1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: One day I was with my mother's partner at the time. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: We were in the car and like a rolling stone 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: came on and he said to me, there's a line 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: in there about your mother, And I said what I mean? 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: It was just inconceivable. It was like he was telling 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: me your mother knew Shakespeare. It was one of those 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: stories that made and refused sense at the same time. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: And I knew that something was missing, and I was 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: also scared of knowing more. I was scared of wanting 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: to believe it. I was scared of knowing something that 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: would be a completely different story of my life. 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: That's Sam Susman on a moment he discovers the possible 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: identity of his father, Bob Dylan. 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I think, like many parents, my mother 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: use the car ride and a captive audience to have 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: difficult conversation. And she brought him up, and it was 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: really the first time that, unprodded, she spoke to me 18 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: about their relationship and about meeting him. She talked to 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: me about how she'd met him in nineteen seventy four, 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: and at a certain point I said, did you ever 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: see him again? And she said yes, And she told 22 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: me that they had been in touch again much later on, 23 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: including the year before I was born. 24 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: I'm Danny Shapiro and Welcome to the thirteenth season of 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: Family Secrets. It never ceases to amaze and inspire me 26 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: the courage and tenacity of our guests, those who disrupt 27 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: and rewrite long lines of secrecy. Thank you to those 28 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: brave storytellers, and to you, my Family Secrets family, for 29 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: always listening with curiosity, empathy, and support. I can't wait 30 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: to share ten new, extraordinary episodes with you. Stories of 31 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: identities lost and found, truths buried and revealed, and always 32 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: the pervasive weight of secrets and the liberation that comes 33 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: from speaking our truth. Welcome to season thirteen, which drops 34 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: on Thursday, November thirteenth. Here's Kate Price speaking on the unspeakable. 35 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: What I really held on to particularly was being taken 36 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: out in the middle of the night. It was more 37 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 3: how I felt the next day I would be sore. 38 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: I knew something had happened to me in the middle 39 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: of the night, but once I got in the truck, 40 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: I couldn't hold on to what had happened, and my 41 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: father would often inject me with something. I've never figured 42 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: out what it was, but he would make me drink 43 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: a liquid or I would wake up to the cold 44 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: feeling of alcohol being wrapped on my right arm and 45 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: then being injected. 46 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: And Aril's statuel on his myriad selves in search of authenticity. 47 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: Often what I would do if I didn't feel. 48 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 5: Like I was being accepted is that you kind of 49 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 5: shoes an identity that other people can't have. And so 50 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 5: I remember that summer and deciding that I needed to 51 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 5: start fresh, and I showed up the school and it 52 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 5: worked well for as long as it worked. I came 53 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 5: in with skater shoes and the hair, and the big 54 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 5: thing was changing my name for Ariel to ari. I 55 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 5: thought that could camouflage me. 56 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: And I also thought that taking my dad's last name, 57 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeshiaghu and taking my mom's last name Statchel would given 58 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: space to be I wanted to be, or whoever I 59 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 4: wanted to create myself to be. 60 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: And so it worked until obviously it didn't. 61 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: I hope you'll join me and my astonishing guests for 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: this new season of Family Secrets, coming Thursday, November thirteenth, 63 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: and available wherever you get your podcasts.