WEBVTT - Brooke Shields - part 1 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:15.600 Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.759 back to work in progress friends. Today we are joined 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.040 by a woman I adore so much, who I've also 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.280 been lucky enough to call a co star. She is 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.639 an exceptional coworker. She is the sort of woman who 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.320 mentors all of us through her example, and she also 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.800 happens to be someone I've looked up to literally my 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:41.120 entire life. Today we are joined by the icon Brookshields. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.040 Brook has spent her entire life in the public eye, 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.720 from being a child movie star to a model, to 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.320 a best selling author, entrepreneur, and now wearing her latest 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.160 hat as the executive producer of Acorn TV's breakout mystery 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:01.160 series You're Killing Me. She is someone who has continually 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:07.760 redefined herself and reclaimed herself. And I am just in 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.199 awe of the woman that she is. Whether she's talking 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:19.160 about motherhood, aging, mental health, work, deep reflection, or being 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.759 the absolute funniest person in the room, she is in 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.880 an era where she seems less interested in meeting other 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:33.120 people's expectations and perhaps more interested in living according to 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:39.520 her own values. I am fascinated by a life led 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.319 by someone who's been looked at her whole life, who's 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.119 finally deciding how she wants to be seen. So let's 0:01:46.120 --> 0:02:00.680 dive in today with our dear friend Brookshield. Well, I'm 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.480 just so excited for all the things for you. I'm 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.840 loving the new show. I have a million things I 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.240 want to ask you about, okay before we jump into 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:15.200 the present, which is so full and so gorgeous. I 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:20.320 am really curious, especially for you, because you have I mean, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.320 you've been famous your whole life. You know when you 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.280 did you were eleven when you booked Pretty Baby. You've 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:32.680 done this incredible act. I think of love for women 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.760 and of mothering so many of us and your community, 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.040 in addition to your beautiful daughters. By reflecting and sharing 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.720 in the books you've written and the conversations you've had 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.920 with us and for us out on these stages, I 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.880 think have made us all feel so seen. And I'm 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.800 really curious for you now, not just in terms of 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.320 your advocacy as a woman in the public eye, but 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:03.320 but for you, Brooke. If you got to walk out 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:08.440 in the backyard and encounter yourself at nine or ten 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.160 years old, what would it feel like to see yourself 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.520 now with all your wisdom and all your experience. Do 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.799 you think that little girl would see herself in you? 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.920 Would you see who you are now in her? 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.800 I think I would see who I am now in her. 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.880 I don't know if she would see herself in me, 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:36.160 because because I think if you know, being that young 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:42.240 and sort of like exposed and commented on and in 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:47.160 the public eye and fighting for your friendships and school 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.280 and being lucky actually that I lived in New York 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.880 and my mom was, you know, very adamant about my 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.760 going to real schools and not moving out to get 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.920 a high school equivalency test and be a kid actress. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:01.520 I think that helped. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.400 But I think I was so desiring of being liked 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.360 and I just didn't know that I was enough. And 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.920 I don't know if you're supposed to know that at 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.720 that age. I mean, I try to instill that in 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.440 my children from when they were younger, to sort of say, like, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.400 be you. You are more than you even know. But 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:25.800 I want you to know it, and I want you 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.320 to feel confident. And it's hard, but if you surround 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.320 yourself by good people. I had my mom, which was 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:37.919 really lucky, and I had friends that were none of 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.640 them were actresses, and I think that those types of 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:47.960 grounding forces helped me navigate not losing myself entirely. But 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.720 I don't think I would have had the confidence to say, like, oh, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.640 that you're going to be You're going to have longevity, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.160 and you're going to be this, and you're going to 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.320 be looked at like this. I think I would have 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.239 been I probably wouldn't have believed in that's so cool. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.800 You know. You talk about your mom being part of 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:13.280 that grounding for you, and now as a mom, when 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.080 you look back at your early career, do you think 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.839 you understand things differently about your relationship with her and 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:25.360 how those things have informed your own vibe as a mom. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.960 I think I've taken actually a lot, you know. I 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.920 in one of my There was a Little Girl. One 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.640 of the first lines in the book is, you know, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.640 we spend our lives either running away from or running 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.920 towards our mothers, you know, and like even the most 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.680 decorated of soldiers on their deathbed will yell for their mommy. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:47.320 Do you know what I mean? 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:53.680 There's such a profound, profound connection between children and their mothers. 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.880 But I think mothers and daughters as well. I don't. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:57.480 That's my perspective. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:02.880 But I think I took so much more from her 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:10.120 than less her sense of humor, her work, ethic, her joy, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.800 her appreciation of everything that was that is given to 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.880 you or afforded you, and friends. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.840 And I think that I that. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:28.080 She was actually for as broken, scarred, alcoholic, scared as 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:34.239 she was, she had such deep love and I really 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.599 purely felt loved. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.000 And I think that. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.440 That is and I didn't feel judged because I was 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:47.480 being judged by the world. She sort of said, you know, 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.680 you're on this like you are everything you know, and 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.640 there is something to be said for that for children 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.520 to think that their mother thinks they're the best in 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.279 the entire universe. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:06:59.160 You know. 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.680 And I think that that that's what I try to 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.640 And I have two girls, which is weird because they're 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:10.040 constantly saying, well, I'm her favorite, Well no i am, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.840 and you're like, who who do you love more? And 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.760 You're like, there's no such thing. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.920 Yeah, yeah, you're like, depending on how you act, one 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.800 of you will be my favorite on any given day. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.720 Yeah, you better behave it is so funny. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.240 And now a word from our sponsors who make this 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:42.920 show possible. You know, it's so interesting to think about 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.280 what you're able to hold, right, And I think that's 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.840 such a marker of healthy evolution in life when you can, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.640 when you can hold the good and the bad and 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:59.480 and give grace to all of it. And you know, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.240 you speak about your mother in that way, in a 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.960 way that I think is so honest and also so generous. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:13.200 And I wonder if the desire to do that do 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.520 you think it was added to I think it's a 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.600 natural thing, right, you want to process your life and 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.600 be okay with all of it and do the work 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.200 and be a healthy person. But I think about it 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.640 for you because for so long you had so many 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:33.120 other people's opinions, and all those opinions were ordered in 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.240 whatever way each of those people thought about them projected 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:40.600 onto you, like beauty and innocence and controversy and being 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.240 sexualized or not being sexualized, and glamor and fame and 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:51.160 like all these things that you had to meet when 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.720 you were also meeting people. And do you think that 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.120 knowing how you had to do the work to take 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.360 all that stuff apart and then and then be able 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.000 to hold it all, do you think that also made 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:08.120 you in a way like so much better at doing 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.040 the personal stuff too, because you were like, oh, no, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:12.720 I know how to do this. I know how to 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.600 analyze the landscape of something and figure out where I 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.000 fit in the middle of it. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:23.360 I think that's a very astute way of looking at it, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.560 because I think I was doing that before I knew 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:27.680 I was doing it right. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.240 So, you know, you you read a room, right, you. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.160 Just go, you know, it's like heat seeking missile and 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.120 you and you feel behind you and you're and you're 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.520 just like and you're you're taking the temperature all the time, right, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.959 So just to be able to and I'm I'm proud. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.640 Of being able to navigate that and do that. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.760 And I learned it at such a young age that 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.000 in my like when I went to school or in 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.319 my personal life, it made it. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:56.320 You know. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:01.440 I watched other kids, you know, my age sort of 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.520 fight through it all in flounder or get their feelings 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.839 hurt or you know, and I would think, like, oh, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.640 I don't waste the time anymore, you know what I mean. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.800 I don't and I don't feel obligated. It's like to 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.360 have to be part of that group or this, or 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:19.520 if somebody doesn't call. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:20.880 Me back, what did I do? What I do wrong? 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:21.760 What I do wrong? You know? 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.480 And I would watch that sort of angst in other 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:31.240 students and I would think, like, Oh, all of this past, 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:36.440 this history, this navigation, this adult world actually gave me 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:42.560 a certain presence and power in really being able to 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.040 enjoy this and meet people where they. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.520 Are, not where I want them to be, right. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.800 And that's very freeing because then you can, you know, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.760 you can genuinely like someone and if you don't or 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.520 they don't like you, it's okay. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.040 You know, it's not the end of the world. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.360 And I think that being surrounded and having to be 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:12.439 a professional and operating and watching adults act like children, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:18.200 you know, and bad behavior and you think, oh my god, 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.520 don't they see how they're coming across? 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:23.480 Why is that okay? 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.320 And I don't want to be that and it, you know, 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.360 and it allowed me to understand what I didn't want 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.079 and who I didn't want to be right, you know, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.240 what I didn't want, what I wanted to reveal, and 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.760 what I hoped to nurture in myself, because you can 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.079 go any direction if you think. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.440 About it, you know. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.040 And I I remember thinking, no, I don't I want 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.240 to be the best of myself, and I want to 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.920 be a good person, and I want good people in 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.400 my life that are there for mean, you know, I 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:58.720 in my sixtieth year, I all of my different groups 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.760 of friends, like my high schoo buddies, my college buddies, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:07.400 like my work buddies, individually but in their kind of groups. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.120 And they don't know each other. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.200 Instead of having like a big party with everybody, which 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:16.040 would have just made me so uncomfortable, we did specific 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:22.120 things and in each sort of clump you know, of gals, 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.640 we all mentioned like I just got a text this 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.800 morning from one of one of the girls and said, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.160 it's amazing how long we've been friends. And I always 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.520 feel the best me when I'm around you guys, and 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.319 it because there's such there's such deep connection in years 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.440 and we've been through so much together. But like there's 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:48.160 something so comforting about having long term friends. And I 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:53.040 think that at a very early age, partially because my 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.959 mother again wouldn't let me just give school up and 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:02.080 just work, I was able to have quote unquote normal friendships, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:07.320 you know, and they're still around today, and it's it's 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.600 such a great feeling to be able to say, wow, 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.800 I've got these quality friends and we've known each other 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:12.760 over forty years. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.120 Yeah, oh, I love that so much. I have a 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.120 group like that, my three closest friends from high school 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.640 and I and it is so special. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.200 Not everybody has it. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.320 It's like I talk to people and they're like, you're 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.040 still friends with them? 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.440 I know, And I feel so lucky, especially because not 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:33.280 everybody is. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:34.320 We had friends. 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.880 So many people's friendships fractured, but there is this little 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.520 group of us that started going to school together in 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:45.440 the seventh grade and we have just like been on 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.880 this ride together for so long, and it's so special 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:54.680 and interestingly enough, you know, we we have deeper friendships 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.880 we've all made in our adulthood. You know where you 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.360 find you find your people that are so much like 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.240 you and they care about all the same things you 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:07.319 care about and whatever, and still like it might one 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.800 of the one of the girlfriends of the four of us, 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.720 like we literally could not be more different people, and 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.480 we just cackle, like when we talk about and we 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:20.240 realize we are like I am Day and she is 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.560 Knight or vice versa. We just laugh because we're obsessed 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.280 with each other and it's so I don't know. There's 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.080 something so special about it, about all of it, and 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:33.000 I I don't know. It must be really surreal. You know, 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.360 you were talking about your kids friends all being over 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.600 the other day. It must be so crazy to watch 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.560 your daughters take that whole journey. You know, you have 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.960 these babies and they grow and you watch them go 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.240 through middle school and high school and college, and like, 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.880 is it so surreal? Because you've been a woman who's 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.840 chosen to be so self reflective and to do the 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.480 work and also share the work with people, to then 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.840 watch your kids do it, it's like, I feel like 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.720 you are the wisest woman because you've taken inventory of 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.560 your life in this direction, and then you've raised lives 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.360 in this direction. And like do you just go whoa 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.400 when you look at your kids wild? 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.440 Because they're not me, right, so that's already wild. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.240 You're like, oh, you're a person. 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.240 I didn't plan that, you know, And and they's they're 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.040 so different there there, and they are night and day. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.320 And but then you've watched like the first time I 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:42.200 visited my daughter in college, my older one, and she 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:48.160 had inside jokes with people I'd never met and nicknames 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.920 and they you know, kind of came up and run 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.760 up and tackled her, or you know, gave her a 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:55.760 hard time about something, and I was just. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.880 Like, what, how do you know my daughter? What? What 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:58.480 do you mean? 0:15:58.920 --> 0:15:59.000 What? 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.080 You're not a part of it. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:06.280 It's really hard to not want to make it about 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.960 you and separate and and just let it happen because 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.240 you don't know who you are anymore. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.720 Right, You're not really mom in the same way. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.880 And they're they have these relationships and they're growing up 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.840 and you you're not needed in the same way. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.360 Which, by the way, means you did your job right. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.560 But it must be so hard. You're like, oh, no, no, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.720 I did not bargain for this. I know. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.640 I wanted you to be your own person, independent, blah 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.960 blah blah, but not that right. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.800 I didn't want you to have friends, and. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.840 You're just kind of you know, and then you bring 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:46.640 in boyfriends and there's an intimacy there that you're really 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:51.240 excluded from, and you're just like, oh, oh god, if 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:52.560 I want to put you back. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.520 In, oh that is so fun. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.840 But then another interesting thing happens as they get to 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:06.320 become more women, as they're evolving into these more fully 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.399 flushed and continuing, continuing to evolve women. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.000 We had a big, big dinner for. 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:17.399 The television show as like a mystery murder mystery dinner, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.760 and it was this beautiful party seeded dinner and it 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.639 was amazing and it was like I felt so celebrated, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.520 but it was and you know, that's not usually comfortable 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.120 for me, but they were people that I had known 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.280 for so many years, and I hadn't seen so many 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.800 of them, and they all came out, I mean to 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.200 drive to you know, East Hampton and do this. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.800 You know, it's just I couldn't believe the effort people made. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:47.159 But my girls were sitting there and you know that 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.359 you play this game and I had never done it before. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:57.120 They were the most vibrant, hysterically funny women who were 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.520 laughing and you know, every time a clue it happened, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.280 one of them would go oh like that, and it 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.679 was like they weren't trying to pull attention or be theatrical. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:11.320 They were just present and joyful and they were just 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:16.320 so in the in their skin and they were funny. 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.840 And I watched, you know, there were like a lot 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.160 of famous people too. 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:21.920 Like that they would recognize. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:27.520 And I watched those people look at these girls and 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.360 there were three of them. One of I call their 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:35.840 daughter their best friend from from grade school and still 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.680 you know, graduated college and they're still best friends and 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.720 and you know, and it's it's so lovely to see. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.520 And I watched them being watched by. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:50.520 Other people with like they were laughing with them and 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:55.240 at them in the best way, and they were engaged 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.920 and engaging, and you know, you don't get to see 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.880 that that often. And then there was a really beautiful 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.800 toast made and it was you know, in the CEO 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.760 of AMC Global Media was there, and so it was 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.520 kind of very business for me. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.760 And you know, I said, this was my boss. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.440 And I said to my daughters and and I watched 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:24.840 my daughters hear things about me that you know, I 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.159 I can't say, you know what I mean, And so 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.560 and I could see them be proud and also like, okay, yeah, 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:37.199 mom's like that, she's she's she does a lot, like 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:38.160 she's okay, she's good. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.280 Like they looked up to me in a way. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.280 And then they just took off like they they ended 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.760 up winning the whole game. And it was like there 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.960 was there was like forty people at this at this thing. 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.760 And people were taking very seriously. 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.000 And and they won. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.800 And then one of the other the news. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.040 Well it was like but Rowan, we got it too, 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.360 and and Ron was like, okay, you know what, your 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:06.920 good luck. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.199 But it was like it was just really nice. So 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:11.760 it's it's very surreal. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.480 But when they want to be around you and they 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.240 say like, Mom, can we you. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.080 Know, will you come out with us? Or will you 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:20.840 will you do this with us? 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.080 And when they're not ashamed of their mommy, you know, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.280 it's it does come back around kind of and you 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.919 start to sort of, you know, have a cocktail with 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.760 your daughters and I love you. But it's it's lovely, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.520 you know, and it feels good and it feels wonderful 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:41.520 that they still enjoy being around me when they want to. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.520 Be Yeah, I love that. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:56.360 And now a word from our sponsors. I can't wait 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.560 to send this episode to my mom because I we've 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.680 been through our own version of I think that complicated 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:09.600 thing when you're you did raise smart independent women and 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:13.119 they go out in their independent world and it's hard. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.280 And there was a period where I was doing the 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.800 same and it was I know, it was tough for 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:25.840 my mom, and also it was necessary for my life. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.040 And we are in this place. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.399 Now where yes, she's my parent and I'm her daughter, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.280 but also we're more friends, like we're peers. 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:34.720 You know. 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:38.600 I'm an adult, she's an adult. And whenever I'm home 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.240 on the West Coast, we go to the flea market 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.000 together every weekend and my mom comes with me and 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.639 all my friends and my friends are like, Mom's coming, 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.359 you know, and it's this cool thing, and my mom 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.520 is back in the space where she was. Oh my god, 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.159 we have to but like, my mom's back in the 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.840 space that she was in when I was, you know, thirteen, fourteen, 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.760 fifteen sixteen. She was always the mom all my friends 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.040 wanted to hang out with. She was the one my 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.159 friends wanted to ask advice of which I just know 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.440 is exactly you. And now she's kind of like mom 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.280 gets invited again to the stuff and it's so fun 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.520 and it's so sweet, and I don't know, it makes 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.719 me really nostalgic for her to hear you talking about 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.360 the stage you're in the journey with your girls, and 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.520 it's a trip because it makes me realize how long 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.840 I've known you. I will never forget you said something 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:34.800 when your kids were little that really solidified like this 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.560 thing I talk about a lot now, which is everyone 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.640 wants to cartoonify motherhood and I think it does such 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.439 a disservice to moms and I will never forget. It's 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:46.280 like it's the most magical thing you've ever done, and 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.359 it's also the hardest. And anyone who says it's not 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:53.120 hard as a trader, And like you said a thing 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.520 forever ago, somebody said like when did it? You know, 0:22:57.560 --> 0:22:59.199 when did you really know you were a mom? And 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.680 you were talking about having one of the babies like 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.000 up in the air, and that one of them when 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.800 you had them up laughing, threw up in your mouth 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.960 and you had to be like, Okay, I can't drop 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.439 the baby. I have to hold this in my mouth. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.719 I have to get the baby, you know, settled, and 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.439 then go clean myself up. And it has stayed with 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:23.359 me for so. 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.840 Long, and there was like a traumatized no. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.720 I just was like, no one's ever said it out loud, 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.439 and I'll never forget it. It was like it was 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.159 like an ESNL skit that makes an impact, But I 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.720 read it and I will never forget, you know, I 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.760 don't know, what is it like a year two years ago, 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:46.399 like a stomach bug's going around pre k and I am, 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:51.720 you know, holding ashes our precious little boy who's like 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:56.919 my favorite little boy literally on the planet. And I 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.080