WEBVTT - $150 Oil Becomes Possible, Solar Eclipse Power Shift, Bankers Leaving London

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Daybreak Europe podcast. Good morning, It's Wednesday, the twelfth of August.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Stephen Carroll in London. Coming up today the one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty dollars oil risk. Doubts over a Hormoes

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<v Speaker 1>deal push crude hire as Bloomberg Intelligence says a frozen

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<v Speaker 1>conflict piles more pressure on prices. Europe's solar aligned power

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<v Speaker 1>system braces for today's solar eclipse. Plus London's white collar exodus.

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<v Speaker 1>Why ninety thousand bankers, lawyers and other professionals could be

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the UK capital in the coming years. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with the roundup of our top stories. Oil prices are

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to grind higher. A skepticism grows over the prospects

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<v Speaker 1>for a deal to restore energy flows through the Strait

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<v Speaker 1>of Hormuz. Brett Cruise now trading above eighty nine dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a barrel after jumping by around twelve percent over the

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<v Speaker 1>past five sessions. Bloomberg Intelligence says a frozen US eround

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<v Speaker 1>conflict is now the most plausible scenario. It warrants that

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<v Speaker 1>that could push oil into a range of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel, with the

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<v Speaker 1>upper end becoming increasingly possible as market buffers road No

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<v Speaker 1>i'm ray Dan is a senior fellow at the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Institute for Near East Policy.

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<v Speaker 2>It is unlikely that we're going to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the maritime arrangement that existed in the Strait of Home

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<v Speaker 2>was before the Iran War. Iran has gained immense influence

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<v Speaker 2>in the street. It will not let go of this

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<v Speaker 2>leverage it has obtained easily.

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<v Speaker 1>No i'm ray Dan's assessment comes as the latest US

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<v Speaker 1>government forecast for oil supply disruption from the war to

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<v Speaker 1>reach about six hundred thousand barrels a day until the

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<v Speaker 1>end of next year. Adding to the squeeze rushes overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>cruise shipments have fallen to their lowest since May, and

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<v Speaker 1>it continued Ukrainian strikes from its oil infrastructure. Keith had

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<v Speaker 1>five Russian refineries in the first week of August and

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<v Speaker 1>another two in recent days. With the rise in oil

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<v Speaker 1>prices comes as the US and both appear to be

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<v Speaker 1>hardening their positions in negotiations over the Straight OFFEMUS. That's

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<v Speaker 1>despite Pakistan's defense ministers, saying the two countries are close

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<v Speaker 1>to some sort of arrangement. Former US Deputy Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>State Wendy Sherman is more skeptical.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I did share Pakistan's optimism, and I will

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<v Speaker 3>hope that there is more reality to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Than I think there is.

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<v Speaker 4>We are definitely out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of stalemate, Wendy Sherman speaking there. Her view comes as

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump told reporters last night that he's in no

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<v Speaker 1>rush to secure a deal and that the US is

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<v Speaker 1>in a very good position along the conflict continues could

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<v Speaker 1>also matter for the FED, with the Iran war adding

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<v Speaker 1>to inflation pressures. Ahead of crucial US inflation data later today,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Fed President Susan Collins has told The Financial Times

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<v Speaker 1>she could back a September rate ike if the data dictates,

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<v Speaker 1>warning inflation remains too high. A split between the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and Japan over Bank of Japan policy risks undermining

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<v Speaker 1>their joint efforts to support the en. Japan's Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Sanae Atakichi is wary of raising interest rates too high,

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<v Speaker 1>too fast, while US Treasury Secretary's got bestnces monetary tightening

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<v Speaker 1>is crucial to supporting the currency. The EN has already

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<v Speaker 1>given back some of the gains from the first coordinated

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<v Speaker 1>US Japan intervention since nineteen ninety eight. Our Market's Live streates,

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<v Speaker 1>as Mark Cranfield says, the boj's next move will be crucial, So.

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<v Speaker 5>The BOJ speakers will really have a big sway on

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<v Speaker 5>whether or not people get serious about a September rate hike.

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<v Speaker 5>But it probably needs September and October to come back

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<v Speaker 5>to back for people to really get behind the.

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<v Speaker 1>In in Spoomberg's Mark Cranfield expectations are building for another

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<v Speaker 1>BOJ rate hike in September or October. Is the EN

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<v Speaker 1>again near one sixty to the dollar? Core We've shares

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<v Speaker 1>have surged after booming AI demand bolstered the company's sales growth.

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<v Speaker 1>The computing provider raised its outlook to a range of

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<v Speaker 1>twelve point four billion dollars to thirteen point two billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for the full year after revenue more than doubled

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<v Speaker 1>in the second quarter. Galoria, head of technology research at

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<v Speaker 1>DA Davidson, says the results are an encouraging step for

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<v Speaker 1>the firm.

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<v Speaker 4>It's incrementally positive.

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<v Speaker 6>There is still a really big question about whether we

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<v Speaker 6>even need neo clouds Whether they're a good business. At

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<v Speaker 6>the base of it is are they getting a good

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<v Speaker 6>enough return on investment to pay for the very expensive

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<v Speaker 6>capital that they have to borrow? And I think that

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<v Speaker 6>what investors are seeing today they took a small step

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<v Speaker 6>in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Ja Davidson's Gloria There Core We've shares rose by more

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<v Speaker 1>than fifteen percent, and after hours trading after the report

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<v Speaker 1>was released, they had been up twenty six percent this

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<v Speaker 1>year through the close. The business, which serves customers like OpenAI,

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<v Speaker 1>Meta and Microsoft, has borrowed tens of billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and is spending heavily on AI chips and data centers

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<v Speaker 1>to meet demand. A German airport has been disrupted by

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<v Speaker 1>a rogue drone, adding to a string of recent incidents.

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<v Speaker 1>Overs Regional Airport was closed for two hours yesterday morning

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<v Speaker 1>after a drone was sighted. Germany's airports have been plagued

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<v Speaker 1>by a series of such events, with one device laden

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<v Speaker 1>with explosives found near a Ukrainian plane last week. Dershpiegel

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<v Speaker 1>has reported that an internal police report isn't ruling out

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<v Speaker 1>foreign involvement. Europe's power grades are preparing for a rare

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<v Speaker 1>solar eclipse later today, which will temporarily cut generation across

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<v Speaker 1>the continent. If skies are clear, solar output good fall

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<v Speaker 1>by about nine point seven gigawatts, with gas, hydroelectric and

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear generation available to cover the shortfall. But for most

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<v Speaker 1>of us, the eclipse will be less about managing power

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<v Speaker 1>supplies and more about the spectacle. Stephen Price, chair of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bristol Astronomical Society, describes what might be in store.

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<v Speaker 7>The light goes dim, silvery kind of a light, not

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<v Speaker 7>like a sunset or sunrise, quite different. Temmet dropped very slightly,

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<v Speaker 7>and also the birds of their singing, they stopped singing.

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<v Speaker 4>So the effect on the crowd is one really all.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Price on the eclipse which will fully cover the

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<v Speaker 1>sun in northern Spain and Iceland. In the UK, about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six percent of the sun will be covered by

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<v Speaker 1>the moon in parts of Cornwall. And those are your

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<v Speaker 1>top stories on the markets this morning. The Mscish Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>Index up by seven tenths of one percent. We have

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<v Speaker 1>got the Cospian sold by three point six percent as well,

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<v Speaker 1>a boosts to s k Heinex and Samsung Electronics shares.

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<v Speaker 1>Eurostok's fifty features are down by a tenth of one

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<v Speaker 1>percent this morning. Forty one hundred fatures are two tenths lower.

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<v Speaker 1>Oil prices eighty nine dollars fifty one for Brent crude

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<v Speaker 1>higher on the day. Natural gas prices arising as well,

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<v Speaker 1>although lower than where they were this time yesterday. The

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<v Speaker 1>Dutch GTF bench markup by one point eight percent, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese NIST training at one hundred and fifty nine

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<v Speaker 1>forty three against the dollar. Well in a moment will

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<v Speaker 1>bring you more on those oil prices grinding higher, plus

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<v Speaker 1>y recruiters see thousands of lawyer and banker jobs moving

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<v Speaker 1>out of London. But another story that caught her eye

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<v Speaker 1>this morning on how best to measure the weakness of

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<v Speaker 1>the en, andnother story that we've been tracking on markets

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Move over the Big Mac index, you now

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<v Speaker 1>need the Katsu Curry Index. Luckily Jeff You from bny

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<v Speaker 1>Mel and a regular here in Boomberg Radio, has created it.

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<v Speaker 1>He argues the index it's a better international price comparison

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<v Speaker 1>for how the retreat of the yen feels in Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's trading, as we said, just close to a one

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty against the dollar, not quite there this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're reflected in purchasing power of curry dishes,

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<v Speaker 1>by Jeff's measure of the dollar should buy just around

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two yen. That suggests the foreign exchange market significantly

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<v Speaker 1>undervaluing the currency. If he used the Big Mac Index,

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<v Speaker 1>it's around eighty yen now. He uses prices and data

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<v Speaker 1>from the world's biggest curry rice chain, coco Ichibanya for

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<v Speaker 1>his measurements. He says that if the price of a

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<v Speaker 1>katsu curry or a bowl of raman becomes prohibitive in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>it will probably lead to growing calls for a policy change,

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<v Speaker 1>and if the goal is to bring purchasing power in

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<v Speaker 1>line with high income countries, the index shows that the

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<v Speaker 1>en needs to be a lot stronger. Great trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be thinking about kats who curry. I got to visit

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite places for it in London yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten of cats who near Angel In case you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a recommendation, I've also had the Toyota curry at the

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<v Speaker 1>Toyota factory in Nagoya, which where the rice comes in

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<v Speaker 1>the shape of a car. So those are my my

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<v Speaker 1>Katsu curry facts for you this morning. Let's bring you

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<v Speaker 1>more now on the pressure on oil prices. As the

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<v Speaker 1>global benchmark Brent crude hovers close to ninety dollars a barrel,

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<v Speaker 1>or oil trading reporter Wrongway now joins us now for

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<v Speaker 1>more Wrongway, we've seen Brent gain some twelve percent over

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<v Speaker 1>the past five seconds. What does this tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>how traders are reading the latest Iran war headlines? This

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<v Speaker 1>has been burg intelligence. Now these price is going as

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<v Speaker 1>high as one hundred and fifty dollars is being increasingly plausible.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, So the current brand prices is essentially a very

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<v Speaker 8>clear reflection of how the markets, how trade us are

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<v Speaker 8>actually digesting and viewing the disruption at the Street of

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<v Speaker 8>moves as a result of this conflict. Now, like you

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<v Speaker 8>rightfully mentioned, Brent has climbed to above around ninety dollars

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<v Speaker 8>a barrel, and it's the six consecutive day of gains.

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<v Speaker 8>And that comes even as oil prices have been reacting

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<v Speaker 8>to headlines in the past couple of days, and we

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<v Speaker 8>are constantly flip flopping between signs of optimism as well

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<v Speaker 8>as signs of perhaps increasing signs of risks. That shows

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<v Speaker 8>that perhaps the conflict could be on track for escalation.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's just take this morning, for instance, the market here

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<v Speaker 8>in Asia opened on comments from Pakistan that both sides

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<v Speaker 8>are close to some sort of arrangement to work out

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<v Speaker 8>a deal, and Trump's comments latest comments quickly switched out

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<v Speaker 8>such optimism or such hopes with comments like we totally

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<v Speaker 8>control hormus and other comments, including the fact that he

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<v Speaker 8>is saying that he still doesn't trust Iran. Now, primarily

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<v Speaker 8>this price rareue, we're saying it's still being driven by

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<v Speaker 8>supply risk sentiments.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really not a demand story.

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<v Speaker 8>Everything that's happening at the street, it's all about supply.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's take the latest estimates from the USIE, for instance,

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<v Speaker 8>they're estimating that the homeless disruptions is probably it's affecting

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<v Speaker 8>about roughly six hundred thousand barrels per day, and they

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<v Speaker 8>expect such disruptions or rather such an impact oil flows

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<v Speaker 8>tour possist through and twenty twenty seven, and pretty much

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<v Speaker 8>the testament to the fact that how this conflict could

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<v Speaker 8>result in lasting I would say, lasting impacts or damages

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<v Speaker 8>to the oil market or the oil landscape as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it does really complicate the situation and

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<v Speaker 1>as you say, the hardening rhetoric from the US and

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<v Speaker 1>around doesn't give any great optimism that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see an increase in traffic de the Strait of Hormones.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is exactly happening in that waterway today? And also,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we're watching the moves in the Red Sea

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, maybe let's talk about the Strait of Hormones since

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<v Speaker 8>it was the first waterway that was effectively largely affected

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<v Speaker 8>during the onset of this conflict earlier this year. So

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<v Speaker 8>as of now, the Street of Hormones, it remains effectively

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<v Speaker 8>close to normal commercial traffic. But of course, like what

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<v Speaker 8>we have talked about earlier in the program, when there's

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<v Speaker 8>money to be made, there will be actors who are

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<v Speaker 8>willing to take the risk and allow some flows to

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<v Speaker 8>work out and of course earn a quick but through

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<v Speaker 8>of course mediating or arranging for the use to allow

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<v Speaker 8>some of these barrels of oil to continue exiting the Gulf.

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<v Speaker 8>And of course that also includes other OPEC producers like

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<v Speaker 8>what we've mentioned earlier, such as Saudi Arabia UAE.

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<v Speaker 4>With various forms of workarounds.

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<v Speaker 8>So essentially, even though traffic has been I would say,

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<v Speaker 8>by and large, commercial traffic through the Strait of Hormones

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<v Speaker 8>is still officially close because of the risks of attacks

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<v Speaker 8>to tankers as a result of this conflict, that is

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<v Speaker 8>still in flux, but there will be actors, there will

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<v Speaker 8>be tankers that would be willing to take the risk

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<v Speaker 8>for the chance to earn higher profits during the war,

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<v Speaker 8>and that as a result has helped to cap some

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<v Speaker 8>of the gains in oil. So if we recall much

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<v Speaker 8>earlier in the conflict, much perhaps in the first month

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<v Speaker 8>of the war, we have seen prices very often breaking

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<v Speaker 8>past one hundred dollars mark, and as the conflicts, as

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<v Speaker 8>the conflict continues to persist, more and more players have

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<v Speaker 8>started to adapt to this. We can essentially call this

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<v Speaker 8>a new normal, and they started the price in various

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<v Speaker 8>factors such as additional vessels required to do ship the

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<v Speaker 8>ship transfers to allow the safe passage of oil or

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<v Speaker 8>oil barrows to be brought out from the Gulf, as

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<v Speaker 8>well as many various other workarounds such as pipelines and

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<v Speaker 8>all these various avenues are being tapped on as the

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<v Speaker 8>conflict continues to persist, and that has kind of helped

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<v Speaker 8>put a cap on the oil prize gains. Of course,

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<v Speaker 8>the second waterway they gonna be talking about the rat

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<v Speaker 8>Sea route. Uh, the risks that occurred in that waterway,

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<v Speaker 8>it's far more I would say, it's a bit more

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<v Speaker 8>recent compared to the Strait of Hormos.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of like a recent development.

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<v Speaker 8>In the past month or so, we have seen perhaps

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of we'll see the treads from Hooties.

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<v Speaker 4>UH that has threatened that this root. And what's important

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<v Speaker 4>about the rad Sea root is that it's UH.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a very important waterway for players such as Saudi

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<v Speaker 8>Arabia to draw out oil through the state pipeline we

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<v Speaker 8>talked about earlier. So the oil that cannot come out

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<v Speaker 8>through the Strait of Hormones, some of them it's been

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<v Speaker 8>routed through a pipeline over to a pod that can

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<v Speaker 8>be removed and transit through the raat Sea and continue

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<v Speaker 8>to be brought to its bias in Asia. And when

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<v Speaker 8>the Hooties threatened, that essentially clipped, uh, I would say,

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<v Speaker 8>partially clipped the wings of Saudi's but very quickly, like

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<v Speaker 8>I mentioned earlier, the market continuously looks to adapt.

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<v Speaker 4>And very quickly we have seen.

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<v Speaker 8>A third workaround through Egypt that was being touted, and

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<v Speaker 8>it seems like it's going to be a vicious cycle.

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<v Speaker 8>If more routes are being threatened, oil producers will be

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<v Speaker 8>incentivized to look for more solutions and continue, allowing some

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<v Speaker 8>flows to take place. Of course, if you take a

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<v Speaker 8>step back, by and large, despite all these workarounds, oil

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<v Speaker 8>flows are largely curtailed as a result of this war.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, another big factor that's affecting the markets

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<v Speaker 1>too is what's happening in the war in Ukraine and

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine's attacks on Russian energy infrastructure as well, particularly oil refineries.

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<v Speaker 1>How is that affecting global markets.

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<v Speaker 8>It's pretty much if you view both conflicts together, it's

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<v Speaker 8>essentially a double whammy. But I would say the specifics

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<v Speaker 8>of the markets or the segments of the markets being affected,

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<v Speaker 8>it's kind of different. So when we talked about the

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<v Speaker 8>earlier US irun con flick, it was very much a

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<v Speaker 8>cold oil story, and much of the flows being impacted

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<v Speaker 8>would be oil being produced in the Middle East coming

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<v Speaker 8>out to major buyers such as those in Asia. However,

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<v Speaker 8>when we look at the Russian story, a lot more

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<v Speaker 8>of the beneficiaries of Russian oil products would be found

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<v Speaker 8>actually in Europe and as a result already I would

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<v Speaker 8>say it's on the west of Swiss and of course

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<v Speaker 8>with the recent attacks, which of course have been scaling

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<v Speaker 8>up in the recent weeks as well, that has largely

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<v Speaker 8>impacted the markets for oil products such as gas oil

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<v Speaker 8>and gasoline. This damage is actually pretty severe in the

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<v Speaker 8>recent weeks. Let's take the most recent example for instance,

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<v Speaker 8>it is the damage is so severe that Russia, one

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<v Speaker 8>of the major oil product producers, it has actually begun

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<v Speaker 8>starting to import oil products like gasoline from producers like India,

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<v Speaker 8>and based on our reporting, this has happened for the

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<v Speaker 8>first time ever. It's really a clar cut example of

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<v Speaker 8>how desperate things are for Russian for the Russian producers,

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<v Speaker 8>that a producing nation is actually resulting to importing from

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<v Speaker 8>other producers. And that is pretty much the clearest sign

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<v Speaker 8>of the damaged the extent of damage that Russia has

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<v Speaker 8>of taken as a result of these cumulative strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as you say, compounding these issues in these

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<v Speaker 1>two conflicts. Wrong Way Now or Oil Trading Reporter, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much for bringing us through the details of

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<v Speaker 1>all of those trands that are pushing oil prices higher.

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<v Speaker 1>As we're watching brank crude approach that ninety dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>barrel mark. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Daybreak Europe

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<v Speaker 1>coming up after this. Now in the UK, the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister's push to drive economic growth in areas outside of

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<v Speaker 1>London could see some ninety thousand jobs move away from

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<v Speaker 1>the capital over the next five years. For more details

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<v Speaker 1>on the analysis and the recruitment firm, Robert Walters our

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<v Speaker 1>UKA Politics. James Wilcock is with me now.

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<v Speaker 4>James.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, what does the data from Robert Walter's show.

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<v Speaker 9>So Steven Robert Walters are projecting these jobs are going

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<v Speaker 9>to be going to the likes of Manchester, the Midlands

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<v Speaker 9>and New Yorkshire. Now they put us down to a

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<v Speaker 9>number of reasons. It's really expensive to live in London

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<v Speaker 9>and so working from home means shifting outside London makes

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of sense for some people. If you look

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<v Speaker 9>at like Deloitte Goldman in the Bank of England, a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of big organizations have already pre Andy Burnham been

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<v Speaker 9>setting up offices outside of London. And then it has

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<v Speaker 9>to be said they say that Andy Burnham's agenda and

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<v Speaker 9>helping to rebounce power away from London is going to

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<v Speaker 9>play a big factor.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 9>Look, it's important to note that London is colossal. Four

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<v Speaker 9>point nine million people are employed living in Greater London,

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<v Speaker 9>so ninety thousand versus four point nine million, it's still

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<v Speaker 9>less than two percent moving out. But last year was

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<v Speaker 9>the first year the city's population fell since the nineteen

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<v Speaker 9>eighties barring the pandemic, and so there is it seems

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<v Speaker 9>a bit of a trend to moving income, commerce, productivity

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<v Speaker 9>outside of London. One caveat I will say, though, in

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<v Speaker 9>sort of Robert Walters's report is they say that senior

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<v Speaker 9>managers are still sticking around the capitol. It's often the

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<v Speaker 9>junior staff who are being hired elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So where it is likely to benefit then from these

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<v Speaker 1>jobs moving And what does it mean for the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister's ambition for growth in every postcode.

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<v Speaker 9>I think one thing that's going to be quite interesting

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<v Speaker 9>to watch play out is all cities is areas. There

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<v Speaker 9>are big transport links to the areas where you can

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<v Speaker 9>still have kind of large agglomeration effects. And in terms

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<v Speaker 9>of this idea of growth in every postcode, Robert Walters

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<v Speaker 9>do expect that say nine billion pounds or so of

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<v Speaker 9>employers spending are going to be moving these regional areas

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<v Speaker 9>like Manchester and Leeds and Birmingham all over the next

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<v Speaker 9>five years. Now this is interesting because although we haven't

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<v Speaker 9>yet seen the detail of what is in this devolution

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<v Speaker 9>agenda that's supposed to come an autumn in a white paper,

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<v Speaker 9>the big flagship promise is that a mayors are going

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<v Speaker 9>to get shares of local income tax and business rates.

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<v Speaker 9>And this is important because the UK is one of

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<v Speaker 9>the most fisically centralized countries in the OECD. Only five

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<v Speaker 9>percent of taxes and twenty percent of spendingcases are controlled locally,

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<v Speaker 9>and so if mayors have more money to play with,

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<v Speaker 9>they are incentivized to grow more and therefore they get

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<v Speaker 9>a bigger take of the sort of tax. So the

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<v Speaker 9>idea behind a lot of this is you can therefore

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<v Speaker 9>incentivize growth. Some of the problems even with this, how

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<v Speaker 9>quickly is it all going to come about? I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>currently mayors have two percent of all the staff in

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<v Speaker 9>Whitehall and less than one percent of all of Whitehall's budget.

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<v Speaker 9>By law, they are only allocated one political advisor per mayor.

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<v Speaker 9>So the idea that they are going to be given

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<v Speaker 9>loads of resources sture. Some mayors will do very well,

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<v Speaker 9>some mayors will do very badly. And they'll be regions

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<v Speaker 9>that do well and there'll be some regions that do badly.

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<v Speaker 9>How does the state then equalize that for poorer areas.

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<v Speaker 9>These are all sort of the nitty gritty details that

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<v Speaker 9>we are yet to see from this government. But you know,

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<v Speaker 9>the idea and the idea of some jobs moving is

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<v Speaker 9>certainly I promise someone.

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<v Speaker 1>What does all of this then mean for London, which

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<v Speaker 1>is still the economic engine of the UK.

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<v Speaker 9>Right and that is going to change any big way soon.

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<v Speaker 9>I think one thing that's interesting to note when we

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<v Speaker 9>come back to this recruitment data is smaller and mid

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<v Speaker 9>sized businesses, the kind of new startups that the UK

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<v Speaker 9>prize itself.

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<v Speaker 4>They're now being started elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 9>The costs of doing business are much much much higher

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<v Speaker 9>in London, and so London has the big giants playing

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<v Speaker 9>in And if you've listened to Chancellor John Healey recently,

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<v Speaker 9>the cost of doing business is one of his new

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<v Speaker 9>favorite phrases and one we're likely to hear a lot

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<v Speaker 9>more about how that impacts London is although London is

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<v Speaker 9>still going to be seen as this big growth engine

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of the UK policy makers now are very

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<v Speaker 9>much invested in creating other growth engines around the UK.

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<v Speaker 9>In the long run, that will be better for London

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<v Speaker 9>because it will be and there are many different places

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<v Speaker 9>where growth is coming from, where taxes are coming from.

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<v Speaker 9>In the short run, so much wealth is based in

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<v Speaker 9>London that it is going to mean that London is

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<v Speaker 9>the obvious target for any kind of big tax raising

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<v Speaker 9>measures or other ways to raise revenue to get these

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<v Speaker 9>other councils, these other malities going.

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