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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 3: We're going to look at planes, We're going to look
Speaker 3: at Kansas City. We're going to find a guy who
Speaker 3: is just killing it with British accents. And there are
Speaker 3: a ton of headlines. But before we do any of this,
Speaker 3: have you guys been to Oklahoma?
Speaker 4: You know it's on my bucket list. I haven't, And
Speaker 4: that maybe not my bucket list, but my list of
Speaker 4: states that I have not visited.
Speaker 2: To my recollection, I've only been there through song with like.
Speaker 4: Do you mean the musical Oklahoma? Or the Semino or
Speaker 4: indie band Flaming Lips. They're from Oklahoma City, they claim it.
Speaker 4: They're one of the few Okay see claiming bands. Oh
Speaker 4: really quickly, but I just wanted to say I have
Speaker 4: another nickname for JJ JJ pauseway for the Causeway.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 4: I don't know why, but no Oklahoma. Most of what
Speaker 4: I know comes from the musical as well. Apparently it's
Speaker 4: where the wind goes sweeping down the planes.
Speaker 3: It's also, as it turns out, the center of a
Speaker 3: great controversy that's been making some headlines and needs more
Speaker 3: attention paid recently. As as of January nineteenth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: federal jury has convicted too Chinese nationals of human trafficking
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma related to the cannabis trade. Yeah yeah, true story.
Speaker 3: Matt Jeff Wang forty six years old and Tong Lynn
Speaker 3: twenty eight years old have been charged well convicted with
Speaker 3: conspiracy to possess with the intent to distribute cannabis plants. However,
Speaker 3: that is only the beginning of the story. They have
Speaker 3: been accused of managing a marijuana grow operation in I
Speaker 3: feel like we should pause here. So a lot of
Speaker 3: times people who are pro cannabis. Do not like the
Speaker 3: term marijuana. Have you guys heard that?
Speaker 4: I haven't, you know, I maybe it's got some buzz
Speaker 4: attached to it, you know, just from all the years
Speaker 4: of people saying it with a negative intent.
Speaker 3: You know, I suppose or marijuana madness and old Harry
Speaker 3: what was it, Harry j Aslingers or Aslinger's very racist
Speaker 3: tirades and weird vision against.
Speaker 4: Reef for madness, the idea that you know, it was
Speaker 4: of course largely there's those campaigns and propaganda attempts were
Speaker 4: targeting minority communities who were seen as like invading our
Speaker 4: country and taking over our you know, women and children,
Speaker 4: et cetera, and largely was blamed on and they're crazy
Speaker 4: because they're smoking this wacky tobacci mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is stuff. There is a lot of racism
Speaker 3: tied up in this. What we know, however, is that
Speaker 3: these two guys definitely were doing some dirty stuff. I'd
Speaker 3: like to go to the statement you can read from
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City on Justice dot Gov, which says the following.
Speaker 3: First things First, it's important for us to establish that
Speaker 3: this grow operation was legally sanctioned. It was licensed by
Speaker 3: the Oklahoma Medical marijuana authority, and evidence showed that these
Speaker 3: guys were up to all sorts of skullduggery. Quote. They
Speaker 3: drove delivery vans disguised as commercial vehicles, including one disguised
Speaker 3: as an Amazon delivery van, and they went all around
Speaker 3: town with this. They were known operators who was an
Speaker 3: open secret. They've also been accused of human trafficking unto
Speaker 3: sex trafficking. Unfortunately, the idea was they were they were
Speaker 3: targeting Chinese nationals through any number of online ads and once,
Speaker 3: like any other trafficking deal, they promised them the moon,
Speaker 3: and once the people arrived in Oklahoma legally or illegally,
Speaker 3: they found the the reality of their employment was much
Speaker 3: different from what had been advertised.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is very strange. It feels tangled to me, Ben,
Speaker 5: like there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2: As you said, right.
Speaker 5: It's hard for me to understand through some of the
Speaker 5: writing on the Oklahoma and some of these other places,
Speaker 5: like what exactly the groups are.
Speaker 2: That are involved in this stuff.
Speaker 5: So there was two guys you mentioned that are arrested
Speaker 5: with regards to this, but is it are they larger organizations.
Speaker 3: Arrested and convicted? It definitely seems like a larger organization there, Matt,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad you pointed out the article from the
Speaker 3: Oklahoma And by Josh Delaney published on January eleventh, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. The headline is this Chinese migrants lured to
Speaker 3: Oklahoma marijuana farms where victims of sex and labor trafficking Comma.
Speaker 3: Drummond says. Who is Drummond? Drummond is the Oklahoma Attorney
Speaker 3: General Jenner Drummond Jenner, first time hearing that name, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: and he is. He is of the same mind there, Matt.
Speaker 3: He is alleging that foreign cartels and Chinese nationals are
Speaker 3: are behind this, that it's bigger than two guys. However,
Speaker 3: there's a there's a weird issue here because Drummond has
Speaker 3: an agenda, it seems he is. He is describing these
Speaker 3: crimes all through the lens of the need to secure
Speaker 3: the southern US border. As anybody in the United States
Speaker 3: knows right now, the federal government and the government of
Speaker 3: Texas in particular, are super beefed up about who can
Speaker 3: exercise control over the border, how people should be treated
Speaker 3: when they arrive at the border. It's a it's a
Speaker 3: whole bag of Ravens.
Speaker 4: Silly question, maybe completely irrelevant, but is marijuana legal in
Speaker 4: Oklahoma or no?
Speaker 3: They have a medical marijuana ah.
Speaker 4: Okay, but they still have operations there and this was
Speaker 4: one of those, at least the cover story.
Speaker 3: The cover story. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 3: So Drummond is speaking at a hearing in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: In January, and he says, quote, the one thing these
Speaker 3: criminals have in common is that they have no regard
Speaker 3: for our laws or public safety. Criminal illegal immigrants are
Speaker 3: not content with only growing black market marijuana. They also
Speaker 3: produce and distribute fentanyl, and they engage in sex trafficking
Speaker 3: and labor trafficking. Oklahoma's law enforcement community fights a constant
Speaker 3: battle against these evils. And when he's saying this, he
Speaker 3: is one of three state level attorneys testifying before the
Speaker 3: Homeland Security Committee. This is a small thing, though, like
Speaker 3: the entry point into this store, is strange because Drummond
Speaker 3: and his cohort are primarily attempting to prove that the
Speaker 3: Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Majorcas has been quote derelict in
Speaker 3: his duty handling the migrant crisis at the US Mexico border. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so Wheels within wheels complicated.
Speaker 4: I was about to say, it's a complex set of
Speaker 4: machinations here. Wow, Okay, So what what is the ultimate
Speaker 4: takeaway here? Ben in terms of like what the top line,
Speaker 4: like what's next? Like what what's going on? This is
Speaker 4: a weird one.
Speaker 3: The ultimate takeaway, unfortunately, is that innocent people have been
Speaker 3: caught up and are being used as pawns in domestic
Speaker 3: US politics. The evidence is there that this sort of
Speaker 3: trafficking operation was real. They're not blowing smoke. It seems
Speaker 3: that there were international websites and job average avertisements that
Speaker 3: were specifically targeting poorer people in China or people from
Speaker 3: rural Chinese communities. The ads were things like, quote, looking
Speaker 3: for girls under fifty to do purely formal bed labor
Speaker 3: four days off a month and promise good hygiene. Yeah gosh,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 3: And none of us have been to Oklahoma. It is
Speaker 3: currently unclear just how deep this stuff goes. Obviously, the authorities,
Speaker 3: the Oklahoma AG is ledging that foreign drug cartels and
Speaker 3: possibly Chinese intelligence they're implying, are kind of building a
Speaker 3: corridor for people to sneak across the border and get
Speaker 3: up to all kinds of Shenanigans. But then again, we
Speaker 3: have to ask that's the motivation on Drummond's part. Is
Speaker 3: he trying to score political points? Like it feels like
Speaker 3: he's throwing every possible accusation out there, right, and some
Speaker 3: of it, honestly feels a little far reaching. Some of
Speaker 3: it has not been proven, but it does seem that
Speaker 3: it does seem that overall there is a Chinese drug
Speaker 3: manufacturing presence in Oklahoma, which I had no idea about.
Speaker 3: I had no idea that was a thing, or did I.
Speaker 2: It honestly makes me, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It makes me wonder about the Buford Highway corridor and
Speaker 5: a lot of the businesses, the smaller businesses in like
Speaker 5: industrial parks that are all along Buford Highway here in Georgia.
Speaker 5: Sure just about like stuff that probably most inspectors and
Speaker 5: people that would be looking into things like just local
Speaker 5: businesses just wouldn't have no idea of what was actually
Speaker 5: going on in those like larger warehouses.
Speaker 3: That's true. Beauford Highway, by the way, for anybody outside
Speaker 3: of Atlanta, refers to one of the most interesting parts
Speaker 3: of the metro area. The best food in Atlanta is
Speaker 3: on this street. It's called Beauford Highway. We're all fans, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, huge fans.
Speaker 5: And it's just very diverse with with lots of populations
Speaker 5: from different countries, right, or in pockets where if you're
Speaker 5: just thinking about maybe an organized criminal element that came
Speaker 5: from from like internationally and then traveled to the US
Speaker 5: and needed a place to operate, it seems like potentially
Speaker 5: a good place to operate.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's not much different than like, you know,
Speaker 4: certain areas in like say New York City, you know,
Speaker 4: where you've got concentrations of you know, certain groups that
Speaker 4: maybe have immigrated there and sort of set up a
Speaker 4: shop and that part of the city, and that sort
Speaker 4: of becomes a bit of a area where sometimes things
Speaker 4: like this and flourished because they sort of are their
Speaker 4: own sort of isolated communities in law.
Speaker 3: Of sure and concurrent concurrent mutually distinct systems of justice
Speaker 3: right and insular community wherein people are not going to
Speaker 3: contact the police because they may be threatened by their community.
Speaker 3: They may fear that if they report a crime, they
Speaker 3: themselves will hit the long arm of the law and
Speaker 3: be deported. Right, the silence is enforced, and perhaps it
Speaker 3: was naive of the three of us to assume that
Speaker 3: any state would be would not have something like this
Speaker 3: occurring within it. We do know that Oklahoma has seen
Speaker 3: in a precipitous rise in grow operations started by criminal organizations,
Speaker 3: and like many other places in Middle America, Oklahoma has
Speaker 3: also been witness to an absolute hurricane of fentanyl right
Speaker 3: which is rolling through the same way meth did inn
Speaker 3: Appalachia not too long ago. Yikes, guys, I apologize this
Speaker 3: is a little unfocused still because at least on my end,
Speaker 3: because again, it leads in so many different directions. I
Speaker 3: do feel this is something we should examine in an episode,
Speaker 3: So we're gonna keep this brief. This is primarily a
Speaker 3: call out if you are a conspiracy realist, you are
Speaker 3: listening in the Oklahoma area, or you are familiar with Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: we would like to hear from you. We would like
Speaker 3: to hear whether or not you think the Oklahoma ag
Speaker 3: is sort of exaggerating a thing or embellishing it for
Speaker 3: political points, whether you think this is a real where
Speaker 3: there's smoke, there's fire situation and oh lord sorry, yah,
Speaker 3: it's perfect. Let's keep it in because the dogs always know,
Speaker 3: always trust the dogs also shout out to that Colorado
Speaker 3: pastor who claims God said that he should pocket one
Speaker 3: point three million dollars worth of crypto. We're gonna pause
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Speaker 3: back with more strange news.
Speaker 4: And we've returned with more strange news. This one's been
Speaker 4: kind of off the radar for us, at least for
Speaker 4: a little while. I don't know if you guys remember
Speaker 4: the strange story of Nicholas Rossi aka Arthur Knight.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the.
Speaker 4: Dapper gentleman or is he from from the you know
Speaker 4: kingdom governor? Now he was much more proper than that.
Speaker 4: So just a quick catch up this this gentleman not
Speaker 4: really much of a gentleman if the alleged crimes he
Speaker 4: committed are to be believed. He essentially was wanted on
Speaker 4: a warrant for a rape that took place in Utah.
Speaker 4: It you know, as we know, oftentimes with the criminal
Speaker 4: justice system, things can take a little bit of time,
Speaker 4: and sometimes these rape kits get lost in the cracks,
Speaker 4: you know, when there's not enough funding and there's not
Speaker 4: enough organization. And we've heard many, you know, horrible stories
Speaker 4: about what can happen when you know, folks like this
Speaker 4: go free because there's no evidence to convict them. Well,
Speaker 4: it turns out that there was a rape kit performed
Speaker 4: on this alleged victim and that the DNA did match
Speaker 4: mister Rossi Nicholas Rossi.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And when he, I guess, realized that the jig was up,
Speaker 4: he fled the country to the United Kingdom, where he
Speaker 4: surfaced as a new person. This mister mister Knight.
Speaker 5: I just want to say he his last name is Brown,
Speaker 5: Arthur Knight, Brown, Arthur Knight Brown, and his squire and.
Speaker 3: His government name is Nicholas A. La Vederian.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna lean on y'all to fill in some
Speaker 4: of the guys about this, because I couldn't remember all
Speaker 4: of the details. But in you know, kind of reading
Speaker 4: catching up, the gist of it is that he assumed
Speaker 4: this identity and uh the UK and then somehow floated
Speaker 4: the notion that he had terminal cancer. Uh. And then
Speaker 4: also there was an obituary of some kind. He ended
Speaker 4: up in the hospital for COVID related illnesses breathing difficulties
Speaker 4: in the light and through that visit there there was
Speaker 4: some question as to whether or not this this death
Speaker 4: scenario is actually true or not, and the authority looked
Speaker 4: into it and when they you know, caught win. This
Speaker 4: guy was in this hospital in Glasgow. Uh. They compared
Speaker 4: his tattoos to interpole records of known fugitives and then
Speaker 4: got a hit back that this these tattoos matched this
Speaker 4: alleged rapist Nicholas Rossi. You guys will probably also remember
Speaker 4: when we originally talked about this. He he basically like
Speaker 4: made all these public appearances on television in the news
Speaker 4: where he was like I've been you know, I can't
Speaker 4: even do it.
Speaker 3: He's a protosantus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's basically like doing this Henry Higgins type, you know,
Speaker 4: horrible British accent. Like it's almost comical what he's doing.
Speaker 4: That's the new. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get
Speaker 4: to that. That's that's that's the latest. But back in
Speaker 4: this he's on this very high production value interview show
Speaker 4: and he's with a woman and I can't remember the
Speaker 4: identity of the woman or or why she was involved,
Speaker 4: but he's basically wearing like an oxygen mask and to
Speaker 4: the interviewer, you know, doing this whole routine about how
Speaker 4: he's been, you know, a victim of mistake and identity,
Speaker 4: and he can no longer walk because of his illness,
Speaker 4: and he makes an effort to get up and then
Speaker 4: does this like really, you know, kind of outlandish stutter step.
Speaker 3: He was framed.
Speaker 4: That was what I was gonna mention. When he was
Speaker 4: in a coma due to this COVID he was definitely
Speaker 4: very ill. Uh. He claims that those tattoos were put
Speaker 4: on him. I remember that from your commentary on this
Speaker 4: or when you may have brought this story originally, Matt,
Speaker 4: but you run out the fact that he I don't
Speaker 4: know for some reason, I'm hearing it in your voice,
Speaker 4: but the idea that he made these claims that he
Speaker 4: was tattooed against his will while under you know, in
Speaker 4: the throes of a coma, for for what reason you know,
Speaker 4: no one could possibly know.
Speaker 5: Really quickly, really quickly, Let's imagine that scenario actually happens
Speaker 5: to someone. You go into a coma, you come out,
Speaker 5: and you've been tattooed.
Speaker 2: How do you.
Speaker 5: Explain that to anybody without sounding like an absolute nutter
Speaker 5: or liar?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the British arlance because there is the just
Speaker 3: the the level of suspension of this there. If that
Speaker 3: actually happened to anyone, it would still sound crazy, be
Speaker 3: very difficult to prove. But also doesn't that sort of
Speaker 3: successfully leverage somewhat valid distrust in medical authorities, because you know,
Speaker 3: there's more than one surgeon who just sort of left
Speaker 3: some stuff in bodies when they were operating.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a good point you both make. It
Speaker 4: is a relatively interesting grift because it immediately casts aspersions
Speaker 4: onto like a field of prominence and trust. Right, So
Speaker 4: he's basically saying, I'm the victim here some horrible, horrible
Speaker 4: surgeon you know, tattooed me whilst I was slumbering.
Speaker 3: But he never provides a motive. Now, that's that's the
Speaker 3: thing that's need.
Speaker 4: He couldn't pssibly understand. He's he's just I was once
Speaker 4: a normal husband. And there's a part too when he's
Speaker 4: doing these interviews, are he's still clearly I mean no,
Speaker 4: not not to poke fun, but stuffering from COVID. He
Speaker 4: sounds kind of like Baine from the Batman movies. You know,
Speaker 4: he's got this thing going on and it's just such
Speaker 4: a bit even like there's pictures of him wearing like
Speaker 4: a frickin' what you would think a cartoon rendering of
Speaker 4: a British person would be a bowler hat and a
Speaker 4: pinstriped suit with the tiny cravats. You know, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's absurd. The guy is like, uh, he gotta give
Speaker 4: him props, I guess for committing to the bit, because
Speaker 4: after fighting more than two years, he has now finally
Speaker 4: been extradited to Utah's fourth District Court, so he is
Speaker 4: no longer on the run. He's something. You know, the
Speaker 4: details will emerge, I imagine when when there's more court appearances.
Speaker 4: But he is sort of you know, their problem now,
Speaker 4: that court's problem. And he made an appearance wherein he
Speaker 4: continued with the bit and you were mentioning it earlier.
Speaker 4: He refers to the judge, who seems very confused and
Speaker 4: has to be reminded by I believe the problem prosecutor
Speaker 4: that this man is it was extradited and his you know,
Speaker 4: has not has refused to give accurate representation of his identity,
Speaker 4: you know, based on what they clearly absolutely unequivocally know.
Speaker 4: But the judge, he says, but madam, that is a
Speaker 4: pure here say, and I would have I would thank
Speaker 4: you to not besmirch my good good name in this court.
Speaker 4: And he refers to the judge as what does he say,
Speaker 4: ben lady milady, and malady does say malady, and then
Speaker 4: he says something else, some formal britishism for like a
Speaker 4: judge that there's there's a lady ladyship. He's a ladyship,
Speaker 4: I believe. He says yeah at one point, and you know,
Speaker 4: he's like, this is a foce, it's a kangaroo court,
Speaker 4: you know everything. But so geez, guys, we know how
Speaker 4: hard it is to fake your own death for good reason,
Speaker 4: you know. And this guy definitely made a good made
Speaker 4: a go of it. I wouldn't say a good go,
Speaker 4: but he does appear to have finally been brought to justice,
Speaker 4: even if he won't admit it. It does also appear
Speaker 4: that in the intervening time he's been tied to multiple
Speaker 4: other sex crimes. Yeah, so this is a gnarly dude,
Speaker 4: and I don't mean that in the cool surfer parlaance.
Speaker 4: This guy sucks, you know, if these crimes are to
Speaker 4: be believe, these alleged crimes.
Speaker 3: Of course, right, you know what, he definitely doesn't have
Speaker 3: no non Hodgkin lymphoma, which I believe he claimed he had.
Speaker 3: Is that what he claimed killed him in Rhode Island? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that he had weeks to live and then had There
Speaker 3: was a in this kind of half assed pseudo side
Speaker 3: attempt I think there. I want to say, there was
Speaker 3: no obituary. I mentioned that. Yeah, yeah, so that was
Speaker 3: end of February twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: That's right. And then the authorities over there in Scotland
Speaker 4: yard what have you. I don't remember exactly how or
Speaker 4: why he was already on their radar to some degree,
Speaker 4: but there, at the very least was a sense that
Speaker 4: this was bogus, and they looked into it further, and
Speaker 4: sure enough they did find it to have been bous.
Speaker 4: I believe I think that the faking of the own
Speaker 4: death was was done after he was already kind of
Speaker 4: being questioned. Isn't that right? I'm sorry, the chronology of
Speaker 4: it's a little funky, and it's it's it's been a minute.
Speaker 4: So if I'm getting the order of operations there are wrong,
Speaker 4: Please let let us know, listeners. But yeah, it would
Speaker 4: appear that, whether he accepts it or not, his proverbial
Speaker 4: goose is cooked.
Speaker 5: This is where he has an extensive Wikipedia page.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he was the Internet's main character for a minute,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean.
Speaker 3: Really everybody gets a turn.
Speaker 4: Yes, So what's what kind of stuff are you seeing
Speaker 4: on there outside of the realm of these crimes and Shenanigans.
Speaker 3: Huge advocacy advocate for child welfare for a short time.
Speaker 5: Well allegedly, but then there might be those claims might
Speaker 5: be bocus. There's his involvement with something called Nexus Government.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's a proto Santos, like George Santo's
Speaker 3: looked at this guy and thought, hey man, anybody can
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 5: He was a legislative page in the Rhode Island House
Speaker 5: of Representatives when he was like a kid fourteen.
Speaker 3: And people described him as brilliant but dangerous. Well, retrospect
Speaker 3: we know that he also had had, as you pointed out,
Speaker 3: and only had multiple previous run ins with the medical establishment,
Speaker 3: I believe. In our previous Strange News segment, we talked
Speaker 3: about how he really pushed the Providence Journal pretty hard
Speaker 3: to report his illness and then attempted to also push
Speaker 3: them to report his obituary and his demise, which as
Speaker 3: we see, did not actually happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does also appear that he made several appeals
Speaker 4: against extradition and was finally denied on the fourteenth of
Speaker 4: December of twenty twenty three. So, just to give credit
Speaker 4: recredits to BBC reports that he was not identified as
Speaker 4: a subject until about a decade later due to a
Speaker 4: backlog of DNA test kits at the state's crime lab.
Speaker 4: So that's the issue. It's not necessarily things getting lost,
Speaker 4: it's just this egregious backlog and the fact that it
Speaker 4: requires physical, you know, humans to test these kits, these
Speaker 4: rape kits. So yeah, I don't really have anything else
Speaker 4: to add good to good to this. This seemingly alleged
Speaker 4: monster and charlatan has been brought to justice, or at
Speaker 4: least is on the road to being brought to justice.
Speaker 3: Oh, he also edited his own Wikipedia page.
Speaker 4: That makes of course he did, because of course he did.
Speaker 3: A leases he would he would remember that thing Donald
Speaker 3: Trump would do where he would tall radio stations and
Speaker 3: pretend to be another guy.
Speaker 4: I do remember there were there are clips of that
Speaker 4: out there in the world. But Matt, that's probably where
Speaker 4: the child advocacy stuff comes from, as him like giving
Speaker 4: himself like, hey, this would make me look like a
Speaker 4: like a boss.
Speaker 3: So so shout out, uh Noel, if we could before
Speaker 3: we move on, can we just add this is it?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: If I add one more of this guy's aliases, Oh
Speaker 3: my goodness, please Hyacinth Bucket. Okay, that's hilarious. But even
Speaker 3: you know, my guys I'm always talking about on the internet.
Speaker 4: Today they pointed out that the name Arthur Knight is
Speaker 4: just about the most you know, just like the way
Speaker 4: he dresses, the most cliche, like I'm British name you
Speaker 4: could possibly imagine, second only to the one that you
Speaker 4: just said, sounds like a cartoon character in a British
Speaker 4: animated you know, public television program.
Speaker 3: You're not too far off. Hyacinth Bucket is the name
Speaker 3: of a character in a British sitcom keeping up appearances.
Speaker 4: So that's well, that's a very good pseudonym. Then, at all, Jesus,
Speaker 4: he just picked up. He picked a brick comm character.
Speaker 3: He likes the empire.
Speaker 4: He's trying to pass in the child. Dude, it's just
Speaker 4: the tip of the ice. There's there's there's extended material
Speaker 4: from this most recent court appearance where he's just everyone
Speaker 4: seems so confused. The poor judge, and the judge refers
Speaker 4: to him, which I think is a mistake as as
Speaker 4: Arthur Knight as mister Knight. Don't you guys see that's
Speaker 4: a mistake. I don't know. It's clearly been established that
Speaker 4: he has this personal else he wouldn't have been able
Speaker 4: to be extra died. But I guess I don't know
Speaker 4: the details of that side of things, but one would
Speaker 4: assume that no one is beholden to refer to him
Speaker 4: by his made up name that he won't stop using.
Speaker 4: He's like a super villain who gradually and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden he drops the accent and you see
Speaker 4: who he was all along, You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 4: what is this guy's deal? He just seems like a
Speaker 4: nightmare human. But do you think the judge calling him
Speaker 4: by his fake name is a little inappropriate?
Speaker 5: I don't know how it works with procedure, right if
Speaker 5: someone is there stating that, like raising your hand, right,
Speaker 5: and you're gonna testify, but you state your name is
Speaker 5: something that it is not, how does that work? Yeah,
Speaker 5: if it's on record that you're a different identity standing
Speaker 5: trial as that person.
Speaker 3: Guys, he was also he was also the judge just
Speaker 3: so you know, Oh.
Speaker 4: Scooby Doo situation. Man, he put off the rubber mask
Speaker 4: and he was he was like a spider man pointing
Speaker 4: to himself. This is wild. Make sure headspin the level
Speaker 4: of I don't know, first of all, just like I
Speaker 4: mean to dig a lie this deep to the point
Speaker 4: where you're just gonna have to play along with it indefinitely.
Speaker 4: But at this point the jig is so up you'd
Speaker 4: think he would just let it go. But then then
Speaker 4: your mind, you know what though, I'm being victim to
Speaker 4: him myself, And then a moment like, but what if
Speaker 4: they got him wrong? You know, I guess that's what
Speaker 4: he's hoping for. I don't He's a little late for that.
Speaker 4: But anyway, do you guys have any other closing thoughts
Speaker 4: on this one?
Speaker 2: Doppel Gangers do exist?
Speaker 3: As a good point met this is also a great
Speaker 3: story for our friends over at Ridiculous Crime Check.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is very much a kissing cousin to the
Speaker 4: Santos debacle. Just the levels of lies. Soh the lies
Speaker 4: we tell. Well, let's take a quick break here, a
Speaker 4: word from our sponsor, and then we'll come back with
Speaker 4: one more piece of strange news.
Speaker 5: And we've returned. Gentlemen, let us cast our minds back
Speaker 5: to last week on this very program Strange News, when
Speaker 5: we discussed three bodies that were discovered at a home
Speaker 5: in Kansas City, Missouri. Those three bodies belonged to Clayton mcguinney,
Speaker 5: David Harrington, and Ricky Johnson. These were three friends who
Speaker 5: were hanging out along with well at the time when
Speaker 5: we discussed it before, one other person who rented a
Speaker 5: home where they all watched a football game together. And
Speaker 5: then the person who rented the home went to sleep
Speaker 5: and those three men expired somehow in the backyard of
Speaker 5: that home. One of the bodies was discovered by one
Speaker 5: of the fiances of one of the dead people, and
Speaker 5: then police discovered the rest. They interviewed and questioned the
Speaker 5: tenant there, and there was no nothing else to be
Speaker 5: known at the time.
Speaker 3: Oh time window right, We got to mention that three days.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, over the course of so from Sunday, January
Speaker 5: seventh until Tuesday, January ninth, the family members of the
Speaker 5: three men who were found dead were gone for three days,
Speaker 5: and they were attempted to be contacted by family members
Speaker 5: and friends. No contact was made and again then they
Speaker 5: were discovered dead. So we have some new information, you guys.
Speaker 5: The tenant, the fourth person who was there during all
Speaker 5: of the events, whatever went down that led to three
Speaker 5: men being dead. The tenant has hired an attorney and
Speaker 5: the attorney has been speaking out to local news stations.
Speaker 5: The attorney's name is John Picerno and he is being
Speaker 5: retained by Jordan Willis. That is the fourth name. We
Speaker 5: did not name that person last time we spoke about
Speaker 5: this because it was being withheld by most of the
Speaker 5: most of the major media outlets. This person is not
Speaker 5: charged with anything as we record this on Wednesday, January
Speaker 5: twenty fourth, but the attorney is speaking on his behalf
Speaker 5: I think more at least according to their story, more
Speaker 5: as a formality to protect him, make sure there's an
Speaker 5: attorney speaking rather than him speaking, because it is still
Speaker 5: there's still an ongoing investigation, a death investigation, not a murder,
Speaker 5: homicide or any of that investigation, just death investigation. And
Speaker 5: again police still as of this day, Wednesday, January twenty fourth,
Speaker 5: they do not suspect any foul play and the autopsy
Speaker 5: is still being completed, so we still don't have any
Speaker 5: official cause of death from a medical examiner that's been
Speaker 5: released or anything like that.
Speaker 3: And can we just mention I think this is super important.
Speaker 3: Every time the idea of autopsy or forensics comes up
Speaker 3: in these explorations, we have to acknowledge it is not
Speaker 3: like the stuff you see on the so called copaganda.
Speaker 3: It's not like what you would see on fiction shows
Speaker 3: or even indeed in you know, feature length films. This
Speaker 3: kind of stuff usually goes to a lab of very
Speaker 3: hard working folks who are often overwhelmed and often have
Speaker 3: a backlog of cases. So it is not necessarily conspiratorial
Speaker 3: nor unusual that it would take it would take a
Speaker 3: while to get autopsy results.
Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed, Completely agreed, And it is thought that it
Speaker 5: will take up to another two weeks from today as
Speaker 5: we record, to receive that information. And really what's most
Speaker 5: intriguing here would be the toxicology report, because questions have
Speaker 5: surrounded like how do three grown men end up outside
Speaker 5: and possibly freezing to death?
Speaker 4: You know, you guys, are you guys watching the new
Speaker 4: season A True Detective?
Speaker 2: I love it, only seen the first episode thus far.
Speaker 4: Well, then you know that it involves a bunch of
Speaker 4: grown men that end up outside frozen to death under
Speaker 4: dubious circumstances. That's how episode one ends. And you know,
Speaker 4: I've only seen the next episode, of course, but uh
Speaker 4: that that those are the questions that the true detectives
Speaker 4: are asking, like what would cause someone to do this?
Speaker 4: What would cause someone to because in the show they
Speaker 4: don't have their clothes on either, and they're all in
Speaker 4: this kind of huddled mass, horror, horrific huddled mass. But
Speaker 4: that is I wonder what kind of questions the detectives
Speaker 4: around this case are asking.
Speaker 5: Well, there's there's a lot. So let's jump to some
Speaker 5: writing by Malik Jackson for Fox four. I believe he
Speaker 5: was reporting initially. His his reporting is shown up on
Speaker 5: like NBC affiliates and all these other affiliates locally. But
Speaker 5: Malik has written about this extensively and it's been picked
Speaker 5: up by several other sources there locally. So let's let's
Speaker 5: jump to his reporting out of Fox four. The article's title,
Speaker 5: if you want to look it up, is details change Again.
Speaker 5: Fifth friend speaks out after three men found dead at
Speaker 5: k See home.
Speaker 2: Fifth Friend.
Speaker 5: Okay, so that same attorney Perserno said the last time
Speaker 5: that willis the tenant who was also there saw the
Speaker 5: three men was when they left the house and he
Speaker 5: went to bed. But then Piserno confirmed to Fox four
Speaker 5: on Monday, that's this past Monday, that a fifth person
Speaker 5: was present, a fifth person in the house, and this
Speaker 5: fifth person was there with the victims when he Willis
Speaker 5: went to sleep, and at some point, according to Willis's attorney,
Speaker 5: Willis got tired and went to sleep while they were
Speaker 5: while those guys, the three guys and the fourth guy
Speaker 5: were all hanging out, and as far as I know,
Speaker 5: there was a couple other people in the house.
Speaker 3: I also, I love the idea. Sorry, love is a
Speaker 3: weird word to say, but it's it's fascinating to me,
Speaker 3: the informality of the attorney saying hanging out. Do you
Speaker 3: describe it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, But it gets weirder because then the next day
Speaker 5: Paserno says, oh, no, I misspoke, sorry about that. Willis
Speaker 5: actually says, my client says that he escorted the men
Speaker 5: to the door, said goodbye, and then went back to
Speaker 5: the couch and fell asleep. So like he said goodbye
Speaker 5: to everybody out the front door. First it was, oh,
Speaker 5: he went to bed while the guys were still hanging out,
Speaker 5: and he thinks they probably left at some point then, No,
Speaker 5: I let him out at some point and I went
Speaker 5: to sleep.
Speaker 2: But the fifth.
Speaker 5: Person, who now has an attorney. There is a fifth
Speaker 5: person who was there, speaking through an attorney, said, oh, no,
Speaker 5: when I left, the three victims, the three people who
Speaker 5: were found dead and Willis were still awake and out. Yes,
Speaker 5: they were still awake when I left. He said he
Speaker 5: got there around seven pm on that Sunday night. Right,
Speaker 5: they were watching stuff. He was hanging out with four
Speaker 5: others until midnight when he left. He also says that no,
Speaker 5: they were watching Jeopardy and a Gentleman's Game.
Speaker 3: Honestly, with the limited information we have in these updates,
Speaker 3: we can't say the story seems to be evolving if
Speaker 3: we want to be diplomatic right with freezing to death
Speaker 3: and so on? Like, Also, also can you blame the
Speaker 3: fifth person? Can you imagine, like what would happen if
Speaker 3: you were from ordering up, you have some friends and
Speaker 3: then you learned that three of those folks you hung
Speaker 3: out with were dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying for lawyering up right? You can? Can
Speaker 4: you blame them? Right?
Speaker 3: I mean? Also, could you blame the person for taking
Speaker 3: a minute to reply? Right, they didn't come forward immediately,
Speaker 3: is what I'm seeing, Matt. Is that great?
Speaker 4: Well? Yes, And I was also going to add from
Speaker 4: from the last time we talked about this, this the
Speaker 4: original story was the dude whose house it was Willis right, Yes,
Speaker 4: he had been contacted repeatedly by numerous folks and and
Speaker 4: you know, to no avail and then just kind of
Speaker 4: casually sauntered out at the end and when someone came
Speaker 4: to his door, like with a beer in his hand
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: In boxing.
Speaker 5: So, according to his attorney, Piserno, he has stated this
Speaker 5: multiple times, the only messages Willis received were via Facebook
Speaker 5: Messenger and he did not receive any text messages from
Speaker 5: friends and family of the three victims or calls. But
Speaker 5: then the attorney for Person number five, attorney named last
Speaker 5: named t. A. L. G. E. Tale, is disputing that claim,
Speaker 5: saying that his client, Person number five, received a text
Speaker 5: message from Clayton mcgheiney's fiance, the person who ended up
Speaker 5: discovering the bodies, and from Ricky Johnson's mother, who were
Speaker 5: both asking, hey, where where are our loved ones? Right like,
Speaker 5: where where's Ricky? Where's where's Clayton? And that person then
Speaker 5: reached back out via those messages saying, well, they're at
Speaker 5: the house. That's that's where they're we're hanging out the house.
Speaker 5: They're at the house.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: But then person number four, that attorney is saying no,
Speaker 5: that never happened, and that kind of thing. So it's
Speaker 5: just it's now he said, he said kind of thing.
Speaker 5: It's very very strange, and it's also weird to see
Speaker 5: right now both attorneys going on national news and local
Speaker 5: news stating things, Yeah, as the police are attempting to
Speaker 5: wrap up a quote death investigation.
Speaker 4: SE's like a lot of people trying to cover their
Speaker 4: own butts.
Speaker 3: I think, so, well, that's how I mean, that's how
Speaker 3: it happens, too, right, because people want an answer again,
Speaker 3: there is there is a mystery here, and then the
Speaker 3: absence of clear answers, speculation thrives.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to say, devil worship.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that that you're pointing out. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of these a lot of
Speaker 3: these things are just questions, ongoing investigations. No one has
Speaker 3: been at this point accused of a crime to my knowledge.
Speaker 5: No, No, the police haven't accused anybody. The families, of course,
Speaker 5: think something horrible went down, right, So they just want
Speaker 5: to know. They want to know the truth, and they
Speaker 5: want justice if something did go down right, that is
Speaker 5: punishable unless it was one weird, strange accident. That seems
Speaker 5: unprecedented to me, But we have seen in the past
Speaker 5: where maybe someone gets a little too intoxicated and wanders
Speaker 5: outside and you know, falls asleep at some point in.
Speaker 2: The cold and does freeze to death.
Speaker 6: That can have three well, not just yellow pass like,
Speaker 6: like just being a little intoxicated, even if you're kind
Speaker 6: of bundled up, but you're a little too drunk and
Speaker 6: you're hanging outside just chatting or.
Speaker 4: Asleep, you feel falsely warm. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it can happen, is all I'm saying. It's just
Speaker 5: strange that it happen to three people at the same
Speaker 5: house while there's still people who are alive at that
Speaker 5: house for several days before the police ever show up.
Speaker 3: Within reach of shelter.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think that whatever, if there were extracurricular
Speaker 4: activities involved beyond drinking, that whatever those three men did,
Speaker 4: the other two did as well, I think. And I
Speaker 4: think that the dude whose home it was emerging kind of
Speaker 4: bleary eyed after being unable to be reached for so long,
Speaker 4: indicates that he was blacked out and he was in
Speaker 4: some kind of stupor as well. You know, he just
Speaker 4: had a warm bed to be in to.
Speaker 3: Pass might explain the space in the reporting time. You know,
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a logical thing to ask,
Speaker 3: even if we cannot prove it it is.
Speaker 5: But according to the attorney, who again is speaking on
Speaker 5: news interviews, is saying that his client works from home
Speaker 5: and he just didn't notice he was going into his
Speaker 5: office and working because right, this happened Sunday night. Then
Speaker 5: wake up on Monday, go to work, wake up on Tuesday,
Speaker 5: start work.
Speaker 2: It's the show up.
Speaker 4: But you know, you guys have been to my house,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, if I had people over and we
Speaker 4: were partying and stuff, and then everyone went on their
Speaker 4: way and I maybe went down into my basement studio,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't double check to make sure that they were
Speaker 4: had had actually left. It wouldn't even occur to me
Speaker 4: to do so. Let's also not entirely throw this to
Speaker 4: under the bus.
Speaker 3: Sure either, Sure would you say that you, on average
Speaker 3: see your backyard more than once every seventy two hours.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm saying people would have exited out of my
Speaker 4: front door through my front yard if I had gone
Speaker 4: down into the basement that I'm facing the opposite direction,
Speaker 4: I have no view into that unless the ring camera
Speaker 4: caught them. But that's only if they're right on the porch,
Speaker 4: you know. I you know, I've never checked behind to
Speaker 4: see if my guests had departed. You know, I'll check
Speaker 4: in and make if there was drinking involved that I'm concerned,
Speaker 4: and you know I would check in make sure they
Speaker 4: got home safe. And of course I would never I
Speaker 4: would always discourage people from driving, you know, intoxicated, But
Speaker 4: I would have no view into that at all.
Speaker 5: Well, right now there are no real answers. Captain Jake Betching,
Speaker 5: I think, is how you would say that spoke with
Speaker 5: Fox News Digital and said the incident is quote one
Speaker 5: hundred percent not being investigated as a homicide. So there
Speaker 5: we go.
Speaker 4: Wow, pretty definitive. Yeah, so maybe it be wrongful death though,
Speaker 4: could could that be a civil That would be a
Speaker 4: different matter, wouldn't it If someone wanted to, you know,
Speaker 4: take a civil case against this guy for negligence of
Speaker 4: some kind. Perhaps he gave them bad drugs. Perhaps he
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. I mean, there's a millionaires, there.
Speaker 3: Are a ton of possibilities. But I think the main
Speaker 3: thing is we can we can hope that there will
Speaker 3: be uh, there will be results from a continuing investigation here,
Speaker 3: because again one of the most important points we raised
Speaker 3: in our previous conversation is that there are three kids
Speaker 3: without a father.
Speaker 5: Very much, guys, I'm going to do this really quick.
Speaker 5: One other thing I had to mention for today, then
Speaker 5: we'll get out of here. Boeing Boeing had another little incident,
Speaker 5: another oopsie, this time at Hartsfield Jackson. She's the Atlanta International.
Speaker 3: Airport, busiest airport in the world.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna play a tiny little snippet of some air
Speaker 5: traffic control. It's gonna be the tiniest snippet ever. Just
Speaker 5: let's just listen to this real quick.
Speaker 2: Here it goes nine two.
Speaker 3: This is the aircraft looking at you. One of your
Speaker 3: nose tires just came off. It just rolled off the
Speaker 3: runway behind you.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 5: And just for some context there, that air traffic control
Speaker 5: comes from an incident where a seven forty seven plane
Speaker 5: was literally taxiing to be the next flight, the next
Speaker 5: plane that takes off on the runway, and the plane
Speaker 5: behind it happened to notice that one of the wheels
Speaker 5: on the front of the plane just kind of flew
Speaker 5: off and went down the opposite direction on the runway.
Speaker 3: That plane for planes, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, just a heads up everybody.
Speaker 2: That happened. And it's so funny.
Speaker 5: There's a southwest plane that's like three or four planes
Speaker 5: behind all the other ones in line to take off,
Speaker 5: and and you know, air traffic and this plane as
Speaker 5: well as the observer all like trying to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 5: what's the best course of action. We probably need to
Speaker 5: get you towed off of this runway. We'll need to
Speaker 5: get you to a delta, you know, area to have
Speaker 5: the plane inspected and all this stuff. And in the
Speaker 5: Southwest play it is just like, hey, so are you
Speaker 5: gonna move us to a different lane? Looks like this
Speaker 5: is gonna take a while, and air traffic is just like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's gonna take a minute.
Speaker 4: Hold up.
Speaker 2: It's just so funny to hear.
Speaker 5: Maybe almost it's not that informal the way I'm saying it,
Speaker 5: but it feels that informal. I guess in the colms
Speaker 5: like a parent talking to the children.
Speaker 2: In some way. It was amusing to me.
Speaker 3: We all have to collectively keep an eye on technology, right.
Speaker 3: Also shout out to the folks who were riding in
Speaker 3: a Tesla that appear to detect ghosts in a graveyard.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're gonna play a clip for
Speaker 3: that one, but they definitely are screaming in the car.
Speaker 5: Do either of you have a backup on your cars?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay, so I just got one of those with my
Speaker 5: the latest vehicle that I've gotten, And if there is
Speaker 5: any obstruction or even strange lines on the road, it
Speaker 5: gives me a warning that there's a person behind me.
Speaker 5: And I just wonder if there's some kind of detection
Speaker 5: like that with Tesla's going on where it's just a
Speaker 5: slight pattern or something that it's picking up and it
Speaker 5: just outlines a person, because isn't that what the Tesla
Speaker 5: one does? It like shows oh there's a person right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's actually let's actually play a clip. So there's
Speaker 3: three people who are screaming as they're looking at that,
Speaker 3: uh that kind of heads up displayed that a tesla
Speaker 3: has and they see figures multiplying on the screen, and
Speaker 3: the guy who's driving is a Tesla employee.
Speaker 2: Wow, and so.
Speaker 5: Aren't they driving through a graveyard too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah again, and then these figures appear to pop up.
Speaker 3: But maybe it's just the censors, like you're mentioning, misreading
Speaker 3: or maybe even airing on the side of caution because
Speaker 3: you don't want you don't want your you don't want
Speaker 3: your camera or your sensors to be in the news.
Speaker 3: As the device that said, here's a tree, but it
Speaker 3: was a human child, you know.
Speaker 2: Either way, don't hit it, don't hit it.
Speaker 3: Just try not to hit things. And at this point,
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