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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, March twenty third, and we

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Speaker 1: too are trying to get caught up on what exactly

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Speaker 1: is going on with Chapel Ron because we just saw

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Speaker 1: her post an apology video, and in that video she

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Speaker 1: uttered these words, I don't hate children, and with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robe. The

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Speaker 1: headlines have been everywhere for several days. We finally decided

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Speaker 2: It just kept snowballing because we first get a post

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Speaker 2: from a Brazilian soccer star alleging something happened to his

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Speaker 2: eleven year old daughter. But then chapel Arne jumps in,

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Speaker 2: and then the mom of the eleven year old jumps in,

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Speaker 2: and now it's.

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Speaker 3: A whole big thing that everyone's talking about.

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Speaker 2: And everyone has an opinion about, so we'll probably all

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Speaker 2: just see our opinion.

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Speaker 1: Calmed down. Everybody just calmed down here. But chapel roone,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this. We'll get into it in a second.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know she had a bit of a reputation

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Speaker 1: for having, i don't know, not being so kind to fans,

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Speaker 1: maybe not even in her behavior, but even in her words,

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Speaker 1: she said, I wasn't familiar with that. Were you that

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Speaker 1: she kind of had.

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Speaker 3: A rep for No, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: She Look, it is invasive being a celebrity, and I

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people are like, oh, poor you

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Speaker 2: making millions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: You need your fans to be the celebrity you are.

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Speaker 2: So it's a bit of a conundrum when you have

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Speaker 2: a celebrity who obviously needs and loves the support of

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Speaker 2: her fans to buy her music, listen to her music,

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Speaker 2: come to her concerts. Also, at the same time wants

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Speaker 2: a private life, doesn't want to be bothered when she's

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Speaker 2: having breakfast or maybe even walking down the street. And so, yes,

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Speaker 2: seems like she has a fairly low tolerance for intrusions.

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Speaker 3: And look, everybody's different.

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Speaker 4: I can respect, I can respect. That's okay.

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Speaker 1: So this incident in particular, chaperone is down in Brazil

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Speaker 1: at a hotel. In particular, this is sal Paolo is

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Speaker 1: Of course, she's performing. She's in what sounds like the

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Speaker 1: a little girl eleven years old walks past, just kind

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Speaker 1: the hotel staff, and that she's being disrespectful, on and

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Speaker 1: on and on. That's the journal idea of what happened.

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Speaker 1: Now the girl happens to be the daughter of Jude

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Speaker 2: Say your name for me, Catherine Harding, but she goes

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Speaker 2: by Kat Cavelli.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is who the child is.

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Speaker 1: And the mother of the child, the mother being the

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Speaker 1: ex of Jude Law, is married to this soccer star

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Speaker 4: And it's that stock soccer.

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Speaker 1: Star Robes, who is essentially the stepdad who put out

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Speaker 1: a long statement that got all of this started.

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Speaker 4: And please, what is his name again?

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Speaker 2: It's your Gigno Frello and he is a huge Brazilian

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Speaker 2: football or like we like to call them, soccer players,

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Speaker 2: He only goes by your Ginho. So look, this is

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Speaker 1: Rowe and I think we have to actually it's it's

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Speaker 1: a little long, but I think we have to read

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Speaker 1: the whole thing for you to get the gist. And

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Speaker 1: this is how he tells the story. And this guy

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Speaker 1: at all started yes, so.

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Speaker 2: He said, I went through a very upsetting situation with

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Speaker 2: my family earlier today. My wife Kat Cavelli, is in

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Speaker 2: South Paolo for La La Paloosa, Brazil. This morning, my

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Speaker 2: because because she was so happy to see an artist

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Speaker 2: she really admires or used to admire, Chapel Roone. By coincidence,

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Speaker 2: were still having breakfast and began speaking in an extremely

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Speaker 2: other people. Honestly, I don't know at what point simply

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Speaker 2: walking past a table and looking to see if someone

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Speaker 2: my eleven year old daughter was sitting there. In years,

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Speaker 2: my daughter was extremely shaken and cried a lot. I've

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Speaker 2: lived with football, public exposure and well known people for

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Speaker 2: many years, and I understand very well what respect and

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Speaker 2: boundaries are. What happened there was not that it was

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Speaker 2: just a child admiring someone. It's sad to see this

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Speaker 2: kind of treatment coming from those who should understand the

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Speaker 2: are the ones who build all of this. I sincerely

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Speaker 2: hope this serves as a moment of reflection.

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Speaker 3: No one should have.

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Speaker 2: To go through this, especially not a child, chapel erone.

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Speaker 2: Without your fans, you would be nothing and to the fans,

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Speaker 2: she does not deserve your.

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Speaker 1: Affection'strong And we're going to get into all of that,

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Speaker 1: but it got it started, so before we were just

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Speaker 1: going to give you the direct response chaperone does eventually

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Speaker 1: was it days later?

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Speaker 2: I was, I believe at least two days later, because

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Speaker 2: The chapel erone finally decided I did to go onto

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Speaker 1: At this point things had really really gotten going and

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Speaker 4: Respond in some way.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Her response was about a minute, minute and a half video. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Looked like she might have been casuals one way to

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Speaker 4: Yes, she was just speaking to camp all right.

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Speaker 1: I guess this was her authentic self, but it seemed

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Speaker 2: But she.

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Speaker 1: Certainly defended herself in that saying, I don't know who

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Speaker 4: Behalf the security.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she basically said, wasn't me, wasn't my team? Feel

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Speaker 2: sorry for this kid, but I had nothing to.

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Speaker 3: Do with it. That was the bones of what she said, basically.

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Speaker 4: And that's why should that not be the end of

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Speaker 4: the story. And it's the problem rogues that that's not

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Speaker 4: the end story. Excuse me, and you tell my audio.

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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, y'all. That was on me.

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Speaker 1: Total me with the audio folks, total me to my

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Speaker 1: audio guy, Jonathan, don't even try to fix that. When

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Speaker 1: that was on me, I screw that up. I apologize.

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Speaker 1: So back here with you now, Robes. The issue is

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Speaker 1: the issue. Now that we have the apology from her,

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Speaker 1: will that be the end of it? And the reason

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Speaker 1: it won't be is because of the reputation she has.

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Speaker 2: The reputation she has, and then basically she puts out

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Speaker 2: this response and the mom of the daughter wasn't having it,

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Speaker 2: so she called her out on She basically said, that's bs,

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Speaker 2: there's no way that guy wasn't with you. So the

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Speaker 2: back and forth, it's fascinating to see the access and

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Speaker 2: response well, it didn't land well with the girl's mom.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, with the girl's mom, that's understandable

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Speaker 1: if her child went through it. How it landed for you,

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Speaker 1: how it landed for me, how it landed for chaperone's

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Speaker 1: fans in the wider public, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's saying what she's saying. Should she not take her

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Speaker 1: at her word? She said, I did not direct anybody

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Speaker 1: to go over and do anything. I'd had no woman

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Speaker 4: Take her at.

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Speaker 1: Her word, I mean, can more be done? She even said,

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Speaker 2: She she was yes the last when she said she said,

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Speaker 2: I do not hate people who are fans of my music.

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Speaker 3: I do not hate children.

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Speaker 2: The fact that she actually had to say that out

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Speaker 2: as you pointed out to the mother and child that

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Speaker 2: that makes me really sad. You did not deserve that.

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Speaker 2: But there was that famous line if you felt uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Clearly the little girl was crying. Clearly, Papa Beart and

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Speaker 1: She can feel like she genuinely did nothing wrong, and

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Speaker 1: it's quite possible that she did nothing wrong, but it's

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Speaker 1: still okay to be a little more sympathetic correct then

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Speaker 4: She has had.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this was twenty twenty four, but she has had.

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Speaker 1: She's been known for having some kind of a reputation

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Speaker 1: roles for not being so kind to her fans, the

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Speaker 1: fact I didn't even know the full story, but to

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Speaker 1: hate children. Where did that come from?

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Speaker 3: Well, see, you wondered if this planned or if this

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Speaker 2: I think it's off the cuff because I don't think

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Speaker 2: any PR strategist would tell you that was a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Like if you're if you feel that backed into a corner,

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Speaker 2: But of course, now, as you pointed out, people are

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Speaker 2: digging up other instances and other videos. You just showed

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Speaker 2: me one where you can see she kind of side

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Speaker 2: eyes her security guard because she sees someone pulling out

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Speaker 2: a camera taking a video of her walking through an airport,

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Speaker 2: and you see her just quickly point to her security guard,

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Speaker 2: who then quickly goes straight to the person who's filming

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Speaker 2: her in an airport, which, by the way, hey, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the world of celebrity.

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Speaker 3: When you're walking through an airport, Yeah, are a fair game.

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Speaker 1: But everybody's everybody's digging through all those types of videos now.

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Speaker 1: But she herself twenty twenty four put out a pretty

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Speaker 1: lengthy post, almost a letter to the fans, where she

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Speaker 1: was talking about how she felt violated and she felt

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Speaker 1: she called them violation. You're touching me. I'm a woman,

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Speaker 3: Look, I understand, I understand. We're not anyone who.

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Speaker 1: And we've met a ton of celebrities who handle it differently.

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Speaker 3: So true, so true, You never.

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Speaker 2: Stay here, welcome back, everyone, as we discuss I don't

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Speaker 3: This is just gone off the rails. Basically what started

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Speaker 2: Don't know how aggressive this admonishment was from a security

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Speaker 2: Because look, if you're the daughter of megastars, like we

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Speaker 1: You said an interesting conversation. What is this an interesting

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Speaker 2: What are we Well, we've had this conversation even I've

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be long. But there is a

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Speaker 1: Three people in this thing, and we always it's so

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Speaker 4: Right or wrong, blue or red. You know the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: This isn't that simple, and it's so easy to might

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what started this whole mess.

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Speaker 4: Was that necessary?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was necessary.

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Speaker 2: I think he was defending his daughter and he was

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Speaker 3: He knew exactly what he was doing.

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Speaker 2: He's a superstar, he's a like I said, five million

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Speaker 2: He wanted to punish her for how he made she

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Speaker 4: Is that okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That just feels And when it's a parent dealing with

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Speaker 4: But that was a.

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Speaker 1: Long, well thought out, direct and public a very high

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure they conveyed the story right or OpEd

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Speaker 1: That seemed to be more like there was a mission

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Speaker 4: I don't know how it felt about that.

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Speaker 2: He used his and I hate to use the word use,

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Speaker 1: Sure, it's a dad, that's how he's feeling. That's how

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Speaker 1: that video was six plus minutes long. She came back

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Speaker 2: I don't know all the details, but absolutely this security

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Speaker 3: And if you can't basically.

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Speaker 1: I won't challenge anybody's parenting, man, I won't ever, ever,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's just it seemed like an a coordinated return assault

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Speaker 2: You know what? It just feels like now these days,

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Speaker 3: Because I guarantee you this.

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Speaker 1: And now she has to defend herself. She's in that position.

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Speaker 1: You have one thing you mentioned just said. It clicks again.

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Speaker 1: It always happens right in the middle of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have to do that. He could have sent

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Speaker 1: message without I mean the end of that thing. He said,

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Speaker 1: your fans, she doesn't deserve your affections in all caps. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was he was angry, but he wasn't trying to

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Speaker 2: That is where we are now, and in this we

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Speaker 2: have a way of immediately calling people out for the

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Speaker 3: And some people have, yes, millions of followers.

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Speaker 2: So the power of that, you know, I think on

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Speaker 2: a school yard or back in the day.

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Speaker 3: You just tell other people. Can you believe this happen?

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Speaker 2: You're getting people on your side now click boom, the

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Speaker 2: whole world sees.

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Speaker 3: And there are real life consequences.

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Speaker 4: This is crazy, This is for real.

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Speaker 2: The mayor of Rio Rio de Janeiro of Brazil Eduardo

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Speaker 2: Cavaliere said that he will not allow chapel Roan to

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Speaker 2: perform now Toto Mundo no rio shows.

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Speaker 4: That's some big international day festival, a thing they y.

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Speaker 2: He said, as long as I'm in charge of our city,

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Speaker 2: this young lady referring to chapel Rone will never perform

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Speaker 2: at Total Mundo no Rio. I doubt that Shakira would

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Speaker 2: do that exclamation point. By the way, Georgino, your little

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Speaker 2: one is already the guest of honor from the organization

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Speaker 2: in may Okay.

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Speaker 3: Everyone wants to take sides.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna be something's gonna come good out of this

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Speaker 1: and takes side pros I'm on everybody's side. It makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Parents emotional, that makes sense. Oh my goodness, gracious, can

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Speaker 1: you either if Siza did that to Sabine, we have

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Speaker 1: all kinds of problems.

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Speaker 3: You I beg to differ. You would not go onto

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Speaker 3: your story. You would not would you would not?

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Speaker 2: But certainly this is now what everyone's talking about. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if chapel Rone just lets this die out

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Speaker 2: at this point and hope that it goes away, but certainly,

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Speaker 2: as people start dredging up old video of her or

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Speaker 2: any other instance where she didn't treat a fan well.

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Speaker 2: This is most likely going to continue to follow her.

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Speaker 2: We will of course keep you updated on any new developments,

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Speaker 2: but we always appreciate you listening to us.

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Speaker 3: I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: soon