1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ? Buck 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: with you? Buck? What is going on? How you doing? Man? Nothing? 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Man, We're about to take on like one of the 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: things that we talked about, Like I'm talking about super 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: Bowl and all this other stuff. So I'm excited about it. 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad this thing is is finally getting here. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: It always feels like it just takes forever to get 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: to the super Bowl, man, So I'm glad we're we're 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: getting there. It's right around the corner. You are Are 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: you in studio Sunday? Are you? Are you in on 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: this thing? Yeah? We're together in the game. 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, we goold to watch it. We good to watch 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: it early. So it should be a lot of fun 15 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: to kind of see it. How we get down? 16 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Are you doing that? Are you doing the halftime thing too? Uh? Yeah? 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: So I get me you and rhtt? Is that what 18 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: we got? Yeah? 19 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: Me, you're rhtt. While the world is watching Kendrick Lamar, 20 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: we're talking. 21 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: No, not the world, no no, no, no, no no. He 22 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: split fifty to fifty fifty percent of the world watching, 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: you know, Grammy winning award winning Kendrick entertainer extraordinary. But 24 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: the other half of the country is gonna flip over 25 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: to us on NFL Network without access to highlights as 26 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: we break down twenty minutes commercial free, uh chatter about 27 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: the first half of the Super Bowl. Come yeah, come 28 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: hang with us. You know my sales pitch. 29 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine. I'm looking forward to it. It should 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. 31 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Keep getting it, you know me though, Like I'll be 32 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: sitting up there in the in the back of the 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: viewing room. I'm just gonna have I'm bringing my tape 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: up there. The Super bowls on. I'll be watching I 35 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: probably watching the Maryland tackle you told me about yesterday. 36 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: I'll be getting in Usuly all right today, Buck, I 37 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: want to start with some super Bowl stuff. Then we'll 38 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: get to a draft topic here. But when we're looking 39 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: at this Super Bowl, I was just kind of curious 40 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: your take on it. If there's going to be like 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: a like a I do want to say, out of 42 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: left field, but just maybe not the obvious one. If 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: there's going to be someone in this game that we 44 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: look up and go, oh my gosh, like this person 45 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: kind of had the game of his life and ended 46 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: up helping their team win the Super Bowl. Is there 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: a name like that, just kind of the first name 48 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: that pops into your head? Who that would be? 49 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown? Wo Hollywood Brown showing up the last couple 50 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: of weeks, right, So I don't think it's a coincidence 51 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, the can see the Chiefs 52 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: put up thirty points against the Buffalo Bills. We saw 53 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown play more than he's played because he's been injured. 54 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: You now have another vertical threat to go alongside Xavier Worthy. 55 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: It changes the dimension. It's like playing basketball instead of 56 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: having just one three point shooter and then you got two. 57 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: It stretches the defense. And who benefits from that, Travis 58 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: Kelcey and everyone underneath. Hollywood Brown, to me is the 59 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: X factor because everyone's gonna pay attention to his Zavier 60 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: Worthy because of his speed. They're gonna try and pay 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: attention to Travis Kelsey because of how critical he is 62 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: to that offense in Key downs Man. That just leaves 63 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: some one on one opportunities for Hollywood Brown to get loose. 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: And this is in my mind, they brought him there. 65 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: They brought him there to be the big playmaker that 66 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: could do some things. And for a team where we've 67 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: seen guys like Kadarius Tony and Mikoe Harmon make big 68 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: plays in key moments, it just seems like Hollywood Brown 69 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: is destined to be a difference maker in this game. 70 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: So I was looking at it, and I was looking 71 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: at this game, and I was looking at it from 72 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: the other side of it, right, So I'm gonna look 73 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: at it from the Philadelphia Eagles side of things. And 74 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: if you look at super Bowls where a defense has 75 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: kind of taken over, we always say it, you know, 76 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: with the Tom Brady Super Bowls that they've lost, what 77 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: has been the you know what's been the issue. It's 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: been interior pressure. Right, That's a quarterback's absolute worst nightmare. 79 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: So I'm looking at this Chiefs offensive line, who has 80 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: some really really good players and tunings played great since 81 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: he's gone out there to left tackle, and I'm just 82 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: looking at it, bucking. There's one name, like if we're 83 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: gonna say Waldo, like where is he? Who is he? 84 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: Mike Caliendo is the name that is the one that 85 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: I'm keeping an eye on. Then you start going, okay, well, 86 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: you've got you've got Nolan Smith on one side, you 87 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: got sweat on the other. They'll probably chip those dudes 88 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: on the way out the door, so they're trying to 89 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: slow Andy's gonna try and slow down those edge guys. 90 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: You know they're gonna slide to Jalen Carter. You know 91 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna help Jalen Carter. He's gonna have 92 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: four hands on him at all times. So I'm just 93 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: looking at this and I'm thinking, you know what, Uncle Milty, 94 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: Milton Williams is scheduled to be He's gonna be a 95 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: free agent after this after this season. Milton Williams is. 96 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: He is explosive, he is very dynamic, He's very explosive. 97 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: And I'm just looking at this and I'm saying, Okay, 98 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: what's the who could kind of like sneaky kind of 99 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: wreck this game. And I'm like, it could be Milton 100 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: Williams on Mike Callendo, Like that could be a matchup 101 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: that nobody's thinking about, nobody's talking about. But we always 102 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: use the phrase, hey, let's clear the dance floor, you know, 103 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: and ideally like to clear the dance floor for your 104 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: best player, which would be Jalen Carter. Andy's too smart. 105 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: He's not going to let Jalen Carter wreck them in 106 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: this game. There's no way. So that's why I think 107 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: the one on one that could be the sneaky one 108 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: on one that helps the Eagles out. 109 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what I'll say about the Villa Deva Eagles. 110 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: And look, man, I'll say this, and look how he's 111 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: your friend. I love what he's done in terms of 112 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: their investment and commitment to the front line DJ they 113 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: create these opportunities for the unhralded guys to get loose. 114 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: Looking back now and just thinking that Jalen Carter was available, right, 115 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: and then they took a Nolan Smith who's available at 116 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: the bottom of the thing. And so now you look 117 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: at these one on one opportunities where you have to 118 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: account for those guys and they get loose, and now 119 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have Milton Wilson, just Milton Williams just walking 120 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: to succept because if you don't account for Jalen Carter, 121 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: Jalen Carter will completely wreck the game. He will wreck 122 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: the game by himself, and that is going to lead 123 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: to some guys having chances that are going to be there, 124 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: and we can talk about the Can City Chiefs offensive 125 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: line and put Throonie out there and all that, but 126 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: they have been vulnerable up front and Pat Mahomes can 127 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: run around, but this is a very athletic front lit 128 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: and they can get them. And to me, I think 129 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: that's a good call. 130 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: I just think Andy is and this is a compliment 131 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: to Andy more than anything else, is that he's not 132 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: going to get hit with the right hand in this game. 133 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: And the right hand is Jalen Carter, and then you 134 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: could say the other right hand is those edge rushers. 135 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: So you can get you can double Jalen, slide to Jalen, 136 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: you can chip with tight ends and backs on the 137 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: edge rushers, try and make them have to work through 138 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: a lot of mess. But somebody's got to be one 139 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: on one. And that's the one that I'm looking at. 140 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: I'm going like, Okay, maybe that's where that one on 141 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: one is. 142 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: It's so fun that we always talk about it, right, 143 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: and on the previous spot we talked about experience in 144 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: those things. You're right, Andy Reid is not going to 145 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: get caught with the right hand. You may knock him out, 146 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to hit him with a left 147 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: or an uppercut, something that is not what you typically do, 148 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: and it's going to require somebody else to do it. 149 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: The chess match between Andy Reid and Vic Fangio is 150 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: going to be fascinating and how they try and set 151 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: this up and how they try and take away the 152 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: right hand, because what is Fangio going to go in 153 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: trying to take away like people will always say, and 154 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: they got to take away Travis kelce maybe or maybe 155 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 1: he lets Travis Kelcey eat and takes away the other guys, 156 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: knowing that Travis Kelcey is not gonna produce a big play. 157 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: But whatever it is, he is not going to let 158 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahame just have a run of the run of 159 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: the land and do whatever he wants to do. So 160 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: this has to be a great chess match that we're 161 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: gonna watch now. 162 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm also curious to see, like what the wrinkle is 163 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: because Andy's always drawn up, you know, some unique plays 164 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: that they haven't shown, and Spags will dial up a 165 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: unique blitz like he did at the end of the 166 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: game against the Bills. But I'm also thinking, like what's 167 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: the unexpected? You know, if you're the Chiefs, you got 168 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: a difficult pass rush you're dealing with, right, and you've 169 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: got a young secondary. As someone who's played in the secondary, buck, 170 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: you know how important communication is in the back end. 171 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: And I know if I go tempo, I can tire 172 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: out the front and I can force the back end 173 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: to communicate and put some chaos in their in their 174 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: world a little bit, doesn't it. I just think it 175 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: makes all the sense in world if your cantasity to 176 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: come out and try and run a lot of tempo 177 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: in this game? 178 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Oh why, I mean why not? Like, why not try 179 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: and wear them down? And you know what, I'll say, 180 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: this temple is the greatest equalizer. Think about the game. 181 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: The game is one where emotions are running hot. I'll 182 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: tell you DJ, Like, it's the most exhausted that you 183 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: will get in the playoffs in the super Bowl because 184 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: everything is ratcheted up. You had a fever pitch, so 185 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the middle of the first quarter you're looking for that 186 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: second win. If you add in some tempo because of 187 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: all of the stuff that you have, absolutely is an advantage. 188 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: And if you're able to sustain drives and really get 189 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: them deep into a drive, yeah, man, it's something that 190 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: it weighs in your favor significant. 191 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: No question. All right. That was that was the topic 192 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: I want to hit you on because I was just curious, 193 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: like what comes to mind when you're thinking of maybe 194 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: something out side the norm that ends up winning this 195 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: ball game. All right, Buck, let's take a quick break. 196 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: Come back. We're going to switch gears a little bit 197 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: to the draft. I want to talk about the strength 198 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: of this draft. It is one position and it stands 199 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: well above every other. We'll get to that right after this. So, Buck, 200 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: when I was looking at it, I'm sitting here at 201 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl and I've just finished up my top fifty. 202 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: You kind of send it in and I'm looking at 203 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: it and kind of going over it, and I'm like, man, 204 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: do I have too many defensive linemen in here? Like 205 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: I have sixteen defensive linemen in my top fifty? Like 206 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: I don't remember that in the past, And I'm just 207 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: going through. I'm like, no, those, I can make it case. 208 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: There's a couple more I could have snuck in there. 209 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: And then you go and you visit with a bunch 210 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: of buddies around the league, and you know, as they're 211 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: starting to get deep into this draft process, there, everybody's 212 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: kind of on the same page. Man, this is what 213 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: this draft is. This is a defensive line draft. 214 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: And DJ we talked about for so long. If you 215 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: want to be a championship team, you got to be 216 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: in the trenches. Like, we have enough evidence to see 217 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: that the teams that are always in the hunt are 218 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: teams that have committed to drafting in the trenches. This 219 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: is one where your your philosophy matches what is available 220 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: because the guys that you're going to mention that we're 221 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: about to talk about in this mock draft, they all 222 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: are worthy of being graded in the first round. Like 223 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: there are no reaches, There's no oh well I think 224 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: he No, these guys are kind of tried and true 225 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: players that you certainly deserve to kind of put in 226 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: their first their first round consideration, the first round class. 227 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, as you look at that mock draft, I had 228 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: Abdull Carter going to the Titans, which you know, that 229 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: was more off of that, you know, thought when they 230 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: came out and said we're not going to pass on 231 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: a generational player, It's like, okay, well that was kind 232 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: of made some sense to me. That's why I was 233 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: leaning for a fit there put him next to Simmons 234 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: and now you got pretty pretty explosive defensive front. Mason 235 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: Graham to the Jags, Buck you can speak specifically on 236 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 2: that one. What would he bring there to Jacksonville. 237 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: Well, what he brings is and into your presence, someone 238 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: that is disruptive, someone that is physical, feisty, does a 239 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: really good job of playing with his hands. And people 240 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: are going to talk about the arm that that would 241 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: be the thing that we have to figure out with him. 242 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: When it comes to the type and armlength that'll be 243 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: He's gonna get hit on both. 244 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: He's going to get hit on those things. But I'm 245 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: gonna tell you, man, this dude is a monster at 246 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: the point of attack. And for a team who look 247 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: desperately needs someone to kind of go with Mason Smith 248 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: on the inside. To me, I think he's a terrific 249 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: play man and people talking about the Von Hamilton whatever, 250 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: but this dude is different at the point of attack. 251 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: Yep. That's I think he brings some just some professionalism too, 252 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: like just with the way he plays like he is 253 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: a professional effort and performance impact performance each and every week. 254 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: Michael Williams from the Saints. That's just because they've just 255 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 2: been creature collectors, Like that's what they've done there in 256 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: their personnel apartment. They have found long rangey, athletic, physical, 257 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: defensive lineman. That's kind of when they're mo and he's 258 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: he played hurt this whole year at Georgia. So the 259 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: numbers aren't going to impress you, but man, he's there 260 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: is this someone He'll he'll blow up in the spring too, 261 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: because you're gonna see how how big an athletic he is. 262 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: So that's the thing that we've seen, and we've seen 263 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: it for a long time. Those big athletic guys that 264 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: have the prototypical tools, they tend to pop. And I 265 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: just think about Georgia and the pedigree and the pipeline 266 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: because I see it every week when I look at 267 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, someone who didn't have a lot of sack production, 268 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: but he had the tools that he's become a guy 269 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: that has hit double digit sacks in the league despite 270 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: not being refined. To me, that is everything we talk 271 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: about traits a lot, right, We talk about traits a 272 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: lot in the scouting community and how it can translate 273 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: into performance and production. I believe he has the traits 274 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: that will translate into outstanding production. 275 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's gonna be fascinating to see how high 276 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: he goes, because that is the debate production versus Walter 277 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: Nolan from Ole miss had him going to the Bengals 278 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: at seventeen. They have got to fix the defense, I 279 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: would imagine, and we talked about it the other day. 280 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: They were going to do their best to keep the 281 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: group intact on the offensive side of the ball. In 282 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: terms of free agency, put a fence around those guys, 283 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: don't let them leave. But in the draft, they've got 284 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: to get more dynamic and up front. Walter Nolan, I 285 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was he's 286 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: so twitchy and so explosive. Now he's he's got a 287 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: little bit of when the battle lose the war to him, like, 288 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 2: I'd like to see him finish a little bit better, 289 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 2: but he will. He's gonna whoop the guy that's over him. 290 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: I can tell you that much. 291 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, INDEJ. There's something to be said for guys that 292 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: are worker bees, right, We've talked about it. We've seen 293 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: some of the great pass rushers are not guys that 294 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: always win with the first move, but they're relentless in 295 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: their approach and that competitive stamina matters, and he shows 296 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: that he displays it. You got a chance to see 297 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: it uploads and personal. But look his stands up whenever 298 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: you watch him on tape. 299 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. The next one, I just went with a connection there, 300 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant going to the Seahawks. Coach McDonald had been 301 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: around him in Michigan. That was kind of the math there. 302 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: Well, I mean why not like DJ like, we like 303 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: the inside track, right, and the inside track is knowing 304 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: the personality outside of the player, knowing what motivates him 305 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: and because you've coached him as a young player, you 306 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: kind of know not only where he would fit in 307 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: your schemes, but you know what buttons to push to 308 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: get him to play at his best. Sometimes. Look, we 309 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: talk about mock drafting. Sometimes this is obvious as digging 310 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: into those connections. To me, like, well, that makes sense, 311 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: let's connect the dots. 312 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Shamar Stewart, he might be one of the 313 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: more polarizing players. I had him going to the Packers 314 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: because again, the Packers just seem to find the most 315 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: athletic SEC front seven defender and take him. So that's 316 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: why I went with Shamar Stewart another one where a 317 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: lot of disruption, not a lot of production. Saw him 318 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl and he is very dynamic, but 319 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: he is raw, does not really have a game plan 320 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: as a pass rusher, but someone who might be the 321 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: biggest wild card in the entire draft, regardless of position. 322 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the Green Bay Packers and what 323 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: is their philosophy draft and develop. What did the Green 324 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: Bay Packers traditionally? Do they take prototypes, guys that have 325 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: the prototypical measurements that play for a long time in 326 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: the league. What do they believe in? They believe in 327 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: coaching their guys and giving them opportunities. They also draft 328 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: guys high, but they are not committed to necessarily playing 329 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: them early. They're redcher to developed them and then you'll 330 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: see a young athletic defense emerge. To me, that is 331 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: the perfect environment there because they're drafting him before they 332 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: really need him. And so if it does work out 333 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: like that, man, if you're the Packers, this is what 334 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: you do. This is what you've always done from a 335 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: philosophical standpoint. 336 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Yep, no doubt. You get to the twenty eighth pick, 337 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: Mike Green from Marshall who had a phenomenal week down 338 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: a Senior Bowl, didn't end up playing the game, but 339 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: is someone who just knows how to rush and would 340 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: be a perfect compliment on the opposite side of Aiden Hutchinson. Man. 341 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: You know, Man, I take this from your old mentor, Asieknews, 342 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: some sack production translate when you watch him at Marshall 343 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: those seventeen sacks that he got, Man, it is speed, explosiveness, power, 344 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: it's relentlessness, it's high effort, high energy, all that. And 345 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: I know it's a big number. Some people will say 346 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: like it has been of a one year number because 347 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the jump in production was so significant. But sometimes you 348 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: got to buy on the comp and I'm willing to 349 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: buy on the compan that he's going to be able 350 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: to replicate it there. You don't. You don't get that 351 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: many sacks in college and not find a way to 352 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback in the NFL. 353 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: And go to the senior bowe and beat good tax everybody, 354 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: Come one, come home. Bill's defense. Derek Harmon out of Oregon, 355 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: someone who when you look at all these all the 356 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: advanced numbers and stuff of like win rate, pressure rate, 357 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: all that stuff, he's he's outstanding and someone when you're 358 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: watching Oregon play, just lives on the other side of 359 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, the. 360 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: Really good player. And we can talk about it like 361 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: it's hard, we can poke hole in a bunch of people. 362 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: But these guys that are rated as first round players, 363 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: they certainly have the talented tools to really make it 364 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: to the next level. 365 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: TJ. Sanders out of South Carolina, really good defensive front. 366 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: There had him going to the Eagles at thirty one. 367 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: Someone who's a little bit undersize in terms of weight, 368 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: but is really really quick, you know, two hundred ninety pounds. 369 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: But along the interior there's he's long, he's rangey, he's disruptive. 370 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: And again the Eagles, and I know this from talking 371 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: to them, Buck, they don't worry about year one. They 372 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 2: set their board based off year two, year three, Like 373 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: that's I mean, we don't need them, We don't need 374 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: them yere one. 375 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: Well, if you really think about drafting and the way 376 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: the process was supposed to be from a purity standpoint, 377 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: that is what it's supposed to be. You grading not 378 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: on what he does year one, but what you expect 379 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: him to do by the end of year three. It 380 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: makes sense. And because they've done a really good job 381 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: of stockpiling the cupboard, they don't have to force them 382 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: onto the field. They can be patient and wait for them. 383 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: Look at what Nolan Smith has done. Lick at what 384 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: they've been able to do with their players when they 385 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: have taken this slow approach. It takes a while for 386 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: the popcorn colonels to pop, but they certainly pop in 387 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: Philadephia a lot. He would be a great fit. 388 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: Lastly, the Chiefs had taken James Pierce, who I have 389 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: rated higher as a player, polarizing player around the league. 390 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 2: He's really really real fin but he knows how to 391 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: rush and he is he is explosive and juicy coming 392 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: off the edge. 393 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: No, it's funny, man, because I think about Leonard Floyd 394 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: right in terms of that's. 395 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: A great that's a great comp How was you just wanted. 396 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: To be like, Look, I'll say this, I think he 397 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: had more juice as a pass rush than Leonard Floyd 398 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: displayed when he was at Georgia. But this dude is 399 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: is good. He has a knack for he's tough. I 400 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: can't say enough about the feistiness that he plays with. Yeah, 401 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: he's polarizing, but DJ, it's all about like the team 402 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: fit and what you what you need. He is someone 403 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: that we know, at a minimum he could be a 404 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: situational pass rush that can come in and get you 405 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: some sack products. 406 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no doubt. That's ten defensive lineman I had 407 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: going in the first round of that mock draft, which 408 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: is which is pretty wild. But I think that's might 409 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: even be short, might even have more than that one. 410 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: It's all sto and then that's what kind of draft 411 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: it is, all right, Buck? Happy super Bowl weekend. I 412 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: will see you on Sunday and I'll see all of 413 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: our viewers and listeners. We're gonna come check us out. 414 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: Kendrick Klamar, come. 415 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: On, come on, come on over halftime. 416 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: You wins and you get to see the three of us, 417 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: maybe some claymation. Are we allowed to do a claymation? 418 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: No fun show? All right? I appreciate you guys. We'll 419 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: see you next time. Right here, I'll move the sticks.