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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Stephen Miller says, you can't love

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Speaker 1: your country and then fight President Trump. That's right, because whatever,

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Speaker 1: we have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: Nation's Almstal stops by to talk about all the fuckery

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Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court. Then we'll talk to Senator Brian

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Speaker 1: Shotts about how Democrats are fighting back against Trump. But

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Speaker 1: first the news.

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Speaker 2: Somebody, we know that Trump's emmigration rates are not good

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Speaker 2: it now fifteen million jobs gone by twenty thirty five,

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Speaker 2: a study claims.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk this through. Part of why America has

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Speaker 1: had this economy that is the envy of the world

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Speaker 1: is because and you're going to be shocked to hear this,

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Speaker 1: it's because our economy grew because we have immigration. Immigration.

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Speaker 1: You may wonder why Republicans hate immigration because they don't

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Speaker 1: understand how mouth works. So Trump's immigration is it's just

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Speaker 1: all sorts of different ways in which it's fucking up

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Speaker 1: the economy. One is we're going to have less workers,

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Speaker 1: We're going to have less people to pay into Social

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Speaker 1: where you know, our birth rate is on the decline.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this. Elon Musk is

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Speaker 1: very upset about it.

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Speaker 2: I sometimes see some white supremacists talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, So unless you can get people to have babies,

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Speaker 1: which they don't really want to for any number of reasons,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be a country with new young people

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Speaker 1: And this is where we are. So it's like yet

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Speaker 1: another Trump policy that is incredibly short sighted. The lack

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Speaker 1: another thing that this administration's doing is it's limiting US companies'

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk and his reverse philanthropy, he is cutting the

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Speaker 1: the people like Elon Musk to come to this country,

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Speaker 1: make a billion dollars and then destroy the country by

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Speaker 1: fucking up our federal government. Thank you, Elon Smiley.

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Speaker 2: Trump is I did John Bolton? I know, on principle

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Speaker 2: I have to be very very angry on about this,

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Speaker 2: but there's been so many things he's done over the years.

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Speaker 1: You really hate John Polton.

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Speaker 2: Well, what he called for the death penalty for somebody

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Speaker 2: just makes it really hard for this principle stand for

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Speaker 2: me to stand up. But I'm standing up anyway because

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Speaker 2: it's principles. God, I'm getting tired of stead I go.

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Speaker 1: Like, let him get the chair. Okay. So I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about John Bolton because there are a couple

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Speaker 1: of things going on here. John Bolton is a good

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump going after John Bolton because John Bolton criticized

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Speaker 1: This is the road to authoritarianism is paved with going

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Speaker 1: after John Bolton. And this is basically there after him

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Speaker 2: Half a dozen House Democrats were seventy year old or

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I just want to say two things here.

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Speaker 1: But the energy on the ground is for Democrats. Now,

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Speaker 1: here we have these incumbents who are raising these challengers

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Speaker 1: But former venture capitalist Eric Jones thirty four raised a

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Speaker 1: I think that Dianne Feinstein, like, we got here through

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Speaker 2: We watched Mitch McConnell take a horrible fall yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so this is wild. Now let us talk

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Speaker 1: about one of my stories that feels very important right now?

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about that the New York Young Republicans

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Speaker 2: are set to disband after they found their text to

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Speaker 2: be extremely racist, a thing that anyone who's ever encountered

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Speaker 1: It's very possible that these racist texts were in fact

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Speaker 2: My friend who has unfortunately had to deal with many

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Speaker 2: the New York Young Republicans are just the guys who

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Speaker 2: But they had the same ideology as them.

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Speaker 1: But they could probably join ICE and get their student

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Speaker 1: loans paid for. Yes, yes, racist tax They are things,

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Speaker 2: Every racial stereotype you can think of, they thought was cute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and was kidding and again like ironic racism still racism.

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Speaker 2: One Somali did you watch the Cuomo Sliwa Mom Donnie

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Speaker 1: I did not, because I have a life. Tell me

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Speaker 2: Well, I watched it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, I don't have a life.

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Speaker 2: he admitted that he's bought marijuana from a dispensary that

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of pearl clutching about that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you, Curtis Leewah, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: Well, my best answer is if you watch Sarah Sherbin's

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I think Mondami is pulling ten twelve fifteen points ahead.

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Speaker 2: That's actually a less than what he's pulling in some of.

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Speaker 1: The bla what's he pulling? I saw ten fifteen.

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Speaker 2: The big thing that all this clomos Becker's had to

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Speaker 2: if Curse Lee Wood drops out, Andrew Cuomo still loses

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Speaker 2: by ten points.

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Speaker 1: you may not love Mondami, but you should ask yourself,

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Speaker 1: why is this a Democrat who's catching fire? And Biden

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Speaker 1: speak to voters and other Democratic candidates struggle? And I

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Speaker 1: all be asking ourselves, and not the stylistic question of

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Speaker 1: whether or not you like Mondami that I don't know

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Speaker 1: how relevant that is, but the question of, like, why

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Speaker 1: Ellie Mystile is the Justice Correspondent of the Nation and

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Speaker 1: the author of the upcoming book Bad Law. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics. Ellie, Hey, Molly, how are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you here. I always am

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Speaker 1: a fan of yours, but right now one hundred times

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Speaker 1: That anti racism is actually racism. That's like the underlying issue.

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Speaker 3: Right, they keep saying that the Constitution is colorblind, which

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Speaker 3: So that's so when you say more insidious. I've seen

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Speaker 1: It is I want to say this word, very racist word,

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Speaker 1: Now, Republica shows in fact that that's not true, and

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Speaker 3: Like these these people are who the Republicans have a

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Speaker 3: talking about random people on the street. You know, your

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Speaker 3: priests can say whatever whatever he wants. Right, person with

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Speaker 3: a sandwich board on a corner can say whatever they want.

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Speaker 3: They want to preach conversion therapy, they go to These

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Speaker 3: are licensed professionals, people licensed by the state of Colorado

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Speaker 3: to provide mental health services. Of course, Colorado has a

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Speaker 3: right to regulate what they do. Right, in the same

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Speaker 3: way they can't they could tell a person, well, you

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Speaker 3: can't administer shock therapy, right, We're not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's the same way they can tell version like bating

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Speaker 3: a kid doesn't help.

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Speaker 1: Isn't psychological treatment technically federalism too?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 3: I would argue that it's federalism. I would I would

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Speaker 3: argue that letting the individual states define their have their

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Speaker 3: own rules for who can be licensed as a medical

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Speaker 3: professional who can't be is kind of point and click federalism.

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Speaker 3: They're arguing that that they don't have to care about that,

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Speaker 3: that they have a religious right to do whatever therapy

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Speaker 3: they want, and of course they do who they just

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Speaker 3: don't have a religious right to do whatever therapy they

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Speaker 3: want under the guise of a license from the state

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Speaker 3: of Colorado.

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Speaker 1: They really love religious freedom.

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Speaker 3: The second set of cases that's coming up in November

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Speaker 3: is going to be about trans athletes, and we know

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party has made a lot of hay over

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Speaker 3: denigrating trans women who play sports. We know that they

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Speaker 3: hate them for it's such a small, really hater of

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Speaker 3: the part. We know that the Democratic consulting class has

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Speaker 3: generally abandoned these people.

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Speaker 1: I just want to add one thing about this, because

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to remember that so much of

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Speaker 1: this is political. They know that for them, there is

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Speaker 1: polling that shows that people don't like it if their

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Speaker 1: girls have to compete against people who are trans. That's

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Speaker 1: really the net net of it. So like they you know,

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Speaker 1: they probably do also hate trans people, but they see

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Speaker 1: the political expedience there and they think Trump won on

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Speaker 1: that issue, and so that, you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just think, like it's even more craven.

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Speaker 3: Right, I totally agree with that. So the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: is hearing a case that will uphold these trans bands

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Speaker 3: on women's sports. But the thing that really gets me

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Speaker 3: is that people think this issue is just about whether

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Speaker 3: or not a trans woman can run a race against

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Speaker 3: other girls. Right, It's not just that the Idaho law

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Speaker 3: that's issue in this case not only says that trans

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Speaker 3: athletes can't compete in high school sports, which again I

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Speaker 3: think you said it was craven. I think it's bigoted,

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Speaker 3: like it's stupid, but it also says that any rival

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Speaker 3: can question the gender of an athlete and that athlete

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Speaker 3: has to submit themselves to gynecological exam to prove their gender,

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Speaker 3: but only if they're a woman. So it's literally a

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Speaker 3: law that says a woman has to drop her drawers, right, doctor,

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Speaker 3: look up her huha. But boy, does not, does not

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Speaker 3: is a point and click violation of the Equal Protection Clause.

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Speaker 3: And the Republicans on the Court are going to say

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Speaker 3: that that is fine because they hate trans people. Like

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Speaker 3: that is where we're at, where they're And it's probably

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Speaker 3: going to be a Kavanaugh opinion because Kavanaugh likes to

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Speaker 3: remind everybody that he coaches girls basketball and that somehow

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Speaker 3: is supposed to make us forget about the rape allegations.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, it's probably going to be Kavanaugh saying that

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Speaker 3: the way to protect girls in sports is to make

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Speaker 3: them drop their panties on requests. That is going to

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Speaker 3: be the upshot of the Supreme Court's opinion.

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Speaker 1: And what I think is so important about this is

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Speaker 1: that they really hate women sports too. Like you'll say, well,

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Speaker 1: this is one thing that gets conservatives to give a

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Speaker 1: shit about women's sports, but actually this will make it

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Speaker 1: much more unpleasant for women and women's sports because if

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Speaker 1: you don't look at certain way, you can get checked

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Speaker 1: out by your coach and that or whoever. Like one

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Speaker 1: of the things that I like to thread the needle

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Speaker 1: on is that you think, oh, this is just discriminating

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Speaker 1: against trans kids, and yeah, while my kid's not trans.

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Speaker 1: This is opening the door to discriminating against everyone, against

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Speaker 1: people don't look a certain way, against this, against you know,

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Speaker 1: and making it more unpleasant for women to do. You know.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's important to thread the needle that

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Speaker 1: this opens the door to something you can't necessarily close.

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Speaker 3: One of the main plaintiffs in the in the trans

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Speaker 3: case pulled out. She pulled out because it was ruining

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Speaker 3: her life, because she was getting someone to hate so much,

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Speaker 3: death threats. She just wants to run track at she

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Speaker 3: was a boyis date, Yeah, student, she just wants run track.

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Speaker 3: Trans woman who just wants to run track, And it

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Speaker 3: became such an all consuming thing their life. She pulled

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Speaker 3: out of the case. That is also their goal. People

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Speaker 3: just give up just to yeah, not fight. And that's

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Speaker 3: and that's an other piece with the conversion therapy thing.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I say the goal here from the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court this year is to eradicate these people. It's

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Speaker 3: to shove these people back into some closet somewhere where

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Speaker 3: we pretend they don't exist.

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Speaker 4: And and and we know.

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Speaker 3: That that directly leads to suffering side And like again,

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Speaker 3: there is math here, folks. We know that two percent

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Speaker 3: of the population is intersects. Two percent of population does

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Speaker 3: not fit into your gender binary that you want them

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Speaker 3: to fit into. These people are here, They're real people

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Speaker 3: with real problems, and the and the goal is to

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Speaker 3: make them hate themselves as a legal manner.

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Speaker 1: We're in this moment where the Supreme Court is rolling back.

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Speaker 1: You know, we just talked about as trands rights voting

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Speaker 1: rights to anti discrimination, because anti discrimination is discrimination against

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Speaker 1: white people, which is, by the way, something white supremacists

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Speaker 1: have always said. This is not right. This is like

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Speaker 1: one of the tenants of white supremacy. I think, And

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Speaker 1: again maybe I'm just an optimist. I have been wrong

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Speaker 1: before because I was overly optimistic. But I think this

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Speaker 1: stuff feels medieval and that a lot of people do

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Speaker 1: not find losing all their rights within six month period

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Speaker 1: to be tenable. Talk to me about like, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is pushback for pushback for push you know, we're

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Speaker 1: like in these cycles of backlash. Talk to me about

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, the right answer was to go back to

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Speaker 3: Towy twenty one, like I told people, and expand the

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Speaker 3: court when you kept that is the right answer. The

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Speaker 3: only way that you get out of this Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: is by expanding the Supreme Court. And so while you're

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Speaker 3: saying that people are outraged, when you're saying that people

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Speaker 3: won't stand for it, so far, the Democrats have stood

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Speaker 3: for it. So far, the Democrats have taken it so far.

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Speaker 3: Even when you hear them, you know, make their speeches

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Speaker 3: and make their campaign pitches and whatever, they don't focus

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Speaker 3: attention on the Supreme Court as the as the ground

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Speaker 3: zero of all the revocation of rights that we're seeing.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

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Speaker 3: They're still on the Oh, the courts are gonna save us, right,

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Speaker 3: even though no matter what a lower court does, no

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Speaker 3: matter what a district court does, the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 3: always there to overturn them and back up Trump. Like

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Speaker 3: the focus on the Supreme Court as actually the problem,

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Speaker 3: not not a symptom of the problem, right, but what's

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Speaker 3: the actual problem. That is still lost on the Democrats, right,

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Speaker 3: And so at some level, like I don't see the

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Speaker 3: push I see the pushback from regular people.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what I mean. I don't mean the party,

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Speaker 1: the party. I think you've lost the party, but I mean.

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Speaker 3: No King's protest, like that's gonna be, that's gonna be invigorating.

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Speaker 3: But until the party focuses on taking the the people

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Speaker 3: who were out in the streets, giving them power back,

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Speaker 3: and taking that power away from the six unelected Republicans

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Speaker 3: in robes, we're not going to get anywhere. And as

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Speaker 3: far as from where I sit, the Democratic Party is

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Speaker 3: still nowhere near as focused on the Supreme Court as

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Speaker 3: it needs to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ali, thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Molly.

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Speaker 1: Brian Chance is the senior Senator from the great state

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Speaker 1: of Hawaii. Welcome to Fast Politics, the Senator of Shots.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Molly, nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you. Everything's so incredibly bad. I have

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Speaker 1: nothing to say. I can't believe how bad everything is.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me give you some hope.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Now, granted we have to stitch it together, but

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll take it.

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Speaker 5: Hope and optimism is an action. And so I think,

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Speaker 5: first of all, a federal judge just now granted a

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Speaker 5: temporary restraining order against russ Vott and his attempt to

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Speaker 5: lay off a bunch of federal workers, basically to retaliate

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Speaker 5: against Democrats. And so we just went in court today,

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Speaker 5: and that's a non trivial thing. I think the other

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Speaker 5: thing that gives me some hope is that people are

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Speaker 5: starting to realize Republicans included the kind of velocity and

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Speaker 5: seriousness of this healthcare issue and the extent to which

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Speaker 5: prices are actually going to double. That's not a Democratic

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Speaker 5: talking point, that's actually what's happening.

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Speaker 1: In Iowa, right in Iowa and Alaska today is Iowa though, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I just think there's no spinning like a letter

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Speaker 5: from your carrier, and so no one wins a shutdown.

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to characterize it as a win,

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Speaker 5: but I do think that we are fighting for the

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Speaker 5: right thing that the public agrees with us, and that

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Speaker 5: Republicans are starting to realize that they're going to have

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Speaker 5: to negotiate with us, both about the appropriations process generally

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Speaker 5: and constraining mister Russell vote, and also on healthcare. And

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Speaker 5: the final thing I'll say, which is now two or

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Speaker 5: three weeks old, but I thought it was really significant,

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Speaker 5: was when Brendan Carr tried to suspend Jimmy ca Kimmel

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Speaker 5: and Ted Cruz made a bet. Ted Cruz made a

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Speaker 5: bet that if he is to maintain his credibility as

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Speaker 5: a conservative and his viability as a future candidate that

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Speaker 5: he bet on the First Amendment and not on JD.

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Speaker 5: Vance's sort of view of the world. And what happened was,

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Speaker 5: he's not just Ted, CRU's well known conservative. He's the

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Speaker 5: chairman of the Commerce Committee who sort of yanked the

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Speaker 5: chain of the SCC chairman, which felt like it was,

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Speaker 5: you know, nineteen seventy eight with Fritz Hollings or whatever.

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Speaker 5: And what happened was as soon as Ted did that,

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Speaker 5: like five or six other Republicans said, yeah, also me

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Speaker 5: First Amendment. I would just say, there are some reasons

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Speaker 5: to be optimistic. And the last reason to be optimistic

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Speaker 5: is I think this rally on October eighteenth is going

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Speaker 5: to be tremendously optimistic and hopeful and joyful and peaceful

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Speaker 5: and patriotic.

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Speaker 4: And I think whenever you do a thing.

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Speaker 5: That you know allows everybody to sort of see each

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Speaker 5: other in person, to realize that you're not alone, to

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Speaker 5: realize that actually, democracy is not what we have, it's

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Speaker 5: what we do, and that we will prevail in the end.

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Speaker 5: I think that will be a hugely important moment for

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Speaker 5: all of us, in not just this battle, but in history.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about appropriations because Lisa Murkowski

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Speaker 1: not the only Republican to say this, but like, why

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Speaker 1: should Democrats make deals with Republicans if they're just going

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Speaker 1: to impound the money anyway or use a pocket recision

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Speaker 1: to claw back the money. Why trust the people who

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Speaker 1: are not trustworthy?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think one of the ways out of

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Speaker 5: just the narrower question around appropriations is can we get

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Speaker 5: a commitment from a sufficient number of Republican senators to

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Speaker 5: oppose any additional recisions? In other words, we're going to

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Speaker 5: enact the bill. It has to stick, right. That's the

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Speaker 5: recision is a technical term, but it's not that damn

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Speaker 5: hard to understand. It's that we pass this thing with

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Speaker 5: a bipartisan majority, and then they go, oh, it turns

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Speaker 5: out we don't want to spend money on a bunch

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Speaker 5: of democratic aspects of this bill, and so we're just

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Speaker 5: going to claw it back. They did that once on

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Speaker 5: four and eight. Was super hard. We tried to make

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Speaker 5: it as painful as possible. I think we succeeded along

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Speaker 5: those lines. And they have quietly told me that they

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Speaker 5: will oppose additional recisions packages and I you know, I

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Speaker 5: told them, you know, bipartisanship can't be your secret girlfriend

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Speaker 5: in Canada. Yeah, you've got to demonstrate that you understand

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Speaker 5: that when you enact a bill that you're a separate

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Speaker 5: and coequal branch of government. You might support the president

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Speaker 5: generally speaking, but when it's your bill, it's your bill.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the posturing between Soon and Trump is

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Speaker 1: real weird. You know, Mike Johnson just serves at the

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Speaker 1: behals of Trump and is just sort of cleaning up

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Speaker 1: for him. Thune, it's more complicated. You're in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: Explain what the hell is happening there.

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Speaker 5: I can't say I have super deep insights into that relationship,

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Speaker 5: but I think it is fair to say that, you know,

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Speaker 5: Mike Johnson will not make a move until Trump tells

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Speaker 5: him to. Thune, I think is at least will to

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Speaker 5: authorize some of his deputies to like go behind lines

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Speaker 5: and see what's possible. But I have not seen him

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Speaker 5: put together a bipartisan deal yet. And that is the

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Speaker 5: test of a majority leader, right is whether you can

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Speaker 5: work with the minority party and get bills done. And I,

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Speaker 5: by the way, I also think it's the test of

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Speaker 5: an opposition party is can we deliver a bipartisan deal

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Speaker 5: of some form or fashion where we get some wins

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Speaker 5: and we don't get screamed at because we didn't get

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Speaker 5: all the wins.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: Like, I've had this conversation with people, you know, in

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Speaker 5: my office, my colleagues, you know, in the media, in

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Speaker 5: the base, like if the standard is unless you stop

691
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Speaker 5: the fascism, you can't vote yes on anything, that's just

692
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Speaker 5: too high of a standard.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: And so point here, especially in appropriations, right, is to

695
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Speaker 5: say we're the article one branch. We decide how the

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Speaker 5: money gets spent, and if we get accomplish that, that

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Speaker 5: is a real ratcheting down of presidential power that is

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Speaker 5: worth getting, even if it's like only eight percent of

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Speaker 5: the stuff we eventually need to accomplish. Nobody accomplishes everything

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Speaker 5: all at once, and certainly not if you're in the

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Speaker 5: minority party.

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Speaker 1: So explain to us, because what you're talking about, I

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Speaker 1: think is real. The base is furious, and I know

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Speaker 1: because I talked to you know, people come up to

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Speaker 1: me and they say, you have to talk to Dita.

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Speaker 1: You have to I'm like, you misunderstanding what my job is.

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Speaker 1: But the base is furious. So they're like a little

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Speaker 1: less furious I think because they feel that this shutdown was,

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Speaker 1: you know, a real line in the sand against this

710
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Speaker 1: sort of authoritarianism. But where do you find yourself in

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Speaker 1: this Because you're in a younger generation that's considered to

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Speaker 1: be more of a fight, right, This is what you

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Speaker 1: know from Pritzker's camp. They talk about it's not left

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Speaker 1: versus right, it's fight versus cave. So talk to me

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 5: You fight for something right, You know, we have a

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Speaker 5: special obligation to fight for things, and in this case,

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Speaker 5: we're fighting for these ACA premium tax credits because people's

719
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Speaker 5: insurance rates are about to go up by one hundred

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Speaker 5: and fourteen percent, And we fight for the ability if

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Speaker 5: we do enact a spending bill for it not to

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Speaker 5: be undone by an unelected bureaucrat in the White House.

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Speaker 4: So those are the things that we fight for.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm a little worried that we could

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Speaker 5: win some of these things. And people say, well, what

726
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Speaker 5: about the masks?

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Speaker 2: Right?

728
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Speaker 4: What about that?

729
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Speaker 5: You know, it's sort of like, yes, all of those

730
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Speaker 5: things are important, and if you want me to solve

731
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Speaker 5: all of them at once, we will solve none of

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Speaker 5: them at once. I think part of our problem as

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Speaker 5: a party, as a movement is there aren't that many

734
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Speaker 5: politicians who say, look, here's what's possible and here's what's

735
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Speaker 5: not And to the ear of a sort of angry

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Speaker 5: person who's pissed about everything that's happening, everything sounds like

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Speaker 5: a cave to them, right, But whe're your lead negotiators.

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Speaker 5: What that means is we negotiate four things, not endlessly

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Speaker 5: and for nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take double's advocate for a second. Democrats

741
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Speaker 1: are pretty good at telling voters what they can do

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Speaker 1: in a way, whereas Donald Trump was like, and I'm

743
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Speaker 1: going to do this, and I'm gonna do that, and

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Speaker 1: none of it was doable, but he didn't win elections

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Speaker 1: on it. So my question for you is like, is

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Speaker 1: it better to be the good guys who are telling

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Speaker 1: the truth or the good guys who win elections?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, I'd rather win.

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Speaker 5: And I think that our movement has to elevate winning

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Speaker 5: as a high principle. The accumulation of power on behalf

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Speaker 5: of vulnerable people, on behalf of democratic ideals. That is

752
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Speaker 5: a high principle. Winning is great. Winning should be not

753
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Speaker 5: frowned upon or looked on as though you sold out.

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Speaker 5: Winning is important, and we've gotten a little bit not

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Speaker 5: just unattached from winning, but there's a cohort of people

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Speaker 5: who want to critique power as the only way you

757
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Speaker 5: could get power is sort of ill begotten.

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Speaker 4: So I agree with you on all that.

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Speaker 5: I just honestly think we have to occasionally talk to

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Speaker 5: our folks like they are highly engaged.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: And find is that when I talk to people in person, right,

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Speaker 5: if I'm in it doesn't matter if it's a group

764
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Speaker 5: of two hundred and fifty people in you know, why

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Speaker 5: meya on the Big Island, or if I'm in like

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Speaker 5: a living room, or I'm talking to a family member

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Speaker 5: or friend. Like when I explain myself, people are like, oh,

768
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Speaker 5: that makes sense, right, So explaining yourself is not explaining.

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Speaker 4: Away why you have no power.

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Speaker 5: It's a I have some limited power here, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to use it for this specific purpose to get this

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Speaker 5: particular thing, and here's why. And I think that we

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Speaker 5: have to build enough trust that if you do get

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Speaker 5: into the business of explaining what you're up to, that

775
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Speaker 5: it doesn't just become oh, you're one of those people

776
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Speaker 5: who caves. Because I do think like your point, Molly

777
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Speaker 5: is really right, which is that so many lawyers, so

778
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Speaker 5: many strategists, so many careful people who lock themselves out

779
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Speaker 5: of everything, right, But there's somewhere in between lying like

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump and being a lawyerly knit when I'm trying

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Speaker 5: to find that sweet spot and this.

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Speaker 1: So now you're now you've hit my one topic that

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Speaker 1: I care about basically, which is so you and Chris Murphy,

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Speaker 1: you both speak in a very clear way, and you're

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Speaker 1: good at communicating. You don't do the thing that makes

786
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Speaker 1: me crazy, the thing where I actually had a fight

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Speaker 1: with a Democratic politician because I said, if you speak

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Speaker 1: English sentences, people are going to be much more interested

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Speaker 1: in supporting you. And so my theory is that Barack

790
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Speaker 1: Obama was such a talented messenger that he could say

791
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Speaker 1: anything and people would be like, yes, yes, yes, And

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Speaker 1: so the legacy of that was there were people who

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Speaker 1: were like, yes, I can say things if I say

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Speaker 1: them in the right way and people won't care about

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Speaker 1: the substance. But the truth is that's not how any

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Speaker 1: of this works. So you have people who are talking

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Speaker 1: like they're from Veep. You know, it's a mera ka,

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Speaker 1: and then you put the cut and you're like, none

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Speaker 1: of this relates to my world of English language. So

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Speaker 1: you guys don't do that. But how do you get

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Speaker 1: everybody else out of that?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think we are getting better at being clearer,

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Speaker 5: and I think this healthcare fight has been a pretty

804
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Speaker 5: good example of the Democratic Party, for all its faults,

805
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Speaker 5: being crisp with what we're trying to accomplish together. Now

806
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Speaker 5: there are healthcare care experts, you know, in the Senate,

807
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Speaker 5: and solet's talk about premium support, tax credits, and they're

808
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Speaker 5: going to talk about the exchange, and then you know,

809
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Speaker 5: and then you've got Gego who certainly knows all those things.

810
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Speaker 5: But it is also just saying Donald Trump is making

811
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Speaker 5: you sicker and poorer. It does take all kinds.

812
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Speaker 1: It's the cautiousness that makes me cuezy. It's the loyalliness.

813
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Speaker 1: And this was a big problem in the twenty two cycle,

814
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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty cycle, on the twenty four cycle,

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Speaker 1: you know exactly what I'm talking about, the inability to

816
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Speaker 1: just just say the thing and say it again and

817
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Speaker 1: again and again everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and but I mean, more to the point, just

819
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Speaker 5: say the thing right you're riding And I like your

820
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Speaker 5: theory about Obama. I haven't really turned it around in

821
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Speaker 5: my head long enough to know if I agree. But

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Speaker 5: he was so damn lyrical that it was really like

823
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Speaker 5: it was like it could have been Portuguese, and you're like,

824
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Speaker 5: I like that guy, right, And so that is a

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Speaker 5: lot of it. But I also just think there's a

826
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Speaker 5: vibes problem. Right, We're starting to solve that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: one of the things I saw in some reason polling

828
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Speaker 5: is that for the first time, Democrats are gaining an

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Speaker 5: advantage on the question of the cost of living, and

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Speaker 5: that is an enormous sign of progress. And so all

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Speaker 5: those folks you included, but you know, dozens of others,

832
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Speaker 5: thousands of others who have correctly criticized the Democratic Party

833
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Speaker 5: for not having a clear and crisp message. Here we

834
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Speaker 5: are with a clear and crisp message. And so you know,

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Speaker 5: Matti Glecia Assession sometimes says it, just say the thing

836
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Speaker 5: if you like what I'm saying, or what Murphy saying,

837
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Speaker 5: or Andy Kim is saying whatever, like, just boost that

838
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Speaker 5: you don't have to say Andy Kim is saying, not

839
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Speaker 5: what that other person is saying. Because the sort of

840
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Speaker 5: theater criticism aspect of democratic politics is like I'm I'm

841
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Speaker 5: a gossip and so I like that part where I'm like,

842
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Speaker 5: I think that person said that right, but nobody knows

843
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 5: a shit right, and and it sort of reinforces this

844
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Speaker 5: sense of fecklessness where it's like, you know what twenty

845
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Speaker 5: Democrats said things, I liked what thirteen of them said.

846
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Speaker 5: I'm going to boost the thirteen and ignore the seven

847
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Speaker 5: and the incentive structure then habituates people to like talk

848
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Speaker 5: more plainly, more clearly, and more crisply. But we don't

849
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Speaker 5: have to kind of get into it. Not everything is

850
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Speaker 5: like a media training for members around for a long time.

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Speaker 1: No, And you know, I did write this piece that

852
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Speaker 1: was a little critical in the Times. Now that I

853
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: write for the New York Times, I get in trouble.

854
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Speaker 1: When I used to write for Manny Fair, it was

855
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Speaker 1: fine because people didn't necessarily read all my stuff. But

856
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Speaker 1: it's the only game in town. The other party is

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Speaker 1: doing stuff. You know, has the mask with the smoke bombs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have these thoughts because you're worried that there's.

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Speaker 4: Or not up to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now when you're just worried good to have

861
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Speaker 1: a one party system is pretty bleak.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 5: I agree, And that's why this has to be a

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Speaker 5: movement of people who care about healthcare, who care about democracy,

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Speaker 5: who care about the Constitution, And that's why we all

866
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Speaker 5: have to show up in person. And then individual politicians'

867
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Speaker 5: ability to like hit that perfect note, you know, Bill

868
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Speaker 5: Clinton ala Barack Obama is like, it'd be great if

869
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Speaker 5: we find our next Bill Clinton, our next Barack Obama,

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Speaker 5: our next sort of magical communicator that sort of obviates

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Speaker 5: all of our structural problems. But the structural problem is

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Speaker 5: that culturally, in the last cycle, we had lost folks.

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Speaker 5: As long as we focus on costs, we can win

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Speaker 5: a lot of them back. Because who did we lose.

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Speaker 5: We lost working class individuals of all colors, and we

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Speaker 5: lot young people. And why were they pissed? They were

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Speaker 5: pissed because the president was old and couldn't explain himself,

878
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Speaker 5: and the cost of everything had gone up precipitously. There's

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Speaker 5: no particular reason to think these people are like they

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Speaker 5: swung over to Trump and now they're super happy with

881
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Speaker 5: everything that's happening. If they were pissed about prices a

882
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Speaker 5: year ago, they got to be even more pissed about prices.

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Speaker 1: It's a much worse now, it's.

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Speaker 5: Way worse, and it's being done on purpose, And so

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Speaker 5: I just think that's why we have to be relentless

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Speaker 5: in our focus on the price of everything, because you know,

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Speaker 5: one of the things that we've learned from fascists in

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Speaker 5: Europe and elsewhere is usually defeating fascists is not accomplished

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Speaker 5: by talking exclusively about fascism. It's for mundane stuff like

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Speaker 5: whether or not there are shortages of bread and electricity,

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Speaker 5: and we're about to have shortages of bread and electricity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited for the electricity. So a lot

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Speaker 1: more younger Democrats in the Senate, Ruben, you, Andy Kim,

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Speaker 1: Chris Murphy, like a real sea.

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Speaker 4: Change clockin also Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, leadership old, some of whom are retiring. I

897
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Speaker 1: personally have only you know, the most support for leadership.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, like, I mean, is that being

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Speaker 1: talked about? Are people? I mean, is this monoliths? Are there?

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Speaker 1: Is there give the people something here?

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Speaker 5: I think there's a generational transition happening in the United

902
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Speaker 5: States Senate. And it's Murphy and Heinrich and Booker and

903
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Speaker 5: Kim and Slotkin and Diego and also Brooks.

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Speaker 1: We love Martin Heinrich.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too.

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Speaker 1: He's so handsome, all right, go on to it.

907
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Speaker 4: He's dreaming.

908
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Speaker 5: But I think there really is a generational shift, and

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Speaker 5: I think that the kind of frustration with leadership generally speaking,

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Speaker 5: is a placeholder for why aren't some of you guys

911
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 5: doing something about all of this stuff? Waves in every direction.

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Speaker 5: Think that our unity and our clarity in this appropriations

913
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Speaker 5: fight is helping to demonstrate that we are you know, look,

914
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Speaker 5: we're not always operating on all cylinders, but right now

915
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Speaker 5: we've got our shit together, and I think that that's

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Speaker 5: worth celebrating and emphasizing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good. You almost got to my question,

918
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Speaker 1: one last question, and then I promise that we'll stop

919
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: asking questions. The base hates it. I'm a fancied Jew,

920
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Speaker 1: so every time I go out to dinner, people yell

921
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Speaker 1: at me. It definitely feels like this is the base

922
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Speaker 1: is no longer like that used to be even a

923
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Speaker 1: year ago. Okay, and the goalposts have moved on a

924
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Speaker 1: pack go sots.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not in cycle, so I don't know

927
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Speaker 5: the particulars of how it's playing in individual races, but

928
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Speaker 5: I will say that the general public Democrats, Republicans, independence

929
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Speaker 5: has soured on the nets and Yahoo government for very

930
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Speaker 5: specific and valid reasons. And it's not just that Netsan

931
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Speaker 5: yah who has moved forward with an absolutely brutal, inhumane,

932
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Speaker 5: illegal war against the Palestinian people. It's that his government

933
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Speaker 5: is comprised of people who were so radical that you know,

934
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Speaker 5: one of the guys was too radical to join.

935
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Speaker 4: The idf Right.

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Speaker 5: People are really out of control, and so to the

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Speaker 5: extent that a pack is essentially echoing what Benjamin nets

938
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Speaker 5: and Yao, who says, I think it's quite reasonable to say, I,

939
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Speaker 5: respectfully would like to disaffiliate with you, folks. I have

940
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Speaker 5: said that directly to the leadership of APEC. I have

941
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Speaker 5: told them that their position of basically never straying from

942
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Speaker 5: the nuts and Yahou line has made Israel less safe,

943
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Speaker 5: has made peloticians less safe, has made Jews in the.

944
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Speaker 1: Diameters very correct.

945
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Speaker 5: You care about the cause of peace in the Middle East,

946
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Speaker 5: then there's no way to justify what Netanyahu has done

947
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Speaker 5: over the last couple of years.

948
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you no more. Jesse Cannon smiling.

949
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Speaker 2: Remember what we used to talk about woke generals? Really,

950
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Speaker 2: I don't.

951
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I forget everything we do. It's the only

952
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Speaker 1: way to stay saying.

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Speaker 4: So.

954
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Speaker 2: There used to be these jokes that the conservatives talked

955
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Speaker 2: about generals like that they are sitting around and reading

956
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: critical race theory all day. So now Pete Haigsith is

957
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: losing it because a general who was in charge of

958
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Speaker 2: of striking down boats that we don't know if we're

959
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: actually dealing drugs is now like, nah, this is too

960
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: much for me. I'm out.

961
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Speaker 1: So I think it's important to take a minute here

962
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Speaker 1: to realize that this administration has been blowing up ships

963
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Speaker 1: in the Caribbean, literally blowing up ships in the Caribbean

964
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Speaker 1: because they say they think they're drug traffickers. There is

965
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Speaker 1: no evidence to support the fact that they're drug traffickers.

966
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Speaker 1: We are not at war with Venezuela. This is just

967
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Speaker 1: insane bullshit that is illegal. Okay, yet another place where

968
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Speaker 1: we can see this administration doing illegal shit. I think

969
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Speaker 1: that everyone should resign. This is like the question of

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Speaker 1: you know, Markalized had this really good point the other

971
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Speaker 1: day which was like, if you work in the DOJ,

972
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Speaker 1: resign because you are helping an authoritarian takeover. There are

973
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Speaker 1: no adults in the room. You are helping this crimey

974
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Speaker 1: crime crime Honoris crime criminal crime syndicate, and they are

975
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Speaker 1: killing people in the Caribbean for seemingly no reason. I mean,

976
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Speaker 1: maybe they have some reason, but because they hate Venezuela,

977
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Speaker 1: because they might think they're drugs. I mean, this is

978
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Speaker 1: like so bad. This is the kind of thing that

979
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Speaker 1: is so bad. We need new words for bad. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy is out. Admiral Averril Hulsey is out because

981
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Speaker 1: he thinks that blowing up Venezuela and drug boats or

982
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Speaker 1: just Venezuelan fishermen is not what he signed up for,

983
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Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I would like to see more of

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Speaker 1: those agreed. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear

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