1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host, 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest, 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Uh something that I'm really really excited about Chad mom, 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: the executive producer of the new Netflix golf documentary Full Swing, 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: which comes out February. UM. I think everybody's been seeing 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: some of the trailers. I had a chance to talk 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: to Chad a couple of weeks ago, and UM, I 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 1: was I was a small part of this. They were 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: miking everybody up last year, UM on the PGA Tour, 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: and as a coach, UM, I got miked up. So 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: I think I'm in this thing. I don't think I'll 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: have too many speaking roles, but UM, listen, it's it's 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: going to be uh something that everybody who's in golf 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: is gonna want to watch. And I think it's going 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: to give everybody kind of a unique insight to what 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: it's like, UM to be on the PGA Tour. It's 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: a traveling circus. I've been doing it for more than 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: two decades, and I think when when when you see it, 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: and when you see what everybody who plays professional golf, 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: the caddies, the coaches, the players, the agents, the wives, 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: the girlfriends, what everybody has to go through. UM. I 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: think it will give everybody a different perspective. UM and 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't think you know, if you watch some of 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: the teasers, you've got the impulter saying, I mean, what 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: an amazing year that you chose to do that with 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: everything that's happened in the last twelve months. So I'm 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: excited about it. But before we get to the interview, 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: let's take a moment to thank our friends at Cobra Golf. UM. 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: You hear me talk about it every time I talked 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: about Cobra. UM. I love the brand. I'm really proud 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: to be a part of the brand. And UM, I 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: love their equipment. I think they make the best equipment 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: in the game. And they've got a new driver out, 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: the Aerojet Driver, which is available for purchase starting the 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: tenth of this month. I hit it. UM. There's a 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: bunch of different models. There's the Aerojet which is low spin, 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: high launched. There's the ero Jet l S, which is 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: the low spin, low launch that's the one I'm using, 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: and then the Aerojet Max, which is max forgiveness, which 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: kind of has a combination of all of them. UM, 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: like all of the Cobra drivers. I really liked the 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: feel of it, but I like the sound of it 43 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: as well. Um. It kind of has you know, some 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: of the new drivers that I mean you can hear 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: them on the driver and they're really really loud. I 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: like the fact that Cobra is kind of they've kind 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: of deadened the sound and it kind of has a 48 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: little bit of an old kind of baseball bat kind 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: of maybe a little bit of an old persimit. It's 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: not as loud, which I think gives you a little 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: bit more feel. Um. They've got a bunch of technology 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: in this. They've got the p w R Bridge waiting, 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: advanced aerodynamic design and the power shell hot face. It's 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: a hot driver. Everybody that's hit it UM loves it. 55 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: They say it's fast, the balls coming off good ball speeds. UM. 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: Gary Woodland, he's one of the longest hitters on the 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. He's moved into it. UM. So their equipment 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: is legit, and you know, it's it's a brand that 59 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm really really proud to be associated with. All three 60 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: of the drivers are available for purchase on February tenth. 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: You learn more or pick which one you want at 62 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Cobra golf dot com. So thanks again to Cobra's and 63 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: Puma team for making today's show happen. And let's get 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: straight to the interview with Chad mom So Chad. The 65 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: new Netflix UM Kind of Golf documentary Full Swing comes 66 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: out next week, eight episodes. Um, you put out a 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: tweet you're answering somebody, but you said, if I had 68 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: turned the script in for this show this year, it 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: would have been rejected because nobody would have believed. Um, 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: it was possible. Um, I met all you guys. You 71 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: guys were out in San Diego, UM at Tory Pines, 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: and you guys were I can people up and it 73 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: was all kind of new. You just just no way 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: you guys could have envisioned that this is what the 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: hell was going to happen in professional golf while you 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: had the cameras rolling in unlimited access for twelve months. 77 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's it is. It's truly crazy. And I 78 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: don't think, like I said, we could not have written 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: a script. It would have been thrown out. Netflix would 80 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: have said, like keep trying, because this is too unbelievable. 81 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Um just a just the macro story of what happened 82 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: in pro golf, but also the individuals stories, the character stories. 83 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: You know, players that we started filming with um kind 84 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: of a little bit like unexpectedly and they go on 85 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: and win a major championship. Like it just being in 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: the room at the right time, it felt like we 87 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: were there for every moment and and it just so 88 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: happened that, like we picked you know, justin Thomas, were like, 89 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: he's playing great, Let's go into Southern Hills and we 90 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: see what happens. We're also with Mito that same week, 91 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: and we're also with Matt Fitzpatrick that week, and you know, 92 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: just of all the players in the cast to sort 93 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: of say, hey, these are gonna be our focus is 94 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: for for that event. Just as one example, it's like, well, 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: you get a major winner, you get someone who has 96 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: one of the most dramatic you know, final holes in 97 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: major championship history, and then you get a guy who's 98 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: in the final pair and can't get it done coming 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: back with the next major to win. It's just the 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: storylines were amazing on the course obviously, you know, storylines 101 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: off the course have just been there's just never been 102 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: more people thinking about professional golf, and uh yeah, we're 103 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't believe it. You know, sometimes the 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: universe like, sometimes the universe just hands it to you, 105 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: and in this case, we really we couldn't have had 106 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: a better year to start this thing. Hey, that week 107 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: at Southern Hills, I recorded Mito Pereira earlier in the 108 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: week for my podcast that week and for the following week, 109 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, please win, please win, please win. Um 110 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: why golf, Chad? I mean, obviously, I think everybody has 111 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: seen the success of Drive to Survive when that came 112 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: out on Formula One. Chad, I can remember. I mean 113 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: I always been a huge F one fan. I lived 114 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: in Europe for a long time, so it's always been 115 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: a huge, you know, sport that I followed. But during 116 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: the pandemic, when when the tour kind of started again, everybody, 117 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: all the guys that I was working with, we're all 118 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: staying in houses. We weren't going out, we weren't doing anything. 119 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: And I remember one night I was staying with Brooks, 120 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: were at Memorial and they had this basement with this 121 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: big TV and He's like, find us something to watch 122 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: this week, you know, So I went down and we 123 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: got done having dinner and his brother was staying there 124 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: and his caddy and everything, and I said, have you 125 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: guys seen Drive to Survive? Because I was binge watching 126 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: all of it, and they're like, what's it about. I 127 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: was like, Formula one and they're like, okay, well watch 128 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: a couple episodes stuff. We stayed up till almost three 129 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning watching the whole thing. And it's subsequently, 130 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: how many of the p G A Tour players now 131 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: are following Formula one? I mean we I've met Carlos Science, 132 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: who's an F one driver through um watching that and 133 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: he's a big golfer. Lando Norris a big golfer DJ 134 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: and I played with Lando and um, Carlos. I mean, 135 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: but why golf? Because I mean, obviously one is a huge, 136 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: huge reach, but three, I mean his golf as big 137 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: as that. And why did you guys choose it? Well, 138 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: I want to get to your question in a second, 139 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: but actually that prompted maybe a funny, like a little 140 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: behind the scenes story that I haven't told anybody. So 141 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: that was at the memorial when you had that when 142 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: you watch it with Brooks, So I think we did 143 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: a zoom with him like a month later, and it 144 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: was us pitching the show, like getting trying to get 145 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: players involved in Brooks. You know, he was top of 146 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: my list for players that I thought, nobody knows who 147 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: this guy really is. I want to get I want 148 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: to get in there in his life and really just 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: figure out who this guy is because I I've always 150 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: found Brooks to be just a fascinating character. Be be 151 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: careful with that, because, um, I've got I know, I've got, 152 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: I've gotten in out and back in on that it. 153 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: Brooks can be Brooks. But you're right, Brooks is a 154 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 1: character that the player that I know off the golf 155 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: course is vastly different than the player that you see 156 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: on the golf Every time I post a video of 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Brooks hitting a golf ball, it's just every comment on 158 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: the social feats bro the guy doesn't practice, he hates 159 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: practicing and stuff, And I'm like, you guys don't actually 160 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: know anything about these plays anything. Yeah, well well so 161 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: so my to kind of finish the story Brooks. But yes, 162 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: I hear you, Um he had. We were trying to 163 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: get in touch with him and like it just you know, 164 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: there was like no interest or we weren't you know here, 165 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: hadn't heard back or anything like that. And then like 166 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: a month, I guess after the memorial, we get a 167 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: zoom with him, and that's when this was all starting 168 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: to get kind of real, you know. And and I 169 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: remember waking up because it's I'm in l you know, 170 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: based in l A. He's he's in Jupiter. Like it 171 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: was maybe it's like seven in the morning or something, 172 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: or even like maybe six am on the West Coast, 173 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like sitting in my little office in my house, 174 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, with a cup of coffee, and like Brooks 175 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: kept pops up on my zoom and that was like 176 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: one of the cooler, like face to face moments of like, 177 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, this thing could really happen. And and 178 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: I start kind of pitching why what we're trying to do, 179 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, yeah, no. We we watched all 180 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: of Drive to Survive like a month ago. He's like, 181 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: I started watching it, you know, my coach was saying 182 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: we should go check it out, and it was great 183 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: and everybody was talking about it, like, you know. Then 184 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: we end up in a basement. He's like, and I 185 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: stayed up all night watching the whole thing. I watched 186 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: every episode. He's like, I love it. Now I've watched 187 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: everything of season two. He's like, I'm a huge fan. 188 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: I totally get what this is. When do we start, basically, 189 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of like he totally got it. 190 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: And so I mean the drive to survive effect. You know, 191 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: you can't overstate it. I think, like to come back 192 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: to your questions sort of why golf, I mean, I 193 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: think it has to start for me, like personally, right, Like, 194 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, I run Box Media Studios. We make goes 195 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: for Netflix and Hulu and Hbo and you know, a 196 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: bunch of different streamers much in the networks, and we 197 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: make all kinds of different shows, make food shows, make 198 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: true crime shows, we make you know, infotainment. We do 199 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff scripted shows. But I have been 200 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: a golf a player in my entire life. I sort 201 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: of grew up in the game. My dad was in 202 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: the military, are my grandfather was in the military. Just 203 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of grew up playing military golf courses. It was 204 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: like a way for me to stay busy, you know, 205 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: and and just like golf became such a part of 206 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: my life. And then especially when I was, you know, 207 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: in eighth grade with Tiger is just like two thousand. 208 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: Tiger was just you know doing I mean it was 209 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: like changing in the world and the most famous athlete 210 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: ever and and I just completely fell head over heels 211 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: for the game. And and so, you know, for me, 212 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do something in golf, and this 213 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: has been like a real like labor of love to 214 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: bring this project to life over a period of like 215 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, half a decade of of like working out 216 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: how to bring this thing to fruition. And and so 217 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: for me it was always like, how do we how 218 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: do we do something really interesting with this sport that 219 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: has been such a part of my life. And you know, 220 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: I was never gonna be a competitor like played, you know, 221 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: on the tour, even though maybe I dreamed that when 222 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: I was like thirteen or fourteen, But then you kind 223 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: of get to play with some really good players and 224 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, no, that's not for you. But 225 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think like thinking about where golf is, 226 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, after through the pandemic and even now it's like, 227 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, golf, especially professional golf, you know, even before 228 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: the events of this year, has been at an inflection point. 229 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: You know, you have a generational athlete and Tiger who's 230 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, playing less and less, and you know, we're 231 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: all excited to see him every time he comes out. 232 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: But like there's a transition and you have all these 233 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: younger players who are changing the game in their own way, 234 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: who are much more comfortable with social media and talking 235 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: to audiences directly, and they're like not as intermediated by like, 236 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, the media. I mean they can talk directly 237 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: to fans on Twitter, on Instagram, on podcasts like this, 238 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: and there's a whole new slew of golf media that like, 239 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: like what you're doing here that is like brought a 240 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: different type of fan into the game, a younger fan, 241 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: people who are you know, trying to get better, trying 242 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: to follow professional golf in different ways, you know, try 243 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: to get inside that sport. And you've also seen like 244 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: golf popularity explode in terms of participation, so all of 245 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, people who we're not playing golf 246 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: are picking it up because it's one of the few 247 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: things you could do during the pandemic that was safe 248 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: and all kinds of you know, that's been great for golf, 249 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: great for equipment, companies. From sure, it's been great for coaches, um. 250 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: And I think that the last pieces, like the golf 251 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: has become a lifestyle in a way that like maybe 252 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: is it hasn't been like that since like I don't know, 253 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: the era of like the rat Pack and Big Crosby 254 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: and Bob Hope and and that o g kind of 255 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: like sixties era golf, you know vibe. But you know, 256 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: like look at what you're wearing right now. It's like 257 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: that's it's a golf jacket. Like it's it's like, golf 258 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: is cool. It's a lifestyle now. And I think people, 259 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: I think all of that adds up to this like 260 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: buzz and interests around the sport and around the game. 261 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: And one of the things that makes it so compelling 262 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: from a storytelling perspective is, you know, sort of unlike 263 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: almost any other pro sport, including formula one, I mean, 264 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: it is entirely on the shoulders of the player. I 265 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: mean there is no more individual sport than golf. Um. 266 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: You are out there on an island and you know 267 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: it is it is a fascinating way to get inside 268 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: the head and inside the lives of some of these 269 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: players who kind of do this at such a high 270 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: level um and the way the sport you know, takes 271 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: place in un folds over a week, you know, across 272 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: four days, and then across the season. It just creates 273 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: so much opportunity for storytelling because you know, all those 274 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: guys who play pro goolf, I mean, they you stand 275 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: next to them on the range, and I love That's 276 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: still my I still love doing that, you know, showing 277 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: up at an event, just walking up and down the range, 278 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: just hearing the sound it makes, you know, and you 279 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: stand next to someone who's like Hunred fifty in the world, 280 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: and you're like, that's the best golfer I've ever seen 281 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: in my life, you know, and it's just one by one. 282 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: Just the talent and skill is amazing. And then you 283 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: get inside the heads of these elite top players and 284 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: you see what they do in their lives and what 285 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: what sort of takes them to that next level. And 286 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: and then and also just the humanity that comes with 287 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: something so humbling is golf. I mean, there's we we've 288 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: never seen anything like Tiger really, and then maybe we'll 289 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: never see anything like that again. You know, the parody 290 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: in golf is really real, and the idea that anybody 291 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: at any point could go out there and win it. Um. 292 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: It makes it even more impressive to see those guys 293 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: who really do you know, sort of rise above their 294 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: peers and and and they all kind of approach it 295 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: in really different ways. So we we've found that to 296 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: be really fascinating. I think that I hope that you know, 297 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: viewers of this show, you know, have that same feeling 298 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: of like, never saw a golf in this way. And 299 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: we're not trying to just reach golfers with this series, 300 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think golf is a giant global audience. 301 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: There's lots of participation in the sport. But you know, 302 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: our hope is that we are going to be able 303 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: to humanize these athletes in a way that you know, 304 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: brings non fans, non core golf fans into it, gets 305 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: them excited about, you know, what's going on in professional golf, 306 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe make some new fans of some 307 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: of these players that you know aren't quite the same 308 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: level of hustle names as you know, guys like Dustin 309 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: and Brooks and DJ and yeah, Dustin and Brooks and 310 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: Rory and JT and Jordan's speed and those kind of guys. 311 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: So you mentioned, um, Tigers Tiger in the In the show, 312 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: Tiger is a is a character that many of the 313 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: storylines revolve around. Yeah, because, I mean it was interesting. 314 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: I got to spend some time. I've met Carlos Science 315 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: through Instagram and finally got I've met him a couple 316 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: of times, but um, I got to meet him and 317 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: his manager too. I think he's his is his cousin 318 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: and he was saying, if you remember the first series 319 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: of of of Drive to Survive for the people that 320 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: watched it, Um, Lewis Hamilton's Mercedes Ferrari, they weren't in 321 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: it at all. They were just characters. As you said, 322 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: like Tiger will be a character, and you weren't getting 323 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: first person interviews with anybody at Mercedes. You weren't getting 324 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: first person interviews with anybody at um Ferrari. But obviously 325 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: if you're gonna do something on formula, they are a 326 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: part of the story. And at that time, Lewis Hamilton's 327 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: is the best driver, He's winning the world championship, so 328 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: Tiger will be a part of the storyline. Um, has 329 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: it been interesting for you all when you're interviewing all 330 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: of these players chat too, to see just what an 331 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: impact Tiger has had on golf. But this new younger 332 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: generation of players. I mean, I've been around Tiger since 333 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: three when my dad was his coach, and I was 334 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: around it for ten years, and um, you know, I'm 335 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a storyteller to a lot of 336 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: these young players because they never saw Tiger play. They've 337 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: only seen him on Golf Channel and reruns. They've only 338 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: seen the YouTube clips, so they really were around him. 339 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: And this kind of Tiger two point oh winning the 340 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: Masters again, coming back and playing and forging these relationships 341 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: with these younger players. Um, they're getting to see Tiger, 342 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: but he has. He has been such a huge, huge 343 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: figure in our sport. Yeah, no doubt, and and you know, 344 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating. And not that I was 345 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: surprised because you know, in many ways, I think, you know, 346 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm in that same generation as some of those players 347 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: that you're mentioning. Maybe maybe you know, maybe one half 348 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: generation older than them. But you know, for me, like 349 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: I said, I grew up watching Tiger as a young 350 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, as a as a end of middle school, 351 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: high school kid. You know, never got to you know, 352 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: obviously never played with him. Or anything like that in 353 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: junior all for anything. He was already on the tour 354 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: and winning you know, many many measures. Um. But when 355 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: we first started the show, the first thing we did 356 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: is and this is this is something that uh Paul 357 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: and James from Box to Box, who are partners on 358 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: this show, who make Drive to Survive UM. This is 359 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: something that they've been doing for many years where the 360 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: first interviews we do with players, we sit them down 361 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: just no cameras, just talk audio and let them be 362 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: free and you know, we're not worried about you know, 363 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: how you look or the lighting and it's just a 364 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: chance to get to know somebody and kind of getting 365 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: their heads a little bit. And we went down to 366 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: the Bahamas um at the end of and to the 367 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: Hero World Challenge, and we sat in a recording studio 368 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: that happened to be like justin timber Lake studio is 369 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: like very cool place to introduce ourselves to the to 370 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: the players for the first time. But every one of 371 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: the guys who came in, like honestly to a man, 372 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: had their own version of a story about how they 373 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: were inspired by Tiger, and we never asked them. It 374 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: was like what, you know, why are you a pro golfer? 375 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: And they all had some version of that answer of 376 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: being inspired by Tiger and what he meant to them 377 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: as as a player and the impact he had, except 378 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: for maybe Brooks, who I think he said he liked 379 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: Adam Scott, but it was it was fascinating and like 380 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: just to see there. You know, some guys like Justin 381 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: Thomas obviously have have a really close relationship, you know, 382 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: other other players who just watched those clips and we've 383 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: seen how he approached the game and have tried to 384 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: learn about, you know, how Tiger prepared himselves mentally and physically. 385 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's there's one takeaway for from 386 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: this shows. You'll see just how physical golf is and 387 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: how these athletes get themselves in shape. I mean there's 388 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: a lot of like gym footage for a show about golf, 389 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: which I think people will be excited to see some 390 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: of the you know, how hard these athletes are working 391 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: out and pushing their bodies, but also like the mental 392 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: side of it, you know, how do you approach how 393 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: do you approach the game? I think Tiger changed that, 394 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, in a in a really big way. And 395 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: then obviously he introduced golf to like billions of people, 396 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, who wouldn't look twice at a at a 397 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: at a you know, professional all tournament or at a 398 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: PGA to our event. And you know, all of a 399 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: sudden that became musty TV every time you teed it up. 400 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: So you know, you can't really like overstate the impact 401 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: the Tigers had and to see this year unfold, you know, 402 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: with him returning at the Masters, you know, from his 403 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: injury and what that meant to the players that we've 404 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: been closely following, and and just how important and how 405 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: much the vibe changes when he steps on side of 406 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: the property. You mentioned the first time we that was 407 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: at Torrey Pines. That was our first event shooting, and 408 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: that was actually kind of our test run, like we 409 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: were trying out, like how many players to let us 410 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: put mikes on him? The answer is not that many 411 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning, you know, Well that was the other 412 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: thing I mean, you guys, obviously nothing like this has 413 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: ever been done in golf. And I think golfers, because 414 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: they're not part of a team concept um, they can 415 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: kind of, as you guys have found out, they can 416 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: kind of do their own thing. Right, there's no, there's 417 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: no team principle, there's no team manager, there's no team coach, 418 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: saying because a lot of times, you guys would be 419 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: coming up and going, hey, what time are you know? 420 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: What time's DJ coming out? I'm like, I said, he'd 421 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: be out of ten and you guys were all there 422 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: at ten o'clock and he shows up at twelve o'clock 423 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: and you guys are like it always like this. I'm like, yeah, 424 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: about ten years and it's been like this. But originally 425 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: I think everybody, not everybody, but I think the majority 426 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: of the people were they're scared, right because they don't know. 427 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: And I kept saying to all the players that you 428 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: know DJ Kip saying, hey, should I do this? Should 429 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: I do this? I said, listen, they're not trying to 430 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: make you look bad. This is not a gutcha piece. 431 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: They don't want to get bad footage. Right, So, how 432 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: have you guys bridge that gap? Was it? Did it 433 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: take time? Because I kind of think tour players are 434 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: a little bit like sometimes they can be like dogs, 435 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: right if they if they see something they don't like 436 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: or they haven't seen before, they don't know, they initially 437 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: bark and then they'll kind of sniff around and if 438 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: they see you on a regular basis, then they'll come up. 439 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: Did you guys have any growing pains on having to 440 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: say to the guys, listen, we're here to make you 441 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: look good? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think it was 442 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: it was a girl. It was like learning process and 443 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: relationship driven thing, like from for the last two and 444 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: a half years, you know, so from the first player 445 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: to really say yes to this to like the last 446 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: shoot we did in October, I guess maybe we had yeah, 447 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: the last end of the end of October. Um. You know, 448 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: we were always proving to the player that they could 449 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: trust us, and it was never like we never took 450 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: for granted that that access would remain, you know, that 451 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: would be there the next week. So we any time 452 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: a player let us in, you know, we wanted to 453 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: make sure that they were heard, you know, that they 454 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: felt heard and that they felt like we were part 455 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: of the team, not the media, you know, and they're 456 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: so there's so much media and golf so much focus 457 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: and attention on everything that they say and the way 458 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: that they're playing, and there's so much commentary. Like any 459 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: pro sport, there's a lot of like a lot of 460 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: media that sort of And and because they're not part 461 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: of a team, there's no place for them to hide. 462 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: For the most part, you know, they are facing those questions. 463 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: There's get in front of the media, and that is 464 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: pretty different from being on an NBA team or being 465 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: in a on an NFL team or a racing team. Um. 466 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: And so they like learn to you know, protect themselves 467 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: as they should, you know. And and it's their own 468 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: private lives. They're entitled to that privacy. Um. But what 469 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: we really wanted to stress to them, and I think 470 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: what we've proven to them, the guys that really leaned 471 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: in is that like we aren't this isn't coming out 472 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: like next week. It's not going to be out on 473 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: Twitter like anything that we film, good or bad, Like 474 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: we'll have the benefit of a year's worth of context. 475 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: So like take you know, Matt Fitzpatrick, you could be 476 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: there in his worst moment. He is in the final group, 477 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: he's playing grade, He's in the final group at Southern 478 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: Hills in the PGA Championship. You know, a few shots 479 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: behind me too, has every every chance in the world 480 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: to have a good round and and go win his 481 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: first PGA Tour event. And let alone a major. And 482 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: we were there with him that morning, We were there 483 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: with him the night before, and we were there with 484 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: him driving away. You know, as he thinks about throwing 485 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: away his you know that up to that moment is 486 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: best shot at a major championship. And that's a dark moment. 487 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: And you know, most most people, normal people would say, 488 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't want the cameras here with me. And but 489 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: Matt like trusted us too, and we basically said to 490 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: him at the beginning of all this, like, you know, 491 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: we'll be there for your lows, will be there for 492 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: your highs as well. And sure enough, you know everybody 493 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: knows what happens a month later at Brookline. Let's take 494 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: a moment to thank for Wellness for supporting the show. 495 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 1: You guys, hear me talk about them every week, and 496 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: that the reason I do that is because I drink 497 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: their coffee every week. 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You 514 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: get all that footage and then you know, literally two 515 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: months or a month and a half later, Matt Fitzpatrick, 516 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: you guys are following many wins um the US Open 517 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: at Brookline. So were you guys worried that maybe some 518 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: great things wouldn't happen and you guys would get a 519 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: year of just kind of m h. We had a 520 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: conversation with Netflix when this all got green light, where 521 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: one exact there asked me like, so, what's the drama 522 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: in pro golf? You know, and I'm I'm like, this 523 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: is before what happened this year, and it's like, oh, 524 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, rules arguments. You know, people really hate when 525 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: there's some rules stuff. It gets a little like chippy 526 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: out there, you know. And then I was like, slow 527 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: plays a big deal. It's probably gonna be slow play drama, 528 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, and I just I'm just reaching for something, 529 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, like because these guys aren't, like there's not 530 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: right rival reason in a way that like there is 531 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: in some other sports where you're so head to head. 532 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is. You're out there playing your game. 533 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: Certainly some people like each other more than others, and 534 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: there's like there is some dynamics there. Um. But we were, 535 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: you know, waiting to see what would happen. And I 536 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: think that when we had our plans for what this 537 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: season would look like, you know, what we thought the 538 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: dramatic stakes were gonna be was was very different from 539 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: what it ended up. And I think that's that's the 540 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: benefit of being able to spend a year, you know, 541 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: living inside this world where like we we were able 542 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: to follow the stories as they unfolded, and we had 543 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: the access to be able to actually be there for 544 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: eat for all of it, like beginning, middle, and end, 545 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to just saying, Okay, here's what we think 546 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: the drama is gonna be. We're gonna kind of like 547 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: assemble it, you know. That's that's that's a big difference 548 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: between something like this and like a hard you know, 549 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: because we don't have to quick turn it. I mean, 550 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: we shot footage that started storylines and like at Tory 551 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: Pines you know, at the beginning of the season, and 552 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: didn't really pay that off for finish it until like 553 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: the tor Championship, you know, at the end of the year, 554 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: and then we were able to go back and look 555 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: at all that stuff and stitch those things together and 556 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: tie it all up. Um. So yeah, I think that, 557 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: you know, our our job, the number one goal was 558 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: really just to build that trust with the players where 559 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: they would actually let us in, you know, and show 560 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: us who they are in a real in a real way, 561 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: not you know, not the media trained way. And and 562 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: we just did that like by being there when we 563 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: said we were going to be there, and like I said, 564 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: sometimes they weren't there, you know, but we were. We 565 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: tried to you know, any anything, We sort of promised 566 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: that we wanted to hold up, hold up to it. 567 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: And really what we said was, if you let us in, 568 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, the more you lean into this, the more 569 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna get out of it. And if there's any 570 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: takeaway from this show that has proven to be so true, 571 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: the guys who really leaned in, who said, come into 572 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: my lives, come into my family's lives, come into my 573 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: spouses life, um and and you know I'm willing to 574 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: go there with you, they're the ones who I think, 575 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, fans and viewers are gonna fall in love 576 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: with because you really see, you know, what it takes 577 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: and what it's like to be in this crazy traveling 578 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: circus that obviously you know so well. Yeah, I mean golf. 579 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's been um fifty three, it's it's 580 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: it's the only life I've ever known. But you know, Chad, 581 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, golf wasn't cool. You know, 582 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: I didn't tell people that my dad was a golf 583 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: and you know, gave golf lessons and people thought that 584 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: was cool. It was kind of old guys, a bunch 585 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: of rich people wearing funny clothes. And I remember saying 586 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: to you and the team out at Tory Pines. I mean, 587 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: it's easy with drive to survive, to make F one 588 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: look cool because you just show a slow motion picture 589 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: of a car coming around a corner, or you hear 590 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: the noise of an F one car or the or 591 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: the garage and all of that. And I remember saying, you, guys, 592 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: how are you How are you guys gonna make golf 593 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: look cool? Um? How did you do it? Well? I mean, 594 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: I hope that you think it looks cool when you 595 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: see the show in a week. But but we you know, 596 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: it always comes down to the stories and the character. 597 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that we 598 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: really learned is like golfers are an interesting breed of 599 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: athlete and and I think, like there is when you're 600 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: on a team, there's so much infrastructure around you. Um, 601 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: being a pro golfer is like being the CEO of 602 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: your own little company, in your own brand, and like, 603 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: and it's just it's just a different personality type. And 604 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: I think that the the guys that we really spent 605 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: a lot of time with this year, like actually are cool. 606 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: And you see their lifestyle, you see the way they live, 607 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: you see like the people they hang out with and 608 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: and it's not the stuffy image of pro golf like 609 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: it was in the nineties or the seventies or the eighties. 610 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: You know. It's like these guys have cool lives. They 611 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: fly around in private jets, they have they wear like 612 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: fancy sneakers, they drive cool cars, they have cool friends. 613 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: Like they're twenty year olds who are making millions of dollars, 614 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, competing in front of tens of thousands of 615 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: people every weekend and like and they're just trying to 616 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of each other, which is also 617 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: like really fun. And I think there's like a there's 618 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: a real you know, mental toughness that these players have 619 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: to able to go in and you're not gonna win 620 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: a lot on the PGA Tour. You win three times, 621 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: that's like a career year, you know for many players, 622 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: when once that's that could be a career defining thing. 623 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: And so like to be able to go and reb 624 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: yourself up to compete like for four days, you know, 625 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: and and to show up for the practice rounds and 626 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: to play the pro and all of the stuff that 627 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: it takes to to go out there and win, you know, 628 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: it's just it's I we find that we found it fascinating. 629 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: And it's been interesting because a lot of the a 630 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: lot of the team that we had on this series 631 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: had come over from Drive to Survive and they fell 632 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: in love with the players as characters and their spouses 633 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: as characters, and their coaches as characters, and their caddies 634 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: as characters. And it's just it takes a very special, 635 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: certain kind of crazy person to do this for a living, 636 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: and to be out there for a living, not just 637 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: as a player, but as a caddy or as a coach, 638 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: or as even a spouse to somebody who's on the 639 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: road for three d days out of the year and like, 640 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: and it's just a fascinating world. And I think it's 641 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: it's so cool and and I'm I'm saying that as 642 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: a producer and as a as a storyteller, not just 643 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: as a fan. UM. And I hope that everybody who 644 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: sees it, you know, feels the same way. UM, without 645 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: obviously spoil doing anything that happens. UM. What type of 646 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: players are we going to be able to see over 647 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: the course of the eight episodes. I mean, I think 648 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: the fans have heard rumors about who's on board, who's 649 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: not on board, UM, But you know, who can the 650 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: player who can the viewers expect to to kind of 651 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: get a glimpse of their lives. Yeah, I think you're 652 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: gonna see, you know, a really good mix of Top 653 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: ten players and you know, the players who are really 654 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: at the top of the game, contending in majors and 655 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: winning majors and and you know, playing as well as 656 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: you can and like really leading the game for the 657 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: most elite level. I think we've got a lot of that. 658 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: We have almost all of those players on board of 659 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: the series. We also wanted to make sure that we 660 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: were telling some stories that were sort of from people 661 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: who are on the outside of that, like top you know, 662 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: Top twenty group, and so there's some great stories about 663 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: what it's like to you know, to to just make 664 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: a living on the tour and how do you rev 665 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: yourself up to go and compete, you know, and being 666 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: the seventy fifth golfer and seventy five best golfer in 667 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: the world or something like that. And then we also 668 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: kind of came across this like the rookies angle, which is, uh, 669 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, a story that is a lot of fun 670 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: and and being out there for the first time, you know, 671 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: it really is a traveling circus. In some ways, we 672 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: were like rookies this year to like making the show. 673 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: A lot of times we're showing up at events for 674 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: the first time and we're like, we don't know where 675 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: to park. We're trying to figure out where we're supposed 676 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: to go to get excrudential and like, and then we 677 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: go with our rookie characters and they're like in the 678 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: same boat, you know, like I'm supposed to be over here, 679 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: but I parked in the wrong spot, and like I 680 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: don't know where I'm gonna eat tonight, and it's all 681 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: there's just like a freshness to it. So so yeah, 682 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: I think that you're really we really do have a 683 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: full spectrum of like pro golf, you know, from the 684 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: top players in the world to players who are brand 685 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: new playing out there um and and seeing what it's 686 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: like to really get every facet of that experience. And 687 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, players who are made who have made tens 688 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: and tens of millions of dollars playing pro golf, and 689 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: players who are just making that first million dollars out 690 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: there you like and that, and just see them like 691 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: stand on the tea together. It's like it's fascinating, and 692 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: then to be able to go out out there and 693 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: compete against each other is is it sets up for 694 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: some very epic scenes that you know, I think people 695 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: are gonna really love and and you know, really the 696 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: golf is the payoff, like the competition is the payoff. 697 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: But so much of the core of the series is 698 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: really off the course. It's like embedding in these players 699 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: lives and really feeling like you're there with them. You know. 700 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: The best thing that we can do as story tellerge 701 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: for a show like this is to like disappear, you know, 702 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: like and and and actually just random story. But like 703 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: the first event where you met us, the Tory Finds, 704 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: we showed up. We had movie cameras, you know, like 705 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: big mat boxes and lights and all this stuff, and 706 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: we're looking like walking around like we're you know, Steven 707 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: Spielberg out there, and we by the end of the season, 708 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: we had like stripped the cameras down but basically like 709 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: nothing almost like they're like still cameras, and and we 710 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: were just trying to disappear, you know, because the less 711 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: they felt us, the more they were real, and the 712 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: more they really opened up. And I think like even 713 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: even We learned how to make this show as we 714 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: were doing it, and you know, as that trust was 715 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: built with the players and as they started to recognize 716 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: us and see us out there. Um and and you know, 717 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: our hope is that we get to do this for many, 718 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: many years. You know, going forward, you mentioned players involved. Um, 719 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: there was a rumor. I mean I noticed Rory wasn't. Yeah, 720 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: he didn't seem to have the group of people following 721 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: him around. He didn't seem to be miked up in 722 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: the beginning. Um. I heard some people saying that. Um, 723 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: he eventually came to you guys and said he wanted 724 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: to be a part of the show, which I think 725 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: is fantastic. I mean, I Rory is one of my 726 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: favorite guys on the PGA tour. I like him. Um, 727 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: He's funny, he's smart, he's he's a thinker, he's curious. Um. 728 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: Any truth to that that that he's going to be involved. Yeah, yeah, No, 729 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: Rory's Rory's a big part of the show. And uh, 730 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: and wasn't at the beginning. Um, And we he did 731 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: not come to us. We pursued him for you know, 732 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: a year and a half, two years, And you know, 733 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: I think Rory rightly, you know, in his mind like 734 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: wanted to focus on golf and and he had you know, 735 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on obviously in his life and 736 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: with his with his play, but also with his family 737 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: and and with his daughter and just like you know, 738 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: everything else that's going on in Roy McCoy's life. Um, 739 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: but we were filming all season, and we kept noticing 740 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: that Rory would like pop into the frame, you know, 741 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: like we'd be shooting in the locker room and he'd 742 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: like come over and sit down and like and and 743 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: he you know, he is just such a magnetic personality 744 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: that like, you know, he walks into a room and 745 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: like it changes that the temperature of the room, just 746 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: because that's just who Rory is. And so you know, 747 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: we worked worked in and worked in and you know, 748 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: and and got to a place where when we you know, 749 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: I sat down with him for a breakfast and and 750 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: basically just said, you know, I think I think it's 751 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: you gotta jump in. I think we gotta I think 752 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: we gotta tell this story now. You know, like with 753 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: everything that you're working towards and what you're doing in 754 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: the game as a player and as kind of like 755 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: this ambassador for the sport. I think we we don't 756 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: want to wait another year, like we should do it now, 757 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: and and you know, to his credit, he was like, yeah, man, 758 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: let's do it, and and very typical roy fashion, like 759 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: he says, we're in. And then from that moment on, 760 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: you know, he probably give us more access than anybody else, 761 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, because that's who Roar he is, and everything 762 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: that guy says is like gold. So you know you're 763 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: just like he is. Because you said he's not he 764 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: does not talking sound bites. He thinks, thinks through, he's 765 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: he's got a brilliant he's got a brilliant mind. But 766 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: he also has that charisma that you know, you just 767 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: can't teach. And you can just see how that whole 768 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: package comes together to create, you know, a player that's 769 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: like generationally great. Um, but I think as you said, 770 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean just being around him, like he's not just 771 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: a great player, I mean he's a great person and 772 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: a great you know, he's just a really compelling you know, 773 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: it's just a really compounding character, you know. So yes 774 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: it was. He was not a part of the show 775 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: at the beginning, but um, you know, plans change and 776 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: and we were really lucky to add him at the 777 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of at the eleventh hour. He doesn't take a 778 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: genius to figure out why Roy mclroy needed to be 779 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: a part of the show in this crea easy last 780 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: year of Um, the whole PGA Tour live thing, UM, 781 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean it was crazy for us, UM going through it. Um. 782 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, I look at the tour when I was 783 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: talking to you guys and meeting you guys for the 784 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: first time back in in you know, January, late January 785 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: early February of of of last year. I could have 786 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: never envisioned what that year would have looked like. UM, 787 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: you guys obviously from a TV standpoint and from you know, 788 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: a creative standpoint, the PGA Tour, UM Live Debate, battle 789 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: Ship Show, I mean, that's that's that's gold for you guys. 790 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: As as a storyline, how did you guys say, Okay, 791 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: how do we cover this? Um? And then also you've 792 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: got to deal with the fact that you're covering the 793 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: p G A tour and basically halfway through the year, 794 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour as we know it somewhat changes. UM. 795 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: The boys in Ponto bdra Um Jay and the Boys 796 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,959 Speaker 1: of the PGA tour obviously have an idea of how 797 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: they want their product to be viewed put out. So 798 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: how did you guys behind the scenes as the ones 799 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: trying to chronicle this, um, I mean, do you take 800 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: on at that point just a pure We're just gonna 801 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: film and the story is going to tell itself and 802 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: we just basically become reporters and ask the questions. Yeah. Yeah, 803 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: Well I think it's interesting because, like you use the 804 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: word cover it, and I think, like, you know, for 805 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: a for an immersive documentary series like this, like we 806 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: we would never describe it that way, Like it's not 807 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: We're not really there to cover anything. We're there to 808 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: observe and to be sort of a fly on the wall, 809 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: because what we're trying to do is show viewers like 810 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: what it was like, which is very different from sort 811 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: of covering it, commentating on it, having a take, Like 812 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: the show doesn't really like never was designed to have 813 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,280 Speaker 1: a take. The show is there to bring you inside 814 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: the world of progolf in a way that no one's 815 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: ever seen before. And when we started filming, we had 816 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of players that we're members of the PGA Tour. 817 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: By the time we finished filming. Some of those players 818 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: were no longer members of the tour, but they're still 819 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: part of the show, and we wanted to make sure 820 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: that we were we were like living up to our 821 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: kind of promises to them, which was we were going 822 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: to just be a fly on the wall in your life. 823 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: If you let us in, we're gonna tell your story. 824 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: And and that's the approach that we took, is like, 825 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: we're it's not our job to shape a narrative. Our 826 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: job is to show up with the cameras, turn them on, 827 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: and and make the player feel like we're not there 828 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: in the room. And I think that you'll I think 829 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: that that is the piece of it that I probably 830 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: most proud of the way of that length, that storyline 831 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: unfolds in the series across you know, multiple episodes and 832 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: multiple characters and multiple points of view. I think it's 833 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: it's um. I think we were fair to everybody involved 834 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: as to you know, letting them be the ones that 835 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: drive how those stories are told, you know, because it's 836 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: in their own words. You know, there's no narration in 837 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: this show. There's no narrative. There's no voice of God, 838 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: there's no voice over, there's there's the verity scenes that 839 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: we filmed with the players and there's them talking about 840 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: what it was like, and you know, we were trying 841 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,959 Speaker 1: to be as true to that as we possibly could. 842 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: So obviously you know, from a from an interest and 843 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: from a storytelling standpoint and a creating rivalries and just 844 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: you know and drama like, yeah, you could not have 845 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: asked for a richer tapestry to to do something like 846 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: this within because all of a sudden, you know, the 847 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: stakes just got a lot bigger than who was gonna 848 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: win that week, um, you know, and who was on 849 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: a major drought versus you know, it was playing slow 850 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: or all those things that we you know, I thought 851 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: maybe was going to be some of the storylines. Um 852 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: and And I think what's interesting is you really do 853 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: get a sense of the players, whichever side of that 854 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: they fall, Like you can see in their personalities, like, 855 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, kind of how they ended up where they 856 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: ended up at the end of the year, you know, 857 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: in terms of like what they the way they think 858 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: about their their business and their life and their game 859 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: and their families versus you know, yeah, all those other things. 860 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: So it's um, it's it's really been a fascinating experience 861 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: and obviously we could not have planned for anything like 862 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: this to happen, and just so happened that we were there, 863 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: and um, you know, we're pumped for you for everybody 864 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: to watch it. Um, you mentioned that, I think that's interesting. 865 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: You guys are chronicling as opposed to covering. But the 866 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 1: fact that all of this stuff happened in two and 867 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: the cameras were rolling that you you guys were all 868 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: there and you were getting, as you said, you were 869 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: getting what people were saying about all of these events 870 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 1: in their own words. Um, was there any pressure externally 871 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: when all of this happened, because obviously it's great storytelling 872 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: for you guys as as as people. You know, you're like, Okay, 873 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: this is crazy that this is happening. It's great for 874 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: us that we're doing this. But also there it was 875 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: about the p g A tour. Was there pressure externally 876 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: for you guys to push this in a direction, because, 877 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: like you said, you're not you're not covering, You're trying 878 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: to tell a story. But it would have been easy 879 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: for someone to say, Okay, the story has now changed, 880 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: we need you to focus on this part. Yeah, I 881 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: mean we the PGA Tour has been really amazing to 882 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: work with throughout the whole process, and I'd say the 883 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: same thing about all the major governing bodies. And you know, 884 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: when we showed up, we asked for access and we 885 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: said we're gonna we're gonna follow those stories as they develop, 886 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: and they really like lived up to that in terms 887 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: of not exerting any kind of editorial pressure on the series. 888 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of trust mutually that like 889 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: we would be focusing on the players, and I think 890 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: that's like that's where we kept coming back to, is 891 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: like does this matter to the player? Like if we 892 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: are if you have given us access to your life, 893 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: Like what's important to the show is what's important to you, 894 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: the player. And so to the extent that the drama 895 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: of Live in the PGA Tour is expressed in a series, 896 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: it's really through the perspective of players and sort of 897 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: both sides of it. And we really tried not to 898 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: like editorialize it because it's it is like it is 899 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: about the players, and and that was true. Showing up 900 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: at the majors, same thing. You know, there's some majors 901 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: that have a lot of tradition and a lot of 902 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, the way they're covered and the way that 903 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: the broadcast is presented, and like, you know, we we 904 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: showed up and said, like, we're not here to to 905 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: do the story of this tournament. We're here to do 906 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: the story of what it's like to play in it 907 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: as a player. That's the difference. You know, you could 908 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: make a doc about your major, you could make a 909 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: doc about the you know, hundred fifties Open Championship, but like, 910 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: what we want is to show people what it was 911 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: like to compete in that from with months of lead up, 912 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, getting to that moment standing on that tea 913 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: and hitting that shot on the seventy second hole. Like 914 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: that's that's the feeling that we're trying to get. And 915 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: I think it just it gave us some space to 916 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: like let the stories tell themselves and unfold as we 917 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: were as we were in it, because our only narrative 918 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: was like again, showing people what it was like to 919 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: be one of those players in the middle of all 920 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: of this. Lastly, UM Chat, what do you think the 921 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: viewers that see this next week, um and over the 922 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: course of the remaining episodes, what do you think they'll 923 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: be most surprised about. I think that they will be 924 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: most surprised at the Boston fans at the US Open 925 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: and how much ship talking there was there. No I mean, 926 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: every time I watched the episode that really centers on 927 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 1: that tournament, I'm just shocked by like how much chatter 928 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: is going on, and you just never see that on 929 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: the broadcast. Like it's it's crazy, Like we hear it NonStop. 930 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm like at the biggest golf 931 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: nerd ever and I had no idea how intense that 932 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: is and how you can tune it out. So I mean, 933 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of a mundane thing. I don't I probably 934 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 1: have a better answer to that, but like, but just 935 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: that and of itself like blows me away that how 936 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: you could like get your head in the moment to 937 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: like actually not listen to anything and like going execute. 938 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: I think like the other big takeaway, I think what 939 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: what I'm really excited about is like, you know, this 940 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 1: world is a traveling circus and it's the same people 941 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: showing up weekend and week out each other. It's like, yeah, 942 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: it is, and and I think you you probably noticed 943 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 1: that it is like high school. There's the cool kids, 944 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: there's the nerds, there's the breakups. It's heard these two people. 945 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: It is. People always ask you, what's the PJ tour look. 946 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like it's like high school. It's like 947 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: being in high school. Every year. You see the same 948 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: people every single week. It's the same, the same kind 949 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,720 Speaker 1: of thing. And um, I hope that you make them. 950 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the circus part of it looks um Chad, 951 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 1: that you and your team and um, you guys have 952 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: done a great job at making the circus element look 953 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: much cooler than it is. Because let me tell you, 954 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: if you guys can make all that ship look glamorous, 955 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: because yes, the private jets are great, and yes, all 956 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: this stuff, but none of us. I always say that 957 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: to people, Oh you fly away on private Jess, Like, 958 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm never going anywhere that I want to go. It's 959 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: not it's not like it's not like I'm going to 960 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, Coachella with with a bunch of people. Like 961 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: we're just going from point A to point B, and yeah, 962 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: it gets us there faster, but it's it's certainly not glamorous. Yeah, yeah, 963 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to not consider private jets glamorous 964 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: in some respect. They are like time machines for when 965 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: you have one of them. I totally get that. I think, like, 966 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, but the high school analogy is a great one. 967 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a great scene where like we 968 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 1: have a player who we are having to be following, 969 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: and you know, this is not a top ten player, 970 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: somebody who's journeyman, who's like not I would say journeyman, 971 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: but someone who's like really just finding their place on 972 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: the you know, in pro golf. And like to show 973 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: about a major, like go into the player dining area 974 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: and like look for a place to sit and there's 975 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: like the three biggest golfers in the world at a 976 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: table with like an empty seat, and it's like do 977 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: you sit down with them, like you just played a 978 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: great round, Like did you earn a spot that table 979 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: or not? Like or do you just go walk by 980 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: and say like hey guys you know in the league. 981 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: And it's like that played out a real time was 982 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,879 Speaker 1: as we were filming, and we're like, oh my god, 983 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: this is high school like all over again, you know. 984 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: And and it's just like you see the players on television, 985 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: you're watching them compete. You don't realize that like these 986 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: guys have blockers next to each other every single week. 987 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: They're in the trailer working out together every single week. 988 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: Like they know so much about each other's games and 989 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: about each other's lives and like what's going on and 990 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: it's uh. And they played like money games all the time, 991 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 1: Like there's just so much like trying to get an 992 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: edge all the time, and it's just it's the whole 993 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: thing is is fascinating And it's been a joy and 994 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: really a dream come true for me to get to 995 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: like and like drop into it. And and we've been 996 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: really lucky that the players have like really bought in 997 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: and they get what it is. And you know, credit 998 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: Drive Survived for a lot of that, Like a lot 999 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: of the players are big fans of that show, so 1000 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: they kind of understood what you're trying to do. But 1001 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: it's very different to say that you watch Drive to 1002 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: Survive and then to like let the cameras into your 1003 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,720 Speaker 1: house when you're in the final group at a major 1004 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: like in the morning. That was another one where I 1005 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: always wanted, like what do you do if you're in 1006 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 1: that final group and you're teeing off at like two pm? 1007 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: Like what do you do Sunday morning, like seven o'clock. 1008 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,320 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? You watch the term tournament? 1009 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,280 Speaker 1: Do you play video games? You talk to your family, 1010 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: what do you It's like, well, you're gonna see what 1011 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: you do because we were there and and uh, you know, 1012 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 1: it's just like all those little moments, you know, come 1013 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: together to make something. I think that is really special 1014 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: and we're really proud of Well, I I for one, 1015 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm really excited. I can't wait to 1016 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: see it. Um. I hope that I'm in it. And 1017 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: I hope you made me look cool. That's all I 1018 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: want to say, because I don't. Oh yeah, hey, listen, congrats. UM. 1019 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: I know it was a big, big workload for you guys, 1020 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 1: and uh, I can honestly say for everyone listening, Um 1021 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,919 Speaker 1: you everybody listen. You have no idea how hard you know, Chad, 1022 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: you and your team, you guys every single week. Um, 1023 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 1: you guys did a great job. And I am really excited. 1024 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: Is there going to be season two? Stay tuned on? 1025 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: That wouldn't get me the exclusive Thanks for that. I 1026 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Listen, chat, I'm excited. Um, congrats on on 1027 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: everything that you guys have done and I think everybody, 1028 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: uh is going to be really excited to see it. 1029 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch and UM, you know, congrats, thank you 1030 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: so much. Cold. It's been a lot of fun. So 1031 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: that was Chad mom, And like I said at the beginning, 1032 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm really really excited to see this. Um. It was 1033 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,879 Speaker 1: fun to to watch. Um, you know, all these new 1034 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: people come to the PGA tour and and listen, when 1035 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: you're when you're working with players in an individual sport. 1036 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that it was it 1037 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,959 Speaker 1: was a steep learning curve for Chad and his entire 1038 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: crew and and the whole Netflix team. Um, it's not 1039 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: like a team sport, you know, it's not like, um, 1040 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: everybody practices at the same time, and so tour players 1041 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: can be a little bit of a moving target. So UM, 1042 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,479 Speaker 1: you know, I think Chad and the crew have done 1043 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: an amazing job. I haven't seen any of it yet, 1044 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,280 Speaker 1: but justin watching, um you know how hard they worked, UM, 1045 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: the amount of hours they put in, and how they 1046 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 1: really did a great job at gaining everybody's trust. Because 1047 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: that's the other thing I mean, when when something like 1048 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: this is pitched, it sounds like a great idea, but 1049 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: then when you realize if you're one of the players 1050 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: that was a part of this and and and I 1051 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: went through this and being around um DJ when the 1052 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: cameras around, I mean, you have to realize that they're 1053 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: going to be around and and be taping and it's 1054 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: it's crazy, and um I think it's gonna be cool. 1055 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: The teasers look great. I think everybody's going to get 1056 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 1: a really really unique insight into um what life is 1057 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,400 Speaker 1: like as a UM as a touring professional. And I 1058 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: can't wait to see it. And hopefully all I'm going 1059 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: to say is for the limited amount that I'm in 1060 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: this thing, hopefully they make me look good. So uh, 1061 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 1: I hope everybody watches again. It comes out full swing 1062 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 1: on Netflix February. Go check it out. Thanks everybody for listening. 1063 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: Son of a which comes to you every Wednesday. We 1064 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: will see you all next week.