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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 3: Break it On, Break it.

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Speaker 2: On, touchdown, Saving Holland slam to the ground by fooda

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Speaker 2: baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield,

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Speaker 2: high scarting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: True or false? Because both of you walked the streets

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Speaker 2: of Philadelphia, did you not, Darren Urban Danny Sirek here

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Speaker 2: on Cardinals Underground poly Podcasts. Were you not out on

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Speaker 2: Broad Street for a good stretched last weekend?

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Speaker 3: I was definitely out and about. Don't know if I

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Speaker 3: would say it would be a good stretch, but I

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Speaker 3: was out and about same.

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Speaker 2: Were you rocking any Cardinals gear when you're out hell

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Speaker 2: in the mean streets of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to be test taking your life in

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Speaker 3: your hands like that. In Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: I did have some Cardinals gear on when I was

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Speaker 2: walking around, and I did have a couple of passionate

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Speaker 2: Eagles fans. Tell me the good thing you're not wearing

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Speaker 2: a Cowboys jacket, or you might not make it back

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Speaker 2: to your hotel.

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Speaker 3: This was before the game. Yeah, imagine what they would

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Speaker 3: have said after the guy.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We didn't have to imagine because we witnessed

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Speaker 2: and heard what they were saying to their own team

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Speaker 2: when they left the game as losers in Week seventeen,

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Speaker 2: and it was something fierce. I mean, you think you

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Speaker 2: thought the reception for Jonathan Gannon was going to be

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Speaker 2: severe what the Eagles rained down on their own team

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Speaker 2: leaving the field. Forget the visitor's tunnel, the home team

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Speaker 2: tunnel needed extra security.

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Speaker 4: It was before the game ended. It was at a

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Speaker 4: point where the Eagles had to call time out because

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Speaker 4: the offense couldn't get a play call in fast enough.

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Speaker 4: When I was down on the field last couple of minutes,

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Speaker 4: and they were booing pretty loud at that point too.

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Speaker 4: It was. I'd asked defensive corner or Nick Rollis when

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Speaker 4: he talked to the meet, if he took any sort

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Speaker 4: of pride, just going back to the link where he

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Speaker 4: had coached with head coach Jonathan Gannon, you know, do

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Speaker 4: you take any pride that because of your performance the

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Speaker 4: Eagles fans are booing their own team? He said, no, no,

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Speaker 4: but I would take pride. I would stand there. I

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Speaker 4: didn't play a single snap, And I'm like, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: You want to know why he's not taking any pride because,

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Speaker 3: quite frankly, that's it's not like it's out of the

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Speaker 2: So show Hans. Who's a fan of headlines in journalism,

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Speaker 2: you know, newspaper headlines and so forth.

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Speaker 3: I'm a fan. I'm of headlines. Yeah, if you don't

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Speaker 3: have headlines, it's going to be tough to know.

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Speaker 4: What's a fan of the song headlines by Drake the Okay,

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Speaker 4: did you know when Darren Urban ran filled Alphia Freedom?

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Speaker 4: Oh ah, yes, I did know.

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Speaker 2: You know that song?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Because actually I made Darren turn around on the plane

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Speaker 4: right home and I said, I really like this Elton

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Speaker 3: She did compliment me for that.

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Speaker 2: I had to make sure it was a nice one

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Speaker 2: because three weeks ago, in the Big Red Rage going

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Speaker 2: into the Chicago game, I made reference to the Dennis

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Speaker 3: And see, that's not good.

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Speaker 2: Amari. Have you ever heard of dnnis screen, I've ever

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Speaker 2: heard of the rant, the pounder of the podium, any

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Speaker 3: I have spent my entire professional life in journalism and

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Speaker 3: don't really need to write well. I mean, headlines are

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Speaker 2: Thumbs up or thumbs down. Expert headline expert Darren rban

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Speaker 2: Here was in the Philadelphia Inquire the next morning, quote

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon guts the Eagles and out coaches the free

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Speaker 2: falling Nick Sirianni. That was the headline. I mean, pretty strong.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty factual. I don't know about the guts part.

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Speaker 3: There's no question Jonathan Gannon out coached the Eagles coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: That was the one thing that I got that. There

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Speaker 3: his coaching staff had a plan to somehow beat the Eagles,

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Speaker 3: a team that quite frankly, is better than them on

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Speaker 3: the way down to that on side kick call, like

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Speaker 3: they knew what the hell they were doing. And that

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Speaker 3: was a, in a lot of ways, a pristine coaching

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Speaker 4: That headline's got to be the nicest thing set or

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Speaker 3: Yes, good call, good call, Danny mean in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: In Philadelphia, Yes, because I tried to figure out a

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Speaker 2: because yes, it did seem like he had the competitive advantage,

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Speaker 2: and that was when Nick Sirianni implored the fans to

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Speaker 2: a bit of anxiety on the part of Sirianni because

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Speaker 2: all the first rounders and Pro bowlers, there is no comparison.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals ran out there basically a lineup you would field

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Speaker 2: and yet the Cardinals possessed the ball for nearly forty

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Speaker 2: on scored a touchdown on all four their second half possessions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the whole free falling Sirianni thing. There's some legitimacy to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, I think in some ways it was the

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Speaker 3: so you needed to do that takeaway. But I mean

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Speaker 3: that's the other thing that helped. Yeah, there's familiarity for

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Speaker 3: sure that that played into it. But I mean, you

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Speaker 3: the frecky Eagles defensive back, the return at ninety nine yards,

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Speaker 3: and he's like, we just lost the worst team in

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Speaker 3: the NFL. All that tells me is well, one, it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I thought it was impressive the way that

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Speaker 4: Arizona stuck in it. I mean, you have twenty one

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Speaker 4: returned for a ninety nine yard touchdown based off clear

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Speaker 4: Michael Wilson, and they were able to stay in it mentally,

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Speaker 4: didn't let themselves get down. We've talked about that before

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Speaker 4: in other situations where in the past didn't seem like

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Speaker 4: that was a team that could do that. Now I

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Speaker 4: have said before I don't did not think that this

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Speaker 4: in certain ways I still stand by that. When you

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Speaker 4: very clear when it comes to the effort and the

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Speaker 4: mentality and staying focused and lasered in, this team is

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Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right past Cardinals teams. Heck, most teams.

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Speaker 2: You're at the Eagles in a non playoff season and

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Speaker 2: you give up a ninety nine yard pick six not

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Speaker 2: only deflating but so critical on the scoreboard. How many

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Speaker 2: teams are able to overcome something like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're down twenty one to six, you give up

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Speaker 3: a ninety nine yard interception return and two touchdown catches

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Speaker 3: to the corpse of Julio Jones. I'm that can break

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're over two in the red zone. Right.

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Speaker 2: Get it's all deflating at the very least. But if

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Speaker 2: there's one thing that this team is now as we

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Speaker 2: enter the season finale, they're tough mentally and physically, and

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Speaker 2: that's not necessarily us. Sidney Brown said that afterwards we

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Speaker 2: got out physical, just like the Steelers. TJ. Watts said,

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Speaker 2: we got our rears kick And the similarity is that

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Speaker 2: you go into Pittsburgh, guys had a little extra juice

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Speaker 2: to win it for j James Connor and in this one,

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Speaker 2: win it for Jonathan Gannon. There's a little extra juice.

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Speaker 3: So you're trying to say this week they need to

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Speaker 3: win one for Tyreek Smith.

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Speaker 2: Trying to.

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Speaker 3: Joey Blunt. Joey Blunt, which, by the way, quick side story.

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Speaker 2: Beating the twelves is enough, Darren, that's just understood.

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Speaker 3: The quickside quick side story on Joey Blunt. He had

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Speaker 2: He kept the football, by the way.

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Speaker 3: I'm I know he did because I was talking to

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he goes. I could talk forever right now.

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Speaker 2: They should have got like a waste up shot of

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Speaker 2: him in the shower still holding the football. That would

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Speaker 2: have been like hilarious. That would have been good stuff.

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Speaker 2: But for this Cardinals team to be that physical, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's one How do you mask a lack

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Speaker 2: of talent? You go out there and you bludgeon the

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Speaker 2: other team and you out coach him, like for example.

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Speaker 2: This has made me the only real inside football example,

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Speaker 2: because how do you really assess whether another team got

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Speaker 2: unless you know. But the one piece of intel that

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Speaker 2: I do have the touchdown that made it twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: All the touchdown pass to Michael Wilson fourth and four

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Speaker 2: So guess what the old line and Kyler made an

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Speaker 2: because he's older, he's bigger, he's slower. Wow, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: That's a good nugget there, Paul. It's like you're a reporter.

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Speaker 2: It's going to take longer to get to Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: So when he broke free, that was by design. Kyler backpedal, backpedal,

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Speaker 2: If you can coach like that, that.

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Speaker 4: And the familiarity that defensive coordinator Nick Rolis and head

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Speaker 4: that not a lot of teams can do. Again, I

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Speaker 2: So I asked a little bit about that as well.

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Speaker 2: But the plan was and it's interesting because the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: Thing is too The brotherly shove has been so successful

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Speaker 3: risk that, Okay, if we try and do this, especially

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Speaker 3: So here's here was my thought. And I was obviously

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Speaker 3: I didn't know it was coming. In fact, Danny and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't see that live.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see it live. I didn't even know what happened.

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Speaker 2: But it was twenty eight all by the way, five

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Speaker 3: Right for the onside kick. Now there's a couple things here.

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Speaker 3: back to my old days. When I first started covering

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Speaker 2: Like, didn't he cut you off when you asked the question.

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Speaker 3: It worked because that was exactly what they wanted. They

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Speaker 3: there was a chance there Eagles were going to score

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Speaker 4: It was really good game management. And we know from

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Speaker 4: So to me, it's fitting and I don't have a

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Speaker 3: I do think it was a hell of a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's aggressive and then there's reckless. Yes, and

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Speaker 3: Oh sure.

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Speaker 2: First thing I thought of was, wow, Cardinals are the

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Speaker 2: So when I get yourself a chance at an on

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Speaker 3: And we are also talking about and this is where

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Speaker 3: You were feeling pretty confident that as long as Kyler

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Speaker 4: And it was impressive those last couple of plays by

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Speaker 3: That's what I kept thinking of, was like, Wow, I

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Speaker 2: That well, So all right, what about Kyler? Did he

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Speaker 4: To me, what stands out are the characteristics of leadership

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Speaker 4: Gannon says in the headset to the coaches, Oh, yeah,

437
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Speaker 4: we're winning this. That is a true instinct. That is

438
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Speaker 4: what you want out of a quarterback. Is that confidence

439
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Speaker 4: and that ability of whether it's him and his legs

440
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 4: or his arm and his receivers. I just thought the

441
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 4: way that he commanded the offense. I thought there were

442
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Speaker 4: some good moments where not only under center, but when

443
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,919
Speaker 4: Kyler was scrambling, he was scrambling forward through the pocket.

444
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 4: It wasn't just what we've seen in the past of

445
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Speaker 4: him running backwards losing a couple of yards and you're

446
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Speaker 4: hoping he doesn't take a scat a sack and have

447
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 4: a ten to fifteen twenty yard difference of those yards.

448
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Speaker 4: I just feel like we're seeing a lot of those

449
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Speaker 4: leadership aspects that Kyler has taken a lot of flak

450
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Speaker 4: for in the past, and you're seeing that and how

451
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Speaker 4: he is trusting his receivers, he is staying focus, he's

452
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Speaker 4: leading this team to come back victories, and he's doing

453
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Speaker 4: it in a way that you would want from your

454
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Speaker 4: franchise quarterback.

455
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Speaker 3: I'd asked Kyler about Gannon saying him, and he goes, oh,

456
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: he came to tell me to let's go win this.

457
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 3: He goes, he didn't need to tell me that. And

458
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Speaker 3: my favorite part was as he's talking about this and

459
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Speaker 3: he goes at that point, that's just the killer instinct

460
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Speaker 3: you have to have in this sport, not only sport

461
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Speaker 3: but life for me, and I'm thinking, okay, well.

462
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Speaker 2: You know it's like the old Ricky Bobby right, he

463
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Speaker 2: ain't first your last.

464
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Speaker 3: So, speaking of killer instinct, Kyler kicked Danny's button some

465
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Speaker 3: word game on the plane.

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Speaker 4: Okayo, whoa, Okay, it's not entirely true.

467
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Speaker 3: Why what's the story then? So he had the killer

468
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Speaker 3: in stane.

469
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Speaker 4: I beat him in another game so real quick. It

470
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Speaker 4: was the longest flight. It was probably long flight back

471
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Speaker 4: hours closer are like five, though it was a long

472
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Speaker 4: flight either way. I sit next to our team photographer

473
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Speaker 4: Kaitlyn Epps on the plane.

474
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Speaker 2: And I said, when you sit next to Wolf, it's

475
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Speaker 2: an eight hour flight.

476
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Speaker 4: And I kept looking over a Kaitlyn. I was like,

477
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Speaker 4: I'm getting bored, I'm getting antsy, and she's like, I

478
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Speaker 4: need to finish my episode. So finally she finished whatever

479
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 4: episode she was watching.

480
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Speaker 2: Well, if I don't care about the fourteenth century.

481
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, I said, we need to play games. We

482
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Speaker 4: were playing game Pigeon, which are the games, sorry, Paul.

483
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Speaker 4: When you have an iPhone, there are games that come

484
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Speaker 4: on your phone and you can play each other, and

485
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 4: there's you know, pool, battleships, word game, all kinds of stuff.

486
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Speaker 4: So Kaitlin and I are actually playing cup pong next

487
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Speaker 4: to each other, and Kyler with a long fly. He

488
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Speaker 4: was walking down the aisles a couple of times, I'm sure,

489
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Speaker 4: just stretching his legs, getting some snacks Crosby Jersey on Yes,

490
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Speaker 4: and Caitlyn I sit near the back of the plane

491
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Speaker 4: by the snacks. So he turns around after making his

492
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Speaker 4: lap and he's looking over Caitlyn's shoulder at her playing.

493
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Speaker 4: He goes, are you playing? She goes, Danny, He goes,

494
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Speaker 4: I want to play. And I was like, well, I'm

495
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: actually pretty good at the word games, and he goes,

496
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Speaker 4: I'm really good at those word games. I actually played

497
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Speaker 4: James Connor when we're on flights too, and I was like, okay.

498
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Speaker 4: So we played a game called word Hunt where it

499
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Speaker 4: gives you a board and there's letters scrim it all

500
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Speaker 4: over and you have to create words out of those letters,

501
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Speaker 4: but the letters don't move like the little tile pieces,

502
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Speaker 4: so it's a plane board. You just have to find

503
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Speaker 4: words through that first game, really bad board. He beat me,

504
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: but he's like, that doesn't really really good. There's not

505
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: a lot of letters in good spots to make a word,

506
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Speaker 4: so he's like, let's do them around. So I'm doing

507
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 4: this second round and I am cruising. I end up

508
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Speaker 4: having seventy words that I find in this board. I've

509
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Speaker 4: got like twenty two thousand points something and there's no way.

510
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 4: And Caitlyn tells me, she's like, Danny, I was looking

511
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Speaker 4: like his fingers were moving. So we submit the score

512
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Speaker 4: and Kyler beats me by one hundred points, which is

513
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Speaker 4: equivalent to like one three letter word. That's that's the

514
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Speaker 4: point difference. And I was like, oh my gosh, and

515
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: he was like, you know, that was really close. I'm

516
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: going to give that one to you. Then we played

517
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: another word game called Anagrams, where you have to unscramble

518
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: the word the letters to make words, and I beat

519
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: him there, so then he walked away, So we're pretty

520
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: much one in one, okay, But yes, apparently Kyler and

521
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Speaker 4: James like to play those game pigeon games on the

522
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Speaker 4: flight home and are pretty good at them. So learned that.

523
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Speaker 2: And Kyler has quite a background in chess as well.

524
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Speaker 2: So any sort of board.

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Speaker 4: Game apparently pretty smart. Yeah, I mean, you know that's

526
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 4: pretty smart, pretty competitive.

527
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Speaker 2: Whether it's a gridiron or a board game or whatever. Okay,

528
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 2: all right, did fits ever get him in chess? By

529
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Speaker 2: the way, Kyler? Because those two had those two squared

530
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Speaker 2: off a few times in chess. So all right, So

531
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Speaker 2: Danny has the killer instinct too. Apparently that's good. As

532
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Speaker 2: for Kyler's performance and what that tells you about him

533
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Speaker 2: as the Cardinals quarterback going forward, I can't help but

534
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: think that, you know what, he looked really fluid and

535
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: really natural under the center? Did he not? Under center?

536
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: He looked really good? And from the pocket? And the

537
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: reason I bring up from the pocket? Before the game,

538
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: what was the word on the street. Oh, every defense

539
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: now is doing three things to Kyler. They're rushing him

540
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 2: so he stays in the pocket. They're throwing zone coverage

541
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: at him, making him really so it's not as easy

542
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: to read as man. Right, that's pretty easy. Okay, is

543
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: your receiver beating the man coverage? And then number three,

544
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: a lot of post snap stuff disguising coverages, and the

545
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: word was Eagles do a really good job disguising coverages.

546
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: But the way Kyler throttled him in the second half

547
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen and had that passer rat and you're

548
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: one seventeen and three touchdown passes, I just wonder, I'd

549
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: love to know, was that the best he's seen the

550
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: field in a long time? And just how fluid is

551
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: he in this offense? Because it still looks like he's

552
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: changing the play quite a bit. It does, so okay, interesting, right,

553
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: So between Petscene's play calling, which Kyler credited, and you

554
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: got a first time offensive coordinator who maybe now you're

555
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: getting into January, okay, is into the swing of things,

556
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: knows his personnel, knows his scheme. It was the Pittsburgh

557
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: game where Jonathan Gannet said, you know, I had a

558
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: talk with Drew Petsen and don't be afraid to repeat plays.

559
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: I'd love to know how many of those run plays

560
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: that are hitting to the second level is basically the

561
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: same play the old BA days. Hey, twenty two to

562
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: twenty three, double, let's go. We'll run at twenty times

563
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: a game until they stop it. I'd love to know

564
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: a lot of these answers, but whatever it is, it's working.

565
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Speaker 3: It was clearly Kyler's best game of the year, his

566
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: best game in a long time. You know, again, the

567
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: Eagles seem a little bit off. I don't know if

568
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Speaker 3: this is the same Eagles team that was playing earlier

569
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Speaker 3: in the season defensively, but that doesn't matter because you're looking,

570
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Speaker 3: You're judging what your quarterback is doing and how your

571
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Speaker 3: offense is operating. I'm curious to see how this translates

572
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Speaker 3: to the final game of the year, and if they

573
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Speaker 3: can they can finish it off with I mean, I

574
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Speaker 3: don't know if they're going to, but I mean, the

575
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: Seahawks just gave up two hundred plus yards rushing to

576
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Speaker 3: the Steelers, so I'm pretty sure I know what the

577
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: first plan is for the Cardinals offense.

578
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Speaker 2: Again, this is going to be six games in a

579
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: row the Seahawks defense is given up at least one

580
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five yards rushing. So do you think

581
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: the Cardinals are going to pick up where they left

582
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: off in Philly? Do you think they're going to pick

583
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: up where the Steelers left off in Jack Stopping the

584
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: Seahawks absolutely.

585
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 4: James Connor twenty six carries one hundred and twenty eight

586
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 4: rushing yards. He was the first one hundred yard rusher

587
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 4: the Eagles defense had allowed in twenty four games. I

588
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 4: like what we are seeing in the one two punch

589
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 4: with Connor and with Michael Carter, who is truly more

590
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 4: slippery than a stick of butter. The way he is

591
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: able to juke players so quickly and cut on a dime,

592
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 4: and he is fast, he is running through tackles. I

593
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: feel like that is a really nice balance. It's it

594
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: feels when you're watching it, it feels like an elevated

595
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: version of when it was Connor and Chase Edmonds. Of

596
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: the different types of running backs and allowing Connor to

597
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: have a break or change up the pace a little bit.

598
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 4: I feel like the more we get a chance to

599
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: see Carter out there, it feels like a really nice

600
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: compliment to what Connor does.

601
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Speaker 3: I one agree with that. I also feel like.

602
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: This is to me.

603
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: I don't see how James Connor could have been playing

604
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 3: better football than he is this season and right now

605
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: in his whole career. And I don't think there's any

606
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: question that how the Cardinals run their run game and

607
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 3: their offense right now works with James Connor better than

608
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: what Cliff Kingsbury was trying to do. But he just

609
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: looks fantastic. I mean, he needs what one hundred and

610
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 3: ten yards rushing against the Seahawks to get a thousand,

611
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: and he missed four games and there's been like what

612
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: three other games where we came out of going why

613
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: did James Connor only have like six carries? Like that

614
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: would be one of the most amazing thousand yard seasons

615
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: in a long time.

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Speaker 2: And dare I remind everyone, including myself, the last time

617
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: we saw James Conner play ball like this in a

618
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Cardinals uniform was the first half of twenty twenty one,

619
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Speaker 2: his Pro Bowl season, where he was also averaging five

620
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: yards to carry. He's number seven right now in the

621
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Speaker 2: NFL and yards per carry Cardinals as a team, or

622
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: number two in the NFL in yards per carry.

623
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Speaker 4: But he missed what four five games or four half

624
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: four and a half games, So two things.

625
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: Back in twenty twenty one, when he's running it like

626
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: he's running it now, the Cardinals were seven and oh

627
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: ten and two and then got away from the run game.

628
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: Now he's one hundred and ten yards away from his

629
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 2: first thousand yard season. So we all know how much

630
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: that team respects James Connor. How they battled for him

631
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. I'm predicting they battle for his thousand yard

632
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: season against the Seahawks, who are struggling something fierce with

633
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: their run defense. So if you're looking for a reason

634
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: to care and a reason to really bring it in

635
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: Week eighteen for the Arizona Cardinals, James Connor, the way

636
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: he stalks the sidelines in mean mugs. Everyone just feeds

637
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: off that guy and they ball for him.

638
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: I think he's trying to single handedly change Darren's perspective

639
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: on long term running back contracts.

640
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: How's he doing, Darren, Because he's going into a contract

641
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: year next year, right.

642
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: He's under contract, guy, he's under contract.

643
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: For Michael Carter's under contract.

644
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: So yes, they're both under contract. And and and again

645
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: this is there were people that were wondering if the

646
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: Cardinals overpaid for James Connor last year when they gave

647
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: him the extension and he didn't. If you were recall,

648
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: I think was it last year when all the running

649
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: back contract stuff came out. No, it was the beginning

650
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: of this year, the beginning of this year with Barkley,

651
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: and at one point I remember James Connor being asked about.

652
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Speaker 2: It, and he was on the zoom call when they

653
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: all the running backs got together, wasn't he?

654
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: But I mean I remember his answer being very diplomatic,

655
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: which was essentially, hey, I want to see these guys

656
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: get their money. But bro, let's be realistic here, and

657
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: we're running backs.

658
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: And look what people don't realize unless you're around the team.

659
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: You just don't what Buddha Baker is the Cardinals defense,

660
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: being the heartbeat impulse of that defense. James Connor is

661
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: every the off. It's just not a plug and play

662
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: put in another running back. It isn't They're not the

663
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: same person, They're just the way the sideline reacts effect.

664
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of a name for this. So

665
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Wolf has his spankometer. Okay, like the biggest.

666
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa too much information.

667
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: The spank ometer is the level of physicality on a

668
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: single play.

669
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: I don't want hr getting involved here.

670
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: I want something like the reactometer, the reaction ometer, like

671
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: something like you know, like the reaction you get on

672
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: the sideline. But I haven't quite.

673
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: Player does something on the field and then how the

674
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: sideline reacts to it.

675
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: Because the power pole from the Philly win was number

676
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: one the game when he touchdown, plunge just because you

677
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: won the game, and everyone went bananas. Number two the

678
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: James Connor one hand to catch. People just went nuts,

679
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: jumped off the bench. Oh my goodness, you know they're

680
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: watching the big screen the whole thing. And then number

681
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: three was what Michael Carter did to that poor defender

682
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: in space where in Philly terms, he went Alan Iverson

683
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: and just broke his ankles the crossover.

684
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: That was that dude when he fell was trying so

685
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: hard to trip Michael Carter and he couldn't get his

686
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: legs out there.

687
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: So right there, that was in fact Michael Carter. Like

688
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: you know, Kyler was wearing the Sidney Crosby jersey. Michael

689
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: Carter should have left in an Allen Iverson jersey. That's

690
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: really what he should have done based on breaking his ankles.

691
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: The moment Kyler arrived at the link in a Sidney

692
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: Crosby Pittsburgh Penguins jersey, two blocks away from whether Philadelphia

693
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: Flyers play, we should have known. We should have known

694
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 4: Kyler was going to go off. We should have known

695
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: the performance he was gonna have. We should have known

696
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: the Cardinals we're gonna win, win the game, because that

697
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: is a baller move.

698
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: It's a baller move if you win. It's a baller

699
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: move if you win.

700
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Darren, I'm just saying, go to flate me right now.

701
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: By the way, I wrote down the comments that Michael

702
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Wilson made, I believe exclusively to you, Darren Rman at

703
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: the end of last week about how you know the

704
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: season the way it started and then it took a

705
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: one to eighty. I don't know if that was a

706
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: one on one anywhere else. Yes, I bring that up

707
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: because you know, look, Kyler was able to figure out

708
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: the receivers fourteen catches for one forty three in a touchdown,

709
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: whereas in the previous three games they had ten catches

710
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: for nominal yards on thirty three targets total total in

711
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: those three games total. So Kyler big part of this

712
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: game was Kyler hitting eight different receivers and the receiver

713
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: room was actually productive in the past game. But it

714
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: was interesting to me that Michael Wilson after the game

715
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: said something that Rondell Moore told the media at his

716
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: locker about a week and a half ago, and that

717
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: was watch the film and evaluate for yourself, meaning we're

718
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: winning one on ones. So wherever the lack of connections

719
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: stemmed from, the Cardinals were able to correct that at

720
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: the same time, based on what he told you, Darren

721
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: Urban where Michael Wilson, Let's just say that game was

722
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: long overdue when he said quote, I felt like the

723
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: season has taken a one eight for me. When it started,

724
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: it was dang near perfect for me, said Michael Wilson.

725
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: Every throw was a completion, a first down, or an explosive. Now,

726
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: for some reason, Kyler and I can't complete a pass together.

727
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: Some is my fault, some of is lack of time together.

728
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: That was Michael Wilson before the game. Yes, so it's

729
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: intriguing if you do give Kyler the offseason you didn't

730
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: have last year, both in the offense and with the receivers. Okay,

731
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: where is this trending by the start of next season?

732
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: I mean I was asking Drew pettsing about that this

733
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: week in his press conference. What would it mean to

734
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: have an entire offseason of real work of Kyler truly

735
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 3: on the field. I mean Mike when I was talking

736
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: to Michael Wilson, I mean again, as a rookie, he

737
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: didn't practice with Kyler Murray at all until Kyler Murray

738
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: got back on the field, so they've had very limited

739
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: time together. And you're having Kyler learning this offense and

740
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson is still trying to get his bearings as

741
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: an NFL receiver. I mean, that's probably not gonna result

742
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: in a lot of great stuff, and so it doesn't

743
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: surprise me that it took time. But I go back

744
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: to what Danny was saying earlier, which was, you know,

745
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: he could have gone away after that interception. He could

746
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: have been frustrated, and instead the effort was made to

747
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: reintegrate what Michael Wilson was doing and he ends up

748
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: making two huge plays, gets a two point conversion catch

749
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: which was big to tie the game the first time.

750
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: Then he makes that fourth down touchdown catch, and it

751
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: just you go back to you can't just plug in

752
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: a running back, right, what some people seem to struggle with,

753
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: and it's come up with when you're talking about Connor,

754
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: it's talking about when you're talking about Kyler and Michael Wilson.

755
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: We can talk about it in terms of the draft pick,

756
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: and why can't they just lose games? These are just

757
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: parroic victories. They don't mean anything because all it does

758
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: is cost you draft status. That's all it does. And

759
00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: the frequency in which those in the outside, sometimes media,

760
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: sometimes fans, lose sight of the fact that there are

761
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: humans playing this game and that sometimes you need not

762
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: only a good running back who can gain six yards

763
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: on a carry, but also has the emotion that brings

764
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: with it that lifts the entire team like James Connor,

765
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: or that sometimes while you have a talented quarterback and

766
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: a talented rookie wide receiver, there is a human element

767
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: where they've got to get on the same page or

768
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: they've got to get pass frustrations over what's happening between

769
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: them or on the bigger picture, as we all saw

770
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia when they win a Giant game that essentially

771
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: all it does tangibly is cost them a better draft pick.

772
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 3: You need to understand how much intangibly that really means,

773
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: and we all saw what that was on Sunday.

774
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: It's all great points, Darren. We only have one draft

775
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: with general manager Maani Austin for it. When you're looking

776
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 4: at the impact of the rookies, undrafted rookie free agents,

777
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 4: free agents that were veterans that were signed here. You

778
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: look at the type of player, the effort, the technique,

779
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 4: the type of person, the character that they have. Every

780
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: single player has been a success in their own way,

781
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: in their own role. So even if you're dropping let's

782
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 4: say from three to four, if that's where the Cardinals

783
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: end up with their first round draft pick from the

784
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: one year we have with awesome for it at the helm,

785
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: you have no reason other than to believe that they are.

786
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 4: He and his staff are going to continue to find

787
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 4: the right types of players and the right types of

788
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: people to join this organization. And I do think that

789
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: we should also shout out Greg Dorts because seven receptions

790
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: on seven targets, state and bounds shook off multiple defenders

791
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: which put the Cardinals deep into the red zone in

792
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 4: a scoring opportunity. Can he continues to show up when

793
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: his number is called in play, like every down.

794
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: Is his last. I mean the world might doubt Greg Dorch,

795
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: she does not doubt himself. I mean he is brimming

796
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: with confidence. So'll look you're right in the eye and

797
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: tell you, hey, give me the ball on the phone

798
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: booth and I'll make you miss. And when you get

799
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: him in space, he's lethal, as the Eagles found out

800
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: the hard way and the Bears. And the Bears, I

801
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: mean he's made some plays, yes, absolutely.

802
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 4: And not just on special teams but offense when when

803
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: it has been time to rely on him, he has

804
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: been there.

805
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: By the way, when it comes to rookies, the let

806
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: the Rooks cook update desk, Cardinals have sixty one starts

807
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: by rookies, the most in the NFL. This season, twelve

808
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: rookies saw action against Philadelphia, the most of the Cardinals

809
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 2: as a franchise since two thousand and five.

810
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 3: To do that and win the game against the team

811
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: that's going to be in the playoffs and has eleven wins,

812
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: that's amazing to me. It is.

813
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: It's And you know what, as far as the draft

814
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: order goes, how do you know quarterbacks aren't gonna go one, two, three?

815
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: How do you know it's not gonna be Caleb Williams,

816
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: Drake May, Jade and Daniels Heck, how do you know

817
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: it won't be bow Knicks? Michael Pennix?

818
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: Are you talking about five?

819
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: If it's Marvin Harrison or Boss Fred to four. How

820
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: do you know Harrison's not gonna still be there at

821
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: four or five. This quarterback class is loaded, and there

822
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: are so many teams who are so desperate for a

823
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback that a Cardinals might want to if Marvin

824
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: Harrison is their guy, he might easily be available at four.

825
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: And or if there's still a quarterback on the board,

826
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: you could still pull the trigger and trade out.

827
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: I do think it's interesting that the talks have died

828
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: down about the Cardinals drafting a quarterback. I think a

829
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: game like Sunday in Philadelphia shows to you that Kyler

830
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: Murray is your franchise quarterback. I don't think there's a

831
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 4: need for a quarterback this draft, and I do think

832
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 4: it's interesting those talks have died down, and I think

833
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: they deserve to have died down with what we have

834
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 4: seen from Kyler in such a limited time in this offense.

835
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to DVR the season finale of Game Plan,

836
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon's weekly TV show, It'll air Friday night, six

837
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: thirty on twelve News. The manner in which he speaks

838
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: of Kayle Murray and the strides Kyler has made in

839
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: the last two months some great answers that we've yet

840
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: to hear from the Cardinals head coach. And just based

841
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: on those answers, which I can't quote exactly right now,

842
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: I would be shocked if Kyler Murray isn't the quarterback

843
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: next season.

844
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: I was already I was already ninety five percent sure

845
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: that that was gonna happen. I now I'm I'm locked

846
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: in listening to petsing talk about him and again listening

847
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 3: to where they all are. Look, if if Kyler Murray

848
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: goes four and four in his eight game return this season,

849
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: there's a good chance the Cardinals first pick is going

850
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: to be seven. So like, and would anybody be surprised

851
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: if the Seahawks, who Yeah, they need to win with

852
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: a Packers loss to make the playoffs, so they still

853
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 3: have a chance to make the playoffs.

854
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: But stink and Seahawks got helped last year when the

855
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: Lions beat the Packers and then they backed into.

856
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: The playoffs and they didn't. But the Seahawks didn't play

857
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: all that great at home against the Steelers. They got

858
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: run over. The Cardinals have a chance to run them

859
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: over again, they're having to come on the road. I mean,

860
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: would any be Buddy Beasts Prize. If the Cardinals win

861
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: this weekend.

862
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't know now, No, I mean Grandma

863
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: got run over by a raindeer. The Seahawks got run

864
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: over by the Steelers, and it's quite likely it might

865
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: happen again here week eighteen, the season finale. And by

866
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: the way, in addition everything else, you know, you get

867
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: a win, you went out, it means you've won three

868
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: or last four to end the season, right, Yeah, it

869
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: verifies the culture and the team building. It demonstrates and

870
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: proves to everyone in that locker room that where this

871
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: is going, it works in the new culture, everything else.

872
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: But I think you also need to send a message

873
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 2: to the division. Doesn't hurt to not go in six

874
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: again in the NFC West and let the rest of

875
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: the division know, you know what, We're not holding your

876
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 2: shine box next season.

877
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: I I found this comment and I'm gonna be paraphrasing

878
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: because I don't have it exact. But in Jonathan Gannon's

879
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: press conference on Monday Year's Day, he was asked about

880
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: He was essentially asked if if he felt like they

881
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: would be able to keep some of the free agents

882
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 3: that they might have because he's developed a good relationship

883
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 3: with them. And he didn't say exactly, but my interpretation

884
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: of how he talked about it was that not only

885
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: did was he hopeful that you would be able to

886
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: keep guys around here that you wanted to keep because

887
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: they believe in what's going on and because he has

888
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: a good relationship, But I almost got the vibe, and

889
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: I believe that this is also going to kind of

890
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: permeate outward and we might be able to get some

891
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: guys in here that have heard good things about how

892
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: we operate. And I think that's where this offseason is

893
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: going to be really interesting to me. I mean, there's

894
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: just there is an understandable negativity in certain ways about

895
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 3: where the organization has been the last couple of years

896
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: and being able to bring people in and again free

897
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 3: agencies about money. Let's not get that twisted. Nobody's picking

898
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: the chiefs for the Cardinals if the Cardinals are offering

899
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: three million more dollars a year, So let's not be

900
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: stupid about this. But I do think they have a

901
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: chance to bring in some key pieces. And we keep

902
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: talking about the draft when free agency is gonna be

903
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: before the draft, and we might have an idea of

904
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: what pieces they might be bringing in to bolster certain spots,

905
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: which might impact who they're taking in the first round.

906
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 2: Pass rusher. Oh, you didn't ask for Maia free advice

907
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: on you thinking free agency? Free agency? Is there anybody

908
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: out there? Well, that's the problem.

909
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's going to be anybody out

910
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: there because usually those guys don't hit the market.

911
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: I still think there's a good opportunity if you end

912
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: up having a trade around the draft, where if you

913
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: don't feel like by the time draft comes around that

914
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: you've gotten a caliber player that you are looking for

915
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 4: from free agency. I do think with the number of

916
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 4: picks the Cardinals have, that could be likely of you

917
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: end up making a trade not just for some picks,

918
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: but for a player, And that to me would be

919
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: a position that would make sense because typically when a

920
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: star pass rusher it's free agency, it costs you a

921
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: whole lot of money, or they are on the back

922
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: end of their career, and it doesn't really feel like

923
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: the vibes of where this team is trying to head

924
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 4: in terms of signing a veteran at the back end

925
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 4: of their career or trying to pay off a big

926
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 4: contract and a trade like that, if it's feasible to

927
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: take over that contract, I think that the Cardinals find

928
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: themselves in a good position with the draft capital they have.

929
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: I will say, and it will depend on who we're

930
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: talking about, but oftentimes the guys who and let's say

931
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: we're talking about an edge rusher. If you're talking about

932
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 3: trading for a guy like that, usually, if it's not

933
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: the back end of the career, we're talking about a

934
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: guy who, yeah, he might have been paid, But oftentimes

935
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: it's a guy who's about to get paid and they

936
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: don't want to pay it.

937
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 2: Chandler Jones in Chicago Montes Chandler Jones.

938
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: That's why the Cardinals got Chandler Jones is because the

939
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 3: Patriots didn't want to pay that. So if you're doing that,

940
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: you're going to be committing to paying whether the guy

941
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: already has the contractor he's about to have the contract.

942
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule that out. I think that's a realistic scenario.

943
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: You know, again, I don't know any names out there

944
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 3: who might be in that situation.

945
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: I mean, the latest greatest example would be the Detroit Lions.

946
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: Right they fixed the offensive line, they have a really

947
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: good offensive line right now, whereas they went decades with

948
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: a really poor offensive line.

949
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: They're not very good at reporting if they're eligible. So

950
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: there's that.

951
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: That's twice, Darren, No, are you just absolving Brad All

952
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: in the refereecaps. But then they got Aden Hutchinson who

953
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: had three sacks in that game, a couple of them

954
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: against Tyrone Smith, right, So I mean they added the

955
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: pass rusher, they fixed the offensive line. That's a tried

956
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: and true formula or rebuilding a team. And I would

957
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: not be shocked if the Cardinals go that direction this offseason.

958
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

959
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 4: Right, I think the trenches either side of the ball

960
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: is going to be a heavy emphasis this offseason.

961
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: So, by the way, have we given enough props and

962
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: praise have we given any to the Cardinals offensive line

963
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: and what they did in that game, what they've done

964
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: all season long to pave the way for a top

965
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: six run game. I mean, you know, you look at

966
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: what they're able, and then they were still rotating guys

967
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: at left guard. But you know, Paris Johnson Junior and

968
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: some you know, going against Hassan Reddick and company, and

969
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: will Hernandez Wolf said from the booth. It looked like

970
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: Will Hernana is ad like five pancake box.

971
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna apologize right now for yell to

972
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: yell to Frold. Yeah, there's a guy. When they signed,

973
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: and then all we talked about when the off season

974
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: started was Okay, he's the placeholder for center right now,

975
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: I wonder who's gonna be center. I wonder gonna be

976
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: who's gonna be center? And he's gonna end up starting

977
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: every game and doing a pretty damn good. Jobs have

978
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: been good.

979
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: The communication seems like it's been good.

980
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: He's a great quote.

981
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: It's a good quote. We had him on The Big

982
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: Red Rage. If you have a moment, call that up

983
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: and listen to the yelled of Frohold segment. It's outstanding.

984
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: We talked about his weight room because that's what he

985
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: does for fun.

986
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, lift weights, Yeah, the Desert Viking.

987
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Magnus ver Rohold with the old Atlas stones like

988
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: the world's strong man. He said he's extra motivated now

989
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: because he's a new dad. So he said he'll actually

990
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: open the garage door and he lets the whole neighborhood

991
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: know that he's in there lifting weights and he'll make

992
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: it extra. He'll grunt and he'll yell because he wants

993
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: everyone to know that his daughter's dad is the toughest

994
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: dude on the block.

995
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: If you didn't do that, I don't have any daughters, Paul,

996
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 4: You getting any ideas.

997
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean after this holiday season? You know, I don't

998
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: want to get into the whole dad bod thing. Okay,

999
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into that whole thing. I mean,

1000
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: it's I did. I did take a shot at Wolf

1001
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: because it only took him about thirty seven seconds to

1002
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: ask the weight question, to yell to frohole like he

1003
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: always does of every offensive lineman. Would you weigh these days? Yeah,

1004
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Said, Yeo, do have you put

1005
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: on twenty five pounds this holiday season? Like Wolf has?

1006
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: And y'all just said no. If I put on twenty

1007
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: five pounds, it cost me a fine of about seventy

1008
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: grand because it's in my contract. Wow. Okay, that's a

1009
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: costly extra cookie on the team plane on the way

1010
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: home right there. If you're all so yeah for the

1011
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: pizza bagels, Yeah, who's the fan of the pizza bagels?

1012
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: It's Kaylen Kaitlin.

1013
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 4: Okay, they're pretty good though. I like pizza bagels because

1014
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: just not as much as Kitlin. Apparently she's very excited

1015
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 4: when that was our first mid flight snack a couple

1016
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: of weeks ago and then again this.

1017
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Past week, but not nearly as much as beating the Seahawks.

1018
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: Let's all, can we all agree.

1019
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: On that we're gonna do it for you, Paul, I mean,

1020
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: come on, you can't have.

1021
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: The Seahawks back into the playoffs for a second straight year.

1022
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: Can't have it. You just can't have it, especially after

1023
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: you first game. You won the turnover battle three nothing

1024
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: and lost the game. That was one of Josh Dobbs's

1025
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: worst performances, especially that first half. And you didn't have

1026
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: James Connor in that first meeting week seven.

1027
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: These are problems.

1028
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: So hopefully the Seahawks go, wait a minute, Kyler and

1029
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: James Connor are back. This is a different Cardinals team,

1030
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: and then we'll see We'll see. Uh So there you go.

1031
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: Okay, it's the final one of the of the season

1032
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: here this podcast.

1033
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 2: It's true.

1034
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: The next podcast will have will officially be in the

1035
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: off season.

1036
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: By the way, I do encourage everyone to check out

1037
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: the Jonathan Gannon edition, his final season finale, So we'll

1038
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: see see how that goes. I wish I had some

1039
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: great walk off here.

1040
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: At the very end of the season or this podcast,

1041
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: But you.

1042
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: Know, how do you top what the Cardinals did in Philadelphia?

1043
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: Right just walking off that field and the whole you know,

1044
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: the whole G and JG standing for the grinch that

1045
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: stole New Year's You know.

1046
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: Is that money Austin Fort waiting for us outside the

1047
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: door as we've come out.

1048
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: Now, I was, how was the locker room? Real quick?

1049
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: Any anecdotes from the locker room and the victory scene

1050
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: you guys were in there afterwards. Is there anything you know,

1051
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: we hurt's partly memorable?

1052
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: Uh, not necessarily, although you could just tell it's funny

1053
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: because everybody lingers in the locker room a little bit longer.

1054
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 3: I mean, there's obviously a very different But I kept

1055
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: thinking of DJ Humphries, who was on crutches, feeling pretty

1056
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: confident he's not going to play in this finale, but

1057
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: he said it wasn't serious. But you see the pictures

1058
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: after the game. He was still in very much a

1059
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: good mood right after the game, and when I talked

1060
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: to him, and just having him talk to everybody. He

1061
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: didn't look like a guy it was hurt. He looked

1062
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: like a guy who was reveling in a which they

1063
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: all were. I mean, ultimately, that's what it came down to.

1064
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: That and Joy Blunt holding the ball.

1065
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 4: When there are teams around the league where they're getting

1066
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 4: their fourth win and week I guess what that was

1067
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: sixteen seventeen, a lot of times it can feel like, oh, okay, cool,

1068
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 4: we got one. That's not what it has felt like.

1069
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 4: And it's not because this team is getting They're definitely

1070
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 4: not getting arrogant after only getting four wins. The types

1071
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 4: of wins that this team is pulling off against the Eagles,

1072
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, the Steelers, Sorry Falcons, I'm not gonna you

1073
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: in that list though. That was Kyler's okay, and that

1074
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: was Kyler's first game back. The types of wins that

1075
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 4: this team has generated is the reason why they are

1076
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 4: acting that way and they have that confidence in the

1077
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 4: locker room post game. It's not because, oh, hey, we

1078
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: just beat the Eagles. It's because they have that confidence

1079
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 4: in themselves of they know that is the type of

1080
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 4: team they can be. And that's what I think that

1081
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: you know, celebration is really about it. It's not just

1082
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Speaker 4: about Hey, we beat our head coach's former team on

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Speaker 4: the road, a team that's been a Super Bowl favor

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Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks. You know, it's also about

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Speaker 4: them and the types of wins they are having because

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Speaker 4: they played a great game.

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Speaker 2: The Falcons are still mathematically.

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Speaker 3: If they win and the Buccaneers lose, they win the division.

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Speaker 4: Wow, don't don't a little bit of a difference between

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Speaker 4: the NFC West and South.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me it's not realistic. Cardinals can be a

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Speaker 2: playoff contender next year? Then come on, now, seven spots,

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Speaker 2: come on.

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Speaker 3: And I will say this. You and I have been

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Speaker 3: there on this a long time, Paul. When you're rising up,

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Speaker 3: even if you're not great yet, and obviously the Cardinals

1097
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Speaker 3: aren't even mediocre yet, they've got four wins, it's a

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Speaker 3: different vibe. It feels different. It's more enjoyable. The wins

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Speaker 3: are more enjoyable as you go there. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: you'd love to be a team that wins all the time,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, I'm willing to bet this last month

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Speaker 3: has been way more enjoyable for the Cardinals and their

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Speaker 3: players than it has been for the Chiefs, and I

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Speaker 3: think the Chiefs are three and one sure expectations.

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Speaker 2: You're right, all right, so we'll leave out three words. Fly,

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