1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Show. Ron Paul is for me, mister libertarian, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: and that's how people think of him. But I want 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: to be clear. Ron Paul is an American patriot. He 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: is a brave, fearless man. He started his professional career 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: as a doctor just outside of Houston. He's a fitness 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: buff and was long before that was in vogue. He 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: talked about things like what you put into your body 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: and how you treat your body. And he talked about values, family, children, parenting, 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: and he talked about things that our forefathers cared deeply about, 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: principles that sadly most Americans don't think about or talk about. 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: Things like the government should not be kicking down your door. 12 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: The government should not be telling you what to eat, 13 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: should not be forcing poison in an injection into your body. 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: We should not be fighting other people's wars and sending 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: your sons to die in them. He was so far 16 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: ahead of his curve, so early, limited government, free market economics, 17 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: non interventionist foreign policy, personal liberty, strict adherence to the 18 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: United States Constitution, individual rights. Ron Paul was the inspiration 19 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: for so much of what I and many of you 20 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: believe today. He was so far ahead of his time, 21 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: and then his son, raised up in his wisdom from 22 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: his example, now serves that function in the United States Senate, 23 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: and I think he's an important part of our nation's 24 00:01:53,760 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: government and cultural and political leadership. Ron Paul retired from 25 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Congress twenty thirteen, and he is still a prominent voice 26 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: in libertarian circles. He doesn't travel and speak, he's older, 27 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: his health is not what it once was. He runs 28 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. He's a 29 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: commentator on issues like government overreach, economic policy, and foreign affairs. 30 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: And in order to silence him, what people will do 31 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: is they'll take one thing that they don't like about 32 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: it and they'll say, look what I did over here. 33 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: He hates this group. We wouldn't do that to anybody. 34 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: It's not a fair assessment of anyone's work. Just listen 35 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: to what the man says, take from it what you may, 36 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: apply what you like, and throw out what you don't. 37 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: But Ron Paul doesn't get the do he deserves for 38 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: his passion for a prosperous, free America and his willingness 39 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: to fight for it even when it made him unpopular 40 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: in Congress. In the media and beyond. I talked to 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: him on air. I talked to him on air several times. 42 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: But I spoke to him on air in twenty thirteen, 43 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: and somebody asked me about Ron Paul this week, and 44 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: we got talking about the interview, and Jim mud went 45 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: and dug it out of the archives, and Ron Paul 46 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: is timeless to my mind. So this week's archive treasure, 47 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: which we're going to we found. We're going to dust 48 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: it off a little and present it to you all 49 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: washed up and ready in its proper presentation. Here is 50 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: my conversation with Congressman Ron Paul in twenty thirteen. It 51 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: is not pandering to our guests for me to remind 52 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: you my audience something I have said over the last year, 53 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: and that is that the most intellectually consistent and principled 54 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: man in public life over the last fifty years is 55 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: former Congressman Ron Paul. So it is a distinct honor 56 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: to have him as our guest. 57 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: Congressman Michael, it's nice to be on your show. 58 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: It's nice to be with you. I don't know if 59 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: Tracy told you, but I've been begging for a three 60 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: hour sit down. 61 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: He was telling me about that, and it was I 62 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: wasn't quite in the position where I could promise that, 63 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: so I thought, it's better that I get thirty. 64 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: Minutes on your show, Congressman, I'll take thirty seconds. I 65 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: just I really believe, you know. I went back and 66 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: was doing some prep on you today and I was 67 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: looking back at speeches you've given and comments you've made, 68 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: and I say to myself, Yeah, how ridiculous that you're 69 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: on the floor of the House of Representatives talking about 70 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: Ludwig von Mesis amongst a bunch of boobs who have 71 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: no clue what you're talking about. 72 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you wonder why I do it, But 73 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: you know, I thought about that. And you know, Mesas 74 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: is so important because he and other Austrians have explained 75 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: the business cycle, which seems to me to be a 76 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: pretty important issue on why we have booms and bus 77 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: and unemployment. And I thought, how many people in the 78 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: Congress have heard of his name? And you're right, there 79 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: are several. There are several that do, but I cannot. 80 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: I don't believe I have I can name five people 81 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: who actually understand the Austrian business cycle explanation, and that 82 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: to me is crucial if you don't understand that you 83 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: do all this nonsense that we get, you know, teekering 84 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: with the tax code and the spending and let the 85 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: Fed do whatever they want, then they wonder why things 86 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: don't get any better. So, yeah, I've thought about that 87 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: very thing. But you know, what I have done over 88 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: the years hasn't been with the idea that I was 89 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: going to give a powerful speech and convert my fellow colleagues. 90 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: If I had done that, I probably would have been 91 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: too frustrated to stay there. But I knew that there 92 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: might be somebody else listening, and maybe a couple did. 93 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: Congressman Ron Paul. I've said numerous times throughout the presidential 94 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: election and over the last few years that you don't 95 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: have to vote for Ron Paul. You don't even have 96 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: to like Ron Paul, but you cannot call him crazy. 97 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: And I find that what's been done to you. And 98 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: let's take Bill Crystal for instance, by people like Bill Crystal, 99 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: who I think I have a very cynical view of 100 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: them and their motives, is they have managed, with a 101 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: great number of the unwashed, to convince people. Oh, let's 102 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: not even discuss what Ron Paul's talking about, because he's crazy. 103 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: And when you can do that, you can prevent an 104 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: honest discussion of ideas. 105 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: Well. Well, if they can't refute your ideas, the saying 106 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: goes that they go after your characters, so they want 107 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: to attack character, and therefore they don't have to refute ideas. 108 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: So I would make the case that he ought to 109 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: talk about the issues. If he thinks my position on 110 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: monetary policy is foolish, he should try to refute them 111 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: and defend paper money and federal reserves and endless credit 112 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: and fifteen trillion dollars bailouts for foreign banks and four government. 113 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: He should be put on the defense. But you know, 114 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: when he gets on TV, he's never asked those kind 115 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: of questions. He gets to, you know, criticize others. 116 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: For forty years, doctor Ron Paul, you've been in public life, 117 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: fighting the good fight, politically, intellectually consistent. You ran for 118 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: president three times. What is the greatest accomplishment of your life, 119 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: your public life, outside of being a doctor, outside of 120 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: being a father, outside of being a husband, what's your 121 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: greatest accomplishment to date? 122 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: Well, I haven't thought a lot about that because I 123 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: think that's somebody else's job. But if I tried to 124 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: come up with something, it wouldn't be, you know, precise 125 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: and dramatic. But hopefully it's just getting people to think 126 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: about important issues and at least think about what I'm 127 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: saying and maybe agree or maybe challenge, but challenge me. 128 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: But I think it's getting people to pay attention to 129 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: the problems. I think there's been a little progress on 130 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: that because I've been there a long time, but it 131 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: was after the financial crisis hit that the credibility seemed 132 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: to improve a hit. So hopefully I have people to 133 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: think about why free markets and individual liberty are so 134 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: important to both peace and prosperity, because I think that 135 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: should be our goal in life, peace and prosperity, so 136 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: that we can seek fulfillment in life. 137 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Ron Paul, I have three minutes left in this segment. 138 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: I want to give you time to answer this question 139 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: as best you can in that amount of time. Reading 140 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: some things about you, one of the things you talk 141 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: about was Nixon taking us off the gold standards and 142 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: stepping away from Breton Woods. For people who don't understand 143 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: the gold standard and for you monetary policy, Why is 144 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: that important to the average person that we went off 145 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: the gold. 146 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: Standard, well, because it gave license to government to expand 147 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: and not to be responsible. And this is a deliberate, 148 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: a deliberate issue, because from nineteen thirteen on the movement 149 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: was a waste from restraint on government spending. But if 150 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: governments have a vehicle where they can print money to 151 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: pay the bills, they will, and they have done it endlessly. 152 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: So when Nixon took us off the finally took us 153 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: off the gold standard, even though we weren't on much 154 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: of a gold standard in seventy one, but finally he 155 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: closed the gold winded window. Foreigners weren't allowed to reclaim 156 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: gold for dollars. And on August fifteenth and nineteen seventy one, 157 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: I said to myself, you know, this is going to 158 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: lead to really serious problems according to Austrian free market economics. 159 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: And that is what's happened. I mean, the dollar's worth 160 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: about ninety about ten cents. It's lost ninety percent of 161 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: its value since nineteen seventy one. It's lost ninety eight 162 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: percent of its value since nineteen thirteen. So and look 163 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: at the spending and the deficits. If the FED couldn't 164 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: print money to buy treasury bills interest rates would go up, 165 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: and the Congress would have no other choice than to 166 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: cut back on spending. So it's a vehicle to enhance 167 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: the welfare state, and it enhances the warfare state too, 168 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of things we do under the 169 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: pretense of national defense, but it's really militarism and the 170 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: things that Eisenheer warned this against. None of that would 171 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: happen if the Fed couldn't print the money. The founders 172 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: knew this, and that is why they put in the 173 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: Constitution only silver and gold could be legal tender, because 174 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: they knew what would happen. They had just gone through 175 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: the runaway inflation of the continental dollar. To me, it's 176 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: a very very important issue. Hopefully a lot more will 177 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: study about it, and quite frankly, a lot of college 178 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: people and young people have started reading and studying about 179 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: the importance of the Federal Reserve. 180 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: You ran for president twenty four years ago as a Libertarian. 181 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: For the last two election cycles, you ran as a 182 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: Republican or you a Republican? 183 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I don't know what that really means. 184 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: I was elected as a Republican every time I ran 185 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: for Congress, and work within the Republican Party, and I 186 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: in many ways is what they pretend to be. I 187 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: think I could qualify. You know, they talk about limited 188 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: government and balanced budgets and personal freedoms and strong national 189 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: offense and honest money. So I think in that way, 190 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: I may be more republic than Republican than some of 191 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: the others who get in office just to think the 192 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: Republicans didn't do all that well when we had the 193 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: House and the Senate and the presidency, you know, spending continued, 194 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: differences exploded, so in that sense, so I don't think 195 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: the Republican Party really had a precise philosophy. I always tried. 196 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: It's a vehicle, and other vehicles aren't much available to 197 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: us these days because it's very hard for third parties 198 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: to get anywhere. It's hard to get on balance or 199 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: get into debates and these sorts of things. 200 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that coming up, Congressman, 201 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: I have a break here, if you can hold with 202 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: you for just a moment, Congressman Ron Paul, Doctor Ron 203 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: Paul did not endorse that Romney. I'll ask why not? 204 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: And are we better off? Because Rodney law the future 205 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: of Rand Paul The TSA Iran and lots more. Stay tuned. 206 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Congressman Ron Paul coming up. When Chuck Norris needs advice, 207 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: he tunes into the Michael Berry Show. Chuck Norris support, 208 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: that's Paul Revere because we're revering front. Nevermind Congressman Ron Paul, 209 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: you ran for president three times. People who support you 210 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: don't just support you. They are adamant. Sometimes they drive 211 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: me crazy because they are such intense supporters. Nobody else 212 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: in politics, not even Barack Obama, has the level of 213 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: support that you do. And I don't mean blacks who 214 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: support Obama who say, well he's black and I'm black eyed. 215 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: I mean they understand everything you stand for. They can 216 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: repeat your platform, they can talk about ideas. I don't 217 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: think there's been anybody in public life Reagan would come 218 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: the closest. It's not even in the same realm. It 219 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: may not be fifty one percent of the people, but 220 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: it is this following of people who really understand your ideas. 221 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: They don't think you're pretty, they don't share your raise, 222 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: they don't want to be your friend. They espouse your ideas. 223 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: Why can't we get that to fifty one percent? 224 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: Well, in some ways you don't have to worry too 225 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: much about that because you concentrate on a small number 226 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: of people who influence the fifty one percent. The fifty 227 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: one percent is important. They have to endorse the government, 228 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: and their endorsement will allow certain governments to exist. But 229 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 2: you have to have people in leadership to expouse something 230 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: worth believing in. So I've challenged the status quo. People 231 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: the fifty one percent or greater endorse the system because 232 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: we've been taught to for the last hundred years, whether 233 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: it's foreign policy or a monetary policy, or welfare system 234 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: or the inflationary system, it's been endorsed. It's been taught to. 235 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 2: Even those individuals over these last century had instincts that 236 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: oppose this. They were browbeating the assistant browbeats them. The 237 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: media beat browbeats and the schools, the movies, and the 238 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: government to the point where you're totally you're unpatriotic and 239 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: you're stupid, and therefore you don't stick to your guns. 240 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: But now that this is coming unglued, I think the 241 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: opportunity presents itself to allow something else to come about. 242 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: And I think the young people, especially are aware of 243 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: the seriousness. They're more prone to be believe in in 244 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: principle and to look for, you know, consistency. So I 245 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: think the opportunity is there. I think I happen to 246 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: be at the right place at the right time. But 247 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: I think there's a great need for this message. It's 248 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: not a Ron Paul message. It's really a message that's 249 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: been around for a long time. It's a continuation of 250 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: what the founders you actually you know, dealt with in 251 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: our early history. And and right now I'm excited because 252 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: the young people have you know, been attracted to these views. 253 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: And it's amazing to me what a following of young 254 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: folks you've had, and how passionate they are when these 255 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: are ideas that typically you arrive at later in life. 256 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: As Churchill alluded to, there are things I want to 257 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: get to you. I'm trying to say exactly you didn't 258 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: you did not endorse Mitt Romney. 259 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: Why I didn't have enough agreement with him on his views, 260 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to endorse the views. I happen 261 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: to have got along with him real well, and he 262 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: was probably one that I talked to and was friendly 263 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: with as much as any of them, you know, when 264 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: we did our debates. But I think he understood me 265 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: pretty well, and I understood him, and you know, when 266 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: we talked about family and children and all, we did 267 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: quite well. But you know, he didn't quite come to 268 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: come close to what I was trying to say, you know, 269 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: on the foreign policy. Didn't have a lot of interest 270 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: in monetary policy and that sort of thing. So I 271 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: just didn't want to endorse somebody that really wasn't going 272 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: to do I didn't think would do a whole lot 273 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: to move in the direction that I was trying to. 274 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Go in the long run. Is the Republic better off 275 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: that he lost? 276 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: Oh? I don't think better off I you know, you 277 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: could make the case for either way, and I sort 278 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: of come down on it doesn't make a whole lot 279 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: of difference. There's a different flavor. And I know, generally, 280 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: how how you feel and how I feel generally, and 281 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people you listen to you feel, you 282 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: know about our current president. But the current president hasn't 283 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: really changed foreign policy. He doesn't change monetary policy from 284 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: the from the Republic. He doesn't change the welfare system. 285 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: He might be more aggressive on we'll talk about cutting back, 286 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: but the system is ingrained with interventionism. Intervene in our 287 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: personal lives, intervene in the economy, intervene in the affairs 288 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: of other nations. And Republicans and Democrats, although they have 289 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: strong rhetoric and they seem to be fighting and all, 290 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: I think a lot of there are some people, you know, 291 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: I think there are some very powerful, wealthy people that 292 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: are global in nature that really didn't care that much. 293 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: I think their interests would be protected, you know, with 294 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: either president. So I don't think that we're better off 295 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: or worse off. I think we're only going to be 296 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: better off if we change the direction of our country 297 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: by changing our attitude. What the role of government ought 298 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: to be? And nobody seems to want to ask the 299 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: precise question, what should the role of government be? This 300 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: is what the founders ask, and they try to describe 301 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: what the role of government should be in the Constitution. 302 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: But today the role of government, for you know, ninety 303 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: percent of the people in government is always, you know, 304 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: run to nanty state, have a welfare system, print the 305 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: money when you need it. Deficits don't matter that much. 306 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: We have an obligation to be involved in other countries, 307 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: and that we if we don't like somebody, we send 308 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: them a drone missile over there and kill them, even 309 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: if we kill a bunch of kids. And both sides 310 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: have been doing that. So I just think that we 311 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: have to ask that precise question, what should the role 312 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: of government be? 313 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: Ron Paul is our guest. Am I hearing you say 314 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: in that last answer that there's not a dime fororth 315 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: of difference between the two parties. 316 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: I think on the surface they pretend to be different, 317 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: but long term policies don't change, you know. I think that, 318 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: you know, from my viewpoint of strict philosophy, I don't 319 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: think there's a whole lot of difference. But I don't 320 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: even think they pretend there'd be a lot of difference. 321 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: They want to, you know, sort of meld themselves into 322 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: the same thing. You know, Republicans don't want to be 323 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: seen as being cold hearted and not believe the welfare state. 324 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: You know, they have to, you know, endorse that. And 325 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: if Democrats say, well, we shouldn't be fighting so many wars, 326 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 2: then oh, we'll be weak on defense. So they have 327 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: to show how tough they are and they have to 328 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: go start another war. So I think ultimately there's not 329 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: not any significant difference on the. 330 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: Results is the Ron Paul is our guest, is the 331 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: threat by Iran to American security overstated grossly. 332 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's a third world nation, and they 333 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: don't have a significant army, they don't have intercontinental ballistic missiles, 334 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: and they've been harassed for a long time. They haven't 335 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: invaded a neighboring country in centuries, and and if we're 336 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: honest with ourselves, we can look and see what. Well, 337 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: you know, why why are they angry at us? Why 338 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: are they why are they annoyed with the US government? Well, 339 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: maybe it's because we through their elected leader out in 340 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties and ushered in the radicalism you know 341 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: of the Iotola by nineteen seventy nine, and then when 342 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: we encouraged and supported Iraq fighting the Iranians, when the 343 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: Iranians say, well, why are the Americans always wanting to 344 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: kill us? You know? And why are they're getting involved? 345 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: But they don't have an army. Maybe, I mean there's 346 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: six seven thousand miles from us. They haven't threatened us, 347 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: they don't have a nuclear weapon. Just think of the 348 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: time we have spent over the concern about a nuclear 349 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: weapon that doesn't exist, and yet we lived through and 350 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: I was in the military during this time. We lived 351 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: through the Cold War when the Soviets had thirty thousand 352 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: of them and some of them ninety miles off our shore. 353 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: I mean in comparison, I mean we just look and 354 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: looking for trouble, and now all we do is put 355 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: sanctions on these people, try to starve them and punish 356 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: the people. Then they get angrier at us, which ruins 357 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: the dissidence in Iran. I would like to get rid 358 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: of their ruthless leaders. But we do all these things 359 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: and they think, well, that means they'll get mad at 360 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: their leaders. Now they get mad at us and they 361 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: have to rally around their leaders. So I think our 362 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: foreign policy is so foolish, and Iran just as not 363 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: pose a threat to us. I think it's it's it's 364 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: there to stir the people up and always always have 365 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: an enemy out there. First it was Iraq. Remember how 366 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: they built up the Iraq War. They were about to 367 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: bomb us and invade us, and they had nothing, They 368 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: had zero, and we were their allies for thirty years. 369 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: It's just on again, off again, that you know, is disgusting. 370 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: Think of all those years we pumped these billions and 371 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: billions of dollars into Egypt. Now the radical throw. 372 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: Ten seconds left. I would be remiss if I didn't 373 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: say on behalf of our listeners, for folks who voted 374 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: for and those who wish they had. You are a 375 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: true American patriot. 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