Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest,
Speaker 1: Uh something that I'm really really excited about Chad mom,
Speaker 1: the executive producer of the new Netflix golf documentary Full Swing,
Speaker 1: which comes out February. UM. I think everybody's been seeing
Speaker 1: some of the trailers. I had a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to Chad a couple of weeks ago, and UM, I
Speaker 1: was I was a small part of this. They were
Speaker 1: miking everybody up last year, UM on the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: and as a coach, UM, I got miked up. So
Speaker 1: I think I'm in this thing. I don't think I'll
Speaker 1: have too many speaking roles, but UM, listen, it's it's
Speaker 1: going to be uh something that everybody who's in golf
Speaker 1: is gonna want to watch. And I think it's going
Speaker 1: to give everybody kind of a unique insight to what
Speaker 1: it's like, UM to be on the PGA Tour. It's
Speaker 1: a traveling circus. I've been doing it for more than
Speaker 1: two decades, and I think when when when you see it,
Speaker 1: and when you see what everybody who plays professional golf,
Speaker 1: the caddies, the coaches, the players, the agents, the wives,
Speaker 1: the girlfriends, what everybody has to go through. UM. I
Speaker 1: think it will give everybody a different perspective. UM and
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, if you watch some of
Speaker 1: the teasers, you've got the impulter saying, I mean, what
Speaker 1: an amazing year that you chose to do that with
Speaker 1: everything that's happened in the last twelve months. So I'm
Speaker 1: excited about it. But before we get to the interview,
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Speaker 1: straight to the interview with Chad mom So Chad. The
Speaker 1: new Netflix UM Kind of Golf documentary Full Swing comes
Speaker 1: out next week, eight episodes. Um, you put out a
Speaker 1: tweet you're answering somebody, but you said, if I had
Speaker 1: turned the script in for this show this year, it
Speaker 1: would have been rejected because nobody would have believed. Um,
Speaker 1: it was possible. Um, I met all you guys. You
Speaker 1: guys were out in San Diego, UM at Tory Pines,
Speaker 1: and you guys were I can people up and it
Speaker 1: was all kind of new. You just just no way
Speaker 1: you guys could have envisioned that this is what the
Speaker 1: hell was going to happen in professional golf while you
Speaker 1: had the cameras rolling in unlimited access for twelve months.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's it is. It's truly crazy. And I
Speaker 1: don't think, like I said, we could not have written
Speaker 1: a script. It would have been thrown out. Netflix would
Speaker 1: have said, like keep trying, because this is too unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Um just a just the macro story of what happened
Speaker 1: in pro golf, but also the individuals stories, the character stories.
Speaker 1: You know, players that we started filming with um kind
Speaker 1: of a little bit like unexpectedly and they go on
Speaker 1: and win a major championship. Like it just being in
Speaker 1: the room at the right time, it felt like we
Speaker 1: were there for every moment and and it just so
Speaker 1: happened that, like we picked you know, justin Thomas, were like,
Speaker 1: he's playing great, Let's go into Southern Hills and we
Speaker 1: see what happens. We're also with Mito that same week,
Speaker 1: and we're also with Matt Fitzpatrick that week, and you know,
Speaker 1: just of all the players in the cast to sort
Speaker 1: of say, hey, these are gonna be our focus is
Speaker 1: for for that event. Just as one example, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you get a major winner, you get someone who has
Speaker 1: one of the most dramatic you know, final holes in
Speaker 1: major championship history, and then you get a guy who's
Speaker 1: in the final pair and can't get it done coming
Speaker 1: back with the next major to win. It's just the
Speaker 1: storylines were amazing on the course obviously, you know, storylines
Speaker 1: off the course have just been there's just never been
Speaker 1: more people thinking about professional golf, and uh yeah, we're
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't believe it. You know, sometimes the
Speaker 1: universe like, sometimes the universe just hands it to you,
Speaker 1: and in this case, we really we couldn't have had
Speaker 1: a better year to start this thing. Hey, that week
Speaker 1: at Southern Hills, I recorded Mito Pereira earlier in the
Speaker 1: week for my podcast that week and for the following week,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, please win, please win, please win. Um
Speaker 1: why golf, Chad? I mean, obviously, I think everybody has
Speaker 1: seen the success of Drive to Survive when that came
Speaker 1: out on Formula One. Chad, I can remember. I mean
Speaker 1: I always been a huge F one fan. I lived
Speaker 1: in Europe for a long time, so it's always been
Speaker 1: a huge, you know, sport that I followed. But during
Speaker 1: the pandemic, when when the tour kind of started again, everybody,
Speaker 1: all the guys that I was working with, we're all
Speaker 1: staying in houses. We weren't going out, we weren't doing anything.
Speaker 1: And I remember one night I was staying with Brooks,
Speaker 1: were at Memorial and they had this basement with this
Speaker 1: big TV and He's like, find us something to watch
Speaker 1: this week, you know, So I went down and we
Speaker 1: got done having dinner and his brother was staying there
Speaker 1: and his caddy and everything, and I said, have you
Speaker 1: guys seen Drive to Survive? Because I was binge watching
Speaker 1: all of it, and they're like, what's it about. I
Speaker 1: was like, Formula one and they're like, okay, well watch
Speaker 1: a couple episodes stuff. We stayed up till almost three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning watching the whole thing. And it's subsequently,
Speaker 1: how many of the p G A Tour players now
Speaker 1: are following Formula one? I mean we I've met Carlos Science,
Speaker 1: who's an F one driver through um watching that and
Speaker 1: he's a big golfer. Lando Norris a big golfer DJ
Speaker 1: and I played with Lando and um, Carlos. I mean,
Speaker 1: but why golf? Because I mean, obviously one is a huge,
Speaker 1: huge reach, but three, I mean his golf as big
Speaker 1: as that. And why did you guys choose it? Well,
Speaker 1: I want to get to your question in a second,
Speaker 1: but actually that prompted maybe a funny, like a little
Speaker 1: behind the scenes story that I haven't told anybody. So
Speaker 1: that was at the memorial when you had that when
Speaker 1: you watch it with Brooks, So I think we did
Speaker 1: a zoom with him like a month later, and it
Speaker 1: was us pitching the show, like getting trying to get
Speaker 1: players involved in Brooks. You know, he was top of
Speaker 1: my list for players that I thought, nobody knows who
Speaker 1: this guy really is. I want to get I want
Speaker 1: to get in there in his life and really just
Speaker 1: figure out who this guy is because I I've always
Speaker 1: found Brooks to be just a fascinating character. Be be
Speaker 1: careful with that, because, um, I've got I know, I've got,
Speaker 1: I've gotten in out and back in on that it.
Speaker 1: Brooks can be Brooks. But you're right, Brooks is a
Speaker 1: character that the player that I know off the golf
Speaker 1: course is vastly different than the player that you see
Speaker 1: on the golf Every time I post a video of
Speaker 1: Brooks hitting a golf ball, it's just every comment on
Speaker 1: the social feats bro the guy doesn't practice, he hates
Speaker 1: practicing and stuff, And I'm like, you guys don't actually
Speaker 1: know anything about these plays anything. Yeah, well well so
Speaker 1: so my to kind of finish the story Brooks. But yes,
Speaker 1: I hear you, Um he had. We were trying to
Speaker 1: get in touch with him and like it just you know,
Speaker 1: there was like no interest or we weren't you know here,
Speaker 1: hadn't heard back or anything like that. And then like
Speaker 1: a month, I guess after the memorial, we get a
Speaker 1: zoom with him, and that's when this was all starting
Speaker 1: to get kind of real, you know. And and I
Speaker 1: remember waking up because it's I'm in l you know,
Speaker 1: based in l A. He's he's in Jupiter. Like it
Speaker 1: was maybe it's like seven in the morning or something,
Speaker 1: or even like maybe six am on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: and I'm like sitting in my little office in my house,
Speaker 1: you know, with a cup of coffee, and like Brooks
Speaker 1: kept pops up on my zoom and that was like
Speaker 1: one of the cooler, like face to face moments of like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this thing could really happen. And and
Speaker 1: I start kind of pitching why what we're trying to do,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, yeah, no. We we watched all
Speaker 1: of Drive to Survive like a month ago. He's like,
Speaker 1: I started watching it, you know, my coach was saying
Speaker 1: we should go check it out, and it was great
Speaker 1: and everybody was talking about it, like, you know. Then
Speaker 1: we end up in a basement. He's like, and I
Speaker 1: stayed up all night watching the whole thing. I watched
Speaker 1: every episode. He's like, I love it. Now I've watched
Speaker 1: everything of season two. He's like, I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1: I totally get what this is. When do we start, basically,
Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of like he totally got it.
Speaker 1: And so I mean the drive to survive effect. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't overstate it. I think, like to come back
Speaker 1: to your questions sort of why golf, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it has to start for me, like personally, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I run Box Media Studios. We make goes
Speaker 1: for Netflix and Hulu and Hbo and you know, a
Speaker 1: bunch of different streamers much in the networks, and we
Speaker 1: make all kinds of different shows, make food shows, make
Speaker 1: true crime shows, we make you know, infotainment. We do
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff scripted shows. But I have been
Speaker 1: a golf a player in my entire life. I sort
Speaker 1: of grew up in the game. My dad was in
Speaker 1: the military, are my grandfather was in the military. Just
Speaker 1: kind of grew up playing military golf courses. It was
Speaker 1: like a way for me to stay busy, you know,
Speaker 1: and and just like golf became such a part of
Speaker 1: my life. And then especially when I was, you know,
Speaker 1: in eighth grade with Tiger is just like two thousand.
Speaker 1: Tiger was just you know doing I mean it was
Speaker 1: like changing in the world and the most famous athlete
Speaker 1: ever and and I just completely fell head over heels
Speaker 1: for the game. And and so, you know, for me,
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do something in golf, and this
Speaker 1: has been like a real like labor of love to
Speaker 1: bring this project to life over a period of like
Speaker 1: you know, half a decade of of like working out
Speaker 1: how to bring this thing to fruition. And and so
Speaker 1: for me it was always like, how do we how
Speaker 1: do we do something really interesting with this sport that
Speaker 1: has been such a part of my life. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was never gonna be a competitor like played, you know,
Speaker 1: on the tour, even though maybe I dreamed that when
Speaker 1: I was like thirteen or fourteen, But then you kind
Speaker 1: of get to play with some really good players and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, no, that's not for you. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think like thinking about where golf is,
Speaker 1: you know, after through the pandemic and even now it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, golf, especially professional golf, you know, even before
Speaker 1: the events of this year, has been at an inflection point.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a generational athlete and Tiger who's
Speaker 1: you know, playing less and less, and you know, we're
Speaker 1: all excited to see him every time he comes out.
Speaker 1: But like there's a transition and you have all these
Speaker 1: younger players who are changing the game in their own way,
Speaker 1: who are much more comfortable with social media and talking
Speaker 1: to audiences directly, and they're like not as intermediated by like,
Speaker 1: you know, the media. I mean they can talk directly
Speaker 1: to fans on Twitter, on Instagram, on podcasts like this,
Speaker 1: and there's a whole new slew of golf media that like,
Speaker 1: like what you're doing here that is like brought a
Speaker 1: different type of fan into the game, a younger fan,
Speaker 1: people who are you know, trying to get better, trying
Speaker 1: to follow professional golf in different ways, you know, try
Speaker 1: to get inside that sport. And you've also seen like
Speaker 1: golf popularity explode in terms of participation, so all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, people who we're not playing golf
Speaker 1: are picking it up because it's one of the few
Speaker 1: things you could do during the pandemic that was safe
Speaker 1: and all kinds of you know, that's been great for golf,
Speaker 1: great for equipment, companies. From sure, it's been great for coaches, um.
Speaker 1: And I think that the last pieces, like the golf
Speaker 1: has become a lifestyle in a way that like maybe
Speaker 1: is it hasn't been like that since like I don't know,
Speaker 1: the era of like the rat Pack and Big Crosby
Speaker 1: and Bob Hope and and that o g kind of
Speaker 1: like sixties era golf, you know vibe. But you know,
Speaker 1: like look at what you're wearing right now. It's like
Speaker 1: that's it's a golf jacket. Like it's it's like, golf
Speaker 1: is cool. It's a lifestyle now. And I think people,
Speaker 1: I think all of that adds up to this like
Speaker 1: buzz and interests around the sport and around the game.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that makes it so compelling
Speaker 1: from a storytelling perspective is, you know, sort of unlike
Speaker 1: almost any other pro sport, including formula one, I mean,
Speaker 1: it is entirely on the shoulders of the player. I
Speaker 1: mean there is no more individual sport than golf. Um.
Speaker 1: You are out there on an island and you know
Speaker 1: it is it is a fascinating way to get inside
Speaker 1: the head and inside the lives of some of these
Speaker 1: players who kind of do this at such a high
Speaker 1: level um and the way the sport you know, takes
Speaker 1: place in un folds over a week, you know, across
Speaker 1: four days, and then across the season. It just creates
Speaker 1: so much opportunity for storytelling because you know, all those
Speaker 1: guys who play pro goolf, I mean, they you stand
Speaker 1: next to them on the range, and I love That's
Speaker 1: still my I still love doing that, you know, showing
Speaker 1: up at an event, just walking up and down the range,
Speaker 1: just hearing the sound it makes, you know, and you
Speaker 1: stand next to someone who's like Hunred fifty in the world,
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's the best golfer I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life, you know, and it's just one by one.
Speaker 1: Just the talent and skill is amazing. And then you
Speaker 1: get inside the heads of these elite top players and
Speaker 1: you see what they do in their lives and what
Speaker 1: what sort of takes them to that next level. And
Speaker 1: and then and also just the humanity that comes with
Speaker 1: something so humbling is golf. I mean, there's we we've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like Tiger really, and then maybe we'll
Speaker 1: never see anything like that again. You know, the parody
Speaker 1: in golf is really real, and the idea that anybody
Speaker 1: at any point could go out there and win it. Um.
Speaker 1: It makes it even more impressive to see those guys
Speaker 1: who really do you know, sort of rise above their
Speaker 1: peers and and and they all kind of approach it
Speaker 1: in really different ways. So we we've found that to
Speaker 1: be really fascinating. I think that I hope that you know,
Speaker 1: viewers of this show, you know, have that same feeling
Speaker 1: of like, never saw a golf in this way. And
Speaker 1: we're not trying to just reach golfers with this series,
Speaker 1: you know, I think golf is a giant global audience.
Speaker 1: There's lots of participation in the sport. But you know,
Speaker 1: our hope is that we are going to be able
Speaker 1: to humanize these athletes in a way that you know,
Speaker 1: brings non fans, non core golf fans into it, gets
Speaker 1: them excited about, you know, what's going on in professional golf,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe make some new fans of some
Speaker 1: of these players that you know aren't quite the same
Speaker 1: level of hustle names as you know, guys like Dustin
Speaker 1: and Brooks and DJ and yeah, Dustin and Brooks and
Speaker 1: Rory and JT and Jordan's speed and those kind of guys.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned, um, Tigers Tiger in the In the show,
Speaker 1: Tiger is a is a character that many of the
Speaker 1: storylines revolve around. Yeah, because, I mean it was interesting.
Speaker 1: I got to spend some time. I've met Carlos Science
Speaker 1: through Instagram and finally got I've met him a couple
Speaker 1: of times, but um, I got to meet him and
Speaker 1: his manager too. I think he's his is his cousin
Speaker 1: and he was saying, if you remember the first series
Speaker 1: of of of Drive to Survive for the people that
Speaker 1: watched it, Um, Lewis Hamilton's Mercedes Ferrari, they weren't in
Speaker 1: it at all. They were just characters. As you said,
Speaker 1: like Tiger will be a character, and you weren't getting
Speaker 1: first person interviews with anybody at Mercedes. You weren't getting
Speaker 1: first person interviews with anybody at um Ferrari. But obviously
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do something on formula, they are a
Speaker 1: part of the story. And at that time, Lewis Hamilton's
Speaker 1: is the best driver, He's winning the world championship, so
Speaker 1: Tiger will be a part of the storyline. Um, has
Speaker 1: it been interesting for you all when you're interviewing all
Speaker 1: of these players chat too, to see just what an
Speaker 1: impact Tiger has had on golf. But this new younger
Speaker 1: generation of players. I mean, I've been around Tiger since
Speaker 1: three when my dad was his coach, and I was
Speaker 1: around it for ten years, and um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a storyteller to a lot of
Speaker 1: these young players because they never saw Tiger play. They've
Speaker 1: only seen him on Golf Channel and reruns. They've only
Speaker 1: seen the YouTube clips, so they really were around him.
Speaker 1: And this kind of Tiger two point oh winning the
Speaker 1: Masters again, coming back and playing and forging these relationships
Speaker 1: with these younger players. Um, they're getting to see Tiger,
Speaker 1: but he has. He has been such a huge, huge
Speaker 1: figure in our sport. Yeah, no doubt, and and you know,
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating. And not that I was
Speaker 1: surprised because you know, in many ways, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in that same generation as some of those players
Speaker 1: that you're mentioning. Maybe maybe you know, maybe one half
Speaker 1: generation older than them. But you know, for me, like
Speaker 1: I said, I grew up watching Tiger as a young
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a end of middle school,
Speaker 1: high school kid. You know, never got to you know,
Speaker 1: obviously never played with him. Or anything like that in
Speaker 1: junior all for anything. He was already on the tour
Speaker 1: and winning you know, many many measures. Um. But when
Speaker 1: we first started the show, the first thing we did
Speaker 1: is and this is this is something that uh Paul
Speaker 1: and James from Box to Box, who are partners on
Speaker 1: this show, who make Drive to Survive UM. This is
Speaker 1: something that they've been doing for many years where the
Speaker 1: first interviews we do with players, we sit them down
Speaker 1: just no cameras, just talk audio and let them be
Speaker 1: free and you know, we're not worried about you know,
Speaker 1: how you look or the lighting and it's just a
Speaker 1: chance to get to know somebody and kind of getting
Speaker 1: their heads a little bit. And we went down to
Speaker 1: the Bahamas um at the end of and to the
Speaker 1: Hero World Challenge, and we sat in a recording studio
Speaker 1: that happened to be like justin timber Lake studio is
Speaker 1: like very cool place to introduce ourselves to the to
Speaker 1: the players for the first time. But every one of
Speaker 1: the guys who came in, like honestly to a man,
Speaker 1: had their own version of a story about how they
Speaker 1: were inspired by Tiger, and we never asked them. It
Speaker 1: was like what, you know, why are you a pro golfer?
Speaker 1: And they all had some version of that answer of
Speaker 1: being inspired by Tiger and what he meant to them
Speaker 1: as as a player and the impact he had, except
Speaker 1: for maybe Brooks, who I think he said he liked
Speaker 1: Adam Scott, but it was it was fascinating and like
Speaker 1: just to see there. You know, some guys like Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas obviously have have a really close relationship, you know,
Speaker 1: other other players who just watched those clips and we've
Speaker 1: seen how he approached the game and have tried to
Speaker 1: learn about, you know, how Tiger prepared himselves mentally and physically.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's there's one takeaway for from
Speaker 1: this shows. You'll see just how physical golf is and
Speaker 1: how these athletes get themselves in shape. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of like gym footage for a show about golf,
Speaker 1: which I think people will be excited to see some
Speaker 1: of the you know, how hard these athletes are working
Speaker 1: out and pushing their bodies, but also like the mental
Speaker 1: side of it, you know, how do you approach how
Speaker 1: do you approach the game? I think Tiger changed that,
Speaker 1: you know, in a in a really big way. And
Speaker 1: then obviously he introduced golf to like billions of people,
Speaker 1: you know, who wouldn't look twice at a at a
Speaker 1: at a you know, professional all tournament or at a
Speaker 1: PGA to our event. And you know, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden that became musty TV every time you teed it up.
Speaker 1: So you know, you can't really like overstate the impact
Speaker 1: the Tigers had and to see this year unfold, you know,
Speaker 1: with him returning at the Masters, you know, from his
Speaker 1: injury and what that meant to the players that we've
Speaker 1: been closely following, and and just how important and how
Speaker 1: much the vibe changes when he steps on side of
Speaker 1: the property. You mentioned the first time we that was
Speaker 1: at Torrey Pines. That was our first event shooting, and
Speaker 1: that was actually kind of our test run, like we
Speaker 1: were trying out, like how many players to let us
Speaker 1: put mikes on him? The answer is not that many
Speaker 1: at the beginning, you know, Well that was the other
Speaker 1: thing I mean, you guys, obviously nothing like this has
Speaker 1: ever been done in golf. And I think golfers, because
Speaker 1: they're not part of a team concept um, they can
Speaker 1: kind of, as you guys have found out, they can
Speaker 1: kind of do their own thing. Right, there's no, there's
Speaker 1: no team principle, there's no team manager, there's no team coach,
Speaker 1: saying because a lot of times, you guys would be
Speaker 1: coming up and going, hey, what time are you know?
Speaker 1: What time's DJ coming out? I'm like, I said, he'd
Speaker 1: be out of ten and you guys were all there
Speaker 1: at ten o'clock and he shows up at twelve o'clock
Speaker 1: and you guys are like it always like this. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: about ten years and it's been like this. But originally
Speaker 1: I think everybody, not everybody, but I think the majority
Speaker 1: of the people were they're scared, right because they don't know.
Speaker 1: And I kept saying to all the players that you
Speaker 1: know DJ Kip saying, hey, should I do this? Should
Speaker 1: I do this? I said, listen, they're not trying to
Speaker 1: make you look bad. This is not a gutcha piece.
Speaker 1: They don't want to get bad footage. Right, So, how
Speaker 1: have you guys bridge that gap? Was it? Did it
Speaker 1: take time? Because I kind of think tour players are
Speaker 1: a little bit like sometimes they can be like dogs,
Speaker 1: right if they if they see something they don't like
Speaker 1: or they haven't seen before, they don't know, they initially
Speaker 1: bark and then they'll kind of sniff around and if
Speaker 1: they see you on a regular basis, then they'll come up.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have any growing pains on having to
Speaker 1: say to the guys, listen, we're here to make you
Speaker 1: look good? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think it was
Speaker 1: it was a girl. It was like learning process and
Speaker 1: relationship driven thing, like from for the last two and
Speaker 1: a half years, you know, so from the first player
Speaker 1: to really say yes to this to like the last
Speaker 1: shoot we did in October, I guess maybe we had yeah,
Speaker 1: the last end of the end of October. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: we were always proving to the player that they could
Speaker 1: trust us, and it was never like we never took
Speaker 1: for granted that that access would remain, you know, that
Speaker 1: would be there the next week. So we any time
Speaker 1: a player let us in, you know, we wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure that they were heard, you know, that they
Speaker 1: felt heard and that they felt like we were part
Speaker 1: of the team, not the media, you know, and they're
Speaker 1: so there's so much media and golf so much focus
Speaker 1: and attention on everything that they say and the way
Speaker 1: that they're playing, and there's so much commentary. Like any
Speaker 1: pro sport, there's a lot of like a lot of
Speaker 1: media that sort of And and because they're not part
Speaker 1: of a team, there's no place for them to hide.
Speaker 1: For the most part, you know, they are facing those questions.
Speaker 1: There's get in front of the media, and that is
Speaker 1: pretty different from being on an NBA team or being
Speaker 1: in a on an NFL team or a racing team. Um.
Speaker 1: And so they like learn to you know, protect themselves
Speaker 1: as they should, you know. And and it's their own
Speaker 1: private lives. They're entitled to that privacy. Um. But what
Speaker 1: we really wanted to stress to them, and I think
Speaker 1: what we've proven to them, the guys that really leaned
Speaker 1: in is that like we aren't this isn't coming out
Speaker 1: like next week. It's not going to be out on
Speaker 1: Twitter like anything that we film, good or bad, Like
Speaker 1: we'll have the benefit of a year's worth of context.
Speaker 1: So like take you know, Matt Fitzpatrick, you could be
Speaker 1: there in his worst moment. He is in the final group,
Speaker 1: he's playing grade, He's in the final group at Southern
Speaker 1: Hills in the PGA Championship. You know, a few shots
Speaker 1: behind me too, has every every chance in the world
Speaker 1: to have a good round and and go win his
Speaker 1: first PGA Tour event. And let alone a major. And
Speaker 1: we were there with him that morning, We were there
Speaker 1: with him the night before, and we were there with
Speaker 1: him driving away. You know, as he thinks about throwing
Speaker 1: away his you know that up to that moment is
Speaker 1: best shot at a major championship. And that's a dark moment.
Speaker 1: And you know, most most people, normal people would say,
Speaker 1: I don't want the cameras here with me. And but
Speaker 1: Matt like trusted us too, and we basically said to
Speaker 1: him at the beginning of all this, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll be there for your lows, will be there for
Speaker 1: your highs as well. And sure enough, you know everybody
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Speaker 1: get all that footage and then you know, literally two
Speaker 1: months or a month and a half later, Matt Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: you guys are following many wins um the US Open
Speaker 1: at Brookline. So were you guys worried that maybe some
Speaker 1: great things wouldn't happen and you guys would get a
Speaker 1: year of just kind of m h. We had a
Speaker 1: conversation with Netflix when this all got green light, where
Speaker 1: one exact there asked me like, so, what's the drama
Speaker 1: in pro golf? You know, and I'm I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is before what happened this year, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, rules arguments. You know, people really hate when
Speaker 1: there's some rules stuff. It gets a little like chippy
Speaker 1: out there, you know. And then I was like, slow
Speaker 1: plays a big deal. It's probably gonna be slow play drama,
Speaker 1: you know, and I just I'm just reaching for something,
Speaker 1: you know, like because these guys aren't, like there's not
Speaker 1: right rival reason in a way that like there is
Speaker 1: in some other sports where you're so head to head.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is. You're out there playing your game.
Speaker 1: Certainly some people like each other more than others, and
Speaker 1: there's like there is some dynamics there. Um. But we were,
Speaker 1: you know, waiting to see what would happen. And I
Speaker 1: think that when we had our plans for what this
Speaker 1: season would look like, you know, what we thought the
Speaker 1: dramatic stakes were gonna be was was very different from
Speaker 1: what it ended up. And I think that's that's the
Speaker 1: benefit of being able to spend a year, you know,
Speaker 1: living inside this world where like we we were able
Speaker 1: to follow the stories as they unfolded, and we had
Speaker 1: the access to be able to actually be there for
Speaker 1: eat for all of it, like beginning, middle, and end,
Speaker 1: as opposed to just saying, Okay, here's what we think
Speaker 1: the drama is gonna be. We're gonna kind of like
Speaker 1: assemble it, you know. That's that's that's a big difference
Speaker 1: between something like this and like a hard you know,
Speaker 1: because we don't have to quick turn it. I mean,
Speaker 1: we shot footage that started storylines and like at Tory
Speaker 1: Pines you know, at the beginning of the season, and
Speaker 1: didn't really pay that off for finish it until like
Speaker 1: the tor Championship, you know, at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: and then we were able to go back and look
Speaker 1: at all that stuff and stitch those things together and
Speaker 1: tie it all up. Um. So yeah, I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, our our job, the number one goal was
Speaker 1: really just to build that trust with the players where
Speaker 1: they would actually let us in, you know, and show
Speaker 1: us who they are in a real in a real way,
Speaker 1: not you know, not the media trained way. And and
Speaker 1: we just did that like by being there when we
Speaker 1: said we were going to be there, and like I said,
Speaker 1: sometimes they weren't there, you know, but we were. We
Speaker 1: tried to you know, any anything, We sort of promised
Speaker 1: that we wanted to hold up, hold up to it.
Speaker 1: And really what we said was, if you let us in,
Speaker 1: you know, the more you lean into this, the more
Speaker 1: you're gonna get out of it. And if there's any
Speaker 1: takeaway from this show that has proven to be so true,
Speaker 1: the guys who really leaned in, who said, come into
Speaker 1: my lives, come into my family's lives, come into my
Speaker 1: spouses life, um and and you know I'm willing to
Speaker 1: go there with you, they're the ones who I think,
Speaker 1: you know, fans and viewers are gonna fall in love
Speaker 1: with because you really see, you know, what it takes
Speaker 1: and what it's like to be in this crazy traveling
Speaker 1: circus that obviously you know so well. Yeah, I mean golf.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's been um fifty three, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's the only life I've ever known. But you know, Chad,
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, golf wasn't cool. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't tell people that my dad was a golf
Speaker 1: and you know, gave golf lessons and people thought that
Speaker 1: was cool. It was kind of old guys, a bunch
Speaker 1: of rich people wearing funny clothes. And I remember saying
Speaker 1: to you and the team out at Tory Pines. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's easy with drive to survive, to make F one
Speaker 1: look cool because you just show a slow motion picture
Speaker 1: of a car coming around a corner, or you hear
Speaker 1: the noise of an F one car or the or
Speaker 1: the garage and all of that. And I remember saying, you, guys,
Speaker 1: how are you How are you guys gonna make golf
Speaker 1: look cool? Um? How did you do it? Well? I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that you think it looks cool when you
Speaker 1: see the show in a week. But but we you know,
Speaker 1: it always comes down to the stories and the character.
Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that we
Speaker 1: really learned is like golfers are an interesting breed of
Speaker 1: athlete and and I think, like there is when you're
Speaker 1: on a team, there's so much infrastructure around you. Um,
Speaker 1: being a pro golfer is like being the CEO of
Speaker 1: your own little company, in your own brand, and like,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just a different personality type. And
Speaker 1: I think that the the guys that we really spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time with this year, like actually are cool.
Speaker 1: And you see their lifestyle, you see the way they live,
Speaker 1: you see like the people they hang out with and
Speaker 1: and it's not the stuffy image of pro golf like
Speaker 1: it was in the nineties or the seventies or the eighties.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like these guys have cool lives. They
Speaker 1: fly around in private jets, they have they wear like
Speaker 1: fancy sneakers, they drive cool cars, they have cool friends.
Speaker 1: Like they're twenty year olds who are making millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, competing in front of tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: people every weekend and like and they're just trying to
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of each other, which is also
Speaker 1: like really fun. And I think there's like a there's
Speaker 1: a real you know, mental toughness that these players have
Speaker 1: to able to go in and you're not gonna win
Speaker 1: a lot on the PGA Tour. You win three times,
Speaker 1: that's like a career year, you know for many players,
Speaker 1: when once that's that could be a career defining thing.
Speaker 1: And so like to be able to go and reb
Speaker 1: yourself up to compete like for four days, you know,
Speaker 1: and and to show up for the practice rounds and
Speaker 1: to play the pro and all of the stuff that
Speaker 1: it takes to to go out there and win, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's I we find that we found it fascinating.
Speaker 1: And it's been interesting because a lot of the a
Speaker 1: lot of the team that we had on this series
Speaker 1: had come over from Drive to Survive and they fell
Speaker 1: in love with the players as characters and their spouses
Speaker 1: as characters, and their coaches as characters, and their caddies
Speaker 1: as characters. And it's just it takes a very special,
Speaker 1: certain kind of crazy person to do this for a living,
Speaker 1: and to be out there for a living, not just
Speaker 1: as a player, but as a caddy or as a coach,
Speaker 1: or as even a spouse to somebody who's on the
Speaker 1: road for three d days out of the year and like,
Speaker 1: and it's just a fascinating world. And I think it's
Speaker 1: it's so cool and and I'm I'm saying that as
Speaker 1: a producer and as a as a storyteller, not just
Speaker 1: as a fan. UM. And I hope that everybody who
Speaker 1: sees it, you know, feels the same way. UM, without
Speaker 1: obviously spoil doing anything that happens. UM. What type of
Speaker 1: players are we going to be able to see over
Speaker 1: the course of the eight episodes. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the fans have heard rumors about who's on board, who's
Speaker 1: not on board, UM, But you know, who can the
Speaker 1: player who can the viewers expect to to kind of
Speaker 1: get a glimpse of their lives. Yeah, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna see, you know, a really good mix of Top
Speaker 1: ten players and you know, the players who are really
Speaker 1: at the top of the game, contending in majors and
Speaker 1: winning majors and and you know, playing as well as
Speaker 1: you can and like really leading the game for the
Speaker 1: most elite level. I think we've got a lot of that.
Speaker 1: We have almost all of those players on board of
Speaker 1: the series. We also wanted to make sure that we
Speaker 1: were telling some stories that were sort of from people
Speaker 1: who are on the outside of that, like top you know,
Speaker 1: Top twenty group, and so there's some great stories about
Speaker 1: what it's like to you know, to to just make
Speaker 1: a living on the tour and how do you rev
Speaker 1: yourself up to go and compete, you know, and being
Speaker 1: the seventy fifth golfer and seventy five best golfer in
Speaker 1: the world or something like that. And then we also
Speaker 1: kind of came across this like the rookies angle, which is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a story that is a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and and being out there for the first time, you know,
Speaker 1: it really is a traveling circus. In some ways, we
Speaker 1: were like rookies this year to like making the show.
Speaker 1: A lot of times we're showing up at events for
Speaker 1: the first time and we're like, we don't know where
Speaker 1: to park. We're trying to figure out where we're supposed
Speaker 1: to go to get excrudential and like, and then we
Speaker 1: go with our rookie characters and they're like in the
Speaker 1: same boat, you know, like I'm supposed to be over here,
Speaker 1: but I parked in the wrong spot, and like I
Speaker 1: don't know where I'm gonna eat tonight, and it's all
Speaker 1: there's just like a freshness to it. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you're really we really do have a
Speaker 1: full spectrum of like pro golf, you know, from the
Speaker 1: top players in the world to players who are brand
Speaker 1: new playing out there um and and seeing what it's
Speaker 1: like to really get every facet of that experience. And
Speaker 1: you know, players who are made who have made tens
Speaker 1: and tens of millions of dollars playing pro golf, and
Speaker 1: players who are just making that first million dollars out
Speaker 1: there you like and that, and just see them like
Speaker 1: stand on the tea together. It's like it's fascinating, and
Speaker 1: then to be able to go out out there and
Speaker 1: compete against each other is is it sets up for
Speaker 1: some very epic scenes that you know, I think people
Speaker 1: are gonna really love and and you know, really the
Speaker 1: golf is the payoff, like the competition is the payoff.
Speaker 1: But so much of the core of the series is
Speaker 1: really off the course. It's like embedding in these players
Speaker 1: lives and really feeling like you're there with them. You know.
Speaker 1: The best thing that we can do as story tellerge
Speaker 1: for a show like this is to like disappear, you know,
Speaker 1: like and and and actually just random story. But like
Speaker 1: the first event where you met us, the Tory Finds,
Speaker 1: we showed up. We had movie cameras, you know, like
Speaker 1: big mat boxes and lights and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: we're looking like walking around like we're you know, Steven
Speaker 1: Spielberg out there, and we by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: we had like stripped the cameras down but basically like
Speaker 1: nothing almost like they're like still cameras, and and we
Speaker 1: were just trying to disappear, you know, because the less
Speaker 1: they felt us, the more they were real, and the
Speaker 1: more they really opened up. And I think like even
Speaker 1: even We learned how to make this show as we
Speaker 1: were doing it, and you know, as that trust was
Speaker 1: built with the players and as they started to recognize
Speaker 1: us and see us out there. Um and and you know,
Speaker 1: our hope is that we get to do this for many,
Speaker 1: many years. You know, going forward, you mentioned players involved. Um,
Speaker 1: there was a rumor. I mean I noticed Rory wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't seem to have the group of people following
Speaker 1: him around. He didn't seem to be miked up in
Speaker 1: the beginning. Um. I heard some people saying that. Um,
Speaker 1: he eventually came to you guys and said he wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of the show, which I think
Speaker 1: is fantastic. I mean, I Rory is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite guys on the PGA tour. I like him. Um,
Speaker 1: He's funny, he's smart, he's he's a thinker, he's curious. Um.
Speaker 1: Any truth to that that that he's going to be involved. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: Rory's Rory's a big part of the show. And uh,
Speaker 1: and wasn't at the beginning. Um, And we he did
Speaker 1: not come to us. We pursued him for you know,
Speaker 1: a year and a half, two years, And you know,
Speaker 1: I think Rory rightly, you know, in his mind like
Speaker 1: wanted to focus on golf and and he had you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on obviously in his life and
Speaker 1: with his with his play, but also with his family
Speaker 1: and and with his daughter and just like you know,
Speaker 1: everything else that's going on in Roy McCoy's life. Um,
Speaker 1: but we were filming all season, and we kept noticing
Speaker 1: that Rory would like pop into the frame, you know,
Speaker 1: like we'd be shooting in the locker room and he'd
Speaker 1: like come over and sit down and like and and
Speaker 1: he you know, he is just such a magnetic personality
Speaker 1: that like, you know, he walks into a room and
Speaker 1: like it changes that the temperature of the room, just
Speaker 1: because that's just who Rory is. And so you know,
Speaker 1: we worked worked in and worked in and you know,
Speaker 1: and and got to a place where when we you know,
Speaker 1: I sat down with him for a breakfast and and
Speaker 1: basically just said, you know, I think I think it's
Speaker 1: you gotta jump in. I think we gotta I think
Speaker 1: we gotta tell this story now. You know, like with
Speaker 1: everything that you're working towards and what you're doing in
Speaker 1: the game as a player and as kind of like
Speaker 1: this ambassador for the sport. I think we we don't
Speaker 1: want to wait another year, like we should do it now,
Speaker 1: and and you know, to his credit, he was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: let's do it, and and very typical roy fashion, like
Speaker 1: he says, we're in. And then from that moment on,
Speaker 1: you know, he probably give us more access than anybody else,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's who Roar he is, and everything
Speaker 1: that guy says is like gold. So you know you're
Speaker 1: just like he is. Because you said he's not he
Speaker 1: does not talking sound bites. He thinks, thinks through, he's
Speaker 1: he's got a brilliant he's got a brilliant mind. But
Speaker 1: he also has that charisma that you know, you just
Speaker 1: can't teach. And you can just see how that whole
Speaker 1: package comes together to create, you know, a player that's
Speaker 1: like generationally great. Um, but I think as you said,
Speaker 1: I mean just being around him, like he's not just
Speaker 1: a great player, I mean he's a great person and
Speaker 1: a great you know, he's just a really compelling you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a really compounding character, you know. So yes
Speaker 1: it was. He was not a part of the show
Speaker 1: at the beginning, but um, you know, plans change and
Speaker 1: and we were really lucky to add him at the
Speaker 1: kind of at the eleventh hour. He doesn't take a
Speaker 1: genius to figure out why Roy mclroy needed to be
Speaker 1: a part of the show in this crea easy last
Speaker 1: year of Um, the whole PGA Tour live thing, UM,
Speaker 1: I mean it was crazy for us, UM going through it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I look at the tour when I was
Speaker 1: talking to you guys and meeting you guys for the
Speaker 1: first time back in in you know, January, late January
Speaker 1: early February of of of last year. I could have
Speaker 1: never envisioned what that year would have looked like. UM,
Speaker 1: you guys obviously from a TV standpoint and from you know,
Speaker 1: a creative standpoint, the PGA Tour, UM Live Debate, battle
Speaker 1: Ship Show, I mean, that's that's that's gold for you guys.
Speaker 1: As as a storyline, how did you guys say, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do we cover this? Um? And then also you've
Speaker 1: got to deal with the fact that you're covering the
Speaker 1: p G A tour and basically halfway through the year,
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour as we know it somewhat changes. UM.
Speaker 1: The boys in Ponto bdra Um Jay and the Boys
Speaker 1: of the PGA tour obviously have an idea of how
Speaker 1: they want their product to be viewed put out. So
Speaker 1: how did you guys behind the scenes as the ones
Speaker 1: trying to chronicle this, um, I mean, do you take
Speaker 1: on at that point just a pure We're just gonna
Speaker 1: film and the story is going to tell itself and
Speaker 1: we just basically become reporters and ask the questions. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well I think it's interesting because, like you use the
Speaker 1: word cover it, and I think, like, you know, for
Speaker 1: a for an immersive documentary series like this, like we
Speaker 1: we would never describe it that way, Like it's not
Speaker 1: We're not really there to cover anything. We're there to
Speaker 1: observe and to be sort of a fly on the wall,
Speaker 1: because what we're trying to do is show viewers like
Speaker 1: what it was like, which is very different from sort
Speaker 1: of covering it, commentating on it, having a take, Like
Speaker 1: the show doesn't really like never was designed to have
Speaker 1: a take. The show is there to bring you inside
Speaker 1: the world of progolf in a way that no one's
Speaker 1: ever seen before. And when we started filming, we had
Speaker 1: a bunch of players that we're members of the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: By the time we finished filming. Some of those players
Speaker 1: were no longer members of the tour, but they're still
Speaker 1: part of the show, and we wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that we were we were like living up to our
Speaker 1: kind of promises to them, which was we were going
Speaker 1: to just be a fly on the wall in your life.
Speaker 1: If you let us in, we're gonna tell your story.
Speaker 1: And and that's the approach that we took, is like,
Speaker 1: we're it's not our job to shape a narrative. Our
Speaker 1: job is to show up with the cameras, turn them on,
Speaker 1: and and make the player feel like we're not there
Speaker 1: in the room. And I think that you'll I think
Speaker 1: that that is the piece of it that I probably
Speaker 1: most proud of the way of that length, that storyline
Speaker 1: unfolds in the series across you know, multiple episodes and
Speaker 1: multiple characters and multiple points of view. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's um. I think we were fair to everybody involved
Speaker 1: as to you know, letting them be the ones that
Speaker 1: drive how those stories are told, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: in their own words. You know, there's no narration in
Speaker 1: this show. There's no narrative. There's no voice of God,
Speaker 1: there's no voice over, there's there's the verity scenes that
Speaker 1: we filmed with the players and there's them talking about
Speaker 1: what it was like, and you know, we were trying
Speaker 1: to be as true to that as we possibly could.
Speaker 1: So obviously you know, from a from an interest and
Speaker 1: from a storytelling standpoint and a creating rivalries and just
Speaker 1: you know and drama like, yeah, you could not have
Speaker 1: asked for a richer tapestry to to do something like
Speaker 1: this within because all of a sudden, you know, the
Speaker 1: stakes just got a lot bigger than who was gonna
Speaker 1: win that week, um, you know, and who was on
Speaker 1: a major drought versus you know, it was playing slow
Speaker 1: or all those things that we you know, I thought
Speaker 1: maybe was going to be some of the storylines. Um
Speaker 1: and And I think what's interesting is you really do
Speaker 1: get a sense of the players, whichever side of that
Speaker 1: they fall, Like you can see in their personalities, like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of how they ended up where they
Speaker 1: ended up at the end of the year, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of like what they the way they think
Speaker 1: about their their business and their life and their game
Speaker 1: and their families versus you know, yeah, all those other things.
Speaker 1: So it's um, it's it's really been a fascinating experience
Speaker 1: and obviously we could not have planned for anything like
Speaker 1: this to happen, and just so happened that we were there,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, we're pumped for you for everybody
Speaker 1: to watch it. Um, you mentioned that, I think that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You guys are chronicling as opposed to covering. But the
Speaker 1: fact that all of this stuff happened in two and
Speaker 1: the cameras were rolling that you you guys were all
Speaker 1: there and you were getting, as you said, you were
Speaker 1: getting what people were saying about all of these events
Speaker 1: in their own words. Um, was there any pressure externally
Speaker 1: when all of this happened, because obviously it's great storytelling
Speaker 1: for you guys as as as people. You know, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is crazy that this is happening. It's great for
Speaker 1: us that we're doing this. But also there it was
Speaker 1: about the p g A tour. Was there pressure externally
Speaker 1: for you guys to push this in a direction, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, you're not you're not covering, You're trying
Speaker 1: to tell a story. But it would have been easy
Speaker 1: for someone to say, Okay, the story has now changed,
Speaker 1: we need you to focus on this part. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we the PGA Tour has been really amazing to
Speaker 1: work with throughout the whole process, and I'd say the
Speaker 1: same thing about all the major governing bodies. And you know,
Speaker 1: when we showed up, we asked for access and we
Speaker 1: said we're gonna we're gonna follow those stories as they develop,
Speaker 1: and they really like lived up to that in terms
Speaker 1: of not exerting any kind of editorial pressure on the series.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of trust mutually that like
Speaker 1: we would be focusing on the players, and I think
Speaker 1: that's like that's where we kept coming back to, is
Speaker 1: like does this matter to the player? Like if we
Speaker 1: are if you have given us access to your life,
Speaker 1: Like what's important to the show is what's important to you,
Speaker 1: the player. And so to the extent that the drama
Speaker 1: of Live in the PGA Tour is expressed in a series,
Speaker 1: it's really through the perspective of players and sort of
Speaker 1: both sides of it. And we really tried not to
Speaker 1: like editorialize it because it's it is like it is
Speaker 1: about the players, and and that was true. Showing up
Speaker 1: at the majors, same thing. You know, there's some majors
Speaker 1: that have a lot of tradition and a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, the way they're covered and the way that
Speaker 1: the broadcast is presented, and like, you know, we we
Speaker 1: showed up and said, like, we're not here to to
Speaker 1: do the story of this tournament. We're here to do
Speaker 1: the story of what it's like to play in it
Speaker 1: as a player. That's the difference. You know, you could
Speaker 1: make a doc about your major, you could make a
Speaker 1: doc about the you know, hundred fifties Open Championship, but like,
Speaker 1: what we want is to show people what it was
Speaker 1: like to compete in that from with months of lead up,
Speaker 1: you know, getting to that moment standing on that tea
Speaker 1: and hitting that shot on the seventy second hole. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's the feeling that we're trying to get. And
Speaker 1: I think it just it gave us some space to
Speaker 1: like let the stories tell themselves and unfold as we
Speaker 1: were as we were in it, because our only narrative
Speaker 1: was like again, showing people what it was like to
Speaker 1: be one of those players in the middle of all
Speaker 1: of this. Lastly, UM Chat, what do you think the
Speaker 1: viewers that see this next week, um and over the
Speaker 1: course of the remaining episodes, what do you think they'll
Speaker 1: be most surprised about. I think that they will be
Speaker 1: most surprised at the Boston fans at the US Open
Speaker 1: and how much ship talking there was there. No I mean,
Speaker 1: every time I watched the episode that really centers on
Speaker 1: that tournament, I'm just shocked by like how much chatter
Speaker 1: is going on, and you just never see that on
Speaker 1: the broadcast. Like it's it's crazy, Like we hear it NonStop.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm like at the biggest golf
Speaker 1: nerd ever and I had no idea how intense that
Speaker 1: is and how you can tune it out. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a mundane thing. I don't I probably
Speaker 1: have a better answer to that, but like, but just
Speaker 1: that and of itself like blows me away that how
Speaker 1: you could like get your head in the moment to
Speaker 1: like actually not listen to anything and like going execute.
Speaker 1: I think like the other big takeaway, I think what
Speaker 1: what I'm really excited about is like, you know, this
Speaker 1: world is a traveling circus and it's the same people
Speaker 1: showing up weekend and week out each other. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, and and I think you you probably noticed
Speaker 1: that it is like high school. There's the cool kids,
Speaker 1: there's the nerds, there's the breakups. It's heard these two people.
Speaker 1: It is. People always ask you, what's the PJ tour look.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like it's like high school. It's like
Speaker 1: being in high school. Every year. You see the same
Speaker 1: people every single week. It's the same, the same kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And um, I hope that you make them.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the circus part of it looks um Chad,
Speaker 1: that you and your team and um, you guys have
Speaker 1: done a great job at making the circus element look
Speaker 1: much cooler than it is. Because let me tell you,
Speaker 1: if you guys can make all that ship look glamorous,
Speaker 1: because yes, the private jets are great, and yes, all
Speaker 1: this stuff, but none of us. I always say that
Speaker 1: to people, Oh you fly away on private Jess, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm never going anywhere that I want to go. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not like it's not like I'm going to
Speaker 1: you know, Coachella with with a bunch of people. Like
Speaker 1: we're just going from point A to point B, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it gets us there faster, but it's it's certainly not glamorous. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to not consider private jets glamorous
Speaker 1: in some respect. They are like time machines for when
Speaker 1: you have one of them. I totally get that. I think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, but the high school analogy is a great one.
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a great scene where like we
Speaker 1: have a player who we are having to be following,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is not a top ten player,
Speaker 1: somebody who's journeyman, who's like not I would say journeyman,
Speaker 1: but someone who's like really just finding their place on
Speaker 1: the you know, in pro golf. And like to show
Speaker 1: about a major, like go into the player dining area
Speaker 1: and like look for a place to sit and there's
Speaker 1: like the three biggest golfers in the world at a
Speaker 1: table with like an empty seat, and it's like do
Speaker 1: you sit down with them, like you just played a
Speaker 1: great round, Like did you earn a spot that table
Speaker 1: or not? Like or do you just go walk by
Speaker 1: and say like hey guys you know in the league.
Speaker 1: And it's like that played out a real time was
Speaker 1: as we were filming, and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is high school like all over again, you know.
Speaker 1: And and it's just like you see the players on television,
Speaker 1: you're watching them compete. You don't realize that like these
Speaker 1: guys have blockers next to each other every single week.
Speaker 1: They're in the trailer working out together every single week.
Speaker 1: Like they know so much about each other's games and
Speaker 1: about each other's lives and like what's going on and
Speaker 1: it's uh. And they played like money games all the time,
Speaker 1: Like there's just so much like trying to get an
Speaker 1: edge all the time, and it's just it's the whole
Speaker 1: thing is is fascinating And it's been a joy and
Speaker 1: really a dream come true for me to get to
Speaker 1: like and like drop into it. And and we've been
Speaker 1: really lucky that the players have like really bought in
Speaker 1: and they get what it is. And you know, credit
Speaker 1: Drive Survived for a lot of that, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of the players are big fans of that show, so
Speaker 1: they kind of understood what you're trying to do. But
Speaker 1: it's very different to say that you watch Drive to
Speaker 1: Survive and then to like let the cameras into your
Speaker 1: house when you're in the final group at a major
Speaker 1: like in the morning. That was another one where I
Speaker 1: always wanted, like what do you do if you're in
Speaker 1: that final group and you're teeing off at like two pm?
Speaker 1: Like what do you do Sunday morning, like seven o'clock.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? You watch the term tournament?
Speaker 1: Do you play video games? You talk to your family,
Speaker 1: what do you It's like, well, you're gonna see what
Speaker 1: you do because we were there and and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like all those little moments, you know, come
Speaker 1: together to make something. I think that is really special
Speaker 1: and we're really proud of Well, I I for one,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm really excited. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see it. Um. I hope that I'm in it. And
Speaker 1: I hope you made me look cool. That's all I
Speaker 1: want to say, because I don't. Oh yeah, hey, listen, congrats. UM.
Speaker 1: I know it was a big, big workload for you guys,
Speaker 1: and uh, I can honestly say for everyone listening, Um
Speaker 1: you everybody listen. You have no idea how hard you know, Chad,
Speaker 1: you and your team, you guys every single week. Um,
Speaker 1: you guys did a great job. And I am really excited.
Speaker 1: Is there going to be season two? Stay tuned on?
Speaker 1: That wouldn't get me the exclusive Thanks for that. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Listen, chat, I'm excited. Um, congrats on on
Speaker 1: everything that you guys have done and I think everybody,
Speaker 1: uh is going to be really excited to see it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch and UM, you know, congrats, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Cold. It's been a lot of fun. So
Speaker 1: that was Chad mom, And like I said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: I'm really really excited to see this. Um. It was
Speaker 1: fun to to watch. Um, you know, all these new
Speaker 1: people come to the PGA tour and and listen, when
Speaker 1: you're when you're working with players in an individual sport.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that it was it
Speaker 1: was a steep learning curve for Chad and his entire
Speaker 1: crew and and the whole Netflix team. Um, it's not
Speaker 1: like a team sport, you know, it's not like, um,
Speaker 1: everybody practices at the same time, and so tour players
Speaker 1: can be a little bit of a moving target. So UM,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Chad and the crew have done
Speaker 1: an amazing job. I haven't seen any of it yet,
Speaker 1: but justin watching, um you know how hard they worked, UM,
Speaker 1: the amount of hours they put in, and how they
Speaker 1: really did a great job at gaining everybody's trust. Because
Speaker 1: that's the other thing I mean, when when something like
Speaker 1: this is pitched, it sounds like a great idea, but
Speaker 1: then when you realize if you're one of the players
Speaker 1: that was a part of this and and and I
Speaker 1: went through this and being around um DJ when the
Speaker 1: cameras around, I mean, you have to realize that they're
Speaker 1: going to be around and and be taping and it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and um I think it's gonna be cool.
Speaker 1: The teasers look great. I think everybody's going to get
Speaker 1: a really really unique insight into um what life is
Speaker 1: like as a UM as a touring professional. And I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see it. And hopefully all I'm going
Speaker 1: to say is for the limited amount that I'm in
Speaker 1: this thing, hopefully they make me look good. So uh,
Speaker 1: I hope everybody watches again. It comes out full swing
Speaker 1: on Netflix February. Go check it out. Thanks everybody for listening.
Speaker 1: Son of a which comes to you every Wednesday. We
Speaker 1: will see you all next week.