1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome 2 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: back to work in progress friends. Today we are joined 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: by a woman I adore so much, who I've also 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: been lucky enough to call a co star. She is 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: an exceptional coworker. She is the sort of woman who 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: mentors all of us through her example, and she also 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: happens to be someone I've looked up to literally my 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: entire life. Today we are joined by the icon Brookshields. 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Brook has spent her entire life in the public eye, 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: from being a child movie star to a model, to 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: a best selling author, entrepreneur, and now wearing her latest 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: hat as the executive producer of Acorn TV's breakout mystery 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: series You're Killing Me. She is someone who has continually 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: redefined herself and reclaimed herself. And I am just in 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: awe of the woman that she is. Whether she's talking 16 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: about motherhood, aging, mental health, work, deep reflection, or being 17 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: the absolute funniest person in the room, she is in 18 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: an era where she seems less interested in meeting other 19 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: people's expectations and perhaps more interested in living according to 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: her own values. I am fascinated by a life led 21 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: by someone who's been looked at her whole life, who's 22 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: finally deciding how she wants to be seen. So let's 23 00:01:46,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: dive in today with our dear friend Brookshield. Well, I'm 24 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: just so excited for all the things for you. I'm 25 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: loving the new show. I have a million things I 26 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: want to ask you about, okay before we jump into 27 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: the present, which is so full and so gorgeous. I 28 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: am really curious, especially for you, because you have I mean, 29 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: you've been famous your whole life. You know when you 30 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: did you were eleven when you booked Pretty Baby. You've 31 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: done this incredible act. I think of love for women 32 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: and of mothering so many of us and your community, 33 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: in addition to your beautiful daughters. By reflecting and sharing 34 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: in the books you've written and the conversations you've had 35 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: with us and for us out on these stages, I 36 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: think have made us all feel so seen. And I'm 37 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: really curious for you now, not just in terms of 38 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: your advocacy as a woman in the public eye, but 39 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: but for you, Brooke. If you got to walk out 40 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: in the backyard and encounter yourself at nine or ten 41 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: years old, what would it feel like to see yourself 42 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: now with all your wisdom and all your experience. Do 43 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: you think that little girl would see herself in you? 44 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: Would you see who you are now in her? 45 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: I think I would see who I am now in her. 46 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if she would see herself in me, 47 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: because because I think if you know, being that young 48 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: and sort of like exposed and commented on and in 49 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: the public eye and fighting for your friendships and school 50 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: and being lucky actually that I lived in New York 51 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: and my mom was, you know, very adamant about my 52 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: going to real schools and not moving out to get 53 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: a high school equivalency test and be a kid actress. 54 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: I think that helped. 55 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: But I think I was so desiring of being liked 56 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: and I just didn't know that I was enough. And 57 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're supposed to know that at 58 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: that age. I mean, I try to instill that in 59 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: my children from when they were younger, to sort of say, like, 60 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: be you. You are more than you even know. But 61 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: I want you to know it, and I want you 62 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: to feel confident. And it's hard, but if you surround 63 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: yourself by good people. I had my mom, which was 64 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: really lucky, and I had friends that were none of 65 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: them were actresses, and I think that those types of 66 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: grounding forces helped me navigate not losing myself entirely. But 67 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: I don't think I would have had the confidence to say, like, oh, 68 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: that you're going to be You're going to have longevity, 69 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: and you're going to be this, and you're going to 70 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: be looked at like this. I think I would have 71 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 2: been I probably wouldn't have believed in that's so cool. 72 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: You know. You talk about your mom being part of 73 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: that grounding for you, and now as a mom, when 74 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: you look back at your early career, do you think 75 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: you understand things differently about your relationship with her and 76 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: how those things have informed your own vibe as a mom. 77 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: I think I've taken actually a lot, you know. I 78 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: in one of my There was a Little Girl. One 79 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: of the first lines in the book is, you know, 80 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: we spend our lives either running away from or running 81 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: towards our mothers, you know, and like even the most 82 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: decorated of soldiers on their deathbed will yell for their mommy. 83 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? 84 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: There's such a profound, profound connection between children and their mothers. 85 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: But I think mothers and daughters as well. I don't. 86 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: That's my perspective. 87 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: But I think I took so much more from her 88 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: than less her sense of humor, her work, ethic, her joy, 89 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: her appreciation of everything that was that is given to 90 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: you or afforded you, and friends. 91 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 3: And I think that I that. 92 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: She was actually for as broken, scarred, alcoholic, scared as 93 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 2: she was, she had such deep love and I really 94 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: purely felt loved. 95 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: And I think that. 96 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: That is and I didn't feel judged because I was 97 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: being judged by the world. She sort of said, you know, 98 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: you're on this like you are everything you know, and 99 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: there is something to be said for that for children 100 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: to think that their mother thinks they're the best in 101 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: the entire universe. 102 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: You know. 103 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: And I think that that that's what I try to 104 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: And I have two girls, which is weird because they're 105 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: constantly saying, well, I'm her favorite, Well no i am, 106 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: and you're like, who who do you love more? And 107 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: You're like, there's no such thing. 108 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're like, depending on how you act, one 109 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: of you will be my favorite on any given day. 110 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you better behave it is so funny. 111 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors who make this 112 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: show possible. You know, it's so interesting to think about 113 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: what you're able to hold, right, And I think that's 114 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: such a marker of healthy evolution in life when you can, 115 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: when you can hold the good and the bad and 116 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: and give grace to all of it. And you know, 117 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: you speak about your mother in that way, in a 118 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: way that I think is so honest and also so generous. 119 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: And I wonder if the desire to do that do 120 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: you think it was added to I think it's a 121 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: natural thing, right, you want to process your life and 122 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: be okay with all of it and do the work 123 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: and be a healthy person. But I think about it 124 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: for you because for so long you had so many 125 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: other people's opinions, and all those opinions were ordered in 126 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: whatever way each of those people thought about them projected 127 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: onto you, like beauty and innocence and controversy and being 128 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: sexualized or not being sexualized, and glamor and fame and 129 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: like all these things that you had to meet when 130 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: you were also meeting people. And do you think that 131 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: knowing how you had to do the work to take 132 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: all that stuff apart and then and then be able 133 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: to hold it all, do you think that also made 134 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: you in a way like so much better at doing 135 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: the personal stuff too, because you were like, oh, no, 136 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: I know how to do this. I know how to 137 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: analyze the landscape of something and figure out where I 138 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: fit in the middle of it. 139 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: I think that's a very astute way of looking at it, 140 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: because I think I was doing that before I knew 141 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: I was doing it right. 142 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: So, you know, you you read a room, right, you. 143 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: Just go, you know, it's like heat seeking missile and 144 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: you and you feel behind you and you're and you're 145 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: just like and you're you're taking the temperature all the time, right, 146 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 2: So just to be able to and I'm I'm proud. 147 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: Of being able to navigate that and do that. 148 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: And I learned it at such a young age that 149 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: in my like when I went to school or in 150 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: my personal life, it made it. 151 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: You know. 152 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: I watched other kids, you know, my age sort of 153 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: fight through it all in flounder or get their feelings 154 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: hurt or you know, and I would think, like, oh, 155 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: I don't waste the time anymore, you know what I mean. 156 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: I don't and I don't feel obligated. It's like to 157 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: have to be part of that group or this, or 158 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: if somebody doesn't call. 159 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: Me back, what did I do? What I do wrong? 160 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: What I do wrong? You know? 161 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: And I would watch that sort of angst in other 162 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: students and I would think, like, Oh, all of this past, 163 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: this history, this navigation, this adult world actually gave me 164 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: a certain presence and power in really being able to 165 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: enjoy this and meet people where they. 166 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: Are, not where I want them to be, right. 167 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: And that's very freeing because then you can, you know, 168 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: you can genuinely like someone and if you don't or 169 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: they don't like you, it's okay. 170 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's not the end of the world. 171 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: And I think that being surrounded and having to be 172 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: a professional and operating and watching adults act like children, 173 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, and bad behavior and you think, oh my god, 174 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: don't they see how they're coming across? 175 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: Why is that okay? 176 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: And I don't want to be that and it, you know, 177 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: and it allowed me to understand what I didn't want 178 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: and who I didn't want to be right, you know, 179 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: what I didn't want, what I wanted to reveal, and 180 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: what I hoped to nurture in myself, because you can 181 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: go any direction if you think. 182 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: About it, you know. 183 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: And I I remember thinking, no, I don't I want 184 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: to be the best of myself, and I want to 185 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: be a good person, and I want good people in 186 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: my life that are there for mean, you know, I 187 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: in my sixtieth year, I all of my different groups 188 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: of friends, like my high schoo buddies, my college buddies, 189 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: like my work buddies, individually but in their kind of groups. 190 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: And they don't know each other. 191 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: Instead of having like a big party with everybody, which 192 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: would have just made me so uncomfortable, we did specific 193 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: things and in each sort of clump you know, of gals, 194 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: we all mentioned like I just got a text this 195 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: morning from one of one of the girls and said, 196 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: it's amazing how long we've been friends. And I always 197 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: feel the best me when I'm around you guys, and 198 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: it because there's such there's such deep connection in years 199 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: and we've been through so much together. But like there's 200 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: something so comforting about having long term friends. And I 201 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: think that at a very early age, partially because my 202 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: mother again wouldn't let me just give school up and 203 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: just work, I was able to have quote unquote normal friendships, 204 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: you know, and they're still around today, and it's it's 205 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: such a great feeling to be able to say, wow, 206 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: I've got these quality friends and we've known each other 207 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: over forty years. 208 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I love that so much. I have a 209 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: group like that, my three closest friends from high school 210 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: and I and it is so special. 211 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 3: Not everybody has it. 212 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: It's like I talk to people and they're like, you're 213 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: still friends with them? 214 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: I know, And I feel so lucky, especially because not 215 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: everybody is. 216 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: We had friends. 217 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: So many people's friendships fractured, but there is this little 218 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: group of us that started going to school together in 219 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: the seventh grade and we have just like been on 220 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: this ride together for so long, and it's so special 221 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: and interestingly enough, you know, we we have deeper friendships 222 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: we've all made in our adulthood. You know where you 223 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: find you find your people that are so much like 224 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: you and they care about all the same things you 225 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: care about and whatever, and still like it might one 226 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: of the one of the girlfriends of the four of us, 227 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: like we literally could not be more different people, and 228 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: we just cackle, like when we talk about and we 229 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: realize we are like I am Day and she is 230 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: Knight or vice versa. We just laugh because we're obsessed 231 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: with each other and it's so I don't know. There's 232 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: something so special about it, about all of it, and 233 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: I I don't know. It must be really surreal. You know, 234 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: you were talking about your kids friends all being over 235 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: the other day. It must be so crazy to watch 236 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: your daughters take that whole journey. You know, you have 237 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: these babies and they grow and you watch them go 238 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: through middle school and high school and college, and like, 239 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: is it so surreal? Because you've been a woman who's 240 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: chosen to be so self reflective and to do the 241 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: work and also share the work with people, to then 242 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: watch your kids do it, it's like, I feel like 243 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: you are the wisest woman because you've taken inventory of 244 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: your life in this direction, and then you've raised lives 245 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: in this direction. And like do you just go whoa 246 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: when you look at your kids wild? 247 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: Because they're not me, right, so that's already wild. 248 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: You're like, oh, you're a person. 249 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: I didn't plan that, you know, And and they's they're 250 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: so different there there, and they are night and day. 251 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: And but then you've watched like the first time I 252 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: visited my daughter in college, my older one, and she 253 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: had inside jokes with people I'd never met and nicknames 254 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: and they you know, kind of came up and run 255 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: up and tackled her, or you know, gave her a 256 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: hard time about something, and I was just. 257 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: Like, what, how do you know my daughter? What? What 258 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: do you mean? 259 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: What? 260 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: You're not a part of it. 261 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: It's really hard to not want to make it about 262 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: you and separate and and just let it happen because 263 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: you don't know who you are anymore. 264 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 3: Right, You're not really mom in the same way. 265 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: And they're they have these relationships and they're growing up 266 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: and you you're not needed in the same way. 267 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Which, by the way, means you did your job right. 268 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: But it must be so hard. You're like, oh, no, no, 269 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: I did not bargain for this. I know. 270 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: I wanted you to be your own person, independent, blah 271 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: blah blah, but not that right. 272 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: I didn't want you to have friends, and. 273 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: You're just kind of you know, and then you bring 274 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: in boyfriends and there's an intimacy there that you're really 275 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: excluded from, and you're just like, oh, oh god, if 276 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: I want to put you back. 277 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: In, oh that is so fun. 278 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: But then another interesting thing happens as they get to 279 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: become more women, as they're evolving into these more fully 280 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: flushed and continuing, continuing to evolve women. 281 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 3: We had a big, big dinner for. 282 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: The television show as like a mystery murder mystery dinner, 283 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: and it was this beautiful party seeded dinner and it 284 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: was amazing and it was like I felt so celebrated, 285 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: but it was and you know, that's not usually comfortable 286 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: for me, but they were people that I had known 287 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: for so many years, and I hadn't seen so many 288 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: of them, and they all came out, I mean to 289 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: drive to you know, East Hampton and do this. 290 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's just I couldn't believe the effort people made. 291 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: But my girls were sitting there and you know that 292 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: you play this game and I had never done it before. 293 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: They were the most vibrant, hysterically funny women who were 294 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: laughing and you know, every time a clue it happened, 295 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: one of them would go oh like that, and it 296 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 2: was like they weren't trying to pull attention or be theatrical. 297 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: They were just present and joyful and they were just 298 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: so in the in their skin and they were funny. 299 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: And I watched, you know, there were like a lot 300 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: of famous people too. 301 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 3: Like that they would recognize. 302 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: And I watched those people look at these girls and 303 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: there were three of them. One of I call their 304 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: daughter their best friend from from grade school and still 305 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: you know, graduated college and they're still best friends and 306 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: and you know, and it's it's so lovely to see. 307 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: And I watched them being watched by. 308 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: Other people with like they were laughing with them and 309 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: at them in the best way, and they were engaged 310 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: and engaging, and you know, you don't get to see 311 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: that that often. And then there was a really beautiful 312 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: toast made and it was you know, in the CEO 313 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: of AMC Global Media was there, and so it was 314 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: kind of very business for me. 315 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: And you know, I said, this was my boss. 316 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: And I said to my daughters and and I watched 317 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: my daughters hear things about me that you know, I 318 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: I can't say, you know what I mean, And so 319 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: and I could see them be proud and also like, okay, yeah, 320 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 2: mom's like that, she's she's she does a lot, like 321 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 2: she's okay, she's good. 322 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: Like they looked up to me in a way. 323 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: And then they just took off like they they ended 324 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: up winning the whole game. And it was like there 325 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: was there was like forty people at this at this thing. 326 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: And people were taking very seriously. 327 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: And and they won. 328 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: And then one of the other the news. 329 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: Well it was like but Rowan, we got it too, 330 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: and and Ron was like, okay, you know what, your 331 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: good luck. 332 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: But it was like it was just really nice. So 333 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: it's it's very surreal. 334 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: But when they want to be around you and they 335 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: say like, Mom, can we you. 336 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: Know, will you come out with us? Or will you 337 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: will you do this with us? 338 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: And when they're not ashamed of their mommy, you know, 339 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: it's it does come back around kind of and you 340 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: start to sort of, you know, have a cocktail with 341 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: your daughters and I love you. But it's it's lovely, 342 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: you know, and it feels good and it feels wonderful 343 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: that they still enjoy being around me when they want to. 344 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: Be Yeah, I love that. 345 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors. I can't wait 346 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: to send this episode to my mom because I we've 347 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: been through our own version of I think that complicated 348 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: thing when you're you did raise smart independent women and 349 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: they go out in their independent world and it's hard. 350 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: And there was a period where I was doing the 351 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: same and it was I know, it was tough for 352 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: my mom, and also it was necessary for my life. 353 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: And we are in this place. 354 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: Now where yes, she's my parent and I'm her daughter, 355 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: but also we're more friends, like we're peers. 356 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: You know. 357 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm an adult, she's an adult. And whenever I'm home 358 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: on the West Coast, we go to the flea market 359 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: together every weekend and my mom comes with me and 360 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: all my friends and my friends are like, Mom's coming, 361 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, and it's this cool thing, and my mom 362 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: is back in the space where she was. Oh my god, 363 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: we have to but like, my mom's back in the 364 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: space that she was in when I was, you know, thirteen, fourteen, 365 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen. She was always the mom all my friends 366 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: wanted to hang out with. She was the one my 367 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: friends wanted to ask advice of which I just know 368 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: is exactly you. And now she's kind of like mom 369 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: gets invited again to the stuff and it's so fun 370 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: and it's so sweet, and I don't know, it makes 371 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: me really nostalgic for her to hear you talking about 372 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: the stage you're in the journey with your girls, and 373 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: it's a trip because it makes me realize how long 374 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: I've known you. I will never forget you said something 375 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: when your kids were little that really solidified like this 376 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: thing I talk about a lot now, which is everyone 377 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: wants to cartoonify motherhood and I think it does such 378 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: a disservice to moms and I will never forget. It's 379 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: like it's the most magical thing you've ever done, and 380 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: it's also the hardest. And anyone who says it's not 381 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: hard as a trader, And like you said a thing 382 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: forever ago, somebody said like when did it? You know, 383 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: when did you really know you were a mom? And 384 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: you were talking about having one of the babies like 385 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: up in the air, and that one of them when 386 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: you had them up laughing, threw up in your mouth 387 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: and you had to be like, Okay, I can't drop 388 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: the baby. I have to hold this in my mouth. 389 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: I have to get the baby, you know, settled, and 390 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: then go clean myself up. And it has stayed with 391 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: me for so. 392 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: Long, and there was like a traumatized no. 393 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: I just was like, no one's ever said it out loud, 394 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget it. It was like it was 395 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: like an ESNL skit that makes an impact, But I 396 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: read it and I will never forget, you know, I 397 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: don't know, what is it like a year two years ago, 398 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: like a stomach bug's going around pre k and I am, 399 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, holding ashes our precious little boy who's like 400 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: my favorite little boy literally on the planet. And I 401 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: got thrown up on in such a way that was 402 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: like in my mouth, in my eyes, in my hair, 403 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: down my shirt just so, and I was like, okay, 404 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: here we go, like I have to. It's okay, don't 405 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: be scared, You're okay, Like and what do I do 406 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: and how do I how do I manage this moment? 407 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: And I thought about you, and I was like, it's official, 408 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: it's official, Like that's the thing. And you've shared like 409 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: the funny things and the real things, and you know 410 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: you talked about postpartum before anybody would, and like you, 411 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, you've just been so generous with us 412 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: for so long in ways that I think make women 413 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: feel seen, and so in all the years I've known you, 414 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: like over and over again, you you do. 415 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 3: That for me. Oh gosh, thank you. 416 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I've always always looked up to you, and 417 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 2: I've always really loved your brain and loved the way 418 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: you treat people, and and obviously your talent that just 419 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: goes without saying. But your intellect and your willingness to 420 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: just but really your willingness to sort of have convictions 421 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: and speak them and enter and debate and conversation. And 422 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: to me, like, that's just such a beautiful thing in 423 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,239 Speaker 2: to be a mom and have that, you know what 424 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 2: I mean, and be a friend, and be a wife 425 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: and be a partner and be you know, a colleague 426 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: and all of those things that what you represent is 427 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: such a beautiful image for women in particular to own 428 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 2: all of the complexities of being a woman, do you 429 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: know what I mean? The yes, the beauty, but the intellect, 430 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: but the sex appeal, but the strength and the vulnerability 431 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: and all of that is what makes a woman, do 432 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 433 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 3: And to be not afraid to reveal it. 434 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: And I mean, I feel like the second I met you, 435 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, I was like and then 436 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: you compounded it by having the white tattoo, when I 437 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: was like, oh god, never. 438 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: Gonna be a pool. 439 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: It's just like, you know that that type of model 440 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: as a female is really is and you share it too. 441 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: And I'm proud to say that you're my friend. 442 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: You know, I just love you, sweet soul. I am 443 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: enjoying this conversation so much. Join us for part two 444 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: so we can ask Brooke all the questions we have 445 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: about her breakout series, You're Killing Me on Acorn TV. 446 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: See you for part two.