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Speaker 3: Will Tiger win another major?
Speaker 5: Right now, ninety five percent of the audience are saying no,
Speaker 5: probably one of the more lopsided poll questions we've ever had.
Speaker 2: I don't blame them for that voting that way. I
Speaker 2: think if you said, will he win another tournament? Because
Speaker 2: he's not going to win another major even if he
Speaker 2: was going to be healthy, I wouldn't have him winning
Speaker 2: a major. But if you said, will Tiger win another tournament?
Speaker 2: Coming back from Achille surgery? And once again, the way
Speaker 2: they're framing this is it's not like a severe Achilles injury.
Speaker 2: I don't believe like minor surgery is when surgery is
Speaker 2: on somebody else, not you. If you go in and
Speaker 2: he already had the surgery, now you begin the rehab process,
Speaker 2: probably going to be in a cast, and you're probably
Speaker 2: going to be out for at least nine to twelve months.
Speaker 2: And then can you get back into the battle mode,
Speaker 2: the grinding mode, And that's what this is all about.
Speaker 2: We might see the finished product again where you go, man,
Speaker 2: he looks pretty good. Everything that's going to go into
Speaker 2: I mean, this is where it just defeats you. Having
Speaker 2: had as many surgeries as I have, and I'm not
Speaker 2: coming back for anything. It just gets lonely, it's dark,
Speaker 2: and you're just going is it worth it? This is
Speaker 2: what I would think an athlete would be thinking later
Speaker 2: in his career. For me, it was just trying to
Speaker 2: hey can I walk again. I'll get a knee replacement
Speaker 2: or get my shoulder done again. It was just to
Speaker 2: be healthy. He's trying to come back and play at
Speaker 2: an elite level, and to be able to do that
Speaker 2: at this age, with all the mileage on that body,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think we had Julian Edelman on once. I
Speaker 5: think it was him, and he talked about the loneliness
Speaker 5: of an injury, that recovery process. You're by yourself, you're
Speaker 5: away from the team, you're not doing all of the
Speaker 5: normal things of your autem. I would guess even in
Speaker 5: an individual sport like golf, it's the same thing. You're
Speaker 5: not on tour, you're not going to all the different events.
Speaker 5: You're just rehabbing by yourself, and the loneliness must be tough.
Speaker 2: Well, he's a secretive person to begin with. How many
Speaker 2: people are coming over to his house. You're probably going
Speaker 2: to have a trainer, maybe inner circle. But that's it.
Speaker 2: But it's a grind every day, same thing.
Speaker 3: Do this?
Speaker 6: Do that?
Speaker 2: Can't do this? Push it a little bit more, add
Speaker 2: a little more weight. Can you put some pressure on it?
Speaker 2: Can you swing? Can you swing fully? Like all of
Speaker 2: those things are going to go through his head? And
Speaker 2: plus it's on his left side, his left leg, that's
Speaker 2: your plant leg.
Speaker 3: So much torque involved in that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to bet against him because I always
Speaker 2: hope that Tiger's able to play. I just want to
Speaker 2: be realistic about it. I don't think that we see
Speaker 2: Tiger winning a tournament. Maybe maybe gets to compete. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's a senior tour guy. But also he's
Speaker 2: a business guy, and you want to get you, which
Speaker 2: is your product out there in front of people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 7: I saw the response from I would say sports fans
Speaker 7: who don't really golf or love golf responding to tiger
Speaker 7: Woods announcement of his achilles yesterday, and a lot of
Speaker 7: it was how in a sport that's non contact, can
Speaker 7: certain players have that many injuries?
Speaker 6: How would you respond to that? As someone who golf's.
Speaker 3: Well, nobody swings the way Tiger does.
Speaker 2: Go back to when he first came on tour and
Speaker 2: I remember talking to Freddie Couples and he said that
Speaker 2: swing won't last. And Freddie has had his fair share
Speaker 2: of back injuries and surgeries. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: you can look at another golfer and say, boy, look
Speaker 2: at all the injuries he's had. It's been Tiger, and
Speaker 2: not all of those are golf related. I mean being
Speaker 2: in a car accident. I mean, he really pushed himself.
Speaker 2: He wanted to be a Navy seal, but he plays sport.
Speaker 2: He plays golf in a way that's different than anybody else.
Speaker 2: He played it as if it was a contact sport,
Speaker 2: and he got his body in shape, in condition, maybe
Speaker 2: too much, always change in his swing. You know, you
Speaker 2: put different pressures on different parts of your body, and
Speaker 2: you're swinging one hundred and twenty miles an hour, and
Speaker 2: you're going to do that over and over and over
Speaker 2: and over, and it just worn down. And look, there
Speaker 2: were cautionary tales. People would say, you know, you don't
Speaker 2: have to swing that hard. Sometimes you get caught up
Speaker 2: in people are coming to see me be Tiger. No,
Speaker 2: they're coming to see you win. But you get caught
Speaker 2: up in I got to play a certain way or
Speaker 2: that's the only way I can play. Tiger could have
Speaker 2: played any way he wanted to and still been competitive,
Speaker 2: maybe not dominating, but he played in a way that
Speaker 2: was so aggressive and his swing was violent. It won't
Speaker 2: hold up and it didn't. Yes, Ton, I wonder.
Speaker 4: I know it's different from one athlete to the next,
Speaker 4: but like, what is the primary motivating factor. Is it
Speaker 4: love of the game that you keep wanting to come back,
Speaker 4: especially from a bad injury, or is it just a
Speaker 4: sticker to everyone and prove everyone wrong that competitor in you.
Speaker 4: Everyone wrote me off and I'm not ready. I want
Speaker 4: to show everyone that I can come back from this,
Speaker 4: even if it's not loving the sports so much to
Speaker 4: continue playing.
Speaker 2: Well, it's his identity. I mean, I don't know his motivation.
Speaker 2: I don't know Tiger, but I would think that this
Speaker 2: is what he does. This is all he's done. He's
Speaker 2: been raised to do this, and as early as he
Speaker 2: could walk, he had a golf club in his hand.
Speaker 2: His father wanted him to be something great. His father
Speaker 2: even said that he thought his son would be a
Speaker 2: religious deity, that he would be bigger. He's more than
Speaker 2: just a golfer. Well he was more than just a golfer.
Speaker 2: But he's not anymore. But in your head you still think,
Speaker 2: I still think I can go out and shoot against
Speaker 2: Ray Allen. I can't, but in my mind I still
Speaker 2: do as silly as that is Steph Curry. If Steph
Speaker 2: Curry came into the man cave he said, you want
Speaker 2: to shoot? How about a competition? Hell, yes, absolutely, Now
Speaker 2: I'd get smoked. But in your mind you don't turn
Speaker 2: that off. These guys are so competitive. That's why you
Speaker 2: get guys who you know. Pete Rose had to gamble,
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan has to gamble, Like what is it that's
Speaker 2: going to feed me here? I can't go out there
Speaker 2: and torch somebody for fifty. I can't get four base hits.
Speaker 2: I can't go sliding head first. That's what motivates you
Speaker 2: and then continues to motivate you. And then when it
Speaker 2: doesn't work, you know, what do you do to get
Speaker 2: back on the field or back on the court. Guys
Speaker 2: will take whatever they can take to get back there.
Speaker 2: That's how you're conditioned. I don't think you can ever
Speaker 2: turn that off. I think in Jack Nicholas's mind he
Speaker 2: would still say, on a given day, I could go
Speaker 2: out there and I could compete.
Speaker 3: For one day.
Speaker 2: Larry Bird would probably say, hey, give me a couple
Speaker 2: of days and I could go out there and I
Speaker 2: could shoot with anybody like That's just who they are.
Speaker 2: And I respect that Tiger could easily shut this down,
Speaker 2: could have shut this down a long time ago and
Speaker 2: just rested on his laurels. But that's not who he is.
Speaker 2: He'll never be that way. And you could be successful
Speaker 2: at business, it's not the same as being successful on
Speaker 2: a golf course or a football field or a baseball field.
Speaker 2: That's your DNA. It's not like you can go in
Speaker 2: and you know, have a blood transfusion and go can
Speaker 2: you get my DNA out? Could you put something in
Speaker 2: that says I'm going to be satisfied with my career.
Speaker 3: It'll never happen. I mean, I'm extremely competitive.
Speaker 2: To this day. I don't need to be. My wife
Speaker 2: says you shouldn't be, but you don't turn it off.
Speaker 2: It's every day. That's why I say every day is
Speaker 2: a super Bowl. It has to be. That's probably the
Speaker 2: way it is for most of these athletes. And though
Speaker 2: even playing these golf tournaments twenty five years after they've
Speaker 2: played there, just as competitive. I mean, I told you
Speaker 2: the story about playing with Drew Brees. We're playing at
Speaker 2: the Tahoe Golf Event American Century. Holy smokes, it was
Speaker 2: if this was the super Bowl at stake. He was
Speaker 2: that competitive. But I appreciate that. All Right, See, let's
Speaker 2: pull question for hour two.
Speaker 3: We're going to put up there. We got two for
Speaker 3: hour two. All right, free agent quarterback?
Speaker 5: You would sign Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston, Gardener, Minshew.
Speaker 5: We also have one here from Paul whose.
Speaker 3: Career would you want? Ooh, ooh, Bob Hurley, Dan Hurley. Wow.
Speaker 2: Dan Hurley was just featured on sixty Minutes on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Bobby Hurley's trying to hold onto his job at Arizona State.
Speaker 2: So in the same week, one brother's on sixty minutes
Speaker 2: and the other one is on the hot seat. But
Speaker 2: if you look back third, you know this is like
Speaker 2: a child actor. Childhood actor, they're like, oh man, they
Speaker 2: were on totally raven or you know whatever. Throw out
Speaker 2: a Hannah Montana, Oh yeah, that's so raven, Like Haley
Speaker 2: Joel Osmon in the sixth sense and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, they grow up and they go what happened
Speaker 2: to him? Bobby Hurley was a Disney star. He was
Speaker 2: the best point guard in America. You played for Duke,
Speaker 2: you got drafted by the Kings, your NBA career cut short.
Speaker 2: But what he did in that window at Duke household
Speaker 2: name Hall of Famer. Meanwhile, Danny, I would never wish
Speaker 2: what happened to Danny Hurley on anybody, even somebody you
Speaker 2: didn't like. The shadow was enormous. He was nowhere near
Speaker 2: the basketball player of his brother that his brother was.
Speaker 2: He got mocked, they would chant not your brother, I believe,
Speaker 2: And he went through an awful lot, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden he started coaching. And you know, he's
Speaker 2: always had the chip on his shoulder. He always will
Speaker 2: because his father one of the most successful high school
Speaker 2: coaches in America in history, and then his brother with
Speaker 2: his basketball career, and then all of a sudden, Danny
Speaker 2: found his identity as a head coach, and now he's
Speaker 2: the face of college basketball. They won two national titles. Todd,
Speaker 2: you can be Bobby Hurley or Danny Hurley up until
Speaker 2: this point, right now today, I would.
Speaker 4: Say I'd rather be a championship player as opposed to
Speaker 4: championship coach. So every day I'm gonna go, uh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go Bobby Hurley winning as a player on the court,
Speaker 4: not coaching champion.
Speaker 3: Seaton Bobby all day.
Speaker 5: Like you said, I wouldn't wish what happened today any
Speaker 5: Hurley when he was eighteen to twenty well really forty
Speaker 5: something right up until he just became a great coach.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't wish that on anybody. And Bobby Hurley, he's
Speaker 5: in the position right now of you know, I just
Speaker 5: can't teach these kids to be as great as I was,
Speaker 5: you know, and maybe I'm a better player than I
Speaker 5: am a teacher, but you know I can do it.
Speaker 5: But I just I'm having a hard time showing these
Speaker 5: kids what I was able to do.
Speaker 2: And the analogy Paulie made this was a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago with Kieran Cauchin winning the Academy Award. He
Speaker 2: was in succession. He won for a Real Pain as
Speaker 2: the Best Supporting Actor and then his brother McAuley Cauchin
Speaker 2: was this unbelievable child star and you don't see him
Speaker 2: in anything but Kieran it feels like has had it's
Speaker 2: not even a resurgence. He didn't have a surgeons to
Speaker 2: have a resurgence. But McCauley Cochin was one of the
Speaker 2: biggest childhood stars ever, and so you could kind of
Speaker 2: see an analogy there with Danny Hurley and Bobby Hurley, Marvin,
Speaker 2: who do you take?
Speaker 8: I take Danny only because Bobby's prime was from nineteen
Speaker 8: to twenty two.
Speaker 2: If Danny Hurley won two national titles at Seaton Hall
Speaker 2: and not Connecticut, who would you take.
Speaker 8: I'd take the guy whose prime was later, Bob. Bobby
Speaker 8: Hurley's prime was from.
Speaker 2: So you'd still take Danny Hurley even if he wasn't
Speaker 2: coaching at your alma mater.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, okay, because it's now okay, you're talking about something
Speaker 8: that he did thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: No need to yell oh sorry, d Py forgive me, yes, Palie,
Speaker 2: it's pretty close.
Speaker 7: But I'd go with Bobby Hurley. The one caveat for
Speaker 7: Hurley is he didn't get to play five, six, seven
Speaker 7: years even as a decent point guard. Who knows if
Speaker 7: he would have been an All Star, but my guess
Speaker 7: he'd been one of those guys who played twelve years,
Speaker 7: had a nice career and it was taken away from him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've seen a car accident when he was playing
Speaker 2: for the Kings, yes, Todd.
Speaker 4: But I would also take McAuley Culkin over Kieran culchan
Speaker 4: because every Christmas that he's like a legend, even though
Speaker 4: it was years ago when he was a kid, and
Speaker 4: maybe things aren't as great for him career wise as
Speaker 4: back then. But what if you're part of something that
Speaker 4: iconic that everyone could relate to for years and years.
Speaker 4: To me, McCauley's more special.
Speaker 2: Okay, but would you want to be Peter Billingsley who
Speaker 2: was Ralphie in a Christmas story Every Christmas it plays
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a funny point too though. But Kieran Culkin
Speaker 5: is also in Home Alone. He's a little he's like
Speaker 5: the little brother, the cousin who always wets the bed. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he's also in that. Kieran was in a lot of
Speaker 5: I think McCauley's movies too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very very very secondary roles, small roles, Yeah, definitely, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he was working. I would take Danny Hurley because
Speaker 2: it is now he's won a couple of national titles,
Speaker 2: they're not going to win the national title this year,
Speaker 2: but you've gone back to back and I like how.
Speaker 2: During the sixty minutes interview, John Worthheim is asking Danny
Speaker 2: Hurley about, Hey, how many of your players are already
Speaker 2: talking to other schools about transferring? And he gives you
Speaker 2: a number. John Wortheim fails to as Danny Hurley, Hey,
Speaker 2: you're the king of the transfer portal. How many players
Speaker 2: have you spoken to about replacing the players who may
Speaker 2: be wanting to go someplace else? So he missed opportunity
Speaker 2: with John to ask, because that's what basketball is. Danny
Speaker 2: Hurley gets one big recruit and then he brings in
Speaker 2: transfer portal players.
Speaker 3: They all do that, so it's.
Speaker 2: Like he can lament the fact, Oh, I'm losing all
Speaker 2: these players. Are you losing them or do they know
Speaker 2: that maybe you want to replace them? What happens first there?
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I'm definitely gonna say replaced because I
Speaker 8: just saw the McDonald's All American listens and you kind
Speaker 8: of has three McDonald's All Americans coming in this year.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Danny Hurley probably just said, yeah, so guys, I
Speaker 8: got these three five stars coming in, So yeah, if
Speaker 8: you guys want to take a look at other schools,
Speaker 8: be my guest.
Speaker 2: All right, well, talk a little bit more about Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2: He's out now for probably a year. Joey Bosa goes
Speaker 2: to Buffalo, DeAndre Hopkins to the Ravens. We still don't
Speaker 2: have an update yet on Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: But we'll talk to Dominique Foxworth, one of the smartest
Speaker 2: football minds on TV. He'll join us coming up here
Speaker 2: in a little bit. Jason Garrett, former Cowboys coach, a
Speaker 2: little bit later on as well.
Speaker 3: We'll take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 2: On Zaga in the West Coast, Conference, they beat Saint Mary's.
Speaker 3: The Zags were one for fifteen from three point range.
Speaker 2: Saint Mary's made as many threes as I did last night,
Speaker 2: for sixteen, had eighteen turn Saint Mary's going to look
Speaker 2: at this and go like, oh my god, could we
Speaker 2: have played any worse? I think they had eighteen turnovers
Speaker 2: and they didn't make a three pointer. As a Gonzaga
Speaker 2: and this is another year. What is it like thirteen
Speaker 2: or fourteen consecutive years that Gonzaga has won at least
Speaker 2: twenty five games?
Speaker 3: Remarkable? What Mark Few continues to do.
Speaker 2: He's Dominique Foxworthy, ESPN writer, commentator for Escape, and former
Speaker 2: NFL cornerback. You can see him the Dominique Foxworth Show
Speaker 2: in season football podcast three times a week, and also
Speaker 2: a regular with Get Up with h Who is that?
Speaker 2: Mike Greenberg? I think is the host of that program?
Speaker 3: Right? Is that right?
Speaker 6: Donald?
Speaker 3: Mike Greenberg? Mike Greenberg? Yeah? How you doing?
Speaker 11: I feel like there's a lot of subtexts there that
Speaker 11: I'm not gonna ask any question.
Speaker 3: No, No, I like Greeney, I like it Greedy absolutely.
Speaker 6: I like green I'm doing I'm doing really well.
Speaker 11: I do think that I heard a little bit of
Speaker 11: a life segment, and I feel like you guys are
Speaker 11: giving Bobby Hurley a little short shrift. I don't know,
Speaker 11: like it's I feel like what you're deciding between is
Speaker 11: a longer run or a higher peak, Because, to be
Speaker 11: honest with you, I was a pretty good.
Speaker 6: College football player.
Speaker 11: Can you imagine how awesome it was to be a
Speaker 11: two time national champ white basketball player in the nineties.
Speaker 6: I think that Bobby Hurley probably, I think.
Speaker 11: He probably had a good time.
Speaker 6: Dude got a pretty good time.
Speaker 2: Okay, you would rather have Bobby Hurley's career than Danny Hurley's. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I wait a minute, No, we're not.
Speaker 2: I know what Bobby did. I'm talking about. You got
Speaker 2: to make a decision. Are you gonna be Danny Hurley
Speaker 2: or you're gonna be Bobby Hurley?
Speaker 11: So is do I want to have a higher peak
Speaker 11: or a longer run? Because I think they both probably
Speaker 11: have enough money to be comfortable. Obviously Danny's made more
Speaker 11: money and as well as revered.
Speaker 6: I guess it is what.
Speaker 11: Benefits you prefer more the short run benefits you. A
Speaker 11: question the question you you advertise me as a smart guy,
Speaker 11: So I think the answer.
Speaker 6: I think the answer is probably yeah.
Speaker 11: As at forty one year old married man, the answer
Speaker 11: is Danny.
Speaker 6: I want to be Danny, and he seems like a
Speaker 6: responsible choice.
Speaker 2: All Right, would you rather be Karen Caulkin or mcaulay caulkin.
Speaker 6: It's easy.
Speaker 11: It's Karen Caulkin because being a star when you're eight
Speaker 11: like that stinks.
Speaker 6: You get extra candy, it's.
Speaker 11: Not fun, and I mean you inevitably have all these
Speaker 11: other difficulties that child's stars have. I much rather be
Speaker 11: an adult, successful Oscar winning actor than the dude from
Speaker 11: a home alone.
Speaker 2: All right, what are the Niners doing? And is it
Speaker 2: time to panic? If you're a Niner fan.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we've been thinking about this a lot because I
Speaker 11: think part of this is I don't think it's time
Speaker 11: to panic because you.
Speaker 6: Have Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, two.
Speaker 11: People that are obviously very good at their jobs, and
Speaker 11: Kyle Shanahan is going to manufacture some level of offense
Speaker 11: out of whatever he has. The real question is are
Speaker 11: they going to be able to rebuild that defense? The
Speaker 11: defense has always been kind of the quiet key to
Speaker 11: the success that they've had there, and it's fallen off
Speaker 11: recently and they lost more players. But I think the
Speaker 11: question came up, should they should they trade Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 11: and try to accrue draft picks. That's a thing that
Speaker 11: we discussed on my show, honestly, and then also on
Speaker 11: Get Up Today. And I've been fighting against the tankification
Speaker 11: of everyone in media, where it's like either you win
Speaker 11: a championship or you trade everything and blow everything up.
Speaker 11: I think that might work as a strategy in basketball
Speaker 11: and football. It just hasn't proved to be successful. If
Speaker 11: you look around at all the good competitive teams, none
Speaker 11: of them completely bottomed out their roster, well, not.
Speaker 6: Intentionally at least.
Speaker 11: I guess the Bengals might have bottomed out their roster
Speaker 11: because the Bangals just were poorly run. But all of
Speaker 11: the good successful teams like maintained some level of competence
Speaker 11: and built from that. So the idea that the forty
Speaker 11: nine ers or anybody frankly like I even would defend
Speaker 11: keeping Miles Garrett, that anybody should as a strategy just
Speaker 11: completely get rid of any semblance of competence in hopes
Speaker 11: that you'll get enough draft picks and you'll build something up.
Speaker 6: It just doesn't work in football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the Browns, but it feel they weren't
Speaker 2: even taking offers.
Speaker 6: Domini, right, Yeah, I mean I get it.
Speaker 11: I think that there's a reasonable way to go about
Speaker 11: a rebuild. I think the thing that I've come to
Speaker 11: and people talk about culture a lot, but culture is
Speaker 11: really important to big organizations in football, and to be clear,
Speaker 11: culture to me is like the accepted behaviors and activities,
Speaker 11: processes and an organization. And it is impossible to maintain
Speaker 11: a culture in a locker room of sixty players, twenty
Speaker 11: five coaches in the front offices if you are constantly
Speaker 11: throwing people out. The basketball team is slightly different. You
Speaker 11: bring in one really good player who has the proper mindset,
Speaker 11: and the culture around.
Speaker 6: The fifteen guys changes immediately.
Speaker 11: I do think there's something to be said for understanding
Speaker 11: that when you land in an organization, this is how
Speaker 11: we do things. And like I played for the Ravens,
Speaker 11: I played for the Broncos under Mike Shanahan. These were
Speaker 11: places where when I showed up, I knew how things
Speaker 11: were done and even though we weren't always great, like
Speaker 11: I understood, and you see, the Ravens are team that
Speaker 11: has had a pretty consistent leadership, and they've managed to
Speaker 11: transition from era to era and still have that culture.
Speaker 6: I think that's really important.
Speaker 11: As Steelers, you point to them, and there's a lot
Speaker 11: of teams that I think can fall into this category,
Speaker 11: and they happen to also be the teams that are
Speaker 11: consistently competitive.
Speaker 2: But do you think we've gotten to a point, though,
Speaker 2: Dominique with the Steelers that they have to do things
Speaker 2: that are not traditional, Like you brought in you spent
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and you bring in DK Metcalf,
Speaker 2: you might bring in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just feels like, hey, we can go nine and eight,
Speaker 2: and go nine and eight and again. How about we
Speaker 2: try to go ten and seven, eleven and six.
Speaker 3: How about we win a playoff game? How do we
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: How about we do something different this year?
Speaker 11: I agree with you, and I think a lot of
Speaker 11: the analytics and football has pushed everyone to try to
Speaker 11: make these risk optimizing decisions, which I think are great generally.
Speaker 11: But to your point, like leadership is sometimes making a
Speaker 11: decision with your plums, like make a decision, like an
Speaker 11: aggressive decision that flies in the face, sometimes it's going
Speaker 11: to sign a running back for more than what running
Speaker 11: backs go because in trading for Christian McCaffrey, we talk
Speaker 11: about the forty nine ers that accelerated that team, but
Speaker 11: everyone at the time was like, why would you trade
Speaker 11: for running back? And then you point to the same
Speaker 11: situation with the Falcons. Why would you draft a quarterback
Speaker 11: when you already have one that you paid a bunch
Speaker 11: of money. It seems like they're in a better position
Speaker 11: now had they just stuck with Kirk Cousins. You can
Speaker 11: go through the list of times when people have made
Speaker 11: these kind of irrational seeming decisions. But I do think
Speaker 11: that it's about making calculated gambles, and that would be
Speaker 11: in Pittsburgh. I think you're alluding to Aaron Rodgers as
Speaker 11: a selection like that. To me, as long as they
Speaker 11: are not convinced that it one works, as long as
Speaker 11: they are aware that this is a calculated gamble that
Speaker 11: they think is worth making, I think it's fine. It's
Speaker 11: one and only organizations that I think is stable enough
Speaker 11: that that can bring in some unique personalities like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Dominique Foxworth from ESPN The Dominique Foxworth Show, You can
Speaker 2: see him on Get Up with Mike Greenberg as the
Speaker 2: host of Get Up There. But if I'm Aaron Rodgers, well,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure this out. If I'm Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: how do I convince the Vikings I can make this work?
Speaker 2: And if I'm the Vikings, do I need to be
Speaker 2: convinced that this is a chance. If I'm Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: That's where I want to go. If I can get
Speaker 2: Minnesota to go, Hey, you know what, we can have
Speaker 2: a Jordan Love transition here and you come in as
Speaker 2: long as you're willing to help him get better. That
Speaker 2: makes you a whole lot more of a playoff super
Speaker 2: Bowl contender than JJ does. I think, to start out,
Speaker 2: can this work in Minnesota? Would you take that chance?
Speaker 11: I wouldn't take that chance, But I think when I
Speaker 11: am I'm not sure that it's the wrong it's not
Speaker 11: the wrong chance to take. To get back to the
Speaker 11: idea of sometimes you just got to make these kind
Speaker 11: of riskier decisions. I think when I make decisions in
Speaker 11: my life and when I'm evaluating decisions that other people
Speaker 11: have made, often think about, like, what is the worst
Speaker 11: possible outcome of either of these forks? In the road
Speaker 11: that I go down, and which of these worst possible
Speaker 11: outcomes am I more comfortable living with? And I think
Speaker 11: that's how you can look at it, because you can realize,
Speaker 11: like this, this could turn out really bad. And that's
Speaker 11: why if I were the Vikings, I wouldn't choose Aaron
Speaker 11: Rodgers as my bridge quarterback because I think the worst
Speaker 11: possible outcome.
Speaker 6: Is one that I'm not comfortable living with.
Speaker 11: If I don't go Aaron Rodgers, the worst possible outcome
Speaker 11: is we were wrong on JJ McCarthy and we don't
Speaker 11: make a championship run and we're back looking for a
Speaker 11: quarterback next year. I like that a little more than
Speaker 11: what happened to the last organization that Aaron Rodgers joined.
Speaker 3: As a former defensive back.
Speaker 2: Tell me, and I don't know if you've broken this
Speaker 2: down to be fair to you, but tell me what
Speaker 2: you see with cam Ward and tell me what you
Speaker 2: see with Shador Sanders. Yeah, and the separation between those two.
Speaker 2: The big biggest differences are what.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there are trends that happened in the league and
Speaker 11: at one point, Shador standards would have been a much
Speaker 11: more attractive option, I think in this league because of
Speaker 11: how he feels like a more trustworthy, conventional, consistent type
Speaker 11: of player. But what we've seen recently in the league
Speaker 11: is the high end athleticism and explosiveness and the big playability.
Speaker 11: The creativity is what's going to drive you to the
Speaker 11: top of draft, and that's what it is with cam Ward.
Speaker 11: You're going to get the high end in the low
Speaker 11: and and as much as I think turnovers are an
Speaker 11: incredible predictor of who's gonna succeed in the game, which
Speaker 11: more what is more important that is big plays.
Speaker 6: So I will take.
Speaker 11: The turnovers occasionally, the inconsistent play and hope that we
Speaker 11: can coach it out of them and be really happy
Speaker 11: to have the high end explosiveness with his legs in
Speaker 11: with his arms, like the throws that cam Ward is
Speaker 11: making and the plays that he makes his highlight tape,
Speaker 11: it's as good as anybody you see. If you pick
Speaker 11: out his ten best plays, you would assume that he
Speaker 11: is being revered like Caleb Williams was last year. He
Speaker 11: has that type of ability, and I think that's the
Speaker 11: difference is teams are willing to take the risk of
Speaker 11: the downside because the upside risk or the upside potential
Speaker 11: is so great.
Speaker 2: But I don't understand where a team goes. We got
Speaker 2: to get a quarterback, and you will spend a top
Speaker 2: ten draft pick on maybe Shude or Sanders, but you're
Speaker 2: not sure whereas I could there a guy that I
Speaker 2: know are going to play in the league probably for
Speaker 2: seven to ten years and probably be all pro. Right,
Speaker 2: But I think, why do Jams continue to do this
Speaker 2: that you don't have to get your quarterback this year?
Speaker 2: Why not get a player that like if you say
Speaker 2: I have Abdul Carter, I feel pretty good, Yeah, Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good. I like there's probably seven to
Speaker 2: ten of those guys that you can name right away,
Speaker 2: and you go like, I'm good here.
Speaker 11: I wholeheartedly agree with you. The problem is the other strategy,
Speaker 11: essentially the lottery ticket strategy, Like Jayden Daniels. You just
Speaker 11: have to see it once every ten years for a
Speaker 11: coach or an organization to fall like like Washington. I
Speaker 11: live in Washington, DC. Washington was very far away from
Speaker 11: being competitive. Jayden Daniels shows up there in the NFC
Speaker 11: Championship game, and I think that coaches and general manders
Speaker 11: see that, and then we look at Miles Garrett Miles.
Speaker 11: Garrett could be considered one of the best defensive players ever,
Speaker 11: and you would have traded him, honestly for a consistent
Speaker 11: starter at quarterback. The impact of your team would have
Speaker 11: been greater if you had, like a legitimate consistent starter
Speaker 11: at quarterback then having an all time great defensive end.
Speaker 11: That's as outrageous as it is. Like that, I think
Speaker 11: explains I don't know that it is. I don't know
Speaker 11: if it's the right decision, but I think that explains
Speaker 11: why teams are so willing to roll the dice.
Speaker 2: But Shador is not Jayden Daniels, right, Jayden Daniels is
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. Everybody talked about his talent. That's why when
Speaker 2: people are like Washington's fine, They're gonna sit at number
Speaker 2: two because they knew what they had at number two,
Speaker 2: and Caleb Williams can turn out to be a great quarterback,
Speaker 2: that draft was different.
Speaker 11: I mean, I think, right I would push back on
Speaker 11: you because like, who's the Let's say, Geno Smith is
Speaker 11: like a mediocre quarterback, as stupid as it may sound
Speaker 11: to you, and it does sound to me, as I
Speaker 11: fixed my lips to say it, Geno Smith playing mediocre
Speaker 11: quarterback play will improve your team's success more than someone
Speaker 11: like Miles Garrett. So like I understand that if they
Speaker 11: get a quarterback that is a legitimate starter, someone that
Speaker 11: for whom you don't have to shop every year, like
Speaker 11: you feel like your team.
Speaker 6: You've added a win and a half maybe.
Speaker 11: To your team, you don't really change the trajectory of
Speaker 11: your team with certain players.
Speaker 2: Like it's obviously I wouldn't have kept Miles Garrett. I mean,
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with my fans. I gotta be
Speaker 2: honest with my team. You know, if you said I
Speaker 2: got Geno Smith as my quarterback and I get you know,
Speaker 2: four first round picks or something in the future, as
Speaker 2: long as you trust management to make good draft picks
Speaker 2: that make that makes better sense for me. Miles Garrett
Speaker 2: may gave you fifteen sacks, great, he gave you fifteen
Speaker 2: sacks last year, and you guys were terrible, Like, nothing
Speaker 2: is going to change with that. You need a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'd bring in Kirk Cousins. I'd bring in Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: and say, all right, here, you go, give me, give
Speaker 2: me a one or two years here, let's see what
Speaker 2: we can do. Elsewhere, but Miles Garrett at forty million dollars.
Speaker 11: Right, So you're we started this as a draft conversation,
Speaker 11: but now you're arguing that you should take Abdul Carter,
Speaker 11: I guess, or take a more shore player at a
Speaker 11: different position and then go sign a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: The challenge with that is because quarterbacks are so rare
Speaker 11: veteran quarterback but I don't want to see so much money.
Speaker 11: But I'm reaching.
Speaker 2: It feels like with Shador Sanders and maybe cam Ward,
Speaker 2: I got Yeah, just because you're the best quarterback in
Speaker 2: the draft doesn't mean you're gonna be one of the
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks. And look, the draft is littered every single
Speaker 2: year with this philosophy.
Speaker 3: And I get it.
Speaker 2: You want the lottery ticket. Only one person wins the
Speaker 2: lottery though normally, and you're gonna you're gonna try to
Speaker 2: win the lottery with cam Ward going to Tennessee, Well,
Speaker 2: good luck with that.
Speaker 3: You're not winning anything anytime soon.
Speaker 6: I think it's like moral hazard is what it is.
Speaker 11: Essentially, is like I think that you are making these
Speaker 11: decisions that I think optimize for success over the long run.
Speaker 6: Nobody has a long run. The guys who are making
Speaker 6: the decisions.
Speaker 11: They got three years, got three years to show some promise,
Speaker 11: and drafting an all pro d lineman is not going
Speaker 11: to show nearly as much promise as finding.
Speaker 6: A quarterback that's serviceable.
Speaker 11: That's how the game has been designed, that nothing's more
Speaker 11: valuable than a serviceable style.
Speaker 2: Jones is serviceable, right, Yeah, I guess. Okay, so I
Speaker 2: could have I could have had Daniel Jones. I could
Speaker 2: have brought in Sham Darnald at a reasonable price. Then
Speaker 2: I could have traded Miles Garrett.
Speaker 6: Whoa You said, at a reasonable price. That's where you're wrong.
Speaker 2: No, Sham Donald is a reasonable price. He's getting twenty
Speaker 2: seven and a half million dollars for the next two years.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't take Sam Donald to twenty seven million next No, I.
Speaker 11: Take Sam Donald at twenty seven million next year. And
Speaker 11: that's again, Sam Donald has his choice of places to go.
Speaker 11: Sam Donald is not gonna choose to come to your franchise. Okay,
Speaker 11: where you had so.
Speaker 2: Like the situation, aren't issis doesn't cost you anything. If
Speaker 2: they release him, you can sign him for the minimum.
Speaker 2: Would you take Cousions as quarter Okay, that's what I'm sure.
Speaker 6: To absolutely take Kirk Cousins. I'm not my quarterback.
Speaker 2: I don't want to reach the Russell Wilson situation. Okay,
Speaker 2: would you take Russell Wilson as your starting quarterback in Cleveland?
Speaker 11: I would take Russell Wilson as a starting quarterback in Cleveland.
Speaker 11: The Cleveland situation is different though, because they do they
Speaker 11: already have the cap space tied up in a quarter
Speaker 11: That situation is uniquely bad. But I generally agree with you.
Speaker 11: From building a franchise is no Again, the best quarterbacks
Speaker 11: in football. You can't think of any except for Joe Burrow,
Speaker 11: who started out in bad situations.
Speaker 6: They all start out in good situations.
Speaker 11: I think it's full it's for all these bad teams
Speaker 11: to think that they can draft Lebron James. Most of
Speaker 11: these quarterbacks developed in situations that were already good.
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes best in the league.
Speaker 11: He came into a team that won the division, like
Speaker 11: the Bills went to the playoffs the year before. The
Speaker 11: Ravens got Lamar at the end of the draft. Dak
Speaker 11: Prescott came into a ready loaded team. Like all these
Speaker 11: really good teams or good quarterbacks came in a good situation.
Speaker 6: So I agree that you're right.
Speaker 11: I'm just trying to explain why they make these decisions
Speaker 11: that appear irrational.
Speaker 6: It's like they're rolling the dice and hoping that they hit.
Speaker 2: Was that kind of like a get up segment there,
Speaker 2: that we were like fake yelling at each other. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you liked it, but we didn't. But
Speaker 2: you know what we didn't do. We didn't mention the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: So it's not a get up segment there.
Speaker 11: I said, Dak, I score, don't don't try to get
Speaker 11: me fired from the worldwide leader. I know my responsibility.
Speaker 11: I even said they're looking for Lebron James in the.
Speaker 6: Draftball time what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dominic, no problem man, thanks a lot, dam
Speaker 2: Dominique Worth The Dominique fox Worth Show. Yeah, he worked in,
Speaker 2: Dak worked in Lebron. That's sneaky. Great there you can
Speaker 2: shame on get up with Mike Greenberg. Take a break back.
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Speaker 2: Time to play in or out. You're either in or
Speaker 2: you're out, Pauli's your host.
Speaker 3: You can't be both Dan as much as we'd like
Speaker 3: you to have to be. In or out.
Speaker 6: Here we go.
Speaker 7: If he joins the Steelers, Aaron Rodgers will make the
Speaker 7: Steelers noticeably better.
Speaker 6: Fritzy, I'm in on that.
Speaker 3: See you think he's got a lot to prove.
Speaker 6: Extremely out, extremely out, Mars really really out.
Speaker 7: I'm in okay. Second part question a little philosophical. Lots
Speaker 7: of sports media people don't like Aaron Rodgers, and that's
Speaker 7: affecting how they view of him as a quarterback.
Speaker 6: In or out.
Speaker 4: I wanna say you end on that.
Speaker 8: I'm out, Marvin, I'm out.
Speaker 3: I'm out. Here we go.
Speaker 7: I'd rather have Tiger Wood's career than Tom Brady's career
Speaker 7: in or out.
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, Todd.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Tom Brady's ten Super Bowls, winning seven
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: Seatan, I'm out. I'll take Brady. Okay, Marvin out Brady,
Speaker 3: out Brady.
Speaker 7: What if I replaced Tom Brady with Lebron James, same answer, Todd, I.
Speaker 4: Would take Tiger there.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 3: Seaton the way it's between Lebron and Tiger.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take Lebron.
Speaker 2: Marvin Lebron. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna take Tiger. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take Okay, here we go.
Speaker 7: LA Dodgers manager Dave Roberts just signed a contract extension
Speaker 7: one another World Series going very well. LA Dodgers manager
Speaker 7: Dave Roberts has the best, slashed easiest job in sport.
Speaker 6: Wow, no offense.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: My premise there is that the Dodgers spend truckloads a
Speaker 7: dough have a pipeline, two Japanese stars, and it makes
Speaker 7: his job.
Speaker 6: Comfortable.
Speaker 3: Todd in or out.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go in on that, Okay, Seaton very out,
Speaker 2: Marvin out, I'm out because he has to win the
Speaker 2: World Series every year. That's how he's graded, right, every
Speaker 2: year he must win the World Series. Why didn't you
Speaker 2: win the World Series? You have all this money, you
Speaker 2: spend more than everybody. Look at all the talent you got.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an easy job. I think the
Speaker 2: regular season is easy, postseason very difficult.
Speaker 7: Follow up question for those who said out, who has
Speaker 7: a better, slash easier job than Dave robertson sports.
Speaker 3: Me, I'm oh Andy Reid. I don't think any of
Speaker 3: these are easy. Now, Okay, just how about better, just better, Marvin.
Speaker 8: Sho Hao Tani's new interpreter, just.
Speaker 6: Show up and interpret.
Speaker 3: Any other inners.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Boston Celtics are going to roll to another title.
Speaker 3: In or out, Todd.
Speaker 4: I am out.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to be that easy.
Speaker 3: Out Marvin out than that rolling out.
Speaker 7: Lastly, I'd rather go to the final four college basketball
Speaker 7: Final four, all three games, then go to the super
Speaker 7: Bowl in or out, Todd.
Speaker 4: I'd rather go to the Final four in the championship
Speaker 4: game over the super Bowl, Seaton.
Speaker 3: M I'd rather go to the final four, two Marvin,
Speaker 3: final four.
Speaker 2: Let's say super Bowl. That's in or out, Dan, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's in around. I remember going to Well, I should
Speaker 2: say I remember now, I hope I remember where I
Speaker 2: was San Antonio and I was out at a bar
Speaker 2: and I walk in and the guy goes, hey, are
Speaker 2: you here to see coach? I said, uh, coach?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 2: He goes, Rick Majeris, who was the coach at Utah.
Speaker 2: And I go around the corner and he's sitting by himself.
Speaker 2: I said, uh, And I had known Rick for a while.
Speaker 2: I said, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: He goes. I had to get out of my room.
Speaker 3: He goes, I couldn't watch it. I think he was.
Speaker 2: They were playing North Carolina. Maybe, he goes, I couldn't
Speaker 2: keep watching highlights. He goes, I had to get out
Speaker 2: of my room. So he was sitting there, and I
Speaker 2: don't know what day it was. Maybe it was a
Speaker 2: Friday and they had to play the next day. But
Speaker 2: there he was, and he said, I just I'm watching
Speaker 2: too much game film.
Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, I feel the same way if I had
Speaker 8: to watch Vince Carter and Antoine Jamison for three hours,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I just had to clear my mind.
Speaker 2: He wasn't eating anything, he wasn't drinking anything. He was
Speaker 2: just sitting there, and I just those jobs are tough, man,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, even when like John Wooden, he
Speaker 2: had to win a championship every year. That's what you know,
Speaker 2: Ryan Day at Ohio State, you gotta beat Michigan. You
Speaker 2: got to compete for a NAT every single year, even
Speaker 2: though you have resources, great recruits.
Speaker 3: Stephen A.
Speaker 2: Smith still talking about Lebron James, will talk about Steven
Speaker 2: A talking about Lebron James.
Speaker 3: Coming up. Final hour Dan Patrick Show