1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous twenty four year 2 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: old beauty seemingly disappears into thin air. Where is Alexis? 3 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you 4 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen to 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: our friend Leslie Brinkley KGO ABC seven. It just felt 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: like a regular day. She asked if she had mail 8 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: at the post office. That was last Wednesday afternoon, January 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: twenty sixth. Gwinn Gabe said. By the next morning, his 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: younger sister, Alexis Gabe had not come home to the 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: apartment she shares with her parents. What is it that 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: made you feel that this was serious? This was a 13 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: scary situation for her to disappear because usually she comes 14 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: home because she has responsibilities. She dropped my brother off 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: at school. The family launched an intensive search around Brentwood 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: and Oakley. That afternoon, they found her light blue Infinity 17 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: abandoned on a residential street, keys still in the car. 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: As soon as my parents got there, my dad was like, 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: open the trunk, so I unlock the trunk. ND I 20 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: opened it up and it was nothing there nothing there. 21 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: That was Yeah, Yeah, harrowing for sure. Yeah, that's what 22 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to have to look in a car 23 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: trunk for your daughter, for your sister. That's exactly what 24 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: you don't want. And that is the point at which 25 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Alexis family has found themselves. They go, they find her 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: car and look in the trunk for twenty four year 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: old Alexis. How did they know she was missing? What 28 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: led up to it? What is this area? So many 29 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: questions in the search for Alexis. Gabe again, I'm Meancy Grace. 30 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 31 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: An all star panel is with me to make sense 32 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 33 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: host of Today with Doctor Wendy joining us k CBQ, 34 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: San Diego. You can find her at Wendy Patrick, PhD 35 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: dot com. Renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. Karen Start, 36 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: you can find her at Karen Start dot com. That's 37 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: Karen with a C. Founder and director of the Cold 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. Cheryl McCullum at Coalcase Crimes dot org. 39 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: Amanda Kitana at VU Fox Too joining us from the 40 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Bay Area. Special guest, longtime friend and colleague Mark Klass 41 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: joining us. He has devoted his life defining missing people 42 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: since the disappearance and death of his beautiful girl Polly, 43 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: and you can find him at class kids dot Org. 44 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: Special guests joining us right now Alexis older brother, Gwen Gabe, 45 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Morgan Strenfell to everyone. Thank you. Gwen first, 46 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: to you, when did she first realize Alexis had seemingly vanished? Oh? Well, 47 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: it was a Thursday morning when my little brother was 48 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: texting me asking where she was because she was supposed 49 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: to drop him off to school. How old is your 50 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: little brother? He just turned fifteen a couple days ago, 51 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: and she normally takes him to school, drives him to school. Yeah, yeah, 52 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: she does every morning and she picks him off out 53 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: to school. You know what you're saying to me right 54 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: now is very powerful, Gwen. Gwen Gabe is Alexis brother. 55 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: Because if I did not take my children and pick 56 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: them up from school every single day, anybody that knows 57 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: our family professionally personally would know I had to either 58 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: be in the hospital or worse not to be there, 59 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: because that's just something you don't miss. You don't leave 60 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: a child standing there the last one, everybody's gone and 61 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: they're just standing there. No, that is not going to happen. 62 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: So she typically picked him up and dropped him off 63 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: every day. And you know what Mark Klass, founder Class 64 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Kids Foundation, And that's what it's called routine evidence. And 65 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't mean routine evidence as in it's typical, it's 66 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: running the medal evidence. I mean it's evidence of behavior 67 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: of routine, not just behavior, because behavior can vary, routine 68 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: typically does not vary. And right there, when she was 69 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: not there to take the little brother to school that morning, 70 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: everybody's just set off alarm bells. And that's very significant. 71 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: Mark class Well, it is very significant because this was 72 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: a woman who had her patterns, as you mentioned, and 73 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: the pattern was broken. So absolutely everybody went went into 74 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: a high alert at that point and they haven't let up. 75 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: They've done a tremendous job of looking for Alexis. I 76 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: was just thinking about what that clue right their main 77 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: Sharyl McCollum, because you know, one of the first things 78 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: you want to do is establish your timeline, because that 79 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: means so much to a case. It's so critical who 80 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: was with her at that time, where had she been, 81 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: had she been at the grocery store. Did somebody follow 82 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: her out? You know? You and I worked on a 83 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: case where a woman didn't know it, but she was 84 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: followed from the from the grocery store to the pharmacy. 85 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: And when she got back in the car, the three 86 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: little children remember her, Jackie, miss Beatty. Some per rises 87 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: up out of the back seat. Where thy knife? Okay? 88 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: Now what I wanted to know was where had she been? 89 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: How did she not see this guy? Who is this guy? 90 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking right now. Where had Alexis been? 91 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: Has she been at the grocery store? Has she been 92 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: at the library? Has she been at work? I know 93 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: one thing. She wasn't there to take a little brother 94 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: to school like she did every single morning. Evidence of routine, Cheryl, 95 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: A lot of timeline start with that, no question about it. 96 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: She was reliable, She was dependable. She did this every 97 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: morning that he had school, and he knew it. And 98 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: he was smart enough to call his brother and say, look, 99 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: something's all right because she's always here. You know. Another 100 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: thing about this, to you, Karen, start a lot of people, 101 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: I think you can identify this with this as well. 102 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: You might not go to your own doctor appointment, or 103 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: your dentist appointment, or you might forget to take your pill, 104 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: or you're this or you're that supposed to do. But 105 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: it's a lot harder. It would be a lot harder 106 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: for me to let down my children than it would 107 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: be from Eedle to ignore something for myself. I'm not 108 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: verbalizing this farewell, but I don't I think she might 109 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: ignore something that she was supposed to do for herself, 110 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: but to not take her little brother to school and 111 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: leave him high and dry, I don't see it, But 112 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean she's she's also we know she's extremely reliable 113 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: and she understands that they are depending on her. And 114 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: when you have someone depending on you, if it's a 115 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: little brother or your children, that makes a big difference. 116 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 1: You can not take care of you, like you said, 117 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: but you're certainly going to take care of the people 118 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: that are depending on you that you love. Let's go 119 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: out to our friend from KATV Fox to joining ouside 120 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: the Bay area, Amanda King, Tana, I mean, thank you 121 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: for being with us. I really appreciate it. I want 122 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: to hear about the area Antioch, California and the vehicle 123 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: found Brent with California. Let's start with Antioch. What's the 124 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: population about one hundred and twenty thousand. Yeah, so she 125 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: is from Oakley, so that's mainly where the search has 126 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: been in Oakley because that's where she lives with her family. 127 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: But she was last seen in Antioch. Yeah, I want 128 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: to talk about Antioch. Is it rural? Is it? What 129 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? It's it's a bigger city in that area, 130 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: but it's surrounded by a very moral area. It's east 131 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: of San Francisco, so about an hour from San Francisco, 132 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: but a pretty tight knit community over there. Now. The 133 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: reason I ask Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, is because the 134 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: area means a lot to me. For instance, if you're 135 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: in Manhattan, for Pete's sake, anybody right now, they've got 136 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: a serial killer killing homeless people, so already kill three 137 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: that we know off. It's like a needle in a haystack. 138 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: It could be one of millions and millions of people. 139 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: When you're in an area like Antioch, that's where she 140 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: was last saying, and there's one hundred thousand people living 141 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: there similar to where I grew up. That really limits 142 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: your number of persons of interest. Agree, disagree, Mindy Patrick, agree, Nancy, 143 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you one reason it does is you 144 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: most likely know people in your town. I know, one 145 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: hundred thousand may sound like a lot of people, but 146 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm willing to bet if they go to the same 147 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: grocery store, library, fitness centers. And when someone goes missing, 148 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: you're going to want to know where she last was. 149 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: You're going to want to know who she last spoke to. 150 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: And when you disregard a family obligation, you at the 151 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: very least know that this is not normal and that 152 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: you're going to want to start asking questions surrounding maybe 153 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: even that apple obligation. So you're right. Small towns are 154 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: more close knits and provide richer leads to try to 155 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: help authorities find the missing person. Chery will column. You 156 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: ever heard of the confluence? Okay? So we took the 157 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: twins across the country in an RV and one of 158 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: the places we went to was the beautiful arch in 159 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, right, and we went hiking. And this was 160 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: right after COVID had hit and everything was That's why 161 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: we went into RVY because we don't want to be 162 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: in hotels. We camped out the whole way and it's 163 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: where the Mighty Mississippi and the Muddy Missouri Okay seorg 164 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: they joined together the confluence. This area is beautiful Antioch. 165 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: That's where the San Joaquin and the Sacramento rivers join 166 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: and then they head to the Pacific Ocean. And once 167 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: you've seen something like that, never forget it. It's beautiful 168 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: and it's very, very tear isolated. But there's a lot 169 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: of rural area, a lot of forests, a lot of 170 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: countryside in that area, and that really changes the complexion 171 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: of the case when you have somebody to go missing 172 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: in an area like Antioch. Again, I'm going to start 173 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: with the vehicle because I'm gonna work backwards from there 174 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: because I know the ending the Indian is the car 175 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: is here and she's not with it. So I'm going 176 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: to work for any video that I can find, and 177 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: then I'm going to literally follow the cameras. So if 178 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: I have her leaving this neighborhood on Trenton Street, and 179 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: then I can pick her up at a bank, if 180 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: I can pick the car up at a convenience store 181 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: or a church or a school, anybody else that has 182 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: a camera, if they have the flock system, there of cameras. 183 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to follow backwards until I see her get 184 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: in that car park that car. What is she doing? 185 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: And I'm going to go backwards until I can intersect 186 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: her and a potential Well, you're absolutely right. The car's 187 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: the latest piece of evidence we have. You know, this 188 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: is Wendy. You know, one thing I would look at 189 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: is that her car was found on a residential street. 190 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: It wasn't in a ditch, it wasn't in a laden, 191 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: It was on a residential street with me and who 192 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: aren't going somewhere? Where was she on the way to 193 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: or the way from? So I agree that's a huge 194 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: piece of evidence. Time stories with Nancy Grace, you know, 195 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: you hear people that go missing and then years later 196 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: their cars found like in a body of water or 197 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: a river or something, and nobody knew it was there. 198 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: It's not like her car went down a ravine. It's 199 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: not like it's found in the water. She didn't crash 200 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: into a fixed stops like a tree or stop sign. 201 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: Her car sitting there, So why is she not in it? 202 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: Was she apprehended? Did somebody put her car there? Did 203 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: she even drive her car there? And that would make 204 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: me want the car to be processed on the inside 205 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: and out, including the driver's side handle, the steering wheel, 206 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: the dash, the seat belt, the console, the everything, the ignition, 207 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: remember and the race of hallback case. Stephen Avery making 208 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: a murderer. His DNA is found on the ignition in 209 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: her car. Well, Nancy, everything matters. Jump in the review 210 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: mirror is a good place to do as well, because 211 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: people just inadvertently do that. It's almost like a habit. 212 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: Side mirror, rearview mirror, the seat position, and remember in 213 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead the seat and Terra's car had been moved 214 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: back for a taller person to drive her car. She 215 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: was very petite. So what do I know? The keys 216 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: are in the car, but the car was not running, 217 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: which means whoever drove that car last had to shut 218 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: the keys off. I like the way you said, who 219 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: drive the car? We don't know if she drive for 220 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: a car there, guys, take a listen to our cut. 221 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: Four a is Rob nespit K and four. Alexis's family 222 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: says it's not like her to go this long without 223 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: at least texting or calling. Today was especially hard on 224 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: them as they come to grips with what might have 225 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: happened a people person who made new friends wherever she went. 226 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: Very outgoing. Gwyn Gabe says Alexis Gabe wasn't just his sister, 227 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: but also his best friend. The recent college graduate has 228 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: been missing since Wednesday night. Gwen's girlfriend, Morgan Strunfell, says 229 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: there were several reasons to worry as soon as her 230 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: friends hadn't heard from her all night. Essentially that was 231 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: the first stred flag. The fact that she never came home, 232 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: second red flag, and then obviously finding her car key's 233 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: in the admission doors unlocked was huge. You're hearing the 234 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: voices of Alexis' brother, Gwen Gabe, who was joining us, 235 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend who was taking a very active role 236 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: in the search for Alexis. Morgan's trend Fell. Morgan, thank 237 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: you again to you and get Gwen for being with us. Morgan, 238 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: tell me when you first learned it, Alexis seemingly just vanished. Um, well, 239 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: the situation kind of started Thursday morning. I mean you 240 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: kind of. It's the middle of the week, so everyone 241 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: is just going about their daily routine, as you said, 242 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: and there had been some conversation back and forth between 243 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: the two brothers like that Alexis hadn't made it home 244 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: to take him to school, and Gwen, her older brother, 245 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: was in class himself, so he had called me and 246 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: asked if I was headed home or would be home soon, 247 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: because he wanted to see if maybe Alexis was at 248 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: our place where we live. So I went and go 249 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: on ahead and headed straight home, and I said that 250 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: I would meet him there when I got here to 251 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: our place. There was no sign, offer or anything like that. 252 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: I really didn't think of anything of it at that point. 253 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: It was when Gwen met me here at the house, 254 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: and then we spoke with his parents to maybe twenty 255 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: thirty minutes after that. This would have been at like 256 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: eleven on Thursday morning, and at this time her parents 257 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: were pretty worried and wanted us to go ahead and 258 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: move forward with filing a missing person's report, because at 259 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: this point we had spoken with her friends and anyone 260 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: that we could have thought she would have been with, 261 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: and nobody had heard from her since the night previous. 262 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: You know, Morgan, it must have just felt like a 263 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: horrible dream. Because you hear about disappearances, you read about them. 264 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: But I guess in the back of my mind, I'm 265 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: thinking about when my son went missing inside of babies 266 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: or a superstore. When he went missing, all I could 267 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: think of were other cases I'd read about were children 268 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: his age was about three at that time, had gone 269 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: missing from a mall or a store, and I thought, this, this, 270 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: this is not happening. He's got to be here somewhere. 271 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Of course, I was screaming, bloody murder and for them 272 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: to lock the doors and start screaming and running with 273 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: my daughter, who was his twin under my arm like 274 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: a football Mark class. I'm sure you've heard the story 275 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: so many times. I hate to even tell it with 276 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: you listening, but it it was real, but it seemed surreal. 277 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: I guess what did that feel like? I can remember, 278 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: like thinking back to that day driving to the police station. 279 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: We were going to meet her friends there so that 280 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: we could have as much information for the police officer 281 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: as possible. And I remember my mom called me when 282 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: we were on our way there, and I remember telling 283 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: her like, Alexis is missing. But I didn't saying that 284 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: then didn't feel like it feels now. Obviously it's been 285 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: close to two months now, and she did. It just 286 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: not feel real at that time, Like he thought, Okay, 287 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: we're going to find or this is some screw. Yeah. 288 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: I mean obviously in the beginning, you are incredibly hopeful 289 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: because you're like, Okay, well, there's got to be some 290 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: reasonable explanation, like maybe she fell asleep somewhere and her 291 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: phone died. Maybe she just hasn't been able to charge 292 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: her phone. Like, you go through all of the logical reasons, 293 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: and at a certain point you kind of have to 294 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: face what's in front of you. And when we found 295 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: her car, dimerative in your head shifts for sure. So 296 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: what about that moment, Gwen, Gay, this is Alexis brother 297 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: and guys we use those just joining us. Let me 298 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: give the tip line right now nine two five six 299 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: two five eight zero six zero repeat nine two five 300 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: six two five eight zero six zero. We are looking 301 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: for Alexis Gabe, twenty four years old, beautiful on the 302 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: inside and the outside. Gwen, her brother joining us. Gwen, 303 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: when you pulled up and you saw her car sitting there, 304 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: what went through your mind? M just to look for 305 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: any clues? Um. Immediately I looked through the windows see 306 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: if anywhere was stuff was in there, and I saw 307 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: the keys that were in the car, and I told 308 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: I told everyone that the keys were in the car 309 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: and my cousin opened the door so it was unlocked, 310 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: and immediately we just started looking through the car and 311 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: I was at that point, um, it still didn't feel real. Um. 312 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: But looking back now, I think I was just in shock. 313 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to believe it. M It's it's definitely 314 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: something you you wouldn't find yourself being in a situation. 315 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: So it was definitely unreal for me. So out of 316 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: the ordinary. You know, Mark Class joining me is really 317 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: a legends hero to crime victims all across our Country's 318 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Mark Class k l A A S. Mark. I don't 319 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: think I ever tells you this. My husband travels a 320 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: lot for his business all over and he texts me 321 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: whenever he takes off, texts me when he lands, and 322 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: then we try to talk on the phone. But I'm 323 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: so busy, you know, trying to work and take care 324 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: of the children. A lot of time, I don't pick 325 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: the phone up when he calls. And that's just sp 326 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't vary. And there was a time Mark Class 327 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: he texts when he landed. I think it was in Miami. 328 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: That's a heck of a place. I mean, here's a 329 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: lot of crime there. Then I suddenly realized about eleven 330 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: o'clock that night, I never heard from him again. So 331 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: it's like three o'clock that afternoon, and that is totally 332 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: out of character. Well, let me tell you Mark class. 333 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: About four am, I finally find him at a hotel. 334 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: I think he's in his room asleep. You damn well 335 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: better be in there alone, number one. But I was 336 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: more worried about him having a heart attack. That's how 337 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: odd it is that he didn't text. I finally, somehow 338 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: long distance bullied and begged and pleaded and cried and 339 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: carried on and got the night clerk to go not 340 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: on his door with his cell phone on and check, 341 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: and David was just completely passed out of sleep. I 342 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: mean he had gotten up the morning before at three 343 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: am to catch an early flight. Blah blah blah. Can 344 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: I tell you how many hospitals I called? How many this? 345 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: How many that? I mean, just trying to make sure, 346 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: because like you're hearing Gwen say, you see the car, 347 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: it's totally out of the ordinary. It's something that doesn't happen, 348 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: that feeling. And I just got to ask you that 349 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: I can't believe there's a question I haven't asked you 350 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: about Polly's disappearance. When you were first confronted with the 351 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: fact that your girl, Polly was missing, did it even 352 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: seem real to you? Did you think, oh, this is 353 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: some script, this is a misunderstanding. Well, no, Nancy, it didn't. Actually, 354 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: I was asleep when we got the phone call, the 355 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: midnight phone call that nobody wants to receive, and it 356 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: was somebody telling me that Polly had been kidnapped. I 357 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: did a couple of things immediately, and it didn't feel real. 358 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't particularly freaking out yet at that point. 359 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: But the very first thing I did was called the 360 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: Pedaluma Police Department just to confirm that my daughter had 361 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: been reported missing, and once they were able to verify 362 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: who I was, they told me that she was missing. 363 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: The second thing I did is contacted the FBI and 364 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: basically begged them for their help. Then we did not, 365 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: obviously did not go back to sleep, and it was 366 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: only the next morning, at about six o'clock when the 367 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: news station, the local radio station, news radio station announced 368 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: that Polly class had been kidnapped, that it hit me 369 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: like a ton of bricks. It completely freaked me out. 370 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: And we quickly gathered some of our belongings and drove 371 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: up the Pedaluma, which was about a thirty mile trip, 372 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: and didn't return for over two months while we were 373 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: looking for Polly. Now, I have to say that her 374 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: case is so very different from this case in many 375 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: of the cases, because she's an adult, and you know, 376 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: there's an old trope in law enforcement that if they're 377 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: an adult, they're doing what they want to do and 378 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be interfered with, or that you have to 379 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: wait twenty four hours to make a missing person report 380 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: with law enforcement. And fortunately, in this case, because of 381 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: the wonderful advocacy of Morgan and Gwyn, people took this 382 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: very seriously from the very beginning, and her case did 383 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: not have a really cold period. It was a hot 384 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: case from moment one. People were aware of it, and 385 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: people were concerned about it, and people were taking action 386 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: about it. And I think that's kind of a wonderful 387 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: thing for both the family and their advocacy in law enforcement. Well, 388 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: you're right, Mark, class brother, Gwyn and his girlfriend Morgan 389 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: on this hit the ground run just like you, Dave 390 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: when Polly went missing. Take a listen to our cut eight. 391 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: This is Amanda Quintana, our friend from KTV. Alexis Gabe 392 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: didn't come home on January twenty six. Her family found 393 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: her car abandoned on a seemingly random street in Oakley 394 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: the next day with the keys in the ignition. But 395 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: there hasn't really been any new information since then. So 396 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: next week members of the Class Kids Foundation will be 397 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: arriving as a nonprofit that will help organize and train 398 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: volunteers to search for Alexis. Motions are definite coming out 399 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: a lot more. My parents are still not doing so well. 400 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: We're about to enter week four in the disappearance of 401 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: Alexis Gabe. That realization is especially hard on her brother 402 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: Gwynn and his girlfriend Morgan. The two have been leading 403 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: efforts to find her and we're looking brandsers is waiting 404 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: on getting harder crime stories with Nancy Grace to Amanda 405 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: Kitana joining us, Katvu Fox to joining us side of 406 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: the Bay Area again, thank you so much, Amanda for 407 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: being with us. A random street What does that mean? 408 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: Was it at the end of a cul de sac 409 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: as parked on the side of the street as if 410 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: she was going into that house? Describe where the car 411 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: was talking to the family. She had no connection to 412 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: that street. She didn't know anyone that lived there. She 413 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: didn't have any friends really in that area. But it 414 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: is a dead end street and kind of kind of 415 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: a cul de sac next to it, But a dead 416 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: end street that she had no connection to. Wow, a 417 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: dead end street. Let me ask you this, Guen Gabe, 418 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: this is Alexis brother was at part at the end 419 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: of the street. No, it was parked on the side, 420 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: not even near the cul de sact like near the 421 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: entrance of the street. The search is on for Alexis Gabe. 422 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven Philippe de jall 423 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: at k r O N four. Some fifty volunteers joined 424 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: the first two ground searches for twenty four year old 425 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: Alexis Gabe, an effort organized by the Class Kids Foundation. 426 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: The teams are spread out across eastern Contra Costa County, 427 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: checking remote areas off the beaten path for the Oakley residence. 428 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: We are coordinating with the police department in terms of 429 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: areas that they have wanted us to focus on. The 430 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: Oakley Police Department is leading the investigation into Alexis's disappearance. 431 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: Her older brother, Gwynn, and his girlfriend Morgan Strenfel stationed 432 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: at the Contra Costa County fair Grounds in Antioch, the 433 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: staging area for the search. I'm holding in a lot 434 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: of anger and frustration and every day get a little 435 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: more angry sheet more frustrated, but grateful for the attention 436 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: and support his family has received from the community. I'm 437 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: trying to figure out her amazements leaning up to her 438 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: disappearance to Morgan Strenfield, who is helping Alexa's brother Gwyan 439 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: lead to search. Where was she there not before she 440 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: gets missing? M As far as we know, we spoke 441 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: with her, and by we I mean her brother and 442 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: I spoke with her around four thirty on Wednesday, and 443 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: then we know that she dropped her little brother often 444 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: off at the apartment slash shows with her parents. That 445 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: was around the same time, around like four thirty five, 446 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: and then she also spoke with her best friends around 447 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: six thirty. At that time, she was still at her apartment. 448 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: She was just in her car in the parking lot. 449 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: And then after that, as far as we knew, she 450 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: said that she was coming to see Gwen. She told 451 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: multiple people that, But it looks like she went to 452 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend's house and that is the house of 453 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: Annioch two Amanda Quetana joining us, Katie du Fox too, 454 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: so we know she's alive and well. At six thirty 455 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: pm the night before she goes missing, that would have 456 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: been JAM twenty six correct, Yes, okay? And were there 457 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: any phone calls or text after six thirty pm? No? 458 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: From what I understand, talking to texting with her friends 459 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: was the last people that heard from her, and that 460 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: was at six thirty. Yes. Do we know Amanda Qutana 461 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: if her phone was payed after that? Has her cell 462 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: phone been found? Police have not released any information on that. 463 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: But from what I understand, once she was missing and 464 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: her family was looking for her, her phone was off 465 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: so they would call straight to voicemail. Cheryl McCollum, forensics 466 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: expert joining us, Cheryl, what about that This is not 467 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: like her to have her phone off. No, it's not 468 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: like her at all. I'm gonna want any data they 469 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: could be gotten from her vehicle if there's a computer 470 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: in her car, And I also want to know about 471 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: her cell phone and when those two things separated. When 472 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: did the phone stop and when did the car stop? 473 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: Because I don't think it's going to be at the 474 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: same time. I think the phone was done first and 475 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: then the car was abandoned. You know what else I want? 476 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: I want every ring doorbell comes a residential area. You 477 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: don't think everybody doesn't have a ring or something like 478 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: a ring doorbell, right, Remember how that cracked the Molly 479 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: Tibbott's case. Absolutely wonderful. Young Coe goes jogging. Ultimately I 480 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: believe it was a ring doorbell cam cease her going by. 481 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: But then they also see a car going by, coming back, 482 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: going by, coming back, and that car had unusual markings 483 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: I think, like scrapes on it. That's how that car 484 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: was found and the person's driving the car number one 485 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: suspect in her murder. Okay, so there you go. One 486 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: more thing I want, Nancy, is anybody with a lift 487 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: or an Uber pickup in that Vifinity. So what I 488 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: want to know is about the ring doorbells. I want 489 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: to find out about home security surveillance, another thing to 490 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: that area. Out to you, Gwen gab this is Alexis's brother. 491 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: We've been covering in Casey Alex Murdock case who says 492 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: he was shot on a rural road where there is 493 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: no cameras. And my question was when you turn onto 494 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: that road, what said the intersection? Turns out there's a 495 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: Baptist church there with a camera. Were there any businesses 496 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: anywhere near that subdivision that could catch people coming in 497 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: and out? Gwyn? Do you know from my understanding sort 498 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: of one side of the street there aren't any cameras 499 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: coming in there, and on the other side there are. 500 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: To me, that means yes, Gwyn, sort of that's a yes. 501 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't care where the camera is. If there's a camera, 502 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: I want to see it. So, if she drove the car, 503 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: what evidence would be looking for. If she did not 504 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: drive the car, that means she's somewhere else. Was there 505 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: a car jack? What do we know to you, Amanda Kitana? 506 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: Did she make it to the boyfriend's house? We believe 507 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: so from you know, in talking to the family and 508 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: what little information police have put out, we believe that 509 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: she did go to the boyfriend's house. Okay, Mark Class Founder, 510 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: Class Kids Foundation. What do we need to do now? Well, 511 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: we have to understand the law enforcement is keeping this 512 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: investigation very very close and they are not releasing a 513 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: lot of information. Is as we're finding out here and 514 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: what has to happen now is they have to be 515 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: left to do this investigation and we have to continue 516 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: with the searches on a weekly basis, hopefully on a 517 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: weekly basis, so that we can work together to bring 518 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: this to a conclusion. As was mentioned about Antioch and Oakley, 519 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: it's a suburban area, but it's it's a remote suburban area, 520 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: and it's a lot of open land. It's a beautiful, 521 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: beautiful terrain, but a lot of it's open. So, you know, 522 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: the opportunities to do something with a missing body, and 523 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that example. We're looking for our many and 524 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: varied so you know, we've all got our work cut 525 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: out for us to assign good searches and to get 526 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: our wonderful volunteers and there have been hundreds of them, 527 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: and we hope they'll keep coming back to search for 528 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: this girl until this case is concluded, and hopefully that 529 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: will be sooner rather than later. We know for a 530 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: fact she did make it to the boyfriend's house. I 531 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: know that for a fact, and this is how I 532 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 1: know it. Take a listen our cut six our friency 533 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: k in fourth Tuesday afternoon, Anioch Police removed several March 534 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: bags from this home on ben Tree Way as part 535 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: of a search warrant execution. The home is believed to 536 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: belong to the ex boyfriend of twenty four year old 537 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: Alexis Gabe. It was also the last place she was 538 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: reportedly seen. A statement was made by her ex boyfriend 539 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: that she was at his house until nine pm on 540 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: Wednesday night and after that she did not return home. Yes, 541 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: the police have questioned him more than once and have 542 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: taken his statement. We are not in contact with him, 543 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: so we don't know any other information regarding the ex boyfriend. 544 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: Among some of the items removed by investigators from that 545 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: home on Tuesday was a vacuum cleaner. Investigators hope the 546 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: items can provide answers on where they can find Gabe, 547 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: who was last seen on Wednesday. The very next day, 548 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: her car found abandoned with the key still inside of 549 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: the ignition. Amanda Kingtana KATV. How far from the boyfriend's 550 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: place was Alexis car found? Not far, But like I 551 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,959 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, his place is in Antioch and her car 552 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: was found in Oakley, so different cities. And again you know, 553 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: a random street, so her car's not near that apartment. 554 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: It's about five miles. Five miles, is that Morgan? Yes, 555 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: five miles. It may be in a different town, but 556 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: it's five miles. As the crows lies, that's not very far. 557 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: Mark Class, have you ever gone into a place and 558 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: you can see on the carpet where they just vacuumed? 559 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: You see the strips going back and forth. But you 560 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: love that when you go to a crime say make 561 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,959 Speaker 1: you wonder why they vacuum? It does make you wonder 562 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: why they vacuum by I believe that law enforcement is 563 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: probably onto something here. Like I say, they're keeping this 564 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: very very close, and the vacuum cleaner and other items 565 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: taken out of the house may prove very fruitful. I mean, 566 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: we have a situation where this guy claims that she 567 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: left at nine o'clock, and as Cheryl had mentioned about 568 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: the vehicle and about the phone, where do they diverge? 569 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: When did her phone go off? Tim that against the 570 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: nine o'clock moment that he said she left. I think 571 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: I think interesting things will be found out. You know, 572 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: Karen start joining me, new York psychologist joining us from Manhattan. 573 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: I always refer back to Mark Class, who happens to 574 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: be with us today, when somebody goes missing, I expect 575 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: the family, the loved ones, to do what he did. Here, 576 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: I just opened my door, coop, come on in, look 577 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 1: wherever you want to. Can you take my DNA, Please 578 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: take my fingerprints, my saliva. Here's my cell phone. Here's 579 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: my laptop. Here, here's my iPad, here whatever you want 580 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: my car, Here are the keys, here's the key to 581 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: my office. Just could you please hurry so you can 582 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: get past me and find who took Alexis. That's what 583 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: I would expect, would you, Karen Stark? Well, yeah, of 584 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: course you wouldn't answer, But you'd also be suspicious if 585 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: somebody didn't do that, because why not. Why wouldn't you 586 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: want to be like Mark up said, look, get me 587 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: out of the way. The first thing you did, the 588 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: first thing you did exactly when we all know that story. 589 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Mark was incredible at heartbreaking. But here it 590 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, No, it doesn't. Cheryl McCallan, did you 591 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: hear that the search was pursued to search warrant? I did, 592 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: And also it don'ed on me that that was a 593 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: very Nancy Grace move. Taking the entire vacuum cleanerp and 594 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely and to break your whole band and the 595 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: dust rag. And whether they're looking for hair or broken glass, 596 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: there's something significant. They know, they know they needed the 597 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: whole machine. Here's the problem with Cheryl. She would rightfully 598 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: have been there. So if you find her hair, her 599 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: fib or her DNA, it can be arguable. Of course 600 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: it's here because she's here all the time, because this 601 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: is her boyfriend. Was this her Amanda Keetana, her boyfriend 602 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: or her ex boyfriend from what the family has told 603 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: me ex boyfriend. Hey, Nancy, I gotta jump in jump 604 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: at this point. Again, her hair might belong there, but 605 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: inside a brand new vacuum cleaner back and he's gonna 606 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: vacuum after she leaves. Again, that's just it may be cucumstantial, 607 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: but it's pretty good. And especially that if it is 608 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: hair or something like that, if it's with bloody glass 609 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: or something else, that's going to be significant. I think 610 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: at this point we need canines, we need drones, because 611 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: I read that he has not participated in the searches. 612 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: So here you have Mark Class telling you I begged 613 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: the FBI for help, and here this person that dated 614 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: her for three years has not even helped look for her. 615 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: I wonder, Wendy Pasta, if that was an ex boyfriend, 616 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: why was she going over there anyway? Was she lord there? 617 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: Did she had to go pick something up? Were they 618 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: getting back together? I mean, I'm just curious, Wendy Pastrick. 619 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm also curious about that car. If the apartment had 620 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: just been vacuumed, had the car been wiped down. It's 621 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: not just what you said, but what you can't find 622 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: that matters. It's true, and what you can't find is 623 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: going to be what happens at night. And so if 624 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: she supposedly left at nine pm, you may have less 625 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: ring camera video to work with. It may be grainier, 626 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: there may be less people that were around who have 627 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: seen anything suspicious. And you know, it's ironic. We've been 628 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: talking about this gorgeous landscape in this area that just 629 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: provides more opportunity to hide a body, which is why 630 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: Mark Class and others are just such a hero going 631 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: forward in these volunteers that have been searching. But you're right, 632 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: there was less to work with if she left at 633 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: nine o'clock, that, my prediction, is going to become an 634 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: important piece of evidence. Thank for all we know what. 635 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: I have seen a case like this where a nurse 636 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: got off duty late at night and she was spotted 637 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: at a red light by a couple of guys that 638 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: didn't even know hard never seen her, and they kidnapped her. 639 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: Is not anyone connected to her? To Gwynn Gabe, what 640 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: is your message to your sister right now that my 641 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: family missus her. I think about her every night, every morning. 642 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: We're going to find her and mister stay strong, Morgan 643 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: strn failed. What is your message today? I guess just 644 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: a big thank you to all of the continued support 645 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: from everyone in keeping her story in her face out 646 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: there that helps us keep traction and pressure on the 647 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: case itself because we still don't have any answers. Our 648 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: prayers are with her mother, Rowena and Gwen, her brother 649 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: Morgan helping to search desperately, her little brother, and all 650 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: the searchers that are looking for Alexis. Please go to 651 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: Facebook to help bring Alexis Gabe home. The tip line 652 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: is nine two five six two five eight zero six zero. 653 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,879 Speaker 1: Please help Alexis family bring her home. Nancy Grace Crime 654 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: Story signing off, Goodbye friend,