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Speaker 1: Wednesday Morning Podcast. Tony Dungee thirteen years as a head coach,

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Speaker 1: a winner in twelve Super Bowl as a player and

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Speaker 1: a coach, one of four people to ever win that

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl as a player and a coach, will

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Speaker 1: be joining us in five minutes. So I think USC

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Speaker 1: should go get an NFL coach. I think name, image

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Speaker 1: likeness is going to be a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: avalanche to the next decade. And these NFL coaches are

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Speaker 1: not control freaks. They've dealt with players getting paid. They're

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Speaker 1: very comfortable with it. They've got owners in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: they're not in the I have to control everything business,

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Speaker 1: I said Doug Peterson to me, Matt Naggie, if if

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Speaker 1: the Bears fired him, Anthony Lynn, all one playoff games

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Speaker 1: in the NFL all have a presence. If you go

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Speaker 1: look at USC, Miami and UCLA, three urban universities. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the coaches that have had the most success,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, John Robinson, USC pro coaches, Chip Kelly pro

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Speaker 1: coach is getting it rolling, Dick Vermeil, ucla pro coach.

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Speaker 1: How about Miami last time they won? Butch Davis, Dennis Ericson,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. When you get to these big distracted cities,

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Speaker 1: you need a big presence to cut through. I always

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Speaker 1: said this about Georgetown basketball when USC was at its best.

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Speaker 1: I remember Kirk kirp Street saying to me, he goes,

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Speaker 1: when I go to USC games, it's it's college, but

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Speaker 1: not just college. It feels like somewhere between the NFL

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Speaker 1: and college. And that's what the Miami Hurricanes felt like.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the Georgetown Hoyas felt like with Ewing

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Speaker 1: Georgetown in DC. It was a college basketball program, but

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Speaker 1: it had the attitude and the intimidation and personality of

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Speaker 1: a pro team. So did USC with Pete Carroll, So

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Speaker 1: did Miami with Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Ericson. This is

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Speaker 1: not rural America. These are distracted markets. There's pro sports

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Speaker 1: everywhere you gotta cut through, and I just think in

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Speaker 1: same names. James Franklin's not getting this job. He's making

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Speaker 1: eight and a half million a year at Penn State.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to buy him out for four million. So

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Speaker 1: that's four million and a buy out. He would want

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Speaker 1: at least ten to twelve million to coach USC to

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Speaker 1: make the money right because LA so expensive. His staff

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Speaker 1: to be twenty five million dollars for a coach. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to write that check. They're also in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: not going to let somebody walk in and control the program.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't work that way. This is not aimes, Iowa. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is not a small town where you know Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. That's

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Speaker 1: fine in Alabama. That's not going to work here. So

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Speaker 1: I think they're these very unique college cities Miami, Los

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Speaker 1: thinks big, but God, if I have to see Chris

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Speaker 1: that Bob Stoops has been offered three or four jobs.

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Speaker 1: He's not doing it. James Franklin, USC's not going to

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Speaker 1: have to they have to have the secretary, they have

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Speaker 1: to have the budgets. That's just not what USC's gonna do. Also,

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve television contract right now is a mess.

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Speaker 1: It's a mass. USC is highly political. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: a perfect job. It's not nineteen ninety. It's not Pete

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Speaker 1: and frankly, the demands are intense, and the minute you

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Speaker 1: lose a game, people are uninterested. You don't get the

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Speaker 1: You gotta get an NFL guy, go big. God. College

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Speaker 1: Now you write the teams down. California is the fifth

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Speaker 1: biggest economy in the world. It leads the way for

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Speaker 1: Football Night in America. It's been a great privilege to

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Speaker 1: He's really smart, Tony. I talked to Peyton Manning recently.

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Speaker 1: time you and Tony locked horns. And he told the

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Speaker 1: You know, it is interesting because Tony, I'm I like guys.

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Speaker 1: once Tony he felt you needed three weeks of hitting,

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Speaker 1: intense hitting. But that doesn't necessarily mean three weeks of games.

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Speaker 1: Where do you land today on scrimmages, practices, preseason, game participation.

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Speaker 1: you know, I remember hearing that from somebody inside the organization.

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Speaker 1: He liked going up against you, He loved going up

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Speaker 1: against Pete Carroll. He liked Bill liked the intellectual challenge.

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Speaker 1: I mean his mom spoke like seven languages. You knew

428
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Speaker 1: you were getting something. You know, you were getting something

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Speaker 1: pretty high end from Bill. Do you it was there

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Speaker 1: ever a moment that you walked off the field and

431
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Speaker 1: thought I got the best of Bill. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to publicly say it, but I got the best of him. No,

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Speaker 1: you know, you always felt like you were fortunate when

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Speaker 1: you won the games. We knew, probably from two thousand

435
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Speaker 1: and three on, that these were gonna be close games

436
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Speaker 1: that were gonna go back and forth. You were gonna

437
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Speaker 1: have to play your best. You couldn't have lead downs.

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Speaker 1: You know, For me, that the ultimate was we're down

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Speaker 1: twenty one three and as championship game, and we talked

440
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Speaker 1: about it, Hey, they're gonna come out with some things

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Speaker 1: that we aren't ready for. We've got to keep it

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Speaker 1: close and a dead well. We wanted it to be

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Speaker 1: closer than twenty one three, but we had to adapt

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Speaker 1: and we did, and we fought back through it and

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Speaker 1: we won. We took the lead with a minute left

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Speaker 1: in the game, and I remember telling our team afterwards

447
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Speaker 1: that is how you have to play. I'm proud of

448
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Speaker 1: you guys for hanging in there and not giving up.

449
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: And that's when you felt like and we did a

450
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Speaker 1: good job today. There's a bunch of young quarterbacks. Some

451
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Speaker 1: will play immediate at least, some like Trey Lance, have

452
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Speaker 1: a better situation. They can slowly be kind of moved

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Speaker 1: and into the offense. What as a fan, that's what

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Speaker 1: I am in the end, I'm a broadcaster, but I'm

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Speaker 1: a fan. When you looked at young quarterbacks, what was

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Speaker 1: an early sign, even either they were yours or you

457
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Speaker 1: were facing them, an early sign that, oh, that's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a problems This isn't going to work.

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Speaker 1: Or the opposite, oh he does that well. There are

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Speaker 1: there traits Tony that are problematic that you spot that

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Speaker 1: that just historically in your thirty five forty years, like

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Speaker 1: if a guy can't do blank, it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I was felt there were two things NFL quarterbacks needed.

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Speaker 1: They needed. Number one, they need toys and the ability

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Speaker 1: to filter everything out and do what they do in

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Speaker 1: the high presure situation. And then number two, they need accuracy.

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Speaker 1: I remember I played on the forty nine team when

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Speaker 1: Joe Montana was a rookie and he came in and

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Speaker 1: you saw that he was so cool and calm and collected,

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Speaker 1: and then every ball was right between the numbers, and

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Speaker 1: so even when he wasn't playing, and you said, man,

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Speaker 1: this guy he's got that. He's got the poise, he's

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Speaker 1: got the actual. So you looked at Kaid Manning, Brady,

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Speaker 1: you know all the great ones they had that they

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Speaker 1: could put the ball right where they want and they

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Speaker 1: have poise. Now you can see a quarterback who's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of other things when they're not accurate or

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Speaker 1: they tend to get rattled. Then you say, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's going to be a great NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So we have a lot of young quarterbacks. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to throw out a name of young quarterbacks and you

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Speaker 1: just give me, as a former defensive coach, what you

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Speaker 1: see what would be a challenge. So I'll just throw

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Speaker 1: a names at you. Justin Herbert of the Chargers, great kid.

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Speaker 1: I got to know of him out in Oregon. He's

486
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Speaker 1: from you, Jane, I spent a lot of time out there.

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Speaker 1: Everybody talked so highly about him as a person, and

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Speaker 1: then you see the ball skills that he has and

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's a great kid. He went back

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Speaker 1: to the University of Oregon when he could have been

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Speaker 1: a top five drafts or because he wanted to play

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Speaker 1: with his brother and he wanted to help Oregon win

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Speaker 1: a national championship. Those kind of things sell you on someone.

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Speaker 1: And he's I think he's gonna be tremendous. You know,

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Speaker 1: Tony in college he not only was a four point

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Speaker 1: two student, he was he was a tutor in biology class. Yes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are the kind of things that you say that

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Speaker 1: that clicks a guy up and notch in your book,

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Speaker 1: and you know you're going to keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: someone like that, no question. Other end of the scale,

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Speaker 1: I have my reservations, Tah tah is. He has pois

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Speaker 1: and he has accuracy. Now, what we've got to see

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Speaker 1: is that that special playmaking ability, that extra something, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be very very good. He's in

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Speaker 1: a good system, they got a great team. Is he

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Speaker 1: going to bring that little extra that you need in

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Speaker 1: those playoff games? That's what We've got to see, but

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Speaker 1: I think he's on track to be a very good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna be that special guy that's going to

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Speaker 1: take you to a couple of championships? I think the

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Speaker 1: jury is still out. Joe Burrow Bengals. He's got that charisma,

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Speaker 1: He's got it and he the moment is never too

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Speaker 1: big for him. He's always going on a play to

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Speaker 1: his top level. Um, I think he's he's a winner.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be dynamic. So I said this. I've

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Speaker 1: been a huge defender of Lamar Jackson, and one of

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Speaker 1: the things I've said is, listen, he cares so deeply.

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Speaker 1: He's not perfect. Okay, Elion Brady couldn't move. I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking for perfect, but he's never distracted. His body has changed.

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Speaker 1: He cares so much about winning and losing, and I

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Speaker 1: wonder if you coached him would it He's a playmaker.

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Speaker 1: My argument is, Okay, he's not a great up the

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Speaker 1: sideline thrower, but nobody else can move like him. Would

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Speaker 1: you ever be uncomfortable with the times he runs or

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Speaker 1: the hits he takes? How would you feel about Lamar Jackson? No,

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Speaker 1: He's going to learn and he's so super competitive that

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Speaker 1: he is running into traffic, he's taking hits that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to take, and he'll learn not to do that.

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Speaker 1: But I would love to coach Lamar Jackson to have

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Speaker 1: him be my quarterback. He gives the defense so much headache.

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Speaker 1: There's things you can't do against Lamar Jackson on defense.

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Speaker 1: He may not have the super accuracy that I'm looking for,

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Speaker 1: but his mobility more than makes up of that. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be special. I think he's

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Speaker 1: going to win a Super Bowl before he's finished. How

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Speaker 1: would you defend him? You have to keep him in

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Speaker 1: the pocket. You've got to rush under control. You've got

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Speaker 1: to make him throw the ball outside the numbers, and

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Speaker 1: you got to keep him from running right now. And

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Speaker 1: that's it sounds easy, but it's not when you say,

541
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Speaker 1: because I agree, have him throw outside the numbers? Is

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Speaker 1: his weak spot? Do you jam the middle of the

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Speaker 1: field up that you give him the corners? Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: play a lot of inside technique. You play your zones

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Speaker 1: heavy inside. You make him throw the ball out there,

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Speaker 1: and you have a lot of eyes on him. When

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Speaker 1: he does run, you can come and attack them. Tony,

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Speaker 1: when quarterbacks now come out of high school Tony. They

549
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: have ten thousand snaps, they got Elite eleven, they got

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Speaker 1: personal coaches, they play all summer. So I always believe

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Speaker 1: that you had to give in your era, you got

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Speaker 1: to give a kid three years. But but the time

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00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I get a kid now, he may have one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand snaps by the time I get him in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And culturally, I feel like we shouldn't quite be as

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Speaker 1: patient with Daniel Jones or quite as with the turnover issue.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think or had a moment in your

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Speaker 1: career where there were cultural changes in the sport and

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Speaker 1: it did change the way you thought about players the game. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think there definitely are cultural changes. When we were

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Speaker 1: growing up, you played every sport and you made if

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Speaker 1: you were a quarterback, you were the shortstop on the

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Speaker 1: baseball team, you were the point guard on the basketball team.

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Speaker 1: You did a lot of things. Now these guys are

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00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: so much into football, they're getting so much training. They

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00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: are better than when they came to us. The social

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00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: side of it, the social media is another thing, and

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Speaker 1: I guess I would throw that into being a championship

569
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Speaker 1: quarterback too. Understanding how you have to handle that it's

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00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: part of our life now and great quarterbacks are gonna

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Speaker 1: be involved in it. But can you handle it well

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00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: and can you know where to draw the line? Now,

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Speaker 1: that's something that quarterbacks have to learn and players have

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Speaker 1: to learn. I talked to coaches now who are still

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Speaker 1: in it, and they say that is the biggest difference, Taunty,

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Speaker 1: between when you were coaching and now. We have to

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Speaker 1: coach people on how to build their brand and how

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Speaker 1: to be a good teammate in the midst of all that.

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Speaker 1: So there are some cultural difference, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: Would would you be would you struggle with it? Or

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Speaker 1: do you think you'd manage it well? I think you adapt,

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00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: you adjust. There are things that come up that you

583
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with twenty years ago, and you know,

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00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: everything's different. Pete Carroll has adjusted over the course of

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Speaker 1: the time. Bill Beliech is adjusted. So I think I

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Speaker 1: would too. But it's different, Tony. It's great talking to

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00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: you when you watch film today. You know I say

588
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: this to people all the time, is it's the game

589
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: is fascinating to me now, Tony, it's so much about

590
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: space and I but you can still win as a

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00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: defensive coach Belichick and Pete Carroll. But I do feel

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00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: like the league wants scoring. Are you ever concerned that

593
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: we've reached the tipping point where it is such a

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00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: quarterback league in such an offense league that increasingly there's

595
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: kind of one way to win. It is an offensive league. Yes,

596
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: the game is different, but Rodney Harrison and I sit

597
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: up and we watched twelve games every Sunday at NBC,

598
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: and of the games are lost rather than one. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's still a matter of coaching your team,

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Speaker 1: how not to lose games, how not to beat yourself,

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00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: how to be the best that you can be weekend

602
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: and week out, not make major mistakes. Time men Smith,

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00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: game management, situational football that still wins and loses in

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00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: the NFL, even with the great quarterbacks, even with the

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00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: high scoring. It comes down to situational football. Do you

606
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: ever miss coaching? I miss it from one o'clock to

607
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: four o'clock. I miss it the rest of the week.

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Speaker 1: It's great seeing you, Tony, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Great to talk to you, Colin. Thanks Tony.

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Speaker 1: Only four people ever have one of Super Bowl as

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Speaker 1: a player and a coach and Tony Dungee is one

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Speaker 1: of them. Great dude at the Volume Sports. Follow us

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