1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: How are you, Jonathan. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: It's a new season of Heavyweight, and I was thinking 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: at the beginning of every episode we can have a 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: little medical corner where we get health tips from doctor 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: Jackie Cohen. I have a medical question for you. Do 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: you say the big toe or do you say the 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: great toe? In a medical situation? If someone came into 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: the er and their foot was broken to bring a 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: smile to their face, would you refer to their pinky 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: toe as the little piggy? If their foot had just 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: gotten run over by a truck, would you and you 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: were like examining all their toes, would you say, oh, 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: it is the little piggy? 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Okay? 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: Would you do that? How are you employed? From Gimblet Media. 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight Today's episode Jimmy 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: and Mark. There were a couple of days in nineteen 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: seventy four that Jonathan Marshall can't stop thinking about. They 19 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: involve a bicycle and a crazy idea, his dad's crazy idea. 20 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: Jonathan says there are two important things to know about 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: his dad. The first is that he was a salesman, 22 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: and according to Jonathan, he could be pretty persuasive. 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: When I was twelve, I bought my first car. What 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: because my father thought it was a good idea. So 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: he convinced me with my lawn raking money to buy 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: a car and then work on that car for three 27 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: years until I could drive it. 28 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: Wait is it twelve year old even allowed to buy 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: a car. 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: Well, you can buy a car, you just can't drive 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: it legally. 32 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: The second thing to know is that Jonathan's dad was 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: a seventies kind of guy. 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 3: He had the wide ties, he had the lapels, he 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: had platform shoes, Syburns tried to get a perm once. 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: Was he kind of like a Kung Fu aftershave kind 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: of guy? Or that was an old spice guy, old 38 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: spice slap on some old spice. 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, my dad was a 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: groovy guy. 41 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: Ah. 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: The seventies, the nineteen seventies, all of us crying out 43 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: dinomys when life was good, and I am not a 44 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: crook when life was bad, pet rocks, mood rings, and 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: cool open collared dads. In the nineteen seventies, there was 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: nothing cooler than a cool dad, and Jonathan Marshall's dad 47 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: was the coolest. 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: He was the father that on a hot summer night 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: would go, hey, Ji, how many of your friends want 50 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: to go get ice cream? And we had a van, 51 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: so however many kids could get in a van would 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: go get ice cream with my. 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: Father, all those unseat belted kids banging around in the 54 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: back of the van like bingo balls. But even though 55 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: it was the nineteen seventies, a decade during which my 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: own father once used my shoe as an astray at 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: a garden party, Jonathan Marshall's father was about to set 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: a whole new standard. Jonathan was only ten years old 59 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: when his father took him aside to pitch him on 60 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: his craziest idea yet. 61 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: My father said, hey, you know what if you rode 62 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: your bike to. 63 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: Vermont, That is, why don't you pedal your child's sized 64 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: bicycle two hundred and forty miles all alone, over the 65 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: Adirondack Mountains, over the Green Mountains, across Lake Champlain to 66 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: your uncle Herb's house in New And how long were 67 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: you anticipating the trip would take three days in three days, 68 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: so you would be going like eighty odd miles a day. 69 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was the idea. No adult supervision, none 70 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: coins for pay phones, because that's how you used to 71 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: make calls back in those days. 72 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: So you were just completely on your own. Yeah, when 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: your dad proposed to you this, you know, two hundred 74 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: and fifty mile trip, did you did you really have 75 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: a sense of what that meant? 76 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: None? Absolutely none. 77 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: As a parent, the entire plan makes me shudder. But 78 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: as a ten year old, it would have felt like 79 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: a dream come true. When I was out riding, I 80 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: could pretend that I was an orphan, I could pretend 81 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: that I was free. But how free could you really 82 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: feel when you were expected home for dinner? And Marshall 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: wouldn't have to pretend he was free, He would be free, 84 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: dangerously free. Jonathan's best friend at the time, a season 85 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: thirteen year old named John, lived down the street. Jonathan 86 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: asked him to come along, and John's parents, over what 87 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: I can only imagine to be a dinner of jello 88 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: salad shrouded and smoke rings, agreed to let John go. 89 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: He was a little bit of a badass. You know, 90 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: we'd go out in the woods and start a fire. 91 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: You know, we'd go do stupid stuff, right, and so 92 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: he seemed like a great partner in this. Okay, we're 93 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: going to ride our. 94 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: Bikes the two best friends spent the next few weeks preparing. 95 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: They poured over maps and planned their adventure. They gathered 96 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: the supplies they'd need, ponchos, bike tools, forty bucks in cash, 97 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: and the food they bring slim jims and cupso soup. 98 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: Everything was perfect. But then Jimmy and his little brother 99 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: Mark showed. 100 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: Up about a week before the trip started. This these 101 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: two guys, Jimmy and Mark, the names coming back to me. 102 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: I barely knew them, and they were sent by their 103 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: parents to live with us for a month. 104 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: Jimmy and Mark arrived all alone on a Greyhound bus 105 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: from Long Island. Jimmy was twelve, Mark just eleven. Their 106 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: family had met Jonathan's family at a resort a couple 107 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: summers earlier, but Jonathan hadn't thought of the brother since 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: now here they were standing at his door, adult sized 109 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: luggage clutched in their hands. Jonathan had no idea why 110 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: they were there. 111 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: I remember asking my mom, well, what are we going 112 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: to do with Jimmy and Mark when John and I 113 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: ride our bikes to Vermont, and my mom's response was, oh, well, 114 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: they'll go with you. Initially I was resentful because it 115 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: was what do you mean they're going with us? You know, 116 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: I've been planning this. We don't even know if they 117 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: know how to ride bikes. They're from Long Island, wherever 118 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: that's from. But at ten years old, I certainly didn't 119 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: say no to my mother, and so they were going 120 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: on the trip because mom said they were going on 121 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 3: the trip. 122 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: And so one August morning, before the sun had risen, 123 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: the two best friends, Jonathan and John, and the two 124 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: mysterious brothers Jimmy and Mark all set off. 125 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: Day one is really a recollection of hitting the Adirondacks 126 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: and starting to just have to go uphill a lot. 127 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: But uphill battles are worth the fight when you're a 128 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: young boy on a bike and the day's destination is 129 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: a hotel room that your dad booked for you at 130 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: the happiest most men place on Earth. 131 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: Frontier Town. It was a little fantasy land of the 132 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: Old West. It had a jail, a saloon, a big 133 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: square that was you know, do you know Frontier Town? 134 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 5: Oh? 135 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Frontier Town was a family owned Old Western theme 136 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: park and as a kid, I'd see commercials for it 137 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: on TV. Please can we go? I'd beg my parents 138 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: and my father a decidedly uncool. Seventies Dad would tell 139 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: me that he didn't need his son getting trampled by 140 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: wild donkeys. 141 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: I remember they had a dunking machine, and that was 142 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: a thrill for a kid. 143 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: As Jonathan tells me about stepping foot into the Frontier 144 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: Town hotel after a long, hard day of peddling, the 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: ten year old in me is jealous, but the adult 146 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: in me knows that jonathan accommodations couldn't have been that great, 147 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, Frontier Town was 148 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: probably nothing more than a roadside motel with cowboy hats. 149 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: No my recollections the hotel rooms were as cool as 150 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: Frontier Town because everything seemed to be made out of logs. 151 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: My god, I could have slept on a bed with 152 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: a wagon wheel headboard. Ten year old me and adult 153 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: me are in complete agreement. We've wasted our lives. Jonathan 154 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: and John crawled into one double bed, Jimmy and Mark 155 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: into the other. Exhausted, they all fell asleep almost immediately. 156 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 3: When we woke up, it was raining. It rained all day, 157 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: It was gray, it was cold, it was nasty, and 158 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 3: we got three flat tires that day, And. 159 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: For day two was to catch the ferry across Lake Champlain, 160 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: but of the many things they packed, no one had 161 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: thought to bring a watch. When they reached the dock, 162 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: the very last ferry of the day was about to 163 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: set sail. 164 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: We went down the ramp yelling. We were yelling and waving, 165 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: and we're like, no, no, stop, stop, stop, and the 166 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: guy waited to bless his heart. 167 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: By the time they got off the ferry, they were soaking, 168 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: wet and hungry. What did you do for dinner? 169 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: I remember distinctly. We went to A and W. I 170 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: remember John took off his shoes and it was the 171 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: worst smell I've ever smelled in my life, And to 172 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: this day I still remember that horrible, horrible, horrible smell 173 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: of wet construction boots that had been soaked through an 174 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: A and W food. 175 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: What to a bunch of ten year olds who have 176 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: been bicycling in the rain all day order at an 177 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: A and. 178 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: W everything everything we could think of, you know, A 179 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 3: multiple bird, multiple shakes, hot dogs, fries. Yeah, it was. 180 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 5: It was. 181 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: It was a feast and it was some of the 182 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: best food I ever had. 183 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: Was there a point at which like it stopped feeling 184 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: like a kind of Fun Boys Adventure, you know, and 185 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: felt like suddenly you were like in a World War 186 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: One film. Day three after the break, Day three and 187 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: all the days since. When the boys woke up, they 188 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: were still a full day's ride from their destination. Without 189 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: the will to get back on their bikes. They got 190 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: back on their bikes, very sore and very tired, and 191 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: we've got another eighty miles through the green mountains to go. 192 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: Eventually they came to a familiar road who was the 193 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: same stretch Jonathan's parents drove each year to visit his uncle. 194 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: And I'm like, guys, we are so close, and so 195 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: then we keep. 196 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: Going and going and going and going, and I recognize nothing. 197 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: As it happens. A highway looks a lot different from 198 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: a bicycle than it does from the back seat of 199 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: your dad's car. I picture them, four little kids, still 200 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: young enough to have baby teeth, standing at the side 201 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: of the road, hunched over a large map that they'll 202 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: never be able to fold back up. Using their little fingers, 203 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: they trace their roots, trying to figure out where in 204 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 2: the world they are. In the end, Jonathan asked directions 205 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: from a farmer who must have wondered why four children 206 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: were cycling down a highway all alone. They rode the 207 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: rest of the way in silence and arrived after dark. 208 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: When Jonathan's uncle Herb saw the boys at his doorstep, 209 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: he was shocked. 210 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: And I just remember looking at their face and they're like, 211 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: your father told us you were gonna do it, But 212 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: we really didn't think you'd make it. We thought you'd 213 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: call and we'd come and get you somewhere along the way. 214 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: Because Jonathan's uncle, Herb great seventies uncle name by the way, 215 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: was a grown adult, he was able to see the 216 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: extraordinariness of the trip in a way that the boys couldn't. 217 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 3: My uncle said, you know, I think we should call 218 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: the paper. And we thought that would be a swell idea. 219 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: And so the next day the boys rode their bikes 220 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: into downtown Newport, where a photographer for the local paper 221 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: took their picture. It felt like being famous. 222 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: And we bought a dozen copies so we could hand 223 00:13:54,040 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: them out, and that was like the most exciting thing 224 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: that ever happened to me. 225 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: Jonathan sends me a scan of the photo. It's folded 226 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: up as though it's been carried around in a wallet 227 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: for decades. In it from left to right, Jonathan, his 228 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: best friend John, and his two new friends Mark and 229 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: Jimmy stand astride their bikes with looks of little boy pride. 230 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: You know, when you ride your byke two hundred and 231 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: forty miles when you're ten, right, everything that comes up 232 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: after that you gauge by a two hundred and forty 233 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: mile bike trip, and it seems small in comparison. 234 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: The bike trip is Jonathan's origin story on the track team. 235 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: He never considered himself especially talented, but what he lacked 236 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: in natural athleticism, he says he made up for an 237 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: effort after college, even though no one saw it coming. 238 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: He entered law school and graduated fourth in his class. 239 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: For Jonathan, the three day trip with his three little 240 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: friends wasn't just kids stuff, crazy seventies stuff. It taught 241 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: him keep going. 242 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you listen to me now, I'm 243 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: still I am still talking about three days that happened 244 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: forty five years ago. 245 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: Jonathan is now middle aged. He has white hair and 246 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: an office job, but the trip is with him all 247 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: the time, whenever he looks at a map or sees 248 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: a kid bike bye. And as he grows older, Jonathan 249 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: finds himself telling the story with greater frequency. But when 250 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: people think that he's exaggerating or worse, that he made 251 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: the whole thing up more than two hundred miles on 252 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: a three speed at age ten, without parents, he doesn't 253 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: have anyone to turn to, anyone who can say, yes, Jonathan, 254 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: we did do that, and yes, I also think about 255 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: that trip all the time. A year after the bike trip, 256 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: Jonathan's family moved away and he lost touch with his 257 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: best friend John. As for the two brothers, Jimmy and Mark, 258 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: after they got back on the bus Tolong Island wherever 259 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: that is, Jonathan never saw them again. 260 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: It's just so weird to me that we went through 261 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: this adventure and I never spoke to them again. 262 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: And this is why Jonathan has come to me. It's 263 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: really quite simple, he says. He feels like the last 264 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: living goony, and so he just wants help finding his 265 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: old friends. If you could find these guys again, Like 266 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: what specific questions would you want to ask? 267 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 3: Did the trip have as big of impact on your 268 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: life as it had in mind? Do you ever think 269 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: about that? If you do, what are your recollection, were 270 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: your impressions? What do you remember of the feeling of 271 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: you and Jonathan playing out the bike trip. 272 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 6: Not a whole lot. 273 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: This is Jonathan's best friend, John forty five years later, 274 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: and the badass from down the street is now a 275 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: retired carpenter living in Las Vegas. What happens in Vegas 276 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: stays in Vegas, and apparently what happened on the bike 277 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: trip stays anywhere that isn't John's brain. Do you remember 278 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: the day that it rained, the day they rained, or 279 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: taking off your shoes in the A and W. 280 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 6: I don't know. 281 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: Are there any other details that you remember? 282 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 6: We made it. 283 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: But despite not remembering many of the details from the 284 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: trip or any details from the trip, John tells me that, 285 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: like Jonathan, he still has the photo. He keeps it 286 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: in a dresser drawer along with other mementos, mostly from 287 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: just after that summer. 288 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 6: I have every concert ticket stub that I've ever been 289 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 6: to since probably nineteen seventy four, Rush Kiss Journey, Led Zeppelin, 290 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 6: Rolling Stones, Pink Flood. 291 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy four, the year of the bike trip, 292 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: John was thirteen, three years older than Jonathan, and his 293 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: Schwinn was starting to take a back seat to going 294 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: out at night to concerts. To loud music, to other 295 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: things teenage things that must have eclipsed the bike trip 296 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 2: that summer with his younger friend. So for John, the 297 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: bike trip is a nice but foggy memory, a newspaper 298 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: photo tucked away in a drawer. But there on the 299 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 2: opposite end of that photo, in T shirts and scuffed 300 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: up sneakers are the two brothers who'd mysteriously shown up 301 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: at Jonathan Marshall's doorstep in the summer of nineteen seventy four. 302 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: Jimmy and Mark Campbell, names so common that it's hard 303 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: to narrow down the search. We know the brothers are 304 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: originally from Long Island, but as it turns out, Long 305 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 2: Island is a pretty long island, and we don't know 306 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: what part Jimmy and Mark are from. So Jonathan calls 307 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: in a favor from a friend who works in local 308 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: government there and has access to elementary school yearbooks dating 309 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 2: back to the seventies. In the end, though, Jimmy and 310 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: Mark Campbell don't show up in any of them. Next, 311 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: we reach out to the resort where Jonathan met Jimmy 312 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: and Mark some forty five years ago, but there's no 313 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 2: record of their stay. The resort had no computer system 314 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 2: in the seventies and the owners have since changed. So 315 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: over the next few weeks, I make hundreds of phone calls. 316 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 6: Hello, you definitely have the wrong number. 317 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 7: I think you have the wrong number. 318 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: Probably have their own number. 319 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: We're sorry your call could not be completed. No brothers 320 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: named Jimmy and Mark, who've lived in the state of 321 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: New York in the nineteen seventies are safe. 322 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 5: He hasn't lived here for years. 323 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 7: There's no James here, No James Campbell lives here. 324 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 8: I was literally talking about that trip a week and 325 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 8: a half ago, and. 326 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: Then the bizarre Jimmy Campbell. He now goes by James 327 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: or Jim. He's a financial advisor living in California. He 328 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: phones me back from his office. 329 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 5: I can remember us walking our bikes and climbing up 330 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 5: the hill at like six in the morning. That's where 331 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 5: Root nine was, and we'd take off. 332 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: I remember, as we talk, it becomes clear that that 333 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: summer long ago is just as alive for Jim as 334 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: it is for Jonathan. 335 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 8: I can remember the second day when we were trying 336 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 8: to catch the Fay Burlington. 337 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: But the more we keep talking, the less Jim dwells 338 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: on the bike trip itself. 339 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 5: I can remember things like Johnson's dad coming home from 340 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 5: work and having some fun fights in the pool or. 341 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: Something, and the more he talks about the day's book 342 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: ending the trip. 343 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: I remember sitting in their family room watching the TV, 344 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 5: and then we camped out on their. 345 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 2: For Jim, family life with the Marshalls was in stark 346 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: contrast to his own home life, or to what it 347 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: was becoming. 348 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 5: My family's situation got uglier and more difficult post that. 349 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 8: Trip because. 350 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: My mother was. 351 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 2: Becoming sick, and this is why Jim and Mark were 352 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: sent to stay with the Marshalls. Their mother was in 353 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: the early stages of both MS and Parkinson's. Having two 354 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: little boys to care for made a hard time even harder, 355 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: so a phone call was placed, arrangements made, and two 356 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: bus tickets purchased. When I asked Jim what his mother 357 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: and father thought of their little boys bicycling all the 358 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: way to Vermont, he says that they didn't even know. 359 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: They had so much else to worry about. Jim's mom 360 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: was spending so much time in the hospital that she 361 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: had to quit her job, making Jim's dad the sole breadwinner. 362 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 5: My father, what I truly believe could not handle it right, 363 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 5: could not handle the stresses of the illness, and they 364 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 5: ended up divorcing, and he actually ended up moving out 365 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 5: of the state. So he chose to move, and he 366 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 5: chose to not contact us again. He chose to disappear. 367 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 5: So life got difficult. Money wasn't there. He had a 368 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 5: single parent who was an ill person, who was fighting 369 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 5: for ear own life, and you had to learn to 370 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: start sending for yourself. Probably the next year I started 371 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 5: working and I grew up fast. So that was probably 372 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 5: the last fun summer of my childhood. We'll say that. 373 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: For Jonathan, whose world was opening up to him that summer, 374 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: the bike trip was a beginning, but for Jim and 375 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: Mark it was an ending. So yes, the bike trip 376 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: was fun, Jim says, But when he thinks about the 377 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: summer of seventy four, he thinks about playing games with 378 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 2: Jonathan and his sister, about sleeping outside in the Marshall's 379 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: backyard under the stars, about getting to just be a 380 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: kid one last time. 381 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 5: I knew my family life was changing and gutting worse, 382 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: and his was just what I wanted life to be, 383 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 5: and it wasn't going to be, you know, with a 384 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 5: nicer home, nicer setting, the two parents, a lot of 385 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 5: family time, just getting a. 386 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: Long This is Jim's origin story. Like Jonathan's, it also 387 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: took place that summer, not a long Route nine, but 388 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: in the Marshall's home. Jonathan's mom had just had a 389 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: baby and spent a lot of time with the kids, 390 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: hanging out in the master bedroom, which. 391 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 5: Has a sitting area. 392 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 8: So not only do you have your bed, but you 393 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 8: have an area where you have a couch and you 394 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 8: can relax in. And I can remember hanging out in 395 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 8: that room with a mom and she's nursing the baby 396 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 8: and we're all just talking and just having a good time. 397 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: For Jim, that bedroom at the Marshalls represented the heart 398 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: of family life. It was cozy and it was safe. 399 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: It made an impression on Jim that carried into adulthood. 400 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 5: Years later, when my wife and I bought a home 401 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 5: in New Jersey, I wanted to make sure my master 402 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 5: bedroom was big enough to have a sitting area because 403 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 5: I remembered their house having that, and I wanted that 404 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 5: in my own home. I wanted that for my children, 405 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 5: and I was going to do my damn just to 406 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 5: get that. You know, A parent's supposed to sacrifice for 407 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 5: their kids. So I try to live up to my 408 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: expectations of what a parent's supposed to be, which wasn't 409 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 5: what my father was. 410 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 9: Jim holds a resentment, and I don't have that same resentment. 411 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: This is Jim's little brother, Mark, eleven years old this 412 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: summer of the bike trip. He's now a school teacher 413 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: in Florida. 414 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 9: I accepted my dad for what he was, and yeah, 415 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 9: I and didn't hold a grudge. 416 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 5: Our reactions to our lives when our parents broke up 417 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 5: was very different and made us very different people. 418 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: Until that summer, Jim and Mark spent all of their 419 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: time together. They shared a bedroom since they were babies, 420 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: but after their dad left, they drifted apart and Jim 421 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: moved out of the room. The bike trip was the 422 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: last time they'd ever spend together like that, whole uninterrupted 423 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: days just being brothers. Jim and Mark now live on 424 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: opposite ends of the country. They rarely see each other 425 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: or talk, but when they do, the bike trip often 426 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: comes up, and with it the photo that picture of 427 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: all four boys astride their bikes in the Newport News. 428 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: Unlike John and Jonathan, who've managed to keep there safe 429 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: for forty five years. Jim and Mark don't have their 430 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: picture anymore. It's just one more thing lost and the 431 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: chaos of illness and divorce. Neither Mark nor Jim has 432 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: seen it since they shared a room. 433 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 5: You know, I'm picturing right now. I can picture the 434 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 5: newspaper article with the picture of us four with our 435 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 5: bikes with the shoot smiles up in Newport, Vermont. That 436 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 5: picture says it all, just four smiling faces next to these, 437 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 5: you know, half assed bicycles. Look what we did. 438 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 9: No one believes that this even happened, because this sounds 439 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 9: so far fetch to everyone. But I'm like, we had 440 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 9: the evidence, we can prove it to them, but we 441 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 9: don't have it. 442 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: It's very well wrapped. 443 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 6: I don't really take it up big time. 444 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: After my conversation with the brothers, I prepared two packages, 445 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: each containing a framed photograph. One is addressed a gym 446 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: in California and the other to Mark in Florida. 447 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 6: Dumb here, it sounds freaking open. 448 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 3: Oh, I can't believe you got Holy shit, look that. 449 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 6: Now that is crazy. 450 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 9: Where did you find this? 451 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 5: Oh? 452 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 3: Man? 453 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: Oh, that is the picture. It's funny. I don't have 454 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: my college degree, my MBA. None of that's in a 455 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 4: frame and up on any wall. My wife hates our 456 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: wedding pictures. She didn't like the photographer, so those pictures 457 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 4: don't come out. So for me, this is this is 458 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 4: a huge deal for me. 459 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: Oh, it's got to go up. Jim and Mark no 460 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: longer ride bikes. For Jim it's hard to find the time. 461 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: For Mark. Hip and back surgeries have made it too difficult. 462 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: But looking back at the photostirs an old feeling in Mark, 463 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: one that he hasn't felt since that summer since he's 464 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: a kid. 465 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 9: Complete freedom from everything, think about most of your life. 466 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 9: So I'm what I was telling you what to do. 467 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 6: When is it ever your time? 468 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 9: Because I feel in my life is so it is contained. 469 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 9: During that time, I just felt complete freedom. I can't 470 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 9: describe it. I know some people tried to describe it 471 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 9: in books and songs. 472 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 7: There is just a feeling that just comes over you. 473 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 7: And I want. 474 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 9: That feeling again. 475 00:29:31,840 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 7: To just get up and just go and just be free. 476 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: It's Jim, Jim. I have Jonathan on the line. 477 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 10: Hello Jim, Jimmy God, you know, I swear to God, 478 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 10: I haven't heard your voice in forty years, You sound 479 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 10: exactly the forty. 480 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 5: Five years buddy his Mark, Hell, huh, John, what's happening? 481 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 7: Man? 482 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: With John out in his hammock drinking a beer, Jim 483 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: in his office, and Mark at home after school, Jonathan 484 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: after forty five years, reminisces with his old friends about 485 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: prowling around Frontier Town after dark, about the smell of 486 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: John shoes, about being kids with nothing but time and 487 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: long stretches of open road ahead of them. 488 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 5: I know, I know, I love telling the story to 489 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 5: my kids, and my kids roll their off. 490 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 6: When my kid won't ride a bicycle a mile and 491 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 6: a half to go do something, Okay, I'm gonna come on. 492 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 5: Thirteen. 493 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 6: I did one hundred and ten miles. 494 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: Now that the fern ures rift turn into it's good 495 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: will home, Now that the last month's rent is skating. 496 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 10: With the damage to post, take this moment to desolve. 497 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 5: If we too. 498 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: Are felt around for far too. 499 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: From thanks accident. 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