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Speaker 1: Well, this is not how we wanted to start our Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to some absolutely terrible news about Mets catcher Francisco

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Speaker 1: Alvarez broken handmate bone out six to eight weeks.

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Speaker 2: This is bad. This is bad for Francisco Alfarez, this

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Speaker 2: is bad for the New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about every possible solution, every possible

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Speaker 1: player that could be coming in, anything that we can

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Speaker 1: possibly think about talking about here with Francisco Alvarez, this

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Speaker 1: injury and the Mets. We will be covering this and

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Speaker 1: I welcome to the text from you. I woke up

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Speaker 1: to text from my dad. I woke up to text

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Speaker 1: from every Mets fan. It seems like about this horrible news.

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling what time did you wake up? Well,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about that. The hour jumped forward.

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Speaker 1: We jumped forward an hour, so I woke up at

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Speaker 1: a normal time, normally normal time.

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Speaker 3: But this is just this is terrible. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to be around the bush.

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Speaker 2: This sucks.

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Speaker 3: This just sucks, straight up sucks. It's terrible for the Mets,

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Speaker 3: terrible for Alvarez. I'm struggling. I can't figure out who.

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Speaker 3: It's actually worse for either Alvarez or the Mets. And

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Speaker 3: it's really bad for the Mets because we just simply

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Speaker 3: don't have any other catching options besides Luis Torrenz. There's

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Speaker 3: no one else on the forty man roster. Therenz is

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Speaker 3: a fine backup catcher, but in terms of a starting

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Speaker 3: there besides him. Again, people internally, we have Jackson Reetz,

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Speaker 3: who's played eight major league games. We have Chris Williams,

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Speaker 3: who's a twenty eight year olds also never played the

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Speaker 3: major league game, but can't hit, but at least was

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Speaker 3: It's not really options. People are talking about Kevin Parrada.

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Speaker 3: He's not even close to being consideration. He can neither

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Speaker 3: It's it's a really bad situation. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: they're going to go out, if they're going to go

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Speaker 3: outside the organization. I have no idea what they're going

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Speaker 3: to do. But it's also really bad Francisco al for us.

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Speaker 3: This was supposed to be the breakout season for Alvarez.

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Speaker 3: This is supposed to be the year things begin to

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Speaker 3: actually coalesce for him. He's really valuable to the pitching staff.

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Speaker 3: But as a hither, the handmade injury is horrible. It's

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Speaker 3: very serious. It was Zappa guy's power for basically a

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Speaker 3: calendar year. And the fact that he's going to now play,

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Speaker 3: it makes me think because he had the thumb lig

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Speaker 3: handmade issues before that. He also changed the swing, so

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Speaker 3: that was in a different spot in his hand. It's

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Speaker 3: this is this is a terrible This is a terrible terrible, terrible,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, funny enough, the guy who's been working with a lot. J. D.

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Speaker 1: Martinez also had a handmade bone of injury at one

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Speaker 1: think that that happened. There are tons of players who

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Speaker 1: have been successful after a handmade bone injury. We saw

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Speaker 1: Francisco Alvarez. And unfortunately, the take that you had on

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Speaker 3: The irony of that take is that one, I was

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Speaker 3: dead wrong. He's a really good defensive catcher. Horrible take

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Speaker 3: by me. And second of all, he's not getting these

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Speaker 1: I will say this, I'm sure that catching one hundred

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Speaker 3: That's definitely true. And the handmade bone. For you guys

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Speaker 3: I had this offseason where everyone's really excited about the

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Speaker 3: He's been terrible this spring. The striker it was near

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Speaker 3: so I can't be like he has dampening his future

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Speaker 3: But there's probably a little bit less of a power

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it sucks. It sucks so bad. I

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Speaker 2: My pick for the Mets. That would have been a

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Speaker 1: It's it's so annoying that the development of this guy

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Speaker 1: don't understand the full outca or power of what the

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Speaker 1: And again, we'll take a league average offensive player Francisco

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Speaker 1: The problem is that now for this six to eight

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Speaker 1: I like Louis Therenz a lot, and so do you.

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Speaker 1: You said it, great backup catcher, defensively fantastic. The way

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Speaker 1: It's super super valuable, especially with the stolen bases just

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Speaker 2: He hits the ball.

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Speaker 3: Pretty hard, like that's something that's good to see, a

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Speaker 3: it's just it's gonna be a lot of feast or

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Speaker 3: fan with Luis Torrenz and he's going to just simply

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Alvier's I don't know if I'd

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Speaker 3: basically every single day you're guaranteed to have two Heathers

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Speaker 3: Turning it over and getting back to our league as

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Speaker 3: the top. It's not I'm not trying to mince our word.

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Speaker 3: It's not trying to scare people, but this is not good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking around the league trying to figure out because

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Speaker 1: the one good think about catching is that there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a ton of guys that don't make the roster

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Speaker 1: just clicking through and I'll tell you what, I don't

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Speaker 1: love the options. I just got to the White Sox.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Omar Nerviz is probably not making that roster.

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Speaker 3: Omdviz James McCann to two options. I know the Reds

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Speaker 3: that weird trade for Jose Trevigno. I think Austin Wins

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't necessarily was he a former Met

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Speaker 1: Austin Wins did he play a game for us?

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Speaker 2: Why do I have that in my head? Austin Wins

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Speaker 2: playing for the Mets? Is that possible?

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Speaker 3: It's a good defensive catcher. He has that, so I

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Speaker 3: mean maybe we want another part of that because it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be hard to buy a catcher with him now.

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Speaker 2: He never did. Okay, who was I thinking of? Didn't

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Speaker 1: At least you're you're out of here. You're out of

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Speaker 3: We got Louis nz I went, I went too guys

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