WEBVTT - Brian Alexander Morgan 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:06.120 R and B Money, Honey, we are. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.000 Thanks. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:14.360 Take out of chat. We are the authority on all 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:20.520 R and B ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tanking Valentine. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:28.160 This is the R V Money podcast, your thought, your 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.800 authority for all things R and B. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:33.879 Tell her what it is. 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:44.000 I'm talking big ship today, hundred percents, timeless. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.559 All timers catalog. 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.280 Yeah, yeah, you wanna break the artists. You want to 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.040 break something. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.360 Yeah, you might get a week, you might get weak, breaking. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.440 Some You want somebody to sample your ship in years 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.280 later because it was so good. Come on, come on, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:03.560 let it rain, let it ring. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:17.240 I don't like them niggas do good. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.160 Too good, too good. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.000 You guys, I love it man. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.280 Thank you guys, fans, I'm a fan first, Thank you both. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.640 Appreciate're just happy to be here this. You guys are killing. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.120 What are we talking about over here? 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:33.760 At the reason, the reason why we even have a platform, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.360 the reason why we were even inspired to have this 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.560 conversation is because this is one of those conversations that 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:45.000 needed to be had. We're talking music that that shaped 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:51.200 generations of music, that's wow like in real life. Appreciate 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:56.919 music that that drops right now and it's sang word 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:04.120 for word, note for note, copying your flow. It's a blessing, bro, Yeah, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.840 better huge blessing, Yes it is. And we're gonna we're 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:12.400 gonna get into those blessings and let you talk your talk. 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.480 You know as a musician, you know what I mean. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.679 Like for me, it's like it's like, wow, you know 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.799 what I'm saying. It's the same reference I give Davante, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.080 you know what I'm saying where it's like, Okay, that's 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.600 that's a different type of musicianship that you're adding into, Like, 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.760 that's different to be able to get that off like 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.720 the first person we ever seen like go crazy like 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.120 that from a music musician standpoint, to make musicians go 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.240 crazy with Stevie wonder Where, it was like, how do 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.200 he do all of that but make it digestible to 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.000 where anybody could write anybody could understand it? 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:50.839 Right? Right? 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.520 That's it's not easy, No, not at all. It's complicated 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.560 and simple at the same. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.040 At the same at the same. All right man, Yeah, 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.520 let's let's go back to the beginning. Where is where is? 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:09.560 Where is Brian Alexander Morgan born? And who who who 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.200 passed these gifts down? Or where do who did you 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:18.280 sit under to to to find this magic born in Wichita? Wichita? 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:20.799 What are they doing in which town? 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.919 Oh my god? Well, you know, not. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:28.480 A lot, not a whole lot at. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:29.320 Least doing that. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.639 But I always like to say this Wichita is landlocked. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.080 Not a whole lot to do outside. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:36.240 Okay. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.480 So there's no ocean to go to like in the 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.480 Bay or East Coast, and we ain't running the no 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.680 beach doing nothing. And all the lakes were where the 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.480 white boys were, so they drowned every year. So we 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.880 wasn't doing that. So that leaves church and the club. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:58.800 So it's Wichita, like it's black enough, but it's very segregated, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.360 segregated because how far is They're from Kansas City, like 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.360 two hours okay, so that's the closest we have to 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:06.960 we go two hours before we get to a real city, 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.640 a big city, any kind of big city. So which 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.000 the unlike Chicago, were just talking about that to Mahomie, 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.320 like twenty minutes is Gary, aiandas twenty minutes from Chicago, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.120 you know what I'm saying, there's nothing like that. So 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.640 when you landlocked, as we were, the competition in the 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.920 church circuit is so heavy, and I know you can 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:27.279 relate to this between. Okay, so you got two tiers. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.480 You got your Baptist competition stuff and what they're doing, 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.240 and you got your church Got in Christ stuff and 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.680 what they're doing. Well, what I learned early, because I 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.159 had lots of church, you got in Christ friends. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:38.839 Right. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.280 So when my young ear was listening to when I'm 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.440 coming up trying to figure out how to play Stevie stuff, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.120 but I really want to play Herbie stuff. I really 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.640 want to be Herbie or Patrice Russian. I'm ten and 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.040 I'm twelve, and I can't comprehend all that complicated stuff. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.839 So I noticed that my Baptist this is note this 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.560 at all, but my Baptist folks was very very straight 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:06.800 ahead and very straight and traditional. You're James Cleveland, You're 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.039 Andre Crouch, You're very straight ahead. But when I would 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:11.960 go just a couple of blocks down to my church 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.440 Got in Christ folks, they was playing the complicated, funky 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.880 chords that I needed to know. For example, at offering, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:21.840 my man would play on the order the Hammer. He 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:33.920 would play the theme from Mash. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:32.920 And I was like, what he was like knocking, Wait 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.040 a minute, wait a minute, it is just offering hold 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:35.800 out and. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.520 Then they might do a cheer. I mean, I'm sorry, taxi. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.120 So that's really about James. So I'm like, you feel 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.080 in church, yes, but. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.080 They were sneaking them in. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.800 I was like, you know what, but what? So I 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.360 was like, I'm at the wrong church. So I start 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:05.640 dipping into those eat services and understanding the difference between 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:10.000 just a how we just worshiped. Right, So all the 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.520 all the all the praise music and the shop music 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.720 and all those things, those things didn't really happen at 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.120 my church. They happened in a different way. Like, so 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.960 I started I started to get them. That was like 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.520 seventy seventy I was like twelve but old when nineteen 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.760 seventy nine hit when I was fourteen thirteen and the 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.320 very first Clark Sisters. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:30.960 Thing hit big, It. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.960 Is my living in vain. That was That was a 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.080 watershed moment for people like me who was in straddling 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.839 both those worlds Baptist coaching. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:40.440 So all of a. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.520 Sudden, the coaching people was like, oh you ain't y'all, 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.320 ain't never doing nothing like this. It's my living what 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:50.960 And so once tweaking them start doing anything. It was 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.840 a rap. And then by eighty one, when I was 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.920 fifteen sixties, you brought the sunshine went crazy. So then 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.440 I was like, Okay, now she's combining my hero Stevie 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.120 Wonder with the church thing, and I just I knew 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.960 that was it. That was my calling. I was like, well, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.320 then and now and then that just leads us to commission, 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.360 which we'll get to. But I'm just saying what he 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.840 was saying. I was playing, Yeah, absolutely, playing in my 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.120 own church, Saint James. I was playing my Baptist church. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:20.120 But then they weren't really paying like I thought. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.800 There's always so, but this particular one was thirteen. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.720 But I was looking at the I was looking at 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.400 the game, and I was like, hmmm, so how much 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.520 work he was putting in? And I need a stereo equipment. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.679 I needed stuff. I needed to rent a drum machine. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:34.840 I needed to sound like I needed to sound like 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.920 Jimmy Jame Terry Lewis all of a sudden like Prince, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.400 I need to program. I need that Len drum, you do. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.640 I need to rent these joints on the weekend. And 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.160 so look, so this one Kochic Church needed the player 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.720 one and I just took took it. So I left 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.680 my church and started playing exclusively for this other particular church, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.960 which out of my denomination, but I didn't care. So 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.280 they let me put my drum machine in the pool 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.920 pit and I would play and I would program the 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.720 whole performances, like when I did Your at the Sunshine. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:06.400 It was the drummers doing this in eighties. In the 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.800 early aces. No no, no, this is like no, I said, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.040 like eighty two, eighty three, So now I'm like sixteen seventeen, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.240 and that's what I was doing, So I would program 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.000 all the fields on the drum machine. It was really 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.320 a training ground. So by the time, and that's early 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.400 so mid eighties, when Commission came like a eighty five 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.080 with that first album, then I was like, Okay, now 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.920 I see it's possible to have these pop sensibilities on it. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:31.920 That's what Commission is to me. It's what I don't 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.240 hear people talk about a lot. So what I heard 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.079 Michael Fred Hammond and those guys do is that they 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.600 took records because I'm from the Midwest, so Chicago and 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.080 bands like that were huge. So Peter Setera and heavily 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:49.680 melody based things like let's see, uh. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.559 You say your loves man to me? 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:58.319 All the open, the open tones, that is that Commission 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.200 church thing. So I made the connection between the Chicago 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.520 pop joints and black gospel cords. So then I was like, oh, well, 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.080 this is the thing I wonder because that was so 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.320 different from the Winings, the other previous family that had 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.680 been killing it. But we can't ignore the Winings contribution 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.120 and what Bill Maxwell, the producer, had my ear because 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.440 when he would do these productions, they were sounding like 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.079 earth Wind and Fire productions. I remember andre Craft, It's 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.600 going to rain. I was like, ooh, I feel like 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:35.040 serpentine fire kind of like they was nasty. I was like, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.680 whoa these tracks are. So that's Bill. Bill Maxwell, the producer, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:43.880 the drummer did those records. So that aesthetic came into 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.120 play when commissioned. When drum machines became more prevalent than drummers, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.640 then commission took it over. And now you're hearing program 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.640 and live drums together, because they would have live drums too. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.360 But the point was they putting these pop melodies on 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.679 these gospel joints. So running back to you, on all 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.480 those joints that we loved. Had to me Peter Setera vibes, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.080 and I love that because I always loved Chicago. So 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.520 that's how it all started. As far as my development, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.240 when I'm leading up to getting out of Wichita, I 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.600 got out of Wichita because there's a man j King 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:24.040 from Club New Vaux Sacramental legend came through Wichita. I 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:25.800 had a demo at this point because now we now 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.400 I thought I was the clark Sitsens, and we thought 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.240 we were all these things. So I had a demo 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.079 that returched it Church. No, it was a it was 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.600 a okay, let me, I gotta I gotta interject. Tremaine 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.280 Hawkins had came out in eighty five with a joint 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.480 called fall Down on A and M Records. Now that 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.079 was to me the hierarchy, I mean the high the 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.080 high burd for what I wanted to do. It was 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.520 a message joint, but as funky as hell was hitting 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.840 in the clubs what Clarks had done when you're about 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.440 to sunshine, but now in a new way. So it's 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.600 like four on the floor kind of housey. So that 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.560 was crazy. If you look up fall Down by tremainn 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.080 Hawkins nuts, uh and so that, and then combined with 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.440 the wine is we're doing message music through Quincy and 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.640 his labels. I was like, man, I think that's what 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.160 I want to do. I want to have through what 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:11.720 we do, the message thing. But I wanted to be 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.520 through a mainstream label. So I start submitting this demo 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.480 that we had to all the labels and then we 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.480 got turned out everywhere. But when Jay Kane came through town, Uh, 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.400 I had a groupie buddy that loved. He was a 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.360 groupie of Club Mebo and I just never was me 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.560 and you know, we know he's vocal snobs. All of 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.760 us could be vocal snobs. So when they came out 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:35.599 with that, I was completely. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.920 Who's this guy singing flat like a laud. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.160 And trying to sound like this person that. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.000 All that? So what? 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.080 So in this instance, my friend who was that groupie 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.800 of them, he went to their show, he followed them 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.680 to their hotel, like crazy groupie ship. But he always 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.320 had a tape of my stuff on his person. He 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.920 gave he gave that tape to JK. Jay King listened 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.400 to it. Now this is at the era of Guy. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:02.839 Now. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.079 Remember Guy is out now now we're talking eighty eight, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.679 so it groove me and all that stuff was out. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.880 So now Jay King, here's the tape. Now, this is 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:11.800 like two in the morning at Mama. I'm still with 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.240 my mom at my mama house. Right, get a phone call. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.719 She was like, I'm here with Jay King and he 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.160 wants to take your tape. Now. I had just seen 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.880 a Word Up magazine at an article talking about how 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.520 he was beefing with time Ax Social Club because the 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.240 rumors and all they was fighting and legal. I was like, ah, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.680 not that dude. Don't get that dude my tape. And 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.520 at the exact same time I had told you I 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.319 wanted to be on A and M. John McClain was 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.120 killing with Janet with control was out. John McClain was 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.920 the guy he had, he had done fall down with 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.120 Tremainso I was like, John McClain gets it. We can 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.120 do what we do through A and M. And so 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.360 I'm telling j King and this Jay King is like, what, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.000 I will get you a deal at Warner Brothers in 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.040 two weeks if you let me take this tape. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.360 And I was like, oh, man, I don't know. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:57.720 And I was like, he's why. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.760 They have a legal problems. So are you telling him, 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:01.920 I'm telling rocking him. We didn't neither know. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.800 I'm telling you, I'm not sure in this moment, I'm 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.800 not sure. Then I'm looking around at my mom's little 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.840 two hundred square foot little shack I'm in, and you know, 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.760 I'm like, and I'm also getting older. I want to 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.160 get the hell out of my mom's house. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.559 Right. So Jay King's he said, I promise. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.960 You, Benny Medina will sign this if you just let 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:19.959 me take this tape. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.520 I said, all right, man, all right. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.560 And he took it and literally, in two weeks, I'm 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.680 washing dishes in my mama's kitchen. J King phone onto 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.920 one one of those schools, put put it on my head. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:31.679 Jak's like, you ready to get the hell out of 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.040 winch Tar. I was like, what he said, Benny Medina 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.400 is signing, y'all. It's a wrap. Make it, make a 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.400 list of all your bills, pay your mama bills, and 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.720 you out of there. And I moved to Sacramento for 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.360 in nineteen eighty seve So what's the name of the group. 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.960 The name of the group was Cache Cache. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.480 It was me and ok, okay, don't don't forget that 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:49.559 what's the what's the whole name? 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:50.040 Cachet? 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.640 Dave? Why? Okay, what why Nigga? 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.000 Because here's why because we was we was trying right, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.440 trying to fit into the friends thing. They was doing 0:13:59.520 --> 0:13:59.920 New Baux. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:01.920 So it was just me trying to feed it to 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.280 other people else. You didn't really want you didn't really 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.160 want to fuck with JK, but you want. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.200 To take it and once you get it, and once 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.000 you get in, you coming. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:11.679 In. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.920 And he thought it was cool perspect I just had 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.760 it that cache, but he was like, we added to 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.960 Dave why because it was like, oh, it's French still. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.400 You feel it's French still? 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.600 Wow? Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be a unique voice. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.200 Yeah yeah right. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.160 So and I have that album by the way, that 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.160 never came out. I have a whole CD. Okay, so 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.120 y'all signed the Benn but then we signed through Benny Okay. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.120 Jay had an imprint King J so we signed through 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.360 my come on you feel my Daddy Man come out? 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.520 So he signed and then and then I did a 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:49.240 whole album for Warner and it never came out, and 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.760 it was on CD. Right now, I have the whole 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.840 CD and everything I wrote every single song written produced 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.680 by me, and I'm twenty one. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:57.080 Now. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.960 The weirdest thing is we got dropped a couple of 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.000 years later, like eighty nine. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.560 You're Always was signed for Oh for You. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:03.640 I did the whole record for you, and then we 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.240 got drop because Jay pissed off the wrong people and 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.600 we got dropped. His whole thing got dropped when we 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:09.120 got dropped. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:09.760 Now check this. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.840 Now I'm struggling to just work and maintain any type 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.440 of presence, and you're scrimental. I mean Sacramento, so thank god, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:17.760 people like Derek Allen. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.720 Are there, Raphaelsa Dik is there. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.360 So it's a lot of energy, a lot of energy 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.960 and Wayman Tisdale think God was there Sacramento King and 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:24.880 base based play. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:25.560 Oh I was. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.320 We got dropped in nineteen eighty nine from Warner and 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.960 I was devastated because now I'm the boy from Kansas 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:32.160 that was. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.160 Supposed to let's let's go into dropped. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.480 I mean that because was that because you guys had 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.600 tried to put out music and it didn't work. It 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.360 was just a relation. He came out, he came out, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.680 it was unreleased. So the relationship. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:49.160 Relationship with the head person and charge, uh went since 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.720 went back, and then he and they dropped his whole thing. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.080 And Jay was a real high head at the time. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.440 He'll tell you himself. He was like he was you know, 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.720 you know what Jay can be like. Hell, he was 0:15:58.760 --> 0:15:59.840 just threaten to beat your asses. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:00.400 Period. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.000 It would be like, I'll beat your fucking ass right 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.160 in here right now. He was one of them dudes, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.640 and so but said it to the wrong person, dropped 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.640 the whole thing. So now I'm like, oh shit, I'm 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.400 just out here in Sacramento, two thousand miles away from home, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.600 you know, broke with no deal, no nothing. So I 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.120 started panicking and going like what am I gonna do 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.000 to stay in this business at all? So I started 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.080 trying to do business, record business adjacent shit. So I 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.600 was like, I love Charlie. Let me write something for 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.920 Charlie Wilson. Because at the time they had just had 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.440 out the record of the Year before, they had out 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.800 into song on there called Wednesday Lover. You know that one, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.920 Holy shit the guy bands Wednesday Lover. If y'all don't 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.000 know it, look it up. One of the coldest songs 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.560 ever and it stills classics sounding right now, So I 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.600 say I can write something in that vein of Wednesday 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:44.480 Lover for Charlie. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:45.880 That's when I start writing Week. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.880 But at the exact same time, Chante Boord was in 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.120 the camp because she had been signed to Warner Brothers 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.360 through Bennie too, So we all lived in Sacramento in 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.240 the same place. This and I got kicked out of 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.800 my apartment for reasons because of maybe cheated on somebody 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.240 that was I was close to. 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.640 And then so so you were you're in a relationship 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.480 kind of that involved lodging. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.880 Girl that was in the group that we was in CAE. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.760 We grew up together, so she was like my childhood but. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.200 She was she was handling the lodging. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.119 No, we both were because we were both signed together. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:21.400 So we were in that situation. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.080 But at a certain point, your money ran out. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.040 And I met a new person and she caught me 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.440 with that person, so I was instantly out the house, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:29.840 so boom. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.600 Because to kick you out the the man, I'm out. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:51.560 She had a job, Jacon, she was. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:55.800 At that moment. Here's literally did not have a job. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.800 He also cheated without a job out of. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:06.640 Without a job, you can't, So that's how I ended 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.040 up without a place to stay. And that's so now 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.040 that looks who took me in though it all goes 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.359 back to Jay again because rumors was by his TIMEX 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:17.000 Social Club. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:18.200 But how rumors. 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.880 So the guy that actually wrote that did the music 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.480 on that, his name is Alex Hill. Alex Hill was 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.280 my best friends. He let me literally move in with 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.000 him in this in this apartment in a place called 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.480 Park Cities. Shantey lived in the same apartment Chante. More 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.840 so I lived there and I wrote Week in his 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.440 bedroom using his equipment. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.439 Okay, so it's. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.120 All crazy, but I'm writing it for Charlie, but I'm 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.879 writing it about Chante because that's the whole scenario that 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.080 was happening, Like there's no way in the world I 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.440 could ever get with her, but the energy was there. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.040 So the Week is about not getting with her, whereas 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:58.920 Shirley Murdoch's uh as We Lay is about after Mine 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:03.280 is about ain't never. So that's the difference between those 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.360 two joints. But I writing again from the same did 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:05.879 you ever? 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.639 Does she know the song was about her cards? She 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:10.160 talked about it on a Quest Loves podcast. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.000 Okay, okay, okay, so this is no no oh yeah, 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.240 but it's coming from a real place, and now I'm devastated. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.240 And then also I don't have to play say it's 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.960 all bad, so I'm just trying to get on Charlie's joint. 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.920 So that didn't happen. I don't know. I never submitted 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.879 it to Charlie. I was maybe fearful that he wouldn't 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.439 like it. I couldn't take the rejection from one of 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.400 my heroes, so I just never submitted it. In that interim, 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:35.560 waiting on that to happen, Martha Wash did a couple 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.160 of Martha Washing the dance Steva amazing. She had done 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.480 a couple of records that I absolutely loved everybody. Everybody 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:48.600