1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: It's back. It's one more thing. I'm strong and Geddi 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: one more. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: That's a rather light intro. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Do you remember nine to eleven? 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: I don't approve, yes, I remember nine to eleven. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Do you remember nineteen seventy nine in Iran? In the 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: hostages and a whole bunch of other things in between. 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: Fundamentalist violent Islamists are back and they are feistier than ever. 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: So we got this story out of Russia that happened 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: over the weekend. If you haven't heard this. 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: This was a serious coordinated terror attack in Dagistan in 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: southern Russia. Multiple heavily armed gunman appeared to have simultaneously 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: attacked two churches and two synagogues in the regional capital, 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: Mahtchkela and in another city's events a synagogue also Inflames 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: authority we say at least nine people were killed, seven 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 3: of them police officers, as well as an Orthodox priest, 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: and another dozen police officers also injured. 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Now police say they have now killed at least six attackers. 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 3: This is one of the biggest attacks in years, and 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: it will be raising questions whether Russia's security forces are 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 3: overstretched by the war in Ukraine. 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: Fundamentalist Islamic nutjobs open fire on a church, a synagogue, 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: and a police checkpoint in two cities in the southern province, 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: killed more than nineteen police officers and several civilians along 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: with an Orthodox priest. Russia's predominantly Muslim and southernmost province 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: has been the site of many Islamist attacks. 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm far from an expert on Dagistan, good Lord, 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: but the whole Islamic group attacks, I think there are 29 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: three brands of it. Number One, Islamist groups that are 30 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: trying to bring about the caliphate and the glory of 31 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: the prophet and just kill people to take over to 32 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: spread Islam. Then you've got the armed thug gangs who 33 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: use Islam as kind of a hook and a recruiting tool. 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: And then you've got the situation where and you've seen 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: this a fair mountain Chechhnia and Dagystan, other places in 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: the southern part of the Soviet Union now Russia where 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: they're kind of political separatist movements that also have an 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: Islamic flare to them. They're really resentful that an atheist 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: like Putin makes them dance to his tune. So Islam 40 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: is mixed in there. But it's kind of a different 41 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: degree anyway. 42 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: Well, like, where do you put a Ran in Hamas? 43 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they are do they believe what they're saying 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: that the Jews need to die and Israel needs to go. 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: But they're they're getting you know, the leadership in Hamas, 46 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: they're getting awful rich off of this. 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah there is oh, yeah, that's true. But the people 48 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: who do the killing, the rank and file, I believe 49 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: there's yeah, plenty of vehement Islamism going on in that. 50 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. I just wonder if the guys in the hotels 51 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: in Dubai believe any of that stuff or care. They 52 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: just like living in five star hotels and riding around 53 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: the Mercedes. 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting question. I don't know. 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't know either. But then this story that came 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: out over the weekend, and this is troubling. This deserves 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: way more attention. Mike Morell, former number two at the CIA, 58 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: guy I've had a lot of trouble with over the 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: many years he was in the Clinton administration. Goes that 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: far back. He's one of the former spooks who signed 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: that letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop has all the 62 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: hallmarks of Russian disinformation. So he's that kind of guy, 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: and he's never apologized for it. But he's also, over 64 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: the many years, as I've watched him on so many 65 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: different shows, often had some damned interesting information that ran 66 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: counter to sometimes his side's beliefs. Anyway, he was talking 67 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: about this video that I forget how it got on Earthed. 68 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: Maybe he mentions this in the clip videos out of 69 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: a Saudi obviously casing sites in DC for the nine 70 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: to eleven attack. Let's listen to listen to Mike Morrell 71 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: on Face the Nation. 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 4: No doubt in my mind that it is a casing video, 73 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: that it is a casing video for some sort of 74 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 4: terrorist attack. Number one, number two. Pretty clear to me 75 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: that al Bayoumi was was either working for al Qaeda 76 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 4: or was al Qaeda. Did he know about the nine 77 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: to eleven attacks? Probably not. Did he know that the 78 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: two individuals he was interacting with were nine to eleven hijackers? 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: Probably not. 80 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 4: But no doubt in my mind that al Qaeda tasked 81 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 4: him to do this casing video. 82 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: This, well, I'll let I'll let Morell do this. Main 83 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: thing he doesn't mention, Narre, I'll fill in. Here's more. 84 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: The video is billing. 85 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: It's chilling in terms of what he was, what he 86 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 4: was videotaping, his narration over the top of it, which 87 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: which is part what tells you was a casing video, 88 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 4: and his his his extremist comments. Let me just give 89 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: you two examples, Margaret on on the casing part. At 90 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: one point he says, I will get over he's looking 91 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 4: at the Washington Monument. I will get over there and 92 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 4: I will report. I will report to you in detail. 93 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: What is there. 94 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: He's talking to somebody, right, he's and and he talks 95 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: about a pelis not like a tourist video. And then 96 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 4: in terms of the extremism he's he's he's looking at 97 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: the Capitol and he says, they say that our kids 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 4: are demons. However, these are the demons what he's looking at. 99 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: So that guy believes it. He believes the Islamic fundamentalist 100 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: job stuff there. Obviously, so was he. So he's a 101 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: Saudi and he now lives in Saudi Arabia. The brill 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: the Bridge had this video of him case in the place, 103 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: gave it to the FBI, and then it just disappeared 104 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: in the inner works of the FBI. Was that a 105 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: we didn't want it a really you know, that uncomfortable 106 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: thing that happened in the beginning when it turned out, hey, 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: all these hijackers are from Saudi Arabia, are like eighteen 108 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: of the twenty one or whatever, and we you know 109 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: out Sada Arabia's a friend of ours. So did we 110 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: just let that get lost in the FBI bureaucracy so 111 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: that we wouldn't have another layer of this is uncomfortable? 112 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everything you've said is one hundred percent true. 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 2: Starting with the Bush administration, they said, look, the Saudis 114 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: are a strategic partner in the Middle East for a 115 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: variety of goals. These were dissidents that they were way 116 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: too easy on, mostly even though some of the quote 117 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: unquote dissidents were awfully close to the halls of power. 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure there were behind the scenes assurances from the 119 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: Saudis that this s ends now, but do not embarrass it, 120 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: and the Bush administration subsequent administrations agreed. 121 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: So Morell doesn't believe this guy knew the guys that 122 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: he was helping were hijackers or anything about the nine 123 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: to eleven plot. So was he part of a completely 124 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: separate plot with some other people that was planned, and 125 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: after nine to eleven happened, for whatever reason, they canceled 126 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: it or got him out of here. 127 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: No, I would guess it's kind of violent revolutionary cell 128 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: one oh one. He is tasked with a very specific task, 129 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: with no information why he's doing it or what it's 130 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: going to lead to, or the names of anybody else 131 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: or whatever. He segment everything so put it in micro 132 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: cells so nobody can report on anybody else. 133 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: O way, what a weird relationship we have with Saudi Arabia, 134 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: of course, what a weird relationship that MBS has with 135 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: the craziest people in his country. 136 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's and a lot of us learn this 137 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: in the wake of nine to eleven, especially, But he 138 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: lets the fundamentalists operate in the hinter lands more or 139 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: less unmolested. In return, they won't attack the regime. 140 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: If you have any interest in that, read The Looming 141 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: Tower by Lawrence Wright. Fascinating it is, indeed. 142 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's so many great books I've got piled 143 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: up to read. I don't spend hardly any time reading books, 144 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: and I really need to, including audio books. I've got 145 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: a stack, and then I've got a stack of books. 146 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: I really ought to reread. 147 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Audiobooks are the greatest thing. Accessibility to affordable audio books 148 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: is the greatest thing that's happened to my reading in 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: a long time. Love it, Love it, Love it because 150 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier for me to listen to a 151 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: book while I'm walking the dog, doing the dishes, running 152 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: to pick up the kids from football practice, all that 153 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, then sit there with a book in 154 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: my hands and actually look at the words. Come on 155 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: a quantum mechanics kick right now? With a book? Oh wow, 156 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: so damned interesting. I finally came across one that explains 157 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: it in a way I think I understand it. Well, 158 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,479 Speaker 1: actually I don't understand it. That's a famous quote from 159 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: which of the famous physicists that was involved in discovering 160 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: all this thing, Neil's boor maybe him. But anybody who 161 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: says they understand quantum mechanics doesn't understand quantum mechanics, and 162 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: he invented it. 163 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: How many me mechanics does it take to fix a 164 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: quantum huh? 165 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? Anyway, as I learned more about that, I'll try 166 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: to present that an understandable way. 167 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: But I do love How do you think it'll compare 168 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: to your presentations on say cryptocurrency, Oh. 169 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: Way way better, way way better. I still don't understand 170 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: cryptocurrency at all and really have not much interest in learning, 171 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, way better on quantum mechanics. 172 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you. I've always been so completely mystified 173 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: by that stuff. I figure, ah, I got limited bandwidth. 174 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: I'll focus on other things. 175 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: Well. Fineman, the other physicist from the Oppenheimer movie, he 176 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: famously said he is the father of the leading edge 177 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: of quantum mechanics. When he died, he said, nobody understands 178 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: quantum mechanics. So the people that discovered this stuff and 179 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: wrote about it say, it's impossible to understand. 180 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: Well, what would be your one to three sentence description 181 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: of what is quantum mechanics? 182 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, they just think that it's provable, 183 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: that exit that it exists, but trying to understand the 184 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: why and what of it and everything like that. When 185 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: you get inside an atom. They still teach us to 186 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: this day that the atom is basically like its own 187 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: little solar system, and you got the you know, the 188 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: planet that is the nucleus, and the electrons going around 189 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: like the planets and everything like that. But the quantum 190 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: mechanics theory is it's not like that at all. And 191 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: these things operate in ways that defy everything we know 192 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: about physics in the universe. They defy gravity, they defy 193 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: time and space. They disappear and show up there without 194 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: any way of figuring it out. How it's it's just 195 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: it's a breakdown and everything everybody believes about physics. 196 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: And what about neutrons, Why won't they take a position cowardice? 197 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: That's why, and that's why Einstein didn't didn't like it, 198 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: and was he argued so forcefully against it was Look 199 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: until you can come up with like a mathematical formula 200 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: that explains this, then what are we doing here but 201 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: the other And he seems to have lost the day. 202 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: The people that have won the day over the years, 203 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: Fineman and Neil's Bourne those is just no, it's it. 204 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: We can see it. We have microscopes at this point. 205 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: We can we can see that. But they defy the 206 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: laws that Newton came up with of all those things 207 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: I just mentioned, And what the hell does that mean 208 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: about the world if there's something going on. 209 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: Neil's Borr renamed himself Neil Boortz and started pushing the 210 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: flat tax if I recall properly. 211 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: But if if if at the smallest level, things don't 212 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: behave following any of the laws of nature, what does 213 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: that mean? Some people think that is is the the 214 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: proof that, okay, there is something like God and the 215 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: whole nother world that we can't see in all these 216 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: different things. Some people say it's not. 217 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: To quote the great physicist Don Henley, thinking of myself, 218 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: she just looked at me uncomprehendingly, like a cow at 219 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: a passing train. That's how I get when you're talking 220 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: about quantum physics. I've always loved that line. 221 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 3: I'm currently listening to an audiobook on why CB radio failed. 222 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: Well, why, good buddy, why, I guess that's it.