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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolboxes, a production of Shondoland Audio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Iheartradiote. Do you like how unattractive I am? Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm a real chameleon? Are you fucking kidding me? Shut

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Speaker 1: the fuck up? No? No, Like me without makeup is impressive,

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Speaker 1: and me with makeup is I'm a fucking dream woman.

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Speaker 1: What do you want? Yo? How was the audition? It

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Speaker 1: was my first time ever using a teleprompter? Have you?

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Speaker 1: Oh really? Oh yeah, I've used teleprompters, but not for

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Speaker 1: scripted stuff, only for like host type thing. Well, when

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Speaker 1: i get like eight pages of monologues, now, I'm like, oh, guys,

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Speaker 1: especially if it's like da crap speaking of DA and

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Speaker 1: lawyerly speak, we have the fucking most mischievous guest today

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Speaker 1: coming on, and he's the best lawyer speak motherfucker actor

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. Oh yeah, can you

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Speaker 1: believe this motherfucker at how easy it can? I hate him?

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, and he and I'm drilling like

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Speaker 1: legal talk and making it feel like it just like

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Speaker 1: comes off the tongue. And also it takes me days

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Speaker 1: to prep that, and this ship came in like yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it takes me days because I need to be confident,

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Speaker 1: like confident, ye, but this motherfucker, I mean you've said

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Speaker 1: this before. Oh my god, He'll look at that shit

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Speaker 1: in the makeup trader and time and it's easy. And

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Speaker 1: he's not even shaken. He can't be shook. He's well

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Speaker 1: because he could give a shit too. He's like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't care. I just want the page.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is his middle name should be. I

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Speaker 1: just want to pay paycheck. Had you ever had auditions

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Speaker 1: where you have to like pick up sides or a script?

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Speaker 1: Oh the time? Are you kidding? All the time? Real?

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Speaker 1: When I first moved to LA I would have to

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Speaker 1: drive to my agency and there would be a basket

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Speaker 1: in the lobby if it was after hours, and they

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Speaker 1: would leave your script in a manilla envelope with your

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Speaker 1: name on it. Oh yeah, I remember that. At the

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Speaker 1: time of this recording, I would just also like to say,

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Speaker 1: this is the seventeenth year to the day anniversary when

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Speaker 1: I moved to last Oh, that's a long time. It's

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Speaker 1: a long time, Like I can't even believe it. But

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Speaker 1: I always remember getting off at Lax being like, what

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Speaker 1: did I just do? To blow up my life like

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Speaker 1: this renting a beater, piece of shit, fucked up car,

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Speaker 1: and I got on the four oh five and the

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Speaker 1: ten scariest drive of my entire life, and I had

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Speaker 1: a Thomas guy to get around. Some big ass nerd

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Speaker 1: created the Thomas Guide. I was like, don't even come

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Speaker 1: at me with this thick book of fucking coordinates, Like

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about how I used to try

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Speaker 1: to get a round audition? Oh? Hell no, I'm a

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Speaker 1: geographic dumb dumb. I'm a bad driver, like very bad,

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Speaker 1: which reminds me. Also, you and I, You and I

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Speaker 1: are cut, we have the same We shot the pilot

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Speaker 1: and it's raining, and you're in a you're so hot,

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Speaker 1: you're in a leather jacket and you're in a jeep

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Speaker 1: wrangler that has no top. Oh my god. Remember, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, can I follow you to get on the

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Speaker 1: one oh one? And I kept saying like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, I got it. And

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Speaker 1: I see you in my rearview mirror, like following me,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know where I'm going, and I just

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Speaker 1: remember I keep pulling uee's and you're pulling UEI's and

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Speaker 1: it's s raining as shit. Yeah. I was like, it

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Speaker 1: would be worse if it was just me, girl. I

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Speaker 1: was impressed at all. I was like, do your thing,

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Speaker 1: take your time. Now. There are a few controversial players

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Speaker 1: that we have had on the podcast that we're going

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Speaker 1: to have on the podcast. Controversial players. This one is

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Speaker 1: a controversial player because he is a polarizing motherfucker. This

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Speaker 1: is the number one fucking polarizing. Like you either are

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Speaker 1: makes you mad at him. Yeah, I fucking teeter talk.

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Speaker 1: I'm back and forth like I love him and I

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Speaker 1: laugh and I enjoy it, and then I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: cannot believe you freaking did that. And I'm so pissed

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Speaker 1: at him, Like I go back and forth. He's kind

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Speaker 1: I'll go off on a motherfucker. Yeah. See, he never

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Speaker 1: it's because he was always a little bit like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you don't do that to Guermo, like you don't there,

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Speaker 1: he didn't do to you what he's done did to me,

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Speaker 1: or because I'm such a fucking easy target. But here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. He's the most talented dude without trying, which

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Speaker 1: is so frustrating. Yeah, like Josh Mullen is the smartest

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Speaker 1: think of what I'm gonna say. Sometimes, guys, we would

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Speaker 1: do cold reads of our scripts, and I would be

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Speaker 1: fucking mortified that they would find out in a cold read,

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Speaker 1: like how exactly dumb I am? But like I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: like a turn of phrase or something that was like

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Speaker 1: make sure there wasn't something that would out how like

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Speaker 1: unintelligent I was. Because there were so many fucking smart

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Speaker 1: people in our cast, Like do you know that Bellamy

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Speaker 1: Young and Josh Willna went to Yale fucking Yale, dude,

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Speaker 1: like real kidding, And Shanda went to Dartmouth. Half the

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Speaker 1: writers or more were like journalists, perfect like unbelievable talent.

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Speaker 1: Do you carry went to GWS? Right? That's right? Obviously

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Speaker 1: She's a political animal and just ridiculously smart. Where did

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Speaker 1: you go, Katie, Well, I went to Tish School. You

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Speaker 1: you don't got to be smart to get in there. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's not easy to get into No, you have to

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Speaker 1: have done well. But it has something to do with smarts.

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Speaker 1: For me, I just was good at school, and if

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Speaker 1: make them like me and give me an like I

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Speaker 1: was working that shit from jump. But guys, we have

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Speaker 1: teased one of the most controversial and polarizing guests to

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Speaker 1: have ever been on the Skin and Rewatch podcast and

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Speaker 1: on Scanal. I love him. I think he's so amazing.

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Speaker 1: And we are talking about episode two oh one called

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Speaker 1: White Hats Off, which aired on September twenty seventh of

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, and it was written by Jenna Bands and

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Speaker 1: directed by our very own we love him so much,

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Speaker 1: Tom Verica. Whoa, whoa, We love you, Tom Verica. It

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Speaker 1: was guest starring Wendy Davis Is Kimberly, Mitchell Reese Rios

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Speaker 1: as reporter number one, did Norah Walcott as Reporter Number two,

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Speaker 1: Erica Schaefer as TV newscaster, j Jackson as local newscaster,

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Speaker 1: and then we have Jimmy Kimmel as himself, Jackson Hurst

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Speaker 1: as Congressman Jacob Shaw, Gillian Armanante as Moira, O'Donnell, Mara

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Speaker 1: Soden as Doctor Brown, and I wanted to add Shelley

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Speaker 1: Morrison as the judge who played Rosario in Will and Grace.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, this is the synopsis. This was

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Speaker 1: our first episode back. I mean, after we shot the

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Speaker 1: first seven episodes of the first season, we didn't know

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Speaker 1: for sure if we were going to get a second season, right,

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Speaker 1: We didn't know. Six months after Quinn's arrest, Olidia and

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Speaker 1: the OPA team are confident they'll win her case, as

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Speaker 1: David Rosen's evidence is mostly just Quinn's motive, her cheating

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Speaker 1: team helps a congressman navigate a sex tape scandal. As

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Speaker 1: Quinn's case begins to crumble around her, but Olivia refuses

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Speaker 1: Huck were the ones actually behind Quinn's new identity. I

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Speaker 1: remember literally spending all summer with people asking me if

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Speaker 1: I knew who Quinn Perkins was, And I was like no,

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Speaker 1: because because if the cliffhanger at the end of season

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Speaker 1: one is Olivia telling Quinn, do you want to tell

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Speaker 1: Tell them? Right? Yeah? Do you want to tell them

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Speaker 1: So people held on to that for how long before

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Speaker 1: we came back? Well, this aired September twenty seventh, in

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Speaker 1: got married. Okay. I have this memory of two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifteen people going like, who are who are you?

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Speaker 1: Who is Quinn? Yeah? Who is Quinn? And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: probably the writers didn't fully know exactly which direction they

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go either, I would think, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: think they knew it? Yeah, I don't think they knew

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Speaker 1: he has seen eating or mentioning Gettysburger. Gettysburger. How good

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Speaker 1: does a burger sound right now, Fox, I would rush

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Speaker 1: Bourdain last night and he's eating a cheeseburger at just

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Speaker 1: oh god, I love it. There are three fucking continuity

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Speaker 1: errors in this episode. Photos of Elaine show that she's blonde,

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Speaker 1: but in Truth or Consequences, the actress playing Elane is

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Speaker 1: a brunette. A brunette. Oh this is the best. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Tyler is not Adam Shapiro at this time. It's

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Speaker 1: some other dude that they took photos of and they

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Speaker 1: whoopsie doodle. Yeah, they didn't know Adam was going to

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Speaker 1: play play the role. Yeah. No. After Olivia and David

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Speaker 1: Iwajima with the Statehouse in Washington omnument in the background.

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Speaker 1: continuity that didn't happen. Were there any winning scenes from

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Speaker 1: hire is there, and Olivia's like, give me a moment, please,

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Speaker 1: and you stand up and we see Quinn's fury, like,

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Speaker 1: come out. You were so good. You were a fucking powerhouse.

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Speaker 1: And that's oh god, I thought I was horrible. Oh

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, have you ever flipped out

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Speaker 1: like that? I love you've done that right? Oh yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that scene where you flip out on Olivia, Man,

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Speaker 1: I fucking loved it. I was like, hell yeah to

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Speaker 1: say that. So that's I really think gar I really

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Speaker 1: think all of Josh's room scenes are fucking unbelievable. Oh

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Speaker 1: so good. That courtroom stuff is really really fun, fun

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Speaker 1: I love how much we love a Gillian Armonante who

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Speaker 1: played your defense attorney. Oh, she's so great in this episode.

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Speaker 1: And I looked her up to and she she had

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Speaker 1: been in two epic movies. One was Dog Fight with

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Speaker 1: a Lily Taylor. We have you've ever seen that film?

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Speaker 1: And no great movie? I see nothing, I watch nothing,

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Speaker 1: with Winona Ryder. Yeah, Abby is into watching the sex

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Speaker 1: daye herself. I wrote there's the your ornamental not instrumental yes,

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Speaker 1: which is a big winning line from the FSA you

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Speaker 1: that allow you to send a text or an email

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00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: as if it's from a specific person's phone. And I

421
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: remember writing back to Jimmy like, this is great. Do

422
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: you think it would be a bad idea to write

423
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: emails from Shonda Rhymes to people? And he said no,

424
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: I think that would be a great idea, but I

425
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: would wait until Scar handles off the year right now. No,

426
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: I was like, it's April Fool's Day, like, how can

427
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: I not do this? And I just wrote an email

428
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: to Tom Verica, our executive directing producer, and I wrote

429
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: him an email from Shanda that just said not cool.

430
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: Tom must have lost his ship. Well, as it turns out,

431
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: he was in the middle of renegotiating his contract. This

432
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: is just bad timing renegotiating. Josh, Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah?

433
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: I figured he'd see it. He knows it's April fools

434
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: will probably call me and be like, dude, did you

435
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: do this? Or he'll call Shana the laugh. But weeks

436
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: passed and I was like, oh, maybe it didn't even

437
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: go through, like a VI should worry about. Then I

438
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: got this thing like go see them in their office

439
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: and I sat down and they started saying, like Tom

440
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: Verica got an email. I was like, oh, not cool Tom, Yeah,

441
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: and they were like, don't impersonate. How did they even

442
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: find out that it was you? They didn't. I think

443
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: they they just went through. They were like, it's gotta

444
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: be Josh. Apparently there was a whole like Disney ABCNE investigation.

445
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I think they like, I don't think

446
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: they forensically traced it to me. I think just someone

447
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: said like, who's the asshole, who's most likely to have

448
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: done this? I remember vague things after this came out

449
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: that they were like, holy shit, Shanda thought she had

450
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: been hacked. They had hired like people to look through

451
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: with the server and make sure that no one else

452
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: was emailing up. The definitely escalated into something I didn't anticipate,

453
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: as pranks sometimes do, and that was a bummer. And

454
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: then the second time, which was really bad, was when Porscherosi,

455
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: whom I love and played my love interest on and off,

456
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: she was leaving. She was filming her final day, and

457
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: so I took I can't even remember whether there was

458
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: a sunscreen or vasoline, and I put it under the

459
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: door handle on the driver's side of her crazy expensive

460
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: car in the parking spot next to mine. Every day

461
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh a Lamborghini. Oh you've been wow, unbelievable.

462
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: Look this is my love language. I wouldn't do it

463
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: to somebody I didn't like, but I expected to hear

464
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: from Porsche like that night or the next morning, like

465
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: you got me, and blah blah blah. Never heard anything again.

466
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: Weeks passed again, I finished filming a scene and somebody

467
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: was like, you have to go straight to there. I'm like, no,

468
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: not this again. And I remember I went up there

469
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: and I was nervously eating candy from the little candy

470
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: jar waiting in the empty room too, I guess Shunda's thing.

471
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: And she walked past me and the first time ever,

472
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: she gave me a death stare, and I was like,

473
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is really bad, like because usually

474
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: I can see she like kind of even though I'm

475
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: a rasper, but this was dead. This was thousand yards stare.

476
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: Like I just I ran Cole. I mean, I'm sweating

477
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: actually just telling the story. And I went in and

478
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: I think I said, what is it this time? Like

479
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: fray ice and they were not having it. They were

480
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: not laughing, and I think I then said, please tell

481
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: me this isn't about portions, car door handle, and they

482
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, as a matter of fact, that is

483
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: what it's about. And again, bad timing didn't occur to me.

484
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: The final scene she was filming spoiler alert, Can I

485
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: give this? Maybe not? Okay. I believe she died by

486
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: being beaten to death with a golf club. Oh yeah,

487
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: so she was leaving the show. I'm sure that had

488
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: some emotion in it. She had filmed getting killed by

489
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: golf club for seven hours, and at three in the

490
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: morning she went to her car and she got a

491
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: handful of asoline and she thought like, wow, somebody hates me.

492
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, no, And I remember saying

493
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: that you're absolutely right to be upset about this. The

494
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: last thing I wanted to do was upset her. I've

495
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: talked about doing this thing. I thought she would know immediately.

496
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: Here's what I can tell you. I can tell you

497
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: that I'm going to walk out of this office. I'm

498
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: going to text Porsche and I give you my word,

499
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: it's not going to be long before I come back

500
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: with a text that's like, oh my god, you got me.

501
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: And they were like okay, and I walked out and run.

502
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'm the one who did vassily and

503
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: you know I love you, and it literally she wrote

504
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: back like, oh my god, I love and I want

505
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: back in and I was like, does this get me

506
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: off the hook? I showed them my phone. God damn you, Josh,

507
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: my guy. I remember Betsy saying essentially, we are accomplished

508
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: women who have more important things to do than field

509
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: phone calls from Elen DeGeneres, who's mad that her who

510
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, You're absolutely right. This

511
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: is a reflection on the fact that I am not

512
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: the complience. I have nothing but free time to do

513
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: these kinds of things, and it really shouldn't spill over

514
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: into your busy days. I'm terribly sorry. I would like

515
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: to continue working here. Please accept my Oh God, and Josh.

516
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: Because you are you, you will always get off, like

517
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: I just think. I mean, I just even if it's

518
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: by this the skin of your teeth, you will get off.

519
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: And I don't know why or how you've made it

520
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: this far. I mean, that would scare me enough where

521
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll skate that close to the edge

522
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: ever again. Because I was thinking if I have to

523
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: call my wife and go like I lost my job

524
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: as scandal and when she says why, I say, well,

525
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: think kick out of this, and she would have been right, like,

526
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Grow up? You're in your fifties. Okay,

527
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: next question, how the fuck did you? Okay, first of all,

528
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: I know you shit all over. Well, you're really interesting

529
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: all over, like like being being an actor and like

530
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, you're not actorly in that, but it's really

531
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: bullshit because I do think somewhere in your heart you

532
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: of it. Oh no, I do love it. I'm not.

533
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: I watched this episode and I was like, I'm always thinking,

534
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to think for the first time like that

535
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Not watching I was like, my voice

536
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: is terrible bad ourselves though, because no one else is

537
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: thinking that, Josh, you're you're so good. Yeah, I'm not

538
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: trying to make you say Oh, We've been saying it, yo.

539
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: We've taped how many episodes already, and we are constantly

540
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: saying how great you are. And this episode doesn't even

541
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't even show the caliber of your work. That

542
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: episode when you wake up and there's a dead woman

543
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: in your bed like you were, that was brilliant in

544
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: that episode, such great work wrote you like amazing. I mean,

545
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: whether or not it's to your taste. They wrote for

546
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: you sex scenes and murder and fucking jury shit and

547
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: like you're a school teacher and you're afraid and you're

548
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: like you got to do a lot of Yeah. Absolutely.

549
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: For the first few episode I thought I was on

550
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: a procedural. I was like, this is where you basically

551
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: give the same performance in the same character for seven

552
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: years hopefully or eight years and nine years and nothing changes.

553
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: Then like whatever. A few episodes in, I was like,

554
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: what I read the script like, she's having sex in

555
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: the shower. Yeah. I was just like, oh, this is insane.

556
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: And then a few more episodes later, I'm like, oh

557
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: my god, I'm part of the insanity. There's still by

558
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: the way, people who can't believe, like there's a woman

559
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: who's been tweeting the last couple of weeks like not

560
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: another sex scene with Josh Malina, like, Shanda, what are

561
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: you doing? I was like, if you think you were

562
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: surprised to be seeing me have sex, or do you

563
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: think how surprised I was to open a script and

564
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: be like, I'm having you and Abby. Abby and David

565
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: Rosen were like the first couple I feel like on

566
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: the show where we were like, oh my god, these

567
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: are two lead characters that were going to put together

568
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: like in a sexual scenario, and you guys had such

569
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: I was surprised you guys. Oh, you guys were really good,

570
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: but you were also like that that mean big brother

571
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: who would do shit to Darby. Like on set, I

572
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: remember we'd be rehearsed you're opa or wherever we had

573
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: a scene and she would be holding her side. If

574
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: she was sitting on a chair that had wheels, you

575
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: would grab her and wheel her like fifty feet away too,

576
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: or you would smack her sides like, oh josh, there

577
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: are definitely people listening. Now we're laughing as if it's great,

578
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: and there are people listening to how going he is,

579
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: but you're Shanda's always talking about her No, Ashole apologies,

580
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: like how did this go? I'm telling you we've talked

581
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: about this on this podcast. You won't listen to it,

582
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter. But let me tell you your face. No,

583
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: we talk about how fucking good you are. And my

584
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: question is I don't understand how you're that good when

585
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: you don't try and I try so hard, And how

586
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: do you memorize lines in the makeup chair? Yeah? Why

587
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: does your brain work like that? Like we just watched

588
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: the episode that where we're like, you sit and you

589
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: have this amazing monologue where you're like, stab, stab stab, Oh,

590
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: how I love to stab And it's a whole monologue

591
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: that's iron and Harrison like stop talking, stop talking, and

592
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: you just go on and on and on. But like,

593
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: do you never prepare or the night before look over stuff?

594
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: What's your process? That's a good question. Just because Shanda

595
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: listens to this, I want to defend myself. I take

596
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: it seriously to on a certain level. I do try.

597
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: I read a script once to be like, let's see

598
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: what the story is. Although if I'm probably honest, I

599
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: read my scenes first. I do that too, though I

600
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: do that too. Now that it's all delivered Electrono be,

601
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: you can just search En Rosen Rosen, like, Okay, that's

602
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: all my stuff. Now, let's figure out what's going on.

603
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: And then when it was scandal, I would always send

604
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: the script to my dad and then I'd be like,

605
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: so explain to me what's going on. Oh my god,

606
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: I should have done that. Me and Katie should have

607
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: done that. Send it to your dad, because sometimes we

608
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: would be like, what's happening? Yeah? I was like, my

609
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: dad and my mom are like my biggest supporters, and

610
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: they always watched it and they kept track of it.

611
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually at their house right now, and I would

612
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: often say to my dad, so, like, talk me through,

613
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: like plot wise, I don't know why am I in

614
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: court and I'm defending who what I you remember in

615
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: season three and you killed that? And then so they

616
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: watch everything you ever do, like backwards and forwards, just

617
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: because they love you and they're so proud of you

618
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yes, that's true. They're very very supportive Jewish parents,

619
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: so sweet. I do have a very good memory for dialogue.

620
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what I have for Lench yesterday, but

621
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I can remember dialogue very quickly. Has that changed since

622
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: COVID or in Age? No? I don't think so. Now

623
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: and now I'm doing plays, I realized how much I

624
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: had trained myself to learn dialogue quickly and forget it quickly,

625
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Like if if I did shot this dialogue on Monday,

626
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I knew it cold, but on Tuesday Garol had that too,

627
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: like an amazing short term memory. You can plug it

628
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: in and then the next day it's fucking gone. The

629
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: minute we walk off set, when that scene is done,

630
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: it's out of my brain, like it's gone. And Katie

631
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: would be like, let's try to do that scene we

632
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: did like last month, and I was like, Katie, what

633
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I can't even remembering what I

634
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: would do it for fun. I memorize long haul though,

635
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: like I'm such a theater bitch. But okay, if you

636
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: had a big monologue on Scandal, would you learn it

637
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: the night before or always in the makeup chair? Like

638
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: what were you doing? I would definitely familiarize myself with

639
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: it the night before, feeling that and not just out

640
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: of laziness, but like some some smart person once said

641
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: to me, like, you want to learn your stuff for TV,

642
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: but just shy of knowing it cold so that it'll

643
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: appear like you're finding it a little bit, like you know,

644
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: seem like a human being. Yeah, it doesn't sound like

645
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: they memorize something. So I got I'm very good at

646
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: finding the line where like I got it pretty much.

647
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sleep on out and gonna wake up and

648
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: in the makeup chair, I'm gonna nail it down and

649
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: I'll probably run it with the other persons also in

650
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: the makeup chair. But I do remember one awkward day

651
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: where we were all looking at our sides and I

652
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: said something like, you know, you guys reminded who's Christine?

653
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: And everybody just slowly looked at me in there like

654
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: are you kidding? Like the whole season is about this character,

655
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just remember being really embarrassed.

656
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're being see or you were

657
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: like really no, I really don't know. I was like,

658
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand this scene. Why are we also obsessed

659
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: with Christine or whatever it was? And they were just like,

660
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? I was embarrassing. Wait, do

661
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: you ever think about like what do I want in

662
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: a scene? Or what's my moment before or anything? No? Right,

663
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: like you just I just think you have that same

664
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: actor chip in your brain, like like you're really good

665
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: at text obviously between Sorkin and this show, like text

666
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: is not an issue for you, and you're I'm telling you, Josh,

667
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: your work in these two seasons. I'm so jealous because

668
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I know you're not right like my action or my

669
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: objective or my like you know, thinking about beats or shifts.

670
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: You You're just there. Yeah, I feel like I have

671
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: a good instinct for it. But the truth is, usually

672
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: when I watched my work, I'm like you were fine.

673
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not usually like you, Like

674
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm horribly insecure. But maybe if I did some of

675
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: those things you're saying, I'd be better than Maybe. I know.

676
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: I that's what makes you so good. That's not part

677
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: of your process. Do you think that is? Like, I

678
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: think there's some effortlessness to something that's so difficult, you

679
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: making it look like it's so fucking easy. Yeah, this

680
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: is for ladies and gentlemen. Josh Melina is about to

681
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: be starring back on Broadway. He's been on Broadway before.

682
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: If you can catch him, you should. In leopolch Doad

683
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: written by the one and only fucking Tom Stoppard. I

684
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: already have my tickets. I'm going June tenth with eight

685
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: family members. Katie, I want to go, come with me

686
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: June eighth. I'm going to see any gladiators listening. June eighth,

687
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: I will be at Leopolchtads screaming and probably crying. It's

688
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: that script is remarkable, It's amazing he's writing. I was seventeen,

689
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: almost eighteen, and my dad's best friend was and still

690
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: is Manny Aisenberg's famous amazing producer who produced Tom Stoppard's

691
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: The Real Thing on Broadway. So I got invited to

692
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: opening night and as a seventeen year old, I was

693
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: suing and I was just like the writing like blue

694
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: my mind is writing is unreal, and that literally forty

695
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: years later, I believe him. See, this is why people

696
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: keep you around. Really quickly. Since we're talking about some

697
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: pass work, I'm gonna rattle off some of Josh's credits,

698
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: give it because I live it this up and I

699
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh my God, Like, there's so much and

700
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: so much epic projects that he's done. A few good men,

701
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: the American President, Tracy takes on clock Watches with my

702
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: buddy Parker Posey, The Larry Sanders Show, Sports Night, The

703
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: West Wing, Stargate, Grey's Anatomy, I Carly and my favorite

704
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: Big Bank theory of course. But I'm also like a

705
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: huge horror film fan. And you haven't been in a

706
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: hart Phone, but you were in a thriller called Malice

707
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: that Aaron Sorkin also wrote. Correct. Yes, but I was

708
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: in one horror movie horror comedy called The Knights of Badass. Oh,

709
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: and I think Steve zn was in it, Peter dank Lidge.

710
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: It was comedy horror about a bunch of Larper's live

711
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: action role players. I'm gonna watch it tonight and I'm

712
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: coming over and I'm getting stoned and I'm watching it

713
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: with you. Yes, it was low budget to begin with

714
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: and then they didn't get the full effects budgets, like

715
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: there's I know the director is not happy with like

716
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: how it turned out, and I spoiler alert, have my

717
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: jaw ripped off as I'm being filated by a wood tea. Well, listen,

718
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: I went out Amazon Prime and I bought Malice because

719
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to watch it. When I looked up your credit,

720
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: Josh plays this really cute like resident doctor or nurse

721
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: who comes out and speaks to Bill Pullman. But it's

722
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: a really fun like old school like eighties thriller movie.

723
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Well the funny. Patrick Marber, the director, when he was

724
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: talking to me about potentially doing the role, said, and

725
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: you know it takes place in Vietna, but we've toyed

726
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: with doing Viens or German. We didn't do that, and

727
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: it opened in London, so everyone, you know, he said,

728
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: you don't have to sound British, but you can't sound America.

729
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Can do in Mexican like everyone isditionalist. So you're not

730
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: even doing like heightened American, like like the Gilded Age

731
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: or something. No, it's pretty fifty years ago. You couldn't

732
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: get a foot in, you couldn't travel without a permit.

733
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: That's really good, Josh, it's really good. Thank you. We

734
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: will be back with more after the break now that

735
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to jog my memory about like David Rosen's journey. Okay,

736
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: so you auditioned for the role. Yes, Shanna was into you.

737
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: You went, got called to the principal's office a few times.

738
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: You had love interests with Abby Porsha and were you

739
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: also with um Artemis. Yes, our missus lovely A Susan

740
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Oh and Zoe Perry and Zoe Perry and off camera

741
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: but dirty, dirty Susie whatever her name was, with the way,

742
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: we didn't when we have Shanna back on, got to

743
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: ask her like, I don't think there's a single character

744
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: on our show that went through that many Like, what's

745
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: that about? For sure? That is just Shana going. I

746
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: can do anything on television. I can take the least

747
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: attractive oldest member of my cast and have him have

748
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: more Susan. I'm telling you that's exactly what it is.

749
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: You were successfully pranked by us and the Jimmy Kimmel Show. Remember,

750
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: Oh Kimmel happens to be in this episode. Yes, Kimmel

751
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: is in an episode two one, that's right, and he's

752
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: interviewing the congressman Jacob Shaw, who's the case of the week,

753
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: and we love Kimmel, but he approached us like by

754
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: the end of Scandal, they were like, we want to

755
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: get Josh. And they spent so much money on this prank, Like, well,

756
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: first of all, I had had an idea and I

757
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: remember pitching our pr people like Bachelor has all these

758
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: watch parties, and the Bachelor people show up, they're surprised.

759
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: They love it, like everybody's having their wine and popcorn

760
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Scandal watching part parties. Why don't we like surprise a

761
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: few people and like maybe it's a nice way to

762
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: go out with the final season. And they did it

763
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: through Good Morning America and Tony was the first and

764
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: this was all part of the Yeah. Then they were like, Josh,

765
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: you have to do one of these And I actually

766
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: really didn't watch, like I don't want to do it,

767
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: but it really speaks to your horror, which is as

768
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: much as Josh, Willie's a prankster, smartest person in the

769
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: room keeps his life interesting by like really pushing boundaries

770
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: with people. But Josh, you with fans is ridiculous, Like

771
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: you give them all the time in the world. You're

772
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: nice to say. I mean, I know you're very nice

773
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: to say that, and I know it comes from like

774
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe anybody's happy to see me, so I'm like,

775
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: gotta keep your fans happy, like so you keep in business,

776
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: and like also just appreciation for people who are appreciating me,

777
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Like Scandal fans are the best I did enjoy. So

778
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: the prank was about them asking you to show at

779
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: the end of this run. You know, they asked me

780
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: and Josh to come to a Scandal Roch watch party

781
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: and they we knew they would be watching Scandal and

782
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: we would walk in and it was up to me

783
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: to convince Josh that he should use a confetti blower thing.

784
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: And when we call in, god one of those guns

785
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: a confetti cannon. I remember, we go in, they're watching

786
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Candle Can See and we pop in with our with

787
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: our camera. Boom, I pulled the confettiti hey, and like

788
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: everyone's laughing and having fun. And then I see the

789
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: mom in her chair like seemed really startled by the

790
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: confetti can clutching her chest for this and she's actually

791
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: clutching her chest and I'm starting to think, like, oh,

792
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: that was this is bad. We really, we really scared

793
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: this woman. Then I'm like, oh, no, she'sn't. Actually she's

794
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: a medical discomper, and I will admit it was nice

795
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: enough to like I definitely I went over and I

796
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: think I held her hand and I was trying to

797
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: calm down. The one thing I did was also cover

798
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: my ass because I'm thinking that if she died, did

799
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: I kill her? Is this like second agreement? Voluntary? Man?

800
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: And you can see me in the actual video of

801
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: the press. I'm only being quiet because I can't believed this. No,

802
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and I say to her something like they

803
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: handed me the thing, or yeah, it wasn't my idea,

804
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: sort of like I'm trying to lay down my legal

805
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: case for when And then next thing I know, I

806
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: hear I hear a siren and like an ambulance has

807
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: been called, and I'm like, oh my god, this is

808
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: actually happening. And the paramedics burst through with the COT

809
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: but one of the paramedics is Jimmy Kimmel, and my

810
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: mind is like, what's going on? And I'm like, why

811
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: You've got me so bad? They throw me into the stretcher.

812
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm deeply embarrassed, but also usually really that I didn't

813
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: kill this woman. And they wheel me outside, and unbeknownst

814
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: to me, they were concerned that I would not fall

815
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: for it and they wanted to back up freaking frank.

816
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: So there's a fire engine in the driveway and I

817
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: get sit up and they blast me from the what

818
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they blasted with a fire hole the old

819
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: lady actress. I had been there all day rehearsing for

820
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: like three hours, like different ways the scene could go.

821
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: I have never done a prank in my entire life.

822
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: I am so wildly uncomfortable with making people upset or

823
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: feel bad or like pranking to me is like I'm

824
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: one of those people that gives it up right away.

825
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just kidding, We're just so. Then I

826
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: remember the garage door slowly opening and there's like video

827
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: village is in there, and we all have earbuds in

828
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: like all the actors in a scene. The older woman

829
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: who pretend to have a heart attack me, we had

830
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: earbuds in case. The director was like, oh, it was insane.

831
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: They spent like a billion dollars. It was insane. And

832
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: also I remember before we did it, our publicist. I

833
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: think it was Chris and Anderson at the time, calling

834
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: you and saying, do you know if Josh has ever

835
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: had a heart attack or if someone recently that he

836
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: loves has had a heart attack, because we want to

837
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: do this, but we also like don't want it to

838
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: go horribly awry in case it like God, we don't know,

839
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Speaker 1: like maybe his aunt or someone just had a heart

840
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: attack and he's just going to be Oh, that's actually

841
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: very unwell. And I remember thinking afterwards I wish I

842
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: had been onto what they were doing. If I figured

843
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: it out, I could have then pretended myself to have

844
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: a heart attack and see if I could survived it.

845
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: I would not have the best man ever. But unfortunately,

846
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: it turns out that the fact that you do practical

847
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: jokes and pranks for thirty years doesn't mean that you're

848
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: any less gullible than anybody else. Because I fell for

849
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: it completely. I remember actually texting Kimmel when I was

850
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: going to bed that night. I was like, well done,

851
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: and he rubbed back to me like was that real?

852
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: Did you really fall for that? Like he actually almost

853
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I was like, dude, that was a

854
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: h but how could you not? That wasn't just like

855
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: a run of the mill fucking thing. I mean that

856
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: was like actors who would rehearse if we were doing

857
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: the drop in for Kimmel's, if you would have America

858
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: my mind. But I don't think good Morning America is

859
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: doing this. Nothing occurred. Luckily you have Kimmel's phone number.

860
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: Fucking Katie has sean to rhyme's phone number number. Wait

861
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: really quickly about this episode? What was the parts and

862
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: you watched last night that you thought you were uh yeah,

863
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. I have memories of shooting this episode

864
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: because it was a lot of me. It was a

865
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people sitting well, I strut

866
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: around doing things, and part of it was literally vocally,

867
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't sound like you want to

868
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: you know when you're like, and isn't it true you

869
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: want to be one of those you say what the hell? Hell?

870
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: You keep saying what the hell when they let Quinn

871
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: in this episode to jog all of your listeners memory,

872
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: this is the episode where who is Quinn Perkins? Who

873
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: is Quinn Perkins? But wait, okay, so you thought your

874
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: acting was bad? You say what the hell? A lot

875
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: what did you feel like when you read this script?

876
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Not about this episode where Darby us to put her

877
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: hand in your mouth or you're something like that. I

878
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: felt very similarly to the way I felt when I

879
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: finally watched it. I was like, I don't know what's

880
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: going on? Is this supposed to be sexy? Is this

881
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: some sort of BDSM? Is this? And I was hot?

882
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: I read it, we shot it, I watched it, and

883
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: I still never figured out what Josh I can't um Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait,

884
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: there's more, There's more, this more, okay. This is the

885
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: first episode that marked both Bellama Young and Josh Molina

886
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: a series regulars. You guys went to Yale, but not

887
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: at the same time. She is younger than I, so

888
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: she she knew who I was. She did not, She

889
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: did no, I think, because I think we were actually

890
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: maybe in Guys and Dolls together. The idea that she

891
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: may have had a smaller roller or been in the

892
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: ensemble and I had a lead. It's funny because I

893
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: can't sing and she has a beautiful voice. Did you

894
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: do a ton of plays in college? Josh? I did. Yeah,

895
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm an undergraduate theater said he's major. Every now and

896
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: then people think like, oh, you went to Yale drama school.

897
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I went to the other one and

898
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: was a drama made. I went to the knot because

899
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: they just drama school, but I knew I wanted to

900
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: be an actual already, and my parents were like, for

901
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: the love of God, get a college degree. Also, what

902
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: it was your degree in. It's not like it didn't

903
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: help me at all with acting and wouldn't have helped

904
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: me in anything else. Do you remember what the first

905
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: play was that you did? There? I do, I did.

906
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: Christopher Durrang's sister, Mary Ignatius explains it all. Wow, do

907
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: you have any memories from the first two seasons that

908
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: stick out? Do you have any memories from the pilot?

909
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: I remember shooting those scenes at the door with Kerry

910
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: and scene in a bar with Kerry. Most of my

911
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: stuff was with Kerry, and I just remember liking her

912
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: a lot, like like I just remember vibing like she's cool.

913
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: First of all, Like whenever the number one person on

914
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: the culture it is cool. It's like, yeah, this is

915
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: a very good sign. Did you feel like at the

916
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: end of season one, like we're definitely going to get

917
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: a season too? Did you feel like it would was

918
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: going to be one hundred and twenty four episodes show.

919
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: I just remember early on thinking it was a procedural approach,

920
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: and procedurals, if they hit, they last a long time. Yeah,

921
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: they last a long time, and they're they're worth a

922
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: lot in syndication because you can play him in any

923
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: order and it doesn't matter, and people can pop in

924
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: and watch a rerun or whatever. And then once it

925
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: started turning into this insane show that was burning through plot,

926
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this episode has as

927
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: much plot as a full season of another show, Like

928
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: this cannot sustain. So I started getting nerves. Even as

929
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: the show was getting like better and more interesting and

930
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: crazy and it was fun, I was like, this is

931
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: gonna this might be a death sentence. We'd already shot

932
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: the president by like the thirteenth episode in it, It's like,

933
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: what the fuck are I gonna do? No, exactly. I

934
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: underestimated the fiendish creative mind of Shanda Rhimes and her

935
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: writers because like they never had any problem coming up

936
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: with seven plots per episode that were completely insane, and like, oh,

937
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: they can keep this running as long as they want,

938
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: Like this is why I'm not a writer and they are.

939
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: But then I also remember when it was like taking

940
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: off on Twitter and I was like again literally like

941
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: butterflies on my stumble, Like I think this maybe turning

942
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: into a thing like everybody's talking about and people are

943
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: stopping me in the street, Like it really was a

944
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: fun ride with an incredible group of people, Like to

945
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: get one of those in a career is like more

946
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: than you can hope for. I remember thinking, is this

947
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: going to be like a Graze Anatomy situation? Like are

948
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: we gonna go for like twelve thirteen seasons? And then

949
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Shanda knew there was a beginning, middle,

950
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: and an end to the to the show, and she

951
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: let us know that it was ending it. But I

952
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: think we were all so bummed, right because the network

953
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: wanted us to keep going. I was like, wait what,

954
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: I know. I was definitely. I even remember as Shanda

955
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: was telling us in the conference call like that she

956
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: was ending it. I was text neighbor and we're like, god, yeah,

957
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: you were texting me like oh yeah, like how could

958
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: you we have the white whale? We have the fucking

959
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: white hat. Yeah, you're the best. I'm so excited to

960
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: see you. Yeah, this is so much fun. I realized

961
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: how much I'm missing that. When I don't see you,

962
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't miss you at all. But now that I'm

963
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: seeing you, I really I was like I did like

964
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: them more than they realized. To our gladiators, I haven't

965
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: earned it a dime since the show went off the air,

966
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: but thank you for that brief window in my life

967
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: when I didn't have to worry about money for like

968
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: five years. It's awesome all because of you, guys, Josh,

969
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: you had the best. We love you. Love you, guys.

970
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Tell George we love him and we'll be bugging him asap.

971
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell him he's not on the show. Twe tweetie, tweet, tweet, tweet,

972
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: twet tweet. Oh my god. People were fucking pumped from

973
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: these tweets because this was the fucking season two premiere

974
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: at ABC. Scandal fans tweet so ready for at Scanal

975
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: babyc premiere hashtag one minute, don't hate hashtag, asked Scandal,

976
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: and Lisa at Belenoir tweeted homemade shrimp hashtag I'm fancy

977
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: retweet call me dolla. What y'all bringing to the Scandal

978
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: watch party? So she made some cocon A shrimp and

979
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: brought it to a Scandal watch party. A m at

980
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: Everybody Loves DJ wrote, I'm ready to find out who

981
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: the hell Quinn is tonight hashtag scandal ugh real yah

982
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: at two Underscore, tol says, what the fuck is Quinn Perkins?

983
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: Hashtag Scandal, hashtag gladiers in suits? Everyone's talking about Quinn

984
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: at Chrissy B. Davis wrote, I had so many thoughts

985
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: as to who Quinn could be. Will be happy to

986
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: finally find out tonight hashtag scandal. I like that, And

987
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: then Aaron at Aaron J. Cruise tweeted who of the

988
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: Scandal cast is the most like the character they play?

989
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: Hashtag asked Scandal. That's when we were doing that hashtag

990
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: asked Scandal And then we would, you know, answer as

991
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: many questions as we could, Yes, we did. Hashtag as

992
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: Scandal forever. Who do you think is most like the

993
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: character that they play? Fucking I think Carrie Washington as Olivia.

994
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: I think so too in some ways. In some ways

995
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: she's Olivia is not goofy, right, and Carrie's got a

996
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: lot of Olivia popiner. I think I and Quinn have

997
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: a lot of smarties. I think Josh Molina and David

998
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Rosen have some stuff. Everybody has a little bit of it,

999
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: you don't, I mean, you know in the in the

1000
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: being quiet and sometimes wanting to be alone, and I

1001
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: could see that being you know, similar to myself and

1002
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: to talk. Yeah, but howk you literally make your voice

1003
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: and the mask of your face different. Oh yeah, Like

1004
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: you do things as your face is garmo that you

1005
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: don't do on your face as huk. That's so true.

1006
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: That's so true. Like you have a mask that actually

1007
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: like changes, which is fucking amazing to behold. Yeah. The

1008
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: next episode is called Grant for the People People. I

1009
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: don't remember what the fuck happened. I have no idea,

1010
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: but y'all are going to want to listen and stay

1011
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: tuned because you know it's going to be a good time.

1012
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: We gotta go watch it now, so we're ready for

1013
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: the next episode of this podcast. Any Gladiators that don't

1014
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: think Josh Willne is hot enough to have a sex

1015
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: scene leave him alone. He's so hot. I think he's sexy, sexy.

1016
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: I do too. Also, I'm so jealous that he's going

1017
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: to have lunch right now with George Newburn of the

1018
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: Century City Mall, we should go crashtass ship right now,

1019
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: he invited us. Did you get that text? No, I

1020
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: haven't even looked at my phone because we're doing a podcast.

1021
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: He texted us yesterday saying, Yo, I'm not sure what

1022
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: time you guys stopped recording, but I'm going to have

1023
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: lunch with George Newburn if you both like to come.

1024
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't get that, but whatever, we don't want

1025
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: to go anyway. That is, yeah, but yo, Josh is

1026
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: so freaking smart and talented and fun to talk to,

1027
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: Like we could have done this for like three more hours,

1028
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, Like he's so much fun. I love all

1029
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: the best, and he really was an important energy on Scan.

1030
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: He really wasn't important. He has so many great episodes

1031
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: where his work is superstellar. So we're definitely going to

1032
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: have him back. Yes, absolutely. I love you all so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Thank you everyone, Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or

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Speaker 1: leave us a review. Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey,

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Speaker 1: Alex AlCH, Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang and Gabrielle Collins. Our

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00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: producer and editor is Vince De Johnny, with music by

1039
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: Chad Fisher. Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and

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00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: you can follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu. Unpacking

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