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Speaker 1: But the show must go on. Today we're continuing our

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Speaker 1: year one dbrief series with Chris Level talking all things

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech football. Texas Tech one of the more fascinating

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Speaker 1: programs across the country over these last couple decades. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good, Dan. I appreciate you having me on. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a chance. Now. Pat Mahomes is your

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Speaker 2: and I think Joey got lucked out there getting a

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Speaker 2: think they're really. Old most of the starters all came.

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00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 2: Back and you know what you have defensively is you

434
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,239
Speaker 2: have an upper tier of older experienced guys and then

435
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: you kind of, go there's not a lot of, middle

436
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: and then you've got really young these these studs That

437
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: joey has tried to. Recruit so BUT i would look

438
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: for big things from this defense this. Year they won't be,

439
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: perfect but they're going to be a reason why you

440
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 2: win some games for.

441
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: Sure on the other side of the, ball The texas

442
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: tach offense was. INTERESTING i think that's the Word i'm

443
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: going to, use just because of the quarterback issues health

444
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: wise and at times struggle to pop some bigger. Plays

445
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: they have these promising, receivers obviously To Roderick thompson did

446
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: a very good, job especially against some of the more stacked.

447
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: Lines offense is built more around the, short quick passing.

448
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: Game what's the next step for this. Offense we saw,

449
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: it you, know a couple of years ago At Western

450
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: kentucky With bailey's appy, succeeding also built on the short passing.

451
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: Game what is the evolution of this offense to sort

452
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: of keep defenses more? Honest, YES i think you've done your.

453
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: Homework it's big.

454
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: PLAYS i think they manufactured a lot of offense last.

455
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: Year and one when you have three different, quarterbacks you're

456
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: kind of tweaking what you are as an offense week

457
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 2: to week and there's no chemistry with receivers and play.

458
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: Calling you, know you're trying, to you, know accentuate different

459
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: skill sets with these three different, guys even though they

460
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: can all run and all those. Things but some of

461
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: them read defenses, better some of them have stronger.

462
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: Arms.

463
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: WHATEVER i think that was. Tricky so what was this?

464
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: Offense BUT i Think zach is more than willing to

465
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: be very. BALANCED i think there was a misconception here

466
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: that when he got here he wouldn't ever want to run.

467
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: It this was going to Be mike Or cliff or.

468
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: Whatever when they just threw it all over the, place

469
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: and now he absolutely wants to be. Balanced and they

470
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: had to churn it out and they wanted to GET

471
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: qbs involved in a run. Game that's just what you

472
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: have to do in this league when everybody's playing cover

473
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: two or that double cloud scheme That Iowa state made,

474
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: famous and they give you the run, game but big,

475
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: play here's you a stat that just it cannot be

476
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: this way again this. Year they were good on. Offense last,

477
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: year their offensive line wasn't. Great they were. Serviceable they've

478
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: tried to improve. That but you were one of eight

479
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: programs in the country last year that didn't have a

480
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: run for forty yards or, longer just. Eight when you

481
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: go to fifty yards or, longer you were just one

482
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: of twenty. Teams so they didn't have a big play

483
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: the speed that you're looking forward to kind of stretch the,

484
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: defense and they tried. To you, Know Cameron valdez is

485
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: a running back THAT i think it brings a different

486
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: element of. Speed he's going to replace The Roderick. Thompson

487
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: and they brought In drey McCray From austin P there's

488
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: some coaching connections there On joey's staff that had Coached

489
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: dre previously before they got. Here he's a, burner AND

490
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: i think they knew we've got to get a vertical.

491
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: Threat we've got to get somebody that can get behind the.

492
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: Defense And Miles price was also dinged up quite a

493
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: bit last year and he was kind of the gadget,

494
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: guy if you. Will so that's that's the next, step

495
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: is stretching the field and making teams pay and not

496
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: having to go on twelve play drives and get a

497
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: holding penalty or committing a turnover or whatever and then

498
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: it just bogs. Down so and they did they did

499
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: try to make up for that by going forward on fourth,

500
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: down LIKE i think fifty two, times yeah is.

501
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: Right.

502
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah so they were, like you know, what we can't

503
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: stress the, field but we're going to get you, know

504
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: we got four downs to get these ten yards that

505
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 2: we're going to use. Them and they believed in, analytics

506
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: AND i, know opposing coaches over there just you, know

507
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: when you get the third, down you're, like, well this

508
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: is just really second. Down so that's what that's what

509
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: won on The texas, game you, know going forward on

510
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: fourth down right.

511
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: There six of eight on fourth down Against. Texas. Yep,

512
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: Yes so what what is the current? Status what is

513
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: the current state of confidence In Tyler SHUCK i went To.

514
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: OREGON i watched him a lot in THE covid year

515
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: when he started in twenty, twenty started out really well

516
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: and then struggled near the end of bigger. Games transfers

517
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: To Texas. Tech has a good amount of, success obviously

518
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: punctuated by The bowl game last. Season is he clearly the? Guy?

519
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: Obviously Donovan smith Transfers Baron morton still. There where is

520
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: the confidence In Tyler shuck in both personally taking the

521
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: next step and being the reason why The Red raiders

522
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: take the next step on?

523
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: Offense, Yeah, DAN i would tell you THAT i Think

524
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: tyler will ultimately be the guy. HERE i Think baron

525
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: is going to make it difficult on. Him baron's a

526
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: very talented player with you, know different arm angles and

527
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: just kind of unorthodox with the way he plays. It

528
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 2: tyler is very. Mature he treats this like a like a.

529
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: Pro he's twenty. Three THE nfl folks that come through,

530
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: HERE i feel like that he's got a chance to

531
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: be picked next year if and, again the question With,

532
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: tyler to, me it's not ability or anything other than

533
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: can he stay? Healthy what is his? Availability and because

534
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: when he's been, healthy he's been really good, here and

535
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: he was At oregon and it didn't end the way

536
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: he wanted to At. ORGON i think it's fascinating to

537
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: me that organ will play here in the non conference.

538
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: Sation.

539
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: YEAH i can't imagine in everybody's wildest dreams that these,

540
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: two this player in this program would think they would

541
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: see each other on opposite ends of the spectrum whenever

542
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: he transferred. Here but he's up to about two thirty five,

543
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: now and he's a legit six to, three AND i

544
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: think he added some weight to try to be a

545
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: little bit more. Durable BUT i just think he goes

546
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: about this and he kind of runs that locker room right.

547
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Now you.

548
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: Know they they he's an alpha and doesn't do it

549
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: in a in a disrespectful. Way but he's got some

550
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: confidence to. Him BUT i think if he stays, HEALTHY

551
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: i think he's the. Guy But baron won't make it

552
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: easy on him at. All but as we, know in

553
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: this league and and really in the sport in, general

554
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: you're gonna need both of these. Guys that's just the

555
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: way it. Works there wasn't hardly anybody in The big

556
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: TWELVE i think last year that displayed with the same

557
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: guy the entire, season Even max dug and everybody forgets,

558
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: well guess, what he didn't initially win that.

559
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Job Channer morris got.

560
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: Hurt But i'm very impressed By, tyler AND i get the. Questions,

561
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: LOOK i don't believe in. Him he can't stay. Healthy that's,

562
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: fair and that's What tyler has to show the folks

563
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: at the next level is that he can be. Durable

564
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: he can't stay healthy and be available for his. Team

565
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: but if he is, Well i'd sure like to see

566
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: what a season looks like with. Him BUT i think you're.

567
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: In you've got a great one. Too, however the shakes.

568
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Out you mentioned, durability of, course and you mentioned a

569
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: so so offensive line from last. Year what is the

570
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: state of the offensive line because that can go a

571
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: long way to Helping Tyler shuck stay healthy and? Upright

572
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: do you expect them to be? Better do you expect

573
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: them to evolve at? All or is that quick passing

574
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: game sort of a result of a lack of full

575
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: confidence in the ability of the offensive line to stand in.

576
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: There one of my first conversations With Zach kittley when

577
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: he finally was around the team and, everything when he'd

578
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: gotten on the job and he'd been here for a

579
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: period of. Time And Stephen, hamby who played here and

580
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: When Mike least was, here he's THE o line. Coach

581
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: they both obviously came From Western, kentucky and both of

582
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: them kind of said something similar to, MAN i think

583
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: our line At Western kentucky that was Protecting bailey was

584
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: a bit better than this right.

585
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: Here.

586
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: Wow and SO i say that to, say, well guess

587
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: who's now. Here you've got two of those starters that

588
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: are one your starting center In Rusty, stotts and THEN

589
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: i Think Cole spencer will be your starting left. Guard

590
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: and those guys are. Seniors they understand the scheme and

591
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: the system that allows you to Move Dennis, wilburn who

592
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: was your starting center last, year to his more natural

593
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: position at right, guard and SO i think that they

594
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: feel extremely comfortable with the interior. Three they Moved Caleb

595
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: rodgers from left tackle to right And Monroe mills from

596
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: right tackle over the. Left And monroe was An Oklahoma

597
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: state transfer here in the portal last. YEAR i think

598
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: that's not a. Problem the problem may come Into, okay

599
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: who's my, sixth, seventh, eighth you, know that's an. Issue

600
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: Jacobe jackson is their swing, guard and then Todm buchanan

601
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: came FROM usc he was originally From. Houston he's going

602
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: to be the swing. Tackle so, again AND i think

603
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: those seven, GUYS i don't know if you have any

604
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: draft picks in that, group, possibly BUT i think that

605
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: it's much different than it was last.

606
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Year it's, older it's more.

607
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: EXPERIENCED i Think Russy stotts allows them to play much

608
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: faster because he's used to the way they were running

609
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: things At Western. Kentucky it's just, Again i'm sure every

610
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: coach in the country would say, THIS i wish we

611
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: had more depth or more proven depth, there and that's

612
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: kind of Where Texas tech is on that offensive. Line

613
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: but it is dramatically. Improved And joey will tell you

614
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: he told us all it was a problem last. Year

615
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: they went and got five portal guys to try to fix,

616
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: it and now he's telling you how much better it.

617
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Is and SO i believe him because he was right

618
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: last year AND i think could be right this. Year

619
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: what is the situation on the?

620
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: Trail, obviously bringing in a good class in year one

621
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: goes a long, way And tech hits the portal for

622
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: so much needed defensive depth and. Help what do you

623
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: expect From joey maguire and this staff as recruiters as

624
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: obviously Now texas And oklahoma ramp up for THE sec

625
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: a more attractive conference perhaps for in state talent that

626
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to stay closer to home

627
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: as the conference itself grows with the addition of four

628
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: high quality. Programs what is the state Of Texas tech?

629
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: Recruiting this is going to be a smaller.

630
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: CLASS i think they're talking about maybe only eighteen sentees

631
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: give or, take AND i think they're aiming, really really.

632
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: High they have a big time quarterback Named Will hammond

633
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: that's already committed four stars and all those. THINGS i

634
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: think that they are making some waves in the state

635
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: because there's a young man by the name Of Micah

636
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: hudson who probably has thirty to thirty five scholarship offers

637
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: and he's kind of picking Between alabama And Ohio state

638
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: And texas And TEXAS a AND m But tech may

639
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: be his favorite right. Now AND i think he's been

640
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: here multiple times in the, spring and so this is

641
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: the next step here is To this is a first

642
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: full cycle THAT i think they've had a chance to

643
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: recruit kids when they were younger and then see some.

644
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: Payoff but because of smaller, class they're able to give

645
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: some attention and more attention to some. Guys BUT i

646
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: think that they will be disappointed if this is not

647
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: another top twenty five. Class even though it may not

648
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: be in numbers wise, Quantity they're going after quality. Here you,

649
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: Know Dylan spencer was a young man that signed last,

650
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: year that was committed To texas for much of the

651
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: cycle and then switches at the last, minute big time

652
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: defensive edge guy that looks like you would, think kind

653
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: of looks like a Young Tyree. Wilson you just don't

654
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: get a ton of guys that look the part, Here

655
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: But joey's starting to change, that AND i think you

656
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 2: realized they needed to get bigger and you win games up.

657
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: Front so there's a lot of focus on the defensive,

658
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: line offensive, line but some of the skill of positions

659
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: that the fans love are starting to be addressed here.

660
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: Too and again it's about. Speed he wants, faster he wants,

661
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: bigger like everybody. Does but they're starting we're starting to

662
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: see some tangible results.

663
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Here who do you expect from this incoming class either

664
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: an early en roly or somebody will come in over

665
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: summer who will be physically there and hopefully mentally there

666
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: with his aptitude to at least see some rotation time this.

667
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: Fall the all the portal, Guy dray, McCrae Shape, Baskerville Steve,

668
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Linton Russy, stotts all those guys will will either start

669
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: or factor in heavily if you want to go to.

670
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: FRESHMAN i would say there's a handful of dbs that

671
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: have a. Chance Dylan spencer is the one THAT i.

672
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Mentioned he's more of an edge guy THAN i. Think,

673
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: again when you see, him you're, like, man look like

674
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: you're twenty, five twenty seven years. Old but this is

675
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: just the. Difference and when you see What alabama recruits

676
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: And Ohio state, recruits they just get these guys like

677
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: where do you find these? People but there's some dbs

678
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: THAT i Think Jordan, Sandford, Malik let's, See Chapman. Lewis excuse,

679
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: me but there's some young dbs THAT i think have

680
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: a chance To mohorn is a name that he redshirted last,

681
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: year BUT i think he's kind of pushing the starter

682
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: a top back up as A.

683
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: dB but that's where that's where they need some guys

684
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: to step. Up it's kind of the.

685
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: Secondary the starters are really good and they're. Old these

686
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: are fourth and fifth year guys across the. Board after, that,

687
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: though you're going to you're gonna be somewhat. Young AND

688
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: i think that's where the spring has been really good

689
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: for these guys and a lot of these midyear guys

690
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: coming in early ability to kind of catch up and you,

691
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: KNOW i think learn the system and maybe get a

692
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: head start on.

693
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: Things so now with the benefit of the quick first

694
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: early signing day, class the hiring of the coaching, staff you, know, springball,

695
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: summer fall, camp first, season and now the first full signing,

696
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: class the first full portal class and now another. Spring

697
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: what grade do you give To joey maguire after that

698
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: full encompassing amount of time heading into year.

699
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: TWO i, MEAN i would say it's AN. A some

700
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: may argue That I'm i'm even it's not it should

701
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: be a plus because you have to you have to,

702
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: FORGET i, mean or remember where where it was when

703
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: he took. It AND i just think this was the

704
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: morale was was really, low you, know there's a lot

705
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: of confusion about what direction you're. Going football had just

706
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: been a problem here for we're talking a, decade and

707
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: this is a program that it was just going to

708
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: bowlgate every. Year you, Know mike took, Him mike was

709
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: winning seven, wins was a bad season Under, mike you,

710
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: know a eight or nine wins and and, so and

711
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: then he just got away from. That and then there it's,

712
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: like you, know there were stretches here where you go

713
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: two or three years and there is no bowl, game

714
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: and we know there's a lot of bowl.

715
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Games you just have to be five hundred or.

716
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: Better, Yeah AND i think so an eight win season

717
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: and finally finishing a season playing better football than when

718
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: you started was a breath of fresh.

719
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: Air but with what.

720
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: He's been able to do with you, know he's about

721
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: to be in the green room at the draft with With,

722
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: tyree with you winning bowl games and and you, know

723
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: finishing the season on a four game winning, streak you,

724
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: know the road win and Beating Texas. OKLAHOMA i just

725
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of positivity. Here and you were

726
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: picked to finish eighth or ninth last season before the season.

727
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: Started i'll will be shocked if you're not picked in

728
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: the top half of this, league even though there's a

729
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: fourteen team, league BUT i think there's a chance you

730
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: could be ranked to start the season or just just

731
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: outside out of. That AND i think that's just worlds

732
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: different than when he took this thing.

733
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: Over it's kind of amazing that the conversation or the

734
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: grade that you're giving To joey. MAGUIRE i. Agree, no

735
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: All i'm saying is if B John robinson doesn't, fumble

736
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: If Dylan gabriel doesn't get hurt, right and The oklahoma

737
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: overtime goes a different, way and they finish the season

738
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: five and, seven which again is not to Criticize Texas,

739
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: tech because winning is better than. Losing find the opportunities

740
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: and take advantage of the. Opportunities but it's probably a

741
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: very different. Grade if they miss a bowl game in year,

742
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: one getting that, close putting themselves in position that many

743
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: times and not coming, through then we're having like A

744
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: B b plus. Conversation but the ability to finish is. Everything,

745
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: yeah and maybe even a worse. Grade BUT i agree with,

746
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: you and there's for the last, decade it's, like, man

747
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: if you just change those four or five, plays you,

748
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: know but this is the same conversation that we've had

749
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: if our quarterbacks could have been, healthy but people are

750
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: sick of hearing.

751
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: That AND i think If joey was able to get

752
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: tangible results and he's also able to, Go, yeah we

753
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: had some, injuries so what we still won more than

754
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: we lost and when we beat really good teams doing,

755
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: so you, know we figured out a way and it

756
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: wasn't pretty at, times but nobody. Cares you, know you

757
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: want to win a game three to nothing or fifty

758
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: six to fifty, THREE i don't.

759
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: Care just. Win and that's what he was able to

760
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: do more than he. Lost what's your viewpoint of the

761
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty Three Big twelve and then twenty twenty Four Big,

762
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: twelve which are very different considering the roster of. Teams

763
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: where Does Texas? Tech not necessarily like where should they

764
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: be in pre, season but where do you think they

765
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: belong in terms of now a bigger, conference a conference

766
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: that's more geographically spread. Out is is The Red raider

767
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: place any? Different you, know we traditionally have looked at

768
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: And i'm speaking for, myself Like Texas tech is this

769
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: competitive team that's a thorn in everybody's, side you, know

770
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: at absolute, worse they always seem to, be you, know

771
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: a thorn In texas Or oklahoma. Side what with the

772
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: New Look big twelve this, year New Look big twelve

773
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty, four you, know what is the state

774
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: of the brand Of Texas.

775
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: TECH i GUESS i think everybody it's funny you mentioned the,

776
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: brand because That's joey's big. Deal he's all about the

777
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: brand and the hardest, working most competitive team and the

778
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: toughest team in the.

779
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: Country he says it on a daily.

780
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: BASIS i think there's a lot of programs that are

781
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: going to look at this, league Minus oklahoma And, texas and,

782
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: say we should be the one that kind of emerges

783
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: out of the dust here and we have a chance

784
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: to kind of run this thing or be in a

785
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: position to be in the mix every. YEAR i Think

786
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: Oklahoma state probably feels this. Way baylor and THE tcu

787
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: feel this. WAY i Know Texas tech feels this. Way

788
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: they've just been waiting, for you, know to finally get

789
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: this thing turned and put their best foot. Forward i'm

790
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: sure that the folks That Central florida feel this way

791
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: with all that they have done AND byu is going

792
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: to be looking at their, chops like we finally get

793
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: to show everybody you know what we're. ABOUT i think

794
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: this year it's fascinating because the way the schedule works,

795
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: out you don't play either school From. Oklahoma you're you're

796
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: you're done Playing. Oklahoma BUT i think, Permanently i'm shocked

797
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: that they didn't Put Oklahoma state on your schedule BECAUSE

798
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: i think that's a natural geographic rival that will be

799
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: kind of big and the New big twelve going. Forward

800
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: but it's weird that you're not playing this. Year so

801
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: it's weird That Central florida is coming To lubbick and

802
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: you've got to go To. Provo these are these are this.

803
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Is kind of. Fun it's weird, fun, yes, Yes.

804
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: BUT i think some of that is going to be

805
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: fascinating to see how ultimately it works out and tie

806
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: breakers and well they didn't play this team and all

807
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: that as we get to the. Edge BUT i really

808
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: feel like that in this, race you, KNOW i Think

809
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: Kansas state is going to be a team that is

810
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: going to have to be. DEALT i think they're really.

811
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: Good Will howard really came on the scene last, year

812
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: was really. GOOD i THINK tcu is going to be

813
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: still pretty good even though they were placed a Ton

814
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: that'll depend on how Good Chandler morris ultimately. IS i

815
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: Think oklahoma expects to bounce, back and Then texas is

816
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: going to, be you, know a problem depending on how

817
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: Good Quinn viewers is Or.

818
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: Arch banning or whoever that they put up under, center

819
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: and so you, know BUT i Think Texas tech fits

820
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: in that. Group they earn that.

821
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: RIGHT i think to be at least in the top

822
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: half of the league discussion and potentially ranked in the

823
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 2: top twenty five based on how they, finish and based

824
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: on so many guys coming, back you, Know Tony bradford

825
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: And Jalen, hutchings or our fifth year defensive tackles that

826
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: are really good players that turn down some opportunities to

827
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: go to the next level to stay here and anchor

828
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: that defensive. Line, again so your two starting corners are,

829
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: back they're both fifth year. Guys on and on it,

830
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: goes and SO i JUST i like what they. Have

831
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: and again it just Does tyler stay. Healthy BUT i

832
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: think they can make some noise this. Year And joey

833
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: will tell you we got a, shot AND i think

834
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: he knows he knows he's got a team that's going

835
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: to be a pain for everybody to deal. With like you,

836
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: said very, fair very.

837
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: Fair in The Big, twelve probably the BEST tv show In,

838
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: america maybe out the best. Conference it's the BEST tv.

839
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: Show it's throwing a bunch of faral bobcats into a

840
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: phone booth and seeing who, emerges which is WHAT i

841
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: believe is the best of college. Football, So Chris, Level

842
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Red Raider, sports thank you so much for your time

843
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: plug where you can be found on The internet and.

844
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: Beyond, yeah you know At redriidersports dot, com At Chris

845
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: level On twitter and Then Lockdown Texas Tech monday Through.

846
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: Friday And, DAN i appreciate you having me. On you

847
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: were nice to include, me and thank you for covering

848
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: The Red. Raiders and you crush it on your platform.

849
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: Too so The Solid verbal one of the best college

850
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: football podcasts out. There, Man SO i appreciate you including.

851
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Me of Course i'll take. It, chris thank you so

852
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: much for your, time absolutely, man talk to you next.

853
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: Time all. RIGHT i thought that went really, well even

854
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: though my voice is a little bit off As i'm

855
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: healing from my own. ILLNESS i Thought chris was terrific

856
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: and so by all, means Check chris's, workout whether it's

857
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: on the written or audio. Side, Yeah chris levelredraidersports Dot,

858
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: com AND i don't, know Watch Texas tech a little

859
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: more closely this coming, season returning a, bunch adding a,

860
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Speaker 1: bunch a lot of enthusiasm on the. Sideline got a mask,

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Speaker 1: that stay solid and, peace