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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is noelh.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: tuning in the evening this listener mail program publishes. Let

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Speaker 3: us welcome you to February sixth, twenty twenty five. We

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Speaker 3: talked about it earlier this week. It's amazing that January

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five went by so quickly and took so

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Speaker 3: long to do. So, we've got a lot of correspondence

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Speaker 3: to get to a true embarrassment of riches. We're going

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Speaker 3: to hear from people all across the world. We're going

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Speaker 3: to talk about some of the disturbing news occurring in

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Speaker 3: the United States. We're gonna hear from firefighter or an

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Speaker 3: exotic landscaper out west. We're going to talk about telepathy.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about private healthcare before we do

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Speaker 3: any of that, Guys, do you have your mobile phones

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Speaker 3: on your persons as were free.

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Speaker 4: Whoa, you got a secret cell phone like Walter White?

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Speaker 5: I got two?

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, keep your secrets.

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Speaker 5: Matt oh, I have so many.

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Speaker 4: Well, I would like to report that mine is currently

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Speaker 4: fully charged. So come at me an essay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've recently stepped away from calling them burner phones.

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Speaker 3: I don't like the connotation. I don't care for it.

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Speaker 3: I call a couple of my freezer phones. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, as in, you take them out of

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Speaker 3: the freezer when it's time to make the call.

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Speaker 4: Just the one for me, guys, Just the one for me.

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Speaker 4: But I respect us, I respect it, I really do.

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Speaker 3: And with that, we're going to pause for a word

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Speaker 3: from our sponsors and will return with a message from Kurt.

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Speaker 4: And we've returned with the ffore mentioned message from Kurt.

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Speaker 4: This one is a dilly, as Lucille Ball was wanted

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Speaker 4: to say, Hey, conspiracy team, Kurt says, it's been a

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Speaker 4: while since I've emailed about privacy related concerns in the past,

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Speaker 4: and I know you've touched on Faraday pouches slash foil

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Speaker 4: wraps before. I work in cybersecurity current testing mobile app security,

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Speaker 4: and I came across an article claiming the NSA can

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Speaker 4: track your phone even when it's off, links to an

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Speaker 4: article from BoingBoing dot net, which we will talk about

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Speaker 4: in a minute. My first reaction, this is ridiculous. Off

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Speaker 4: going to or from our devices, right. Every movie shows

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Speaker 4: phone calls and then again breaking bad situations, snapping that

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Speaker 4: precursory searching. Reddit is full of conspiracy theories about batteries

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Speaker 4: not being removable after the snowed in revelations, Faraday bags

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Speaker 4: wondering if there's any legitimacy to this. The technique is

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Speaker 4: maybe there's something deeper going on here. Batteries are no

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Speaker 4: longer removable from phones. They are hardwired in unless you

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Speaker 4: guides mobile Phone Privacy and Security guide for protesters. Today,

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Speaker 4: Randy's are CEO of Faraday pouch manufacturer SLNT wrote, just

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Speaker 4: want to let you know your cell phone is tracking you,

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Speaker 4: technique enabled the agency to find cell phones even when

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Speaker 4: they were turned off. JASOK troops called this the Find,

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Speaker 4: if you're serious about not wanting to be tracked, you

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Speaker 4: A Faraday phone pouch is one way to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to interject here, Faraday bags are a real thing. However,

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Speaker 3: there's not necessarily some sort of universal regulatory body assuring

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Speaker 3: I will posit for you, fellow conspiracy realist and thank

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Speaker 4: Then the marketing ploy behind Faraday bags is how effective

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Speaker 4: that's just literally, you know, testing whether it blocks the

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Speaker 3: Faraday bags can deflect or block a wide range of frequencies,

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Speaker 3: but it's caveat m tour as we used to say,

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Speaker 3: back in Roman days, you know, you're not always sure

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, and guys, we are turning our ears

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Speaker 2: really quickly if you don't mind, y'all. Cosmic as asked

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Speaker 2: So just this goes back to when I started, so

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Speaker 3: And so well, let's walk many Matt. I'd love to

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Speaker 2: I would say a safe bet is seven mana. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So highly recommend it. There's my salute cosmic for asking

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Speaker 3: Oh h is it okay? If I say yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: This storm crow the name of one of the wildling

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so pretty much. I love every Corvid magic and.

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Speaker 4: We do know that.

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Speaker 2: If you want an awesome crow deck, might I recommend

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Speaker 5: Of dark rituals. You can only have place but.

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Speaker 2: Ramping up to three black Man up plus you got

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Speaker 4: Just zurgit buddy, Right, Oh, the Song Crows and Game

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Speaker 3: The real issues, Cosmic, that's what that's right for.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much, Cosmic for that insight.

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Speaker 2: lot of friends who did go to the hospital because

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Speaker 2: a bike related stuff specifically. And there's just one instance, right,

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Speaker 2: or one specific thing. But and maybe a trend towards overcaution,

437
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Speaker 2: whether we know it or not, is because adults know

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Speaker 2: the full cost of getting injured on your bike or

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Speaker 2: climbing up that tree would be.

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Speaker 3: For sure. It also calls to mind there was an

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Speaker 3: excellent episode of Stuff You Should Know several years ago, now,

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Speaker 3: a few more years than I'd like to specify, wherein

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Speaker 3: they talked about the idea of antibiotic resistant bacteria, right,

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Speaker 3: the idea of over medicating people with antibiotics, not letting

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Speaker 3: kids play in the dirt? Right? Does that have long

446
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Speaker 3: tail consequences? Are we being over cautious? I can't recommend

447
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: those guys highly enough. If you'd like to check out

448
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: their shows, I think you can also find them on

449
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Speaker 3: Instagram if you're interested.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do also think about any little thing that's

451
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Speaker 2: just the way cosmic put it, doing anything that may

452
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Speaker 2: cause you harm, right, anything that may cause you harm.

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Speaker 3: And I hope your fingers are all right, man.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, it's terrifying. I cringed immediately. And to think

455
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Speaker 4: that even lawnmowers aren't safe they can turn on you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is weird.

457
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Speaker 2: So we found a couple of things that I don't know,

458
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Speaker 2: we might it might be worth pointing to Cosmic. There's

459
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Speaker 2: some interesting research coming out of pub Med Central. Back

460
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Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen. It was studying health insurance status in

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Speaker 2: the United States and psychological distress and the connection between

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Speaker 2: those two things amongst adults aged eighteen to sixty four

463
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Speaker 2: years old. Just give you a tiny bit of sampling

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Speaker 2: of this. It states the purpose of this research is

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Speaker 2: to examine the relationship between psychological distress and the aspects

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Speaker 2: of health insurance status, including lack of coverage, types of coverage,

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Speaker 2: and disruption in coverage. Adults with private or no health

468
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Speaker 2: insurance had lower levels of psychological distress than those with

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Speaker 2: public or other coverage, Which is interesting, right, if you've

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Speaker 2: got private healthcare insurance, you're not as worried because you've

471
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Speaker 2: got the insurance that will cover you to some extent,

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Speaker 2: even though you know, we know not fully and there

473
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Speaker 2: will be lots of costs associated with being hurt, but

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Speaker 2: at least if something major happens and you've got private

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Speaker 2: health insurance, you're not going to pay the full fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars or whatever. You'll pay the first two to

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Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars or something like that, even though that's

478
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Speaker 2: a crazy amount of money. They continue. Although significant relationships

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Speaker 2: between psychological distress and health insurance status were identified, their

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Speaker 2: strength was modest, with other demographic and health condition covariates

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Speaker 2: also being potential sources of distress, so they weren't able

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Speaker 2: to find like health insurance is the reason people are

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Speaker 2: distressed and not doing things or anything like that. They're

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Speaker 2: just saying there did seem to be some kind of

485
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Speaker 2: connection between health insurance and stress, especially when a change

486
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Speaker 2: was occurring in whatever private or public health insurance was

487
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Speaker 2: was available to that human being, that personal that personal

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Speaker 2: relationship between you and your health insurer. And then in

489
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Speaker 2: just the last couple of things to add to this

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Speaker 2: as an update, there is a new United Healthcare CEO.

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Speaker 2: His name is nol nolim Z.

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Speaker 4: What did I do when I was in a fugue state?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: He joined United Health in two thousand and seven and

495
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Speaker 2: most recently oversaw United Healthcare's medicare and retirement businesses, which

496
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: are going through some weird stuff right now to changes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Just.

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Speaker 2: A reminder, United Healthcare's parent company, United health Group, is

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Speaker 2: one of the largest companies in the world.

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Speaker 1: H yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. As we discussed previously in our series on Luigi

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Speaker 3: Mangeon looked for an update, there's news emerges. United Healthcare

503
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: is a Leviathan. It is.

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Speaker 4: Just huge.

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Speaker 3: Is not even a big enough word to encompass the

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Speaker 3: economic make heft of that enterprise.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: And this comes to us via an NPR article titled

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Speaker 2: United Healthcare names new CEO after Brian Thompson's killing. And

510
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Speaker 2: here's a little quote from Andrew whitti, the CEO of

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Speaker 2: United health Group, that is the giant company, yeah.

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Speaker 3: The parent company of United Healthcare.

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00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: Yes.

514
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Speaker 2: And the quote is the healthcare system needs to function

515
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Speaker 2: better the boy. And he added when he was talking

516
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Speaker 2: to investors that the company's mission is quote to improve

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Speaker 2: this system for everybody and help people live healthier lives.

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Speaker 5: Ah feels good.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't it so wrong as you can afford it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. And another thing we can mention here,

522
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: just as I mentioned, there is another new AI tool

523
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Speaker 2: that's going to help health insurers deny the denials that

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Speaker 2: the other AI healthcare tool was doing. So it's a

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Speaker 2: it's a stop gap AI adjunct to automate appeals to

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Speaker 2: the denials that the previous AI is doing.

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Speaker 3: Hang on, man, let me get some paper.

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Speaker 5: Here, just so.

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Speaker 2: So human being gets hurt. There is a healthcare request

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Speaker 2: for insurance coverage, all right, The first AI tool automatically

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Speaker 2: says no, no, no, no, no no. Then this second AI

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Speaker 2: tool says, well, let me hold on, let me take

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Speaker 2: a look at that. Oh, we're gonna automatically appeal that process.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm stribbling this down. Okay, okay, take take me

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Speaker 3: through the next step.

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Speaker 2: Now, one day a human actually looks at the readout,

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Speaker 2: you know, because this little ticker tape that comes out,

538
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: and then they're like no, okay.

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Speaker 3: And we can only assume that surely people are rolling

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Speaker 3: this out because there's been some kind of breakthrough in

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Speaker 3: medical technology wherein if you have a life threatening condition,

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Speaker 3: your body goes on pause while the AI fights itself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, and it's just it's

545
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: exactly what it is. Yeah, the new AI is just

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00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: called Shot and Freud.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much. Cosmic.

548
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: I hope that I don't know gave you at least

549
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: our insights and our magic cards. We will be right

550
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: back with more messages from you.

551
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: And we've returned Cosmic in particular. If you want to

552
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: hear more about Corvid based magic cards, just drop an email.

553
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: We've got some ideas. You know, maybe we could build

554
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: a deck together. I'd say that because a big shout

555
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: out to my brother Matt Frederick and our pal Tyler Claying. Matt,

556
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: you remember you built a magic the Gathering deck for me.

557
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: I still have it.

558
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 5: You should use it.

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Speaker 3: I'm the kind of guy who plays dungeons and dragons

560
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Speaker 3: with myself, very well adjusted, very well adjusted rolling for initiative,

561
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Speaker 3: we are going to set the stage for this part

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Speaker 3: of our evenings listener mail with the following. Recently, if

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Speaker 3: you live in the United States, you have doubtlessly heard

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Speaker 3: that one of the country's largest employers, Uncle Sam, the

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Speaker 3: federal government, sent a stark and troubling email out to

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Speaker 3: a ton of federal employees. Now, Federal here is a

567
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: vast umbrella. It's a vast group term it encapsulates or

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Speaker 3: it encounters many, many, many different things that most people

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Speaker 3: in the US take for granted because they don't hear

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Speaker 3: about it until something goes wrong. We are going to

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Speaker 3: hear from a no mis FED and anonymous before we

572
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Speaker 3: share this, we want you know it hit all of

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Speaker 3: us personally. It hit a lot of our fellow listeners

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Speaker 3: as well. We're going to protect your anonymity and we

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Speaker 3: cannot thank you enough for sharing this because we know

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Speaker 3: it's going to resonate with a lot of people. Here's

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Speaker 3: the letter. Hi guys, I've been a longtime listener, but

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Speaker 3: this is the first time I'm writing it. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: you've seen in the news about the Trump administration's onslaught

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Speaker 3: against federal employees. On January twenty seventh, federal employees from

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Speaker 3: all agencies got an ominous email from the Office of

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Speaker 3: Personnel Management OPM with the subject line fork in the Road.

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Speaker 3: This email offered federal employees an option to submit a

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Speaker 3: deferred resignation. The news says anonymous FED keeps talking about

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Speaker 3: this as a buyout, which is not true. Basically, the

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Speaker 3: email said that if we submit a deferred resignation by

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Speaker 3: replying to the email with the word resign, and the

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00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: body of the reply email. We will still have to

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00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: work until September, but won't have to be in compliance

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Speaker 3: with the four pillars of the new Federal Workforce. I

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00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 3: recommend you check out the email we got, which we

592
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 3: can all find by the way folks at www dot

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00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: OPM dot gov. Forward slash fork and read through the

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Speaker 3: entire announcement. The fourth pillar, says Anonymous FED, is especially

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Speaker 3: scary to me because of the word loyalty in there.

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00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: The whole thing is quite spooky. We haven't gotten much

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Speaker 3: communication from agency leadership yet. And side note, we're not

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Speaker 3: going to reveal any specifics here, but says anonymous FED,

599
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: many unions are saying we should not take this deal.

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Speaker 3: It's even unclear if the government is allowed to do this. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: I would love to hear your thoughts on this and

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00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 3: how the administration is treating federal employees. I personally will

603
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 3: not be taking the deal. I would rather go down

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Speaker 3: kicking and screaming. Feel free to read this out loud

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Speaker 3: on the pod Anonymous FED. And first off, Anonymous FED,

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Speaker 3: we can't thank you enough again. We have been reading

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Speaker 3: along with this. We had a little bit of correspondence

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Speaker 3: with you earlier before we recorded, and I know this

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00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: stuck out to all of us on the show, and

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Speaker 3: quite honestly, I think this is directly affecting a lot

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Speaker 3: of us listening tonight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, reading through the email, it is a little bit sinister.

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Speaker 4: I mean it is the repeated thank you for your

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00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: service kind of language and just the you know, I

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00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: don't know, there's something so formal about it, but also

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Speaker 4: kind of like when when you're getting funired and like,

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Speaker 4: you know, hr kind of covering their butts by speaking

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Speaker 4: in a very kind of veiled and coded proper way.

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Speaker 4: I don't know there's but you guys know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: there is something about it that reads a little eerie.

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Speaker 3: I'd yeah, I hear you, And I'd like to draw

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Speaker 3: everyone's attention to again www DOTPM dot gov. Forward slash

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Speaker 3: fork as in knife and fork.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: This is a real thing. January twenty eight, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: This came out. The fourth pillar that anonymous fed is

627
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Speaker 3: talking about, which is doubtlessly and unfortunately familiar to a

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Speaker 3: lot of our listeners, is something called enhanced Standards of Conduct.

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Speaker 3: We'll just read a quotation from this again. This is official.

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Speaker 3: This is real, and let's get some reactions. Quote. The

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Speaker 3: federal workforce should be comprised of employees who are reliable, loyal, trustworthy,

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Speaker 3: and who strive for excellence in their daily work. Employees

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Speaker 3: will be subject to enhanced standards of suitability and conduct

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Speaker 3: as we move forward. Employees who engage in unlawful behavior

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Speaker 3: or other misconduct will be prioritized for appropriate investigation and discipline,

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Speaker 3: including termination. End quote. How do we feel about that one?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we don't want any spies in our offices because

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Speaker 2: they are making everybody go back to the office.

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Speaker 5: Right, They're like, no spies in the.

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Speaker 3: Office, also returned to office?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are enhanced standards of suitability? Loyalty? Loyal stands

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Speaker 3: out to anonymous fed. Suitability to me is likewise darkly fascinating.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't know this.

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Speaker 3: This is troubling because it brings us to earlier precedents, right,

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Speaker 3: it brings us to presidents, pr e C presidents. This

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Speaker 3: shows us, I don't know, a really disturbing thing that

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Speaker 3: I think is it's something we can look at a

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Speaker 3: politically because we're also seeing the context wherein this language

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Speaker 3: has a lot to do with other non presidential administrative things.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: First off, let's recall the letter that Elon Musk sent

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Speaker 3: out to the hardworking people at X which gave them

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Speaker 3: basically the choice to resign or go to hardcore mode.

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Speaker 3: And the language is pretty simple.

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Speaker 4: Is it just conjecture that this is direct from Musk

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Speaker 4: or do we know this for a fact.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: The language is eerily similar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it would be at this point conjecture. However,

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Speaker 3: we do know that the Heritage Foundation appears to be

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Speaker 3: pulling a bit of an ALEC with a lot of

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Speaker 3: the proposed legislation or policy coming out of the new administration.

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Speaker 3: Do we want to talk about ALEC for a second.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: ALEC is the thing where the lobbyist group is the

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Speaker 2: actual one writing the law, like pen to paper, writing

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Speaker 2: the law, and then the law maker just kind of says, Yep,

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Speaker 2: this is what I wanted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Do you like stamps? What if you have

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Speaker 3: a rubber one? Yeah, just rubber stamp this stuff. Other

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Speaker 3: there's excellent reporting about this to that point, going to

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Speaker 3: Salon an article that published on January twenty eighth, so

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Speaker 3: just yesterday, as we record, on the twenty ninth, by

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Speaker 3: Russell Pate the title right wing activist appear to be

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Speaker 3: writing memos for the Trump White House. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: it's so tempting to read the tea leaves here, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of the language does appear to be lockstep

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Speaker 3: with earlier policy.

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Speaker 4: Proposal Project twenty twenty five from.

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Speaker 3: The Heritage Foundation and from Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Which Trump took great pains to distance himself from. But

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Speaker 4: it would seem that a lot of the policy choices

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Speaker 4: coming out so quickly with these executive orders are in

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Speaker 4: lockstep with all of that stuff that we discussed in

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Speaker 4: that episode.

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Speaker 3: And be careful to watch the three card Monte of attribution.

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Speaker 3: Am I getting it right? Is that the game you

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Speaker 3: have three cards, you have to guess okay, and it's

690
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: notoriously a scam, and it's notoriously there we go, mind reader.

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Speaker 3: So one of the three card Monte things occurring here,

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Speaker 3: I would pose it to all of us listening tonight,

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Speaker 3: is that the authorship change of many of these memos,

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Speaker 3: some of them coming through leaks, some of them coming

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Speaker 3: through officially. The authorship chain changes whenever an Internet sleuth says, hey,

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Speaker 3: is this from the same guy or same person? Who

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Speaker 3: worked for you know, insert think tank here. Isn't this

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Speaker 3: exactly what they said? Are they just deep seeking or

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Speaker 3: chat gpting themselves and pasting their own earlier aspirations as

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Speaker 3: public policy. This is incredibly disturbing because of the way

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Speaker 3: it's being reported, and to your point, Anonymous fed, it's

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Speaker 3: not really a buyout. It may be more of a shakedown.

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Speaker 3: The OPM news first came to the public, the non

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Speaker 3: federal employee public, via our friends at the Associated Press.

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Speaker 3: They said, of course, as you can read in the

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Speaker 3: OPM language, that if you resign, if you just shoot

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Speaker 3: the email back and have the word resign, you will

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Speaker 3: get pay and benefits until September thirtieth of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: You will be to your point, Matt, exempted from all

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Speaker 3: applicable in person work requirements and ding ding ding in

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Speaker 3: person work requirements. Isn't that what Musk proposed earlier with.

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Speaker 4: X These pewge proponents of in office return to office

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Speaker 4: what do they call it? They literally call it rto

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Speaker 4: Have you heard people shorthanding? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Ye, most of the tech giants have gone that route,

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Speaker 2: and we've seen that happening even here in Atlanta with

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Speaker 2: a lot of companies where that's just an expected thing,

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Speaker 2: and you know it. We talked about that. It makes

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Speaker 2: sense for the owners of these giant buildings. It's a

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Speaker 2: one to have them used, right as well as the

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Speaker 2: businesses are around those giant buildings. And just there's a

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Speaker 2: ton of reasons.

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Speaker 4: Commercial real estate is a massive industry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. A lot of tech giants

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Speaker 3: as well, or a lot of institutional titans also have

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Speaker 3: a little bit of their portfolio in commercial real estate. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not so much. Well, maybe elder care as well, maybe

728
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Speaker 3: life work balance. Heck, maybe they're donating an equal amount

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Speaker 3: of money and investment toward quality of life nonprofit charities.

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Speaker 3: I am giving myself bonus points for keeping a straight

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Speaker 3: face while I said that.

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Speaker 4: Ever, the diplomat Ben awarded thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I got more Internet points.

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Speaker 2: You know what, then, you are the best America has

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Speaker 2: to offer. That's directly from the Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt the back of your hand on that one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean as it's just crazy to look at

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Speaker 2: the lane.

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Speaker 3: That's how they write it, and it's so it's so

741
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Speaker 3: that's an excellent pointment because it's such a weird vibe.

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Speaker 3: The other four pillars, or the other three pillars we

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Speaker 3: should outline here are, like you said, return to office.

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Speaker 3: The second pillar is something called performance culture. And that's

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Speaker 3: where we're pulling that quote from the best America has

746
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Speaker 3: to offer. It's a thing. It's an argument that taxpayers

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00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: are paying money. They're paying you standards will only get

748
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: higher and higher, meaning that goals will be increasingly difficult

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Speaker 3: to meet.

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Speaker 2: Well, and they're saying it'll be a meritocracy, right, it's

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Speaker 2: they're only going to reward those and promote those who

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Speaker 2: exceed expectations.

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Speaker 5: No more of this.

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Speaker 2: You've been around here for a long time, get out

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Speaker 2: of town. You better be great or you're out a he.

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Speaker 3: And I hate to point this out, I am. I

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Speaker 3: should not be pointing this out out, but fairness compels

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Speaker 3: us to do so. There are people, there are a

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Speaker 3: few people, you know, just running down the clock for

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Speaker 3: the pension. That is a thing that happens.

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Speaker 5: In every job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but it is it is weird to

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Speaker 2: see it written now like that.

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Speaker 3: And also they're not the majority of the people involved, right,

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Speaker 3: who are just doing their best as experts to do

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Speaker 3: their job. The third pillar is a more streamlined and

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Speaker 3: flexible workforce, where they say the following quote. While a

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Speaker 3: few agencies and even branches of the military I don't

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Speaker 3: like that mark, are likely to see increases in the

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Speaker 3: size of their workforce, the majority of federal agencies are

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Speaker 3: likely to be downsized through restructurings, realignments, and reductions in force.

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Speaker 3: And then they bring out furloughs. They're going to classify

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Speaker 3: some employees as at will status workers.

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Speaker 4: And look, what does that mean? At will? Is that

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Speaker 4: like right to work state kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: It means you can lose a lot of worker protections

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Speaker 3: that historically have been guarantee.

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Speaker 4: Speaking historically guaranteed. You notice the language as well really

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Speaker 4: leans on you will be treated with dignity and afforded

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Speaker 4: all of the care that is promised to you by

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Speaker 4: your stature of your position or whatever, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: implying that severance will be paid out, but also using

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Speaker 4: very amorphous language.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's up there with pursuit of that's rightness. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And this is this is why we wanted to bring

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Speaker 3: this up, anonymous fit. This is very close to all

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Speaker 3: of us and to many of us listening this evening.

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Speaker 3: As you were hearing this the evening this listener mail

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Speaker 3: program publishes. It is February sixth, twenty twenty five, which

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Speaker 3: is the deadline for federal employees to reply to this

791
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: fork in the Road email. Some of us listening now

792
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: maybe on the fence about whether or not to play along.

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00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Are you gonna take the offer, take it or leave it?

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00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: Ben tell us folks, we want to We want to

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Speaker 3: hear from you, and we will say this kind of

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00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: high pressure sales tactic often is often to the detriment

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Speaker 3: of the person being sold something or being made the offer.

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Speaker 4: Didn't know what I mean? Did you mention the pretty

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Speaker 4: soulless respond with resign? You know, like like it's like

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Speaker 4: automated kind of vibes.

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Speaker 5: That's you know what I mean, Like.

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Speaker 4: That's that doesn't feel very dignified to me. M Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 3: And I love that you're pointing that out because we

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00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: need to re emphasize unsubscribe, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like it's just not taking notes, not going to have

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Speaker 3: a meeting. Here's the one word you could send it

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00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: the email. Also want to recommend some amazing articles that

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00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: we found from the New York Times addressing this, there's

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Speaker 3: one that came out today as we record shadows of

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Speaker 3: Musk and the government's buy our plan to our earlier speculation,

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Speaker 3: our earlier correlation of tactic and approach. President Trump's chief

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Speaker 3: cost cutter has cheered an effort to persuade federal workers

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Speaker 3: to quit, and yes, our pals at the New York Times,

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Speaker 3: multiple journalists confirm that there is an eerie similarity between

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Speaker 3: Musk's earlier language and this fork in the road email.

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Speaker 5: Yes, right, sick.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like, are we crazy? Are we too

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Speaker 3: bubbled up in our paranoia and our constant investigation of

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Speaker 3: these hidden things?

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Speaker 4: Or is it true?

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Speaker 3: It feels true. I just need a gut check. I

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Speaker 3: need someone to tell me if I'm crazy.

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Speaker 4: I think we try to approach most of the stuff

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Speaker 4: with a grain of salt and with a measured approach,

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Speaker 4: and I think we're doing the same thing here.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's.

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Speaker 4: Not out of the realm of likelihood more than possibility

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Speaker 4: that that is what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: Did anybody notice the trip Elon took to Germany?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, fascist, yeah, talking about talking about honoring your German heritage.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know again, it seems a little little

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Speaker 4: little dog whistley. I don't know. I don't care for

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Speaker 4: the guy. I'm sorry, it's gonna be honest.

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Speaker 3: That one got into human hearing range that whistle.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It is a very strange position to be in to

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Speaker 2: sit here watching stuff happen. I'm not sure of what

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Speaker 2: it is. And if you call out what you think

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Speaker 2: it might be, you.

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Speaker 4: Could you just get labeled an alarmist. You get labeled

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Speaker 4: some sort of conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 5: And I and this is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, someone comes up to you and says, actually it's

844
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Speaker 3: pronounced jazz lighting.

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Speaker 4: You're crazy.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any fear about it yet. But it

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Speaker 2: is that where if it feels as though we're getting

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Speaker 2: close to a time when speaking up about stuff you

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Speaker 2: see could be.

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Speaker 3: Dangerous, Well, there is good news. Uh. The official policy

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Speaker 3: of the White House has changed, a lot of prominent

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Speaker 3: podcasters are going to be allowed into the press briefings.

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to check with you guys, what are

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Speaker 3: we going to do later this summer. No, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if we're going to make it to the press club,

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Speaker 3: but we do want to.

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Speaker 4: Point out I am going to Germany actually this summer,

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Speaker 4: so I'll check in see what's going on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh, And we have to we have to say the

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Speaker 3: following things. First off, the vast majority of German Nationals

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Speaker 3: obviously don't support this wild ass right wing stuff going on.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, not to mention, I mean, just any mention

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Speaker 4: of anything even fascist adjacent in Germany. It's like for

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Speaker 4: boten to use a German word. I mean it's they

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Speaker 4: take that stuff very very seriously.

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Speaker 3: Over there, very much so. And one other note, just

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Speaker 3: for context, if we sound like we are somehow being hyperbolic.

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Speaker 3: The Twitter message that I'm referring to from Elon Musk

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, can you guess the subject.

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Speaker 2: Line keeck lord five thousand.

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Speaker 3: obviously we are some of the first folks who will

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Speaker 3: but also the federal government exists because you need it

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Speaker 3: to have a government. So let us know your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Folks.

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Speaker 3: We cannot wait to hear from you. We don't have

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Speaker 3: we're experiencing this with you. We've got your back, we've

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Speaker 3: got your six we want to learn more. Thank you

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Speaker 3: to anonymous fed, thank you to Cosmic, Thank you to Kurt.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to have enough time to get to

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Speaker 3: But Mike, if you're hearing this, be safe, and we

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Speaker 3: hope we can share your message with the law Artre

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Speaker 3: We'll leave it there. You can find us on the

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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy. On YouTube, where we have

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Speaker 4: It turns out I.

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Speaker 3: Will not stand for these unsubstantiated rumors. But if those

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Speaker 2: got three minutes, give yourself a cool nickname, say whatever

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Speaker 2: us know if we can use your name and message

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Speaker 5: Maybe you got links, pictures, anything like that. Why not

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Speaker 5: send us an email. We are the.

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Speaker 3: Entities that read every piece of correspondence we receive. Be

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Speaker 3: well aware. Yet I'm afraid sometimes the void writes back,

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Speaker 3: how deep does the abyss go? Do we really read

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Speaker 3: and respond to these excellent emails? Well, there's one way

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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