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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. As

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Speaker 2: we head towards the July fourth holiday, I know many

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Speaker 2: of you are out there on the road getting ready

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Speaker 2: for will hopefully be a fantastic weekend and holiday.

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Speaker 3: We hope all of you are having a spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Time, and we certainly thank you all over this country

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Speaker 2: for spending your time with us. We've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of stories to address. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, our buddy,

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Speaker 2: will be on at one thirty Eastern. He's the only

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Speaker 2: guest I believe that will be with us today, so

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Speaker 3: But we've got a lot of stories to hit with you.

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Speaker 2: Budweiser CEO finally speaks out on CBS about the fact

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Speaker 2: that their brand bud Light is now collapsed and it

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Speaker 2: did not go well. We will play you some of

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Speaker 2: that audio. Daniel Penny in a courtroom as he gets

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Speaker 2: ready for illegiti charges in our opinion, that are being

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Speaker 2: brought against him. What does that say about not only

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Speaker 2: that case, but also the rise of vigilante justice in

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Speaker 2: general that is occurring amidst a crime wave all over

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Speaker 2: the country. And also we will dive into the ongoing

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Speaker 2: collapse and corruption of the Biden family throughout the course

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Speaker 2: of this program, and in fact, that is where we

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Speaker 2: are beginning. There is another WhatsApp message that has been

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Speaker 2: released from Hunter Biden, where and I'm paraphrasing, he tells

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Speaker 2: a major Chinese Communist Party official that essentially, if he

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Speaker 2: gets ten million dollars, nobody is better at doing exactly

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Speaker 2: what China wants than the Biden family.

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Speaker 3: Goodness, I just.

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Speaker 2: Want all of you, big picture wise, to contemplate where

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Speaker 2: we are right now. Joe Biden's Department of Justice is

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Speaker 2: attempting to put his chief political rival, Donald Trump in

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Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life for what is

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Speaker 2: effectively a dispute over where papers should be kept. That is,

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Speaker 2: at essence, what Donald Trump is facing the rest of

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Speaker 2: his life in prison for a dispute over where papers

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Speaker 2: should be kept. Meantime, Hunter Biden, as a part of

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Speaker 2: the Biden crime family, has solicited tens of millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars in payments from America's chief foreign adversaries, pledging the

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Speaker 2: Biden family's commitment to those foreign adversaries in exchange for money,

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Speaker 2: using his father's name, using his father's presence as evidence

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Speaker 2: of why China and other foreign entities should be paying

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Speaker 2: him tens of millions of dollars. He has not paid

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Speaker 2: tax on that money, which is illegitimately received, and he

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Speaker 2: will be as a result, protected by right now the

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice, and there will be no consequences whatsoever

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Speaker 2: for his behavior. This is not only an unprecedented attack

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Speaker 2: upon Donald Trump and the entire political process in this country.

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Speaker 2: It's also the most extensive protection racket that we have

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Speaker 2: ever seen, a definition of a two tiered system of

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Speaker 2: justice that is right now at the very core of

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Speaker 2: the Biden crime family and their power. Surprisingly, the media

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Speaker 2: has begun to wake up to all of this misbehavior,

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Speaker 2: to this criminality, and they're actually asking questions here. Earlier today,

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Speaker 2: Biden asked if he was involved in the shakedown with

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Speaker 2: your shakedown?

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Speaker 3: Tech message for you sitting there where you're involved?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so Biden says, no, Buck, do you believe him?

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Speaker 3: I do not.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone does. I don't even think Biden

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Speaker 4: voters do at this point. They're just locked into this

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Speaker 4: mentality of anything to defeat Trump is acceptable, and so

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Speaker 4: nothing else really matters to them. The other, you know,

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Speaker 4: the the other part of the of the WhatsApp message,

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Speaker 4: I am tired of this. This is Hunter Biden allegedly,

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Speaker 4: I am tired of this, Kevin. I can make five

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Speaker 4: million dollars in salary at any law firm in America.

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Speaker 4: If you think this is about money, it's not what

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Speaker 4: law firm is going to pay Hunter Biden five million

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Speaker 4: dollars unless the whole game here is that he's going

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Speaker 4: to be selling access to dead I mean, this is

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Speaker 4: this is like the definition of corruption in politics.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't really get much more odious than this.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit like handing a bag of money

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Speaker 4: or something at three times the cost that it should be.

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Speaker 3: You got you look like you're fired up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I want you to read that quote again too, because

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. But the quote that you read,

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Speaker 2: Read that again because I want to react to that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, what I am the president some went on

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Speaker 4: to say, this is from straight arrow news. I am

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Speaker 4: tired of this, Kevin, I can make five million dollars

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Speaker 3: If you think this is about money, it's not.

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Speaker 2: The Bidens are the best I know at doing exactly

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Speaker 2: what the chairman wants from the partnership. Okay, so yes,

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Speaker 2: all of that is the very essence of selling access.

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Speaker 2: It is corruption. It should not occur. The Bidens should

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Speaker 2: be criminally prosecuted in my opinion, and Joe Biden should

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Speaker 2: be impeached. But Buck, you know one of my number

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Speaker 2: one rules whenever someone says it's not about the money,

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Speaker 2: it's about the money, about the money, so what else

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Speaker 2: would it be about? What else could Hunter Biden even

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Speaker 2: claim in that message that you read that this is

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Speaker 2: about what as a matter of principle, he wants to

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Speaker 2: sell out the country on behalf of Chinese interest. That's

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Speaker 2: even worse than doing it for money, I think, because

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Speaker 2: then it's like you're pledging allegiance to China. It's clearly

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Speaker 2: about the money and the idea that Hunter Biden is arguing, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I could get five million from any law firm in America.

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Speaker 2: This is again corruption at its absolute core.

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Speaker 4: But this is really also showing everybody right now as

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Speaker 4: we talk to you, Clay, or as we talk to

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Speaker 4: you everybody, and Clay and I sit here on Fox,

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Speaker 4: they were just running the irs whistleblower. What do you

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Speaker 4: think they're running over on CNN on the screen Trump

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Speaker 4: on audio tape, it was bravado. Now they're going back

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Speaker 4: to the audio from a couple of days ago, and

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Speaker 4: what you're going to see is people on the right

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Speaker 4: are looking at this whole Hunter Biden thing and they're

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Speaker 4: saying everything the worst stuff that we thought the Bidens

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Speaker 4: were doing is not only true, it is now provable. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and all Democrats are just going to be stuck in

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Speaker 4: this silo of Donald Trump didn't return the documents and

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Speaker 4: he committed obstruction, and they're they're gonna block out whatever

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Speaker 4: the Bidens have done because the Bidens, it's it's into.

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Speaker 4: This is just indefensible. There's no there's no politically saleable

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Speaker 4: way to tell people. My son was sitting next to

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Speaker 4: me demanding millions of it's so important too, we understand

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Speaker 4: demanding millions of dollars from Chinese Communist Party cutouts. This

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Speaker 4: isn't if they were demanding, as we've said, seven million

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Speaker 4: you know, South Korea.

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Speaker 2: Or that's unlikely to be in a feud. Yeah, Alice,

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Speaker 2: it's not war. It would be gross, it would be unseemly.

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Speaker 2: But this goes to a whole other level of this

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Speaker 2: is our primary global adversary. Yes, you know, are Pentagon,

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Speaker 2: make no mistake about it is prepared for the possibility

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Speaker 2: there are plans in place for this and it would

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Speaker 2: this is where why I mean work backwards from this

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Speaker 2: little bit, why is it worth some Chinese businessman's time

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Speaker 2: and ten million dollars to be talking to Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: about anything? Because it's steering US policy and the US

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Speaker 3: It's not even just because they're going to say he

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Speaker 3: wasn't even an office during this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But if Joe Biden gets on the phone with

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Speaker 4: the head of a Senate Foreign Relations committee, if he

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Speaker 4: of US policy abroad, or involved in making these kinds

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Speaker 4: of determinations for the US when it comes to China,

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Speaker 4: that can have an enormous impact. And everyone knows that

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Speaker 4: Clay FARA, the Foreign Agent Registration Act wasn't used for

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Speaker 4: a long time as a criminal law. Have notes on

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Speaker 4: the books it was used against Trump officials. But it's

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Speaker 4: it's fascinating because what Biden and his son have done

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Speaker 4: here is a one case.

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Speaker 2: Justification for why FARA should exist. Because if you're an

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Speaker 2: and you are taking ten million dollars from China, an

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Speaker 2: do things that China wants. That needs to be public.

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Speaker 4: Record, and we also need to look at is that just,

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Speaker 4: you know, flatly illegal in and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Imagine in the nineteen eighties, Buck, when we were in

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Speaker 2: the Cold War, if one of Ronald Reagan's children had

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Speaker 2: been taking money from Russia and saying whatever you need

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Speaker 2: from Russia, day, the Reagan family will make it happen.

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Speaker 3: Just just think about it.

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Speaker 2: Just think about what the reaction would have been if

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Speaker 2: this were Donald Trump Junior and these were text messages

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Speaker 2: that he had sent WhatsApp message is that he had

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Speaker 2: sent to Russia saying this and Buck, there's a huge

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Speaker 2: additional element to this story. The New York Times do

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Speaker 2: you see this? The New York Times came out and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: we've independently confirmed that the allegations made by this whistleblower, Shapley,

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Speaker 2: the IRS investigator, We've independently confirmed that he is correct

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Speaker 2: that there were not allowed to be charges brought in

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Speaker 2: California over Hunter Biden. So we have got i mean,

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Speaker 2: a mushroom cloud of in the New York Times independently,

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Speaker 4: Two things on this one is everybody should keep in

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Speaker 4: mind that none of this is surprising. We've been sitting

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Speaker 4: system was trying to protect Hunter Biden. Now it's just

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Speaker 4: a function of we can prove it right now. It's

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Speaker 4: that the data is there. But this is the narrative

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Speaker 4: same way that those of us who spent years telling

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Speaker 4: you Russia collusion was a total fabrication were proven right

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Speaker 4: when all of the facts came out the Biden family

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Speaker 4: selling access to China and undermining the United States' interest

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Speaker 4: in the process, which is really a grave ethical as

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Speaker 4: well as legal crime. That's all coming forward now with

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Speaker 4: facts to support the narrative that we've known was there

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Speaker 4: all along because of the early indicators. But here's the

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Speaker 4: It's not summer of twenty twenty four. It's a long

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Speaker 4: way out, and they're getting all this stuff out now.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at the way the Hunter Biden

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Speaker 4: all this information and the plea bargain and everything that's

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Speaker 4: gone down, I think they're trying to get this done

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Speaker 4: early enough, buried enough legally and politically that by next

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Speaker 4: summer they just memory their memory, holding the whole thing

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Speaker 4: and hoping that they can move on, just like they

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Speaker 4: moved on from getting everything wrong on COVID. This is

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Speaker 4: my concern is, Yeah, there's this avalanche, right. No one

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Speaker 4: can vote now, no one can vote this fall. It's

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Speaker 4: not going to change, it's not gonna move the needle.

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Speaker 4: We've got almost a year and a half to go,

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Speaker 4: and they're gonna just work through all this it'll be

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean. I think there's a purge of

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Speaker 4: And they also know that if they get this stuff

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Speaker 4: legally finished up, it makes it harder. I mean, because

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Speaker 4: right now, any Republicans should be running saying I will

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Speaker 4: appoint a special counsel to look into Biden corruption. Every

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Speaker 2: She's probably going to accept the plea agreement, but maybe

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Speaker 1: Keeping it real, chefing it honest. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: All right, Clay, you had a question that you wanted

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Speaker 2: So, Buck, one of the things that troubles me the

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Speaker 4: Oh, there are so many reasons we could start with

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Speaker 3: So this is why I could never work in government,

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Speaker 4: Would just funny, you have more faith in the government

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Speaker 2: Actually, because I've always been in private industry. Let me

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Speaker 4: They all knew, which means that FBI director under Trump knew,

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Speaker 2: I just that's the part of this. It's one thing

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Speaker 2: But the fact that there were let's say, seven, eight, ten,

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Speaker 3: Has me infuriated.

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Speaker 4: Still, Clay's getting a little government bureaucracy redpill going on here.

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Speaker 3: I like it. Welcome back to.

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Speaker 4: Everybody here across the country who's hanging out with us

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Speaker 4: on Clay and Buck. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin is

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Speaker 4: with us right now. Senator Johnson, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Well, guys, glad to be on. Just found out this

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Speaker 4: People should go check out Clayanbuck dot com are also

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Speaker 3: Out, Senator Johnson, Let's start with this.

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Speaker 4: Clay and I spent a lot of the first hour

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Speaker 6: Well, I mentioned this Monday night on a TV head

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Speaker 6: the judge simply should not accept this plea agreement. Now,

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Speaker 5: I mean, they are pretty convoluted.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, Senator Ron Johnson, we're excited that he's got

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Speaker 2: I want to play you in this cut. This is

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Speaker 3: I want to play it for you. Here's what he said.

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Speaker 7: Wisconsin's Republican Senator Ron Johnson put out a statement on

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Speaker 7: Homeland Security letterhead saying Hunter Biden, together with other Biden

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Speaker 8: None whatsoever. This is the same garbage Drudy Giuliani, Trump's henchman.

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Speaker 8: It's the lastest effort in this desperate campaign to smear

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Speaker 3: Ron should be ashamed of himself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Senator Johnson, he says, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Speaker 2: A little bit two and a half years later, everything

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Speaker 2: What would you like to say now? Because I bet

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Speaker 2: you don't get to talk to Joe Biden very often.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not his favorite US Senator. Listen, the President

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Speaker 6: He's part of a corrupt Biden family. They're profiting off

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Speaker 6: earlier in the program you guys were talking about, you know,

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Speaker 6: we had a concerted campaign run against Santa Grassley and

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Speaker 6: I in the New meting more than hundred articles accusing

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Speaker 6: US of soliciting and assembiting Russian disinformation. You know, the

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Speaker 6: FBI briefed us unslicited briefing in August of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 6: said that we were a target of Russian disinformation? Where

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Speaker 6: did all that come from? Who orchestrated that? And of

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Speaker 6: course had an impact And this isn't widely known, but

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Speaker 6: we were offered Hunter's computer the day after we issued

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Speaker 6: our report in September of twenty twenty. But because all

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Speaker 6: these claims of Russian disinformation sounded like pretty odd story,

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Speaker 6: we didn't know the stole and property. So guess who

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Speaker 6: we went to. We went to the FBI to determine

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Speaker 6: is this authentic? And for two or three weeks they

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Speaker 6: gave us the run around. We never took possession of

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Speaker 6: that the computer. In the end, mackays that got impatient

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Speaker 6: turned that over to Ruge Giuliani in the.

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Speaker 5: New York Post.

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Speaker 6: But again, the FBI should have told the President pro ten,

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Speaker 6: the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, the chairman of

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Speaker 6: Homeland Security, that that they had the computer that is authentic.

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Speaker 6: They should have total stand as soon as we contacted,

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Speaker 6: But they gave us to run around.

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Speaker 5: They cover up the Bidens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is so important what you just told us.

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Speaker 2: Who ordered the code red effectively in your opinion, to

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Speaker 2: protect the Bidens because we now know that the FBI

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Speaker 2: knew within a couple of weeks of taking possession of

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Speaker 2: this laptop in December twenty nineteen that it was one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent real, and they were still engaging in the

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Speaker 2: fiction that it was Russian disinformation and actually trying to

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Speaker 2: get you colored as someone who was propagating Russian disinformation?

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Speaker 2: Who ordered the Code red? Shouldn't every American need to

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Speaker 2: know that in order to have any faith and confidence

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Speaker 2: at all in our justice system.

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Speaker 6: Well, again, that's the sixty four thousand dollars question, you know,

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Speaker 6: all right, Now you can do is is assume, and

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Speaker 6: you have to assume based on knowledge. I mean, the

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Speaker 6: fact is the FBI knew that in December twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you go back to their corruption. Look at

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Speaker 6: what they knew about the Russian clue hoax. You know,

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Speaker 6: they knew that they're the sub source for the steel

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Speaker 6: doss was somebody they were investigating as a Russian spy,

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Speaker 6: and yet they said nothing about it. They allowed the

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Speaker 6: investigation continue, they allowed for the Mueller Special Counsel investigation.

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Speaker 5: So the FBI has been corrupt.

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Speaker 6: I had the subpoena Christopher Ray to get information on

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Speaker 6: that corrupt investigation. I didn't get squat from Christopher Ray.

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Speaker 6: So again, this is so much larger story than just

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Speaker 6: the Biden family corruption, as troubling as that is, as

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Speaker 6: much as that compromised the United States President, I mean

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Speaker 6: the complicity and corruption of the mainstream media, of federal

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Speaker 6: law enforcement, of our intelligence agencies. This is a much

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Speaker 6: larger story and there's so many questions that are unanswered.

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Speaker 4: Senator Ron Johnson with us now and Senator you are

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Speaker 4: quoted here in a piece in the UK's Guardian. PGA

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Speaker 4: and Saudi backed Live merger in enormous flux. So this

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Speaker 4: is about the golf stuff. Tell me about this so

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Speaker 4: I can impress Clay and bring it up later.

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Speaker 6: Well it is, I mean, now, somebody's leap their five

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Speaker 6: page tentative agreement. The only thing that's binding on that

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Speaker 6: is that they dropped the lawsuits and prejudice and they

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Speaker 6: can't bring him back up.

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Speaker 5: But you know, the PGA is fighting for his life.

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Speaker 6: I think Live might be ready to throw in the

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Speaker 6: towel here.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I really don't believe Congress should be playing a role

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Speaker 6: in this at all. But I'm ranking member on the

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Speaker 6: Permanent Subcommitte Investigation. The chairman of the committee has decided

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Speaker 6: to hold a hearing and do an investigation, so I've

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Speaker 6: got a responsibility to be involved in that. But I'm

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Speaker 6: going to do everything I can to make sure that

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Speaker 6: Congress's role is constructive. I'm a real lover of the

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Speaker 6: game of golf. I wish I was a better golfer,

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Speaker 6: but I love watching golf. I appreciate the perfection, the

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Speaker 6: excellence of the players, the meritoxy the golf is and

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Speaker 6: I just want to see the game be successful going forward.

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Speaker 2: Senator, thanks for that, and I wish I was a

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Speaker 2: lot better at golf too. I think the last time

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Speaker 2: I played I posted about a on eighteen, so it

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Speaker 2: was a rough round. I got a question for you

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Speaker 2: all about this, this dishonesty in the FBI and Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice. I know you're in the Senate side, and

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Speaker 2: I know the House would have to initiate impeachment proceedings,

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Speaker 2: but what do you think they should do? Should Merit

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Speaker 2: Garland be impeached, should Joe Biden be impeached. We know

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Speaker 2: they're not going to get removed. The votes aren't there

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Speaker 2: in the Senate, but should that happen, and what would

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Speaker 2: it be? What would it mean to do that? From

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Speaker 2: your perspective as a senator who would get to hear

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Speaker 2: this trial, the most.

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Speaker 5: Important thing would be the impeachment inquiry the hearings. But

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Speaker 5: you need documentation from first. I mean, I want to

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Speaker 5: encourage more whistleblowers to come forward.

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Speaker 6: The reason we're gaining this information now, I mean you

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Speaker 6: sender Grass and we laid out all the vast webin

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Speaker 6: financial entanglements of the Bidens. We laid out how corrupt

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Speaker 6: they are. I certainly did need any more evidence. The

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Speaker 6: American public have these seen, it probably wouldn't need any

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Speaker 6: more evidence, but we'll need more evidence as much as this.

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Speaker 6: The House can gather through subpoenis, through additional whistleblowers coming forward,

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Speaker 6: and then hold the hearings holding peace for hearings on Garland,

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Speaker 6: holding peaks for hearings on Mayarcus, on Blencoln, who lied

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Speaker 6: to us saying you never emailed Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 5: The hearings would be extremely important and revealing.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, we got him

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Speaker 2: for six more years. We're happy about that, Senator, appreciate

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Speaker 2: the time. Good luck on the golf course, stay well.

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Speaker 1: More on the podcast Clay and Buck podcast Deep Dives.

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Speaker 4: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody,

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Speaker 4: Thank you for being here with us. Eight hundred two

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Speaker 4: two eight a two. Former marine Daniel Penny pleads not

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Speaker 4: guilty in the death on the subway from a chokehold

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Speaker 4: of Jordan Neely. That headline today because Daniel Penny was

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Speaker 4: at court earlier today to put in his place. Second

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Speaker 4: in prison if he were to be convicted on both counts.

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Speaker 4: So this is a moment in time where we're seeing

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Speaker 4: that the authorities in New York City in this case,

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Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg, the district attorney here, and also the mayor

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Speaker 4: Eric Adams, are taking aside. In essence, they're allowing this

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Speaker 4: to go forward. They've made a determination that people that

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Speaker 4: step in and try to prevent career criminals, which is

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Speaker 4: what Jordan Nearly was, a man who had been arrested

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Speaker 4: many times for violent crimes, for sexual offenses, a man

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Speaker 4: who recently threatened to, according to a passenger of the subway,

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Speaker 4: pushed somebody in front of him oncoming subway car, who

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Speaker 4: had punched an elderly woman in the face, shattering her

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Speaker 4: eye socket and breaking her nose. No reason, just felt

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Speaker 4: like shattering an old lady's nose on the subway. That

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Speaker 4: we're going to treat somebody who is not even the

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Speaker 4: only individual who.

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Speaker 3: Thought that Neely was a threat.

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Speaker 4: There was a man, a black man, who stepped in

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Speaker 4: as well to help. You don't hear a lot of

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Speaker 4: talk about that that he tried to hold Neely down

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Speaker 4: because he was also considering him a threat, because Neely

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Speaker 4: faces on the subway. Car Clay, It's interesting to see

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Speaker 4: for a lot of New Yorkers that I think all

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Speaker 4: across the country that the new system that we have

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Speaker 4: in place is you are not only subjected to higher

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Speaker 4: crime rates in these Democrat enclaves, but if you do

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Speaker 4: anything about it, you are the criminal and the full

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Speaker 4: force of the law will come down on your head.

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Speaker 4: This trial is going to be watched by people all

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Speaker 4: across the country, and I think it's going to have

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Speaker 4: major implications for the discussion around crime going into twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four, because Democrats increasingly want to make self defense illegal.

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Speaker 4: If the state decides that social justice means you are murdered,

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Speaker 4: you are raped and killed, you are robbed in your home,

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Speaker 4: the state makes that determination. The collective has spoken, that's

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Speaker 4: what we're supposed to see.

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Speaker 2: Let's take it into individual decisions that people are making,

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Speaker 2: and in particular, I'll talk about my own life situation.

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Speaker 3: Buck. We did the show Friday in New York City.

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Speaker 2: You know, in some people who followed me on social

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Speaker 2: media have seen I took three twelve year olds with

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Speaker 2: another dad to Yankee Stadium. I was staying in Midtown,

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Speaker 2: the kids. We went and watched a Yankee game. It

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Speaker 2: was fantastic, had an awesome time. Went to watch them

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Speaker 2: play against the Mariners. I asked a couple different people

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Speaker 2: in the hotel and also around Fox News. I was like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: would you get on the subway with twelve year olds

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Speaker 2: and just ride out.

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Speaker 3: To Yankee Stadium?

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Speaker 2: And overwhelmingly they said, get in a car, Get in

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Speaker 2: a car, take the car to Yankee Stadium. They said,

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Speaker 2: several years ago, I would have told you hop on

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Speaker 2: the subway, you will be fine. I talked to the

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Speaker 2: other twelve year old's dad. He was like, I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine telling either of our wives if we took these

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Speaker 2: twelve year old boys on the subway and something happened.

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Speaker 2: The first thing they would say is why in the

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Speaker 2: world were you on the subway? They would never say.

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Speaker 2: If you're in an uber and you're driving and there's

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Speaker 2: an accident, they would never say, why in the world

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Speaker 2: were you in the uber. Now, this is just a

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Speaker 2: personal decision that I made as a dad with a

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Speaker 2: couple of other twelve year olds go into a baseball

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Speaker 2: stadium in New York City. But to me, Bucket's representative

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Speaker 2: of the decisions that so many parents, and so many grandparents,

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Speaker 2: and so many people in their own lives are making

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Speaker 2: every day. And what else did I ask you? Buck

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Speaker 2: On Friday we were in our studio in Midtown. I

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Speaker 2: had a couple of the twelve year olds here. They

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Speaker 2: said they were bored. They were playing Hide and Go

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Speaker 2: Sneak on the iHeart Radio studio floors, and I said,

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Speaker 2: should I let them go outside and walk a couple

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Speaker 2: of blocks up to the Major League Baseball Store. For

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Speaker 2: those of you who are familiar with it, My boys

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Speaker 2: are big Major League Baseball fans. There's a great Major

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Speaker 2: League Baseball store on Sixth Avenue, huge store that they

657
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Speaker 2: are super excited. There's baseball cards, there's baseball jerseys. It's

658
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Speaker 2: a fabulous little store to go into big store. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I went after our show on Friday and met a

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Speaker 2: ton of our listeners there, Buck, So I appreciate everybody

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Speaker 2: who came up and said hi to me in that

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball store. Buck, What did you tell me?

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Speaker 2: You can't ask your opinion.

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Speaker 4: That you asked me, as a born and raised New Yorker,

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Speaker 4: whether you could let your twelve year olds walk around Midtown?

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Speaker 2: You know, on attended a few blocks, just a few

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Speaker 2: blocks up to that store. What did you say?

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Speaker 3: I said no?

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Speaker 4: And you know what, I asked my parents who still

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Speaker 4: live in Manhattan about this, Yeah, and they said that

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Speaker 4: was the right move. And after you asked me this question,

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Speaker 4: Carrie sent me a photo from down in the West

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Speaker 4: Village of Manhattan where a shirtless maniac was walking.

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Speaker 3: She saw this.

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Speaker 4: This wasn't like the same day, same day, shirtless maniac

676
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Speaker 4: walking up and spitting in people's faces on the street

677
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Speaker 4: just because just because he felt like it. Now he

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Speaker 4: can do that knowing that nobody is armed, because if

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Speaker 4: you are, it's illegal.

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Speaker 2: Times Square is a gun free zone everybody, So all

681
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Speaker 2: the criminals and all the gang members know.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that illegal firearm.

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Speaker 4: It's like extra super illegal because of the sign in

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Speaker 4: Times Square, and they know that if they do it.

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Speaker 4: If you get into a scrap on the street with

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Speaker 4: a lunatic who spits in your face, your wife's face,

687
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Speaker 4: and you lay hands on him to defend yourself, Alvin

688
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Speaker 4: Bragg's gonna lock you up, depending on how that goes.

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Speaker 3: That's the city that we live in now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think this is so interesting, Buck, because

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Speaker 2: a big part of being a parent is trying to

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Speaker 2: get your kids comfortable with being a little bit uncomfortable, right,

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Speaker 2: And I know every parent out there understands this, whether

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Speaker 2: it's teaching a kid how to swim, or whether it's

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Speaker 2: teaching a kid how to get home. And so I went,

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Speaker 2: and I'm always thinking about this because the boys, my

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Speaker 2: middle one's about to be in seventh grade right, he's rising,

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Speaker 2: he's going to be thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Years old soon.

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Speaker 2: At what age do you start to introduce them into

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Speaker 2: the dangers that might exist in the world at large,

702
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: because you don't want to keep them completely sheltered. And

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, Buck, You know, I like

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Speaker 2: the idea of teaching a kid to be self sufficient,

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Speaker 2: but I think there are a lot of parents out

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Speaker 2: there who also in the back of their head. Because

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Speaker 2: of all this t I think differently, and I'll give

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Speaker 2: you an example of what I did. That evening. We

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Speaker 2: went to go see this new Harry Potter. It's not new,

710
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: it's been out for a little while. The Harry Potter

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00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: play on Broadway. It's fantastic. I really enjoyed it. I

712
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Speaker 2: love jk Rowling, by the way, because she's been willing

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00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: to speak out against this gender identity craziness, even though

714
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: it's been very consequential in terms of the attacks on her.

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00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: And then, you know, coming out, I said, Okay, you've

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Speaker 2: got to get us back to the hotel, and so

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Speaker 2: I just put my twelve year old in charge. Hey,

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Speaker 2: walk around in the city, figure out how you're going

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Speaker 2: to go, stay within sight distance of him so that

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Speaker 2: I can see everything that's going on, but let him

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Speaker 2: go the wrong way and have to learn how to

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Speaker 2: correct his direction. I think there are lots of parents

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Speaker 2: out there that are this helicopter parenting buck because you

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Speaker 2: see the violence and you are so concerned about it

725
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Speaker 2: that it's leading to a situation where you don't feel

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Speaker 2: like the Daniel Pennies of the world are out there

727
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Speaker 2: willing to protect your kids. You don't feel like they're

728
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Speaker 2: going to step up in the event that somebody does

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Speaker 2: something inappropriate because they're afraid that they're gonna end up

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Speaker 2: being the target. And that, to me is the ultimate

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Speaker 2: lesson of the Daniel Penny situation. We need Daniel Penny's

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Speaker 2: We need men twenty thirty year old men who are

733
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Speaker 2: strong and capable of protecting people who are weaker to

734
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Speaker 2: do what he did. And when you try to put

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Speaker 2: him in prison, you tell people that's the wrong decision,

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Speaker 2: and you make violence more common.

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Speaker 4: Now, I would just I would point out that while

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Speaker 4: this was, while this happened this morning, a lot of

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Speaker 4: people are still.

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Speaker 3: Learning about a different case. Now.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that you'll see that's different in

742
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Speaker 4: this case is Daniel Penny is white and Jordan Neely

743
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Speaker 4: was black.

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Speaker 3: That's the only reason we know about it, Buck.

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Speaker 4: This is why it's got national attention, and this is

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Speaker 4: why they are throwing basically the maximum possible charges at rent,

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Speaker 4: the maximum nineteen years in prison. Everybody, Okay, plenty of

748
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: people for Hain's crimes don't get anywhere near nineteen years.

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Speaker 4: That's what he could be sentenced to here, Okay, a

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Speaker 4: George Soros backed prosecutor. Kim fox Is the prosecutor has

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Speaker 4: dropped all charges in Chicago in the case of Carlicia Hood.

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Speaker 3: Now you may not.

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Speaker 4: Have heard of this story, this case, but we're going

754
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Speaker 4: to tell you about it. Now we'll get into a

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Speaker 4: little more of a legal analysis of it. There is

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Speaker 4: video of this. Carlicia Hood was waiting at a fast

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Speaker 4: food restaurant in Chicago and this was on This was

758
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Speaker 4: a little over a week ago. It's gotten a lot

759
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Speaker 4: of tension because the videos out now so people can see.

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Speaker 4: Jeremy Brown, who is now deceased, got into an argument

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Speaker 4: with Carlicia Hood. Now she's a mother. Carlicia's fourteen year

762
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Speaker 4: old son was there. Carlicia told her fourteen year old

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Speaker 4: son to go to her car. At some point during

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Speaker 4: this argument she had with this guy, Jeremy Brown, in

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Speaker 4: line go to the car and get my gun. So

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Speaker 4: now she was lie instead of a gun, which is pretty

767
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Speaker 4: rare in Chicago, but she was licensed to have this gun.

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Speaker 4: Go to my car, get my gun. Jeremy Brown punches

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Speaker 4: viciously three times in the face, punches Carly Shohood, this woman,

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Speaker 4: and it's all on video. Now her son. She tells

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Speaker 4: her son, you know, base or her son makes the decision,

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Speaker 4: open fire. So he starts. He doesn't say stop, he

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Speaker 4: doesn't say I'm calling the police. He opens fire on

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Speaker 4: Jeremy Brown. Now someone's hitting my mom, and you know

775
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: it's a man hitting a woman. I'm there, okay, but Jeremy,

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Speaker 4: so I can understand that part of it. It's close

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Speaker 4: because really, you know, lethal force being used. But I

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Speaker 4: think I think that that's you could make the case

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Speaker 4: lethal force is justified because you know, punching a woman

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Speaker 4: in the face, you could, you know, you could break.

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Speaker 2: He's also fourteen buckets, unlikely that he can fight like

782
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Speaker 2: in total man.

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Speaker 3: But I'm saying, but.

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Speaker 4: Then Jeremy Brown runs out of the restaurant. This guy

785
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Speaker 4: after being shot, and the fourteen year old guns him

786
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 4: down further outside the restaurant in the parking lot because

787
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Speaker 4: his mom told him to.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's important here too.

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Speaker 4: The mother also said this is according to reports, including

791
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Speaker 4: the Daily Mail, she's getting litigious. Just so you know,

792
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 4: she's already suing the prosecutors, which that's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: But yeah.

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Speaker 2: The mother also said to shoot a bystander woman who

795
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: was laughing when she was getting punched. She, according to

796
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Speaker 2: The Daily Mail, instructed the son, who is fourteen, to

797
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Speaker 2: shoot somebody else who was present. Now, she was initially

798
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Speaker 2: arrested and charged with murder and contributing in feloty contributing

799
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Speaker 2: to the delinquency of a minor.

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Speaker 4: Kim Fox saw this video, all charges dropped. All the

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Speaker 4: individuals involved here, the mother, the son, and the now

802
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Speaker 4: deceased assailant, Jeremy Brown. They're all black, and Kim Fox

803
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Speaker 4: decided that there are no charges of any kind to

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Speaker 4: be filed here anymore. She's dropped all the charges.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm just comparing this because, generally speaking, in self defense law,

807
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Speaker 2: if someone is running away from you and they've already

808
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: been shot, and you decide to keep shooting them in

809
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: the back while they're running away, it's pretty In a

810
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: public venue, it's not a home.

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Speaker 4: There's no castle doctor in here, it's pretty hard to

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Speaker 4: claim self defense.

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Speaker 3: Now.

814
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Speaker 4: I guess they're gonna say he's fourteen, he can't know

815
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Speaker 4: these things, but the mother instructed him to shoot. At

816
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: least that's what's been reported, and there's no charges here,

817
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Speaker 4: So I think it's fair to ask Okay, So what

818
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 4: exactly is self defense law in America today and how

819
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: much Clay is it influenced by politics? How much is

820
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Speaker 4: it influenced by the race of the victim, the race

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Speaker 4: of the person, or I should say the race of

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Speaker 4: the person using force and the race of the person

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Speaker 4: receiving that use of force.

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Speaker 2: I think a massive amount. And this is my biggest issue.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about this when we come back, because I

826
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Speaker 2: think this case, in conjunction with the Penny case, is

827
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Speaker 2: so utterly fascinating, and I use this analogy all the time,

828
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Speaker 2: but I think it's so important.

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Speaker 4: Initial reports I can kind of tell you this, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: initial reports. This is just one very clear initial reports

831
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Speaker 4: by the Chicago Defender kind of a local journalist who

832
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: put this video out reported Hood ordered her son to

833
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Speaker 4: shoot Brown as well as to shoot his girlfriend, the

834
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Speaker 4: deceased girlfriend who was laughing when he was punching. But now,

835
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Speaker 4: of course Hood is disputing that that happened. But those

836
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Speaker 4: are all the initial reports.

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Speaker 2: So the reason I use this analogy, Buck is Lady

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Speaker 2: Justice's bline for a reason. To a large extent, almost

839
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Speaker 2: all of the lack of trust that I have in

840
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Speaker 2: the Justice Department is about disparate treatment based on who

841
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: the defendant or who the accused is right an unbelievable amount.

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Speaker 2: I think, to your point, who you are matters in

843
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Speaker 2: terms of what justice you face. Whether it's Hunter Biden,

844
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Speaker 2: whether it's Daniel Penny, whether it's this in a restaurant

845
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Speaker 2: at McDonald's. I think in a McDonald's in the Chicago area.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about it when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Speaking Truth and having Fun Clay Travis and Buck Sexton