WEBVTT - 1) The Perfect Weapon (REPUBLISH) 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:03.880 All eight episodes of The Die For are available now 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.000 to bench absolutely free, but for ad free listening and 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:11.440 exclusive bonuses, subscribe to tenorfoot plus at tenderfoot plus dot 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.560 com or on Apple podcasts. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:22.680 Warning, the following episode contains explicit language and sexual themes. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.280 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.959 My test test cool, Yeah good, Yeah, we're good. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:38.440 Okay. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:49.240 I never said this to anyone. Every woman can seduce 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.240 a man, and it doesn't matter how does she look. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:59.200 It's all about your skills, what do you say, how 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:03.320 do you touch, and how you're good and sex. That's it. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.920 The most important thing. Not to give him everything. That's 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.160 the same moment. So you cannot go to bed and 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:19.119 slippit him at the first day, unless it's a special 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.959 mission where you have to kill your target. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:32.440 Some spies use poisons, others use guns. But for Lea Rosa, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.120 who's sitting in front of me right now, her body 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.920 is made into a weapon by the Russian military her 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:43.600 mission to seduce powerful men for their secrets or sometimes 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.840 their lives. This type of intelligence work is known as 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.080 sex bionage, and it's much more dangerous than you think. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:57.320 What is sexpionage? Actually? These sex becomes like a drug, 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:03.600 and your target becomes like a drug addicted. When a 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.240 drug dealer wants to put someone on the needle, he 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.079 gives a little bit. He doesn't give straight away everything. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.560 So the same way you do. You give a little 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.120 bit sex, you give a little bit taste, and you tease, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.320 you tease till you make sure that your target becomes 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.760 addicted to you because you put so many anchors around 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:30.280 him and his brain in his body. Basically, the body 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.040 gets used to you, so he physically cannot be with 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.080 someone else. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:03:19.280 To kill you. Really sorry. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:43.800 Episode one, chapter one, the meeting. Our story begins with 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:44.440 the mafia. 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:46.520 I come from the mafia family. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:47.880 It's a mafia family. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:48.880 I mean. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.440 Not like some of the people that you you know 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.600 that will be say I'm connected in all that. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.760 My father actually did go before Robert Kennedy and McClelland and. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.600 The interview you're listening to me many years ago, speaking 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.960 with Johnny Fratto, also known as the Beverly Hills Gangster. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.840 His father worked under al Capone and his brother was 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.240 killed in the tragic plane crash that also took the 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:15.320 life of boxer Rocky Marciano. I have a question about 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.760 the mom, has it shamed? Right? 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:21.280 That does all movies. It doesn't exist, never did. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.520 I was publishing a book with Johnny about his colorful 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.839 and controversial life. We'd get together and he'd tell stories 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:28.440 for hours. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:30.880 I could judge. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:31.880 I don't belong in here. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.000 I'm twenty four years old. My wife is now pregnant 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.039 with my son, Johnny. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.600 I don't belong with him. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.479 After Fratto moved to Los Angeles, he set his sites 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.040 more on fame than racketeering, and unexpectedly became a recurring 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.400 guest on The Howard Stern Show. The son he just 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.200 mentioned grew up and wanted to leave the family business 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.799 and get into the film business. This is Johnny introducing 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.400 his son, Johnny Junior, to stan Lee, the legendary Marvel 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.840 Comics writer. My sight, he thinks he can you write 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:02.480 a movie. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.080 Everybody who's written his first movie has never written a 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.400 movie before, And why couldn't he do it right? 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.240 At least as I look like a writer? 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.880 What I look like one of the audio boys. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.560 Not long after this, Johnny Fratto died of lung cancer 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.320 at the age of sixty one. I didn't talk to 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.919 his son, Johnny Junior much after that. But one afternoon, 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.920 after years of silence, he called with an incredible story. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:33.560 So I have got a weird thing, like it's gonna 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.479 sound fucking strange to you, and I don't even really 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.839 know how to catch this to you. Where where do 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:44.279 I begin? Because you wrote the book The Game. I 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.880 met this girl that basically says she knows how to 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:52.120 seduce men, pick up men, do whatever, you know, Like basically, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.320 she can own any man in two fucking seconds. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.200 What Johnny's referring to here is an infamous book I 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.960 wrote over a decade ago. About two years I spent 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.799 undercover in a secret society of pickup artists. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.320 And here's the crazy part. She says she was a 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.640 Russian spy at one time. I mean, it's the craziest. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:10.920 She you ever heard. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:16.120 She told me that there's like a school that she 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.800 had to attend in Russia where she had to like 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.240 literally like have sex with her teachers in front of 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.160 the class, and have sex with different relationship from the class, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.600 and learn how to give perfect blow jobs. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.599 And I'm sitting here, I've literally never heard of anything 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.960 like this, and frankly found it hard to believe. I'm 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.599 sure the crude way Johnny Junior was speaking about it 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.240 wasn't helping any She was trained by the like Russian 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.080 government to seduce men and like get their secrets or whatever. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.520 Yeah, she was trained by Russia. She says to uh, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.040 you know, fucking give the perfect blowjob, to fuck a 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.160 guy perfectly. And I kind of believe her, man, I mean, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.600 I really do think she's telling the truth. And it's 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.360 a little weird, but I thought, you know, if there's 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.200 any one guy in the fucking world that it would 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.000 be up as aally, it's you. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.359 And can I ask ask the obvious question, which is 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:05.200 how did you meet her? 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.680 I met her through an Armenian guy named Art, and 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.800 Art's adapper, probably the most dapper little guy I've ever met. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.040 And he said, you know, Johnny, there's somebody that you 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:17.600 got to meet. You got to come over here. It's 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.080 very special. I said, Okay, well what is it? So 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:24.600 I get there, he introduces me. Obviously, she's beautiful, I mean, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.400 like she says, she was trained to go in and 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.640 fucking do with like fucking heads of state and shit 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:29.000 like that. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.680 Wow. And then how would you described like her just 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:33.880 as a person in general? 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.200 You know, she's very kind, of like a cool seductress 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.080 that looks you straight in the eye all the time 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.040 and kind of always knows the right thing to say. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.360 Every single thing I was saying to her, she just 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.040 had the perfect retort because I was, you know, I'm 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.360 not trying to be an asshole, but you know, look, 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:52.480 this town is hard. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.120 A couple more questions, how do we know she's not 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:03.200 still working for the Russian government? Johnny said. I could 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.000 ask her that question and any others I had when 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.680 I met her. I figured if the Russian government wanted 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:19.960 to get me, they were probably easier ways. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.360 May man, what's going on you? 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.400 I really miss you, man, I mean, Jesus, last time 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.200 I saw you was what my dad's funeral or something? 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.400 Was funeral Jesus Christ. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.960 Johnny introduced me to the woman standing next to him. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.360 She was tall, with dyed blonde haircut short and stylish, 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.160 and wearing what looked like very expensive designer clothing. This 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.320 was the reputed former Russian spy Aliah. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.760 Rosa Rosa neil Strauss. I want you guys to meet 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:45.160 each other. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:46.920 Thank you so much for an introduction. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:50.640 I'm telling you, by the end of the night, you 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:51.400 guys are going to be best. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.640 We sat down for dinner with a few other people 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.640 that invited to get their take on the situation, including 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.079 a former top breaking agent at the CIA. That's what 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.640 you have both on the spot and do I tell 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:03.760 a little bit about a Leah And then. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.840 I always have to get permission first because her story 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.640 is kind of crazy. Do I have permission to basically 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:13.880 get fucking crazy with it? 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.400 Tell her what you're really fantastic. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.959 I'm gonna tell the truth. So I'm gonna say some 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.320 last this woman right here and this is no ship 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.520 went through a training. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.679 Thing that Johnny Junior then repeats much of what he 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.240 told me earlier in the same crass language. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.440 I know that sounds too bad, but but it just 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:34.480 I'm just telling true. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:35.400 So anyway, that's. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.760 It is that is that is that introduction. Freaking thoughts 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:40.760 of the introduction. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:41.920 Okay, I. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.080 Mean it was authentic, right. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.080 So it's often right. I'm just going about I'm just 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.880 saying what I you. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.320 Know, I know, yes, I know, But there's much more 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:52.880 to the story. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.520 It's clear that Aliyah is a little uncomfortable and that 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.880 there's a lot more to her story. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.480 Never ever before I shared this story with anyone, including 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:05.320 my parents. Nobody knows those people who knew they were killed. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.439 After the dinner, I spoke with my source from the CIA, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.800 who didn't want his name or voice to be used, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.640 and asked what he thought. She seems credible? He replied, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.679 but her story is incredible. Anything that is a great dinner, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:30.840 that's one. It was an odd dinner that basically the CIA, 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.120 the KGB, and the mafia, and I was left with 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.880 more questions about Alea Rosa than answers. And to me, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:55.680 that's always a good sign to move forward. Chapter two, 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:06.719 A dirty Organization. After meeting Aliyah, I decided to look 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.200 more into her story. There wasn't a lot online, but 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.000 I did find a few items legitimizing her, a few 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.600 items delegitimizing her, and a social media page that was 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:21.600 very influencery. Then I looked into actual evidence of a 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.280 seduction program operated by the Russian government, and there was 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.920 no in depth information online. It seemed like something out 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.680 of a spy movie. You made such a bold entrance 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:32.920 into a little drama. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:38.000 Two doesn't appreciate the occasion with twists, mister Bond. 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.480 James, I probably wouldn't have believed it at all, if 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.840 not for a strange experience I had a decade earlier, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.560 I received a call out of the blue from a 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.560 special agent at the FBI. We are dedicated to national 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.160 security investigations of the highest order, he told me. He 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.200 went on to reveal two things that shocked me. The 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.360 first is that my book The Game was required for 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.679 his agents. The second was that he'd like me to 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.120 fly to Washington and train a group of field agents 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.360 and analysts on the art of seduction. It was an 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.720 offer I couldn't say no to talking. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.160 You know, I would say, what do you feel like 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.480 dealing to that? What feels right for you? You know, 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.800 because I'm talking in your ranche was I'm talking a 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.640 visual person. I'm like, what do you see yourself doing tonight? 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.600 How do you see yourself going out to this world? 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.880 Because I know they're going to be visualizing and these 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.199 things are really key for getting report. It's talking. It's 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:32.440 called modalities. If you want to talk in the primary modality, and. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.240 This is this is that I'll be with. So I 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.840 called Robin Drieke, one of the agents who was present 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.359 at that session and the former head of the FBI's 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.400 behavioral Analysis program, to ask why was the FBI learning 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:45.319 the art of seduction? 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:46.800 We brought you in. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.040 A benefit of what you brought to us was a 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.840 deep understanding of human psychology. And in our work where 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:59.079 you're developing confidential human sources and recruiting spies, the understanding 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.800 of how to develop quick for poor and attraction is 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.679 key and critical minus going for romantic interactions. A lot 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.560 of those other techniques are extremely effective. And you brought 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.400 a vast amount of personal, real life experience to that 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.959 with the book, and you're coming in and training with us. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.400 It's so interesting. So I'll feel you at and get 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.720 your getting your thoughts and at dinner, Eliah said she'd 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.080 worked for a Russian intelligence agency called the FSB, which 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.719 I never heard of before, So I asked Robin to 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.760 give me a little background on how Russian spy programs operate. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.480 So in general AT mirrors ours pretty closely, and like 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:40.080 their SVR is the equivalent of our CIA, and their 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.480 GRU that's the Russian Military Intelligence is the equivalent of 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.600 our DEIA Defense Intelligence Agency. Their FSB is the equivalent 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:53.040 of our FBI. They see intelligence more as a as 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.439 a factory event in the sense of this an assembly line. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.080 I don't remember the exact number, but at the height 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.560 of the Cold War, before the KGB broke into the 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.960 SVR and the FSB, I think that the number of 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.360 employees that were part of the KGB were in the 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:13.560 millions compared to a handful of our operatives overseas. For 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.920 the like the CIA and DA and A are an 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.400 intelligence machine. They suck it all in and they collect it. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.680 All Why, I asked Robin, does Russia have this evidently 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.840 deserved reputation as the world capital of spying? 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.280 The gross domestic product GDP of Russia it's like Italy's 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.760 or Texas. I mean, it's not huge. And when you're 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.840 a country that relies on hydrocarbons for your economy and 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.440 that can fluctuate as much as it has been fluctuating 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.080 definitely in the last bunch of years, you don't have 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.280 They don't have a huge economy. It's not very strong. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.800 And so when you're cash strapped and you're trying to 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.760 be the big boy on the world stage, if you 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.200 don't have the military because you can't support it, you're 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.600 going to do it in another way. And they do 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.400 it in intelligence, because intelligence collection the way they do. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.520 It is a lot cheaper than anything else. And they 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.520 send their messages whether they're going to publicly, even though 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.600 they say it's not public, but you know, killing people 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.880 with depleted uranium, there's a lot of other ways that 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.680 take someone out silently. Those things are made for public 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.160 statements saying we can find you anywhere in the world 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.760 and we'll take you out. And that's intelligence operations. And 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.880 it's a lot cheaper doing that than anything else, and 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.560 so that's why they utilize their intelligence organizations to do 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:25.000 just that. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.360 I fill in Robin who spent twenty two years recruiting 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.480 Russian spies on a lia's seduction training with the FSB, 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.600 and ask him what he thinks. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:43.119 Anecdotally and totally believable, the FSB that is a dirty organization. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.600 You know, it's an organization that is founded on doing 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.880 things just like that. I mean, they use honey traps. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.360 They use it with Clayton Loan Tree, and I know 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.280 there's been others that just don't hit the news. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.240 We'll get into the story of Clayton Loan Tree and 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.560 some of those others later in this podcast, and we'll 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.160 also talk more about honey traps. The honey in this 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.800 term is the agent who's seducing a target, and the 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.000 trap is now that I have evidence you've slept with me, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.360 or now that you've fallen completely in love with me, 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:15.960 here's what I want from you. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.680 No one volunteers the FSB. That's why they have to 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.760 use honey traps and train people to do that, because 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.840 they're dicks. If you're a foreign diplomat over in their country, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.440 they're going to harass to live in hell out of you, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.120 and then they're going to try to trap you and 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.240 coerce you into cooperation. That is not the way to 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.240 recruit a human being. That does not make anyone feel safe. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.800 I ask if the United States has seduction spies, and 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.160 Robin claims that they do not. Even taking a source 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.120 to a strip club and using government money for that, 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.360 he says, would be a political liability. When she was 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.640 talking about her experience, you're just there and you stay 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.640 there out of fear. It's like if you leave, your 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:56.800 life's going to be destroyed. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.000 I mean, you know this for the world you've been in. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.840 That's a broken toy, and broken toys have an unhealthy 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.040 outlook on the world. Unless they've realized that they've been 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:07.760 through counseling. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.840 Now find what you mean by a broken toy. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.880 First of all, people that are susceptible to being recruited 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.959 or trafficked, because basically she's human. Trafficked is what she is. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.160 There was a need in her life that wasn't being 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.960 fulfilled somewhere else, and the FSB came in and fulfilled 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.720 that need to be seen, heard, and valued by others, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.720 and then they manipulated that against her. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.200 Keep in mind that I don't know a lot yet 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.040 about a Leah's story or how she was recruited, and 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.360 neither is Robin. He's basing this analysis on his intelligence experience. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.000 To me, there's no difference between a child predator and 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.440 what they did to her. What welcomed to the world 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:52.480 of Russian intelligence. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.120 Chapter three, The target. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:26.040 Nice to seem really excited to share it with you. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.200 It's a sunny Wednesday afternoon in Malibu and Alia Rosa 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.640 has come over to discuss the podcast. When someone says 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.880 they've been trained their whole life in the art of seduction, 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.480 you tend to question everything they say and do and 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.840 wonder if it's all a manipulation. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:48.199 I love your shoes, they're so cool. Yes, Maria, I 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.159 have never seen anything like this, really stylish, like my 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:53.440 son would really love it. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.240 There's a controversial and often hurtful technique that the pickup 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.160 artists in the game taught, and it called the nag. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.199 You give someone what appears to be a compliment and 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.240 then say something slightly backhanded so that they're not quite 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.320 sure if they're being complimented or insulted. And that's exactly 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.760 what Leah just did to me. Lee is brought over 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.119 a bottle of wine, which doesn't often happen in the 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.639 meetings I attend. I handle the corkscrew will I go 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.800 to check on my son. When I get back, the 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.000 wine is unopened, and she hands the corkscrew back to me. 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.920 I get the funny feeling that she's trying to prove 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:32.879 to me that she hasn't tampered with the wine. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.480 Okay, right, cheers first, cheers, have your Thanksgiving? 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.600 Yes, but did you purposely not open the wine so 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.720 you knew I could trust the wine. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.119 You left to see to check on your son. I 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.280 could drop something, you know, you know, like yeah, I 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.560 know that you have this kind of like assaults. It's 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.359 normal you and putting you are the same type. Believe 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:59.639 it or not, you protect yourself, your environment, your family. 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.520 Of course it's a good thing. That's what putting us. 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.000 He also protects his country. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.000 I'm not sure how to feel about that put In comment, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:13.080 and that's probably just what Aleah wants. Another nag. She 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.200 then shares something else that really messes with my mind, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.600 something that just may be true given what Robin Drake 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.879 from the FBI just shared with me. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.560 Actually, like you'd be surprised. There's so many agents working 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:32.919 in America, like so many, Yeah, even in Malibu, Like 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:39.400 you know, seriously, just be aware. Don't say anything about putting. 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.440 I mean yeah, I sound like like kind of like, 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.879 don't say it is kind of like putting some fears, 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.280 but like it's better not really too. I mean, when 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.840 Americans discussed like Biden, no Trump, it's kind of like yeah, okay, 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.600 But once they discuss about like putting, there are always 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:05.040 many years around. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.720 I turned the discussion to the podcast. Even though the 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.080 period of li is talking about as many years ago, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.520 I assume Putins still wouldn't be happy about her sharing 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:28.639 state secrets. Speaking that are there concerns for safety in 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.680 speaking out and telling your story and sharing all this information. 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:40.000 To say I'm not scared, I would lie. Yes, of course, 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.120 I am a mother of thirteen years old son. Yes 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:48.439 of course I'm scared. I don't know what might happen, 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.760 right if I will beat that tomorrow, Let's say I 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.560 know that my son, even it would be so hard 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.679 for him, he will grow up and he'll respect me 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:06.160 for that. At least I had enough courage and bravery 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:10.679 to stand up and speak out against this evil. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.600 That evil, she explains, is more than just puttin. 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:23.760 Sharing that life events is a proof of how corrupted 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:30.320 the whole system is and how the male dominance is 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:39.000 just so strong there that being a female in Russia, 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.640 it means that you're almost like you have the same 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:47.840 rights like a dog. And it's it's just not even 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:53.000 like it's not right, but this is this isn't a human. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:23:00.640 The other question is, if we're going to go tell story, 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:07.920 are you comfortable just just sharing all your experiences, good 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:12.400 or bad, and no matter what people may think. 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:20.600 I don't feel comfortable at all. Honestly, I don't want 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.439 people to think that I like I can kill people. 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.479 I'm a murder. You know, it's a bad kind of 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.520 like you know she could kill people, then maybe she 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:31.760 can do it now, who knows? You know, she doesn't 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:37.879 have this stop because on the good side, I protected 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.720 my country great and I tried to survive. On the 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:46.679 bad side, I'm still a murderer. I still killed some people, 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.639 and I still feel guilty for that. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.439 And asked Johnny when I first spoke to him, Oh, 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.960 how do I know she's not still working for Russian Intelligence? 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:07.720 You know what, I don't know how to answered this question. Really, 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.199 how do you know if i'm if I'm like, I 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:19.840 may still work for puts in right, because I will 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:23.359 reveal the real truth was going on there and what 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:28.120 was happening before. When I heard about the Ukrainian War, 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.960 I felt that moment that I really want to speak out. 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.359 I felt like I can't just sit down there and 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:38.879 just be silenced like I was all this time. 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.080 Looking back in the time you were in Russian intelligence, 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:51.800 do you think you were a hero or a victim? 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.840 Definitely victim, But brain was that I was a hero. 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:04.160 I plainly. In my interview with Robin Drake, she pauses 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.560