WEBVTT - 201: White Hat's Off w/ Joshua Malina 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.279 Unpacking the Toolboxes, a production of Shondoland Audio in partnership 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:35.360 with Iheartradiote. Do you like how unattractive I am? Like, 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.600 I'm a real chameleon? Are you fucking kidding me? Shut 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:43.680 the fuck up? No? No, Like me without makeup is impressive, 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.000 and me with makeup is I'm a fucking dream woman. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.239 What do you want? Yo? How was the audition? It 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.960 was my first time ever using a teleprompter? Have you? 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.440 Oh really? Oh yeah, I've used teleprompters, but not for 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:01.520 scripted stuff, only for like host type thing. Well, when 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:06.080 i get like eight pages of monologues, now, I'm like, oh, guys, 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.840 especially if it's like da crap speaking of DA and 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:16.120 lawyerly speak, we have the fucking most mischievous guest today 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.840 coming on, and he's the best lawyer speak motherfucker actor 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.280 I've ever seen in my life. Oh yeah, can you 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.640 believe this motherfucker at how easy it can? I hate him? 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.479 I know, I know, and he and I'm drilling like 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.720 legal talk and making it feel like it just like 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.600 comes off the tongue. And also it takes me days 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.000 to prep that, and this ship came in like yesterday. Yeah, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.399 it takes me days because I need to be confident, 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.360 like confident, ye, but this motherfucker, I mean you've said 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.120 this before. Oh my god, He'll look at that shit 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:50.400 in the makeup trader and time and it's easy. And 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.920 he's not even shaken. He can't be shook. He's well 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.200 because he could give a shit too. He's like, Oh, 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.920 I don't care, I don't care. I just want the page. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.880 I mean, this is his middle name should be. I 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.280 just want to pay paycheck. Had you ever had auditions 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.880 where you have to like pick up sides or a script? 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.280 Oh the time? Are you kidding? All the time? Real? 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.080 When I first moved to LA I would have to 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.800 drive to my agency and there would be a basket 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.800 in the lobby if it was after hours, and they 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.520 would leave your script in a manilla envelope with your 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.280 name on it. Oh yeah, I remember that. At the 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.720 time of this recording, I would just also like to say, 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.760 this is the seventeenth year to the day anniversary when 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:39.079 I moved to last Oh, that's a long time. It's 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.640 a long time, Like I can't even believe it. But 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.440 I always remember getting off at Lax being like, what 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.200 did I just do? To blow up my life like 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.880 this renting a beater, piece of shit, fucked up car, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.440 and I got on the four oh five and the 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.880 ten scariest drive of my entire life, and I had 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:03.400 a Thomas guy to get around. Some big ass nerd 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.040 created the Thomas Guide. I was like, don't even come 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:10.120 at me with this thick book of fucking coordinates, Like 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.079 what are you talking about how I used to try 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.679 to get a round audition? Oh? Hell no, I'm a 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:20.079 geographic dumb dumb. I'm a bad driver, like very bad, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.280 which reminds me. Also, you and I, You and I 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.280 are cut, we have the same We shot the pilot 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.359 and it's raining, and you're in a you're so hot, 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.280 you're in a leather jacket and you're in a jeep 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.960 wrangler that has no top. Oh my god. Remember, and 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.800 you're like, can I follow you to get on the 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.760 one oh one? And I kept saying like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.000 I got it, I got it, I got it. And 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.320 I see you in my rearview mirror, like following me, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.560 and I don't know where I'm going, and I just 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.600 remember I keep pulling uee's and you're pulling UEI's and 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.720 it's s raining as shit. Yeah. I was like, it 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.040 would be worse if it was just me, girl. I 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.040 was impressed at all. I was like, do your thing, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.040 take your time. Now. There are a few controversial players 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:02.920 that we have had on the podcast that we're going 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.400 to have on the podcast. Controversial players. This one is 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.680 a controversial player because he is a polarizing motherfucker. This 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.280 is the number one fucking polarizing. Like you either are 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.360 on board with his antics or you are afraid, which 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.080 makes you mad at him. Yeah, I fucking teeter talk. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.400 I'm back and forth like I love him and I 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.240 laugh and I enjoy it, and then I'm like, I 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.080 cannot believe you freaking did that. And I'm so pissed 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.279 at him, Like I go back and forth. He's kind 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.000 of scared of you. I could feel that too, because 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.599 I'll go off on a motherfucker. Yeah. See, he never 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.160 fucked with you, no, yeah, yeah. And I feel like 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.520 it's because he was always a little bit like, oh, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.320 you don't do that to Guermo, like you don't there, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.320 he didn't do to you what he's done did to me, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.000 or because I'm such a fucking easy target. But here's 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.760 the thing. He's the most talented dude without trying, which 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.640 is so frustrating. Yeah, like Josh Mullen is the smartest 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.719 person in the room, Oh yeah, but also a quick 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.279 win and a quick intelligence, Like I people ask me 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.240 a question and I have to be like, give me 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.640 twenty minutes to go try to understand the question and 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.440 think of what I'm gonna say. Sometimes, guys, we would 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.840 do cold reads of our scripts, and I would be 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.120 fucking mortified that they would find out in a cold read, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.600 like how exactly dumb I am? But like I wouldn't 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.480 know how to pronounce a word, or there might be 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.359 like a turn of phrase or something that was like 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.200 a colloquialism. Same like quickly look at Quinn's lines to 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.840 make sure there wasn't something that would out how like 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.920 unintelligent I was. Because there were so many fucking smart 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.400 people in our cast, Like do you know that Bellamy 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.800 Young and Josh Willna went to Yale fucking Yale, dude, 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:46.560 like real kidding, And Shanda went to Dartmouth. Half the 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:51.360 writers or more were like journalists, perfect like unbelievable talent. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.200 Do you carry went to GWS? Right? That's right? Obviously 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.160 She's a political animal and just ridiculously smart. Where did 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:05.760 you go, Katie, Well, I went to Tish School. You 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.840 you don't got to be smart to get in there. Well, listen, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.880 it's not easy to get into No, you have to 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.000 have done well. But it has something to do with smarts. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.880 For me, I just was good at school, and if 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.479 I wasn't going to get a great grade, I knew 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.120 how to do extra time in the teacher's room to 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:20.960 make them like me and give me an like I 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:26.200 was working that shit from jump. But guys, we have 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:32.000 teased one of the most controversial and polarizing guests to 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.159 have ever been on the Skin and Rewatch podcast and 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.800 on Scanal. I love him. I think he's so amazing. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.360 And we are talking about episode two oh one called 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.279 White Hats Off, which aired on September twenty seventh of 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.760 twenty twelve, and it was written by Jenna Bands and 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.520 directed by our very own we love him so much, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.800 Tom Verica. Whoa, whoa, We love you, Tom Verica. It 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.680 was guest starring Wendy Davis Is Kimberly, Mitchell Reese Rios 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.480 as reporter number one, did Norah Walcott as Reporter Number two, 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.800 Erica Schaefer as TV newscaster, j Jackson as local newscaster, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.680 and then we have Jimmy Kimmel as himself, Jackson Hurst 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:12.640 as Congressman Jacob Shaw, Gillian Armanante as Moira, O'Donnell, Mara 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.680 Soden as Doctor Brown, and I wanted to add Shelley 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.960 Morrison as the judge who played Rosario in Will and Grace. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:25.680 I mean, come on, this is the synopsis. This was 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.880 our first episode back. I mean, after we shot the 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.960 first seven episodes of the first season, we didn't know 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.960 for sure if we were going to get a second season, right, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.560 We didn't know. Six months after Quinn's arrest, Olidia and 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.600 the OPA team are confident they'll win her case, as 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.680 David Rosen's evidence is mostly just Quinn's motive, her cheating 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.480 ex boyfriend, and the fact that she fled. The OPA 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.920 team helps a congressman navigate a sex tape scandal. As 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.360 Quinn's case begins to crumble around her, but Olivia refuses 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.760 to let Quinn be found guilty, probably because she and 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:58.440 Huck were the ones actually behind Quinn's new identity. I 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:03.640 remember literally spending all summer with people asking me if 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.640 I knew who Quinn Perkins was, And I was like no, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.960 because because if the cliffhanger at the end of season 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.480 one is Olivia telling Quinn, do you want to tell 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.760 them who you are? Or you want me to tell you? 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.640 Tell them? Right? Yeah? Do you want to tell them 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.600 who you really are? Or should I should? I? Yeah? 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.480 So people held on to that for how long before 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.440 we came back? Well, this aired September twenty seventh, in 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.600 twenty twelve, and I think our last Scandal episode was 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.360 like May. So it was like the summer that I 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.520 got married. Okay. I have this memory of two hundred 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.760 and fifteen people going like, who are who are you? 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.800 Who is Quinn? Yeah? Who is Quinn? And I'm like, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.440 I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I hope I 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.880 have a job. I hope I have a job. And 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.400 probably the writers didn't fully know exactly which direction they 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.640 we're gonna go either, I would think, right, I mean 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.000 think they knew it? Yeah, I don't think they knew 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:01.680 at all. Every episode with Hollis Doyle until this point 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:07.000 he has seen eating or mentioning Gettysburger. Gettysburger. How good 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.880 does a burger sound right now, Fox, I would rush 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.520 a burger right now. Like, uh, I was watching Anthony 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:19.920 Bourdain last night and he's eating a cheeseburger at just 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.000 like a you know, one of those like stands outside 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.440 he was in, like I don't know, he was like 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.240 in Jamaica or somewhere, but it was just a greasy 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.120 cheeseburger and it looks so fucking good. I mean, come on, 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.199 oh god, I love it. There are three fucking continuity 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.680 errors in this episode. Photos of Elaine show that she's blonde, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.160 but in Truth or Consequences, the actress playing Elane is 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.920 a brunette. A brunette. Oh this is the best. Yeah, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.439 Jesse Tyler is not Adam Shapiro at this time. It's 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.240 some other dude that they took photos of and they 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.599 whoopsie doodle. Yeah, they didn't know Adam was going to 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.959 play play the role. Yeah. No. After Olivia and David 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.600 leave the court, the next scene shows the Monument of 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.199 Iwajima with the Statehouse in Washington omnument in the background. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.559 But the Ewigima monument is not in DC. It's in Arlington. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.640 That's messed up. Yeah, that's advertise. That's that's that's that 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.640 continuity that didn't happen. Were there any winning scenes from 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:19.080 this episode? Yes, and you're in it. Oh, scene where 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.440 you end up firing Olivia and she comes to see 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.080 you in jail, right, and your other attorney that you 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.160 hire is there, and Olivia's like, give me a moment, please, 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:30.920 and You're like, fine, give us a moment, and you're 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.240 their face off, you know, you and Olivia going at it, 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.880 and you stand up and we see Quinn's fury, like, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.119 come out. You were so good. You were a fucking powerhouse. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.040 And that's oh god, I thought I was horrible. Oh 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.040 I was gonna ask you, have you ever flipped out 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.359 like that? I love you've done that right? Oh yeah yeah, 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.800 well that scene where you flip out on Olivia, Man, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.440 I fucking loved it. I was like, hell yeah to 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.680 say that. So that's I really think gar I really 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.880 think all of Josh's room scenes are fucking unbelievable. Oh 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:06.360 so good. That courtroom stuff is really really fun, fun 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.880 to watch. And and again we mentioned to do and 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.240 hard to fucking do. And can we say how much 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.120 I love how much we love a Gillian Armonante who 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.760 played your defense attorney. Oh, she's so great in this episode. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.559 And I looked her up to and she she had 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:24.440 been in two epic movies. One was Dog Fight with 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.000 a Lily Taylor. We have you've ever seen that film? 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.400 And no great movie? I see nothing, I watch nothing, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.119 I do nothing. And then she was in Girl Interrupted 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.880 with Winona Ryder. Yeah, Abby is into watching the sex 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:46.360 daye herself. I wrote there's the your ornamental not instrumental yes, 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.880 which is a big winning line from the FSA you 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:57.920 are ornamental, not You're ornamental not instrumental. Oh so good. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.640 Oh my god, fits Olivia. It's so slow and they 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.880 say hello and high. I love that this whole time. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.600 Huck and Olivia have the best poker face, like they're 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:14.559 the ones that Quinn and moved her to a whole 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.800 different state, right yes, and changed her identity and they 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.000 know this throughout the whole episode. And those two have 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.960 the best like poker face, like they're not letting anything 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.400 show and not until the end of the episode do 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.520 we know that all of Quinn Perkins is Huck and Olivia. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.160 And Huck is like she took everything we gave her, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.600 We're good to go, or something like that. Yo. It 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.800 made me also think, like what would I have done 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.280 in that situation. Would I have been like fuck, yeah, 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.600 I'm gonna do this, or what I would have you know, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.320 like flipped out and ran outside of the littletel crying 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.800 like Yeah, I don't think I would have done it. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.680 I don't think so either, Like I feel like that's 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.280 such a tell about Quinn and who she is. She 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.319 just was like, Okay, I'll just be a new person. Yeah. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.959 One of them many reasons we're bringing Josh Milena into 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.880 this episode is because he's about to embark on the 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.160 craziest season two like so insane. But also this is 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.800 the first episode where Josh, Melina and Bellamy Young our 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.280 series regular. That's right. I can't believe that they weren't 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:20.480 always regulars either, because they're both so good, so present, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.920 their storylines are so important to season one. They were 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.480 just guest stars. Garmo in a sliding doors. Josh or 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:34.240 Bellamy could have booked something or been offered something, oh 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.480 for sure, and we would have had a different first Yeah, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.040 and they would have been unavailable. Like when you're a 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.640 recurring guest star, there's nothing in the thing that says 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.160 that you're loyal to that one show. Yeah, yeah, we'll 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:57.080 be right back. Guys. Oh my god, wait, the most 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:03.640 the one the ownly whoa facial hair. I know why 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:09.480 I did, Handsome. We were saying that you might be 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:16.440 the most controversial Scandal gas. As far as controversial, I 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.280 think I am the closest to having gotten fired without 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.880 actually getting fired. True. I got called to uncomfortable meetings 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.080 a couple of times because of pranks I played. I 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.000 believe it. I'm not surprised. I also told Guillermo before 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.240 you came on, I was like, I think there's very 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.560 few people that that Josh was actually afraid of on Scandal, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.000 like fucking with them too much. And it was like Shonda, Betsy, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.800 and Guermo. I was like, they're the only three people 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:48.120 Josh fucked with but for some reason actually respected some 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:53.000 sort of line based in fear. I think that's true. Well, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.560 I'm only scared of Guarmo because I watched the show personally. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:01.280 He's a pussycat. Watching a few episodes of Scandal and 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.800 I was like, I gotta wade for that guy, and 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.600 you were like, this motherfucker's crazy. You know, he's fucking scary. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.440 He's fucking scary. Wait, Josh, so the West Wing podcast, 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.720 when did you start it and when did you end it? 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.080 March twenty sixteen, and then I believe the final wrap 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.000 up episode was on my birthday January seventeen, twenty twenty, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.800 so it was about four years. Just shy of four years. 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.840 Oh wow, we did a live show of the eighth Theater. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:32.160 Oh the Ace. That's huge. Oh nice, the theater's fucking massive. Yeah. 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.960 Fun fact about the season one of Scandal. I was 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.360 a guest star in all seven episodes of season one, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.720 and I remember Kerry One saying to me, so, I'm 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.000 in every episode of season one, and you're in every 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.480 episode of season one, but I'm a series regular and you, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.400 Josh our guest star. What does that mean? I said? 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:52.640 You know how, at the end of the week, you 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.720 get a lot of money. At the end of the week, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.800 I get very little money. And that's what the difference is, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.520 Isn't that always a bitch? I've been in the positions 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.680 and then you always feel bad and your agents are 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.760 always like you either got to walk away or you know, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.640 just accepted and keep doing the job. Oh, by the way, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.520 that happens now more than ever, usually I would just 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.320 stay and keep doing the job for no money, because 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:13.920 you don't want to lose a job. Yeah. No, I 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:15.680 wanted to work for Sean to Rhymes. I had done 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:21.200 episodes Practice and Gray's Anatomy. You did you did a Grayze? Yeah? 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.560 Oh yeah? Were you adorable? Wait? What did you play 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.840 on Grays? I was young, I'm Gray's I was Leslie 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:35.280 Grossman's husband and she needed a fecal transplant and I 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.160 had great lines like no poop, no poop for you. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.600 You came onto the right podcast, Josh, because we talk 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.480 about poop a lot. We talk about shitting like nobody's business. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.200 But wait, Josh, two things one. We wanted to have 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.680 you on this episode two oh one because congratulations, this 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.760 is when you became a series regular. So now you 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.720 can continue your story of why the first seven were 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.480 you a little bitch? And then the first episode of 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.560 season two, why did it change? And my other story 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.000 I want to say really quickly is that when we 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.040 shot the pilot, you walked onto the set and it 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.159 is the only time I think I've told you this, 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.440 and your head's about to get big. It's the only 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.840 time in seven seasons that I saw Shanda Rimes get starstruck. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.280 She loves you so much. Josh Wilena walked on and 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.159 she was like, yeah, oh my god, I'm freaking out. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.639 I'm freaking out. I was like, I'm kind of freaking 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.520 out too, but she was like, I'm totally freaking out. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.440 Like I love Josh Willna. She was a big West 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.280 Wing fan, right, yeah, and really quickly you played Seth 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.320 Hammer on Grey's Anatomy. There it is, that's right, Seth Hammer. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.919 It was Hammer time for a week. Why did you 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.240 become a regular? How did this happen? Well, here's what happened. 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.359 I had been offered episodes of Private Practice and Grey's 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.640 Anatomy because in fact, I think Seanna's a big West 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:46.159 Wing fan, and she couldn't have been nice to me 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.840 when I worked on that. My agents called Shonda Rhimes 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.960 has a pilot. I'm like, well, doesn't she just want 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.119 to give it to me? Like she keeps offering me 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.760 episode And the answer was no, she doesn't just want 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.200 to give it to you. She wants you to audition. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.000 And then I went in and I remember, very awkward, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.520 this is really weird. You know, there's like usually a 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.359 chair for the actor, but there was just an open 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.840 space and then there was a chair like next against 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.760 the wall, and I went and I just kind of 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.439 sat in it next to the wall. And then I 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:17.400 was like, well, this can't be right. And they were like, no, no, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.440 that's a weird instinct and why you stand up and 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.639 do the scenes? And I did them and I felt 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.760 like it went well, and Hynda Rhyme said, well, that's 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.120 all I need to see. Oh wow, which you could 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.720 take one or two ways. And I remember calling my 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.080 agents and going like, either I've ruined my relationship with 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.879 Rynda Rhymes or I think maybe they're gonna give it 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.479 to me, like because she said that's all I need 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.720 to see. Do you remember what the scenes were? I 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.520 remember one where like I talked about her spidy senses 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.240 or something. Oh yeah, yeah, so it scenes with Olibya. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.159 Maybe when she knocks on your door and you have 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.639 the dartmouth sweater on and you're so cute and you're 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.440 wearing like a darknesth sweat. Cute, you're very sweet. I 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.399 think that's exactly what it was. And then what they 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.280 said was this you got the pilot, And I was like, 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.800 I'm thrilled, and there's this amount of money and I 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.000 was like, wow, that's pretty good. They said, wait, wait, wait, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.320 but you can choose how many episodes do you want 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.240 to be in for the same amount of money what? 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.800 In other words, what it came out to was seven 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.040 times minimum, right, So they were like, if you want 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.639 to be in the entire season, you just have to 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.560 work for minimum in every episode, or you can think 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.280 a really nice big check for one or a pretty 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.359 good check for two. And I was like, oh, I 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.040 want to I don't care. Yeah, I want to be 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.879 in all of them. Did you feel like you wanted 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:24.119 to be in all them? Because then you were like, 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:30.280 that's going to make my character like you need needed. Yeah. Yeah, 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.000 it made it. It It seemed like the greatest chance of 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.320 becoming a regular. And in the end, we actually made 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.840 a contract where I signed up to do all seven 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.639 as a guest star, and there was already in the 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.760 contract that if they were to go to a second 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.960 season and if they wanted me, I would be a regular. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:50.800 And I was just desperately like waiting, Wait, was Dan 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.320 Bukatinsky auditioning for David Rosen as well? Yes, he was 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.600 no way. Unfortunately, didn't get it, but he did get 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.359 an Yeah he did, Yeah, he did. He also did 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.240 auditioned for Hawk too. Yeah. Well that shows one of 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.480 the nice things about Shanda, which is that she is 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.440 like Aaron Sorkin. She has people she loves to work with, 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.840 and she'll give you your shot and figure out where 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.280 she might be able to slot you in, Like she 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.640 loves Dan's work, and like, all right, this role, maybe 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.639 that's not Claire, this isn't Oh, I think we found 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.959 the one, and so we're lucky to be in her 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.280 in her sphere of players. When you came on board 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:26.360 and started to like, see why I say you're controversial 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.560 is because our cast is incredibly gushy and huggy and 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:35.000 kissy and lovey and texty, and Josh is like not 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.520 was the West Wing cast like really cool and like whatever? 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.199 And then you got into our cast and you were like, 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.760 this is insane. These people love each other way too much. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.720 But they have to stop hugging at every table read 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.200 nobody fucking cares stop. Yeah. I think the West Wing 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.880 was somewhere on the spectrum between my like let's never 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.240 talk to each other or touch each other and the 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:02.960 scandal ethos of life. Let's just have a big friendship. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.080 Origin somewhere between those two is west Wing. It was 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.680 probably right in the middle, got it. Speaking of texting, though, 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.680 I remember Josh did love texting on other people's phones, 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.760 That's true. And what he would text was I'm horny. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.160 I'd put it on Twitter. Oh my god. He never 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.000 did it to me, but you've done it to Katie 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.800 three times. Now, let's set the scene ten years ago. 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.919 I don't think I even had a lock on my phone, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.840 to be honest. I mean, I was just that naive 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.399 and trustworthy. I just remember chasing you and being like, 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:34.879 give me back my phone, and he'd get on my 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.639 Twitter account and he would just tweet from my Twitter 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.919 account I'm morny. And then I would just get like 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.600 days of like, why is it Adam taking care of that? 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:49.040 Just mortified. But that's just the beginning. Have you been 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.720