1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: my name is Noela. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined with our guest 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 3: producer JJ. The main way, pause way. You may recognize 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: him from luminary works like stuff to blow your mind. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: Most importantly, you are here. That makes this the stuff 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. It is the top 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 3: of the week. We are returning to Strange News. We're 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: going to have some updates. We're going to have several updates. 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: We're going to look at planes, We're going to look 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: at Kansas City. We're going to find a guy who 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: is just killing it with British accents. And there are 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: a ton of headlines. But before we do any of this, 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: have you guys been to Oklahoma? 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: You know it's on my bucket list. I haven't, And 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 4: that maybe not my bucket list, but my list of 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: states that I have not visited. 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: To my recollection, I've only been there through song with like. 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: Do you mean the musical Oklahoma? Or the Semino or 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 4: indie band Flaming Lips. They're from Oklahoma City, they claim it. 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 4: They're one of the few Okay see claiming bands. Oh 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 4: really quickly, but I just wanted to say I have 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 4: another nickname for JJ JJ pauseway for the Causeway. 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: Nice. 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 4: I don't know why, but no Oklahoma. Most of what 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 4: I know comes from the musical as well. Apparently it's 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 4: where the wind goes sweeping down the planes. 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: It's also, as it turns out, the center of a 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: great controversy that's been making some headlines and needs more 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: attention paid recently. As as of January nineteenth, twenty twenty four, 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: federal jury has convicted too Chinese nationals of human trafficking 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: in Oklahoma related to the cannabis trade. Yeah yeah, true story. 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: Matt Jeff Wang forty six years old and Tong Lynn 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: twenty eight years old have been charged well convicted with 39 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: conspiracy to possess with the intent to distribute cannabis plants. However, 40 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: that is only the beginning of the story. They have 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: been accused of managing a marijuana grow operation in I 42 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: feel like we should pause here. So a lot of 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: times people who are pro cannabis. Do not like the 44 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: term marijuana. Have you guys heard that? 45 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: I haven't, you know, I maybe it's got some buzz 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: attached to it, you know, just from all the years 47 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: of people saying it with a negative intent. 48 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: You know, I suppose or marijuana madness and old Harry 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: what was it, Harry j Aslingers or Aslinger's very racist 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: tirades and weird vision against. 51 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: Reef for madness, the idea that you know, it was 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: of course largely there's those campaigns and propaganda attempts were 53 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 4: targeting minority communities who were seen as like invading our 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: country and taking over our you know, women and children, 55 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: et cetera, and largely was blamed on and they're crazy 56 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: because they're smoking this wacky tobacci mm hmm. 57 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is stuff. There is a lot of racism 58 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: tied up in this. What we know, however, is that 59 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: these two guys definitely were doing some dirty stuff. I'd 60 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: like to go to the statement you can read from 61 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: Oklahoma City on Justice dot Gov, which says the following. 62 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: First things First, it's important for us to establish that 63 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: this grow operation was legally sanctioned. It was licensed by 64 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: the Oklahoma Medical marijuana authority, and evidence showed that these 65 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: guys were up to all sorts of skullduggery. Quote. They 66 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: drove delivery vans disguised as commercial vehicles, including one disguised 67 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: as an Amazon delivery van, and they went all around 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: town with this. They were known operators who was an 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: open secret. They've also been accused of human trafficking unto 70 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: sex trafficking. Unfortunately, the idea was they were they were 71 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: targeting Chinese nationals through any number of online ads and once, 72 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: like any other trafficking deal, they promised them the moon, 73 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: and once the people arrived in Oklahoma legally or illegally, 74 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: they found the the reality of their employment was much 75 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: different from what had been advertised. 76 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is very strange. It feels tangled to me, Ben, 77 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 5: like there's a lot going on. 78 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: As you said, right. 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 5: It's hard for me to understand through some of the 80 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 5: writing on the Oklahoma and some of these other places, 81 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 5: like what exactly the groups are. 82 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: That are involved in this stuff. 83 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 5: So there was two guys you mentioned that are arrested 84 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 5: with regards to this, but is it are they larger organizations. 85 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: Arrested and convicted? It definitely seems like a larger organization there, Matt, 86 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: and I'm glad you pointed out the article from the 87 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 3: Oklahoma And by Josh Delaney published on January eleventh, twenty 88 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: twenty four. The headline is this Chinese migrants lured to 89 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: Oklahoma marijuana farms where victims of sex and labor trafficking Comma. 90 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: Drummond says. Who is Drummond? Drummond is the Oklahoma Attorney 91 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 3: General Jenner Drummond Jenner, first time hearing that name, Yes, yeah, 92 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: and he is. He is of the same mind there, Matt. 93 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: He is alleging that foreign cartels and Chinese nationals are 94 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: are behind this, that it's bigger than two guys. However, 95 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: there's a there's a weird issue here because Drummond has 96 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 3: an agenda, it seems he is. He is describing these 97 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: crimes all through the lens of the need to secure 98 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: the southern US border. As anybody in the United States 99 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: knows right now, the federal government and the government of 100 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: Texas in particular, are super beefed up about who can 101 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: exercise control over the border, how people should be treated 102 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: when they arrive at the border. It's a it's a 103 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: whole bag of Ravens. 104 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 4: Silly question, maybe completely irrelevant, but is marijuana legal in 105 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 4: Oklahoma or no? 106 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: They have a medical marijuana ah. 107 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: Okay, but they still have operations there and this was 108 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: one of those, at least the cover story. 109 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: The cover story. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. 110 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: So Drummond is speaking at a hearing in Washington, d C. 111 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: In January, and he says, quote, the one thing these 112 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 3: criminals have in common is that they have no regard 113 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: for our laws or public safety. Criminal illegal immigrants are 114 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 3: not content with only growing black market marijuana. They also 115 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: produce and distribute fentanyl, and they engage in sex trafficking 116 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: and labor trafficking. Oklahoma's law enforcement community fights a constant 117 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: battle against these evils. And when he's saying this, he 118 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: is one of three state level attorneys testifying before the 119 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: Homeland Security Committee. This is a small thing, though, like 120 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: the entry point into this store, is strange because Drummond 121 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: and his cohort are primarily attempting to prove that the 122 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Majorcas has been quote derelict in 123 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: his duty handling the migrant crisis at the US Mexico border. Yeah, 124 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: so Wheels within wheels complicated. 125 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 4: I was about to say, it's a complex set of 126 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: machinations here. Wow, Okay, So what what is the ultimate 127 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: takeaway here? Ben in terms of like what the top line, 128 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: like what's next? Like what what's going on? This is 129 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 4: a weird one. 130 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: The ultimate takeaway, unfortunately, is that innocent people have been 131 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 3: caught up and are being used as pawns in domestic 132 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: US politics. The evidence is there that this sort of 133 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: trafficking operation was real. They're not blowing smoke. It seems 134 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: that there were international websites and job average avertisements that 135 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: were specifically targeting poorer people in China or people from 136 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: rural Chinese communities. The ads were things like, quote, looking 137 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: for girls under fifty to do purely formal bed labor 138 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: four days off a month and promise good hygiene. Yeah gosh, 139 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: I know. 140 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 5: I know. 141 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: And none of us have been to Oklahoma. It is 142 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:41,239 Speaker 3: currently unclear just how deep this stuff goes. Obviously, the authorities, 143 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: the Oklahoma AG is ledging that foreign drug cartels and 144 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: possibly Chinese intelligence they're implying, are kind of building a 145 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: corridor for people to sneak across the border and get 146 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: up to all kinds of Shenanigans. But then again, we 147 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: have to ask that's the motivation on Drummond's part. Is 148 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: he trying to score political points? Like it feels like 149 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: he's throwing every possible accusation out there, right, and some 150 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: of it, honestly feels a little far reaching. Some of 151 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: it has not been proven, but it does seem that 152 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: it does seem that overall there is a Chinese drug 153 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: manufacturing presence in Oklahoma, which I had no idea about. 154 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: I had no idea that was a thing, or did I. 155 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: It honestly makes me, I don't know. 156 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 5: It makes me wonder about the Buford Highway corridor and 157 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 5: a lot of the businesses, the smaller businesses in like 158 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 5: industrial parks that are all along Buford Highway here in Georgia. 159 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 5: Sure just about like stuff that probably most inspectors and 160 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 5: people that would be looking into things like just local 161 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 5: businesses just wouldn't have no idea of what was actually 162 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 5: going on in those like larger warehouses. 163 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: That's true. Beauford Highway, by the way, for anybody outside 164 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: of Atlanta, refers to one of the most interesting parts 165 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: of the metro area. The best food in Atlanta is 166 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: on this street. It's called Beauford Highway. We're all fans, yeah. 167 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 2: Oh, huge fans. 168 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 5: And it's just very diverse with with lots of populations 169 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 5: from different countries, right, or in pockets where if you're 170 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 5: just thinking about maybe an organized criminal element that came 171 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 5: from from like internationally and then traveled to the US 172 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 5: and needed a place to operate, it seems like potentially 173 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 5: a good place to operate. 174 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's not much different than like, you know, 175 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 4: certain areas in like say New York City, you know, 176 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 4: where you've got concentrations of you know, certain groups that 177 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: maybe have immigrated there and sort of set up a 178 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 4: shop and that part of the city, and that sort 179 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: of becomes a bit of a area where sometimes things 180 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 4: like this and flourished because they sort of are their 181 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: own sort of isolated communities in law. 182 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: Of sure and concurrent concurrent mutually distinct systems of justice 183 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: right and insular community wherein people are not going to 184 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: contact the police because they may be threatened by their community. 185 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: They may fear that if they report a crime, they 186 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 3: themselves will hit the long arm of the law and 187 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: be deported. Right, the silence is enforced, and perhaps it 188 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: was naive of the three of us to assume that 189 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: any state would be would not have something like this 190 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: occurring within it. We do know that Oklahoma has seen 191 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: in a precipitous rise in grow operations started by criminal organizations, 192 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: and like many other places in Middle America, Oklahoma has 193 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: also been witness to an absolute hurricane of fentanyl right 194 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: which is rolling through the same way meth did inn 195 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: Appalachia not too long ago. Yikes, guys, I apologize this 196 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 3: is a little unfocused still because at least on my end, 197 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: because again, it leads in so many different directions. I 198 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: do feel this is something we should examine in an episode, 199 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 3: So we're gonna keep this brief. This is primarily a 200 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: call out if you are a conspiracy realist, you are 201 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: listening in the Oklahoma area, or you are familiar with Oklahoma, 202 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: we would like to hear from you. We would like 203 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: to hear whether or not you think the Oklahoma ag 204 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: is sort of exaggerating a thing or embellishing it for 205 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 3: political points, whether you think this is a real where 206 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: there's smoke, there's fire situation and oh lord sorry, yah, 207 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: it's perfect. Let's keep it in because the dogs always know, 208 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 3: always trust the dogs also shout out to that Colorado 209 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: pastor who claims God said that he should pocket one 210 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 3: point three million dollars worth of crypto. We're gonna pause 211 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: for a word from our sponsors and we'll be right 212 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: back with more strange news. 213 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: And we've returned with more strange news. This one's been 214 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: kind of off the radar for us, at least for 215 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: a little while. I don't know if you guys remember 216 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: the strange story of Nicholas Rossi aka Arthur Knight. 217 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the. 218 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: Dapper gentleman or is he from from the you know 219 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: kingdom governor? Now he was much more proper than that. 220 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: So just a quick catch up this this gentleman not 221 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: really much of a gentleman if the alleged crimes he 222 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: committed are to be believed. He essentially was wanted on 223 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: a warrant for a rape that took place in Utah. 224 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: It you know, as we know, oftentimes with the criminal 225 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: justice system, things can take a little bit of time, 226 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: and sometimes these rape kits get lost in the cracks, 227 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 4: you know, when there's not enough funding and there's not 228 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 4: enough organization. And we've heard many, you know, horrible stories 229 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: about what can happen when you know, folks like this 230 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: go free because there's no evidence to convict them. Well, 231 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: it turns out that there was a rape kit performed 232 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 4: on this alleged victim and that the DNA did match 233 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: mister Rossi Nicholas Rossi. 234 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 235 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: And when he, I guess, realized that the jig was up, 236 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: he fled the country to the United Kingdom, where he 237 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: surfaced as a new person. This mister mister Knight. 238 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 5: I just want to say he his last name is Brown, 239 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 5: Arthur Knight, Brown, Arthur Knight Brown, and his squire and. 240 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: His government name is Nicholas A. La Vederian. 241 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna lean on y'all to fill in some 242 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: of the guys about this, because I couldn't remember all 243 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: of the details. But in you know, kind of reading 244 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: catching up, the gist of it is that he assumed 245 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: this identity and uh the UK and then somehow floated 246 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: the notion that he had terminal cancer. Uh. And then 247 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 4: also there was an obituary of some kind. He ended 248 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 4: up in the hospital for COVID related illnesses breathing difficulties 249 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 4: in the light and through that visit there there was 250 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: some question as to whether or not this this death 251 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: scenario is actually true or not, and the authority looked 252 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: into it and when they you know, caught win. This 253 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 4: guy was in this hospital in Glasgow. Uh. They compared 254 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: his tattoos to interpole records of known fugitives and then 255 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 4: got a hit back that this these tattoos matched this 256 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 4: alleged rapist Nicholas Rossi. You guys will probably also remember 257 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 4: when we originally talked about this. He he basically like 258 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 4: made all these public appearances on television in the news 259 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: where he was like I've been you know, I can't 260 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 4: even do it. 261 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: He's a protosantus. 262 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's basically like doing this Henry Higgins type, you know, 263 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: horrible British accent. Like it's almost comical what he's doing. 264 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: That's the new. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get 265 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 4: to that. That's that's that's the latest. But back in 266 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: this he's on this very high production value interview show 267 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 4: and he's with a woman and I can't remember the 268 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: identity of the woman or or why she was involved, 269 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: but he's basically wearing like an oxygen mask and to 270 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 4: the interviewer, you know, doing this whole routine about how 271 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: he's been, you know, a victim of mistake and identity, 272 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: and he can no longer walk because of his illness, 273 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 4: and he makes an effort to get up and then 274 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 4: does this like really, you know, kind of outlandish stutter step. 275 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 3: He was framed. 276 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: That was what I was gonna mention. When he was 277 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 4: in a coma due to this COVID he was definitely 278 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: very ill. Uh. He claims that those tattoos were put 279 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: on him. I remember that from your commentary on this 280 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 4: or when you may have brought this story originally, Matt, 281 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: but you run out the fact that he I don't 282 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 4: know for some reason, I'm hearing it in your voice, 283 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: but the idea that he made these claims that he 284 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 4: was tattooed against his will while under you know, in 285 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 4: the throes of a coma, for for what reason you know, 286 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 4: no one could possibly know. 287 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 5: Really quickly, really quickly, Let's imagine that scenario actually happens 288 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 5: to someone. You go into a coma, you come out, 289 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 5: and you've been tattooed. 290 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: How do you. 291 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 5: Explain that to anybody without sounding like an absolute nutter 292 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: or liar? 293 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the British arlance because there is the just 294 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: the the level of suspension of this there. If that 295 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: actually happened to anyone, it would still sound crazy, be 296 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 3: very difficult to prove. But also doesn't that sort of 297 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: successfully leverage somewhat valid distrust in medical authorities, because you know, 298 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 3: there's more than one surgeon who just sort of left 299 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: some stuff in bodies when they were operating. 300 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 4: You know, it's a good point you both make. It 301 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: is a relatively interesting grift because it immediately casts aspersions 302 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: onto like a field of prominence and trust. Right, So 303 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 4: he's basically saying, I'm the victim here some horrible, horrible 304 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: surgeon you know, tattooed me whilst I was slumbering. 305 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 3: But he never provides a motive. Now, that's that's the 306 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: thing that's need. 307 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 4: He couldn't pssibly understand. He's he's just I was once 308 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: a normal husband. And there's a part too when he's 309 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 4: doing these interviews, are he's still clearly I mean no, 310 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 4: not not to poke fun, but stuffering from COVID. He 311 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 4: sounds kind of like Baine from the Batman movies. You know, 312 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 4: he's got this thing going on and it's just such 313 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 4: a bit even like there's pictures of him wearing like 314 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 4: a frickin' what you would think a cartoon rendering of 315 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 4: a British person would be a bowler hat and a 316 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 4: pinstriped suit with the tiny cravats. You know, I mean, 317 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 4: it's absurd. The guy is like, uh, he gotta give 318 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: him props, I guess for committing to the bit, because 319 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 4: after fighting more than two years, he has now finally 320 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: been extradited to Utah's fourth District Court, so he is 321 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 4: no longer on the run. He's something. You know, the 322 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 4: details will emerge, I imagine when when there's more court appearances. 323 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: But he is sort of you know, their problem now, 324 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: that court's problem. And he made an appearance wherein he 325 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 4: continued with the bit and you were mentioning it earlier. 326 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 4: He refers to the judge, who seems very confused and 327 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: has to be reminded by I believe the problem prosecutor 328 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 4: that this man is it was extradited and his you know, 329 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: has not has refused to give accurate representation of his identity, 330 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 4: you know, based on what they clearly absolutely unequivocally know. 331 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 4: But the judge, he says, but madam, that is a 332 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: pure here say, and I would have I would thank 333 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: you to not besmirch my good good name in this court. 334 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 4: And he refers to the judge as what does he say, 335 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 4: ben lady milady, and malady does say malady, and then 336 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 4: he says something else, some formal britishism for like a 337 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 4: judge that there's there's a lady ladyship. He's a ladyship, 338 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 4: I believe. He says yeah at one point, and you know, 339 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 4: he's like, this is a foce, it's a kangaroo court, 340 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: you know everything. But so geez, guys, we know how 341 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 4: hard it is to fake your own death for good reason, 342 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 4: you know. And this guy definitely made a good made 343 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 4: a go of it. I wouldn't say a good go, 344 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: but he does appear to have finally been brought to justice, 345 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 4: even if he won't admit it. It does also appear 346 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 4: that in the intervening time he's been tied to multiple 347 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 4: other sex crimes. Yeah, so this is a gnarly dude, 348 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: and I don't mean that in the cool surfer parlaance. 349 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 4: This guy sucks, you know, if these crimes are to 350 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 4: be believe, these alleged crimes. 351 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: Of course, right, you know what, he definitely doesn't have 352 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: no non Hodgkin lymphoma, which I believe he claimed he had. 353 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 3: Is that what he claimed killed him in Rhode Island? Yeah, 354 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: that he had weeks to live and then had There 355 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: was a in this kind of half assed pseudo side 356 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: attempt I think there. I want to say, there was 357 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: no obituary. I mentioned that. Yeah, yeah, so that was 358 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: end of February twenty twenty. 359 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 4: That's right. And then the authorities over there in Scotland 360 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: yard what have you. I don't remember exactly how or 361 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 4: why he was already on their radar to some degree, 362 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 4: but there, at the very least was a sense that 363 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: this was bogus, and they looked into it further, and 364 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: sure enough they did find it to have been bous. 365 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 4: I believe I think that the faking of the own 366 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: death was was done after he was already kind of 367 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 4: being questioned. Isn't that right? I'm sorry, the chronology of 368 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: it's a little funky, and it's it's it's been a minute. 369 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 4: So if I'm getting the order of operations there are wrong, 370 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 4: Please let let us know, listeners. But yeah, it would 371 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 4: appear that, whether he accepts it or not, his proverbial 372 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 4: goose is cooked. 373 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 5: This is where he has an extensive Wikipedia page. 374 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he was the Internet's main character for a minute, 375 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 4: you know, I mean. 376 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: Really everybody gets a turn. 377 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: Yes, So what's what kind of stuff are you seeing 378 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: on there outside of the realm of these crimes and Shenanigans. 379 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: Huge advocacy advocate for child welfare for a short time. 380 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 5: Well allegedly, but then there might be those claims might 381 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 5: be bocus. There's his involvement with something called Nexus Government. 382 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's a proto Santos, like George Santo's 383 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: looked at this guy and thought, hey man, anybody can 384 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 3: do it. 385 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 5: He was a legislative page in the Rhode Island House 386 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 5: of Representatives when he was like a kid fourteen. 387 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: And people described him as brilliant but dangerous. Well, retrospect 388 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: we know that he also had had, as you pointed out, 389 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: and only had multiple previous run ins with the medical establishment, 390 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: I believe. In our previous Strange News segment, we talked 391 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: about how he really pushed the Providence Journal pretty hard 392 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: to report his illness and then attempted to also push 393 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: them to report his obituary and his demise, which as 394 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: we see, did not actually happen. 395 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does also appear that he made several appeals 396 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: against extradition and was finally denied on the fourteenth of 397 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 4: December of twenty twenty three. So, just to give credit 398 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 4: recredits to BBC reports that he was not identified as 399 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 4: a subject until about a decade later due to a 400 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 4: backlog of DNA test kits at the state's crime lab. 401 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 4: So that's the issue. It's not necessarily things getting lost, 402 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 4: it's just this egregious backlog and the fact that it 403 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 4: requires physical, you know, humans to test these kits, these 404 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: rape kits. So yeah, I don't really have anything else 405 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: to add good to good to this. This seemingly alleged 406 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: monster and charlatan has been brought to justice, or at 407 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 4: least is on the road to being brought to justice. 408 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 3: Oh, he also edited his own Wikipedia page. 409 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: That makes of course he did, because of course he did. 410 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: A leases he would he would remember that thing Donald 411 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: Trump would do where he would tall radio stations and 412 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: pretend to be another guy. 413 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: I do remember there were there are clips of that 414 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 4: out there in the world. But Matt, that's probably where 415 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 4: the child advocacy stuff comes from, as him like giving 416 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: himself like, hey, this would make me look like a 417 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: like a boss. 418 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: So so shout out, uh Noel, if we could before 419 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 3: we move on, can we just add this is it? 420 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 4: Okay? 421 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: If I add one more of this guy's aliases, Oh 422 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: my goodness, please Hyacinth Bucket. Okay, that's hilarious. But even 423 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 3: you know, my guys I'm always talking about on the internet. 424 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: Today they pointed out that the name Arthur Knight is 425 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 4: just about the most you know, just like the way 426 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: he dresses, the most cliche, like I'm British name you 427 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 4: could possibly imagine, second only to the one that you 428 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 4: just said, sounds like a cartoon character in a British 429 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 4: animated you know, public television program. 430 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: You're not too far off. Hyacinth Bucket is the name 431 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: of a character in a British sitcom keeping up appearances. 432 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: So that's well, that's a very good pseudonym. Then, at all, Jesus, 433 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 4: he just picked up. He picked a brick comm character. 434 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 3: He likes the empire. 435 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 4: He's trying to pass in the child. Dude, it's just 436 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: the tip of the ice. There's there's there's extended material 437 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 4: from this most recent court appearance where he's just everyone 438 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 4: seems so confused. The poor judge, and the judge refers 439 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: to him, which I think is a mistake as as 440 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: Arthur Knight as mister Knight. Don't you guys see that's 441 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 4: a mistake. I don't know. It's clearly been established that 442 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 4: he has this personal else he wouldn't have been able 443 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: to be extra died. But I guess I don't know 444 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 4: the details of that side of things, but one would 445 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 4: assume that no one is beholden to refer to him 446 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 4: by his made up name that he won't stop using. 447 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: He's like a super villain who gradually and then all 448 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 4: of a sudden he drops the accent and you see 449 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: who he was all along, You know what I mean? Like, 450 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 4: what is this guy's deal? He just seems like a 451 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 4: nightmare human. But do you think the judge calling him 452 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 4: by his fake name is a little inappropriate? 453 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 5: I don't know how it works with procedure, right if 454 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 5: someone is there stating that, like raising your hand, right, 455 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 5: and you're gonna testify, but you state your name is 456 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 5: something that it is not, how does that work? Yeah, 457 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 5: if it's on record that you're a different identity standing 458 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 5: trial as that person. 459 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 3: Guys, he was also he was also the judge just 460 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 3: so you know, Oh. 461 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: Scooby Doo situation. Man, he put off the rubber mask 462 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: and he was he was like a spider man pointing 463 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 4: to himself. This is wild. Make sure headspin the level 464 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: of I don't know, first of all, just like I 465 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 4: mean to dig a lie this deep to the point 466 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 4: where you're just gonna have to play along with it indefinitely. 467 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 4: But at this point the jig is so up you'd 468 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: think he would just let it go. But then then 469 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 4: your mind, you know what though, I'm being victim to 470 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: him myself, And then a moment like, but what if 471 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 4: they got him wrong? You know, I guess that's what 472 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 4: he's hoping for. I don't He's a little late for that. 473 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: But anyway, do you guys have any other closing thoughts 474 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 4: on this one? 475 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: Doppel Gangers do exist? 476 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: As a good point met this is also a great 477 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 3: story for our friends over at Ridiculous Crime Check. 478 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is very much a kissing cousin to the 479 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: Santos debacle. Just the levels of lies. Soh the lies 480 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 4: we tell. Well, let's take a quick break here, a 481 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: word from our sponsor, and then we'll come back with 482 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 4: one more piece of strange news. 483 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 5: And we've returned. Gentlemen, let us cast our minds back 484 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 5: to last week on this very program Strange News, when 485 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 5: we discussed three bodies that were discovered at a home 486 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 5: in Kansas City, Missouri. Those three bodies belonged to Clayton mcguinney, 487 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 5: David Harrington, and Ricky Johnson. These were three friends who 488 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 5: were hanging out along with well at the time when 489 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 5: we discussed it before, one other person who rented a 490 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 5: home where they all watched a football game together. And 491 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 5: then the person who rented the home went to sleep 492 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 5: and those three men expired somehow in the backyard of 493 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 5: that home. One of the bodies was discovered by one 494 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: of the fiances of one of the dead people, and 495 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 5: then police discovered the rest. They interviewed and questioned the 496 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 5: tenant there, and there was no nothing else to be 497 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 5: known at the time. 498 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: Oh time window right, We got to mention that three days. 499 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 5: Oh yes, over the course of so from Sunday, January 500 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 5: seventh until Tuesday, January ninth, the family members of the 501 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 5: three men who were found dead were gone for three days, 502 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: and they were attempted to be contacted by family members 503 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 5: and friends. No contact was made and again then they 504 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 5: were discovered dead. So we have some new information, you guys. 505 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 5: The tenant, the fourth person who was there during all 506 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 5: of the events, whatever went down that led to three 507 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 5: men being dead. The tenant has hired an attorney and 508 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 5: the attorney has been speaking out to local news stations. 509 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 5: The attorney's name is John Picerno and he is being 510 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 5: retained by Jordan Willis. That is the fourth name. We 511 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 5: did not name that person last time we spoke about 512 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 5: this because it was being withheld by most of the 513 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 5: most of the major media outlets. This person is not 514 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 5: charged with anything as we record this on Wednesday, January 515 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 5: twenty fourth, but the attorney is speaking on his behalf 516 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 5: I think more at least according to their story, more 517 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 5: as a formality to protect him, make sure there's an 518 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 5: attorney speaking rather than him speaking, because it is still 519 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 5: there's still an ongoing investigation, a death investigation, not a murder, 520 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 5: homicide or any of that investigation, just death investigation. And 521 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 5: again police still as of this day, Wednesday, January twenty fourth, 522 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 5: they do not suspect any foul play and the autopsy 523 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 5: is still being completed, so we still don't have any 524 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 5: official cause of death from a medical examiner that's been 525 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 5: released or anything like that. 526 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: And can we just mention I think this is super important. 527 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: Every time the idea of autopsy or forensics comes up 528 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: in these explorations, we have to acknowledge it is not 529 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: like the stuff you see on the so called copaganda. 530 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: It's not like what you would see on fiction shows 531 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 3: or even indeed in you know, feature length films. This 532 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: kind of stuff usually goes to a lab of very 533 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: hard working folks who are often overwhelmed and often have 534 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: a backlog of cases. So it is not necessarily conspiratorial 535 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: nor unusual that it would take it would take a 536 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: while to get autopsy results. 537 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed, Completely agreed, And it is thought that it 538 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 5: will take up to another two weeks from today as 539 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 5: we record, to receive that information. And really what's most 540 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 5: intriguing here would be the toxicology report, because questions have 541 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 5: surrounded like how do three grown men end up outside 542 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 5: and possibly freezing to death? 543 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 4: You know, you guys, are you guys watching the new 544 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 4: season A True Detective? 545 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: I love it, only seen the first episode thus far. 546 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 4: Well, then you know that it involves a bunch of 547 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 4: grown men that end up outside frozen to death under 548 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 4: dubious circumstances. That's how episode one ends. And you know, 549 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 4: I've only seen the next episode, of course, but uh 550 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 4: that that those are the questions that the true detectives 551 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 4: are asking, like what would cause someone to do this? 552 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 4: What would cause someone to because in the show they 553 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 4: don't have their clothes on either, and they're all in 554 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 4: this kind of huddled mass, horror, horrific huddled mass. But 555 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 4: that is I wonder what kind of questions the detectives 556 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 4: around this case are asking. 557 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 5: Well, there's there's a lot. So let's jump to some 558 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 5: writing by Malik Jackson for Fox four. I believe he 559 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 5: was reporting initially. His his reporting is shown up on 560 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 5: like NBC affiliates and all these other affiliates locally. But 561 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 5: Malik has written about this extensively and it's been picked 562 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 5: up by several other sources there locally. So let's let's 563 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 5: jump to his reporting out of Fox four. The article's title, 564 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 5: if you want to look it up, is details change Again. 565 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 5: Fifth friend speaks out after three men found dead at 566 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 5: k See home. 567 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: Fifth Friend. 568 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 5: Okay, so that same attorney Perserno said the last time 569 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 5: that willis the tenant who was also there saw the 570 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 5: three men was when they left the house and he 571 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 5: went to bed. But then Piserno confirmed to Fox four 572 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 5: on Monday, that's this past Monday, that a fifth person 573 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 5: was present, a fifth person in the house, and this 574 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 5: fifth person was there with the victims when he Willis 575 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 5: went to sleep, and at some point, according to Willis's attorney, 576 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 5: Willis got tired and went to sleep while they were 577 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 5: while those guys, the three guys and the fourth guy 578 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 5: were all hanging out, and as far as I know, 579 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 5: there was a couple other people in the house. 580 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 3: I also, I love the idea. Sorry, love is a 581 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 3: weird word to say, but it's it's fascinating to me, 582 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 3: the informality of the attorney saying hanging out. Do you 583 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: describe it? 584 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, But it gets weirder because then the next day 585 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 5: Paserno says, oh, no, I misspoke, sorry about that. Willis 586 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 5: actually says, my client says that he escorted the men 587 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 5: to the door, said goodbye, and then went back to 588 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 5: the couch and fell asleep. So like he said goodbye 589 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 5: to everybody out the front door. First it was, oh, 590 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 5: he went to bed while the guys were still hanging out, 591 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 5: and he thinks they probably left at some point then, No, 592 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 5: I let him out at some point and I went 593 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 5: to sleep. 594 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: But the fifth. 595 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 5: Person, who now has an attorney. There is a fifth 596 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 5: person who was there, speaking through an attorney, said, oh, no, 597 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 5: when I left, the three victims, the three people who 598 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 5: were found dead and Willis were still awake and out. Yes, 599 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 5: they were still awake when I left. He said he 600 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 5: got there around seven pm on that Sunday night. Right, 601 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 5: they were watching stuff. He was hanging out with four 602 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 5: others until midnight when he left. He also says that no, 603 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 5: they were watching Jeopardy and a Gentleman's Game. 604 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 3: Honestly, with the limited information we have in these updates, 605 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 3: we can't say the story seems to be evolving if 606 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 3: we want to be diplomatic right with freezing to death 607 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 3: and so on? Like, Also, also can you blame the 608 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 3: fifth person? Can you imagine, like what would happen if 609 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 3: you were from ordering up, you have some friends and 610 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 3: then you learned that three of those folks you hung 611 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 3: out with were dead. 612 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're saying for lawyering up right? You can? Can 613 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 4: you blame them? Right? 614 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 3: I mean? Also, could you blame the person for taking 615 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 3: a minute to reply? Right, they didn't come forward immediately, 616 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 3: is what I'm seeing, Matt. Is that great? 617 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 4: Well? Yes, And I was also going to add from 618 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 4: from the last time we talked about this, this the 619 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 4: original story was the dude whose house it was Willis right, Yes, 620 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 4: he had been contacted repeatedly by numerous folks and and 621 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 4: you know, to no avail and then just kind of 622 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 4: casually sauntered out at the end and when someone came 623 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 4: to his door, like with a beer in his hand 624 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 4: or something. 625 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: In boxing. 626 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 5: So, according to his attorney, Piserno, he has stated this 627 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 5: multiple times, the only messages Willis received were via Facebook 628 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 5: Messenger and he did not receive any text messages from 629 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 5: friends and family of the three victims or calls. But 630 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 5: then the attorney for Person number five, attorney named last 631 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 5: named t. A. L. G. E. Tale, is disputing that claim, 632 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 5: saying that his client, Person number five, received a text 633 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 5: message from Clayton mcgheiney's fiance, the person who ended up 634 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 5: discovering the bodies, and from Ricky Johnson's mother, who were 635 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 5: both asking, hey, where where are our loved ones? Right like, 636 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 5: where where's Ricky? Where's where's Clayton? And that person then 637 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 5: reached back out via those messages saying, well, they're at 638 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 5: the house. That's that's where they're we're hanging out the house. 639 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:58,959 Speaker 5: They're at the house. 640 00:37:59,760 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 4: Uh. 641 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 5: But then person number four, that attorney is saying no, 642 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 5: that never happened, and that kind of thing. So it's 643 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 5: just it's now he said, he said kind of thing. 644 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 5: It's very very strange, and it's also weird to see 645 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 5: right now both attorneys going on national news and local 646 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 5: news stating things, Yeah, as the police are attempting to 647 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 5: wrap up a quote death investigation. 648 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 4: SE's like a lot of people trying to cover their 649 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 4: own butts. 650 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 3: I think, so, well, that's how I mean, that's how 651 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: it happens, too, right, because people want an answer again, 652 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 3: there is there is a mystery here, and then the 653 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: absence of clear answers, speculation thrives. 654 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 4: And I'm going to say, devil worship. 655 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 3: I really appreciate that that you're pointing out. You know, 656 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of these a lot of 657 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 3: these things are just questions, ongoing investigations. No one has 658 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 3: been at this point accused of a crime to my knowledge. 659 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 5: No, No, the police haven't accused anybody. The families, of course, 660 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 5: think something horrible went down, right, So they just want 661 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 5: to know. They want to know the truth, and they 662 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 5: want justice if something did go down right, that is 663 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 5: punishable unless it was one weird, strange accident. That seems 664 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 5: unprecedented to me, But we have seen in the past 665 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 5: where maybe someone gets a little too intoxicated and wanders 666 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 5: outside and you know, falls asleep at some point in. 667 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: The cold and does freeze to death. 668 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 6: That can have three well, not just yellow pass like, 669 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 6: like just being a little intoxicated, even if you're kind 670 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 6: of bundled up, but you're a little too drunk and 671 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 6: you're hanging outside just chatting or. 672 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 4: Asleep, you feel falsely warm. Yeah, for sure. 673 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it can happen, is all I'm saying. It's just 674 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 5: strange that it happen to three people at the same 675 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 5: house while there's still people who are alive at that 676 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 5: house for several days before the police ever show up. 677 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 3: Within reach of shelter. 678 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think that whatever, if there were extracurricular 679 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 4: activities involved beyond drinking, that whatever those three men did, 680 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 4: the other two did as well, I think. And I 681 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 4: think that the dude whose home it was emerging kind of 682 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 4: bleary eyed after being unable to be reached for so long, 683 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 4: indicates that he was blacked out and he was in 684 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 4: some kind of stupor as well. You know, he just 685 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 4: had a warm bed to be in to. 686 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 3: Pass might explain the space in the reporting time. You know, 687 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a logical thing to ask, 688 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 3: even if we cannot prove it it is. 689 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 5: But according to the attorney, who again is speaking on 690 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 5: news interviews, is saying that his client works from home 691 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 5: and he just didn't notice he was going into his 692 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 5: office and working because right, this happened Sunday night. Then 693 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 5: wake up on Monday, go to work, wake up on Tuesday, 694 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 5: start work. 695 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 2: It's the show up. 696 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 4: But you know, you guys have been to my house, 697 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 4: Like I mean, if I had people over and we 698 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 4: were partying and stuff, and then everyone went on their 699 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 4: way and I maybe went down into my basement studio, 700 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 4: I wouldn't double check to make sure that they were 701 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 4: had had actually left. It wouldn't even occur to me 702 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 4: to do so. Let's also not entirely throw this to 703 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 4: under the bus. 704 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 3: Sure either, Sure would you say that you, on average 705 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 3: see your backyard more than once every seventy two hours. 706 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 4: Well, I'm saying people would have exited out of my 707 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 4: front door through my front yard if I had gone 708 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 4: down into the basement that I'm facing the opposite direction, 709 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 4: I have no view into that unless the ring camera 710 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 4: caught them. But that's only if they're right on the porch, 711 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 4: you know. I you know, I've never checked behind to 712 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 4: see if my guests had departed. You know, I'll check 713 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 4: in and make if there was drinking involved that I'm concerned, 714 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 4: and you know I would check in make sure they 715 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 4: got home safe. And of course I would never I 716 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 4: would always discourage people from driving, you know, intoxicated, But 717 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 4: I would have no view into that at all. 718 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 5: Well, right now there are no real answers. Captain Jake Betching, 719 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 5: I think, is how you would say that spoke with 720 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 5: Fox News Digital and said the incident is quote one 721 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 5: hundred percent not being investigated as a homicide. So there 722 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 5: we go. 723 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 4: Wow, pretty definitive. Yeah, so maybe it be wrongful death though, 724 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 4: could could that be a civil That would be a 725 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 4: different matter, wouldn't it If someone wanted to, you know, 726 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 4: take a civil case against this guy for negligence of 727 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 4: some kind. Perhaps he gave them bad drugs. Perhaps he 728 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. I mean, there's a millionaires, there. 729 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 3: Are a ton of possibilities. But I think the main 730 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 3: thing is we can we can hope that there will 731 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,919 Speaker 3: be uh, there will be results from a continuing investigation here, 732 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 3: because again one of the most important points we raised 733 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 3: in our previous conversation is that there are three kids 734 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 3: without a father. 735 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 5: Very much, guys, I'm going to do this really quick. 736 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 5: One other thing I had to mention for today, then 737 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 5: we'll get out of here. Boeing Boeing had another little incident, 738 00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 5: another oopsie, this time at Hartsfield Jackson. She's the Atlanta International. 739 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 3: Airport, busiest airport in the world. 740 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 5: I'm gonna play a tiny little snippet of some air 741 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 5: traffic control. It's gonna be the tiniest snippet ever. Just 742 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 5: let's just listen to this real quick. 743 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 2: Here it goes nine two. 744 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 3: This is the aircraft looking at you. One of your 745 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 3: nose tires just came off. It just rolled off the 746 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 3: runway behind you. 747 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. 748 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 5: And just for some context there, that air traffic control 749 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 5: comes from an incident where a seven forty seven plane 750 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 5: was literally taxiing to be the next flight, the next 751 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 5: plane that takes off on the runway, and the plane 752 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 5: behind it happened to notice that one of the wheels 753 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 5: on the front of the plane just kind of flew 754 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 5: off and went down the opposite direction on the runway. 755 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 3: That plane for planes, right. 756 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, just a heads up everybody. 757 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 2: That happened. And it's so funny. 758 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 5: There's a southwest plane that's like three or four planes 759 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 5: behind all the other ones in line to take off, 760 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 5: and and you know, air traffic and this plane as 761 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 5: well as the observer all like trying to figure out, Okay, 762 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 5: what's the best course of action. We probably need to 763 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 5: get you towed off of this runway. We'll need to 764 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 5: get you to a delta, you know, area to have 765 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 5: the plane inspected and all this stuff. And in the 766 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 5: Southwest play it is just like, hey, so are you 767 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 5: gonna move us to a different lane? Looks like this 768 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 5: is gonna take a while, and air traffic is just like, yeah, 769 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 5: it's gonna take a minute. 770 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 4: Hold up. 771 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 2: It's just so funny to hear. 772 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 5: Maybe almost it's not that informal the way I'm saying it, 773 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 5: but it feels that informal. I guess in the colms 774 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 5: like a parent talking to the children. 775 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 2: In some way. It was amusing to me. 776 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 3: We all have to collectively keep an eye on technology, right. 777 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 3: Also shout out to the folks who were riding in 778 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 3: a Tesla that appear to detect ghosts in a graveyard. 779 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if we're gonna play a clip for 780 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,799 Speaker 3: that one, but they definitely are screaming in the car. 781 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 5: Do either of you have a backup on your cars? 782 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 3: Yes? 783 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 5: Okay, so I just got one of those with my 784 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 5: the latest vehicle that I've gotten, And if there is 785 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 5: any obstruction or even strange lines on the road, it 786 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 5: gives me a warning that there's a person behind me. 787 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 5: And I just wonder if there's some kind of detection 788 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 5: like that with Tesla's going on where it's just a 789 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 5: slight pattern or something that it's picking up and it 790 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 5: just outlines a person, because isn't that what the Tesla 791 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 5: one does? It like shows oh there's a person right there. 792 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's actually let's actually play a clip. So there's 793 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 3: three people who are screaming as they're looking at that, 794 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 3: uh that kind of heads up displayed that a tesla 795 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 3: has and they see figures multiplying on the screen, and 796 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 3: the guy who's driving is a Tesla employee. 797 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 2: Wow, and so. 798 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 5: Aren't they driving through a graveyard too? 799 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? 800 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah again, and then these figures appear to pop up. 801 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 3: But maybe it's just the censors, like you're mentioning, misreading 802 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 3: or maybe even airing on the side of caution because 803 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 3: you don't want you don't want your you don't want 804 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 3: your camera or your sensors to be in the news. 805 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 3: As the device that said, here's a tree, but it 806 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 3: was a human child, you know. 807 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 2: Either way, don't hit it, don't hit it. 808 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 3: Just try not to hit things. 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