WEBVTT - Chad Mumm 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.920 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.719 Claude Harmon. We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest, 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.840 Uh something that I'm really really excited about Chad mom, 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:21.440 the executive producer of the new Netflix golf documentary Full Swing, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.440 which comes out February. UM. I think everybody's been seeing 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.160 some of the trailers. I had a chance to talk 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.600 to Chad a couple of weeks ago, and UM, I 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.639 was I was a small part of this. They were 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.560 miking everybody up last year, UM on the PGA Tour, 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.199 and as a coach, UM, I got miked up. So 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.159 I think I'm in this thing. I don't think I'll 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.680 have too many speaking roles, but UM, listen, it's it's 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.120 going to be uh something that everybody who's in golf 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:50.760 is gonna want to watch. And I think it's going 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.080 to give everybody kind of a unique insight to what 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.760 it's like, UM to be on the PGA Tour. It's 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.960 a traveling circus. I've been doing it for more than 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.760 two decades, and I think when when when you see it, 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.000 and when you see what everybody who plays professional golf, 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.160 the caddies, the coaches, the players, the agents, the wives, 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.760 the girlfriends, what everybody has to go through. UM. I 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.520 think it will give everybody a different perspective. UM and 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.640 I don't think you know, if you watch some of 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.679 the teasers, you've got the impulter saying, I mean, what 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.240 an amazing year that you chose to do that with 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.760 everything that's happened in the last twelve months. So I'm 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.120 excited about it. But before we get to the interview, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.840 let's take a moment to thank our friends at Cobra Golf. UM. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.240 You hear me talk about it every time I talked 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.800 about Cobra. UM. I love the brand. I'm really proud 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.640 to be a part of the brand. And UM, I 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.440 love their equipment. I think they make the best equipment 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.720 in the game. 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Um, 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.400 it was possible. Um, I met all you guys. You 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.240 guys were out in San Diego, UM at Tory Pines, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:00.960 and you guys were I can people up and it 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.560 was all kind of new. You just just no way 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.800 you guys could have envisioned that this is what the 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.440 hell was going to happen in professional golf while you 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.080 had the cameras rolling in unlimited access for twelve months. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.520 It's crazy, it's it is. It's truly crazy. And I 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.920 don't think, like I said, we could not have written 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.520 a script. It would have been thrown out. Netflix would 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.200 have said, like keep trying, because this is too unbelievable. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.880 Um just a just the macro story of what happened 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.679 in pro golf, but also the individuals stories, the character stories. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.720 You know, players that we started filming with um kind 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.640 of a little bit like unexpectedly and they go on 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.640 and win a major championship. Like it just being in 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.200 the room at the right time, it felt like we 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.640 were there for every moment and and it just so 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.360 happened that, like we picked you know, justin Thomas, were like, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.440 he's playing great, Let's go into Southern Hills and we 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.880 see what happens. We're also with Mito that same week, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.839 and we're also with Matt Fitzpatrick that week, and you know, 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.560 just of all the players in the cast to sort 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.480 of say, hey, these are gonna be our focus is 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.360 for for that event. Just as one example, it's like, well, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.640 you get a major winner, you get someone who has 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.960 one of the most dramatic you know, final holes in 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.239 major championship history, and then you get a guy who's 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.640 in the final pair and can't get it done coming 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.440 back with the next major to win. It's just the 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.800 storylines were amazing on the course obviously, you know, storylines 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.320 off the course have just been there's just never been 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.280 more people thinking about professional golf, and uh yeah, we're 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.200 I mean, I couldn't believe it. You know, sometimes the 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.080 universe like, sometimes the universe just hands it to you, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.680 and in this case, we really we couldn't have had 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.080 a better year to start this thing. Hey, that week 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.159 at Southern Hills, I recorded Mito Pereira earlier in the 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.800 week for my podcast that week and for the following week, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.280 and I'm thinking, please win, please win, please win. Um 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.040 why golf, Chad? I mean, obviously, I think everybody has 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.120 seen the success of Drive to Survive when that came 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.840 out on Formula One. Chad, I can remember. I mean 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.080 I always been a huge F one fan. I lived 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.719 in Europe for a long time, so it's always been 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.640 a huge, you know, sport that I followed. But during 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.840 the pandemic, when when the tour kind of started again, everybody, 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.080 all the guys that I was working with, we're all 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.560 staying in houses. We weren't going out, we weren't doing anything. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.600 And I remember one night I was staying with Brooks, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.120 were at Memorial and they had this basement with this 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.200 big TV and He's like, find us something to watch 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.479 this week, you know, So I went down and we 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.640 got done having dinner and his brother was staying there 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.120 and his caddy and everything, and I said, have you 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.440 guys seen Drive to Survive? Because I was binge watching 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.320 all of it, and they're like, what's it about. I 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.560 was like, Formula one and they're like, okay, well watch 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.600 a couple episodes stuff. We stayed up till almost three 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.080 o'clock in the morning watching the whole thing. And it's subsequently, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.239 how many of the p G A Tour players now 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.239 are following Formula one? I mean we I've met Carlos Science, 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.440 who's an F one driver through um watching that and 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.839 he's a big golfer. Lando Norris a big golfer DJ 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.400 and I played with Lando and um, Carlos. I mean, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.680 but why golf? Because I mean, obviously one is a huge, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:06.400 huge reach, but three, I mean his golf as big 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.720 as that. And why did you guys choose it? Well, 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.600 I want to get to your question in a second, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.240 but actually that prompted maybe a funny, like a little 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.200 behind the scenes story that I haven't told anybody. So 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.000 that was at the memorial when you had that when 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.640 you watch it with Brooks, So I think we did 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.880 a zoom with him like a month later, and it 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.120 was us pitching the show, like getting trying to get 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.760 players involved in Brooks. You know, he was top of 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.920 my list for players that I thought, nobody knows who 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.080 this guy really is. I want to get I want 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.680 to get in there in his life and really just 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.880 figure out who this guy is because I I've always 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.600 found Brooks to be just a fascinating character. Be be 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.080 careful with that, because, um, I've got I know, I've got, 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.880 I've gotten in out and back in on that it. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.520 Brooks can be Brooks. But you're right, Brooks is a 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.559 character that the player that I know off the golf 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.840 course is vastly different than the player that you see 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.600 on the golf Every time I post a video of 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.320 Brooks hitting a golf ball, it's just every comment on 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.560 the social feats bro the guy doesn't practice, he hates 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.840 practicing and stuff, And I'm like, you guys don't actually 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.280 know anything about these plays anything. Yeah, well well so 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.160 so my to kind of finish the story Brooks. But yes, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.640 I hear you, Um he had. We were trying to 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.920 get in touch with him and like it just you know, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.760 there was like no interest or we weren't you know here, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.320 hadn't heard back or anything like that. And then like 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.760 a month, I guess after the memorial, we get a 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.640 zoom with him, and that's when this was all starting 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.240 to get kind of real, you know. And and I 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.560 remember waking up because it's I'm in l you know, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.600 based in l A. He's he's in Jupiter. Like it 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.720 was maybe it's like seven in the morning or something, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.679 or even like maybe six am on the West Coast, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.760 and I'm like sitting in my little office in my house, 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.200 you know, with a cup of coffee, and like Brooks 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.600 kept pops up on my zoom and that was like 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.520 one of the cooler, like face to face moments of like, 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.120 oh my god, this thing could really happen. And and 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.679 I start kind of pitching why what we're trying to do, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.360 and he's like, oh, yeah, no. We we watched all 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.360 of Drive to Survive like a month ago. He's like, 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.280 I started watching it, you know, my coach was saying 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.880 we should go check it out, and it was great 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.160 and everybody was talking about it, like, you know. Then 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:16.520 we end up in a basement. He's like, and I 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.680 stayed up all night watching the whole thing. I watched 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.720 every episode. He's like, I love it. Now I've watched 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.559 everything of season two. He's like, I'm a huge fan. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.280 I totally get what this is. When do we start, basically, 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.080 you know, it was kind of like he totally got it. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.640 And so I mean the drive to survive effect. You know, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.800 you can't overstate it. I think, like to come back 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.679 to your questions sort of why golf, I mean, I 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.720 think it has to start for me, like personally, right, Like, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.800 you know, I run Box Media Studios. We make goes 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.120 for Netflix and Hulu and Hbo and you know, a 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.240 bunch of different streamers much in the networks, and we 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.240 make all kinds of different shows, make food shows, make 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.640 true crime shows, we make you know, infotainment. We do 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.600 a bunch of stuff scripted shows. But I have been 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.480 a golf a player in my entire life. I sort 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.520 of grew up in the game. My dad was in 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.600 the military, are my grandfather was in the military. Just 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.760 kind of grew up playing military golf courses. It was 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.800 like a way for me to stay busy, you know, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.360 and and just like golf became such a part of 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.200 my life. And then especially when I was, you know, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.720 in eighth grade with Tiger is just like two thousand. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.560 Tiger was just you know doing I mean it was 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.840 like changing in the world and the most famous athlete 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.960 ever and and I just completely fell head over heels 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.840 for the game. And and so, you know, for me, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.040 I've always wanted to do something in golf, and this 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.120 has been like a real like labor of love to 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.560 bring this project to life over a period of like 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.880 you know, half a decade of of like working out 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.920 how to bring this thing to fruition. And and so 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.800 for me it was always like, how do we how 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.320 do we do something really interesting with this sport that 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.040 has been such a part of my life. And you know, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.840 I was never gonna be a competitor like played, you know, 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.800 on the tour, even though maybe I dreamed that when 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.719 I was like thirteen or fourteen, But then you kind 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.040 of get to play with some really good players and 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.360 you're like, oh, yeah, no, that's not for you. But 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.800 you know, I think like thinking about where golf is, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.040 you know, after through the pandemic and even now it's like, 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.360 you know, golf, especially professional golf, you know, even before 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.200 the events of this year, has been at an inflection point. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.199 You know, you have a generational athlete and Tiger who's 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.800 you know, playing less and less, and you know, we're 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.679 all excited to see him every time he comes out. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.880 But like there's a transition and you have all these 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.679 younger players who are changing the game in their own way, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.920 who are much more comfortable with social media and talking 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:30.200 to audiences directly, and they're like not as intermediated by like, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.120 you know, the media. I mean they can talk directly 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.720 to fans on Twitter, on Instagram, on podcasts like this, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.400 and there's a whole new slew of golf media that like, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.800 like what you're doing here that is like brought a 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.880 different type of fan into the game, a younger fan, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.480 people who are you know, trying to get better, trying 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.320 to follow professional golf in different ways, you know, try 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.240 to get inside that sport. And you've also seen like 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.120 golf popularity explode in terms of participation, so all of 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.160 a sudden, you know, people who we're not playing golf 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:58.439 are picking it up because it's one of the few 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.319 things you could do during the pandemic that was safe 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.440 and all kinds of you know, that's been great for golf, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.240 great for equipment, companies. From sure, it's been great for coaches, um. 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.320 And I think that the last pieces, like the golf 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.760 has become a lifestyle in a way that like maybe 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.840 is it hasn't been like that since like I don't know, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.320 the era of like the rat Pack and Big Crosby 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.520 and Bob Hope and and that o g kind of 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.200 like sixties era golf, you know vibe. But you know, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.120 like look at what you're wearing right now. It's like 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.800 that's it's a golf jacket. Like it's it's like, golf 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.000 is cool. It's a lifestyle now. And I think people, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:32.880 I think all of that adds up to this like 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.400 buzz and interests around the sport and around the game. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.240 And one of the things that makes it so compelling 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.800 from a storytelling perspective is, you know, sort of unlike 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.440 almost any other pro sport, including formula one, I mean, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.400 it is entirely on the shoulders of the player. I 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.520 mean there is no more individual sport than golf. Um. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.520 You are out there on an island and you know 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.600 it is it is a fascinating way to get inside 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.280 the head and inside the lives of some of these 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.120 players who kind of do this at such a high 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.400 level um and the way the sport you know, takes 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.840 place in un folds over a week, you know, across 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.680 four days, and then across the season. It just creates 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.840 so much opportunity for storytelling because you know, all those 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.880 guys who play pro goolf, I mean, they you stand 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.319 next to them on the range, and I love That's 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.480 still my I still love doing that, you know, showing 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.440 up at an event, just walking up and down the range, 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.640 just hearing the sound it makes, you know, and you 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.920 stand next to someone who's like Hunred fifty in the world, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:22.640 and you're like, that's the best golfer I've ever seen 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.520 in my life, you know, and it's just one by one. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.880 Just the talent and skill is amazing. And then you 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.480 get inside the heads of these elite top players and 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.319 you see what they do in their lives and what 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.240 what sort of takes them to that next level. And 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.559 and then and also just the humanity that comes with 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.439 something so humbling is golf. I mean, there's we we've 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.040 never seen anything like Tiger really, and then maybe we'll 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.760 never see anything like that again. You know, the parody 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.920 in golf is really real, and the idea that anybody 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.520 at any point could go out there and win it. Um. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.080 It makes it even more impressive to see those guys 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.160 who really do you know, sort of rise above their 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.760 peers and and and they all kind of approach it 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.760 in really different ways. So we we've found that to 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.520 be really fascinating. I think that I hope that you know, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.200 viewers of this show, you know, have that same feeling 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.679 of like, never saw a golf in this way. And 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.439 we're not trying to just reach golfers with this series, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.880 you know, I think golf is a giant global audience. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.240 There's lots of participation in the sport. But you know, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.000 our hope is that we are going to be able 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.200 to humanize these athletes in a way that you know, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.200 brings non fans, non core golf fans into it, gets 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.960 them excited about, you know, what's going on in professional golf, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.120 and you know, maybe make some new fans of some 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.160 of these players that you know aren't quite the same 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.880 level of hustle names as you know, guys like Dustin 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.560 and Brooks and DJ and yeah, Dustin and Brooks and 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.480 Rory and JT and Jordan's speed and those kind of guys. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.200 So you mentioned, um, Tigers Tiger in the In the show, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.200 Tiger is a is a character that many of the 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:56.440 storylines revolve around. Yeah, because, I mean it was interesting. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.760 I got to spend some time. I've met Carlos Science 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.360 through Instagram and finally got I've met him a couple 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.800 of times, but um, I got to meet him and 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.080 his manager too. I think he's his is his cousin 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.760 and he was saying, if you remember the first series 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.880 of of of Drive to Survive for the people that 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.560 watched it, Um, Lewis Hamilton's Mercedes Ferrari, they weren't in 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.160 it at all. They were just characters. As you said, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.200 like Tiger will be a character, and you weren't getting 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.400 first person interviews with anybody at Mercedes. You weren't getting 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:30.480 first person interviews with anybody at um Ferrari. But obviously 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.440 if you're gonna do something on formula, they are a 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.520 part of the story. And at that time, Lewis Hamilton's 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.080 is the best driver, He's winning the world championship, so 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.120 Tiger will be a part of the storyline. Um, has 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.680 it been interesting for you all when you're interviewing all 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:51.440 of these players chat too, to see just what an 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.480 impact Tiger has had on golf. But this new younger 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.280 generation of players. I mean, I've been around Tiger since 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.280 three when my dad was his coach, and I was 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.080 around it for ten years, and um, you know, I'm 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.200 I'm kind of like a storyteller to a lot of 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.160 these young players because they never saw Tiger play. They've 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.360 only seen him on Golf Channel and reruns. They've only 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.960 seen the YouTube clips, so they really were around him. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.720 And this kind of Tiger two point oh winning the 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.880 Masters again, coming back and playing and forging these relationships 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.880 with these younger players. Um, they're getting to see Tiger, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.800 but he has. He has been such a huge, huge 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.960 figure in our sport. Yeah, no doubt, and and you know, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.280 one of the most fascinating. And not that I was 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.920 surprised because you know, in many ways, I think, you know, 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.480 I'm in that same generation as some of those players 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.760 that you're mentioning. Maybe maybe you know, maybe one half 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.840 generation older than them. But you know, for me, like 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.720 I said, I grew up watching Tiger as a young 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.040 you know, as a as a end of middle school, 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.440 high school kid. You know, never got to you know, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.480 obviously never played with him. Or anything like that in 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.680 junior all for anything. He was already on the tour 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.800 and winning you know, many many measures. Um. But when 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:06.920 we first started the show, the first thing we did 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.200 is and this is this is something that uh Paul 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.719 and James from Box to Box, who are partners on 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.359 this show, who make Drive to Survive UM. This is 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.639 something that they've been doing for many years where the 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.680 first interviews we do with players, we sit them down 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.040 just no cameras, just talk audio and let them be 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.600 free and you know, we're not worried about you know, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.639 how you look or the lighting and it's just a 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.320 chance to get to know somebody and kind of getting 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.359 their heads a little bit. And we went down to 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:36.000 the Bahamas um at the end of and to the 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.359 Hero World Challenge, and we sat in a recording studio 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.720 that happened to be like justin timber Lake studio is 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.280 like very cool place to introduce ourselves to the to 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.359 the players for the first time. But every one of 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.320 the guys who came in, like honestly to a man, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.000 had their own version of a story about how they 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.639 were inspired by Tiger, and we never asked them. It 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.040 was like what, you know, why are you a pro golfer? 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.000 And they all had some version of that answer of 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.800 being inspired by Tiger and what he meant to them 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.960 as as a player and the impact he had, except 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.520 for maybe Brooks, who I think he said he liked 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.119 Adam Scott, but it was it was fascinating and like 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.680 just to see there. You know, some guys like Justin 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.520 Thomas obviously have have a really close relationship, you know, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.920 other other players who just watched those clips and we've 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:23.960 seen how he approached the game and have tried to 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.680 learn about, you know, how Tiger prepared himselves mentally and physically. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.680 I mean, I think there's there's one takeaway for from 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.800 this shows. You'll see just how physical golf is and 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.680 how these athletes get themselves in shape. I mean there's 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.200 a lot of like gym footage for a show about golf, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.239 which I think people will be excited to see some 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.879 of the you know, how hard these athletes are working 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.119 out and pushing their bodies, but also like the mental 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.119 side of it, you know, how do you approach how 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.040 do you approach the game? I think Tiger changed that, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.320 you know, in a in a really big way. And 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.000 then obviously he introduced golf to like billions of people, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.800 you know, who wouldn't look twice at a at a 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.879 at a you know, professional all tournament or at a 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.920 PGA to our event. And you know, all of a 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.239 sudden that became musty TV every time you teed it up. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.000 So you know, you can't really like overstate the impact 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.760 the Tigers had and to see this year unfold, you know, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.119 with him returning at the Masters, you know, from his 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.800 injury and what that meant to the players that we've 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.400 been closely following, and and just how important and how 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.359 much the vibe changes when he steps on side of 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.240 the property. You mentioned the first time we that was 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.960 at Torrey Pines. That was our first event shooting, and 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:29.800 that was actually kind of our test run, like we 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.480 were trying out, like how many players to let us 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.600 put mikes on him? The answer is not that many 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.840 at the beginning, you know, Well that was the other 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.719 thing I mean, you guys, obviously nothing like this has 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.560 ever been done in golf. And I think golfers, because 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.960 they're not part of a team concept um, they can 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.360 kind of, as you guys have found out, they can 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.600 kind of do their own thing. Right, there's no, there's 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.920 no team principle, there's no team manager, there's no team coach, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.359 saying because a lot of times, you guys would be 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.240 coming up and going, hey, what time are you know? 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.440 What time's DJ coming out? I'm like, I said, he'd 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:01.719 be out of ten and you guys were all there 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.320 at ten o'clock and he shows up at twelve o'clock 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.840 and you guys are like it always like this. I'm like, yeah, 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.160 about ten years and it's been like this. But originally 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.320 I think everybody, not everybody, but I think the majority 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.440 of the people were they're scared, right because they don't know. 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.280 And I kept saying to all the players that you 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.040 know DJ Kip saying, hey, should I do this? Should 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.639 I do this? I said, listen, they're not trying to 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.520 make you look bad. This is not a gutcha piece. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.360 They don't want to get bad footage. Right, So, how 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.920 have you guys bridge that gap? Was it? Did it 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.000 take time? Because I kind of think tour players are 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.520 a little bit like sometimes they can be like dogs, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.960 right if they if they see something they don't like 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.040 or they haven't seen before, they don't know, they initially 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.959 bark and then they'll kind of sniff around and if 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.280 they see you on a regular basis, then they'll come up. 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.359 Did you guys have any growing pains on having to 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.119 say to the guys, listen, we're here to make you 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.399 look good? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think it was 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.879 it was a girl. It was like learning process and 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.520 relationship driven thing, like from for the last two and 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.879 a half years, you know, so from the first player 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.800 to really say yes to this to like the last 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.320 shoot we did in October, I guess maybe we had yeah, 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.760 the last end of the end of October. Um. You know, 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.800 we were always proving to the player that they could 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.640 trust us, and it was never like we never took 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.480 for granted that that access would remain, you know, that 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.840 would be there the next week. So we any time 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.280 a player let us in, you know, we wanted to 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.080 make sure that they were heard, you know, that they 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.000 felt heard and that they felt like we were part 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.040 of the team, not the media, you know, and they're 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.680 so there's so much media and golf so much focus 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.560 and attention on everything that they say and the way 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.560 that they're playing, and there's so much commentary. Like any 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.639 pro sport, there's a lot of like a lot of 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:55.880 media that sort of And and because they're not part 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:57.560 of a team, there's no place for them to hide. 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.600 For the most part, you know, they are facing those questions. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.040 There's get in front of the media, and that is 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.640 pretty different from being on an NBA team or being 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.960 in a on an NFL team or a racing team. Um. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.120 And so they like learn to you know, protect themselves 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.080 as they should, you know. And and it's their own 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.520 private lives. They're entitled to that privacy. Um. But what 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.400 we really wanted to stress to them, and I think 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.040 what we've proven to them, the guys that really leaned 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.800 in is that like we aren't this isn't coming out 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:24.760 like next week. It's not going to be out on 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:29.120 Twitter like anything that we film, good or bad, Like 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.879 we'll have the benefit of a year's worth of context. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.680 So like take you know, Matt Fitzpatrick, you could be 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.960 there in his worst moment. He is in the final group, 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:41.760 he's playing grade, He's in the final group at Southern 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.760 Hills in the PGA Championship. You know, a few shots 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.840 behind me too, has every every chance in the world 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.879 to have a good round and and go win his 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.760 first PGA Tour event. And let alone a major. And 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:54.560 we were there with him that morning, We were there 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.040 with him the night before, and we were there with 0:22:56.119 --> 0:23:00.919 him driving away. You know, as he thinks about throwing 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.480 away his you know that up to that moment is 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.359 best shot at a major championship. And that's a dark moment. 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:10.120 And you know, most most people, normal people would say, 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.280 I don't want the cameras here with me. 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We had a 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.840 conversation with Netflix when this all got green light, where 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.240 one exact there asked me like, so, what's the drama 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.360 in pro golf? You know, and I'm I'm like, this 0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.960 is before what happened this year, and it's like, oh, 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.200 you know, rules arguments. You know, people really hate when 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.760 there's some rules stuff. It gets a little like chippy 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.320 out there, you know. And then I was like, slow 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.080 plays a big deal. It's probably gonna be slow play drama, 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.520 you know, and I just I'm just reaching for something, 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.000 you know, like because these guys aren't, like there's not 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.000 right rival reason in a way that like there is 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:19.520 in some other sports where you're so head to head. 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.440 I mean, it really is. You're out there playing your game. 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.760 Certainly some people like each other more than others, and 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.840 there's like there is some dynamics there. Um. But we were, 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.439 you know, waiting to see what would happen. And I 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.159 think that when we had our plans for what this 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:34.840 season would look like, you know, what we thought the 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.199 dramatic stakes were gonna be was was very different from 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.520 what it ended up. And I think that's that's the 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.439 benefit of being able to spend a year, you know, 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:45.560 living inside this world where like we we were able 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.280 to follow the stories as they unfolded, and we had 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.159 the access to be able to actually be there for 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.119 eat for all of it, like beginning, middle, and end, 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.560 as opposed to just saying, Okay, here's what we think 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:55.920 the drama is gonna be. We're gonna kind of like 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.439 assemble it, you know. That's that's that's a big difference 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.399 between something like this and like a hard you know, 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.280 because we don't have to quick turn it. I mean, 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:06.000 we shot footage that started storylines and like at Tory 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.040 Pines you know, at the beginning of the season, and 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.280 didn't really pay that off for finish it until like 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.399 the tor Championship, you know, at the end of the year, 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:13.760 and then we were able to go back and look 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.199 at all that stuff and stitch those things together and 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.879 tie it all up. Um. So yeah, I think that, 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.399 you know, our our job, the number one goal was 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.480 really just to build that trust with the players where 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.640 they would actually let us in, you know, and show 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.600 us who they are in a real in a real way, 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.199 not you know, not the media trained way. And and 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.480 we just did that like by being there when we 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.320 said we were going to be there, and like I said, 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.560 sometimes they weren't there, you know, but we were. We 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.880 tried to you know, any anything, We sort of promised 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:40.439 that we wanted to hold up, hold up to it. 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:42.280 And really what we said was, if you let us in, 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:44.800 you know, the more you lean into this, the more 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:46.520 you're gonna get out of it. And if there's any 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.800 takeaway from this show that has proven to be so true, 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.480 the guys who really leaned in, who said, come into 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.840 my lives, come into my family's lives, come into my 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.800 spouses life, um and and you know I'm willing to 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.240 go there with you, they're the ones who I think, 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.520 you know, fans and viewers are gonna fall in love 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.960 with because you really see, you know, what it takes 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.320 and what it's like to be in this crazy traveling 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.679 circus that obviously you know so well. Yeah, I mean golf. 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.080 I mean it's it's been um fifty three, it's it's 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.960 it's the only life I've ever known. But you know, Chad, 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:18.919 when I was growing up, golf wasn't cool. You know, 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.200 I didn't tell people that my dad was a golf 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.359 and you know, gave golf lessons and people thought that 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.600 was cool. It was kind of old guys, a bunch 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.560 of rich people wearing funny clothes. And I remember saying 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:30.920 to you and the team out at Tory Pines. I mean, 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.000 it's easy with drive to survive, to make F one 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.720 look cool because you just show a slow motion picture 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:39.840 of a car coming around a corner, or you hear 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.040 the noise of an F one car or the or 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.160 the garage and all of that. And I remember saying, you, guys, 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.480 how are you How are you guys gonna make golf 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:51.760 look cool? Um? How did you do it? Well? I mean, 0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.520 I hope that you think it looks cool when you 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:56.760 see the show in a week. But but we you know, 0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.879 it always comes down to the stories and the character. 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:01.359 And I think that one of the things that we 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.880 really learned is like golfers are an interesting breed of 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.080 athlete and and I think, like there is when you're 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.919 on a team, there's so much infrastructure around you. Um, 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:12.919 being a pro golfer is like being the CEO of 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.480 your own little company, in your own brand, and like, 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.240 and it's just it's just a different personality type. And 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.280 I think that the the guys that we really spent 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.600 a lot of time with this year, like actually are cool. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:25.880 And you see their lifestyle, you see the way they live, 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.399 you see like the people they hang out with and 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.000 and it's not the stuffy image of pro golf like 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.280 it was in the nineties or the seventies or the eighties. 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.360 You know. It's like these guys have cool lives. They 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.400 fly around in private jets, they have they wear like 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.080 fancy sneakers, they drive cool cars, they have cool friends. 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.640 Like they're twenty year olds who are making millions of dollars, 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:45.800 you know, competing in front of tens of thousands of 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.160 people every weekend and like and they're just trying to 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.040 beat the ship out of each other, which is also 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.240 like really fun. And I think there's like a there's 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.560 a real you know, mental toughness that these players have 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:57.240 to able to go in and you're not gonna win 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.200 a lot on the PGA Tour. You win three times, 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.560 that's like a career year, you know for many players, 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:03.959 when once that's that could be a career defining thing. 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:05.880 And so like to be able to go and reb 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.400 yourself up to compete like for four days, you know, 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.280 and and to show up for the practice rounds and 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.160 to play the pro and all of the stuff that 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.560 it takes to to go out there and win, you know, 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.920 it's just it's I we find that we found it fascinating. 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.000 And it's been interesting because a lot of the a 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:22.800 lot of the team that we had on this series 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:26.000 had come over from Drive to Survive and they fell 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.520 in love with the players as characters and their spouses 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.760 as characters, and their coaches as characters, and their caddies 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.560 as characters. And it's just it takes a very special, 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.840 certain kind of crazy person to do this for a living, 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:38.719 and to be out there for a living, not just 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.600 as a player, but as a caddy or as a coach, 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.440 or as even a spouse to somebody who's on the 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.320 road for three d days out of the year and like, 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.440 and it's just a fascinating world. And I think it's 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.520 it's so cool and and I'm I'm saying that as 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.040 a producer and as a as a storyteller, not just 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.800 as a fan. UM. And I hope that everybody who 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.520 sees it, you know, feels the same way. UM, without 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:03.080 obviously spoil doing anything that happens. UM. What type of 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:04.840 players are we going to be able to see over 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.520 the course of the eight episodes. I mean, I think 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.560 the fans have heard rumors about who's on board, who's 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.160 not on board, UM, But you know, who can the 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.160 player who can the viewers expect to to kind of 0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:18.600 get a glimpse of their lives. Yeah, I think you're 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:22.200 gonna see, you know, a really good mix of Top 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.320 ten players and you know, the players who are really 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.600 at the top of the game, contending in majors and 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:32.160 winning majors and and you know, playing as well as 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.680 you can and like really leading the game for the 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.640 most elite level. I think we've got a lot of that. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:38.440 We have almost all of those players on board of 0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:40.560 the series. We also wanted to make sure that we 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.920 were telling some stories that were sort of from people 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.080 who are on the outside of that, like top you know, 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.280 Top twenty group, and so there's some great stories about 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.120 what it's like to you know, to to just make 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:52.960 a living on the tour and how do you rev 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.640 yourself up to go and compete, you know, and being 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.280 the seventy fifth golfer and seventy five best golfer in 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.480 the world or something like that. And then we also 0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:04.160 kind of came across this like the rookies angle, which is, uh, 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:06.360 you know, a story that is a lot of fun 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.120 and and being out there for the first time, you know, 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.560 it really is a traveling circus. In some ways, we 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.480 were like rookies this year to like making the show. 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.040 A lot of times we're showing up at events for 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.000 the first time and we're like, we don't know where 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.080 to park. We're trying to figure out where we're supposed 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.360 to go to get excrudential and like, and then we 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.560 go with our rookie characters and they're like in the 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.719 same boat, you know, like I'm supposed to be over here, 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:27.160 but I parked in the wrong spot, and like I 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:28.920 don't know where I'm gonna eat tonight, and it's all 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.680 there's just like a freshness to it. So so yeah, 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:33.760 I think that you're really we really do have a 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.640 full spectrum of like pro golf, you know, from the 0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.680 top players in the world to players who are brand 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.880 new playing out there um and and seeing what it's 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.040 like to really get every facet of that experience. And 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.840 you know, players who are made who have made tens 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:50.920 and tens of millions of dollars playing pro golf, and 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.120 players who are just making that first million dollars out 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.360 there you like and that, and just see them like 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.960 stand on the tea together. It's like it's fascinating, and 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:00.320 then to be able to go out out there and 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.280 compete against each other is is it sets up for 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.880 some very epic scenes that you know, I think people 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:07.760 are gonna really love and and you know, really the 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.240 golf is the payoff, like the competition is the payoff. 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.600 But so much of the core of the series is 0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.400 really off the course. It's like embedding in these players 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.600 lives and really feeling like you're there with them. You know. 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.400 The best thing that we can do as story tellerge 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.200 for a show like this is to like disappear, you know, 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.160 like and and and actually just random story. But like 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.000 the first event where you met us, the Tory Finds, 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.000 we showed up. We had movie cameras, you know, like 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.440 big mat boxes and lights and all this stuff, and 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.000 we're looking like walking around like we're you know, Steven 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:40.040 Spielberg out there, and we by the end of the season, 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.160 we had like stripped the cameras down but basically like 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.520 nothing almost like they're like still cameras, and and we 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.240 were just trying to disappear, you know, because the less 0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:50.080 they felt us, the more they were real, and the 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.120 more they really opened up. And I think like even 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.200 even We learned how to make this show as we 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.320 were doing it, and you know, as that trust was 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.800 built with the players and as they started to recognize 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.520 us and see us out there. Um and and you know, 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.240 our hope is that we get to do this for many, 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:07.920 many years. You know, going forward, you mentioned players involved. Um, 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.880 there was a rumor. I mean I noticed Rory wasn't. Yeah, 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.320 he didn't seem to have the group of people following 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.080 him around. He didn't seem to be miked up in 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.960 the beginning. Um. I heard some people saying that. Um, 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.640 he eventually came to you guys and said he wanted 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.640 to be a part of the show, which I think 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.840 is fantastic. I mean, I Rory is one of my 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.280 favorite guys on the PGA tour. I like him. Um, 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:35.000 He's funny, he's smart, he's he's a thinker, he's curious. Um. 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.720 Any truth to that that that he's going to be involved. Yeah, yeah, No, 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.800 Rory's Rory's a big part of the show. And uh, 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.800 and wasn't at the beginning. Um, And we he did 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.720 not come to us. We pursued him for you know, 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.120 a year and a half, two years, And you know, 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.120 I think Rory rightly, you know, in his mind like 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.080 wanted to focus on golf and and he had you know, 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.120 there's a lot going on obviously in his life and 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.720 with his with his play, but also with his family 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.000 and and with his daughter and just like you know, 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.280 everything else that's going on in Roy McCoy's life. Um, 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.280 but we were filming all season, and we kept noticing 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.440 that Rory would like pop into the frame, you know, 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.560 like we'd be shooting in the locker room and he'd 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.080 like come over and sit down and like and and 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.120 he you know, he is just such a magnetic personality 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:24.799 that like, you know, he walks into a room and 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.040 like it changes that the temperature of the room, just 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.360 because that's just who Rory is. And so you know, 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.960 we worked worked in and worked in and you know, 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.920 and and got to a place where when we you know, 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.880 I sat down with him for a breakfast and and 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.799 basically just said, you know, I think I think it's 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:41.799 you gotta jump in. I think we gotta I think 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.920 we gotta tell this story now. You know, like with 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.040 everything that you're working towards and what you're doing in 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:49.279 the game as a player and as kind of like 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.279 this ambassador for the sport. I think we we don't 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.520 want to wait another year, like we should do it now, 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.160 and and you know, to his credit, he was like, yeah, man, 0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:00.520 let's do it, and and very typical roy fashion, like 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.680 he says, we're in. And then from that moment on, 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.719 you know, he probably give us more access than anybody else, 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.560 you know, because that's who Roar he is, and everything 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:11.960 that guy says is like gold. So you know you're 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.800 just like he is. Because you said he's not he 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.480 does not talking sound bites. He thinks, thinks through, he's 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.560 he's got a brilliant he's got a brilliant mind. But 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.279 he also has that charisma that you know, you just 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.560 can't teach. And you can just see how that whole 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.839 package comes together to create, you know, a player that's 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.239 like generationally great. Um, but I think as you said, 0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:32.840 I mean just being around him, like he's not just 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.719 a great player, I mean he's a great person and 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.279 a great you know, he's just a really compelling you know, 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.600 it's just a really compounding character, you know. So yes 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:43.440 it was. He was not a part of the show 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.480 at the beginning, but um, you know, plans change and 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.600 and we were really lucky to add him at the 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:54.719 kind of at the eleventh hour. He doesn't take a 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.279 genius to figure out why Roy mclroy needed to be 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.959 a part of the show in this crea easy last 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:07.440 year of Um, the whole PGA Tour live thing, UM, 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.240 I mean it was crazy for us, UM going through it. Um. 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.560 You know, I look at the tour when I was 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.120 talking to you guys and meeting you guys for the 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.800 first time back in in you know, January, late January 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.120 early February of of of last year. I could have 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:27.000 never envisioned what that year would have looked like. UM, 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:31.360 you guys obviously from a TV standpoint and from you know, 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:36.720 a creative standpoint, the PGA Tour, UM Live Debate, battle 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:41.040 Ship Show, I mean, that's that's that's gold for you guys. 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.720 As as a storyline, how did you guys say, Okay, 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:49.040 how do we cover this? Um? And then also you've 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.239 got to deal with the fact that you're covering the 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:55.359 p G A tour and basically halfway through the year, 0:36:55.880 --> 0:37:00.600 the PGA Tour as we know it somewhat changes. UM. 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.800 The boys in Ponto bdra Um Jay and the Boys 0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.959 of the PGA tour obviously have an idea of how 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:12.000 they want their product to be viewed put out. So 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.520 how did you guys behind the scenes as the ones 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.319 trying to chronicle this, um, I mean, do you take 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:21.839 on at that point just a pure We're just gonna 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.520 film and the story is going to tell itself and 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:29.759 we just basically become reporters and ask the questions. Yeah. Yeah, 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.200 Well I think it's interesting because, like you use the 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.920 word cover it, and I think, like, you know, for 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:38.239 a for an immersive documentary series like this, like we 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.440 we would never describe it that way, Like it's not 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:43.080 We're not really there to cover anything. We're there to 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.120 observe and to be sort of a fly on the wall, 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.319 because what we're trying to do is show viewers like 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.799 what it was like, which is very different from sort 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.640 of covering it, commentating on it, having a take, Like 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.799 the show doesn't really like never was designed to have 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.280 a take. The show is there to bring you inside 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:01.759 the world of progolf in a way that no one's 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.640 ever seen before. And when we started filming, we had 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.960 a bunch of players that we're members of the PGA Tour. 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.880 By the time we finished filming. Some of those players 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.680 were no longer members of the tour, but they're still 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:15.680 part of the show, and we wanted to make sure 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.000 that we were we were like living up to our 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.279 kind of promises to them, which was we were going 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.240 to just be a fly on the wall in your life. 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.520 If you let us in, we're gonna tell your story. 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.520 And and that's the approach that we took, is like, 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.120 we're it's not our job to shape a narrative. Our 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.520 job is to show up with the cameras, turn them on, 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.200 and and make the player feel like we're not there 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.480 in the room. And I think that you'll I think 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:39.640 that that is the piece of it that I probably 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.160 most proud of the way of that length, that storyline 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.800 unfolds in the series across you know, multiple episodes and 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.000 multiple characters and multiple points of view. I think it's 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:51.520 it's um. I think we were fair to everybody involved 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.880 as to you know, letting them be the ones that 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.399 drive how those stories are told, you know, because it's 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.560 in their own words. You know, there's no narration in 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.560 this show. There's no narrative. There's no voice of God, 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.920 there's no voice over, there's there's the verity scenes that 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.760 we filmed with the players and there's them talking about 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.319 what it was like, and you know, we were trying 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:10.959 to be as true to that as we possibly could. 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.120 So obviously you know, from a from an interest and 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.960 from a storytelling standpoint and a creating rivalries and just 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:21.080 you know and drama like, yeah, you could not have 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.600 asked for a richer tapestry to to do something like 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.279 this within because all of a sudden, you know, the 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.640 stakes just got a lot bigger than who was gonna 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.160 win that week, um, you know, and who was on 0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.480 a major drought versus you know, it was playing slow 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.080 or all those things that we you know, I thought 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.920 maybe was going to be some of the storylines. Um 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:40.960 and And I think what's interesting is you really do 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.280 get a sense of the players, whichever side of that 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.719 they fall, Like you can see in their personalities, like, 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.080 you know, kind of how they ended up where they 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:51.440 ended up at the end of the year, you know, 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.120 in terms of like what they the way they think 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.480 about their their business and their life and their game 0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:00.200 and their families versus you know, yeah, all those other things. 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:04.320 So it's um, it's it's really been a fascinating experience 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.279 and obviously we could not have planned for anything like 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.600 this to happen, and just so happened that we were there, 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.320 and um, you know, we're pumped for you for everybody 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:16.120 to watch it. Um, you mentioned that, I think that's interesting. 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:20.680 You guys are chronicling as opposed to covering. But the 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.319 fact that all of this stuff happened in two and 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:27.799 the cameras were rolling that you you guys were all 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.160 there and you were getting, as you said, you were 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.640 getting what people were saying about all of these events 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:36.399 in their own words. Um, was there any pressure externally 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.680 when all of this happened, because obviously it's great storytelling 0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:44.080 for you guys as as as people. You know, you're like, Okay, 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:48.239 this is crazy that this is happening. It's great for 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:53.040 us that we're doing this. But also there it was 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.600 about the p g A tour. Was there pressure externally 0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:02.080 for you guys to push this in a direction, because, 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:06.080 like you said, you're not you're not covering, You're trying 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.360 to tell a story. But it would have been easy 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.320 for someone to say, Okay, the story has now changed, 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.680 we need you to focus on this part. Yeah, I 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.880 mean we the PGA Tour has been really amazing to 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:20.960 work with throughout the whole process, and I'd say the 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.000 same thing about all the major governing bodies. And you know, 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.239 when we showed up, we asked for access and we 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.440 said we're gonna we're gonna follow those stories as they develop, 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.880 and they really like lived up to that in terms 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.720 of not exerting any kind of editorial pressure on the series. 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.719 You know, there's a lot of trust mutually that like 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.279 we would be focusing on the players, and I think 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.960 that's like that's where we kept coming back to, is 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.520 like does this matter to the player? Like if we 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.600 are if you have given us access to your life, 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.560 Like what's important to the show is what's important to you, 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:56.160 the player. And so to the extent that the drama 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:59.160 of Live in the PGA Tour is expressed in a series, 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.279 it's really through the perspective of players and sort of 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.400 both sides of it. And we really tried not to 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.960 like editorialize it because it's it is like it is 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.440 about the players, and and that was true. Showing up 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.560 at the majors, same thing. You know, there's some majors 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.399 that have a lot of tradition and a lot of 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.040 you know, the way they're covered and the way that 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.960 the broadcast is presented, and like, you know, we we 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.360 showed up and said, like, we're not here to to 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.719 do the story of this tournament. We're here to do 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.200 the story of what it's like to play in it 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:28.000 as a player. That's the difference. You know, you could 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.080 make a doc about your major, you could make a 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.960 doc about the you know, hundred fifties Open Championship, but like, 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.000 what we want is to show people what it was 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.160 like to compete in that from with months of lead up, 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.080 you know, getting to that moment standing on that tea 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.160 and hitting that shot on the seventy second hole. Like 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.600 that's that's the feeling that we're trying to get. And 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.480 I think it just it gave us some space to 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.200 like let the stories tell themselves and unfold as we 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.120 were as we were in it, because our only narrative 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.200 was like again, showing people what it was like to 0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.160 be one of those players in the middle of all 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:05.640 of this. Lastly, UM Chat, what do you think the 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:09.000 viewers that see this next week, um and over the 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.080 course of the remaining episodes, what do you think they'll 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:16.160 be most surprised about. I think that they will be 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:20.360 most surprised at the Boston fans at the US Open 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:24.640 and how much ship talking there was there. No I mean, 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.880 every time I watched the episode that really centers on 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.760 that tournament, I'm just shocked by like how much chatter 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:32.319 is going on, and you just never see that on 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:36.080 the broadcast. Like it's it's crazy, Like we hear it NonStop. 0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.880 I know, I know, I'm like at the biggest golf 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.680 nerd ever and I had no idea how intense that 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.400 is and how you can tune it out. So I mean, 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.520 it's kind of a mundane thing. I don't I probably 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.320 have a better answer to that, but like, but just 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.279 that and of itself like blows me away that how 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:52.960 you could like get your head in the moment to 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.480 like actually not listen to anything and like going execute. 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:57.920 I think like the other big takeaway, I think what 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.279 what I'm really excited about is like, you know, this 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.720 world is a traveling circus and it's the same people 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:09.360 showing up weekend and week out each other. It's like, yeah, 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:11.800 it is, and and I think you you probably noticed 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:13.800 that it is like high school. There's the cool kids, 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:18.160 there's the nerds, there's the breakups. It's heard these two people. 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.560 It is. People always ask you, what's the PJ tour look. 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:22.840 I'm like, it's like it's like high school. It's like 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:24.680 being in high school. Every year. You see the same 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.960 people every single week. It's the same, the same kind 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:32.720 of thing. And um, I hope that you make them. 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.560 I'm hoping that the circus part of it looks um Chad, 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.840 that you and your team and um, you guys have 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:42.200 done a great job at making the circus element look 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:44.359 much cooler than it is. Because let me tell you, 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.080 if you guys can make all that ship look glamorous, 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.200 because yes, the private jets are great, and yes, all 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.799 this stuff, but none of us. I always say that 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:55.120 to people, Oh you fly away on private Jess, Like, 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.680 I'm never going anywhere that I want to go. It's 0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:59.560 not it's not like it's not like I'm going to 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.480 you know, Coachella with with a bunch of people. Like 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:06.520 we're just going from point A to point B, and yeah, 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:11.680 it gets us there faster, but it's it's certainly not glamorous. Yeah, yeah, 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.840 I mean it's hard to not consider private jets glamorous 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.960 in some respect. They are like time machines for when 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.399 you have one of them. I totally get that. I think, like, 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.440 you know, but the high school analogy is a great one. 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:24.520 I mean there's there's a great scene where like we 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.320 have a player who we are having to be following, 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.200 and you know, this is not a top ten player, 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.840 somebody who's journeyman, who's like not I would say journeyman, 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:33.960 but someone who's like really just finding their place on 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.239 the you know, in pro golf. And like to show 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.480 about a major, like go into the player dining area 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:41.920 and like look for a place to sit and there's 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.360 like the three biggest golfers in the world at a 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:45.920 table with like an empty seat, and it's like do 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:47.640 you sit down with them, like you just played a 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.120 great round, Like did you earn a spot that table 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.160 or not? Like or do you just go walk by 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:53.920 and say like hey guys you know in the league. 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.040 And it's like that played out a real time was 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:57.879 as we were filming, and we're like, oh my god, 0:45:57.960 --> 0:45:59.680 this is high school like all over again, you know. 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.400 And and it's just like you see the players on television, 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.399 you're watching them compete. You don't realize that like these 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.680 guys have blockers next to each other every single week. 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.239 They're in the trailer working out together every single week. 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:11.680 Like they know so much about each other's games and 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.200 about each other's lives and like what's going on and 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.080 it's uh. And they played like money games all the time, 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.719 Like there's just so much like trying to get an 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.160 edge all the time, and it's just it's the whole 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:26.600 thing is is fascinating And it's been a joy and 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.279 really a dream come true for me to get to 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:32.160 like and like drop into it. And and we've been 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.440 really lucky that the players have like really bought in 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.440 and they get what it is. And you know, credit 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.200 Drive Survived for a lot of that, Like a lot 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:39.600 of the players are big fans of that show, so 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.279 they kind of understood what you're trying to do. But 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.000 it's very different to say that you watch Drive to 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:45.680 Survive and then to like let the cameras into your 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:47.720 house when you're in the final group at a major 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.120 like in the morning. That was another one where I 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:51.719 always wanted, like what do you do if you're in 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.920 that final group and you're teeing off at like two pm? 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:58.600 Like what do you do Sunday morning, like seven o'clock. 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.320 What are you gonna do? You watch the term tournament? 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.280 Do you play video games? You talk to your family, 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.520 what do you It's like, well, you're gonna see what 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.319 you do because we were there and and uh, you know, 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:09.839 it's just like all those little moments, you know, come 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.200 together to make something. I think that is really special 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.759 and we're really proud of Well, I I for one, 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:17.800 and you know, I'm really excited. I can't wait to 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.759 see it. Um. I hope that I'm in it. And 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:22.279 I hope you made me look cool. That's all I 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:28.000 want to say, because I don't. Oh yeah, hey, listen, congrats. UM. 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:31.560 I know it was a big, big workload for you guys, 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:35.359 and uh, I can honestly say for everyone listening, Um 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.919 you everybody listen. You have no idea how hard you know, Chad, 0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.840 you and your team, you guys every single week. Um, 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.760 you guys did a great job. And I am really excited. 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:50.880 Is there going to be season two? Stay tuned on? 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.480 That wouldn't get me the exclusive Thanks for that. I 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.680 appreciate it. Listen, chat, I'm excited. Um, congrats on on 0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:00.759 everything that you guys have done and I think everybody, 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:02.759 uh is going to be really excited to see it. 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:06.480 I'm gonna watch and UM, you know, congrats, thank you 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:12.560 so much. Cold. It's been a lot of fun. So 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.080 that was Chad mom, And like I said at the beginning, 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.680 I'm really really excited to see this. Um. It was 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.879 fun to to watch. Um, you know, all these new 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:23.719 people come to the PGA tour and and listen, when 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.000 you're when you're working with players in an individual sport. 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:27.400 I think one of the things that it was it 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:29.959 was a steep learning curve for Chad and his entire 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.719 crew and and the whole Netflix team. Um, it's not 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.360 like a team sport, you know, it's not like, um, 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.800 everybody practices at the same time, and so tour players 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.040 can be a little bit of a moving target. So UM, 0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:43.479 you know, I think Chad and the crew have done 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.359 an amazing job. I haven't seen any of it yet, 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:50.280 but justin watching, um you know how hard they worked, UM, 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.400 the amount of hours they put in, and how they 0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.839 really did a great job at gaining everybody's trust. Because 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:58.160 that's the other thing I mean, when when something like 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.239 this is pitched, it sounds like a great idea, but 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.480 then when you realize if you're one of the players 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.120 that was a part of this and and and I 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.920 went through this and being around um DJ when the 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.319 cameras around, I mean, you have to realize that they're 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:14.560 going to be around and and be taping and it's 0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:17.120 it's crazy, and um I think it's gonna be cool. 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.080 The teasers look great. I think everybody's going to get 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:23.880 a really really unique insight into um what life is 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.400 like as a UM as a touring professional. And I 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.160 can't wait to see it. And hopefully all I'm going 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.279 to say is for the limited amount that I'm in 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.719 this thing, hopefully they make me look good. So uh, 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.880 I hope everybody watches again. It comes out full swing 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:44.320 on Netflix February. Go check it out. Thanks everybody for listening. 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:46.799 Son of a which comes to you every Wednesday. We 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:49.360 will see you all next week.