WEBVTT - Chappell Roan: “I Do Not Hate Children”

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Monday, March twenty third, and we

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<v Speaker 1>too are trying to get caught up on what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>is going on with Chapel Ron because we just saw

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<v Speaker 1>her post an apology video, and in that video she

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<v Speaker 1>uttered these words, I don't hate children, and with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robe. The

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<v Speaker 1>headlines have been everywhere for several days. We finally decided

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<v Speaker 1>to get caught up and it was like holy hell

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<v Speaker 1>going on.

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<v Speaker 2>It just kept snowballing because we first get a post

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<v Speaker 2>from a Brazilian soccer star alleging something happened to his

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<v Speaker 2>eleven year old daughter. But then chapel Arne jumps in,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the mom of the eleven year old jumps in,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's.

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<v Speaker 3>A whole big thing that everyone's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone has an opinion about, so we'll probably all

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<v Speaker 2>just see our opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Calmed down. Everybody just calmed down here. But chapel roone,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this. We'll get into it in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know she had a bit of a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>for having, i don't know, not being so kind to fans,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not even in her behavior, but even in her words,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, I wasn't familiar with that. Were you that

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<v Speaker 1>she kind of had.

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<v Speaker 3>A rep for No, I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>She Look, it is invasive being a celebrity, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people are like, oh, poor you

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<v Speaker 2>making millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>You need your fans to be the celebrity you are.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a bit of a conundrum when you have

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<v Speaker 2>a celebrity who obviously needs and loves the support of

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<v Speaker 2>her fans to buy her music, listen to her music,

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<v Speaker 2>come to her concerts. Also, at the same time wants

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<v Speaker 2>a private life, doesn't want to be bothered when she's

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<v Speaker 2>having breakfast or maybe even walking down the street. And so, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>seems like she has a fairly low tolerance for intrusions.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, everybody's different.

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<v Speaker 4>I can respect, I can respect. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this incident in particular, chaperone is down in Brazil

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<v Speaker 1>at a hotel. In particular, this is sal Paolo is

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<v Speaker 1>where they are at a hotel. She's there for a concert.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, she's performing. She's in what sounds like the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant at the hotel. And so the way the story goes,

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl eleven years old walks past, just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of eyes her trying to see if it was her

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<v Speaker 1>at her table, doesn't say anything, doesn't do anything, goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to her table with her mom. Then a security

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<v Speaker 1>guard comes over, beerates the little girl, makes her cry,

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<v Speaker 1>says he's gonna even possibly report her to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel staff, and that she's being disrespectful, on and

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<v Speaker 1>on and on. That's the journal idea of what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the girl happens to be the daughter of Jude

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<v Speaker 1>Law and his now ex wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Say your name for me, Catherine Harding, but she goes

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<v Speaker 2>by Kat Cavelli.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that is who the child is.

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<v Speaker 1>And the mother of the child, the mother being the

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<v Speaker 1>ex of Jude Law, is married to this soccer star

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<v Speaker 1>from Brazil.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's that stock soccer.

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<v Speaker 1>Star Robes, who is essentially the stepdad who put out

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<v Speaker 1>a long statement that got all of this started.

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<v Speaker 4>And please, what is his name again?

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<v Speaker 2>It's your Gigno Frello and he is a huge Brazilian

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<v Speaker 2>football or like we like to call them, soccer players,

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<v Speaker 2>goes by the one name. Yeah, he's such a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>He only goes by your Ginho. So look, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who is wildly famous in Brazil, has five

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<v Speaker 2>million followers on Instagram, and so yes, he went onto

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and called out Chapel.

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<v Speaker 1>Rowe and I think we have to actually it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little long, but I think we have to read

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing for you to get the gist. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is how he tells the story. And this guy

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<v Speaker 1>at all started yes, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I went through a very upsetting situation with

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<v Speaker 2>my family earlier today. My wife Kat Cavelli, is in

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<v Speaker 2>South Paolo for La La Paloosa, Brazil. This morning, my

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<v Speaker 2>daughter woke up incredibly excited. She even made a sign

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<v Speaker 2>because because she was so happy to see an artist

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<v Speaker 2>she really admires or used to admire, Chapel Roone. By coincidence,

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<v Speaker 2>they're staying at the same hotel as this artist. During breakfast,

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<v Speaker 2>the artist walked past their table. My daughter, like any child,

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<v Speaker 2>recognized her, got excited and just wanted to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>it was really her. And the worst part is she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even approach her. She simply walked past the singer's table,

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<v Speaker 2>looked to confirm it was her, smiled, and went back

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<v Speaker 2>to sit with her mom. She didn't say anything, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>ask for anything. What happened next was completely disproportionate. A

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<v Speaker 2>large security guard came over to their table while they

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<v Speaker 2>were still having breakfast and began speaking in an extremely

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive manner to both my wife and my daughter, saying

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<v Speaker 2>that she shouldn't allow my daughter to disrespect or harass

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<v Speaker 2>other people. Honestly, I don't know at what point simply

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<v Speaker 2>walking past a table and looking to see if someone

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<v Speaker 2>is there can be considered harassment. He even said he

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<v Speaker 2>would file a complaint against them with the hotel while

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<v Speaker 2>my eleven year old daughter was sitting there. In years,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter was extremely shaken and cried a lot. I've

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<v Speaker 2>lived with football, public exposure and well known people for

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<v Speaker 2>many years, and I understand very well what respect and

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<v Speaker 2>boundaries are. What happened there was not that it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a child admiring someone. It's sad to see this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of treatment coming from those who should understand the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of fans. At the end of the day, they

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<v Speaker 2>are the ones who build all of this. I sincerely

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<v Speaker 2>hope this serves as a moment of reflection.

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<v Speaker 3>No one should have.

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<v Speaker 2>To go through this, especially not a child, chapel erone.

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<v Speaker 2>Without your fans, you would be nothing and to the fans,

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<v Speaker 2>she does not deserve your.

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<v Speaker 1>Affection'strong And we're going to get into all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it got it started, so before we were just

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<v Speaker 1>going to give you the direct response chaperone does eventually

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<v Speaker 1>was it days later?

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<v Speaker 2>I was, I believe at least two days later, because

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<v Speaker 2>this was what Friday, it was last night, it was Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>The chapel erone finally decided I did to go onto

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and put up something on her story and so by.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point things had really really gotten going and

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<v Speaker 1>she needed to.

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<v Speaker 4>Respond in some way.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Her response was about a minute, minute and a half video. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was very casual.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked like she might have been casuals one way to

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<v Speaker 2>put it in her bed in a hotel room.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, she was just speaking to camp all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this was her authentic self, but it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like it could have been off the cup or what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But she.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly defended herself in that saying, I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>this guy was, but he wasn't acting on my.

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<v Speaker 4>Behalf the security.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she basically said, wasn't me, wasn't my team? Feel

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<v Speaker 2>sorry for this kid, but I had nothing to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do with it. That was the bones of what she said, basically.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why should that not be the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the story. And it's the problem rogues that that's not

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<v Speaker 4>the end story. Excuse me, and you tell my audio.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so sorry, y'all. That was on me.

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<v Speaker 1>Total me with the audio folks, total me to my

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<v Speaker 1>audio guy, Jonathan, don't even try to fix that. When

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<v Speaker 1>that was on me, I screw that up. I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>So back here with you now, Robes. The issue is

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<v Speaker 1>the issue. Now that we have the apology from her,

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<v Speaker 1>will that be the end of it? And the reason

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be is because of the reputation she has.

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<v Speaker 2>The reputation she has, and then basically she puts out

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<v Speaker 2>this response and the mom of the daughter wasn't having it,

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<v Speaker 2>so she called her out on She basically said, that's bs,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way that guy wasn't with you. So the

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth, it's fascinating to see the access and

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<v Speaker 2>the reach people have when they go put this on

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<v Speaker 2>an Instagram story on their social media. It gets picked

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<v Speaker 2>up by all the other media outlets and suddenly now

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<v Speaker 2>you've got stores having to respond to fans. And her

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<v Speaker 2>response well, it didn't land well with the girl's mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Okay, with the girl's mom, that's understandable

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<v Speaker 1>if her child went through it. How it landed for you,

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<v Speaker 1>how it landed for me, how it landed for chaperone's

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<v Speaker 1>fans in the wider public, I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying what she's saying. Should she not take her

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<v Speaker 1>at her word? She said, I did not direct anybody

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<v Speaker 1>to go over and do anything. I'd had no woman

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<v Speaker 1>or no girl. She said, I didn't even have a

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<v Speaker 1>reason to send someone because nobody actually bothered me.

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<v Speaker 4>Take her at.

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<v Speaker 1>Her word, I mean, can more be done? She even said,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody deserves to be treated like that.

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<v Speaker 2>She she was yes the last when she said she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not hate people who are fans of my music.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not hate children.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that she actually had to say that out

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<v Speaker 2>loud is fairly fascinating. She said, And she did apologize

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<v Speaker 2>as you pointed out to the mother and child that

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<v Speaker 2>someone was assuming something. And she said, if you felt uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes me really sad. You did not deserve that.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was that famous line if you felt uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly the little girl was crying. Clearly, Papa Beart and

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<v Speaker 2>Mama Bear came out defending their little girl. So just

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<v Speaker 2>to even maybe say if you felt uncomfortable, that might

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<v Speaker 2>strike a nerve, maybe that it's so interesting the way

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<v Speaker 2>we choose our words can either make things better or

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<v Speaker 2>make things worse, And sometimes something as simple as that

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<v Speaker 2>can totally reinflame a situation.

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<v Speaker 1>She can feel like she genuinely did nothing wrong, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite possible that she did nothing wrong, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still okay to be a little more sympathetic correct then

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<v Speaker 1>it can come off.

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<v Speaker 4>She has had.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this was twenty twenty four, but she has had.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been known for having some kind of a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>roles for not being so kind to her fans, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact I didn't even know the full story, but to

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<v Speaker 1>hear her have to even utter the words I don't

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<v Speaker 1>hate children. Where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, see, you wondered if this planned or if this

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<v Speaker 3>was off the cuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's off the cuff because I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>any PR strategist would tell you that was a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you're if you feel that backed into a corner,

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to utter that statement you've got bigger problems.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, now, as you pointed out, people are

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<v Speaker 2>digging up other instances and other videos. You just showed

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<v Speaker 2>me one where you can see she kind of side

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<v Speaker 2>eyes her security guard because she sees someone pulling out

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<v Speaker 2>a camera taking a video of her walking through an airport,

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<v Speaker 2>and you see her just quickly point to her security guard,

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<v Speaker 2>who then quickly goes straight to the person who's filming

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<v Speaker 2>her in an airport, which, by the way, hey, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the world of celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're walking through an airport, Yeah, are a fair game.

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<v Speaker 1>But everybody's everybody's digging through all those types of videos now.

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<v Speaker 1>But she herself twenty twenty four put out a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>lengthy post, almost a letter to the fans, where she

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about how she felt violated and she felt

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<v Speaker 1>unsafe even a lot of times when fans tried to

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<v Speaker 1>she called them violation. You're touching me. I'm a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not. These are violations of my personal space. But

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<v Speaker 1>this line robe she says, when I'm on stage, when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm performing, when I'm at a work event, when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing press, i'm at work, any other circumstance, I am

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<v Speaker 1>not in work mode, I am clocked out. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>agree with the notion that I owe you mutual exchange

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<v Speaker 1>of energy, time or attention to people I do not know,

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<v Speaker 1>do not trust, or who creep me out just because

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<v Speaker 1>they're expressing admiration. What do you do with that as

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<v Speaker 1>a celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she's in the wrong business.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, isn't That's something?

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<v Speaker 1>I respect the art I can respect the artists, but

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<v Speaker 1>that line, I don't a mutual exchange of energy, time

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<v Speaker 1>and attention. You're right, you're probably right. But man, if

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl runs up to you excited and don't

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<v Speaker 1>throw that line in her face.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, babe, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can be right from a principal standpoint, sure, but in

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<v Speaker 2>an actual, real life since it feels wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I understand, I understand. We're not anyone who.

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<v Speaker 2>Is in the public eye shouldn't have to then be

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<v Speaker 2>just a piece of meat twisting in the wind, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone gets to say and do and say, come here,

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<v Speaker 2>do this, take a selfie with me. Look, most people

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<v Speaker 2>are respectful, some people aren't. And there's a distinguishment between

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<v Speaker 2>people who are genuinely excited to see you and pay

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<v Speaker 2>you a compliment versus people who are surreptitiously trying to

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<v Speaker 2>video you or catch you in a moment where look,

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<v Speaker 2>we all get it, Like now, anyone who is a

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<v Speaker 2>phone can video or catch anybody doing something, even nothing wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but it looks bad or there's a facial expression, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can take it and sell it to a tabloid

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<v Speaker 2>and make some crazy headlines. So I understand, we understand

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<v Speaker 2>why celebrities are. They don't necessarily trust that a fan

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<v Speaker 2>has the best intentions when they're taking their photo without asking,

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<v Speaker 2>when they're videoing them without asking.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is a very different situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've met a ton of celebrities who handle it differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the biggest stars in the world, we are

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<v Speaker 1>shocked at how much they go out of their way

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<v Speaker 1>for the little guy. And then some of the not

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<v Speaker 1>so big stars, we're shocked at how big of a

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<v Speaker 1>chirk they can be.

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<v Speaker 3>So true, so true, You never.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, You just don't know. But stay here when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, Robes and I will actually tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>both sides did that we think that they got right,

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<v Speaker 1>and what both sides probably got wrong in this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here, welcome back, everyone, as we discuss I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know is this the I Don't Hate children gate to

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<v Speaker 2>Chapel Rone gate.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just gone off the rails. Basically what started

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<v Speaker 3>out as maybe we.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know how aggressive this admonishment was from a security

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<v Speaker 2>guard to a little eleven year old girl who wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>just any eleven year old girl. She happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>the stepdaughter of a very famous Brazilian football player and

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, Jude Law's daughter, and her mother, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>also is a singer and former model. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a young girl who is almost certainly used to being

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to celebrities, people of a certain I guess fame,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yes, even she got excited when she saw

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<v Speaker 2>Chapel Row.

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<v Speaker 1>It also sounds like she knew how to behave so

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't bother her exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Because look, if you're the daughter of megastars, like we

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<v Speaker 2>just mentioned, you get it. You see your own parents

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<v Speaker 2>get accosted, your own parents get pictures taken of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and people coming up and wanting a selfie or just

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<v Speaker 2>seeing whatever they want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Because people get excited when they see.

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<v Speaker 2>Football stars in Brazil, they get excited when they see

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<v Speaker 2>jew lawsuit. That's something to actually note, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was part of the issue. Her dad and her

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<v Speaker 2>mom took on this because it was like, didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything wrong. She wasn't taking a picture a chapel roone.

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<v Speaker 2>She just wanted to make sure it was her and

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<v Speaker 2>smiled because she was about to go to the concert

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<v Speaker 2>that night. So something that shouldn't have actually become what

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<v Speaker 2>it's become now is an interesting conversation, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of there's a lot of pr going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You said an interesting conversation. What is this an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>conversation or take on right now?

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<v Speaker 2>What are we Well, we've had this conversation even I've

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<v Speaker 2>had it with my own girls, about how we treat

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<v Speaker 2>one another. This is kind of about I think there

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<v Speaker 2>were things that you can do to treat people who

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<v Speaker 2>you might respect and admire and not assume that they're

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<v Speaker 2>there for you to stop and talk and stop what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing or take a picture just because you want it, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be some allowance for folks to not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily be intrusive just because you see somebody you like

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<v Speaker 2>or see somebody who is in the spotlight. And conversely,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there just needs to be an acknowledgment when

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<v Speaker 2>you're that star when you're that celebrity that mostly you've

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<v Speaker 2>just got people who are excited to see you and

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<v Speaker 2>want to want to just say they saw you. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really it's an opportunity for a sweet exchange.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't have to be long. But there is a

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<v Speaker 3>balance and there are boundaries, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Three people in this thing, and we always it's so

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<v Speaker 1>easy black or white, right, left, right, up or downright.

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<v Speaker 4>Right or wrong, blue or red. You know the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't that simple, and it's so easy to might

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<v Speaker 1>want to take sides, either take chapelons or take the

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<v Speaker 1>parents on the other side. But I want to take

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<v Speaker 1>three people here ropes and you tell me what they

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<v Speaker 1>did right, what they did wrong, and I'll go along

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Chaperone, the mom and the football of the stepdad.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with him putting out the statement in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. What did you make of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's what started this whole mess.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that necessary?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it was necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was defending his daughter and he was

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<v Speaker 2>upset at Chapel roone. But if you really wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>see change, instead of going after her publicly and knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that she was going to get a ton of headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>He knew exactly what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a superstar, he's a like I said, five million

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<v Speaker 2>followers on Instagram. He knew that this was going to

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<v Speaker 2>put an incredible amount of pressure on her and a

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<v Speaker 2>huge spotlight on her, and he wanted to do harm.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to punish her for how he made she

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<v Speaker 2>made his daughter feel.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that okay, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That just feels And when it's a parent dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>a child, and was a dad dealing with a daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>I can I'm sure that that is very high.

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<v Speaker 4>But that was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Long, well thought out, direct and public a very high

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<v Speaker 1>profile attack on chapelon over an incident that maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't understand even.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time. He wasn't there, So he wasn't even there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure they conveyed the story right or OpEd

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<v Speaker 1>him the best they could remember and accurately. But Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>that is to it to go at and attack her

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<v Speaker 1>that way seemed it seemed a bit much.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was a dad who was defending his

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<v Speaker 2>daughter and he let his emotions probably get the best

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<v Speaker 2>of him. And maybe he would still say, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so glad I did what I did, because now she

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<v Speaker 2>got called out for who she really is.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, we don't know where he stands now, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That seemed to be more like there was a mission

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<v Speaker 1>to that was more than a motion. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>mission behind what he was doing to go after her,

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<v Speaker 1>to bring her down in some way.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how it felt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>He used his and I hate to use the word use,

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<v Speaker 2>but he did. He did use his power and his

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<v Speaker 2>fame and his position to call her out.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, it's a dad, that's how he's feeling. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>he's feeling. He can't take any issue with that. The mom,

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<v Speaker 1>that video was six plus minutes long. She came back

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<v Speaker 1>on after chapelone it posted her apology video and went

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<v Speaker 1>back after chapelone. Now what did you make of I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the mom through all this so far?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, hers was the longest video of them all,

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<v Speaker 2>and she really didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 3>She just basically said.

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<v Speaker 2>That chapel Rone's apology or what chapel Rone's explanation was

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<v Speaker 2>that it was it must have been a hotel security guard.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't anyone with her, you know, Look, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>that's just simply not true.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know all the details, but absolutely this security

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<v Speaker 2>guard was with Chapel Roone.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you can't basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Control the people who you employ or who represent you,

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<v Speaker 2>then you've got bigger issues. So she got back on

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<v Speaker 2>to call Chapelone a liar basically, and so yes, that

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<v Speaker 2>now got a whole new round of attention. My concern is,

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<v Speaker 2>and look, I understand that these parents might be coming

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<v Speaker 2>from a good place in defense of their daughter. But

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<v Speaker 2>now their daughter, who is famous in and of herself

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<v Speaker 2>just because of her last name, now she's in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of this. And I wonder about Ada law now

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<v Speaker 2>going to school now just now her name is in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of this. Now she's stuck. And maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mind, but I just don't see how that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing for an eleven year old.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't challenge anybody's parenting, man, I won't ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 1>ever question I hated for a little Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we might not know. Maybe she's a cool kid. It's

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<v Speaker 1>cool right about now.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe she loves the feeling of being defended.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and maybe and maybe everybody outside of the primary

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.440
<v Speaker 1>players are getting more worked up about this than they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't seem to be the case, but it to your

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, it's did we need to do this

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<v Speaker 1>in response? I mean the girl felt its attacked. If

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<v Speaker 1>they felt that child was attacked, I guess emotionally attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose at the time, where was the complaint that

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<v Speaker 1>could have been for.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it seemed like an a coordinated return assault

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.399
<v Speaker 1>and we don't know. Oh, actually who's responsible for the

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.880
<v Speaker 1>initial attack kind of a thing. It seemed premature maybe

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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm going for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? It just feels like now these days,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't investigate, We don't give people an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>respond or at least to fully understand a situation where

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 2>you react emotionally. We put it out there for everybody

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 2>to see. We want people on our side. We have

0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.200
<v Speaker 2>an US versus them mentality, and that is exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I guarantee you this.

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<v Speaker 2>Soccer star from Brazil has people, and his people could

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten in touch with Chapel Roone's people and they

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<v Speaker 2>could have let them know what happened and say this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't right. I need you to understand that how unfair

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 2>this was and handle it privately and maybe chapel roone

0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.520
<v Speaker 2>would have been able to learn something without being publicly

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 2>humiliated at the same time, and maybe real change could

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<v Speaker 2>have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And now she has to defend herself. She's in that position.

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<v Speaker 1>You have one thing you mentioned just said. It clicks again.

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<v Speaker 1>It always happens right in the middle of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have to do that. He could have sent

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<v Speaker 1>There was a way to still put out a pub

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<v Speaker 1>message without I mean the end of that thing. He said,

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:07.000
<v Speaker 1>your fans, she doesn't deserve your affections in all caps. Yeah,

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that was he was angry, but he wasn't trying to

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<v Speaker 1>understand before even understanding if the anger was warranted.

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<v Speaker 2>That is where we are now, and in this we

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.640
<v Speaker 2>have a way of immediately calling people out for the

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<v Speaker 2>world to see.

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<v Speaker 3>And some people have, yes, millions of followers.

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<v Speaker 2>So the power of that, you know, I think on

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<v Speaker 2>a school yard or back in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>You just tell other people. Can you believe this happen?

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<v Speaker 2>You're getting people on your side now click boom, the

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.240
<v Speaker 2>whole world sees.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are real life consequences.

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<v Speaker 4>This is crazy, This is for real.

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<v Speaker 2>The mayor of Rio Rio de Janeiro of Brazil Eduardo

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<v Speaker 2>Cavaliere said that he will not allow chapel Roan to

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<v Speaker 2>perform now Toto Mundo no rio shows.

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<v Speaker 4>That's some big international day festival, a thing they y.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, as long as I'm in charge of our city,

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<v Speaker 2>this young lady referring to chapel Rone will never perform

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.359
<v Speaker 2>at Total Mundo no Rio. I doubt that Shakira would

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<v Speaker 2>do that exclamation point. By the way, Georgino, your little

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<v Speaker 2>one is already the guest of honor from the organization

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<v Speaker 2>in may Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone wants to take sides.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody's gonna be something's gonna come good out of this

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<v Speaker 1>and takes side pros I'm on everybody's side. It makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents emotional, that makes sense. Oh my goodness, gracious, can

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<v Speaker 1>you either if Siza did that to Sabine, we have

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of problems.

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<v Speaker 3>You I beg to differ. You would not go onto

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<v Speaker 3>your story. You would not would you would not?

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<v Speaker 2>But certainly this is now what everyone's talking about. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if chapel Rone just lets this die out

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<v Speaker 2>at this point and hope that it goes away, but certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>as people start dredging up old video of her or

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<v Speaker 2>any other instance where she didn't treat a fan well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is most likely going to continue to follow her.

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<v Speaker 2>We will of course keep you updated on any new developments,

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<v Speaker 2>but we always appreciate you listening to us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 3>soon