading it in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you sent it to me, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is terrifying. And then I told
Speaker 1: my husband and he was like, what, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like he was like taking it more seriously than I did,
Speaker 1: but though I took it very seriously. What were your
Speaker 1: final thoughts on the met Gala curious.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I really, I really loved Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 2: I think she's my favorite. I love Dualipa, so I
Speaker 2: think I like the the tweet of it all I
Speaker 2: think was my favorite. Yeah, I thought people turned it out.
Speaker 2: Some people were boring, but maybe he was boring, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, I think Lizzo looked bad.
Speaker 2: I think her stylists fucked up, like, don't understand that look.
Speaker 2: I think am Rada, I guess, was boring, but I
Speaker 2: thought everyone turned it out, like I like, I liked
Speaker 2: seeing it, and I think Anne Hathaway did the best.
Speaker 1: I don't know that designer well enough, like I don't
Speaker 1: know Carl Lagerfeld well enough to be like, who's doing
Speaker 1: it well or not? I'm just kind of reacting to
Speaker 1: like the books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess he designed for Chanel, so he was
Speaker 2: like head of Chanel for many years, and then Chloe
Speaker 2: and then probably other places that I don't know about.
Speaker 2: So Chanelle is like tweed Bo's Pearls and that's you
Speaker 2: know what people.
Speaker 1: Mostly, Yeah, was it you that sent us a thing
Speaker 1: that was like Anne Hathaway just coming back to tell
Speaker 1: all of you guys to fuck off after you all
Speaker 1: turned on her, Like there was some meme that was
Speaker 1: like everybody turned on Anne Hathaway and now she's fucking
Speaker 1: back to make you eat it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And people just hated her because she was too earnest,
Speaker 2: like she was a theater kid and it's like whataz.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think Zua and Anne Hathaway are my favorites and
Speaker 2: they're both kind of similar, so that's embarrassing for me.
Speaker 1: But who there were other people I liked.
Speaker 2: I like some Oh, Kara Delavine loved her like high
Speaker 2: high black tight boots and then a white like puffy
Speaker 2: like a play on his shirts. Everybody looks really gorge
Speaker 2: I feel like it's so many people looking hot.
Speaker 1: I loved.
Speaker 2: I loved does after party look a lot? Oh, I
Speaker 2: love Emma Chamberlain. I liked both her looks a lot.
Speaker 2: I thought she did awesome. I think Janelle Monet always
Speaker 2: turns it out, and I'm glad the guys are finally
Speaker 2: like having fun.
Speaker 1: Usually it's only like two to three guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sparkling and this it seemed like a lot of
Speaker 2: the dudes were like turning it out and being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at this guy, Alton Mason who's in
Speaker 1: like a wedding wedding kind of like jumpsuit with a veil,
Speaker 1: and it looks really cool. Yeah. I was just wondering
Speaker 1: because I just feel like I loved Was there a
Speaker 1: cockroach or something at the mac Gala.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a cockroach on the stairs and people
Speaker 2: were like, who are you wearing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like cocker over here over here.
Speaker 2: I think someone then smushed the cockerroach and it was
Speaker 2: like people were doing like rips like twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three, the Life of the Cockerroach, you
Speaker 2: know whatever.
Speaker 1: So there were three cats.
Speaker 2: It was Doja Cat, Little nas X and Jared Letto
Speaker 2: were the cats of the evening. I gotta see all
Speaker 2: these cats. Go look at the cats. Pick your chop.
Speaker 2: I think Jared Leto I just hate so much. And
Speaker 2: I was talking about him with other people last night,
Speaker 2: where I guess Anne Hathaway mentioned when she worked with
Speaker 2: him that she never met Jared Letto, she only met
Speaker 2: the character Adam, And I'm like, I just hate these
Speaker 2: kinds of actors. I really really do. Like, get a grip,
Speaker 2: get a grip that I can. I kind of like
Speaker 2: what he's wearing. It's I kind of like that he's
Speaker 2: just in like, I love it. He's my favorite cat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I bet that's like a fifteen thousand dollars cap.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Little nas X looks cool too, but doja cat?
Speaker 1: I don't. The prosthetic stuff kind of freaks me out
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just have to be honest. Like
Speaker 1: her outfit, her body, like everything looks great, umber outfit,
Speaker 1: but like the cat face. I'm like, I like the
Speaker 1: idea of like glamour but twisted, you know, like glitter,
Speaker 1: glitter sexy. But then he I have a cat face.
Speaker 1: I like it. But both your and.
Speaker 2: Little Lazak's did the same bit, which I think is embarrassing,
Speaker 2: and they answered all their interview questions with me now,
Speaker 2: so it's like, you know, they should have maybe talked
Speaker 2: a little beforehand.
Speaker 1: Is there something caddy about Carlagerfeld? Like is he a
Speaker 1: cat person? Yeah? He had a cat. Yeah, oh catty
Speaker 1: love Okay, because otherwise Jared Letto's doesn't make a ton
Speaker 1: of sense to me. I mean, the other two can work,
Speaker 1: I feel like, but his being like full mascot anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you because I know that
Speaker 1: you you consider the ball a full event, so I
Speaker 1: wanted to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's unique to me. I think
Speaker 2: it's an event and our friend in the art world.
Speaker 2: I don't normally pay attention to it, but you I know,
Speaker 2: love it. Yeah, And I've been to the and I've
Speaker 2: been to the you know museum before to see I
Speaker 2: went to the camp Collection.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Caara, I know where we have to
Speaker 1: start the episode. God.
Speaker 2: So in San Francisco, I there was like a twenty
Speaker 2: two year old young comic who said Whitney Houston is
Speaker 2: not a real artist because she doesn't write her own music.
Speaker 2: And I schooled him. I taught him in a kind
Speaker 2: amazing way. After I did to go take a shot
Speaker 2: of whiskey it really like fucked with my constitution that
Speaker 2: anyone would say that. Last night, I was sitting with
Speaker 2: the I think they're in a cult. I think these
Speaker 2: comics are in a cult. They were saying that Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan is as famous in the same level as Beyonce. No,
Speaker 2: and I was just like no, and they kept trying
Speaker 2: to convince me, and I go, no, no, we can disagree.
Speaker 2: I have no argument. I'm not a Beyonce, I'm not
Speaker 2: in the Beehive. I'm just telling you, as an objective person,
Speaker 2: out of all of this Beyonce, more people know who
Speaker 2: Beyonce is than Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1: Also, are you just talking about the United States of America.
Speaker 1: Beyonce's a worldwide superstar. Nobody in France knows who fucking
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is.
Speaker 2: Well, And then at towards the end, then other people
Speaker 2: started agreeing with me, because me and my friend Charlie
Speaker 2: were just like, more like, even if you're not a
Speaker 2: fan of Beyonce, you know who Beyonce is. There are
Speaker 2: millions of people in this in the state let.
Speaker 1: Me live who don't know who Rogan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Total, And then all of a sudden he goes, well,
Speaker 2: I mean like the reach and the influence. I go, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you said more famous than you're wrong, and now you're
Speaker 2: trying to like switch it all around.
Speaker 1: But these people are just they're in occult of Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: Also, I went to his club while we were there
Speaker 2: in Austin and it was gorgeous. I was raving about
Speaker 2: it to you. I just found out from someone else.
Speaker 2: So there's like a comedian balcony that you could watch everything,
Speaker 2: and then a VIP balcony, and I guess Alex Jones
Speaker 2: and Elon Musk hang out there.
Speaker 1: So I'm never gonna obviously go back. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: yikes all around.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 2: I was so excited. I was telling you. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the best club. They're paying everyone amazing. It
Speaker 2: looks gorgeous, the green rooms incredible. And then I just
Speaker 2: found out that fully Alex Jones hangs out there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's like sick. You gotta stop with
Speaker 1: the fucking Alex Jones, you guys. He Oh my gosh. Anyway, wait,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say something to you.
Speaker 2: But to think that Joe Rogan and Beyonce are on
Speaker 2: the same level of fame, I'm like, you guys are
Speaker 2: truly in a cult.
Speaker 1: You're in a cult. He's like eleven million.
Speaker 2: I go, just Instagram followers alone, she probably has two
Speaker 2: hundred something million, and she barely posts, and he's in
Speaker 2: double digits if he's even broken, twenty MILIK like, I
Speaker 2: don't even know. And they go, well, a lot of
Speaker 2: those followers are fake. I go, you're an idiot. I go,
Speaker 2: you're all idiots. And Emma, I'm like, you don't even
Speaker 2: have to be a fan of Beyonce. But you know
Speaker 2: her children's names, you know single ladies. You know.
Speaker 1: I just found out I'm in the comedy community, and
Speaker 1: I just found out Joe Rogan is married and has kids.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about him. I know all of
Speaker 1: Beyonce's information. She has three hundred and twenty eight million followers.
Speaker 1: He has sixteen point nine.
Speaker 2: It's millionsane, and he goes, well, some of them are fake,
Speaker 2: and it's like.
Speaker 1: Babe, even if half a hard day, even if half
Speaker 1: of her followers are fakes, she has twenty times as
Speaker 1: many as Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: And they kept trying to argue, and I straight up gwent,
Speaker 2: I have no I go, I don't need to.
Speaker 1: They're literally telling you the sky is green. There's nothing
Speaker 1: you can do, you can't argue, and he goes, stop
Speaker 1: trying to be the bigger person. I go, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying. I don't I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's nothing that you can say that would
Speaker 2: make you correct in any way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then people are.
Speaker 2: Like, well, yeah, but he influences the way people live
Speaker 2: their lives more than Beyonce, it like in terms of
Speaker 2: the and I'm like, you guys are idiots.
Speaker 1: This is the same guy that said Whitney Houston's not
Speaker 1: an artist, because this is an La different guy.
Speaker 2: The people in LA are obsessed with Joe Rogan to
Speaker 2: a place where they like, I don't know if they
Speaker 2: think that one day they will get anointed by him,
Speaker 2: but to him, to them, they.
Speaker 1: Are he is a guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, though I think it's delusional to think he's more
Speaker 2: famous then Beyonce.
Speaker 1: It is literally like one plus one is seven, Like
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. But I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: since we're on the subject, I did see I want
Speaker 1: to dance with somebody on a plane, and I do
Speaker 1: get more emotional on planes. But I really loved it.
Speaker 1: I talked to my friend last night, Nicole, and she
Speaker 1: was like, I did not like it. Whinnie Houston did
Speaker 1: crack for twenty years. Why didn't I see any of that?
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's like a PG thirteen movie
Speaker 1: that they're trying to make about her life. I don't
Speaker 1: think they show. They showed the drug use, of course,
Speaker 1: but they didn't show like twenty she goes, she goes,
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston wore diapers at one point because she would
Speaker 1: just walk around and biss herself. I go, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think I want to see that in the movie.
Speaker 1: But we can agree to disagree. Maybe in twenty years
Speaker 1: we could get a movie like that. It's a little fresh. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: in twenty years we can get the gritty biopic where
Speaker 1: it's got all the horrible shit, it's like so sad.
Speaker 1: But this movie was just like nice if you're on Delta.
Speaker 1: I just loved, like seeing how she came to fame.
Speaker 1: She's like truly a voice of a generation, Like no
Speaker 1: one to me is like Whitney, Like even the best voices,
Speaker 1: I feel like no one is as good as her.
Speaker 1: But let's get started. This is a great episode and
Speaker 1: we gotta go all right, all right. This episode is
Speaker 1: called Parole Violations. It's from season sixteen, episode fifteen, and
Speaker 1: we start out with a big ass teddy bear in
Speaker 1: our face and it's being held by Bella Careesi and
Speaker 1: she is played by Maren Ireland, who's been in a
Speaker 1: ton of stuff. She's also in that episode called Confrontation,
Speaker 1: which is has the guy from House of Cards who
Speaker 1: assaults women based on their ovulation calendar because he's trying
Speaker 1: to have some sort of like Psycho master Race fantasy.
Speaker 1: And so she's in that episode. And now she's been
Speaker 1: brought back as Bella Creesy. I thought she was like recurring,
Speaker 1: but she's only been in this one episode as Bella.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting. It's ovulation. I always think of him
Speaker 2: as the piss guy. Oh right, the pis guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but ovulation is more normal. Yeah, I mean, neither are
Speaker 2: that normal. But yeah, I guess the ware.
Speaker 1: But he I thought he was hot in House of Cards.
Speaker 1: Oh you did? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I like Michael Keller, Yeah yeah, I like, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know it, But what's the like, what's the help
Speaker 2: a Henchman? I guess isn't hot. But I did love
Speaker 2: Doug Stamper in House of cards, and he is he's
Speaker 2: sort of more than a henchman. He's not just like
Speaker 2: hired muscle, because he's kind of a strategist too.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, we're gonna make it to the top together,
Speaker 1: like Ruthless.
Speaker 2: But he's the first person I would say with a
Speaker 2: bozo haircut that I was like fully attracted to.
Speaker 1: He does have a bozo He needs to just give
Speaker 1: up the ghost and shave all the way around. No,
Speaker 1: he makes it, you like it. I like him. I
Speaker 1: like him. Well, he's been in a bunch of svs too.
Speaker 1: He was in Slaves. Okay. So she is holding this
Speaker 1: teddy bear and showing Sonny CARRESI, you know our boy crisy. Oh,
Speaker 1: I will just call Cariesy from now and I will
Speaker 1: be talking about him and not the sister. And she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is how many decorated the baby's room, like a
Speaker 1: crib over dan and then a changing table over that,
Speaker 1: and it's just like a hoarding room that's filled with junk.
Speaker 1: And she's just showing him like where she might put stuff.
Speaker 1: Carrisee's like, sounds great, but you can tell he's kind
Speaker 1: of judging it. Bella still hasn't told their mom aka
Speaker 1: Sarah Fina Carresi aka Beverly di'angelo, a dear friend of
Speaker 1: the pod, and she hasn't told her yet because she's
Speaker 1: waiting to get hitched to Tommy and mon talk soon
Speaker 1: and this is another SVU Tommy. I'd like to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to our listener, Christina s who has
Speaker 1: emailed us an extensive list with all the Tommies. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've met her, but she I looked up the email
Speaker 1: list yesterday and was like, it is truly mind blowing
Speaker 1: how many Tommies there are in this series. Like I
Speaker 1: need to get to the bottom of, like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Does someone I think it's just an easy name.
Speaker 2: It's like Billy, It's like, oh, okay, get Tommy Firefighter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a lot of fucking Tommy's. Also
Speaker 2: shout out to my friend Tommy Mack while we're at it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so many Tommy's.
Speaker 1: The Tommy Sullivan comes in and he is played by
Speaker 1: Michael Chernis, who is in tons of stuff like he's
Speaker 1: in severance right now, but I always know him immediately.
Speaker 1: Ask Piper's brother for Orange is the New Black and
Speaker 1: he's about to meet his parole officer. He's like on
Speaker 1: his way and Bella's like, Sonny, what do you think
Speaker 1: Tommy got a promotion? And like he's like, yeah, now
Speaker 1: I'm the head like schlepper because I guess he's a mover.
Speaker 1: And Carisey's like, oh, tell your PO about the promotion.
Speaker 1: That's brownie points and he's just like I just want
Speaker 1: to get there early so I can leave early. They
Speaker 1: have a doctor's appointment to get their first sonogram blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. So Tommy tells Carisey, oh, did I did
Speaker 1: I tell you I popped the question? Or did she
Speaker 1: tell you I pop the question? She's going to make
Speaker 1: an honest man out of him, and Carisey's like, cool, awesome, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you deff seem good enough for my sister. Like you
Speaker 1: can just see he's like great, like and but he's
Speaker 1: like happy for his sister and he hugs her and
Speaker 1: he's like, I am happy for you. So now we
Speaker 1: cut to Tommy in the hallway of his po's office
Speaker 1: and he's got like a twitching leg. He looks anxious
Speaker 1: and he's like he's alway, I actually wrote in my notes.
Speaker 1: He looks anxious, leg twitching, et cetera. A listener did
Speaker 1: take the time to message me that I was saying
Speaker 1: et cetera and it's et cetera. So I have corrected
Speaker 1: myself and I'm learning and growing here on the podcast.
Speaker 1: So what is it? What is it? And what's the
Speaker 1: wrong way? It's etcetera, Like it's et cetera. It's not
Speaker 1: et cetera, like I'm saying it with like an X.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, it's et cetera. It is Latin, so
Speaker 1: you know, we should all be speaking this dead language correctly.
Speaker 1: The po shows up down the hall and it's fucking
Speaker 1: icon to me and Lisa. Susan Sharon from Sex and
Speaker 1: the City aka Molly Price is the actor's name. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize she was on one hundred and thirty episodes
Speaker 1: of the show Third Watch, So she's a regular on
Speaker 1: that show. If you ever watch that.
Speaker 2: That makes me happy that you know, I know she's
Speaker 2: a Schillan's property.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know she's been good.
Speaker 2: And that makes me sleep better at night knowing that
Speaker 2: Susan Sharon is she's retired.
Speaker 1: Yes, well yeah, yeah, totally. I mean that's a fucking
Speaker 1: ton of network money in her pocket. So she's also
Speaker 1: been in so many great things, but like that is
Speaker 1: the thing that she was on for a long time
Speaker 1: and she I mean, I don't know, she's almost too
Speaker 1: funny for this role. She like comes walking in and
Speaker 1: she's like, Tommy Sullivan, you're still here, good for you.
Speaker 1: And then she's obviously kept waiting for a long ass
Speaker 1: time and don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: She is great and I'm glad she got to be
Speaker 2: in just like that because she really livened up that funeral.
Speaker 2: So I hope I bring back Yeah, yeah, I really.
Speaker 1: I want more of her. I want more Susan Sharon.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like a good part and a good
Speaker 1: actor because there are a million people on Saturday on
Speaker 1: Sex and the City, and like, I know, we know
Speaker 1: a lot of them in you, especially because you're like
Speaker 1: huge into that show. But like she sticks out. I
Speaker 1: feel like just so many people for that arc that
Speaker 1: she did. She's like, apparently he's been waiting herself.
Speaker 2: Also, well, Sex and the City is filled with lessons,
Speaker 2: but that one is so I think in everyone because
Speaker 2: it's in everyone's lives, like are you honest or not
Speaker 2: with your friends?
Speaker 1: When you don't like their significant other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like people think about Susan Sharon often.
Speaker 1: Because of that.
Speaker 2: That's a lesson you think about a lot, Like you
Speaker 2: might not always have to think about some of the
Speaker 2: other goofiness, you know, like not you might not be like, oh, I'm.
Speaker 1: Blowing a guy who has bad smelling sperm or whatever.
Speaker 1: That might not be your thing. But like everybody has
Speaker 1: met a spouse or a boyfriend or girlfriend of a
Speaker 1: friend and been like not for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like not everyone has yeah, has a premature ejaculator
Speaker 2: or someone that needs to fuck with porn or is
Speaker 2: all these weird things, but everyone's like, fuck, am I
Speaker 2: honest with my friend or not?
Speaker 1: Or do you put up with us? Or should they leave?
Speaker 1: Or should they not?
Speaker 2: And she was fun and she kept talking about him
Speaker 2: and then the dog.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like but then, don't you think there's
Speaker 1: like kind of another weird like lesson or at least
Speaker 1: something to think about in that one where it's like
Speaker 1: they kind of this they're like this couple that like
Speaker 1: gets off on fighting, Like even though everyone's like leave, leave,
Speaker 1: then she's like she like loves fighting with him, Like
Speaker 1: aren't they isn't.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but then the dog like saves them, so
Speaker 2: then they're they're not fighting with the dog at the end.
Speaker 2: So maybe they did need the dog to not fight,
Speaker 2: or or they are repeating, you know, bad habits from
Speaker 2: their past that they like to fight with each other.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but yeah, she did, you know,
Speaker 2: but I think they stayed friends. Like I don't think
Speaker 2: Susan Sharon really cares or listens to what anyone else
Speaker 2: is saying, right, I don't think she remembered that Carrie
Speaker 2: was like leave him. But it wasn't even that they
Speaker 2: were fighting. He was yelling with her there.
Speaker 1: That was weird, right, I think I think about that
Speaker 1: couple a lot when, like I see a couple where
Speaker 1: the man's being like rude and abusive in front of
Speaker 1: other people, like cause it was kind of more. There's
Speaker 1: people's spouses I meet where I'm like, I just don't
Speaker 1: like you. I don't think you're being bad to my friend,
Speaker 1: I just don't like you. And then there's like this
Speaker 1: Susan Sharon couple too, where it's like he's being very
Speaker 1: emotionally abusive, but then it kind of seems like she's like,
Speaker 1: let me handle this. I could do it, you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe she kind of I don't think she likes it,
Speaker 1: but maybe that's like people have generational trauma. That could
Speaker 1: be how they think relationships go one hundred percent. Because
Speaker 1: also it's like I doubt Susan Sharon's constantly bringing friends
Speaker 1: home in the middle of the night. Sure, well, I
Speaker 1: don't like her in this show because no keeping somebody
Speaker 1: waiting for two plus hours. This poor guy has been
Speaker 1: waiting since two o'clock. He had a doctor's appointment at four,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, what was the thing at four
Speaker 1: o'clock because he didn't say it was a doctors appointment,
Speaker 1: and he's really beating around the bush like not telling
Speaker 1: her what the thing was, and she's like, you should
Speaker 1: have made it for a different day, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's actually for my fiance, Bella's she's pregnant and it
Speaker 1: was a doctor appointment for her and Donna, which is
Speaker 1: I do want to call her Susan Sharin the whole time,
Speaker 1: but her name is Donna Marshall. And Donna looks like
Speaker 1: she's been kind of sucker punched when she finds out
Speaker 1: he's engaged, and she's pregnant, and then she goes around
Speaker 1: and gets him a cup and is like, oh, I
Speaker 1: think we need to do a urine test and he's
Speaker 1: like right here, and she's like yeah, the bathroom is
Speaker 1: flooded and he goes still, which implies that she's used
Speaker 1: this excuse before, and she goes, you can decline and
Speaker 1: I'll ship your ass up state right now. Fucked up.
Speaker 1: And then she closes the blinds and he has this
Speaker 1: like panic book on his face, like he's definitely being,
Speaker 1: you know, about to be forced to do something he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do. Cut to CARIESI trapesing around the
Speaker 1: precinct with a box of Canoli's, like a full caricature
Speaker 1: like he was at the beginning, and he gives one
Speaker 1: to Rollins. Tomorrow's like no, and then she's like, don't
Speaker 1: make me eat alone. It's like cop sweet talk or
Speaker 1: whatever about like fatty pastries. And then Bella barges in
Speaker 1: and he's like, Soney, where have you been. I've been
Speaker 1: texting you all morning. Tell me didn't come home last night,
Speaker 1: and his phone is going straight to voicemail. So she's
Speaker 1: in a full panic. Obviously, Big bro Sonny's gonna figure
Speaker 1: this out. We cut immediately to the eleventh Precinct where
Speaker 1: Carisee's walking out of this police station with Tommy because
Speaker 1: he got into some kind of like wasted bar fight
Speaker 1: the night before, and I guess he's been in like
Speaker 1: a holding or the drunk tank the night before. So
Speaker 1: Carisey's like, I'm not covering for you with Bella. Also,
Speaker 1: your po's gonna find out, and he goes, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not that worried about that, and he's like, well you
Speaker 1: should be because he's and he's like, no, my po's
Speaker 1: a woman. And then very quickly it just comes out
Speaker 1: where he's like, she made me do her like and
Speaker 1: Caresey flips his shit and he's like, you cheated on
Speaker 1: my pregnant sister like pulls Tommy like slams them up
Speaker 1: against a police cruiser and he's like, I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: She pulled her gun. Please don't tell Bella. And then
Speaker 1: we're at the credits, so of course he's gonna that's
Speaker 1: his sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think bro code over family then you don't know, Sonny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's like when we find out very soon they've
Speaker 2: got a long history with this family. He's never picking
Speaker 2: you over Bella and Careasey at the top of Act
Speaker 2: one is telling Live the whole situation. It sounds like
Speaker 2: Tommy's been kind of walking the line for a while
Speaker 2: between being a fuck up and getting his shit together,
Speaker 2: and just when they think he's gonna like turn it
Speaker 2: all around, he usually fucks up again and lives like
Speaker 2: there's no perfect victims. You know, she's always like seeing
Speaker 2: the full side of it, and Caresey explains how Tommy
Speaker 2: basically decided to combine weed with delivering pizza.
Speaker 1: You know what an entrepreneur. If you ask me, I
Speaker 1: don't think that sounds like he didn't fucking murder anyone.
Speaker 1: He wasn't dealing crack. I mean weed and pizza they
Speaker 1: kind of go hand in hand. He got three years
Speaker 1: in jail for that, hope that probably wouldn't be such
Speaker 1: a heavy offense today, and his sister waited for him.
Speaker 1: The sister Bella waited for him while he did that.
Speaker 1: Now he's out on parole and now this Live tries
Speaker 1: to convince Caresy that Tommy's a victim and needs to
Speaker 1: support and Tommy doesn't even understand that he was assaulted.
Speaker 1: Caresey explains that Tommy claims that after the urine test,
Speaker 1: she pulled the gun forced him to have sex, and
Speaker 1: that he but Caresee's like he must have been into
Speaker 1: it or it wouldn't have worked. And this is like
Speaker 1: a theme that goes on through the entire episode is
Speaker 1: like how do you get a boner if you don't
Speaker 1: like it? And it's like in twenty fifteen, I'm just
Speaker 1: surprised that that's still like a well, this is.
Speaker 2: What I'm gonna say. It's twenty fifteen for us. We've
Speaker 2: been watching s to you for a while. But Sonny
Speaker 2: just joined the force.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: Monny's just a bumble ahead from Saten Islands. He doesn't
Speaker 2: he doesn't understand that men can get raped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even doing.
Speaker 2: Research for this crime, all the news articles are like
Speaker 2: they won't call it rape. It is like interesting, whoa,
Speaker 2: it's all like for forced into sex, like it is
Speaker 2: forced into sexual interport. Yeah that's rape, Like all the
Speaker 2: language won't say wow. So it is like even now,
Speaker 2: I mean internet comments I just read for rage, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure the internet would be like most people won't
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now you know, yeah, Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: it just keeps popping up, like every single person we
Speaker 1: meet in this episode is like, but how'd he get
Speaker 1: the boner?
Speaker 2: So it's really confusing and so kay laughing like bono.
Speaker 1: But how do you get the boner? Is that merch? Okay?
Speaker 1: So like, basically Cariesy doesn't believe male rape as possible.
Speaker 1: And this is like rule number one for US view detectives.
Speaker 1: People can get sexually aroused in assault situations, like they
Speaker 1: say even like sometimes women can like orgasm during a
Speaker 1: sexual assault, Like it's not it's just like a bodily
Speaker 1: response and lives gives Live gives coursy shit like and
Speaker 1: he's like he's a victim and he's certainly not gonna
Speaker 1: trust you with any of the details or opening up
Speaker 1: to you the way you're acting. So now live in tomorrow,
Speaker 1: go see Tommy at his job. He doesn't really want
Speaker 1: to talk to them. It looks fucking freezing and he's moving.
Speaker 1: I'm like, can you guys like catch up with him
Speaker 1: during lunch? Like this is they got to stop him.
Speaker 1: He's like they can all see their breath. These guys
Speaker 1: are moving huge arm wars and lives like, look, you're
Speaker 1: just going to go to your po next week and
Speaker 1: hope this doesn't happen again, and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: only have three months left. I'll suck it up and
Speaker 1: lives like this is not your fault and it's not
Speaker 1: just going to go away. And Tommy's like, no one's
Speaker 1: going to believe in ex con about something like this,
Speaker 1: and it is really sad and unfair, Like ricidivism is
Speaker 1: like sort of based in a lot of the fact
Speaker 1: that these people are so ex convicts are so easy
Speaker 1: to take advantage of because they don't think anyone will
Speaker 1: believe them, and many times nobody will believe them about anything.
Speaker 1: So they say, go to the hospital when you get
Speaker 1: off work. We need you to get tested for evidence.
Speaker 1: But also Sti's it's like this man is not showered.
Speaker 1: I guess they just want to make sure that he
Speaker 1: might have like some of her DNA on him still,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, you have a pregnant wife, like your
Speaker 1: frick pregnant fiance, Like you should get tested for STIs
Speaker 1: just in case, And they're kind of getting to him
Speaker 1: with that. He's like, oh, I haven't thought about that,
Speaker 1: and so like the guys he's working with are like
Speaker 1: get a little help over here. And he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: just come by tomorrow, bring the clothes you're wearing, and
Speaker 1: we'll take your statement. So now we're at the precinct
Speaker 1: and Rollins, I feel like one of the reasons that
Speaker 1: we've all been up and down with Rawlins is because
Speaker 1: she is the first person to be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like she's very skeptical. She's like, there's no witnesses, the
Speaker 1: victim not even want to might not even want to
Speaker 1: pursue charges. And then they're like, no, Tommy came in
Speaker 1: and gave a statement. He's reluctant but consistent, and Caresee's like,
Speaker 1: I want to know if he's credible. Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: I'm really not buying it, and she goes it looks
Speaker 1: bad that he didn't disclose until after the parole violation. Drink.
Speaker 1: That's the name of the episode. If you're listening to
Speaker 1: this on a Tuesday morning, please drink in your car.
Speaker 1: Liv tells Caresey, you know you can't be part of
Speaker 1: this investigation, and then let's all watch us. He is
Speaker 1: fully part of the investigation for the rest of the episode,
Speaker 1: but she says, you can walk your sister, Bella and
Speaker 1: Tommy through like what's going on and what's going to
Speaker 1: happen in the future. And so he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll go do that now. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: on your way. So now live in rollins gather around
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's computer for the breakdown of Donna Marshall aka Susan Sharon.
Speaker 1: She's a master in social work. She was at the
Speaker 1: top of her class.
Speaker 2: She's been in that office showl because you know, my
Speaker 2: theory is good people do social work sociology, bad people
Speaker 2: do criminal justice. So the fact that she did social
Speaker 2: work is a fork in my theory.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, let's talk about it when we
Speaker 1: get later into the episode, like what the where the Donna?
Speaker 1: Where Donna went off the tracks? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like maybe it's possible. Like when she graduated college, she
Speaker 1: really was like I'm gonna help these people, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do good and then like you know, she got broken
Speaker 1: at some point. So anyway, she has the lowest recidivism
Speaker 1: rate in the department. She's been there for ten years.
Speaker 1: She's very like highly respected. So and just the way
Speaker 1: she speaks like it could be my ASMR.
Speaker 2: I can go to bed, said Susan Sharon playing Donna,
Speaker 2: Like the way she says detective in this, the way
Speaker 2: she says recidivism like her nails in that, like she
Speaker 2: is she is mother, like she is the moment, like.
Speaker 1: Like she is a criminal.
Speaker 2: She's bad, but like I love like aesthetically, the way
Speaker 2: she sounds like I am in love with her.
Speaker 1: It's oh my gosh, I hope she's I hope somebody
Speaker 1: she knows listens to this podcast and sends her and
Speaker 1: is like, do you want like a full twenty minute
Speaker 1: like compliment because here it is on this podcast detective
Speaker 1: like a detective, Yeah, detective Yeah. And she's like she's
Speaker 1: like I had a moment of weakness. I'm human, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: she's so funny. Rollins is like, uh, dude, the Department
Speaker 1: of Corrections is going to stonewall the shit out of us,
Speaker 1: Like you think cops put up a front, like the
Speaker 1: doc is even worse or whatever, which we've seen other
Speaker 1: episodes where there's office where there's correctional officers involved and
Speaker 1: they all do cover for each other, like the Ray
Speaker 1: Romano's brother Brad Garrett episode. Yeah. So liv tells the
Speaker 1: skeptical Rollins and Tomorrow that if genders were reversed, they
Speaker 1: would be handling this totally differently. We all saw his affect,
Speaker 1: we see how he's acting. Why don't we handle this
Speaker 1: like it's a woman making a complaint against a male
Speaker 1: po And so in the next scene, they're bringing in
Speaker 1: Donna Marshall's who is a guy named Ralph Kessel and
Speaker 1: he's like, Lol, somebody's making a claim. These x cons
Speaker 1: are all scumbags. I'm sure it's bullshit, but just in case,
Speaker 1: I'll play along. Who is it? And then they say
Speaker 1: Donna and he goes, uh, you know she's a woman, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, no one thinks somebody named Donna
Speaker 1: is a man. But also like it's just wild, like
Speaker 1: the that women cannot commit any kind of sex crime
Speaker 1: to all of these people in this episode, and Benson's like, ah, yes,
Speaker 1: we are aware, and so he immediately assumes it's a
Speaker 1: lesbian victim and then they're like, no, it's a male victim,
Speaker 1: and he immediately laughs. And Benson explains that a gun
Speaker 1: was pulled and that Tommy felt he had to comply,
Speaker 1: and then he goes, comply sounds like my wife, and
Speaker 1: Amaro goes, ha, mine too, and it's like Tomorrow, you
Speaker 1: and Maria have like never kissed before. I can't believe
Speaker 1: it in a million years. So like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I think that's like one of
Speaker 1: my issues with Tomorrow is I can never really tell
Speaker 1: if he's being a misogynistic asshole or he's like playing
Speaker 1: the game to get on the good side of these
Speaker 1: people in this episode. Whatever he's doing here doesn't really
Speaker 1: pay off. So I'm just left thinking that he thinks
Speaker 1: it's cool to act like, you know, sex with your
Speaker 1: wife is complying like so.
Speaker 2: But he isn't a loveless marriage, I think. But because
Speaker 2: we don't know why they got married, Like did they
Speaker 2: get married because someone is going to Iraq? Or did
Speaker 2: he get her like pregnant? Like what did they love
Speaker 2: each other? Like I don't know, I don't know the
Speaker 2: I don't know their origins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's never been like at the beginning, it was great,
Speaker 1: we were crazy about each other, and then things change.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it feels like they grew apart when
Speaker 1: she was a like overseas like deployed. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I just feel like it is weird to be like
Speaker 1: comply sounds like my wife. It's like, yeah, your wife
Speaker 1: has the right to tell you notice sex any fucking
Speaker 1: time she wants, and so that's your life. And Ralph's like,
Speaker 1: give me the name of this lying sob and Live
Speaker 1: does not give it because this man is trash. And
Speaker 1: so now we are back at Tommy and Bella's place
Speaker 1: and uh oh, Italian girl knows everything, and she is mad, mad, mad.
Speaker 1: She is furious at Sonny for defending him. She's like, hey,
Speaker 1: shade it on me, and like you now you're defending him,
Speaker 1: And Corisie and Tommy are trying to explain to her
Speaker 1: that this was non consensual and it was assault, but
Speaker 1: she's like, you can't even fuck in my parents' house
Speaker 1: with them sleeping two doors down, but you can get
Speaker 1: it up with a gun to your head. That's her
Speaker 1: theory again, how'd you get a boner? And then suddenly,
Speaker 1: in the middle of all this Italian screaming back and forth,
Speaker 1: there's a knock at the door and it's done done
Speaker 1: Donna Marshall. She's doing a random home inspection and Tommy's like,
Speaker 1: what's this all about? And she's like, why don't you
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up? And then she goes into the
Speaker 1: bedroom and comes back and approximately half a second with
Speaker 1: big bags of oxy contin, and Tommy's like I never
Speaker 1: saw any of that, and then they cuffed Tommy and
Speaker 1: Creasy's like, don't say anything till you get a lawyer.
Speaker 1: He has not revealed himself at all to be a cop.
Speaker 1: And then Donna's like, yeah, Tommy, better call Saul.
Speaker 2: Like nice, and then that show was even on already,
Speaker 2: damn time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, five fifteen. Well it may not have been
Speaker 1: Better Call Saul may not have been on, but in
Speaker 1: the show Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul is like his
Speaker 1: calling card, so it could have just been a Breaking
Speaker 1: Bad reference. So they leave. Bella's distraw like why didn't
Speaker 1: you tell them you're a cop? And Crazy's like that
Speaker 1: would not have helped in this situation. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I agree with that, but like, if he had
Speaker 1: first identified himself as a cop, I think she may
Speaker 1: have thought twice about planting the drugs. She'd been like, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Detective Sonny Creasy from SPU. I don't know if
Speaker 1: she would have been so ballsy to plant drugs, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So anyway, top of act two,
Speaker 1: we're in like some kind of jail like holding or
Speaker 1: temporar like jail. But Tommy's in his orange jumpsuit swearing
Speaker 1: to Careasy that those were not his drugs, and Tommy's like,
Speaker 1: she planted them. She must have found out I was
Speaker 1: accusing her. Did you guys tell her? And Caresee's like,
Speaker 1: of course we didn't, and Tomorrow's like, oh, we definitely did.
Speaker 1: We just talked to her boss, who she's a pair
Speaker 1: currently heavy best friends with, and Tommy's like, those two
Speaker 1: are thickest thieves, which just reminds me of Jersey Housewives.
Speaker 1: And Lisa did get me a onesie for Oscar when
Speaker 1: he was born. That says, let me tell you something
Speaker 1: about my family. We're thickest thieves, which I still have
Speaker 1: and I'm reading to give to the right baby that
Speaker 1: I know. And Caresy is like, we have to show
Speaker 1: that she had a reason to plant those drugs, and
Speaker 1: Tommy's like, of course, he thinks no one will believe him,
Speaker 1: and Carisey goes, I do, And this makes Tommy feel
Speaker 1: better that his like brother soon to be brother in law,
Speaker 1: who's never really liked him, is like, I'm on your side.
Speaker 1: I believe you now tomorrow and criese, you're updating Live.
Speaker 1: They're going to test the baggies of of oxy for DNA.
Speaker 1: Can we also get like, where's the rush on that
Speaker 1: DNA from his clothes? Find out from the lab and
Speaker 1: Live tells Careesy that Tommy's in for a fight with
Speaker 1: this rape charge and he's like, yeah, my sister's pissed
Speaker 1: at him and lives like, well he did the right thing,
Speaker 1: so like coming forward, So now out in like what
Speaker 1: do you call the area where all the cops sit,
Speaker 1: like the pen, the bullpen? I think it is called
Speaker 1: like a bullpen, bullpen. I was like the quad. Rollins
Speaker 1: is still sally skeptical and is like, well, Tommy is
Speaker 1: a dealer, and it's like that was weed and he
Speaker 1: doesn't even do that anymore. And then like he's getting
Speaker 1: his life together and it's like, but he did get
Speaker 1: into a bar fight. It's like Rollin's you're so far
Speaker 1: from perfect. You're just like refusing to admit that this
Speaker 1: guy like could be just a good guy who's being
Speaker 1: like set up. And he says, no, things were going
Speaker 1: good for Tommy and she goes, well, some people can't
Speaker 1: handle that, and they self sabotage, and I think that
Speaker 1: she's projecting a little because I think she does that
Speaker 1: like if she like when she first met Carisi, like
Speaker 1: an actual nice guy who liked her, and she was
Speaker 1: just like, Bye, I'm gonna go fuck bartenders in West Virginia,
Speaker 1: see you later. You know, I think that Rowlins doyes
Speaker 1: a little bit of self sabotage, and Carisy's like, bitch.
Speaker 1: I was there when she found the drugs and she
Speaker 1: was like a damn bloodhound. It was like less than
Speaker 1: a minute, like there's no way. And Rolin goes, well,
Speaker 1: someone is lying and walks off, and Carisy goes, well,
Speaker 1: she's big on tough love, huh, And it's like you're
Speaker 1: gonna find out soon enough. Sir and Amaro explained that
Speaker 1: Rollin's sister has played her ass a bunch and that like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's where she comes from, being skeptical about
Speaker 1: like family stuff, and he's like, well, her family isn't
Speaker 1: my family, and Amarro's like, but Tommy isn't even your family,
Speaker 1: Bella is you got to look out for her. And
Speaker 1: then just then they get a call the touch DNA
Speaker 1: on the clothes is back in and guess what Donna
Speaker 1: Saliva is present plus fluids. She just like drooled all
Speaker 1: over this mandaring sex. Okay, so even if she had sex,
Speaker 1: even if they had consensual sex, that's against the law
Speaker 1: because she's like in a position of power against him.
Speaker 1: So she wrote the law and the good and that's
Speaker 1: good news. And he's like, yeah, try telling that to
Speaker 1: Bella Caraci, She's not gonna hear it. So Carisi is
Speaker 1: chasing Bella down the street now, and she's like not
Speaker 1: having any of the shit. She's stressed. She's thinking about
Speaker 1: moving in with her parents, and Carisi goes, I cannot
Speaker 1: stress what an insane idea that is? And I really
Speaker 1: like that. He's like, you cannot move in with mom
Speaker 1: and dad, And she's like, I've dealt with this shit
Speaker 1: for ten years. Like I guess they've been together ten
Speaker 1: years with him fucking up and then the jail she waited.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think she's just been waiting a decade
Speaker 1: for this man to get his shit together and grow up.
Speaker 1: But now he's cheated. And then she brings up the
Speaker 1: other sisters and like that they don't like Tommy and
Speaker 1: CARIESI goes, uh, to be fair, our sisters are fucking nuts.
Speaker 1: He goes, Teresa won't talk to a guy who makes
Speaker 1: less than six figures, and Gina's been engaged ten times,
Speaker 1: Like it's really funny, and I really want to know
Speaker 1: who would be cast as Teresa and Gina, who well.
Speaker 2: Not cast But I obviously was like, this is so
Speaker 2: Jersey Housewives, Like she's Danielle Stob Okay, so what are
Speaker 2: their names?
Speaker 1: Teresa? And she won't talk to anybody who's under like
Speaker 1: who's poor? Like she needs a rich guy? Okay, And
Speaker 1: I feel like it's got out. We got to stay blonde,
Speaker 1: blue eyed with this, like even though there must be
Speaker 1: Northern Italian because they're very light complected for these heavily
Speaker 1: Italian people. I didn't know what would be casting. I
Speaker 1: wish you'd give me. I don't know. I know next time,
Speaker 1: I'll like send you an email and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: do you think Megan Fayie can do a Staten Island accent? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, bring back Megan Faith Yes with a Staaten Island accent.
Speaker 1: And she's she's Gina because I could see her getting
Speaker 1: engaged ten times. I really could. She's Gina Teresa.
Speaker 2: I mean the only person I'm thinking of is Margot Robbie,
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know if Margot Robbie is gonna
Speaker 2: be playing a Carreasi at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think Amanda Seifered can do a Staten
Speaker 1: Island accent?
Speaker 2: So we're so these so we're only casting within the
Speaker 2: SVU universe.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just literally googled and she popped up.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to on purpose, but it would be
Speaker 1: funny if all these people just came back because Beverly
Speaker 1: D'Angel has been a character, Caresi's been a character, They've
Speaker 1: all been characters before, and then the whole Careasi family
Speaker 1: is just recast people. That would be funny. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would totally. Yeah, let's do let's do that. Let's totally
Speaker 1: do that. I feel like there was also another episode
Speaker 1: where wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh Julia Garner, that's a funny one. That's fun Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: She can do it. She can do any accent as
Speaker 1: we know. Why are you so poor? Oh that's perfect.
Speaker 1: She can just do her Annadelviy character with a Saten
Speaker 1: Island accent. She's like, oh you seem very poor. We
Speaker 1: cannot date, Okay, so you can anyway, can do it. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'll dye my hair blonde and play a Carisi. I
Speaker 1: would love it. She okay. So he's basically like, do
Speaker 1: not listen to our crazy bitch sisters please, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you suddenly love Tommy and he's like, look, the guy's
Speaker 1: fucked up a lot, but this isn't one of those times.
Speaker 1: And she admits to Sonny that she's thinking of terminating
Speaker 1: the pregnancy, like this is all too much for her.
Speaker 1: She's only ten weeks so long, and Carisie's little Catholic
Speaker 1: heart is breaking at that idea. But Bella is like,
Speaker 1: I'm too stressed. I can't raise a kid on my own.
Speaker 1: She goes back into her apartment and Carisy looks like
Speaker 1: he's gonna cry, like he was really looking forward to
Speaker 1: meeting this niece or nephew. And so now top of
Speaker 1: AC three, we've got Livin Rollins an interrogation with Donna
Speaker 1: Marshall and her lawyer, whose name is Mickey DiAngelo no
Speaker 1: relation because he's a fictional character, but he's been this
Speaker 1: a lawyer in six episodes as this character. The actor's
Speaker 1: name is Joseph Lyle Taylor and he's been Mickey D'Angelo
Speaker 1: in six episodes, a bunch of like season sixteen, seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 1: I feel like nineteen maybe, And they're like, okay, so
Speaker 1: you admit you had sex with a Paroli and Mickey
Speaker 1: d is like initiated by Tommy and Susan Sharon. She's
Speaker 1: truly like such a Sex and the City character here.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm human. I had a moment of weakness.
Speaker 1: Like she's kind of like grinning about like them having
Speaker 1: like hot office sex or whatever. And she describes the
Speaker 1: whole scene where like Tommy gave her a massage and
Speaker 1: he started kissing me and she said it was a
Speaker 1: bad idea, but he was aggressive. And then they're like
Speaker 1: did you say no? And she goes, when I say no,
Speaker 1: people listen, And he didn't rape me, and I certainly
Speaker 1: didn't rape him. She admits to performing oral sex on
Speaker 1: him and them having intercourse and she's like, I've been
Speaker 1: divorced for five years and it just felt good to
Speaker 1: be wanted. And they're like, okay, so, like, did you
Speaker 1: know he put in three requests to change po And
Speaker 1: she's like, well that's not surprising. I'm the toughest one,
Speaker 1: and he's like, but if you're so tough, why would
Speaker 1: he try to hit on you? That feels like a
Speaker 1: far shot to hit and she goes, paroles are manipulative.
Speaker 1: They think they have the upper hand. And then Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, isn't it your job to not let them
Speaker 1: have the upper hand. It's like okay, Rollins. And then
Speaker 1: they're like do you have a gun? Like where was
Speaker 1: your gun during this? And she's like, yeah, I carry
Speaker 1: and then she starts laughing like you think I held
Speaker 1: him at gunpoint? L ol. She goes, he was ready,
Speaker 1: willing and able, and again the boner is proof. Everybody
Speaker 1: cannot stop talking about this man's boner. They get up
Speaker 1: to leave and Donna is like, this guy is a criminal,
Speaker 1: a liar, and a recidivist. He came on to me,
Speaker 1: and now he's backtracking because his pregnant girlfriend found out
Speaker 1: he cheated on her. And then as she walks out,
Speaker 1: she gives Olivia this wild, like atta boy slap on
Speaker 1: the arm. It's really funny actually, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: she improvised it, because Olivia is like, the fuck, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm a sergeant and you just like smacked me on here,
Speaker 1: like in your bowling league with you and the lawyer
Speaker 1: is it's like, if you believe a scumbag over a
Speaker 1: fellow officer, you should be ashamed, and like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's real or not, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to mean anyone who's in corrections
Speaker 1: because that sounds like a very hard job. In this show,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like cops treat pos and like corrections
Speaker 1: officer people as like the same as them. It feels
Speaker 1: like they feel like they're lower on the totem pole
Speaker 1: in from what I garnered from ASVU. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's in real life. And so they they leave
Speaker 1: and Amorro's got like he's like, I've got the results
Speaker 1: of the drug test. Baggies. There's no DNA from Tommy
Speaker 1: on the packaging, so there's no proof he touched any
Speaker 1: of it. And they found touch DNA belonging to a
Speaker 1: guy named Jordan Delfi who's a parole drug dealer. And
Speaker 1: guess who his PO is. Ding Dong is Donna Marshall.
Speaker 1: So now we're at Jordan's apartment and he's got his
Speaker 1: girlfriend and his baby there. Amaro and Rollins start tossing
Speaker 1: the place immediately, Rollin's just like, who's just like Donna?
Speaker 1: Rollins finds that oxy with the quickness, and they go,
Speaker 1: Donna's been your PO for three years and you passed
Speaker 1: all your drug tests. And he's like, Donna made me
Speaker 1: give her that oxy. And they're like, in exchange for
Speaker 1: what clean drug tests? And he goes, yeah, she knows
Speaker 1: how to add just the right amount of vinegar to
Speaker 1: urine so that I can pass these tests. Is that real?
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's real. I should have googled it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. And he says he provides other services
Speaker 1: to Donna as well to assure the clean drug tests.
Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you mean And he's like,
Speaker 1: she's a divorce lonely lady. Use your imagination. When she
Speaker 1: says it's time for a piss test, the pants come down,
Speaker 1: and he says he once tried to say no, but
Speaker 1: she pulled the gun out. So here we go matching stories.
Speaker 1: So now live in crist you're talking to Barba, and
Speaker 1: Barba's like, okay, so both victims will testify an open
Speaker 1: court and they're like, yep, they will. Barba says, I've
Speaker 1: never taken a case like this to court, and I
Speaker 1: don't know a da who has. And I'm like, we
Speaker 1: in season three they take female rapists to court on
Speaker 1: this show, so I know that they have before, like
Speaker 1: the Casey Novack episode where she's not Casey Novack. Forget
Speaker 1: what that one's called, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: where the women like rape a stripper and I just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think they're found guilty for that crime.
Speaker 2: They're found guilty for murdering their murdering the girl. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's saying, like, no one's ever taken a female
Speaker 1: rapist to court in New York, Like this isn't gonna
Speaker 1: This is gonna be really tough, and he's like, the
Speaker 1: hard part is convincing a jury that a woman can
Speaker 1: rape a man at all. So again, this feels like
Speaker 1: something they would have done in like the early twenty's,
Speaker 1: but twenty fifteen, I feel like we were past this anyway.
Speaker 1: At Liv's apartment, she's giving Bella all these hand me
Speaker 1: downs from Noah and a cup of herbal tea, and
Speaker 1: she's like trying to assure Bella. She's like, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this for a really long time. I know that
Speaker 1: these assaults can be really hard on victims but also
Speaker 1: on their families. Everything Tommy has told us has checked out.
Speaker 1: He is not making this up. He did not want
Speaker 1: this to happen. And again she's like, but the boner,
Speaker 1: how could the boner happen with a gun to his head?
Speaker 1: And Benson goes it's a mechanical response, like a sneeze,
Speaker 1: or like crying when you cut onions. Like when you
Speaker 1: cut onions, tears come out of your eyes, but you're
Speaker 1: not sad, which is a good metaphor for this. I
Speaker 1: feel like and she's trust me, bitch, I've been doing
Speaker 1: this for like a million years. I've seen it. All
Speaker 1: this happens, and then little Noah squeaks awake, and I
Speaker 1: do like this Noah. He's very cute. He's got big
Speaker 1: cheeks and like long hair. He's cute. And he meets
Speaker 1: Bella and she's like immediately all smiles. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I guess she's keeping the baby. But in court, Coreesi
Speaker 1: is on the stand and Barbara is wrapping up with him,
Speaker 1: and now Donna' Laura lawyer Mickey Dee stands up and
Speaker 1: he's like didn't Tommy tell you about his alleged assault
Speaker 1: after you picked him up from jail? And he knows
Speaker 1: that you're an SVU detective, so maybe he was just
Speaker 1: trying to get your sympathy after he cheated on your sister.
Speaker 1: And he points out how Tommy didn't even think he
Speaker 1: was raped and only use that term after talking to
Speaker 1: Live and the SVU people, and they pan to Donna,
Speaker 1: and she looks smug as hell, and her hair looks
Speaker 1: very good for like a woman who's a parole officer.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I show me a picture
Speaker 1: of a parole officer who has shiny, silky hair like this.
Speaker 1: It looks really beautiful. And now Tommy is on the
Speaker 1: stand describing how Donna made him lian his and when
Speaker 1: he hesitated, she pulled the gun, so he did whatever
Speaker 1: she said. She handcuffed his wrist to her desk. Then
Speaker 1: she sked his d as we used to say at
Speaker 1: summer camp. Now she gave him oral you know sex,
Speaker 1: and then well but it wouldn't be called oral sex, right,
Speaker 1: She forcibly, you know, copulated him, and then she got
Speaker 1: on top of him for forcible penetration, and he was angry,
Speaker 1: and terrified. He was worried about Bella and that she
Speaker 1: was going to shoot him or send him back to jail.
Speaker 1: He's like, you got to understand, these pos have all
Speaker 1: the power over us. Like and so now her asshole
Speaker 1: lawyer is on the stand and is like, wow, the
Speaker 1: boner even with a gun to your head and the cuffs,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you guys should have had a doctor
Speaker 1: come in first and be like, yes, you can get
Speaker 1: a boner under duress, Like that would have been a
Speaker 1: good like baseline to start with, just so they can
Speaker 1: stop bringing this up to like him a million times.
Speaker 1: So then this lawyer is like, so, what's more likely
Speaker 1: that this decorated officer raped you and went to your
Speaker 1: house and planted drugs or that you got arrested and
Speaker 1: this decorated officer went to check on you and found
Speaker 1: the drugs and then you cried rapes. And it's like,
Speaker 1: but that's not the order that things happened. The rape
Speaker 1: cry was before the drugs, and there's many cops that
Speaker 1: can attest to that. So I hate this man. Barbara
Speaker 1: keeps objecting and having things stricken and like this he's
Speaker 1: one of these lawyers that doesn't care when it's like
Speaker 1: objection moved to strike, okay, stricken from the record, he
Speaker 1: doesn't care. He just moves on. I think he knows
Speaker 1: the jury is still hearing his point. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the judge in this episode is Judge Karen Blake. She's
Speaker 1: been in nineteen episodes of SVU. The actress's name is
Speaker 1: Amy Brabson and she is married to Andre Brower, whoa
Speaker 1: power couple. Yeah, damn, they're married. They got three kids,
Speaker 1: she is, and he's an SVU alum and you know,
Speaker 1: a Brooklyn nine favorite, and yeah, she's been in tons
Speaker 1: of episodes of s for You. Anyway, she grants a recess.
Speaker 1: Tommy goes and apologizes to Barbara and he's like, sorry,
Speaker 1: he was twisting all my words and he's like, Barbara goes,
Speaker 1: you did fine, but in a way that it's like
Speaker 1: you did not do fine. And he's like he's like,
Speaker 1: the attorney wants to know how the drugs got in there. Well,
Speaker 1: Jordan Dolphy's about to tell them, and so Barbara I
Speaker 1: just called him Barbara. So Barbarbara goes outside looking for
Speaker 1: Jordan and they can't find him, and there's this like
Speaker 1: courthouse officer who's like, oh, that's like squirrely little guy.
Speaker 1: He was Jones and for a smoke, so I told
Speaker 1: him to go outside. They all run outside. Jordan is gone.
Speaker 1: They try to scold this officer like how could you
Speaker 1: let him walk out of here? And he's like, uh,
Speaker 1: not my job, and they're like he's a material witness
Speaker 1: and he goes, now he's immaterial, So I guess if
Speaker 1: he walks back in here, I'll find him. But until then,
Speaker 1: fuck off, Like this officer gives like less the zero
Speaker 1: fucks about helping these use few detectives. And Barbara at
Speaker 1: the top of act four is begging the judge for
Speaker 1: a continuance. They're like, we've done an exhaustive search all
Speaker 1: night for Jordan and we can't find him. And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: but that other guy, Mickey Die goes she's got my
Speaker 1: client's got a write to a speedy trial. And the
Speaker 1: judge is like, you're right, and she denies the continue
Speaker 1: and then she goes, so are you gonna call any
Speaker 1: more witnesses? And she's and Barbara goes, Dolphie was our
Speaker 1: last witness, So it looks like the prosecution rests. So
Speaker 1: then the Nikky DiAngelo goes, well, then we'll call our
Speaker 1: first witness, Jordan Dolphie, and Barba goes, excuse me in
Speaker 1: a way that I would that is so vitriolic that
Speaker 1: I would like if I was on the receiving end
Speaker 1: of this excuse me from Barbara, I would truly like
Speaker 1: piss my pants and like curl into a ball. Like
Speaker 1: he is livid, and this like jackass lawyer is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Dolphie came to us in the dead of the
Speaker 1: night and says his confession was coerced by the police,
Speaker 1: and Barbara is fiuaeus. So now Jordan is on the
Speaker 1: stand saying, oh, yeah, the cops said that if I
Speaker 1: made a deal to testify against Donna, they would, you know,
Speaker 1: like take away a drug charge for me or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so like basically, this whole case against her is
Speaker 1: trumped up, and she's been so good to me and
Speaker 1: I can't have her go to down for something I did.
Speaker 1: I'm the one that sold Tommy all that oxy. She
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. And then it's Barba's
Speaker 1: turn to go up there, and he looks like he's
Speaker 1: about to dig into a juicy steak like a Wagoo
Speaker 1: beef steak. Like he's like, oh, hi, JORDI, Wow, you
Speaker 1: really just quoted Sandoval from vander Pump. I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he talked about. Katie So oh a
Speaker 2: Wagoo beef steak. I mean it is cool that she's
Speaker 2: the one that's suspicious of him and kind of breaking this.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's like, yeah, she's so vengeful, she's taught.
Speaker 2: She's sinking into this like a like a Wagoo beef steak.
Speaker 1: She's sala. That must be in the back of my mind.
Speaker 1: I did just watch that episode a few days ago.
Speaker 2: Which I don't even know if I've ever had. I
Speaker 2: gotta start eating this wagoo steak.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can tell you a good place to go too,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I don't eat it, but I went
Speaker 1: to a place with Jared once where they had it.
Speaker 1: Barbara goes to this man, what's up, Jeordie Georde. He goes,
Speaker 1: you haven't failed a drug test in three years? And
Speaker 1: he goes, right, because I'm clean, and it's like sure,
Speaker 1: Jan and he goes, but the detectives found oxy at
Speaker 1: your house and he goes, it's just for sale. I
Speaker 1: don't use and he goes, but you do use heroin
Speaker 1: and he goes no, And then Barba's like, can you
Speaker 1: roll those little sleeves up please for me? And you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, you can't ask me to do that, and
Speaker 1: the judge is like, actually, he can get those sleeves up,
Speaker 1: and he rolls them up, and those babies are riddled
Speaker 1: with track marks. And he's like, so are those fresh
Speaker 1: needle marks? And he admits that they are. And he's like, so,
Speaker 1: how do you pass three years of urine tests when
Speaker 1: you're clearly using hard drugs? And the asshole lawyer is like,
Speaker 1: can we get a recess? And Barbara goes, now, he's
Speaker 1: my witness, and this is like peak Barbara. Like Barba's like,
Speaker 1: you do not fuck with me the way you just
Speaker 1: tried to, sir, and I am coming for you. Didn't
Speaker 1: you tell SVU that Donna doctored your urine tests with
Speaker 1: vinegar and that you had sex with Donna in exchange
Speaker 1: for those clean tests? And then Jordan breaks down and
Speaker 1: starts yelling in to the galley, being like you said
Speaker 1: you were going to fix this, and he's not even
Speaker 1: talking to Donna. He's talking to her boss, Ralph Kessel,
Speaker 1: the guy we met at the beginning, and so Barbara goes,
Speaker 1: so did he convince you to testify for the defense?
Speaker 1: And the guy, poor Jordan, I mean, he goes, these
Speaker 1: people own your ass. You want to stay out of prison,
Speaker 1: you do anything they say, So it's not like he
Speaker 1: had much of a choice in like coming up with
Speaker 1: this story, I feel like. And the lawyer again goes,
Speaker 1: I need a recess your honor, and Barba goes, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you do, and then he walks by. The lawyer
Speaker 1: leans in and goes, never trust a junkie, and the
Speaker 1: lawyer goes. The lawyer makes a look like he's right,
Speaker 1: and he looks very defeated, and it's hilarious. I like
Speaker 1: watching this guy get his just desserts. In the next scene,
Speaker 1: Barbara and Liver are in a room meeting with Donna
Speaker 1: and her lawyer and she's willing to plead guilty to
Speaker 1: evidence tampering and lose her job and they're like, she
Speaker 1: raped a man at gunpoint, and he's like, there's no
Speaker 1: proof of that. No jury is going to convict a
Speaker 1: female rapist like they basically never have, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be humiliated by talking about her sex life
Speaker 1: life up there. It lives like or going to jail
Speaker 1: as a parole officer, which is very likely right now.
Speaker 1: And so then the guy goes, okay, evidence tampering, one
Speaker 1: year probation, and they're like, what about the rape And
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, we'll add sexual misconduct, and Barbara wants
Speaker 1: five years probation and she goes on the registry and
Speaker 1: she goes, that doesn't work for me, and Live goes,
Speaker 1: you better rethink that, bitch, because if you go to
Speaker 1: jail for five years as a PO, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a really brutal for you. And Donna looks scared shitless,
Speaker 1: and so she kind of like wordlessly agrees, like there's
Speaker 1: no way I can go to jail, so let's not
Speaker 1: gamble with the jury. So then Donna gets one last
Speaker 1: monologue to Olivia. She goes, you don't get what it's like.
Speaker 1: You cops lock these animals up and you never have
Speaker 1: to deal with them again. I'm supposed to rehabilitate them.
Speaker 1: I give up my life and my marriage for this job.
Speaker 1: And then tom By Goldberg, Yes, it's very what be
Speaker 1: Goldberg's final thing? She goes, and then Tommy Sullivan walks
Speaker 1: in all pumped about his pregnant girlfriend and his wonderful
Speaker 1: new life, like obviously, that's like what broke her about
Speaker 1: the whole situation was that he was like going to
Speaker 1: get out of the system and be happy. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's like, this is a guy who sold weed while
Speaker 1: delivering pizza. He's not a murderer. She's like you, these animals,
Speaker 1: they never change. It's like he was a weed delivery guy.
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy what you're how you're trying to
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have other clients that are horrible.
Speaker 2: No, but parole officers are like the people that love
Speaker 2: law enforcement. It's like lawn or rules are rules, like
Speaker 2: they don't they don't care, right, they don't see the difference.
Speaker 2: Like to them, the law is the law, and that's
Speaker 2: that these are not These are people that would be,
Speaker 2: you know, working at Auschwitz because the rules are the rules,
Speaker 2: Like they don't see, they don't That's what's weird. That's
Speaker 2: why I don't believe that someone that majored in sociology
Speaker 2: and social work would be a parole officer.
Speaker 1: That's why it's.
Speaker 2: Criminal justice people, because if you learn about like wait,
Speaker 2: so if you're like poor and you don't have a
Speaker 2: parent in the home, and then your options are limited
Speaker 2: and your school sucks, and then maybe you will be
Speaker 2: more open to crime. Yeah, oh fuck. But criminal justice
Speaker 2: people are like, well, you back a law, law, and
Speaker 2: that's what it is. And we got to teach these
Speaker 2: fuckers a lesson and so it doesn't matter where you're from,
Speaker 2: morals or morals. And that's what Jesus Christ said, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so that's why I'm so into my series.
Speaker 1: Christ said. When Jesus Christ wrote the penal codes for
Speaker 1: New York's Stay, he clearly said, well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: She goes on in this like monologue to live and
Speaker 1: she goes I tried to help him. I tried to
Speaker 1: help all of them, and they take your hand and
Speaker 1: they drag you down to their level. They don't want
Speaker 1: to change, they will never change, And it's like, are
Speaker 1: they is the show trying to make us think that
Speaker 1: like criminals like ruined this woman's life and made her delusional,
Speaker 1: Like because what is she talking about? She committed a
Speaker 1: crime like she knows she did, like we saw it
Speaker 1: almost happen on the show. So it's weird that she's
Speaker 1: like somehow Tommy Sullivan dragged you down to his level. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand what the show is trying to say
Speaker 1: with this final monologue about this woman. Yes, it's a
Speaker 1: hard job. It's like with Whoopie Goldberg's monologue, It's like,
Speaker 1: this is a fucking hard job. Kids fall through the
Speaker 1: cracks and tragedies like this happened because this system is
Speaker 1: fucked up. What is she saying though the system is
Speaker 1: fucked up. I get all these animals, So if I
Speaker 1: want to rape a guy who delivered weed and pizza, sometime,
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to do that. Like, I don't really get
Speaker 1: what she's saying, or like what the show is trying
Speaker 1: to say here about her worldview because she's just blaming
Speaker 1: it on criminals. But I guess it's about the dehumanization
Speaker 1: of people that have been in jail or incarcerated at all,
Speaker 1: like X convex, Like she's just like, these are animals
Speaker 1: and they're all the same, and it's one size fits all.
Speaker 1: They're all degenerates, they'll all try to screw you over,
Speaker 1: so what does it matter what we do to them? Basically,
Speaker 1: and Barba's like, get this hot mess out of here,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, she's sick. So they leave and
Speaker 1: Careesy is giving Bella the update back at the apartment.
Speaker 1: No jail for Donna, but she is losing her job.
Speaker 1: She's going on the sex registry and they're gonna look
Speaker 1: at her boss Kressel as well see if he's been
Speaker 1: doing more cover ups. And they're dropping the drug charge
Speaker 1: against Tommy, so he'll get out soon. So we're basically
Speaker 1: back where we started at the beginning. Tommy and Bella
Speaker 1: in the apartment. What's happening with this baby? So Caresi
Speaker 1: tells her sister it took a real man for him
Speaker 1: to get up in court and tell the truth. And
Speaker 1: he did what he did for you and the baby.
Speaker 1: And suddenly there's a knock at the door and it's
Speaker 1: Tommy and it's like, doesn't he live there? I don't
Speaker 1: know why he's knocking, but they hug like they there's
Speaker 1: a moment where you can't tell her, babe, he changed
Speaker 1: the locks. Yeah, oh that's true. Maybe she did. There's
Speaker 1: a moment where you're like, yeah, maybe she changed the locks.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's changed her mind about this guy altogether, Like
Speaker 1: she finally broke after ten years of this shit, and
Speaker 1: then she brings him in for a hug and it
Speaker 1: feels like, you know, they're gonna be okay, and he goes,
Speaker 1: it's all gonna be okay. We're gonna be okay. And
Speaker 1: so at first I wrote, you kind of can't tell
Speaker 1: if she kept the baby or not because she had
Speaker 1: kind of a guilty look when like he opened the door,
Speaker 1: like we were like, oh did she get did she
Speaker 1: do an abortion? And I was like, ooh, it's a
Speaker 1: Catholic KARESI mystery, But she did keep it because I
Speaker 1: remembered that. In Patrimonial Burden, Coreesi mentions having a new niece,
Speaker 1: and then in the episode What Can Happen in the Dark,
Speaker 1: he mentions that Bella and Tommy got married, so you know,
Speaker 1: baby or no baby, that's dick Wolf. But it looks
Speaker 1: like Bella and Tommy finally got hitched and have their
Speaker 1: little family. And so hopefully he's turning over a new leaf.
Speaker 2: And that's sad it is And weed is now legal
Speaker 2: in New York City, so hopefully he invested well and
Speaker 2: is now just working at a weed shop.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope his record gets expunged because that's like
Speaker 1: three years out of his life, and he's got a
Speaker 1: record when he tries to get jobs and shit for weed.
Speaker 1: Alana was posting on four twenty about how we got
Speaker 1: to like support these groups, about getting governors to give
Speaker 1: clemency to all these weed defenses, and she's right. It's
Speaker 1: like so fucked up people are running in jail for
Speaker 1: weed when like I can walk out of my door
Speaker 1: and like get smacked with a weed shop in three seconds,
Speaker 1: you know. Fucked up? Yeah, Like, okay, the laws changed,
Speaker 1: let everybody out like it's wild, but that I am.
Speaker 1: They want the free labor. Yeah, oh yeah, we charges
Speaker 1: going away is gonna like empty out a lot of
Speaker 1: the jails and a lot of not empty them out completely,
Speaker 1: of course, but like thin them out. But I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to hearing about the crimes that you've got lined
Speaker 1: up for us. So everybody just listen to these messages
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Speaker 2: So today's crimes are super quick, short, but we got
Speaker 2: a couple and they're right around the time of this episode,
Speaker 2: so it's the ease. The first case is the Samantha
Speaker 2: Werner case, and it's some Kentucky action.
Speaker 1: If I've ever seen any Kentucky crimes.
Speaker 2: So it's a correctional officer named Samantha Werner, and she
Speaker 2: was this is what I mean. It's like they won't
Speaker 2: say she was engaging in a sexual relationship with a
Speaker 2: man who was being supervised by the Department of Corrections.
Speaker 2: And that's how the Kentucky News, a CBS affiliate, wrote
Speaker 2: it out. So I don't know they met while he
Speaker 2: was incarcerated, and she was a corrections officer at the
Speaker 2: Kentucky State Reformatory KSR, which sounds like a radio station.
Speaker 2: And what's so funny, so I don't know how to say,
Speaker 2: is Andrew Dysmuke's d mux Us. Yeah, he was one
Speaker 2: of the comics that was with us at Moon Tower,
Speaker 2: and he did a joke that he loves watching biopics
Speaker 2: and his favorite part is at the end of the
Speaker 2: movie where they show the photo of the real person
Speaker 2: and he's like, they're not as hot, and that I
Speaker 2: and that he doesn't care about the movie anymore because
Speaker 2: it's like I only cared because these people were hot,
Speaker 2: and that's how I feel about this. This woman should
Speaker 2: be so lucky that Susan Sharon was playing her, and
Speaker 2: that's how I feel. But they do have a similar
Speaker 2: blonde vibes. But it is I just kept thinking about
Speaker 2: his joke because it was so recent from when I
Speaker 2: heard it to when I did this research, and I
Speaker 2: did keep laughing at every article I found. But so
Speaker 2: this guy, her victim, was paroled on January second, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: and they engaged in so they were not doing anything
Speaker 2: while he was incarcerated. They started engaging in a relationship
Speaker 2: January fifth to the eleventh, while he was serving time
Speaker 2: in a halfway home. And then Samantha was married at
Speaker 2: the time of the crime. And I'll explain why it
Speaker 2: was a crime because you're like, wait, but he's out,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's not a PO she's a correction she's
Speaker 1: a CEO. When your right.
Speaker 2: Fifteenth, the man notified iab okay tuk what's up her?
Speaker 2: So Internal Affairs department, he let them know because Werner
Speaker 2: threatened him, so he wanted to end their fuck relationship,
Speaker 2: but she wouldn't let him, and she said that if
Speaker 2: he ended it, she would send him back to prison
Speaker 2: if he didn't continue the relationship.
Speaker 1: So that's what happened.
Speaker 2: So there was evidence, there was texts from her and
Speaker 2: nude photos, and then Werner eventually gave a taped confession
Speaker 2: that she did engage in intercourse and oral with the
Speaker 2: man while he was a parole under the Department of Corrections.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so she's still in the same department and
Speaker 1: that's the crime for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and the threat of like yes, yeah. So
Speaker 2: she was charged with third degree rape, third degree sodomy,
Speaker 2: and first degree official misconduct and she lost her job.
Speaker 2: The Department of Corrections spokesperson in Kentucky, Lisa Lamb, said
Speaker 2: the doc does not tolerate this type of activity from
Speaker 2: her staff in any form, and it is a Class
Speaker 2: D felony, and she said this to Waive three News.
Speaker 2: I could not find any court activity or convictions, but
Speaker 2: I did find her on the sex Registry list, so
Speaker 2: that does mean she was convicted of something, but I
Speaker 2: could not. Like all the articles I found were like
Speaker 2: when this happened, So February of twenty fourteen, it was
Speaker 2: like charged, charged, charged, and that's why our news sucks.
Speaker 2: It was like ooh, salacious, silatious, and then there was
Speaker 2: no updates on convictions. But since she's on the registry,
Speaker 2: we can assume she was convicted of something. She has
Speaker 2: tons of aliases. But I found her and she's in Milton, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: She's forty eight years old, and yeah, Samantha and Clay
Speaker 2: Combe as of now, and she's living it out in Kentucky.
Speaker 1: So she either got convicted or she made a deal
Speaker 1: like the way Susan shaedafted.
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right. So she might have not and
Speaker 2: just gotten on the registry. But she's living living large
Speaker 2: in Kentucky and you know, got fired and yeah, they
Speaker 2: were fucking from like the fifth to the eleventh. He
Speaker 2: was like, I've had enough and she was like, nah,
Speaker 2: a bitch, you're going back to prison. And he said, no,
Speaker 2: you're gonna You're about to lose your job.
Speaker 1: You were about to lose your job and she did
Speaker 1: and so sorry Sammy.
Speaker 2: And then this next case was on the wiki. We
Speaker 2: will cover it. I it happened, you know, in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: so it could have influenced it because it was a
Speaker 2: man with gunpoint. Can someone get hard or not? But
Speaker 2: this doesn't relate in terms of like corrections or anything
Speaker 2: like that. So this is what happened, And this happened
Speaker 2: in Chicago in my county, Cook County.
Speaker 1: What's up? So we have to cover it.
Speaker 2: Obviously we have to cover So this case is the
Speaker 2: Sierra Ross case. So Siarah Ross at the time was
Speaker 2: a twenty five year old mother and she was driving
Speaker 2: around and she picked up a stranger who was a
Speaker 2: thirty three year old man, and she basically was like,
Speaker 2: you know, middle of the night, four or five in
Speaker 2: the morning, and she was like, offered a man a ride,
Speaker 2: and he got into her car and then at gunpoint,
Speaker 2: she forced him to have sex with another woman in.
Speaker 1: The back of the vehicle. Oh not even her, a
Speaker 1: separate nomen Yes, her friend.
Speaker 2: And again the articles all say forced him to have
Speaker 2: sex with another woman. Wow, it was not ray, it
Speaker 2: was not it was forced to have sex. Like all
Speaker 2: the language is different, so crazy. Yeah, So the Assistant
Speaker 2: States Attorney, Amanda Pillsbury, which obviously reminds me of the
Speaker 2: dough Boy, what's up? And she told a Chicago judge
Speaker 2: that the incident began around, like I said, five in
Speaker 2: the morning on July twenty sixth. So I think the
Speaker 2: taste of Chicago is raging. The city is alive, it's hot,
Speaker 2: everyone's out and about so she offered the victim a ride,
Speaker 2: and after he got in the car, she pulled a
Speaker 2: gun on him and demanded he get into the backseat
Speaker 2: of the car and have sex with her friend. And
Speaker 2: it's like okay, like was her, what's going on? Like
Speaker 2: I want more details? Like it really bothers me that
Speaker 2: I couldn't get more information on anything. He begged for
Speaker 2: them to stop, but she forced him to put his
Speaker 2: hands on her breasts and butt, and then the man
Speaker 2: eventually escaped when he saw a CAB's headlights nearby, and
Speaker 2: he escaped wearing only a T shirt.
Speaker 1: So Winnie the Poose style just ran.
Speaker 2: He flagged a cab and the cab driver was super
Speaker 2: helpful and allowed the victim to use his cell phone
Speaker 2: to take a picture of the license plate and then
Speaker 2: email himself the picture of the attacker's license plate.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Also, according to the Chicago Sun Times, he picked Ross
Speaker 2: out of a lineup, so he had two bits of evidence.
Speaker 2: So it was the license plate Ross out of a lineup,
Speaker 2: and then there was also DNA evidence and then Ross,
Speaker 2: a mother of two, worked at a local Denny's restaurant
Speaker 2: and had a previous conviction for a prostitution. She was
Speaker 2: booked by Cook County Sheriff's Department on September fifth and
Speaker 2: charged with aggravated criminal sexual assault and armed robbery for
Speaker 2: stealing two hundred dollars and his credit cards and an iPhone.
Speaker 1: The other woman was not charged what I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then Sierra was held because she was not able
Speaker 2: to pay her seventy five thousand dollars bail or bond
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then same thing. I was not able
Speaker 2: to find anything about a conviction or anything. But this
Speaker 2: person was not on any registry, so I don't know
Speaker 2: if she settled what happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know where she is. I cannot find any updates.
Speaker 2: If anyone is better and can find any information, let
Speaker 2: me know. But I was looking for court information counties,
Speaker 2: like I could not find anything additional about the case
Speaker 2: or what ended up happening.
Speaker 1: But that happened. Wow, wow wow wow. That just seems
Speaker 1: like a wild like I don't know, let's just pick
Speaker 1: up a guy and get him to do I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh so crazy. Well thanks for looking into
Speaker 1: those two.
Speaker 2: Well, part of me is like maybe they were on drugs,
Speaker 2: but like they would have been charged probably for drug
Speaker 2: stuff for drug tested right.
Speaker 1: I do think the friend threw Sierra under the bus
Speaker 1: and was like she forced me to Like I didn't
Speaker 1: I the gun was on me. Also like that's why
Speaker 1: she didn't get charged. I don't know. Wow, everybody is
Speaker 1: very wild in this world. But our next guest is
Speaker 1: a good one. You guys are going to love it.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. Our guest today is an actor who
Speaker 1: has done a ton of incredible projects. He's played Cal
Speaker 1: Chapman on Orange is the New Black because you know
Speaker 1: we are going to collect them all, and he has
Speaker 1: a main role on the show on Apple called Severance
Speaker 1: that people are obsessed with. He's also in the new
Speaker 1: Rachel Vice show called Dead Ringers. But you know him
Speaker 1: today as Bella Caresi's sad sack boyfriend Tommy Sullivan. Guys,
Speaker 1: please check out our chat with Michael Churnis.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: We're so pumped.
Speaker 2: I mean not to be too creepy, but I did
Speaker 2: see you at Baggage Claim at JFK like last month.
Speaker 2: I feel if you felt like someone was staring at you,
Speaker 2: it was me.
Speaker 3: Is that why I got asked to do this podcast?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: No, we've been trying for a while and we have
Speaker 2: a mutual as well. But when I texted care immediately,
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's here. Yeah, it was a sign now
Speaker 2: CARESI is brother in law.
Speaker 1: We had to do it. Yeah, old Tommy boy, poor
Speaker 1: guy Tommy Sullivan.
Speaker 3: That a tough go.
Speaker 1: What how did your SVU like story start? You started
Speaker 1: out on season thirteen? Do you remember auditioning? Did you
Speaker 1: like the show in advance? Like, are you one of
Speaker 1: those people, like a New York actor who'd been in
Speaker 1: that room like twelve times and then you finally got
Speaker 1: an SVU part?
Speaker 3: I yes, I had been in all the rooms like
Speaker 3: twelve this, so I've only ever done SVU. I never
Speaker 3: did Law and Order Classic. I never did Criminal Intent.
Speaker 3: I feel like I auditioned for Criminal Intent, like not
Speaker 3: even kidding, like twenty times. I remember this audition because well,
Speaker 3: actually sorry, I auditioned for the first one Educated Guests.
Speaker 3: I remember because it's the two scenes. There's an interrogation
Speaker 3: scene and then there's the scene in the mental health
Speaker 3: facility where I throw the chair and that's like some
Speaker 3: acting is required, and so in an audition that's always
Speaker 3: awkward where you just have to go for it and
Speaker 3: people are just staring at you, and I really thought
Speaker 3: I totally screwed it up and was shocked when I
Speaker 3: got offered that episode.
Speaker 1: Did you throw a chair? How did you do it
Speaker 1: in the room?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I did not throw a chair,
Speaker 3: but I think I like picked up the chair that
Speaker 3: you know, that horrible half acting thing in an audition
Speaker 3: where I picked it up and like gestured like I
Speaker 3: threw it and I had to put it back down.
Speaker 3: But then I think I was just offered this one
Speaker 3: that we're talking about right for all violations because I
Speaker 3: was a returning friend. I was shocked to look up
Speaker 3: how close they were together. They're only three and a
Speaker 3: half years apart. Yeah, yeah, I had forgotten how close.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are two different characters and they're totally
Speaker 3: pretty close together in the Cannon.
Speaker 1: Yes, And we talk about that all the time. We
Speaker 1: debate because sometimes it bothers me if somebody is too close,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I remember that guy from another episode, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he hasn't had time to clear in my mind yet
Speaker 1: before he gets into another episode.
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 1: And I knew you from other stuff, so I was
Speaker 1: just like, it's fine, we'll get him back in here.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about the iced tea moment in
Speaker 2: your first episode? Being in his diamond was sparkling, sparkling.
Speaker 3: I was so intimidated. I was. I was a big
Speaker 3: fan of iced tea. I'm a fan of iced tea,
Speaker 3: but as a kid, I loved him. And uh, Coco
Speaker 3: was there. She was there, and that was wild. You
Speaker 3: probably everyone has talked about this, but the dressing room
Speaker 3: area is really small, and so everybody's just kind of
Speaker 3: their rooms are all right there, and so Coco was
Speaker 3: just like hanging out in the dressing room area. And
Speaker 3: I don't even ice mister t I don't remember whatever
Speaker 3: I used to call him, but he was great. He
Speaker 3: was lovely, and it was you know, it's always very fast.
Speaker 3: I rewatched both of them recently. I was like, god,
Speaker 3: I remember just when you're guess, it's such a weird
Speaker 3: thing to be dropped in the middle of this, you know,
Speaker 3: especially with SVU, this train that's just been rolling for
Speaker 3: years and everybody, the regulars, know what they're doing, and
Speaker 3: you're just it's your first day and it's just crazy,
Speaker 3: you know. And so he was awesome. I don't really
Speaker 3: remember much more than just being totally freaked out and
Speaker 3: probably have like standing outside of myself the whole time.
Speaker 3: And yeah, but he was great. And the chair throwing
Speaker 3: day was weird because anytime you have to do any
Speaker 3: kind of anything that could be violent, even though it's
Speaker 3: like I'm throwing it at a wall, there's just so
Speaker 3: many more people who are involved on set, like stunt coordinators,
Speaker 3: And I just got really in my head about throwing
Speaker 3: this chair, and I remember just like, how do I
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 3: How would I? So, yeah, it's just always very awkward
Speaker 3: to be dropped in the middle of a show like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so were you nervously you wouldn't throw the chair
Speaker 2: hard enough or.
Speaker 3: Like I'd throw it hard enough, or like throw it
Speaker 3: on the mark, or that it would just look wimpy,
Speaker 3: or that I would it would bounce off the wall
Speaker 3: and like hit somebody, like kill Danny Pino or something.
Speaker 3: It's such a weird thing too. I'm sure everybody talks
Speaker 3: about this, but you know, everyone on these episodes are
Speaker 3: just great New York actors who I've known for years.
Speaker 3: I've known Kelly Gettish for years, and Peter Scanavino and
Speaker 3: all these people I've just we've all been in play
Speaker 3: readings and audition rooms together for decades now, and so
Speaker 3: it's so fun to watch Law and Order and just
Speaker 3: see this great parade of New York actors every episode.
Speaker 1: So what happened when you, like, originally read the script
Speaker 1: for this, were you surprised? Because this is like a
Speaker 1: literal flipping of the script. The show does not have
Speaker 1: grown male victims that often on the show, and they
Speaker 1: kind of twisted things around here. So when you first
Speaker 1: read it and.
Speaker 2: The drug dealer reveal, I feel is like an exciting
Speaker 2: twist as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was honored to be a victim, I know.
Speaker 3: I remember reading it and thinking, Wow, this is a
Speaker 3: real this is really meaty, this is a this is
Speaker 3: a challenge because I think previously some of the other
Speaker 3: parts I'd auditioned for on SVU were like smaller, you know, this,
Speaker 3: this really there were a lot of scenes and it
Speaker 3: was it was sort of this unexpected twist. I feel
Speaker 3: like now even now it feels a little dated, but
Speaker 3: at the time it was like shocking. I remember the
Speaker 3: commercials for it before the episode air were like a
Speaker 3: male rape victim, dun dun, du, Like it was just
Speaker 3: something you've never heard of Yeah, which, of course it
Speaker 3: of course that happens as they talk about in the episode.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I felt like, oh, this is exciting, this
Speaker 3: is different. This could I don't want to say like groundbreaking,
Speaker 3: but it could be interesting and something that people don't
Speaker 3: usually see or think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it felt like a good challenge.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I think like what we're done. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm like all over the place. I feel like we
Speaker 1: both are huge orangs. So we love it. I love
Speaker 1: your character from that show with cal and there seemed
Speaker 1: to be like a little bit of him in this.
Speaker 1: What's the timeline? Like, was this while you were doing
Speaker 1: Orange or was this like after?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was doing it. I mean, you know, Orange
Speaker 3: is seven seasons, so so much of what I've done
Speaker 3: has been also while Orange was happening. There's a moment
Speaker 3: in one of the earlier seasons of Orange where I
Speaker 3: was also on a World War two drama called Manhattan
Speaker 3: about the Manhattan Project in the creation of bum and
Speaker 3: so I had like a short nineteen forties mustache all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, and I had they had to write
Speaker 3: something into Orange where Piper says like, are you in
Speaker 3: like a World War two cosplay group or something. And
Speaker 3: so I feel like I was always showing up with
Speaker 3: different like hair lengths and stuff on Orange because I
Speaker 3: was just a recurring character. Yeah, yeah, a couple. So
Speaker 3: yeah this this I think aired in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, violations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, that was right in that we shot
Speaker 3: the first episode of Orange. We shot in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: I think it was like the fall of twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: And you know, it was so weird back then. We
Speaker 3: didn't know what it was going to be because a
Speaker 3: Netflix show like House of Cards hadn't come out yet.
Speaker 3: There was no blueprint for like what a streaming show was.
Speaker 3: You had HBO shows, but like what's the Netflix show.
Speaker 3: So we shot that whole first season not really knowing
Speaker 3: like what the impact of it was going to be, and.
Speaker 2: It changed everything, really did in a lot of ways. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're in a hit show now, Yeah, several.
Speaker 3: A hit New York show.
Speaker 1: It feels great that shoots in New York too.
Speaker 3: That's a New York show. Wow, wow wow, yeah, severances.
Speaker 3: I think it's amazing. And you know, I always think
Speaker 3: it's kind of hokey when actors say this, but it's
Speaker 3: I think it's a work of art, Like just visual
Speaker 3: what the design team and our cinematographer and our producer
Speaker 3: Ben Stiller did visually alone isn't extraordinary, And then the
Speaker 3: writing is incredible, the detail that's involved, and then the performances.
Speaker 3: It's really I think a special program do you play?
Speaker 1: Like what kind of character do you play in that?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I see like a through line
Speaker 1: kind of between Cal and this character on SVU, But like,
Speaker 1: are you somebody totally different on severance or like not
Speaker 1: at all, kind of like a lovable like what I
Speaker 1: didn't know?
Speaker 3: I think it must it must just be me because
Speaker 3: people on Twitter, not always in a nice way, have
Speaker 3: been saying like he plays the same part and everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy is like a little more grown
Speaker 3: up maybe than Cal, but he's a sort of a
Speaker 3: pretentious New age like self help writer, but he's definitely
Speaker 3: like hippie dippy. And his name is doctor Rick and Hale.
Speaker 3: And I'm married to the main character's sister. My wife
Speaker 3: is Adam Scott's character's sister, so I'm Mark the main
Speaker 3: character's brother in law. And I don't want to spoil anything,
Speaker 3: but I've written a book called The You You are
Speaker 3: that is a self help book that then has some
Speaker 3: impact on the.
Speaker 1: Ruh Okay, yeah, no spoilers. I really want to watch
Speaker 1: the whole thing I'm.
Speaker 2: Talking about, kind of like the lovable silliness of your characters.
Speaker 2: And I really love the scene where they're visiting you
Speaker 2: and your your prison jumpsuit and they let you know
Speaker 2: that they like told a supervisor and You're.
Speaker 1: Like, what the why would you do that?
Speaker 2: And I knew it was all very serious, but I
Speaker 2: did find myself like laughing during that scene.
Speaker 3: No, it's ridiculous. I watched it too, and I was laughing,
Speaker 3: what is going on? Because I'm just in this orange
Speaker 3: trump or I look like a giant orange toddler, and uh,
Speaker 3: we're happiness. It feels like like the blocking is like
Speaker 3: we're trying to be in like reservoir dogs or something too.
Speaker 3: It's media Peters Cannabino and Danny Pino and we're just
Speaker 3: like standing around, moving around like we're talking. I think
Speaker 3: the directors should like just be quiet. I was trying
Speaker 3: to do like a big acting thing at one point,
Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, but someone could be listening.
Speaker 3: You never know if a guard's gonna walk by. Or whatever. No,
Speaker 3: it's hushed. I love how seriously everyone takes being on SVU,
Speaker 3: because like when you're watching it at home, I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: No, I know, And like, especially if you go into
Speaker 1: old seasons, we always talk about how like there's really campy,
Speaker 1: kind of crazy episodes in like the earlier seasons. It's
Speaker 1: become like more serious now where they don't really do
Speaker 1: that anymore. But back in the day it would be like, wait,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a gibbon in a basketball what's happening? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, there would be like all these wacky episodes.
Speaker 1: But also I think it's funny when like you're obviously
Speaker 1: a skilled dramatic actor, but you've done comedy as well,
Speaker 1: and you can just tell when comedy people like they
Speaker 1: can't not make so funny sometimes, Like like even Martin
Speaker 1: Short was like a total creep in an episode of SBU,
Speaker 1: but he had like one or two lines where you're like,
Speaker 1: you can still tell he's a comedy guy. You know
Speaker 1: this horrible like killing There.
Speaker 3: Are plenty of funny creeps.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love to be funny while they're being creepy. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I think you have to I mean you have to
Speaker 3: say yes to the moment, right, I mean that's sort
Speaker 3: of easy. But like if you're standing around in a
Speaker 3: orange jumper talking to detectives with New York accents, it's
Speaker 3: just you kind of are like it just you have
Speaker 3: to acknowledge the ridiculousness of it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes Oh yeah made New York accents. Those two.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, there's some big accents happening too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, Wow, everyone's going for it.
Speaker 1: Cheated on my pregnant sister, Like yeah, bella, bella creasy.
Speaker 1: I do want to know.
Speaker 2: You know, you've been working out there, You're booked, you're
Speaker 2: a blessed and worked with cool people. Are so are
Speaker 2: there moments that you've been really starstruck or you've been
Speaker 2: like holy shit, Like what are kind of your you know,
Speaker 2: things you'd like to share highlight wise where you were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, so many.
Speaker 3: One. Very recently, I was at the Critics' Choice Awards
Speaker 3: on the Red Carpet, and which is just a cavalcade
Speaker 3: of starstruck. You know, all these very famous people. But
Speaker 3: I was doing some on camera interview and they're all
Speaker 3: just one right after the other in a line you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm talking to some person and next to me,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden appears Paul Riser. And as a teenager,
Speaker 3: I was obsessed with Matt About You. I'm not even
Speaker 3: kidding obsessed. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and I
Speaker 3: really wanted to move to New York and I really
Speaker 3: wanted to be an actor, and I think for me
Speaker 3: it it felt like a real honest representation of living
Speaker 3: in New York City. So my junior of high school,
Speaker 3: there was always like the Fall Play and the Spring Musical.
Speaker 3: But in the winter there was this open slot called
Speaker 3: the Underground Theater at my high school where juniors and
Speaker 3: seniors could direct like a little skit or whatever. They
Speaker 3: would give upperclassmen like a half an hour to direct
Speaker 3: something at my high school. And so I decided I
Speaker 3: would direct an episode of Mad About You for the
Speaker 3: stage oh and cast myself as Paul Buckman, which is
Speaker 3: the character Paul Riser played. And I was going to
Speaker 3: choose a crossover Seinfeld Mad About You episode where Kramer
Speaker 3: appears and we find out that Kramer's apartment on Seinfeld
Speaker 3: actually used to belong to Paul Reiser, and he's actually
Speaker 3: subletting it to Kramer. So I now have the task
Speaker 3: of casting a Kramer from Rocky River High School in
Speaker 3: the suburbs of Cleveland, and also in nineteen ninety three
Speaker 3: or whenever, this was how you adapted Mad About You
Speaker 3: for the stage, or how I did to tape it
Speaker 3: with the DCR and then press play and then they'd
Speaker 3: say a line, you press pause and write it down
Speaker 3: on a piece of paper. And so I hand wrote
Speaker 3: the entire episode and then took it to my dad's
Speaker 3: office on the weekend to use the xerox machine and
Speaker 3: xerox copies of this and held auditions at my high school.
Speaker 3: And so like I was this Mad About You super
Speaker 3: fan who like did a Rushmore style stage production, And
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, years later, I'm standing a sub
Speaker 3: Pauliser on the carpet and I freaked out, like I
Speaker 3: couldn't believe I was staying Wow, my hero. I got
Speaker 3: to work with Tom Hanks on Captain Phillips for like
Speaker 3: eight weeks, which was extraordinary, and we one of the
Speaker 3: first nights we both slept overnight on the ship like
Speaker 3: we were normally staying at a hotel, but we had
Speaker 3: a real, actual merchant Marine container ship that we shot
Speaker 3: the movie on, and we asked if we could like
Speaker 3: spend the night at sea with a real crew of
Speaker 3: actual merchantcymen who were operating the ship. And so that
Speaker 3: was crazy. Meeting him and spending that much time with
Speaker 3: him was definitely a starstruck moment.
Speaker 1: The idea was it to sleep on the ship.
Speaker 3: It was Tom's and I just totally you know, weaseled
Speaker 3: my way in. I was like, I want to do
Speaker 3: that too. But another quick Cleveland story. When I was
Speaker 3: a kid, my best friend's mom worked at the local
Speaker 3: regional theater, the Great Legs Theater Festival, and that's actually
Speaker 3: where Hanks got his very first professional acting job, like
Speaker 3: where he got his equity card during Shakespeare and he
Speaker 3: comes back a lot to like give back and he
Speaker 3: did this one night fundraiser where he did a one
Speaker 3: man performance or whatever, and my best friend's mom was like,
Speaker 3: do you guys want to come see the show for
Speaker 3: free and then you can work the after party like
Speaker 3: be bus boys or whatever. I was like, oh my god, yes,
Speaker 3: I have to do that. And our first task of
Speaker 3: the night after the show was to stand at this
Speaker 3: Cleveland restaurant in the parking lot. It was a snowy, cold,
Speaker 3: bitter cold Cleveland night, and we had to stand in
Speaker 3: the parking space right in front of the restaurant, right
Speaker 3: in front of the door for mister Hanks's car. And
Speaker 3: we're out there freezing all night waiting for him to
Speaker 3: show up. And his car finally pulls up and he
Speaker 3: jumps out of the car and he's really skinny because
Speaker 3: he'd been doing Philadelphia at the time. Oh, and he's
Speaker 3: got this weird little beanie cap on and he sees
Speaker 3: us and he goes, how's it going, cats, And like
Speaker 3: my little teenage brain was blown. And all night I
Speaker 3: just stood near his table like weirdly, trying to refill
Speaker 3: his water every thirty seconds and not doing any of
Speaker 3: my other bus boy duties. And it was just like
Speaker 3: a pivotal memory for me as a kid. And so
Speaker 3: then fast forward years later, I'm on this like ship
Speaker 3: in Malta where we made Captain Phillips, spending the night
Speaker 3: with him and we're just shooting the ship and he's like,
Speaker 3: where are you from. I'm from Cleveland. He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I know Cleveland. I was like, I know. We met,
Speaker 3: and I told him that whole story, and his only
Speaker 3: response to the entire story was, I never would have said.
Speaker 1: Cats, he's looking that's so cute. You're kind of witchy.
Speaker 1: You know, these moments coming back from your childhood you
Speaker 1: manifested at all.
Speaker 2: So what was the first thing that made because you're Juilliard,
Speaker 2: you're you know, an actor. What was Did you grow
Speaker 2: up in an artsy home? Was it mad about you?
Speaker 2: What was it that like made.
Speaker 1: You do it?
Speaker 3: No, not a particularly artsy home at all. But I
Speaker 3: had very supportive parents. My mom especially was just that
Speaker 3: type of mom. It would drive me to play practice,
Speaker 3: and you know, I was like a dorky kid. Surprise, surprise,
Speaker 3: an actor who was a dorky kid. I was like
Speaker 3: a chubby kid, and sports weren't my thing, and I
Speaker 3: didn't really have like a real friend group, and I
Speaker 3: just stumbled upon the eighth grade play. Really like, I
Speaker 3: had a great English teacher who would always make us
Speaker 3: get up and read from Dickens or whatever thing we
Speaker 3: were reading, and he said, like, you have a great
Speaker 3: speaking voice, you should audition for the school play. And
Speaker 3: in this eighth grade they were doing a production of
Speaker 3: the Hobbit, and I auditioned and was cast as Gandalf
Speaker 3: the Wizard and just fell in love with it. I
Speaker 3: mean just was immediately like I was struck by lightning.
Speaker 3: Like I was like, this is what I want to
Speaker 3: do in every element, Like there were other kids who
Speaker 3: seemed like me, who were obsessed with TV and movies
Speaker 3: and pop culture, and everybody was nice and not mean,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't getting beat up, and I felt like
Speaker 3: I was good at it and like had almost like
Speaker 3: this innate in stinked for doing it. Also my dad,
Speaker 3: you know, as a young man, I was like always
Speaker 3: wanting my dad's like attention and approval, and supposedly when
Speaker 3: I first came on stage, he was like very moved
Speaker 3: by me speaking on stage, and my first line was,
Speaker 3: ah the Shire, how delicious the morning is in this
Speaker 3: part of the world. The air is stuffed with comfort.
Speaker 3: And for years then my dad would always like come
Speaker 3: down to breakfast and go, ah the Shire, Ah the Shire.
Speaker 3: That's how you sounded, Mike, ah the shy or this
Speaker 3: booming voice. And so is this this like folklore in
Speaker 3: my family of ah the Shire and almost became like
Speaker 3: shorthand for just like a major moment was like an
Speaker 3: ah the shier moment. And years later I had a
Speaker 3: woman I was dating in New York come home for
Speaker 3: the holidays with me, and I was like, we gotta
Speaker 3: pop in the tape, we gotta I gotta show you
Speaker 3: where it all started, you know, Ah the Shire, And
Speaker 3: this grainy VHS tape out comes this kid in like
Speaker 3: a Halloween wizard outfit, this a purple robe with like
Speaker 3: a fake white beard, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Shire, how the morning stuff with comforts?
Speaker 3: Not a boomer thirteen year old, cracking pre pubescent.
Speaker 1: I love that? So heartwarming.
Speaker 3: Ah, thanks, we went deep. Who knew? Speaking of people,
Speaker 3: so one more like uh, one person that I was
Speaker 3: like just starstruck by and who did a jerky thing
Speaker 3: and I just can't reconcile it with my memory of
Speaker 3: him is Will Smith, who, of course last year did
Speaker 3: a jerky thing at the Oscars. But like I worked
Speaker 3: with him on Men in Black three and I didn't
Speaker 3: have a lot of credits to my name at the time,
Speaker 3: and he was just the best, Like he was so
Speaker 3: kind to me, and you know, like Marishka, I feel
Speaker 3: like maybe when people are like a producer on something
Speaker 3: as well, and they are sort of the franchisers is
Speaker 3: like an added responsibility. But he would always call me
Speaker 3: Big Mic and you'd be like, we got Big Mic today,
Speaker 3: we got Big Mic on set. Let's go this is
Speaker 3: a big day MiB three. And he was just such
Speaker 3: a He was so supportive of me, and he didn't
Speaker 3: have to be. I had two little scenes, but one
Speaker 3: of my scenes is on the top of the Chrysler
Speaker 3: building and we're both gonna He's gonna jump off of
Speaker 3: it to go back in time with whatever some men
Speaker 3: in Black three made up time travel logic. So we
Speaker 3: obviously we weren't on the top of the Chrysler building,
Speaker 3: but it was on a sound stage and they'd built
Speaker 3: maybe a thirty foot high replica of the top of
Speaker 3: the maybe even forty foot. It was this huge, huge
Speaker 3: thing in this giant warehouse at Steiner Studios, and it
Speaker 3: looked just like the top of the Chrysler building, which
Speaker 3: has these four like eagle heads or griffin heads coming
Speaker 3: off of it, and that's what we had to stand
Speaker 3: on and Agent j was going to jump off of
Speaker 3: So we're up very high and we're harnessed in so
Speaker 3: we don't if we fall, we don't die, and they
Speaker 3: have all these giant fans that are going to blow
Speaker 3: on us to represent like alien ships blowing air on
Speaker 3: us or whatever. And the whole crew is down below
Speaker 3: and Barry Sondenfeld's directing, and he has like literally a
Speaker 3: megaphone because we're so far away from him. And I've
Speaker 3: rehearsed this scene so many times beforehand with Will at home.
Speaker 3: But I've all this made up, you know, alien gobblede gooks,
Speaker 3: you know, made up nonsense that I have to say.
Speaker 3: And the first take they call action and I walk
Speaker 3: out to the edge of this eagle head and I
Speaker 3: can't remember a word of it. Like I not only
Speaker 3: can I not remember my lines, I don't know who
Speaker 3: I am, Like I couldn't tell you my address or
Speaker 3: and I go into like a fugue state. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: uh a line, and Barry Sonenfeld yells through the megaphone
Speaker 3: like God Jesus Christ and like go back, go back
Speaker 3: to one reset, and I'm totally freaking out. I'm like,
Speaker 3: my career is over. I'm gonna get fired. And I
Speaker 3: say to mister Will Smith, I'm like, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 3: and he goes, what are you apologizing for? We make
Speaker 3: movies and pieces. We're gonna be here all day. We're
Speaker 3: gonna do like a million takes of this. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: forget stuff. You're gonna forget stuff. We're gonna have lunch,
Speaker 3: we're gonna come back, we're gonna be tired after lunch.
Speaker 3: We're gonna forget more lines. We make movies and pieces.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's do it. And it was like the
Speaker 3: greatest gift ever. It was just like this moment where
Speaker 3: he just opened it up for me and it was like, oh, right, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: we make movies and pieces. This isn't a play like
Speaker 3: I didn't. And I say that now all the time
Speaker 3: to other actors. If I'm on a show and there's
Speaker 3: a guest star who forgets their lines and goes into
Speaker 3: a panic attack tailspin, I say, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: We make movies and pieces. Yeah, and so yeah, it
Speaker 3: was just that was such a shot. I mean, we
Speaker 3: don't need to talk about it because it's been dissected
Speaker 3: in the press for the past year. But I was
Speaker 3: shocked to see that level of violent aggression from him
Speaker 3: because he was just the kindest man in the world
Speaker 3: to me, and he didn't.
Speaker 1: Have to be Yeah, that's so nice. He was my
Speaker 1: first celebrity crush.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we always say too. You never know what
Speaker 1: people are going through. You never know what's going on
Speaker 1: in someone else's life, you know, So who knows what
Speaker 1: that day? That in evening? Who knows? We weren't inside
Speaker 1: of his head.
Speaker 2: And Kara's a new parenting thing. I learned two things
Speaker 2: can be true and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you say that to my kids all
Speaker 1: the time and say that all Yeah, besides besides severance,
Speaker 1: is there anything you want our listeners to check out,
Speaker 1: anything coming up that you have going on?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm in something very cool that comes out April
Speaker 3: twenty first on Amazon Video called Dead Ringers, which is
Speaker 3: based on the Cronenberg film from the eighties that starred
Speaker 3: Jeremy Irons very famously. At the time, it was a
Speaker 3: big deal because Jeremy Irons played twins, played both characters,
Speaker 3: and he was on camera with himself, which was groundbreaking
Speaker 3: I think at the time. Now, this is a six
Speaker 3: part limited series and Rachel Weiss, the very very talented,
Speaker 3: lovely Rachel Weiss, plays the to the twins, the twin
Speaker 3: characters the Mantle Twins, Elliot and Beverly Mantle. So it's
Speaker 3: a it's a wild sort of thriller, psychological thriller, sort
Speaker 3: of sci fi about these two brilliant scientists doctors who
Speaker 3: are opening a state of the art women's birthing center
Speaker 3: in New York. Yeah. So I play an embryologist on
Speaker 3: the show who is sort of the best and maybe
Speaker 3: only friend of one of the two Mantle twins, Elliott Mantle,
Speaker 3: who Rachel Vice plays. And it's really good. I think
Speaker 3: it's really weird and fun and sexy and creepy and
Speaker 3: thought provoking. So that's April twenty first on Amazon. Her list.
Speaker 2: The moment I saw her in The Mummy as a child,
Speaker 2: it really made an impact on our whole family.
Speaker 1: I would say, the traders love her so gorgeous that
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, check it, ass, thank.
Speaker 1: You, thank you so much for taking the time attack
Speaker 1: to us. Michael was fun.
Speaker 3: It was so fun.
Speaker 1: I love him. He's so funny. Okay, wait, so I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you guys. After the interview, he messaged us
Speaker 1: and was like, I forgot to tell this story. So
Speaker 1: I said I would read it at our outro, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I feel like such an idiot. I forgot
Speaker 1: a really good story during our interview after my Tommy O.
Speaker 1: Sullivan episode of SVU air of this one. He's like,
Speaker 1: my wife and I were in the West Village at
Speaker 1: a clothing store and this woman kept staring at me
Speaker 1: and it was kind of weird. She kept sort of
Speaker 1: following us around the store and she looked very concerned.
Speaker 1: Finally she comes up to me and says, are you okay? Hey,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? She had completely mixed me up
Speaker 1: with the character and thought that I, Michael Turnis had
Speaker 1: been raped by my parole officer. So I said, people
Speaker 1: tell Kelly Giddis she shouldn't be in a casino. So
Speaker 1: you're not the first person to get mixed up with
Speaker 1: your mistaken for your SBU character.
Speaker 2: But he's a badass. I hope his baby maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: And the baby was born.
Speaker 2: The baby was born, Yo, fantastic. I'm so happy for him.
Speaker 2: His joyous, great spirit and his fun name drops stories,
Speaker 2: you know, like I love learning all the cool stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great. So postmortem on this episode, I
Speaker 1: guess is like the depressing state of the parole like
Speaker 1: institution in our country that they just fucking own you
Speaker 1: and can make you do anything, and that sucks, and
Speaker 1: there's corruption everywhere. But I'm glad that this person got caught. Lisa.
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Great acting. I'm glad everyone learned that men can get raped.
Speaker 2: Susan Sharon is a god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Susan Sharon forever.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have nothing else. The parole system sucks,
Speaker 2: police suck. Joe Rogan fans are out of their minds.
Speaker 2: And great episode, and I enjoyed covering it. I mean
Speaker 2: it was it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the I like sort of. I really
Speaker 1: want a future episode with like Bella Caresi, Sarah Fina Caresi.
Speaker 1: I want to see Rollin's interacting with the Cores women.
Speaker 1: There's there's two more sisters that seem off their rockers
Speaker 1: that we've never met. We tried to cast them. Let's
Speaker 1: fucking see it. I want to see this happen. Maybe well,
Speaker 1: I mean apparently there's like a baby coming between them,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. But let's get into our what would
Speaker 1: Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: direct you to a blog post, a podcast episode, an organization,
Speaker 1: something to help you get more info about whatever we
Speaker 1: touched on in this week's episode, and this week I
Speaker 1: want to point you guys to the Anti Recidivism Coalition.
Speaker 1: Recidivism is like returning back to incarceration after you are
Speaker 1: released because a lot of people, we don't make it
Speaker 1: easy for people who have just gotten out of prison
Speaker 1: to reintegrate into society. And so the goal of this
Speaker 1: coalition is to quote empower formerly and currently incarcerated people
Speaker 1: to thrive by providing a support network, comprehensive re entry services,
Speaker 1: and opportunities to advocate for policy change. So they provide advocacy,
Speaker 1: mental health services, housing and creative groups that provide quote
Speaker 1: healing through creative expressions. So I love that, and I
Speaker 1: really feel like Orange is the New Black with tasty
Speaker 1: storyline and piper storyline of getting out and what it's
Speaker 1: like to get out and get back into the world
Speaker 1: is like made me realize that this is a big
Speaker 1: problem for people. So check out Anti Recidivism dot org
Speaker 1: for more info and you can donate and as usual,
Speaker 1: that will be saved in the highlight WWSPD on our
Speaker 1: Instagram page the day the episode comes out. Yes, thank
Speaker 1: you for that.
Speaker 2: I've really I'm thinking of Orange I liked the post
Speaker 2: people made about the writer's strike where it was like
Speaker 2: the Shield put FX on the map, mad Men put
Speaker 2: AMC on the map, House of Cards put Netflix on
Speaker 2: the map, not CEOs. CEOs left to creativity, you get quibbi. Yes,
Speaker 2: I saw that tweet. I love that, And that's how
Speaker 2: I feel. It's like a why don't they fucking see it?
Speaker 2: I don't know what they think is gonna happen. They
Speaker 2: think people are just gonna go back and watch old
Speaker 2: stuff or stuff that's just there, that they don't need
Speaker 2: new stuff, so they're willing to just not make new programming.
Speaker 2: The I listened to a whole episode of the podcast
Speaker 2: today with my friend Adam Conover, who's like one of
Speaker 2: the heads of the WGA negotiating people, and like it's
Speaker 2: like they're not coming to the table on crazy shit,
Speaker 2: Like they're like, hey, can we just agree that, like
Speaker 2: you can't use AI to replace us and the AMTMP
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like the Negotiating Studio Organization was like we
Speaker 2: can agree to have a meeting about it once a year,
Speaker 2: and it's like what, Like that's not what anyone's asking
Speaker 2: for as a yearly meeting to stop robots from taking
Speaker 2: our jobs, you know, so like it's they're really not
Speaker 2: coming to the table on all. And I heard that
Speaker 2: they are just focused on creating content for background so
Speaker 2: people could be on their phones, and they don't care
Speaker 2: about making good television. They just need something to be
Speaker 2: there while we're scrolling. It's wy yes, sorry, I feel
Speaker 2: like maybe I'm Yeah. Also, if you've made it to
Speaker 2: the bitter end, I watched Shrek three yesterday.
Speaker 1: Great, it was great. It's is that when he has
Speaker 1: the triplets? Yeah, yeah, it was cute. I've watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 2: And next week we will be doing asunder a word
Speaker 2: that Kara will tell us what it means next week,
Speaker 2: season two, episode seven. For another she say, another fantastic
Speaker 2: episode of our podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. They're all fantastic. Guys. Give us
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Speaker 2: Doing stand up in Denver after we podcast, so stick.
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