1 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. 2 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: Holds it. 3 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: Now, release slowly again, deep in, helle. 4 00:00:50,960 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: Hold release, repeating internally to yourself as you connect to 5 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 4: my voice. I am deeply well. I am deeply well. 6 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 4: I am deeply I'm Debbie Brown and this is the 7 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 4: Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place 8 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 4: to land on your journey. 9 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: A podcast for those that are curious. 10 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 5: Creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care. 11 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 5: This is where we heal, this is where we transcend. 12 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Today. 13 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 5: Welcome back, y'all. Of course, I'm DeBie Brown. Thank you 14 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 5: as all, so grateful to have you here. 15 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: Today. 16 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 5: We're going to be diving into a conversation about what 17 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 5: it really means to nurture our inner. 18 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: Worlds while showing up fully in our outer ones. 19 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 5: My God, that means in our relationships, it means in 20 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 5: our work, and it means in our overall sense of self, 21 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 5: that cloak that we wear every day and walk into 22 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 5: every single room with. So I am so excited to 23 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: bring a special guest onto the show today. Today we 24 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 5: are joined by Nina Westbrook as a licensed marriage and 25 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 5: family therapist, entrepreneur, and advocate Nina is deeply passionate about 26 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 5: erasing the stigma around mental health. She's been featured in 27 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: The New York Times, Goop, Oprah, Daily, b Et Essence, 28 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 5: Marie Claire, and Shape, and has shared her expertise on TED, 29 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 5: The Jennifer Hudson Show, and The tamer and Hall Show. 30 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: Beyond her clinical work, Nina creates opportunities for connection and reflection. 31 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: She's the creator of the. 32 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 5: Do Tel Conversation card game, designed to spark meaningful discussions 33 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 5: on relationships, intimacy, and self awareness. She also hosts the 34 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 5: Dotail Relationship podcast, which I can't wait to be on, 35 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 5: and the Vine Moments of Mindfulness podcast, where she offers 36 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 5: evidence based insights on cultivating happiness, personal growth, and deeper 37 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 5: human connections. She serves on the advisory board of the 38 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 5: Russell Westbrook Why Not Foundation, and most recently became a 39 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 5: member of the UCLA Resnik Neuropsychiatric Hospital Board. Nina is 40 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 5: also the co founder of Nebbi, a new emotional wellness 41 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 5: app that's designed to help people check in with how 42 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 5: they feel and take small science backsteps towards feeling better, 43 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 5: one mindful moment at a time. In addition to her 44 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 5: professional endeavors. Nina as a dedicated wife and a mother 45 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 5: of three, balance and her commitment to family with her 46 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 5: mission to support others in their wellness journeys. Nina, welcome 47 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: to Deeply Well. 48 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. 49 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 6: You made that long bio sounds so like relaxing. 50 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't know how you did that. 51 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 6: It just it was like so much chaos, and you 52 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 6: made it sound really smooth and relaxing. 53 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 5: So how does it feel to have your life kind 54 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 5: of spoken back to you? 55 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: Oh? 56 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: I don't love it. 57 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: I don't love it at all. 58 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 6: And every single time this happens to me, I contemplate 59 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 6: what I'm doing, Like, am I. 60 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: Should I be doing all of this? Or should I 61 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: like take some things off my plate. It's really interesting. 62 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 6: It's a really interesting experience. I'm not used to people 63 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 6: talking about me. 64 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, because I think in hearing that too, and 65 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 5: at least speaking to yours, the multi hyphenated, fast faceted 66 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 5: nature of your life, I think, yeah, yeah. 67 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 6: I tend to get really interested in something, and because 68 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 6: I want to always do well and I always want 69 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 6: to make sure I'm putting my best foot forward, I 70 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 6: tend to learn a lot and in the process, and 71 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 6: once I get really into it and I feel like 72 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 6: I'm doing pretty well at it, then I will like 73 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 6: fully it just I become it. 74 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. 75 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: I love that. I love women like that. 76 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 5: I love just like Yeah, being really present in your 77 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 5: brain and your body, I think is like such a 78 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 5: It makes life really fascinating no matter what's happening. 79 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: Yes, it does. 80 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 6: And I think it's a skill and it's learned over 81 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,119 Speaker 6: time and through lots of different experiences. 82 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: So in this season of your life, well beyond like 83 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 5: all the facets, the titles, the role therapist founder, and 84 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 5: we're going to get to the amazing app that you 85 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 5: just launched and what it really took to get that 86 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 5: in the world. 87 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Also, mother of three, three children under ten. 88 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: Who is. 89 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: Nina? And how would you describe where you are. 90 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 5: In your journey as a human being as a mother 91 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 5: right now? 92 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 6: I mean, that's a really great question. I don't feel 93 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 6: like anyone's asked me that in a long time. I 94 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 6: feel like I'm just I'm a new version of myself, 95 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 6: which tends to happen frequently as I kind of go 96 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 6: through these different journeys in my life and I feel 97 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 6: like I'm someone. 98 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: Who's just disarmed. 99 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 6: Honestly, I feel so disarmed, And for me, that's really 100 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 6: big because I've spent so much time sort of building 101 00:06:55,320 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 6: and working and being alert to figure out how to 102 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 6: navigate so many different things. We spoke a little bit 103 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 6: about this off camera, but this idea of living so 104 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 6: many different lives. 105 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: I feel like my life. 106 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 6: Has kind of been lived in overdrive and so constantly 107 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 6: having to adapt and be flexible and change and pivot 108 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 6: has made things quite chaotic for me for a. 109 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: Lot of time. 110 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 6: And now I kind of just feel like I'm so 111 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 6: disarmed and I'm just so open and really focus on 112 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 6: connection right now in my life. 113 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: What does connection look like for you? 114 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: And what are you Yeah, what does that mean for you? 115 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 5: And what are you craving in that? 116 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 6: I mean, I just for me, connection means just putting 117 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 6: at the forefront the things that are most important to me. 118 00:07:53,920 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 6: That means, you know, family, community, faith, and my work, myself, 119 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 6: my body, just being more in tuned with what's going 120 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 6: on around me, like kind of taking a step back 121 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 6: to kind of look at life from a bird's eye 122 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 6: view and then like plug in where I want to 123 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 6: and just be present. I feel like that is the 124 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 6: thing that's really driving me right now, and it's it's 125 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 6: really good because it feels it feels good to be 126 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 6: present and to just be here. 127 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's so it's so interesting as someone that 128 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 5: also kind of feels very relating to what you're describing. 129 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 5: It's so interesting, like when you really take off that 130 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 5: kind of hat of societal expectation or you know, what's 131 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 5: what's called everyone by social scientists is like your culturally 132 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 5: created self, the version of you that is completely utterly, 133 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 5: totally influenced by your environment, by your family system, and 134 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 5: whatever zeitgeist of the time. When you really realize that 135 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 5: that is not something that you have to plug into, 136 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 5: because that alone feels revolutionary and counterintuitive, right because it's 137 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 5: like what everyone else is doing and whateveryone expects of you. 138 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 5: But when you realize, like that is actually my choice 139 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 5: to participate with it or not, it's mind blowing. Like 140 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 5: the freedom you find, it's mind blowing. The space you 141 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: find in your body, in your life, in your mind. 142 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 6: It is and I think that it's the most beautiful 143 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 6: thing that we can all have. It's just this sense 144 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 6: of control over our own lives and the choices. 145 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: It's such a luxury. 146 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 6: And I think that we can be pulled in so 147 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 6: many different directions. There's so much going on constantly, and 148 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 6: you can kind of choose to remain very connected to 149 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 6: that part of yourself and your environment, or you can 150 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 6: choose to focus your energy and your life and your 151 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 6: time into the things that not only fulfill you, but 152 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 6: fulfill the community and reshape the community that you live within, 153 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 6: so that those those instances of change and those little 154 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 6: touch points that you create will come back to you 155 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 6: because you're building in the space that you're in. And 156 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 6: I think we don't do that enough. And you know, 157 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 6: there's been so much disconnectivity, and I feel like creating 158 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 6: spaces where we can really reach out to other people 159 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 6: and find ways to have small, simple impacts that are 160 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 6: positive and helpful and spreading kindness. And these are really little, 161 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 6: tiny things that we could be doing that make a 162 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 6: that go a really long way and our little ripples 163 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 6: of communities. And I think that's that's just what I'm 164 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 6: focused on. Even in my work, I've always tried to 165 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 6: find a way to take my work and create something 166 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 6: that is going to also have positive impact outside of 167 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 6: just you know, working for the sake of working, having 168 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 6: a career for the sake of having a good career. 169 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 6: I've always wanted to kind of live in my purpose 170 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 6: and make sure I'm giving back the thing that I 171 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 6: want to receive, which is just love and support from 172 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 6: the people around me. 173 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, just a refreshing. 174 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 5: And also like hearing you say that, because I think 175 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: I think it's important for kind of those of us 176 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 5: that have found presence to speak in such like a 177 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 5: nuanced way. 178 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: About it and. 179 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 5: The way you walk the road, because that's the part 180 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 5: that I think has such freedom, you know, that's the 181 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 5: part that a lot of people that are maybe in 182 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 5: a place where they're longing for that or trying to 183 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 5: access it don't understand. And what else matters? Right, Like 184 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 5: what else matters more than that? Like what I think 185 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 5: about that all the time, Like what it doesn't so 186 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 5: much does not matter, but the things that do, like integrity, dignity, kindness, 187 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 5: like doing what you can with what you have. But 188 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 5: much like what you just said, like plugging into what 189 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 5: would be considered the smaller moments but are actually the 190 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 5: biggest moments. Is like some of that one on one 191 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 5: connection helping where you can in your ecosystem and environment. 192 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 5: It's just sacred and so important. 193 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: It's something that I've learned is not then I don't 194 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 6: I don't know that it's the norm. 195 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: And I think people do tend to struggle. 196 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 6: With this idea at times because we get really wrapped 197 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 6: up in the day to day and even in our 198 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 6: own lives and our different challenges and obstacles that we're 199 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 6: dealing and. 200 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: Facing in that moment. 201 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 6: Like, I genuinely feel like I've been like as gracefully 202 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 6: as I can, you know, through some really dark times, 203 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 6: Like I'm not sitting here as someone who has not experienced. 204 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: Some really hard times. 205 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 6: And so what I've been able to learn and take 206 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 6: from those experiences is a way to move forward and 207 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 6: how I want to be and focus my energy and 208 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 6: how I want to live my life. And also it 209 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 6: helps put things in perspective for you and all the 210 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 6: things that you can't control, Like what are the things 211 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 6: that I do have control over and what is the 212 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 6: most important thing to me? And I feel like sticking 213 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 6: to that has been very rewarding because it's brought me 214 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 6: a lot of peace and a lot of calm and 215 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 6: a lot of confidence in myself and the decisions that 216 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 6: I'm making in my relationships and in the relationships that 217 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 6: I choose not to pursue. And I think that that 218 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 6: is where the piece the real peace comes from, is 219 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 6: just having confidence and clarity in trusting yourself to make 220 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 6: the best decisions for yourself moving forward and within your 221 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 6: little ecosystem. 222 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 5: Like you said, yeah, tell me about what led you 223 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 5: to this facet of your purpose. How did you find 224 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 5: yourself on the path to becoming a therapist? 225 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: You know, I really didn't. I really don't have a 226 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: very interesting journey. I mean sort of, I know. 227 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 6: Sort of, But essentially I was a sister, the only 228 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 6: girl of three brothers and raised by a single mom, 229 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 6: and so early on I took on a lot of 230 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 6: responsibility that was. 231 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: Not asked of me. 232 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 6: But of course, just being in the position I was 233 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 6: in my family, I kind of became this person who 234 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 6: was managing things, trying to be helpful as a child, 235 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 6: managing emotions, managing relationships, managing the household, all of these things. 236 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 6: And I kind of just stepped into that role. And 237 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 6: then I became that friend who is able to have 238 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 6: just to be very objective and see things and maybe 239 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 6: that miss in the moment when we're in the moment, 240 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 6: and I kind of just developed into that person for everyone. 241 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 6: And I think I just have the ability to be 242 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 6: open and honest and kind. I think that the difference 243 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 6: between you know, being someone safe and being someone and 244 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 6: being mean or not being a safe person is just 245 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 6: the level of kindness in which you communicate, because I 246 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 6: can say just about anything to anyone and it doesn't 247 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 6: it's not always good, it's not always a pleasant thing 248 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 6: to hear, but I think it's more in the delivery 249 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 6: than it is in anything else. And so through that experience, 250 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 6: I just kind of fell into my work as a therapist. 251 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 6: I studied actually English, which kind of benefited me. I studied, 252 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 6: I went to UCLA, I got a degree, and in 253 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 6: my undergrad was in English. Actually I hate I did 254 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 6: not like it at all. But what I did learn 255 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 6: is all about the English language and how to speak 256 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 6: and how to talk, and how to evoke different emotions, 257 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 6: and how to sound safe, how to feel like and 258 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 6: really communicate the way that I felt like I wanted to, 259 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 6: and how to be vulnerable. So that experience did help me, 260 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 6: and I quickly learned that I didn't want to continue 261 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 6: to pursue that, and I needed to take on something else, 262 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 6: so I went on to get my master's in clinical psychology, 263 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 6: and that's when I fell in love with school. I 264 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 6: fell in love with my program, my professor, the work 265 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 6: that I was doing, everything that I was learning, and 266 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 6: I felt like my natural self like just connected with 267 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 6: this thing called, you know, psychology, when I didn't even 268 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 6: know that that was a thing. And then it was 269 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 6: interesting because I grew up in a family where we 270 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 6: never talked about There was a lot of mental health 271 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 6: challenges that we face as a family, but we never 272 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 6: really talked about it, so I didn't quite have the 273 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 6: language around it at that time. And then I married 274 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 6: someone who also did not have any background or history 275 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 6: in mental health and wellness awareness anything, and so we 276 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 6: went through the process of learning together how to embrace 277 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 6: our mental health and wellness and what that meant. And 278 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 6: once we were able to do that, then we were 279 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 6: able to help extend the things that we knew to 280 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 6: our families and our networks and the people in our communities, 281 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 6: which helped in turn build our relationships and connections. And 282 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 6: I just think that it's been it's been such a 283 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 6: wonderful journey for me because it's really allowed me to 284 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 6: have some really solid relationships with not only my family, 285 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 6: but my chosen family and my friends and with my 286 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 6: children as well. So it's kind of been it's just 287 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 6: always been ingrained in me and it's just kind of 288 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 6: who I am at this point. 289 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely it's a sacred call. I think in 290 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 5: any of the work anyone does that is related to 291 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 5: like unlocking the inner self, you know, it really is 292 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 5: such a sacred walk that also like chisels and refines 293 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 5: every other category of your life it does. How does 294 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 5: that show up for you? How does your work show 295 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 5: up for you in your motherhood? 296 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 6: Ooh, well, you're a mother. It's challenging, being a most challenging. 297 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. It's really helped me to have more 298 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 6: patience because I am such a doer and a goer, 299 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 6: not a goer. I'm such a doer and like it's go, go, go, 300 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 6: go go, And I really didn't used to take the 301 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 6: time to process and cope and manage and deal with 302 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 6: emotions for myself. I think that I'm so solution focused 303 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 6: and solution oriented, and having my kids taught me that 304 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 6: no I have to slow down, and I have to 305 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 6: help model and teach these little humans how to be 306 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 6: emotionally well and how to connect and how what it 307 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 6: looks like. 308 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: When someone is. 309 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 6: In tune with what you're saying and respecting what your words, 310 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 6: and listening to you and valuing the things that you 311 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 6: have to say and not ignoring you, and respecting you 312 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 6: as like a little person, so that they can grow 313 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 6: up to have those same boundaries and expectations, so to speak, 314 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 6: as they get older for the people around them. 315 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: And I feel like it's just been. 316 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 6: A really huge lesson all of it. It's not the 317 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 6: same when it's your own kids, you know, when you're 318 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 6: trying to implement all the things and make sure you're 319 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 6: saying and doing all the right things. And what I've 320 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 6: learned is that the best thing that I've been able 321 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 6: to do with my kids is just be a human 322 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 6: and to make mistakes, and to teach them and model 323 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 6: what an apology looks like, and to teach them and 324 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 6: model like what accountability looks like and what respect looks like. 325 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 6: And I feel like that has been the biggest blessing 326 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 6: for me with my children. And they sometimes when I'm 327 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 6: unsure if I'm making the right decisions or doing the 328 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 6: right things. Like there's always this little aha moment that 329 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 6: I get from one of my kids, most recently my daughter. 330 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 6: She referred to me as the calm Queen, and they 331 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 6: I know, I don't see myself as that because on 332 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 6: the inside, I think when I'm with my children, there's 333 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 6: so many emotions happening. 334 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: But what I'm showing them and trying to teach them. 335 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 6: Is patience and to communicate with respect. 336 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: And it just that's such. 337 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 6: A big reward for me to hear them say things 338 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 6: like that. So I think, you know, it shows in 339 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 6: many different ways in every way. 340 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: I love that. 341 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 5: That is really beautiful, really beautiful, And you gave us 342 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 5: a lot with that answer. Yeah, that's very special present 343 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 5: intentional parenting. 344 00:22:59,280 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: It's funny. 345 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 5: My fun is like he called, he's always clowning me, 346 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 5: Like just the way this kid can like just like 347 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 5: play the dozens with me, it's insane. But so one 348 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 5: day he was telling me like he was like trying 349 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: to make fun of me. He's like, oh, excuse me, 350 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 5: missus meditation, And I was like, oh, oh my, my, 351 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 5: my goodness. 352 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: But I was dying laughing. I was like, kid, that's hilarious, 353 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: Like that. 354 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: Is so funny, but it's also so cute, like he knows, 355 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: he knows who you are and what you do, like. 356 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 7: You see me, thank you yes, literally, And it's so 357 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 7: funny because it's like, you know, they're at the ages 358 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 7: these ages, you know, six, seven, eight, they're just starting 359 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 7: to understand that, like you're not just their mom, right, 360 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 7: Like even if they've seen you and understand you go 361 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 7: to work or you do things, it's like they're just 362 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 7: now understanding like what that means maybe to other people. 363 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 5: So my son is fascinated. He asked to be a 364 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 5: guest on my podcast. Like sometimes he'll give me like 365 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 5: the sweetest little pep talk, Like he'll just if he's 366 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 5: in a good mood, he'll walk up to me and 367 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 5: he'll just go hey, I'm like, what's up, baby, And 368 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 5: he'll be like everybody's talking about it at school and 369 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 5: I was like, what what are they saying? 370 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: He was like, everybody is saying. 371 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 5: You're the best author in the world, and I was 372 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 5: like really. He goes, yeah, they love your book, and 373 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh, the kids love it, Like, 374 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 5: thank you so much. You know what I'm like, what 375 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 5: a sweetart, Like they're just learning to read, but like 376 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 5: just what a sweetheart, you know, just what they pick 377 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 5: up on. 378 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: It's so interesting, you know. But especially when they have 379 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: the space to like know you as a human, know 380 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: that you know, it's just a safe place to explore. 381 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 5: Even that their humor, their conversation, their outlook. 382 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I mean, they teach us so much, like constantly, 383 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 6: and I think that I think that anytime we are 384 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 6: able to impart like wisdom on these children who help 385 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 6: us to be these much better humans ourselves. 386 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: It's always fun. 387 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 6: And my kids are off the chain, like they the 388 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 6: way they mock me and try to clown me and 389 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 6: all the things, it's really cute. There's there's still at 390 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 6: an age where they're really sweet and their jokes are silly, 391 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 6: like they like he like that's a diss to him. 392 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: It's they're so pure. 393 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 6: And it's a yes, it's a testament to your motherhood also, 394 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 6: and the thing the things that you're teaching him and 395 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 6: the way that you're raising. 396 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: Him, that's really nice. It's a testament to your lovely parenting. 397 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. 398 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 5: And it's just you know, identifying with what you were 399 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 5: sharing as well. It's like it to me, that's one 400 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 5: of the greatest actually benefits of doing my work on myself, right, 401 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 5: the things that like I needed to heal from and 402 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 5: process because you have this space, you have more space, 403 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 5: Like we have so much space for playfulness like that, 404 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 5: Like there is when that happens because I can regulate 405 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: and you know, all the things that I've. 406 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: Done with my body and my wiring. 407 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 5: It's like I savor the moments, like there is such 408 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 5: a deep savoring of even you know, watching him exert 409 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 5: his will and learn how to you know, have desires 410 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 5: that you want to see happen, and. 411 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: How to be upset and you know all the things. 412 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 5: Like you can actually just really enjoy watching someone else's 413 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 5: human experience unfold, yes, and their process. 414 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, for us, it is very interesting because we're really 415 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 6: interested in how the mind works and all of their 416 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 6: different behaviors and what moves us. And I think watching 417 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 6: from getting it, being able to see it from the. 418 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: Start to now and on is. 419 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 6: It's really a beautiful thing because that's insight that we 420 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 6: would never have without them. 421 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's special. 422 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 2: Deeply. 423 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: Well, I want to talk about the app So you 424 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 5: have a new app you just launched, which is such 425 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 5: an undertaking, like building an app is so stressed. Well, 426 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 5: I haven't done one personally, but when we built the 427 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 5: Choper app for meditation. 428 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: It was like, oh my god, the pieces. 429 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 5: But your app is really bringing something completely different into 430 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 5: this space. 431 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: So your app is called Neby. 432 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 5: Neby is a therapist designed emotional wellness app that helps 433 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 5: people check in with how they feel and take small 434 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 5: science backsteps to feel better in real time. It's rooted 435 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 5: in cognitive behavioral therapy and mindfulness practices. Nebi offers a calm, 436 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 5: judgment free space for emotional self awareness and growth. Designed 437 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: for busy, high functioning individuals navigating life's emotional ebbs and flows. 438 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 5: Nebi bridges the gap between traditional therapy and everyday self care, 439 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 5: empowering users to make meaningful emotional shifts and just sixty 440 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 5: seconds a day. So this is huge because most people 441 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 5: stop at the mind and then you don't get to 442 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 5: live really the work you're doing on yourself in your life, 443 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 5: but bringing it into the body. Having this kind of 444 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 5: multi pronged approach, Just talk to me about how you 445 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 5: knew this was something you needed to make and what 446 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 5: that process has been like. 447 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 6: Wow, Well, Nebby is basically the byproduct of all the 448 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 6: things that I had been going through in my own 449 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 6: life and people in my community, whether it be friends, 450 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 6: family members, and I remember just feeling burnt out. I 451 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 6: feel like I was doing so many different things. I 452 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 6: wasn't taking care of my body. I wasn't really just 453 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 6: feeling well. I wasn't happy. I couldn't quite catch up. 454 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 6: I feel like I was kind of on this hamster wheel, 455 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 6: not really thinking too much about how I was feeling 456 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 6: because I was more trying to survive. And the more 457 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 6: I talk to other people about it, I realized they 458 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 6: were having a very similar experience. And what I realized 459 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 6: and what I learned, is that I wanted to you 460 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 6: create something new that would benefit all sorts of people. 461 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: I don't want. 462 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 6: I don't really think mental wellness is just for one 463 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 6: group of people. I think that there's no real niche 464 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 6: when it comes to the type of impact that I 465 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 6: would like to have and to see in our mental 466 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 6: wellness resources and tools. And I felt like there are 467 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 6: so many of us who are really high functioning. We're 468 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 6: dealing with life stressors and just trying to manage in 469 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 6: difficult times, but we are not finding the right, appropriate 470 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 6: or appropriate tools in order to do so. And I 471 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 6: feel like that's where Nebe kind of was born. 472 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: We are all busy. 473 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 6: We need something simple, we need something evidence based and trustworthy, 474 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 6: and we need something that's going to meet us. 475 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Where we're at. 476 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 6: There's a lot of really amazing apps out there that 477 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 6: I'm sure people are aware of where you can go 478 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 6: and seek out the type of inform that you're looking for, 479 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 6: huge content libraries and everything like that. But what I 480 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 6: realize is that, no, we're actually having a hard time 481 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 6: taking the time to just check in with ourselves first, 482 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 6: Like that's the first step before we can do anything, 483 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 6: is like we have to understand how we're feeling, and 484 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 6: so many of us weren't even taking the time to 485 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 6: do that right And so we're just living and functioning 486 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 6: and completing task and doing the things that we need 487 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 6: to do, but we're not happy. We don't have clarity 488 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 6: and we don't really know what's going on. And so 489 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 6: that's the first That was the nature of the app 490 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 6: is just that simple check in the amount of clarity 491 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 6: that you get from just touching base with yourself and 492 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 6: seeing how you feel and understanding like, well, there's a 493 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 6: change or there's something that I could do. 494 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: And that's what we're going to do. 495 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 6: We're going to give you a task, give you a 496 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 6: few tasks to complete that'll help instantly improve your mood 497 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 6: that day, and it takes like less. 498 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: Than five minutes. So I think I think that. 499 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 6: The goal was to create truly accessible therapy adjacent support 500 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 6: that people could trust, and it's just been a really 501 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 6: really fun journey. I'm not a tech I am now 502 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 6: a tech person, but I think the beauty of the 503 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 6: app is that we come and we lead with the 504 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 6: clinical functioning functionality of the app, which means that we 505 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 6: don't want to do any harm. My background as a 506 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 6: therapist is like that's what's been instilled in me over 507 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 6: and over and over again. And by using therapy based 508 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 6: tech tactics based in CBT, we've been able to really 509 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 6: create this impactful experience that people are truly going to 510 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 6: feel better when they're engaging with the app, and it's 511 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 6: just really cool. I feel like I'm really happy to 512 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 6: be a part of our team. It's a really great team. 513 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: Wow. 514 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 5: Now that it's like in the world and in the field, 515 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 5: like what do you see what are you getting from people? 516 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 6: I'm seeing really amazing things. I think that people are 517 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 6: really excited to have something that feels more lifestyle. It 518 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 6: feels more every day. It doesn't take sixty minutes when 519 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 6: you might be in between sessions or you're not yet 520 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 6: in thinking about therapy. It's just something that you can do. 521 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 6: It doesn't feel clinically sterile. Feels more like a friend 522 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 6: or a companion or part of your community. And the 523 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 6: biggest thing that people are really loving about the app 524 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 6: is that it's not something that's going to tie you 525 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 6: to your phone. 526 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: We're going to give you task and. 527 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 6: Make suggestions that get you back out into your community, 528 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 6: that help you connect with your loved ones. 529 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: No matter where you are in your. 530 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 6: Life, whether you're single, coupled, partner, with children, without caretaking, 531 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 6: whatever it is, you're going to get personalized task to 532 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 6: help you get out of your phone and get back 533 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 6: into life and really focus on that connectivity because without 534 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 6: community and connectivity, we really can't be emotionally well. 535 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 5: Oof oof god, oh so true, my god. Yeah, I 536 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 5: really love like just the idea and I love that 537 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 5: like the wordage you're using is like task, right, because 538 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 5: like for me, that feels motivating yet not overly pressurized, right, 539 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 5: like it feels more I don't know, kind of like 540 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 5: it gives it a feeling of duty, but duty is 541 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 5: held different and like you have so much responsibility or 542 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 5: you know something else. 543 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tangible. 544 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 5: It's tangible, and we have to blend. I love that 545 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 5: you're saying that the way that people can work. 546 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: With it is to also get off their phone to. 547 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 5: Do what the task is, because we have to get 548 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 5: back into our lives, like we have to make life 549 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 5: more analog. 550 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 6: I think that you know, our approach is a little 551 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 6: different as most apps and most technology is being built 552 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 6: by so many scientists and so many people to. 553 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: Try to keep you glued to it. 554 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 6: And I think for us, the goal is just to 555 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 6: help other people find clarity and to find balance and 556 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 6: to actually give them simple tools that they could that 557 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 6: will help them to feel better. 558 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know. 559 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 6: It's such rewarding work and it just feels like a 560 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 6: moment for me that I can be really proud of. 561 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 6: And it allows me the space and the clarity and 562 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 6: the time to be disarmed and just be in that 563 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 6: connectivity with my own family. Also and with my children 564 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 6: and my husband and my friends. And so that is 565 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 6: the goal and the hope for Nebi. 566 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 5: What is your deepest hope and intention for the person 567 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 5: using nebbe. 568 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: Oh, my. 569 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 6: Deepest goal or hope for the person using Nebi is 570 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 6: just that they find clarity and that they learn themselves 571 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 6: a little better and they develop emotional self efficacy through 572 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 6: using the app. The amount of knowledge that you will 573 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 6: gain about yourself from interacting through the app is enough 574 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 6: to help change trajectory of how you treat yourself moving 575 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 6: forward and how you take care of yourself when you're 576 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 6: in need. 577 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 5: Beautiful, as we close out this show, at the end 578 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 5: of every episode, I extend to every guest an opportunity 579 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 5: to share some soul work with the audience. So that 580 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 5: can be a practice that can be a quote, journal, prompt, 581 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 5: thoughts starter, absolutely anything, But what is one practice that 582 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 5: you'd like to leave with everyone today? A little soul 583 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 5: work to also integrate what was heard in this entire episode. 584 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 6: I think for me, we talked a lot about just 585 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 6: the clarity and the fact that I in this journey 586 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 6: and at this time in my life where I'm just 587 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 6: happy and I'm just happy to be connecting and reaching down, 588 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 6: reaching over and sharing and spreading the kindness that I 589 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 6: want into the world. And I think that without having 590 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 6: the ability to set clear and intentional boundaries for myself, 591 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 6: I would not. 592 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: Be where I am today. 593 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 6: I would not be able to have so much peace 594 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 6: around giving and so much peace around sharing if I 595 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 6: wasn't protecting. 596 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: My own peace first. And so that is. 597 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 6: I think the biggest gift that we can all give 598 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 6: ourselves is just protecting our own peace and having and 599 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 6: creating those boundaries around us, not walls, not blockades, but 600 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 6: just boundaries that help us keep on track with our 601 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 6: goals and who we are meant to be. 602 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, all of that, more of that in 603 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 5: our lives. 604 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, noticing when are you. 605 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 5: Faltering on your boundary a little bit and then saying, 606 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 5: you know, is that is that. 607 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: The best choice for me? It's a way to. 608 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 5: Like reinforce you know, this need, this desire. Well, Nina, 609 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 5: thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks you well, 610 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 5: thank you for sharing your work with the world and 611 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 5: this amazing new app Nebby that everyone should definitely download. 612 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 5: And if you go to the bottom of this episode 613 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 5: and all the show notes, everyone everything is linkable, so 614 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 5: you'll be able to connect with Nina, You'll be able 615 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 5: to connect with nebby and social media, all the things, 616 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 5: so it'll be there. But thank you so much. 617 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 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