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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmok and welcome to our first ever Giants

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Speaker 1: Huddle mock draft. I have found the best reporters that

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Speaker 1: cover every NFL team that has a draft pick between

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Speaker 1: first overall and thirty six overall. We are going to

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Speaker 1: talk to each reporter for a couple of minutes get

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Speaker 1: their pick insequential order for our mock draft. There are

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Speaker 1: no trades in this mock draft. We'll see who the

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Speaker 1: Giants get it for thirty six and see how the

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Speaker 1: first round and the start of the second round goes

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Speaker 1: by getting intel from some of the best experts on

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Speaker 1: their individual teams around the league. And this will be

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Speaker 1: part one, picks one through sixteen, and then we'll have

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Speaker 1: the second part a little bit later on this week.

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Speaker 1: But before we do, I want to remind you can

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Speaker 1: and review. All right, let's not waste any time. Let's

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Speaker 1: get down to business. We welcome in our first guest,

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Speaker 1: or should I say victim in our two thousand and

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Speaker 1: twenty Giants dot Com Giants Huddle mock draft, and that

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Speaker 1: is Dan Horde, who's the play by play man for

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. And I don't have to set the

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Speaker 1: stage here because Dan's the opening act, Dan knowing off

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Speaker 1: the board yet here for the Bengals, where do you

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Speaker 1: kind of see the Bengals as a franchise now in

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Speaker 1: their second season on their head coach Zack Teller in

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Speaker 1: desperate need of a new starting quarterback John And this

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Speaker 1: pick was basically made back on November when to a

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Speaker 1: Tungo Violoa dislocated his hip against Mississippi State. I think

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Speaker 1: until that point, Too and Joe Burrow were probably running

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Speaker 1: neck and neck in the battle to be the number

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Speaker 1: one overall pick. But now it's the number one overall selection.

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Speaker 1: Since the Colts took Andrew Luck in two thousand and twelve,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow will be the number one overall pick. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything that any team could do? Dan? In your opinion?

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Speaker 1: They called the Bengals up on Thursday, the day of

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Speaker 1: the draft, at noon, and you know they want to

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Speaker 1: drop back far. Maybe you drop back to two, three

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Speaker 1: convince the Cincinnati Bengals to move this pick. Well, sure,

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Speaker 1: if the offer was ridiculous enough, anything's possible. But keep

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Speaker 1: in mind that back in the Bengals turned down the

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Speaker 1: entire New Orleans Saints draft plus a first round pick

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Speaker 1: the following year and took a Chilly Smith. So they've

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Speaker 1: turned down generous offers and four and I don't see

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it's going to happen. And Dan,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk again. When the Bengals selected pick thirty three.

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Speaker 1: Now you have the quarterback on board, what's next to

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Speaker 1: top around two, the Goals will be hoping that one

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Speaker 1: But if one of their top linebackers is available. That's

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Speaker 1: Bengals will go. Dan. Excellent stuff. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll talk to you later on in

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Speaker 1: safe and we'll talk to you soon. Okay, sounds good, John. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: That's Dan Horde, played by play man for the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 1: play by play man for the Washington Redskins. Larry, good

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Speaker 1: down there. Let's start here before we get to your

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Speaker 1: actual pick, Dwayne Haskins. Where do you think the Redskins

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Speaker 1: All right, So liar, let's lock it in second overall,

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Speaker 1: pick Joe Barrow off the board at number one. New

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Speaker 1: It's a defense last year that was rated at the

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Speaker 1: But I thought the talent on that defensive front was

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Speaker 1: we're sticking with the predictable here. Finally, Larry, is there

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Speaker 1: anything you think another team could put on the table

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Speaker 1: easy and obvious of a selection? Well, I mean I've

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Speaker 1: You really never know about the draft. That's what makes

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Speaker 1: see on April. I've really like the kid. He's a

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Speaker 1: will be a locally flavored team. MAT's for sure. Thank you, Larry,

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Speaker 1: see you guys during the season, obviously, and everybody up

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Speaker 1: there stay well. That's Larry Michael, voice of the Redskins

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Speaker 1: They have the third pick overall in this draft. One

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Speaker 1: that's going in the wrong direction. They are bill still

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Speaker 1: where they have to win this year. That's been a

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Speaker 1: look past that. Jeff, excellent stuff. We're gonna have you

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Speaker 1: and we're chalk early on in this draft. Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: You know, they Dave Gentleman is going to try to

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Speaker 1: We know Simms is not gonna bust. We're always going

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Speaker 1: know when you have a team that needs a lot

429
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Speaker 1: of needs, when as soon as you pick one player,

430
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: everyone says, what about this, this, and this, we get it.

431
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Speaker 1: You can't figure out all your problems in one pick

432
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: number two. I don't disagree that if you say right,

433
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: if we say right now, they're gonna run like a

434
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Speaker 1: more of a base three four. So you have, um,

435
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 1: let's say O'Shane Zimenez and Lorenzo Carter as a two

436
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 1: outside linebackers. They signed Blake Martinez, he's an inside linebacker.

437
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: You have Ryan Connelly coming off a c L but

438
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: supposedly he'll be okay, so you can you can kind

439
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: of figure out who your four linebackers are gonna be

440
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: there and it's okay, right, it can work. You know

441
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 1: there are questions, but you can line up guys and say, okay,

442
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: we can figure this out. You have David Mayo, who

443
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 1: you resigned. You have a semblance of an NFL group

444
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: right there, or even better maybe, Um, it's very hard

445
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 1: to do that. On the offensive line. I don't think

446
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: they signed Cam Fleming to be a starter right tackle.

447
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: I think they signed him to be a backup at

448
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: both positions. Sought our only emergency. Um. And who you

449
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: have Nick Gates, Who's a guy who really is a

450
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 1: miss at this point. He did some nice things last year.

451
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 1: We have no idea what the new staff so, um, Look,

452
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 1: they have to come out of this draft with a

453
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Speaker 1: couple of offensive linemen, whether that's with the number four pick.

454
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: I think they need a center. They need to draft

455
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 1: the center of you know, not with the fourth pick,

456
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: but thirty six could be a good place to draft

457
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: the center. Look, I can see a scenario and I

458
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: would I would endorse this. If they want to take

459
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Speaker 1: an offensive tackle at four and take a center at

460
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Speaker 1: thirty six, I would have no issue with that. And

461
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 1: you think, what about the defense? I would say, well,

462
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: what about the defense? And you just hopefully solidified your

463
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: offensive line for the next seven or eight or nine years. Um,

464
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: and you know, and and the defense of the defense

465
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: will worry about that in the next rounds. And they did,

466
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: don't forget, signed some guys fact Roll and Martinez. They

467
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: did sign some guys on defense. So um, you know

468
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: it's it's when you're coming off all these losses, you

469
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: need a lot of things to make your pickball. Who

470
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Speaker 1: do you got a number four? Well, I think it's

471
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: gonna be Simmons, I really do. And and and the

472
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Speaker 1: and the the the the asterisk will that is. I

473
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Speaker 1: think if the Giants can trade down two, five, six, seven,

474
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Speaker 1: get one of the offensive tackles and get another really

475
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: good pick. I think Jake Gentleman, who has never done

476
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Speaker 1: it in seven drafts that he's presided over, I think

477
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: he would do it. I don't think Simmons. They're looking

478
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: at Simmons as like they did Barkley. I think it's close.

479
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: But but you know, Barkley was a guy they had

480
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Speaker 1: to have. And and it's very interesting because right running back,

481
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: his positional value. A lot of people say, you don't

482
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Speaker 1: take him at number two inside linebacker for a linebacker

483
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Speaker 1: in general unless he's a monster pass rusher with Simmons

484
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Speaker 1: is not um, Well, you don't really take him before.

485
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: So this is is going against a little the positional

486
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: value uh that that people like to assign to these spots.

487
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: But so I think if you can trade down and

488
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: get worse wills affecting bingo perfect now you can really

489
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: load up on other players and maybe extra second round

490
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: pick that kind of stuff. But standing it for which

491
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: is what we're doing now, Simmons, you plug him into

492
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: the defense at any one of number levels and all

493
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden you think you have an impact player

494
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: on defense. Well, I gotta ask you about the trade down,

495
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: Paul before shake goobbe is I aske Jeff Risden from

496
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: that covers the Lions about it on the selection before you,

497
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: and he said, the lines are looking at it the

498
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: same exact way the Giants would be. Um in terms

499
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Speaker 1: of what you just said. They feel like they can

500
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: trade down two or three stillbot still get Jeffrey Okuda

501
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: and they'll be swimming. So if that's the case, do

502
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: you think that trade will be available to the Giants

503
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: if the team could jump a spot ahead of where

504
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: New York is with the Lions. How do you think

505
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: that whole scenario is going to play out? Well, I agree,

506
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: it's easy to say trade down. Dave Gettiman's got a

507
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: trade down. Well, you know what you need to trade

508
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: down part right, he has to. You know, anyone can

509
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: trade down. Um, you need to trade down. That makes

510
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: it coherent and then you still get a player in

511
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: your cluster that you want. Uh. I think it's gonna

512
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: be hard. I think because of of the way this

513
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: year is going, um the way it's gonna be such

514
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: a funky draft that teams may not reel and deal

515
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: as much as possible, being on the clock, having their

516
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: ten twelve minutes to get this all done, um, having

517
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: remote calling people. Um. You know, I think the league

518
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Speaker 1: will be uh, give a little leeway here with some

519
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But they're not gonna let some team

520
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: take a half hour because someone's WiFi crap down, you

521
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you know it's it's just

522
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. So so you have to you

523
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: have to. Um, you know it's gonna be difficult. So

524
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: I think with all that, I would say, will the

525
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Giants trade down? I would guess no. Um, you know,

526
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine sitting there and taking Simmons.

527
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: But look, these these offensive tackles are a good players.

528
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: And but as we all know, there's three of them

529
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 1: wright who are ranked very high, and there were all

530
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: three of them gonna be really terrific players. Probably not right,

531
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: That's just the way it works. So the key is

532
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: picking the right one, um, and also or going with

533
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: um Simmons, who I think the bus factor on Simmons

534
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: is very low, very low. So um you know, I

535
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: can't see him being him, not beating a good pick. Paul,

536
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you. We appreciate the time, my friend. Start

537
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: putting the thinking cap on. We'll get back to your

538
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Speaker 1: thirty six. All right, O, John, thank you. That's Paul

539
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Speaker 1: Schwartz in the New York Post. Now you go down

540
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Speaker 1: to the man that covers the Mammi Dolphins for the

541
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: Mammi Harold Armando Salgaro does a great job. He joined

542
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: us a little bit earlier in the year, and he

543
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: joins us now to talk dolphins. Armando, first of all,

544
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: hope you're and your family and everybody in your world

545
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: is doing well amidst a very unique time in our

546
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: nation's history. Yeah, all is well, John down here. I

547
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: appreciate you asking. You know, we're expecting things to get

548
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: a whole lot better, a whole lot sooner, uh than

549
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: what some people are thinking. But always optimistic that the

550
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: country is gonna bounce back and America is gonna be America. Yeah,

551
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: we're with you up here, my friend. And luckily, because

552
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: you are America, we talk to NFL football and the

553
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: draft is going to be the only story in town.

554
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: Um coming up here, so, uh, we know who the

555
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: first four guys are. Shoulnat be that big of a

556
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: surprise off the board. In our reporters mock draft, it's Borrow,

557
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: It's Chase Young, it's Okuda, It's Simmons Dolphins at number five, Armando.

558
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: Everybody thinking quarterback? Do you think the organization is also

559
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: thinking quarterback? If they're not, they're thinking getting fired. They

560
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: absolutely need a quarterback, and they need it immediately, because

561
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: it's only been like twenty years since San Marino retired,

562
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: and uh um they've got through starting quarterback. So yeah,

563
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: absolutely quarterback is the priority and and job won this draft,

564
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: all right, so what are you year in about, um,

565
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: what the Dolphins think of these prospects? And I guess

566
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: most importantly on two of because he's really the big

567
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: question here. How are they dealing with the medical portion

568
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: of that? I don't need to rehash for you the

569
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: Drew Brees Dante Colepepper incident down there in Miami about

570
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: ten years ago, that that kind of change the direction

571
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: of the franchise. How are they handling too in the

572
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: medicals considering their doctors are not gonna be able to

573
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: get their hands on him personally, right, It's a problem,

574
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: it's a challenge. Uh And so therefore there's gonna be

575
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns regarding to uh UM. I think

576
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: that the Dolphins are gonna look at this as there's

577
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns. With every quarterback that you pick,

578
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: it's a fifty fifty proposition most of the time, even

579
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: in the first round. And with two of the belief

580
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: is that, uh, yeah, he's a good player, He's probably

581
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a good player, but will he be around,

582
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: will he be durable? And that's impossible to predict, even

583
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: if you do it your hands on him during the

584
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: normal draft process, this draft process you know, the team

585
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to talk to him in person. The

586
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: team hasn't been able. There was no pro day that

587
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: they went to, there were no dinners, there was no visits,

588
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: and obviously the doctors didn't see him. Um. Having said that,

589
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's the way that they're gonna go. Okay,

590
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: so we will make that official in a moment. But

591
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: do you think the Dolphins will just hang out at

592
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: five and wait for whomever they might want to get

593
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: to them, or do you think there might launch a

594
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: quote unquote preventive strike here or preemptive strike uh to

595
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: move up a couple of spots, So a team like

596
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: the Chargers of the Panthers or somebody else we're not

597
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: thinking about might jump ahead of them to grab the

598
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: QB they're looking for. Well, I hear that theers really

599
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert, and he's you know, he's everything that

600
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: to a is not physically, although not from a production standpoint,

601
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: hurt at six ft six, two hundred and thirty eight

602
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: pounds not hurt, hasn't been hurt for several years after

603
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: he had a collarbone injury early on in his career.

604
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: So he is a clean physical prospect as good of

605
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: a prospect from a production from a play standpoint, from

606
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: a performance standpoint, So um, it's six and one half

607
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: dozen the other. It's hard to predict the Dolphins trading

608
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: up um, especially when you know the the price is

609
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: going to be prohibitive um, and they have the wherewithal

610
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: to do it. The Dolphins have two second round picks

611
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: in addition to their three round pick, but they also

612
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: have a ton of problems in in that they have

613
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: a roster with a lot of holes. So I've heard

614
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: from Daniel Jeremiah and a couple other people that it's

615
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: still split right now in the Dolphins front office. Armando,

616
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: is that what you're hearing as well? Where one faction

617
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: likes Herbert, one likes to h And let's make the

618
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: pick right here. In the context of that answer, who

619
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: do you think the Dolphins will select the number five? Yeah?

620
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: So uh. I reported in February that to A to

621
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: the Dolphins was not as cut and dried as everyone thought,

622
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: and that there was a building and strong contingent of

623
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: justin Herbert is the better pick people within the Dolphins

624
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: organization and they really like the guy, and for obvious reasons,

625
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: but Having said all that, um, I think that the

626
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins will overlook the gamble of to a tongue

627
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: of lawa durability issues for the future, and they're gonna

628
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: pick make this pick in the present, and they're gonna

629
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: pick to a tongue of I law. And you think

630
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: a chance of a trade up then is slim since

631
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: they would apparently be happy if they got either one. Well,

632
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: let me be uh, let me be diplomatic about this.

633
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: In this draft, I didn't have to do it, Okay,

634
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: so it's still on the table. That's what I want

635
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: to hear. All Right, we got two more picks for you,

636
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: Rmando in the first round, and obviously we defind that

637
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: who goes before you can make them? Overall overall, you

638
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: mentioned a couple of second round picks, a third round

639
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: pick three, and the fifth. You guys are all over

640
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: the place. Four seventh round, three seventh round picks, So

641
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: you guys pretty much own this draft. What are you

642
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: thinking in terms of those next two picks? What are

643
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: the needs that it's simply best player? And are we

644
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna see some willing and dealing by the Dolphins at

645
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: some point because of their volume of selections. Yeah, that

646
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: that changes the whole dynamic. Once you don't have to

647
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: make the trade to get to a up early in

648
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: the draft, you definitely can move around later on, and

649
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: the price is a whole lot cheaper. Um. I would say,

650
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: now that they've got a quarterback with an injury history,

651
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: it would behoove them to protect the quarterback with the

652
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: injury history. The Dolphins offensive line, um, you know, arguably, um,

653
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, not a whole lot better than what the

654
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Alabama offensive line has been. Because Alabama last year had

655
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: a or will have a first round pick in this

656
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: draft offensive lineman, will have another one next year who

657
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: was an offensive lineman, and had one last year who

658
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: was an offensive lineman. Three first round picks in the

659
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: NFL on that offensive line. So I'm thinking offensive line

660
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins and later on in the first round,

661
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: and that includes the possibility of trade up to get

662
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: one of the premier tackles. Armando, we really appreciate it.

663
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: We will talk to you later on in the draft.

664
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Speaker 1: Stay safe, my friend. Thank you. We say thank you

665
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: very much to Armando Saugaro for joining us that he

666
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: covers the Dolphins of the Mammy Harold Now we go

667
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: out to the West Coast the l A. Times and

668
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Jeff Miller covers the l A. Charges. I didn't call

669
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: him San Diego. That's a win for me out there. Uh,

670
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: he is the beat reporter that covers him for the

671
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: l A. Times and Jeff uh let's start here just

672
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, the moves happening to the new stadium, just

673
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: kind of where are the Charges now as a franchise

674
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: Andre moving on from Philip Rivers's kind of the start

675
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: of a new era. So what do you think the

676
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: coaching staff of the front office is thinking heading into

677
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: the draft from a broad based perspective, Yeah, definitely is

678
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: the dawn of a new new time after the church

679
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: was no question Rivers fourteen season, two games in a row. Um,

680
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: So that's all coming in moving into new stadium. This

681
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: I think the big picture of this is they they

682
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: are they understand that they're moving into a due time

683
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: and they're going in a completely different direction on offense,

684
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: and they're going to build a build with defense and

685
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: trying to have a kind of multifaceted offense that can

686
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: run and throw the ball, and they're don't do all

687
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: that while trying to prepare for the future and trying

688
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: to win right now because they need to win. This

689
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: is in a situation where they have a five year

690
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: rebuild or something. These guys have to win. They're coming

691
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: off the season when they won five games. Another five

692
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: win season they're not gonna work and would result in

693
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: some pretty major changes. So they're in that situation where

694
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: they're kind of transitioning, but they also they need to win,

695
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: and that's there's a there's a lot of people who

696
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna be feeling and winning. The pressure

697
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: of this season moving into the stadium to to put

698
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: something out there that people are gonna want to buy

699
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: tickets in the city, and so there's a there's a

700
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: lot of pressure and this is this is a very

701
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: big draft, So it seems like there's some competing interest here, right,

702
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're really interesting to win now with

703
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: what could be a non existent or abbreviated off season, Um,

704
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: is it quarterback or bust? Or is there a consideration

705
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: to just roll in with Tyrod Taylor and just trying

706
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: to put enough around him so the team can make

707
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: a run of the playoffs with a veteran quarterback. Yeah,

708
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: I think ideally they and I think we're talking about

709
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: you Minit said, we don't know what kind of off

710
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: season we're gonna have here, what kind of a police

711
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: season we're going to have. This could be a situation

712
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: where a lot of these rookies we're talking about don't

713
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: play a whole lot rookies. These dractics with here, we're

714
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: don't play a lot of rookies because they may not

715
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: get to work there that that's necessary that we makes

716
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: him play more as the season goes on, the later

717
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: in the year. So I think the charges, I think

718
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: they're okay with Tyrod Taylor. I know a lot of

719
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: people questioned that along the way, and there's not a

720
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: lot of Cam Newton talk. Of course, they were in

721
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, and I think that was kind of a

722
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: unique situation that then trying to take a shot at

723
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: and they then they didn't work for one um. But

724
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think the Cam Newton thing

725
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: interested in my I think they are committed to giving

726
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: a young quarterback, one of these young guys in the

727
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: draft and trying to build with that guy. But at

728
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: the same time, I think they're approachably comfortable going into

729
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: the season. I don't coach Anthony Allen, it is very

730
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: comfortable with the idea of ty to the biggest quarterback,

731
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: and I think they can win with him. And I

732
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: think that's what we're gonna see these guys trying to win,

733
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: trying to anyone um, you know, trying to advance into

734
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: the postseason with Tyrod Taylor as the quarterback. So, Jeff,

735
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: does this mean that? Look, A lot of people here

736
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: in New York are talking about the opportunity for the

737
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: Giants to trade down, and one of the teams they

738
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: always talk about are the l A Chargers at six. So,

739
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: given everything you're you're saying to me, how likely do

740
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: you think a Charger's trade up to four or maybe

741
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: even three or two ahead of the Giants is going

742
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: to be leading up to the draft. I think they're

743
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: looking at all these scenarios very closely. You know, We've

744
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: got a lot in the last a few weeks about

745
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: the Dolphins maybe split Herbert and tou and where that

746
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: might land, and obviously right as something that Trudges are

747
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: very interested in. I think they would look at the

748
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: possibility of moving up if they really value one of

749
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: those guys. And I don't so I know they like her,

750
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: but I've heard that from the beginning. I think the

751
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: ideas UH if they could get to I think they

752
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: would UM. Personally, I think it's a great move for them. UM.

753
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: I think reading between the lines from what Anthony Lynn

754
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: and Tom Tolasco the GM has said, I think there

755
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't think they have made the questions in terms

756
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: of UH injuries go. I think they have a good

757
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: deal of that. I think they like the prospect of

758
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: having a shot at to it, and I think I

759
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: think they'll be looking at that. It wouldn't shot me

760
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: one that they moved UMP to get Moben Gordon a

761
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: few years ago, so Tleasco has done that, and I

762
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: think they're scoring that and I you know, like a

763
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: lot of these things, if they're opening for businesses they said,

764
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I think they would look at that. You issuedly gonna

765
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: have a tojpens that much more draft capital capital rather

766
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: to trade UH to move up and to give up

767
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: and the Chargers do. But I absolutely I think they're

768
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: interested in it. Almost possibilities all right. Make the pick

769
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: for me Chargers heading to the podium and number six

770
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: UH with was too often bord, I'm going to have

771
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: to take Herbert and Uh, personally, I think they'd have

772
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: more interest in two. I don't know that for a fact,

773
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: but I think it means not. I think they're gonna

774
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: have to go to the quarterback and the other option

775
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: would be one of the offensive lineman. But I think, um,

776
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: in this situation, you don't get a chance to to

777
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: pick this high very often. You don't want to pick

778
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: this se very often. Obviously, you don't want to have

779
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: the record that put you in that spot. But I

780
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: think when you're in that spot that they're that high,

781
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: I think you have to look at one of these

782
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks dressed, uh, the best one that is still available,

783
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: and hope you can make him work with him moving forward.

784
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: I think that's what the Chargers will do. Jeff, awesome stuff,

785
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: my frien. We appreciate it. Stay safe out there, okay,

786
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: are you too? All right? Let's jump now to pick

787
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: number seven in the draft. You go from Jeff Miller

788
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: out there in l A to Jordan Roderig, who covers

789
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers for the Athletic Jordan's thanks a lot

790
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: for joining us a new regime there in Carolina. So

791
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: what's the general thought here as this franchise kinda goes

792
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: to reset here and moves on from Cam Newton. Yeah,

793
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, there have been a lot of changes. I

794
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: feel like every time my phone goes off, I'm now

795
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: getting a twitch in my eye because it's probably Canders did.

796
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's been crazy out here. And

797
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, they've done a lot in free agency, um

798
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: to shore up the offense or at least get a

799
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: lot of bridge guys, um for lack of a better word,

800
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: kind of in to be placeholders until they can really

801
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: get in there and developed some young guys. And so

802
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: that makes me believe they're going to go defense heavy. Um.

803
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: You know, Matt Rule called still Snow the defensive coordinator,

804
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: his secret weapon, says he's never won to a football

805
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: game really without them. Um, statistically that is true. And

806
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: so um, you know, I think they're gonna really want

807
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: to go defense. First. They got the offensive coordinator Joe Brady,

808
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: al the toys including quarterback to the Bridgewater um in

809
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: free agency, and a couple receivers Robbie Anderson a familiar

810
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: face for you guys, I think, and um, and now

811
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go defense in the draft. So

812
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: I guess, Jordan. My question then would be do they

813
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: see Bridgewater as not just a quote unquote Bridge guy

814
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: like you just mentioned, or is he the guy for

815
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: the future, which would obviously rule a quarterback out as

816
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: as a potential either trade up this year or just

817
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: picking one of these there at number seven. UM, So

818
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll take a quarterback at seven. I

819
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: think that UM with Bridgewater, they structured his deal to

820
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: where they are giving themselves time to figure him out.

821
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is they know that

822
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a ton of studying experience yet UM

823
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: not his fault obviously, that horrible injury he's reproces in

824
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, but they have him essentially on a two

825
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: year deal with an option out before the third year

826
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: of it. So they are kind of giving themselves time

827
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: to see if he can be the guy for them

828
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: in their offense. UM. Particularly um as they kind of

829
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: put all the pieces together with Joe Brady UM in

830
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: this offense and obviously just signed Christian McCaffrey to a

831
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: pretty monster extension, and so they they're going to see

832
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: if the pieces clicked the way they think they will,

833
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: and they're going to give themselves a year or two

834
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: to do that. Um. Now, that doesn't preclude them from

835
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback at some point and developing him. They

836
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: also have P. J. Walker, who they are super high on.

837
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: UM an exciting prospects for them developmentally. UM. So that

838
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: means to me, I don't think at seven it's gonna happen.

839
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule it out in general, but with Teddy,

840
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: it seems to me that this contract is structured to

841
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: where they're they're seeing what he can be when given

842
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: the tools, when given the keys to the starting, starting

843
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: the car um when he's basically being told, Hey, this

844
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: offense is yours, now, let's see what you can do

845
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: with it. And um it's basically his job to earn

846
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: long term. So is this just total b P A

847
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: territory here where it's best player You don't really care

848
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: so much where they play or are there specific needs

849
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: you think they're looking to fill in the now? You know?

850
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: With them? I you know, I think a lot of

851
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: fans wish that they could say, go get the best

852
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: player available. Um. They would be disastrous if they went

853
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: and did that. I think, Um, you know, this football

854
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: team can't even roster starting defense at this point, they

855
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: lost their their nose tackle. They're starting outside corner James

856
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: Bradberry again, a guy who you're very familiar with, UM,

857
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: who matched up against Julio and Michael Thomas, UM and

858
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. You know now the the division has Tom

859
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 1: Brady and you know they they lost with quickly. They

860
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: lost a nose tackle a three tech. Like it's a disaster, man,

861
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: Like it's really bad. So, UM, I think that they're

862
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: going to have to go best player available within their

863
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: set of needs and those needs for them, I guess, thankfully, UM,

864
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: if you're wanting to put a positive look on it, thankfully,

865
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: they could essentially pick at any of those position UM

866
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: high up in the draft, especially at seven, and still

867
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: come away with the guy that they need. He could

868
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: probably help them and need to start for them on

869
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: day one. Yeah, I was gonna say it sounds like

870
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: the needs do actually match up with who might be there.

871
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: So three quarterbacks off the board, Noyza Simmons, no Jeffrey Okuda,

872
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: no Chase Young Jordan's who do you think the Panthers

873
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: will select at number seven? I'm gonna go with Javon

874
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: Kinla out of South Carolina, and I know that this

875
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: is a curveball because he still is a little bit raw.

876
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people have Derek Brown

877
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: and their top defensive tackle off the board. UM. I

878
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: do think Derek Brown is possible for them. But in

879
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: terms of this new coaching staff and what I've gotten

880
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: to know about them so far, UM, they really really

881
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: are looking to bring in guys who are going to

882
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: be superstars for them, not right now, but in the

883
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: next two to three years when they're ready to finally

884
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: start winning sustainably. Have rebuilt this roster, especially on the

885
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, and so that to me

886
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: speaks about Javon Kinla, who I think a lot of

887
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: people understand that he can be sufficient UM and do well.

888
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: He gets the runs that where he can really help

889
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: the defense, and what they want to do is a

890
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: line and a lot of variations, UM to rush the passer.

891
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: And so for them, UM, someone who can really be

892
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: a catalyst and a and a factor like that immediately

893
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: and then developed into something where we don't even know

894
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: how high he's feeling is yet. UM. I think that

895
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: that's something extremely promising for them, and a total Matt

896
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: Rule guy. UM. Where if it's successful, he's going to

897
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: be a core guy that they'll have around for several years.

898
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: I get the film. You would have liked to see

899
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Asaiah Simmons is sitting there as a potential Luke Quick, Yes,

900
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: I would have. I think that would have been the guy,

901
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: but someone snatched him away. Yeah, that would be Pull

902
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: Swartz in the New York Post. Jordan will have you

903
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: on later on. I want to ask you to talk

904
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: about James Bradberry and more death. But just give me

905
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: a little footnote here thumbnail on Bradbury as a guy

906
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: and a player who the Giant Sons is a fragent

907
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: this offseason, so we'll talk about this more in detail.

908
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure James Bradberry and I to the Panthers um

909
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: at the same time, and so I feel like I

910
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: watched him grow up in a sense, and I cannot

911
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 1: say enough good things about that guy as a human

912
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: being first and foremost um and as somebody who I

913
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: don't think he scratched the surface of this potentially yet either.

914
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: He's had, um, you know, several different coordinators, he's had

915
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: several different secondary coaches, defensive backsearches, and it's been changed

916
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: nothing has been consistent, but him in that secondary year

917
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: over year for the last four years, and so for

918
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: him to shoulder all of that and now goes to

919
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: somewhere that they are truly telling him, Hey, we're gonna

920
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: give you stability for the next several years. Um. I

921
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: think that's huge and I think he's going to be

922
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: a star up there. Well, you made a lot of

923
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: giant fans happy, Jordan. We appreciate the time. Thanks so

924
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: much and enjoy the next week or a few days

925
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: leading up to the NFL Draft. Thanks John, always a pleasure.

926
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: That's Jordan. Rod Reid does a great job covering the

927
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers for the Athletic and now we head out

928
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: to Arizona to Darren Urban. He covers the car on

929
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: those for the team website. Darren, thanks for being with

930
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: us uh year two of your new head coach and

931
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: new regime. You drafted Murray last year to be your

932
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. What do you see as the major needs

933
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals year heading into year number two. Well,

934
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: they're fortunate enough that they did some nice things in

935
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: free agency to the point where their major needs. I

936
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: think for the short term, we're basically covered um. They

937
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: had holes at pass rusher, at inside linebacker, at wide receiver, uh,

938
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: and even right tackle, and they managed to fill those.

939
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: They got Jordan Phillips on the defensive line. They got

940
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: Devandre Campbell to play inside linebacker, They got Devon Knard

941
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: to play outside linebacker. They traded for DeAndre Hopkins. Obviously

942
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: that wide receiver went a place where they needed some help. Uh.

943
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: And then they brought back Marcus Gilbert and Justin Murray that,

944
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: you guys, the one who was supposed to be the

945
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: right tackle last year, Gilbert who before he got hurt,

946
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: and Justin Murray, who slowly got better all through the

947
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: season surprisingly so. So they put themselves in a position

948
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: where they can go in a lot of different directions

949
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: depending on how the draft plays out. In the brain,

950
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: do you think more likely a trade up, more likely

951
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: a trade down, or do you think this is a

952
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: stay put and pick situation for the Cardinals. I think

953
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are and I think Steve Kin would love

954
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: to trade down. We'll see who's on the board at

955
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: the time and if anybody wants to move up. But again,

956
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: I think because of how they maneuvered, I think this

957
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: is a perfect place that they lost the second round

958
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: picking the Hopkins deal, so they don't have a second

959
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: round pick right now, and I'm sure you'd love to

960
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: pick them back up. And if you can drop down

961
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: a few spots and pick that pick that pick up

962
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: when you know you don't really absolutely have to have

963
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: anybody here, I think that would be the most palatable thing.

964
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: But we'll kind of have to see how that plays out,

965
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: all right, So Darren, tell me who's your pick? Who

966
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: do you believe? And this is predictive, this is not

967
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: your preference. So you think the Cardinals will pick? Given

968
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: who is all the board, and I will give it

969
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: to the folks again. The three quarterbacks Burrow to a Herbert, Chase, Young, Okuda,

970
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: Javon Kimlaw just went to the Panthers, Isaiah Simmons to

971
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: the Giants. Who is the Cardinals pick at number eight?

972
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: The Panthers pick my friend Jordan's there. Surprised me a

973
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: little bit. I thought they might go Derek Brown. Obviously,

974
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: kin Law is off the board, and that leaves a

975
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: lot of nice offensive lineman, but also leaves Derek Brown.

976
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: And while I think offensive lineman is a very strong

977
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: possibility for this team, at number eight. The way this

978
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: board plays out, I'm gonna say they take Derek Brown

979
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: to continually build up the defensive line and uh and

980
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: so yeah, Derek Brown being there a date I think

981
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: would be very intriguing for this team. All right, Well,

982
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a follow up, Darren, just for

983
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: the heck of it, based on what you're hearing out

984
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: there and is there and around the league, what's your

985
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on the consensus e or of of how you

986
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: rank those top offensive lineman that everyone knows you're in

987
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: that top tier. You know what's funny is, I don't

988
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: think there is a consensus right now. I don't feel

989
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: like nationally there doesn't feel like a consensus, and even

990
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: locally when people start uh moving around all this thing

991
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: where it really goes. If I had a guess out

992
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: of all those guys, the first names that jump into

993
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: my head would be Worse or wills h If the

994
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals were to take an offensive linement, but would I'd

995
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: be surprised if they took a Thomas. Would I'd be

996
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: surprised if they took a Bacton. I suppose I really

997
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't um part of me part of that makes me

998
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: hesitate because when there's not that one consensus offensive linement

999
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: makes me wonder how good any of you guys are

1000
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: necessarily considered at this point, which is another reason why

1001
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: you might want to trade down or possibly go in

1002
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: a different direction than offensive line. At eight, Darren, great stuff,

1003
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: my friend Enjoy Watson, Johndre Hopkins this year. So that

1004
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: was a nice uh much surprise for you guys. And

1005
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you down the line. Stay safe, my friend,

1006
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah you too. We thank Darren Urban. He covers the

1007
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals for the team website. Now we head all

1008
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: the way east across the country to the sunny say

1009
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: to Florida, and that's Mike Doroco. He covers the Jacksonville

1010
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: Jaguars for ESPN. Mike, thank you so much for being

1011
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: with us. I hope you and everybody down there are

1012
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: safe and doing well. Oh thanks, I appreciate you having me,

1013
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: And yeah, little body been on here is doing the

1014
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: best we can. I guess I think like everybody else's

1015
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: absolutely all right. Mike, let's start here. What do you

1016
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: consider the Jaguars needs right now? How long you got

1017
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: because there's a long list telling you that the biggest

1018
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: need would be interior defensive line. Um. You know, they

1019
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: lost place Campbell, who was a defensive end. Obviously they

1020
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: traded him to Baltimore, but he lined up inside on

1021
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: pass rush down, so they need to replace that production.

1022
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: Marcel Darius was not brought back because of contract. Uh,

1023
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, and that was a huge loss for them

1024
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: because he was probably the key to their run defense.

1025
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: They averaged fifty three yards per game less, uh, you

1026
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: know against the run when he was on the field

1027
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: as opposed to when he wasn't. So that would be

1028
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: their top need. But you know, it's almost at every level. UM.

1029
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: On the defense, certainly, you know, safety corner. Trading a

1030
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: J Boyer away, you know they've they've got to find

1031
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: another starting corner. Um. If you look at the offensive

1032
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: side of the ball, certainly tight ends and need left

1033
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: tackle would be a need. And any any additional help

1034
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: weapon wise, for Gardener means you wide receiver, uh, you know,

1035
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: pass catching running back would be a major need as well. Gardner, Minshew,

1036
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: is this kind of I'm not gonna call it a

1037
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: one year trial. I don't think that's fair, But is

1038
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: this kind of like all right, kid, let's see what

1039
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: you got in year two. Yeah, you know, they liked

1040
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: what they got out of him last year and get

1041
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: the highest pass rating of any of the rookie quarterbacks

1042
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: through the fewest interceptions, which was six. Had some trouble

1043
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: with almost but clean that up towards the back end

1044
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: of the year and they went six and six on

1045
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: a team with one of the worst run defenses in

1046
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: the league. Um pretty much DJ Shark was the only

1047
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: big play wide receiver. They had a Leonard four Nette

1048
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: was six yards of total offensive that was good. The

1049
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: offensive line was hit miss and and you know, they

1050
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: didn't really have a lot of good play at linebacker.

1051
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: So the Jacks feel like, you know what, if we

1052
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 1: can get some of those positions solidified, we can find

1053
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: him a few more weapons. You know, maybe he's got

1054
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: a chance to get us to five hundred nine and seven,

1055
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, and and with the extra playoff team, you

1056
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: know there's a chance. But you know, that's probably a

1057
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: little bit of whistling in the dark because I think

1058
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: they're a year or two and way at least for

1059
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: to be able to really compete for a playoff spot.

1060
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: But you know they're gonna roll with Minshew in anyway,

1061
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: and we'll see how that goes. All right, Mike, do

1062
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: me a favor, give me your pick, and you're predicting,

1063
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: who do you think that Jaguars will select at number nine?

1064
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: Of the fans that just to remind everybody off the board,

1065
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Geoffrey Okuda, Isaiah Simmons to a

1066
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: tongue of Aola, Justin Herbert, Javon Kinlaw, and Derek Brown.

1067
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: Who did the Jaguars select that number nine? Well, I

1068
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: would have loved to have had Derek Brown available. A

1069
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: Jivon kin Long kind of surprised the Bulls gone. So

1070
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Cristian Worth's the offensive tackle lot

1071
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: of Iowa. The Jaguars need an upgrade from Cam Robinson

1072
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: at left tackle. E's not been very good, uh consistently,

1073
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: and you need that obviously, especially with the young quarterback

1074
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: Robinson is. You know, he missed twenty team in an

1075
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: a c L last year. Was a little up and

1076
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: down played better towards the end of the year. But

1077
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: they really need somebody that they can put on that

1078
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: left side, um protect men she's blindside and not have

1079
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: to worry about um. You know, fundamentals and footwork issues

1080
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: and all the stuff that Cam Robinson's dealing with. So

1081
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: Tristan Worth, the tackle from mine was my guy. Awesome, Mike.

1082
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: I gotta do one follow up for you because Giant

1083
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: fans are consistently asking me about this on Twitter, and

1084
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: I was saying, I don't know what the jag Wars

1085
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: are gonna do, but now I can ask you what's

1086
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: going on with Yannik and got way Clearly he does

1087
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: not seem to want to be there. Uh. The Jaguars, though,

1088
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: I know Pete Prisco is pretty locked in down there.

1089
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: He says they want at least a number one and

1090
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: then some maybe two. How do you see this whole

1091
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: thing playing out within Gockway? Yeah, Petze right, I pnin anybody,

1092
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: he's right on up that they want at least a one. Uh,

1093
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: and they you know, if it's gonna be in that

1094
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: seven range, it's gonna have to be more than just

1095
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Uh. You know, he's he doesn't

1096
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: want to play here. It is completely one hundred percent

1097
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: clear that he does not want to play here. But

1098
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: as you know, in this situation that Jags hold all

1099
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: the leverage here, they're not going to just give him up. Uh,

1100
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna get what they feel is fair compensation.

1101
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: And I know inside the organization the ceiling is, Look,

1102
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: if we don't get what we want, then you know,

1103
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: well we'll keep them. And then it's on him and

1104
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: and you know he's gonna have to decide whether it's

1105
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: I signed the franchise tag and play for eighteen million,

1106
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: or I sit out like Levi on Bell did two

1107
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: years ago in League eighteen million dollars seventeen point eight

1108
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: million dollars on the table. So um, I don't see

1109
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: him being traded before the draft. I think there is

1110
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: a possibility on Draft Day and maybe after. But I

1111
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: think if I were a betting man, I probably would

1112
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: bet that he would be still on the roster when

1113
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: they go to Camp one trade. I know Giant fans

1114
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: are thrown out there. This is not me suggesting that.

1115
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: This is you know, questions I've gotten from fans. I'll

1116
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: throw it out to you, Mike. Would there be any

1117
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: interests of the Jaguars with the Giants too, swapping first

1118
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: round picks four and nine and then maybe the Giants

1119
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: throwing some extra compensation and a deal like that or

1120
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Is that not attractive enough for Jacksonville to consider a

1121
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: move like that to move up five spots. No, I

1122
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: think that's a very attractive offer. And if I were

1123
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: g M. Dave car While I do it, um, you know,

1124
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of offer I think that it's

1125
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: going to take. UM, to be honest with you, it's

1126
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to be one of those things where if

1127
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: you look at it and go, I can't turn this down.

1128
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: It's sort of like what happened with Jaylen Ramsy last year,

1129
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: because look, if if the Rams didn't offer two ones

1130
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: Jalen ra Em, he probably wasn't getting traded last year.

1131
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: That's what I was told from people inside the organization

1132
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: that if if if that offer hadn't come along two

1133
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: first round picks, they would have just dealt with Ramsey

1134
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: the rest of the year and tried to figure it

1135
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: out because they just did not want to let a

1136
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: player that talent to go. But you know, if this

1137
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: is an offer, a legitimate offer from the Giants to

1138
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: the Jacks, I can't see them turning that down at all.

1139
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: So that would be moving up five spots, you know,

1140
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: and they would trade nine to the Giants. Giants trade

1141
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: four back, that would be what you would target one

1142
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: of the top d t s. Would you try to

1143
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: look at Isaiah Simmons at that point? What do you

1144
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: think the Jaguar will look for at number four? Yeah,

1145
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: if you know, probably the one thing would be prey

1146
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: like Hector or Kuda slips, which we don't think would happen.

1147
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: But you never know. Who thought Josh Allen was going

1148
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: to be around last year or you know, or four

1149
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: or whatever was seven last year side, um, so you

1150
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: never know. But I think at that point then, yeah,

1151
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: I think Isaiah Simmons would be the guy that you

1152
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: probably would run up there um or you know Brown

1153
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: or kid Law. Personally, I think Brown is probably a

1154
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: little bit better um fit for them here. But you

1155
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: know it's not like they throw King Law you know,

1156
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: out of the building. So yeah, I think that then

1157
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: they would have a lot of a lot of options there.

1158
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: And again the prayer would be to please slip, please slip,

1159
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's happening. If the team trades

1160
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: up for two of with the lines at three, you

1161
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: never know, you never know, absolutely, my great stuff, my friend,

1162
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time today. We'll talk to you

1163
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: down the road. Enjoy the draft. Thanks appreciate having we

1164
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: thank Mike Doroco from ESPN covers the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now

1165
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: we head out to the middle of America in the Midwest,

1166
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: we should go to Cleveland, Ohio. My buddy Aaron Goldhammer,

1167
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: who is a talk show host on ESPN Cleveland. Mr Hammer,

1168
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: hope you and your family and everybody out there in

1169
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: your neck of the woods is healthy and doing well.

1170
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: Same to you, guys. We're hanging in and doing all

1171
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: we can to try to stay healthy and safe. All right,

1172
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: more change for the Browns, which is, I guess more

1173
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: of the same. New head coach, new front office. Aaron,

1174
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: just kind of where do you see the organization right

1175
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: now in Cleveland? Is this a reset or are you

1176
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: still trying to build upon what's kind of been done

1177
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Well, last year was one

1178
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: of the most disappointing seasons in Brown's history, which really

1179
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: says something, and to some fans, it was even more

1180
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: disappointing when they went over in sixteen and didn't win

1181
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: a game because last year's team was the hot, sexy

1182
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: team in the league that was supposed to take the

1183
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: league by storm and go to the playoffs and compete

1184
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl with the brightest young quarterback in

1185
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: the league and the addition of Odell Beckham Jr. And

1186
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: it was just a total unmitigated disaster. UM. Based on that,

1187
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that they changed coaches because Freddie Kitchens

1188
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: Um really was in over his head as a head coach,

1189
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: good assistant, and I think the Giant fans will see

1190
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: that Um but was not a good fit here to

1191
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: be the head coach. And so now they moved to

1192
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, who is much more organized, in detail oriented

1193
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: and sort of fits with an analytics based model, which

1194
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: is what the Browns are going for. They have the

1195
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: youngest GM in NFL history, Andrew Berry is thirty two

1196
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: years old. All the guys in the front office and

1197
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: the coaching staff pretty much are from the IVY League.

1198
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: They're all really smart. Um. But we're about to find

1199
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: out whether doing well on the S a T translates

1200
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: into being able to actually win football games. I think

1201
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: expectations are still that the Browns could at least be

1202
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: five hundred, if not better. The most important thing is

1203
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: that they get their quarterback right. Baker was probably the

1204
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: most disappointing player in the league last year. Baker Mayfield,

1205
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: through too many interceptions, was inaccurate. Uh was able to

1206
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: make it through sixteen games, but he's got to be

1207
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: a lot better and get back to that rookie record

1208
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: touchdown passing form. If the Browns are going to take

1209
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: that next step, you talk about analytics, do you think

1210
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: because of that reattachment to we saw what they did

1211
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: on their Sashy Brown a lot of trade downs. Do

1212
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: you think that could be in the cards of the

1213
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: Browns and round one? I think the Browns are in

1214
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: a different date of organizations than they were when Sashi

1215
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: took over, when they had almost no good young players

1216
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: and not enough assets, and they were just in mode

1217
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: to try to accumulate as many assets as they possibly could. Remember,

1218
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: Sashi also isn't there, so that was sort of his plan,

1219
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that this current front office is

1220
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: going to approach things exactly the same way. But the

1221
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: real brain child behind all of this is former baseball

1222
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: executive Paul de Podesta, who met fans will remember who

1223
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: was played by a Jonah Hill in the Moneyball movie.

1224
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: Um he lives in California, but is maybe the most

1225
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: powerful person in the building um in Barrio, Ohio, and

1226
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: so I think trade downs in trading down from ten

1227
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: is a possibility, But I think the Browns are in

1228
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: a mode where they know that they have to start

1229
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: winning and just accumulating a bunch of future assets isn't

1230
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: going to satisfy the fan base, all right, So make

1231
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: the pick, Mr Goldheimer. Fans know who's not on the boards.

1232
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: Who to the Browns one with their selection in the

1233
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty draft in the first round. Well, John,

1234
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: the Browns had a Hall of Fame left tackle retired

1235
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: two years ago and Joe Thomas, and they've done really

1236
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: nothing to replace him, undrafted free agents and trying to

1237
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: get guys to change position and signing guys off the

1238
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: scrap heap. This is a very good offensive tackle draft,

1239
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: one of the best we've seen in a long time.

1240
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: I know Tristan Worths has gone, and I think the

1241
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: second best one is a three year starter in the

1242
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: SEC has played in some of the biggest games in

1243
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: college football over the course of the last couple of years.

1244
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: I will take Georgia left tackle Andrew Thomas with the

1245
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: number ten pick. To the Browns very good, very quickly too.

1246
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: Rapid fires. If you don't go offensive tackle, what do

1247
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: you think is the other option there for the for

1248
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: the Browns in terms of needs, it's probably trade down. Um.

1249
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: And and then look at an offensive tackle. The Browns

1250
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: also have a major linebacker need. Um. They only have

1251
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: a couple on the roster as its ends right now. Um.

1252
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: So if Isaiah Simmons were somehow to be there at ten,

1253
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: I think they would really have a tough decision to make.

1254
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: But I think that's unlikely. Okay. And then rapid fire

1255
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: for the giant fans out there, how did they right now?

1256
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: Fans in the organization? You think you Odell Beckham Jr.

1257
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: And how did you view his only season with the

1258
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: Browns a major disappointment? He actually stayed pseudo healthy, although

1259
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: he said that this core muscle injury affected his play.

1260
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: And O'Dell has to prove this year that he's still

1261
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: one of the top receivers in the league, because if

1262
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: I was making a top ten list right now at

1263
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: that position based on the way he played last year,

1264
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put a minute. Aaron, good stuff, My friends

1265
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: stay safe out there, will talk to you down the

1266
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: Road YouTube. Thanks Sean So. Aaron Goldhammer selects Andrew Thomas,

1267
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: left tackle out of Georgia, the second offensive tackle off

1268
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: the board in this draft, and much to everyone's surprise,

1269
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: two in a row here and nine and ten works

1270
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: and Thomas. So we get to the Jets at number

1271
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: eleven and we're joined by Scott Mason. Scott wants to

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Speaker 1: tell the folks where they can find your work in

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: your podcast. You can find the play like the Jet

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01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: Podcast on iTunes and all the places that you can

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01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: get podcasts, Google play all that and turn on the

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Speaker 1: Jets dot com as well. And John, we go back

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01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: a long way. So I'm gonna enjoy saying these to

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Speaker 1: you right now. But let's make it three in a row.

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Speaker 1: Three tackles in a row. What do you say? That

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01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: is a good tease. But let's get to the needs

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: first besides offensive tackle and you can explain why that

1282
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: is also in need despite what the Jets did on

1283
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: the offensive line and for agency, Scott, what are the

1284
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: Jets really in need of? Uh to try to take

1285
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: that next step with Adam Gaze as their head coach

1286
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: this year? Well, John, they don't need much except for

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01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: edge rusher, cornerback, wide receiver, an entire new offensive line.

1288
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: But basically, you know, are all the key positions on

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: the football field more or less? Okay? So because they

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: did a lot of work on the old line in

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01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: the offseason, right, So why do you think and what

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01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: spots on that line do you think there are still

1293
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: very big needs? Well, the problem is most of the

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: guys that they got are just stand aids. So they

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01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: signed Greg then Roting from Carolina, but he comes in

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: on glorified one year deal for backup money. He maybe

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01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: a decent enough starter for a year, but he's thirty

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: and he's a career journeyman. George pant is a guy

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Speaker 1: that brought in from Seattle, but he's una glorified one

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: year deal. He's twenty eight and never really been a

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Speaker 1: full time starter, and quite frankly, he's still kind of

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: learning the positions and nobody knows that they're getting out

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: of him. And then you talked about Alice, Well, let's

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01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: who they brought back. He was okay when he played

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01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: last year, but he's missed an average of six games

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01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: a year since his career started four years ago. So

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: they really don't have any long term answers on this

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01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: line except for conumc Govern, the center that they signed

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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: from Denver. So even though they made a lot of

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01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: changes in the off season, I don't think there's very

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01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: many long term answers here and they really need a

1312
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: lot of youths and talent on that line. And I

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: think we can both agree because the Jets and Giants

1314
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: are in similar situations with the young quarterback who needs protection,

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01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: that the Jets need to build a solid foundation on

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01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: that line if Sam Donald is going to be able

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01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: to do what most Jets fans are hoping he does

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01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: and take that next step as a franchise quarterback. But

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Speaker 1: I'll have a follow up for you, Scopa, make your

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Speaker 1: pick here the Jets selecting at number eleven overall in

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. At number eleven, the Jets select the

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Speaker 1: guy that I think is the best tackle in this draft,

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Speaker 1: Jeddrick Wills from Alabama. He's I think, not only an

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01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: excellent athlete who's overshadowed by Worse and Beckton, who are

1325
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: just freaks, but he's also somebody who's got the best

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01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: technique of anybody in this draft, a terrific test protector.

1327
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: Mala in the run game. The only real questions with

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01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: him or whether or not he's going to eventually play

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: left tackle, because he was exclusively a right tackle of

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01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: Alabama to protect to his blindside. But I think eventually,

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: if you work with him, you should be able to

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01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: transition him if you choose to. Otherwise, not a bad

1333
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: problem to have having an excellent right tackle there for

1334
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,959
Speaker 1: a really long time. And sometimes there's questions about focus

1335
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: stuff like pregame, preestmat penalties rather and I think that's

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: easily coachable. So the Jets are thrilled to get Jedrick

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01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: Wills at the number eleven pick. How tough was it

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Speaker 1: for you to pass up your pick of the litter

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: of this excellent wide receiver class. Not even the slightest bit.

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01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, John, I'm camp offensive line

1341
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: all the way, because I think all four of these

1342
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: top four offensive linemen, the two that went before, Kristin

1343
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: Worth and Andrew Thomas and even McKay Beckton, who's still

1344
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: on the board as we speak, all four of those

1345
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: guys in almost any year would be O T one.

1346
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: This just happens to be a class that's stacked at

1347
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: the top. The wide receivers are really really good. Jerry Judy,

1348
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and Henry Ruggs are all going to be

1349
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: really good receivers, I think. But the thing is, ultimately

1350
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: what it comes down to is teams that build in

1351
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: the trenches are the ones that are the winners. The

1352
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: teams that have a pass rush, the teams that protect

1353
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: their quarterback and her bullies in the run game as well,

1354
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: those are the teams that are long term contenders. And

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01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: I think if you want to go back to the

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01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: times when the Jets where they're most successful, I mean,

1357
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: in the most recent run where they were successful was

1358
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: after they had signed Fanica and Woody and after they

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01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: had drafted Brick and Mangold and they built up a

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01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: really strong offensive line. I think if you can get

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01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: a piece like Jeddrick Wills, that's just way more valuable

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: than any of those wide receivers. And John As I'm

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: sure you know very well this particular draft is loaded

1364
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: with talented wide receivers. So you can get guys in

1365
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: the second, third, fourth, leaven As, Eric the cost of

1366
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: the Gym and the Ravens that even the fifth round,

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01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: you can get receivers that can make an immediate impact.

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01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: So for me, easiest decision if Jeddrick Wills is on

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01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: the board of really, if any of those four guys

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01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: on the board, that should be the pick for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Doctor stuff my Frank, Thank you very much and stay safe.

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Speaker 1: Thanks John, you too, buddy. We thank Scott Mason for

1373
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: a selection for the Jets. Now we head back out

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01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: to the West coast. We welcome in Victafer, who covers

1375
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Now Raiders for the Athletic VIC. Obviously

1376
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: a big move here for the Raiders this year. It's

1377
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: kind of a new start for the organization and the franchise.

1378
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: But John Gruden's there for year number two. So where

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01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: do you think that the Raiders are from a big

1380
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: picture perspective in the second year of the Mayo Gruden regime.

1381
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: I think it made some decent moves and Fredency. They

1382
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: add the two starting linebackers, Corl Lilton and the Creakowsky.

1383
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: So I think now the main needs are at cornerback

1384
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: in a wide receiver. When you evaluate those needs, are

1385
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: there any other position that you think get in the

1386
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: mix to compete with those two spots here? I don't

1387
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: think so. Then you probably also use the Defferense tackle.

1388
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: But I think this at this point in the draft

1389
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: is some really good receivers on the board. I think

1390
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: the cornerback and c Henderson's possibility, So I think there's

1391
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: some good guys you probably plug in right away at

1392
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: those two spots. Any consideration of a trade up or

1393
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: a trade down here do you think for Oakland? I

1394
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: think it might trade a couple of spots up if

1395
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: one of those four I think there's four impact the

1396
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: sense of players in this draft, but I think they're

1397
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: all gone as I think they're one trade up. I

1398
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: can definitely a trade down. I think that the thing

1399
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: there would be that if they think that the top

1400
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: fire Seas receivers are all kind of closely graded together,

1401
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: it makes sense to trade down and try to get

1402
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: back into the second round pick also, but I think

1403
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: at this point we'll just kinda take the pick and

1404
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: let's see where it goes, all right, So let's do it.

1405
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: VIC the Raiders at number twelve overall and l draft,

1406
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: who do you got? And I take Jerry Judy. I

1407
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: think he's uh I was very tight on than those

1408
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: top three receivers. He's one of the different strengths which

1409
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: really make an impact. But I like Jerry Judy's right

1410
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: running iro a story today kind of comparing him to

1411
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and while I was playmaking ability, So I

1412
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: think he's a nice fit for that offense. I think

1413
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to you get at nineteen. I know

1414
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned cornerback. How did you separate Judy? How close

1415
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: is it in your eyes? And then you think in

1416
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: organization's eyes, between Judy Lamb and Rugs or maybe even

1417
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: a Jefferson at of LSU, I think it's pretty close.

1418
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: I think, um. The one reason why think it's close

1419
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: is because Gruden a couple of times in the last

1420
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: year said he wants a Tyreek Hill type, which I think,

1421
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: you look at this draft, the one guy who clearly

1422
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: has that upside and the law explosive speed and gate

1423
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: raking ability is rug So I think Roby a play there.

1424
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: Lamb is the best as far as the high pointing

1425
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: catches and for the cash more of his bigger physical receiver.

1426
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: But I just think that in terms of the spot

1427
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: for his Z receiver in this draft, for guy can

1428
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: kind of take all the place, and they kind of

1429
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: throughout last year when when Brown combusted, I think it

1430
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Great stuff. We'll talk to

1431
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: you pick number nineteen. Thank you so much. All right,

1432
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: We thank Vic Tafer from the Athletic for giving us

1433
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 1: his pick for the Raiders at number twelve, Jerry Judy,

1434
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 1: And we go to one of his colleagues from the Athletic,

1435
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: Matt Barrows, who covers the San Francisco for Niners. Matt,

1436
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: obviously it's odd to have a team that went to

1437
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl the previous year picking a thirteen. The

1438
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: Niners do it because they traded the Forest Buckner to

1439
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: the Colts for their first round pick. So what's the

1440
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: general thinking for the forty Niners heading into this draft

1441
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: given the success that they had last year. Yeah, I mean,

1442
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: I think it's about replacing two of the key figures

1443
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: that they lost last month, Buckner being one of them,

1444
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: and then Emmanuel Sanders the wide receiver being the other.

1445
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: And um, I see from the players who have been

1446
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: taken in your draft that uh uh, Javon Kinlaw that's

1447
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: the guy I probably would have taken had he been

1448
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: available from South Carolina and then Derrick Brown from Auburn

1449
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: are both off the board, So that would that would

1450
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: leave me with the receiver I think have about cornerback.

1451
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: I know they had a lot of issues last year

1452
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: across and Richard Sherman. They have, uh, and that's a

1453
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 1: very interesting position because um Sherman is entering the final

1454
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: year of his contractor Kello Witherspoon is entering the I

1455
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: know year of his contract. So they've got bodies there

1456
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: this year, but next year they might be finned. So

1457
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: if they're looking at a year ahead, cornerbacks certainly would

1458
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: be a position of of interest. C. J. Henderson from

1459
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: Florida is a guy that's uh that's been bannies about

1460
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: some UM. I feel like that's uh something that they

1461
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,440
Speaker 1: might be able to do later in the draft, and

1462
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: it might be a priority next year. I mean, they

1463
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: might make that a priority in free agency to go

1464
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: find a really good veteran cornerback next March. Despite the

1465
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: trade uh with Buckner to get the extra one. Thet

1466
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: is gonna have a lot of draft picks. So your

1467
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: thoughts here on just their draft capital in general, whether

1468
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: or not you think a trade down is more likely

1469
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: a thirteen or when they select with their own first

1470
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: round pick, which we'll talk to you later. In the

1471
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: first round of thirty one. Yeah, it's you know, I've

1472
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: been asking that question and so the fans and I

1473
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: don't really know what the answer is. I think a

1474
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: lot of it depends on who's available there at number thirteen. Um,

1475
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna go with the receiver here, but

1476
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: you know, it's so deep at that position that they

1477
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: could they could conclude that let's let's trade you know,

1478
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: down into the twenties and we'll get a receiver there,

1479
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: or we'll get our receiver at pick thirty one, uh

1480
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: their original UH pick. So they may conclude that even

1481
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: if wide receiver is the you know, uh is the

1482
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: top position there at thirteen, that they can afford to

1483
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: wait and and take that later in the draft. Maybe

1484
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: they cash that in for and get a couple of

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: mid round selections and they get a guy there. Um,

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01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: So that that's definitely a possibility. But if they're picking

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01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: at thirteen, I would go with with Ceedee Lamb, the

1488
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma receiver. There. Were you disappointed to see Jerry Judy

1489
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: off of the board, would he have been your pick

1490
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: if the Raiders had gone in a different direction, You

1491
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: know what, I think I still would have gone with

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: with Ceedee Lamb. I mean that's becoming the forty Niners identity. Um,

1493
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: they've got George Kittle, They've got a really good running game.

1494
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: They've got Deebo Samuel who acted like a running back

1495
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: when he had the ball in his hands last year,

1496
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: they smashed through tacklers, and Ceedee Lamb would would really

1497
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: kind of fit that persona really well. He was a

1498
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: hard guy to bring down. I know a lot of

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01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: that has to do with maybe some some sub subpar

1500
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: tackling in the Big twelve in recent years, but you know,

1501
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: he was really good after the catch. I mean he's

1502
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: a really tough guy. Uh and uh, I think he

1503
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: would um both add an element that they don't have,

1504
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: which is sort of a big, tall wide receiver h

1505
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: plus something that they already do have, which is sort

1506
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: of this uh this might is right. Uh, you know,

1507
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: break tackles type of offense, and I think he would

1508
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: suit that very well. Hey, what heck of a group

1509
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: of weapons you have George, it all, Deebo Samuel and

1510
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: Ceedee Land. That is not a pet set of guys

1511
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: for Jimmy Garoppolo to throw to next year. Matt. We

1512
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and we'll talk to you pick one, all right,

1513
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: sounds good. Thanks. We think Matt Barrows, he covers the

1514
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine is for the Athletic Now we

1515
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: had all the way to the southeast portion of the

1516
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: United States covering the tam Bay Buccaneers for the Pewter Report.

1517
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: Is John Ledier. John in front of the program. How

1518
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 1: are you, pal? Hey, I'm doing great, John, Thanks so

1519
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: much for having me. I appreciate it great and I'm

1520
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: happy to hear you and all your folks in your

1521
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: circle are doing well. Everybody's safe and healthy. Let's talk

1522
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: about the bucks here. Obviously, I'm not sure if you heard,

1523
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: but Tom Brady's now the quarterback for the Buccaneers. Kind

1524
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: of a big deal. So how does that change the

1525
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: approach here in the draft. Yeah, I don't think they

1526
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: were going to quarterback, no matter what they kind of were.

1527
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: They were about as clear about that as a team.

1528
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: Their bucks are actually pretty clear, as clear as any

1529
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: team in the league probably about their intention. I think

1530
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: it are usually pretty straightforward about it. So I think

1531
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 1: when they set the combine, you know, and then they'll

1532
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: do their their homework on these quarterbacks and they're looking

1533
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: for maybe a developmental guy later in the draft. But

1534
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, they think during a wind that window and

1535
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: so getting Brady I think it it really takes quarterback

1536
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: off the table early in the draft. But I think

1537
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: more than anything, you know, you're talking about Brady having

1538
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: what to maybe three years left, which is crazy to

1539
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: say at his age, but that's probably the window you're

1540
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: looking at for Tom Brady. So in that window, you

1541
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: want guys that can help you win and contribute now.

1542
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: So I think they're trying to fill final holes on

1543
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: a roster. The offensive tackle, right tackle specifically could become

1544
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: more of a focal point so that they don't really

1545
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: have any starting you know, every starting position would kind

1546
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: of be sort of set at that point if they

1547
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: were to get a top right tackle in the class um.

1548
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: But also you just anything, I mean, if if they're

1549
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: on the board and the top four tackles are off

1550
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: the board and you're looking at everybody that's left and

1551
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh, man, like we we need to get

1552
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna make a contribution now. I mean,

1553
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule out wide receivers crazy as it's down

1554
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, though they don't really

1555
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: have a third receiver that's proven, and so getting one

1556
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: of these young receivers that's the stud early in the draft,

1557
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, could put that offense kind of over the

1558
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: top with Brady. So I think you're looking at some

1559
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: splash for the Bucks and potentially the biggest thing that

1560
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: could be on the table is a trade up. Well,

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01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: that was gonna be my next question, since it's when

1562
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: now you want to find an impact player. What would

1563
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: be the thoughts behind a potential trade up. Who would

1564
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: they be targeting, how far would they want to go. Yeah,

1565
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: that's the thing. You know, the Bucks have actually never

1566
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: traded up in the first round under Jason Light. I

1567
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: think I've traded back twice off our CAF correctly, So

1568
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: it would be kind of uncharted territory for them in

1569
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: the first round under Light anyway, to be making a

1570
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: move like that. At the same time, you know, this

1571
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: is a different roster, you're Tom Brady here. That changes things,

1572
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: Like we said, so I think that that kind of

1573
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: enables them to be like, Okay, we need to be

1574
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 1: pretty proactive. Like we've drafted a lot of players, and

1575
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: we traded back from from to get Vita Van and

1576
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: picked up two second rounders and you know, one of

1577
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: those guys, and starting for us, we got added a

1578
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: ton of players in the draft. We moved back a

1579
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: bunch of times and added these picks, and we have

1580
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: this young core that we really like and we don't

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01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: have a ton of you know, quote unquote holes on

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01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: the roster. And so let's go get the guy that's

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01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: gonna put us over the top and the first round

1584
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: if we have to give up, but you know, our

1585
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: third and we have to give up, you know, one

1586
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: of our forts. They have two fourths, and so you

1587
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: know when we do it, you know, but I think

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: that's kind of the situation and me because it's it's

1589
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more win now, and you don't want

1590
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: to hurt yourself, you know, big time. But you know,

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01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: I think you look at Jackson on High and you

1592
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: think that's tempting. In Cleveland is the history of trading

1593
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: down UM analytics kind of based regime moving in there

1594
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 1: now UM and and that's a kind of a staple

1595
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: of analytics greatest regime. So I think that could be

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: an option too, And so I say I'll that to

1597
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: say that I think it's more likely for the Bucks

1598
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: this year than ever before, And if they do it,

1599
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: I can't imagine they would be making the move for

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01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: anyone other than one of the top offensive tackles in

1601
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: the class kind of whoever they fall in love without

1602
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: of McKay, Beckton, Christan Worth, Sandrew Thomas, and Jeddrick Wills. Well, John,

1603
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: you have one of those guys left here, so you

1604
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: didn't have to move up to get them make your

1605
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: selection for the Bucks. Yeah, I'm taking a gay back

1606
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: to the offensive tackle from Louisville. AC just finished up

1607
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: his evaluation and I just think he's I know there's

1608
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: some unknowns there because I think PFF has him at

1609
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: seventy three true past that's uh this past season, and um,

1610
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: you're that's definitely way less than you'd like when you're

1611
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: taking a player this high. But those pass thatts that

1612
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: he had looked great. Uh. He moves unbelievably well for

1613
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: a guy that big. I just think even if his

1614
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: technique isn't perfect and doesn't become perfect at the NFL level,

1615
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: he's so big, so quick and so powerful, I don't

1616
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: think a regular routine of moves is gonna work for

1617
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: an NFL pastors. I think they're gonna have to come

1618
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: up with different ways to beat him than they beat

1619
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: other guys, just because he has such unbelievable tools. Um,

1620
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: I don't say that lightly about the NFL is the

1621
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 1: technique league. If you don't have great technique, you're probably

1622
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: not going to succeed. But Beckton is one of those

1623
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: rare specimens that might be able to get away with

1624
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: it for a while while he's perfecting all that stuff.

1625
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: And so I don't think he's gonna hit the ground,

1626
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, and being All pros rookie year or no

1627
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: no offensive tackle really is. But I see the ceiling

1628
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: by year three to get to that level of a player.

1629
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: And he has feris playing the right and left sides too,

1630
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 1: so you know, he starts on the right side, you know,

1631
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: opposite Donovan to this and then a couple of years

1632
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: they want to move on from Donovan Smith. You know,

1633
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: they didn't sign him to a law deal, so they

1634
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: want to move on from him. You can try Beckton

1635
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: over on the left side if you want, or you know,

1636
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: depending on how the draft goes. It gives you flexibility

1637
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: at that point in time to be able to move

1638
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: things around in your lineup. So perfect mentality and type

1639
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: of player that they're trying to add in Tampa Bay

1640
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 1: to get nasty or more physical and meeting up front. Um.

1641
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a no brainer for me. Given he's

1642
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: on the board, I'm taking mc baton rapid fire. UM.

1643
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: Follow up question, John, how do you have those tackles

1644
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: in your final evaluation ranked one through let's say seven?

1645
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: Your top seven? Yeah, Jedrick Wills first, Tristan Worse and

1646
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: and Beckton or like neck and neck, but I moved

1647
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: work Stead just because there's a little bit more in

1648
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: pass protection on tape to go with. But really comfortable

1649
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: with Backton too. He's the third guy for me. And

1650
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: then Andrew Thomas fourth also really like his game. And

1651
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: Josh Jones would be fifth for me to tackle from

1652
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: Houston who could be consideration for the buck the other

1653
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: four off the board, have you gotten into like the

1654
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland's, Lucas Niang's and um uh, those types of

1655
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: guys that maybe might go top of round two? Yeah,

1656
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: for sure. And I think Yang is an interesting situation

1657
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: because I think based on kind of what we've heard,

1658
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: what I've heard and what I've seen other people report

1659
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 1: two is that he could maybe be a Day three

1660
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: guy because there's so much unknown over his hip and

1661
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: his two thousand nineteen tape was rough as he was

1662
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: playing hurd and altered his pass that a lot, So

1663
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: I think you could see his best football out ahead

1664
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: of him. To go back to two thousand eighteen, he

1665
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: was pretty good, So he may be a Steel on

1666
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: Day three. And I like Ezra Cleveland. I think he's

1667
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: a solid player US. Some people really like Austin Jackson.

1668
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of his UM, so I'll

1669
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: be lower on him than most others. But I think

1670
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland and Isaiah Wilson are guys that will probably

1671
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: go some where late first to early second UM and

1672
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: they can help a team. You know, they have some limitations,

1673
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: both of them, but I think they can help a

1674
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: team pretty early on and see the field pretty early on,

1675
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: even if they never become all pro caliber players. So

1676
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: he has a deep tackle classes, a ton of town,

1677
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of teams gonna get better at a

1678
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: position where a lot of teams need to get better

1679
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: out across the NFL. John, good stuff, my friend. We

1680
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Stay safe. We'll talk to you down the road. Absolutely.

1681
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: Thanks John, I appreciate it. We thank John Ledyard from

1682
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: the Pewter Report does a fantastic job. Now we head

1683
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: over to the a f C West. Nikki Javala covers

1684
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos for the Athletic Nikki, thanks a lot

1685
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: for joining us today. Hope everybody in your circle is

1686
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: safe and sound. Yes, thank you, they are and happy

1687
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: to join. Great thanks for being with us. So let's

1688
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: do a little state of the Broncos here in a

1689
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: nutshell Vic Fangio obviously a second year there. John Elway

1690
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: has the Super Bowl last couple of years, though probably

1691
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: not as good as he would have liked. So what's

1692
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: the general outlook from a franchise perspective with the Broncos

1693
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: in heading into the draft. Yeah, I mean they get

1694
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, and they've done a

1695
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: lot of work already. Um, they've never had three consecutive

1696
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: losing seasons and forty six years or something, so they

1697
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: sunk pretty low. But I think some of it was

1698
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: be expected after Peak Manning retired. Maybe not the you know,

1699
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: cycling through seven different starting quarterbacks part, but they feel

1700
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: like they've kind of bounced off from the bottom, so

1701
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: to speak. And you know, with Drew Lock, they've really

1702
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: started to build around him, built up the offensive line,

1703
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: given them more weapons of the passing game and the

1704
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: run game, and you know, while adding you know, some

1705
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: veteran pieces to the defense with trades of for A. J.

1706
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: Boullier and um for all casey. So they feel like

1707
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: they're in pretty good standing. But they still have, you know,

1708
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: some holes to fill through the draft. I would say

1709
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: number one is probably receivers, and then offensive line and

1710
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: the cornerback. So um, So far, they've had a good

1711
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: off season on paper, um, and you know, it's pretty

1712
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: paramounts they continue that in the draft. They took an

1713
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: old school approach with Drew Lock. They didn't make them

1714
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: play right away. They let him watch and then at

1715
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: least from the outside looking, and I thought there were

1716
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: some encouraging signs when you did have a chance to

1717
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: play towards the end of the year. So, Nicky, give

1718
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: me a feel for inside the organization and how bullish

1719
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: are they right now on what they saw from Lock

1720
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: in his rookie season. I think they're optimistic. I mean,

1721
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: he had to sit out ten weeks because of a

1722
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: thumb injury last year, but I think the way he

1723
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 1: closed the season with this word one record, UM, I

1724
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: think gave him plenty of reasons to be optimistic. I

1725
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: think it's cautious optimism at this point, just because of

1726
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: what they've experienced with six other starting quarterbacks UM, you know,

1727
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: over the last four or five years. So they're hopeful. UM.

1728
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: They want to make sure they give them enough to

1729
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: be successful. I think they've learned a lot over the

1730
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: last four years on what you know, they need to

1731
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: build up that offense. UM. So I think they're very

1732
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: optimistic that he can be that guy, that he can

1733
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,440
Speaker 1: be their quarterback for now and for years to come. UM.

1734
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: But they got to continue to build around them and

1735
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, help him be successful. You already mentioned their needs.

1736
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: Any thought here of consideration for the Broncos to either

1737
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: trade up or back, depending on who's sitting there. The

1738
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: only reason I could seem trading up is if there

1739
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: was you know, one of those top four tackles UM

1740
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: that they really really had their heart set on, UM

1741
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 1: be a worse er Jedrick Wills or Um, Andrew Thomas, Um, McKay, Beckton.

1742
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the ones I could see them

1743
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: trading up for it to me. Doesn't not to say

1744
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do it, but it doesn't really make sense

1745
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 1: to trade up for a receiver, especially in this class

1746
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: with it being so deep. Um, I could see them

1747
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: trading back. I mean John did that last year, um

1748
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: when they traded down from ten to twenty um and

1749
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: ended up with no fanse there stability if they feel

1750
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: like the value is there and they could get more

1751
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: picks and still get you know, a quality player they

1752
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: won in the first round. Um. I also, I mean

1753
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 1: I kind of think they should hold steady at fifteen.

1754
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 1: I mean, circumstances can change drastically between now and the draft,

1755
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: but you know, I think they're in prime position to

1756
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: get you know, a really good player and phil a

1757
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: big needs well. They in our mock. They just missed

1758
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: out on those top four offensive tackles, but a couple

1759
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: of good wide receivers are still on the board. Nikki,

1760
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: So make your pick. Who do you think the Broncos

1761
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: was selected number fifteen draft? Based on who's left on

1762
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: the board. I think based who's left, I think they

1763
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: gotta go with Henry Rugs. Um My, my top receiver

1764
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: is Jerry Judy. I just think he's so polished his route,

1765
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: running the way he's able to create separation. But um,

1766
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: his teammate at Alabama has speed that you know, it's

1767
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: just so rare. And I think his speed would be

1768
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 1: a nice compliment with the size of Court and Sutton

1769
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: and um Noah fan and I think it would really

1770
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: boost their their passing game. I mean, they need they

1771
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: need depths there at receiver, but they also need somebody

1772
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: who can contribute immediately, and he appears to be a

1773
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: player who can do just that. He's a playmaker. So um,

1774
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: and it could be the closest they come to having

1775
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: any sort of answer. Uh the Chief's tyree tale. So um,

1776
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: we're going with awesome, NICKI, thank you so much. We

1777
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Stay safe out there. Thank you. We thank

1778
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: NICKI for joining us as a great job. Covering the

1779
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos for the Athletic. Now let's head down to

1780
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: the Southeastern United States, down to Atlanta, Georgia to de Orlando.

1781
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: Lead Battery covers the Falcons for the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

1782
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: Do Orlando appreciate you being with us? Man? Thank you

1783
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: very much. Um. Big picture Falcons, where do they stand

1784
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 1: right now? Are they a team? That still thinks with

1785
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a couple of right editions that they can contend for

1786
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Yeah, I think so, John. They they

1787
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: definitely uh got the running back. They need some help

1788
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. Let a lot

1789
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 1: of people go during free agency and uh, you know,

1790
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: they finished with six and two last season and they

1791
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: think they can carry that over into the next season

1792
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: with a little bit better help. Who knows, maybe they

1793
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 1: can return to the playoffs. Where do you think the

1794
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: biggest needs are on this roster right now? Well, at

1795
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: quarterback they led the Desmond who find going free agency

1796
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: and they have to replace him. The defensive line has

1797
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: been looking for a pass rush for a long time now.

1798
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: They did pick up Dante Fowler Jr. In the free

1799
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: agency period, but they can always add some help along

1800
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: that line up front and getting getting after the quarterback,

1801
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: especially with Tom Brady coming to the division. Alright, so

1802
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: do me a favor the Orlando make the selection. Who

1803
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: do you think, given our circumstances and the picks that

1804
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: have gone off the board so far, who the Falcons

1805
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: are going to pick at number sixteen overall in the

1806
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. They're going to select Florida cornerback C. J. Henderson.

1807
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: He'll be a guy that can go in and take

1808
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: over a left cornerback. He's played man in zone defense

1809
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 1: in college, played in some pro style defenses under David Grantham.

1810
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: He'll step right in. Helped him out. Thomas de Mittrop said,

1811
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: the Falcons uh that anybody in the league right now

1812
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: can never have too many cornerbacks. Was he the guy

1813
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: you were hoping was gonna be there that you were targeting, Yes,

1814
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: he was. I'm expecting your divine kill ought to be

1815
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: going and thinking Henderson would be there for them to

1816
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: take all right, and finally quickly, any thoughts either trading

1817
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: up or trading back for the Falcons, you think this

1818
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: is a draft way, they stay put. H No, if

1819
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,759
Speaker 1: Henderson's there, they stay put. Well, Tomas de mit Trop

1820
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: always trades up, so if they think their guy is

1821
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna go, they'll definitely go up to maybe nine at Jacksonville.

1822
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: They know David carl Well from his timer in Atlanta.

1823
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: They'll go up and get there. God, that's been his motto.

1824
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 1: He never trades back. He always goes up. D great stuff,

1825
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you for being with us. Stay safe

1826
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: down there. We'll talk to you down the road. Sure,

1827
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: no problem, Take care by. Now. That's the Orlando Lead

1828
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 1: Better covers the Falcons for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. That'll

1829
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: do it for part one of our Giants Huddle mock

1830
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 1: draft picks one through sixteen. We will have picks seventeen

1831
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: through thirty six a little bit later on this week.

1832
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. You can find The Giants

1833
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,639
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