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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number two and

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Speaker 1: today's show, we put together possibly the greatest panel of

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Speaker 1: saddle hunters in the history of podcasting to cover everything

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Speaker 1: you need to know to become a saddle hunter. And

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Speaker 1: now let's get to the show. And as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: we have an incredible roundtable of saddle hunters here today

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Speaker 1: to cover everything from the basics of saddle hunting right

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Speaker 1: up to the expert level tricks and tips and next

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Speaker 1: level stuff, I think, more comprehensively than we've ever done before.

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Speaker 1: In the show, we cover everything you could possibly need

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Speaker 1: to know to get going with a saddle. And you'll

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Speaker 1: hear me say this in the interview here in a

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Speaker 1: few minutes, but I want to reiterate it here at

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Speaker 1: the top. I think you guys have noticed that I'm

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Speaker 1: not big on pushing gear. Hopefully over the years you've

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Speaker 1: noticed that I'm not hammering you guys about needing this

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Speaker 1: product or needing this one, or name dropping this brand

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Speaker 1: or that brand. I really don't like doing that very

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Speaker 1: much because just personally, when I'm consuming or listening or

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Speaker 1: watching other hunting media, I find it really annoying when

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Speaker 1: of the people are doing that, So I try to

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Speaker 1: avoid that as much as possible. But in some cases,

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Speaker 1: when I really am like very very interested, very excited,

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Speaker 1: And this is one of those cases where, like, I truly,

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Speaker 1: honestly am so personally excited about how saddle has changed

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Speaker 1: out there for you guys, because I really do think

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Speaker 1: this is an option that can help a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: and based off the feedback and questions I've been getting

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Speaker 1: over the last year since I first started talking about

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Speaker 1: a lot of interest and intrigue out there from you

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Speaker 1: guys too, so helping us cover off on all things

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Speaker 1: Guru and my good buddy Andy May. We have the

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Speaker 1: godfather of saddle hunting and legendary Michigan bow hunter John Eberhardt,

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Speaker 1: and we have super long time saddle hunters and now

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Speaker 1: manufacturers of the Tethered brand saddle, Greg Godfrey and Ernie

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Speaker 1: Power to round out the crew. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: I welcome you to the Ultimate And just let me

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Speaker 1: take this back. Imagine I didn't say that, and now

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Speaker 1: just imagine this in an announcer's voice, like like a

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Speaker 1: WWF announcer's voice, and I can't do it, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna do a good job here. But just imagine

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Speaker 1: maybe Joe Rogan UFC announcers saying, welcome to the Ultimate

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Speaker 1: Attle Hunting Roundtable. Boom boom boom. I'm so weird. I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoyed this one. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X.

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Speaker 1: We're doing another one of those mobile podcasts, and it's

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Speaker 1: particularly titled. When I say mobile podcast, I'm actually talking

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Speaker 1: I guess he would say. We're a suite in south

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Speaker 1: central Michigan, and I'm joined by an all star cast

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Speaker 1: of mobile hunters saddling. We have from left or right.

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Speaker 1: We got Ernie power from Tethered. How many years of

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Speaker 1: saddle hunting experience do you have, Ernie, I over ten.

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Speaker 1: But I'd have a hard time pinning it down, I

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Speaker 1: And you know, I could go back and find like

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Speaker 1: when I started on the form and when I started

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Speaker 1: just like, I spent so much time in a tree anyways,

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Speaker 1: this is an easy way to get in and I

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Speaker 1: how long have you been using the saddle? For thirty

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Speaker 1: eight years? You've been using a saddle longer than I

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Speaker 1: have been a lot right there, started the first year

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Speaker 1: anything else. What does it feel like to you today

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Speaker 1: when you see this thing that you've been telling people

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Speaker 1: number one? Very uh fulfilling ingratiating that you finally finally

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors fan. I've been I've been talking about

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Speaker 1: this forever. No, it's it's the first one. I've been

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Speaker 1: Tethered they got into it last year, jump both feet

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Speaker 1: where it's at. There is no way on God's green Earth,

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Speaker 1: man at the table, Greg Godfrey from Tethered. How long

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Speaker 1: probably be my tenth year. Tenth season. Yeah, this season,

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Speaker 1: I've been doing it for one year. So so what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do here is mostly just shut up and listen,

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Speaker 1: because I've learned a lot in my one year. But

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Speaker 1: I have realized there's lots and lots and lots more

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Speaker 1: have heard about. Now they are intrigued by it. More

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Speaker 1: What about that scenario? Is it gonna work for me?

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Speaker 1: It couldn't work for this. Today, I'm hoping with this

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Speaker 1: Um And I don't think we have to do this

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Speaker 1: using a tree sale John Go, mobility, Andy Uh, decrease

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Speaker 1: ultra light efficient system I could possibly find. So if

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Speaker 1: This year, I was like, oh, I'm prepping like fifteen

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Speaker 1: new trees and I don't need a single tree Stand's

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Speaker 1: gonna climb up my saddle, climb on down. I'm good

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Speaker 1: to go. Nobody can steal it either. No, that's a

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Speaker 1: I've been kind of hammering for the last year. John's

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Speaker 1: need it to have it reach out in front of you.

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00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: But when you're facing the tree, all you need is

430
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: a little, tiny, little screwing bow holder right to your side.

431
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: And then I always screw one in on the back

432
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: side of the tree as well, so if I want

433
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: to move around to the back side for a shot

434
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the tree, I move my

435
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: bow over to that and then I can move around

436
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: my steps to the backside. And then I also use

437
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: one inverted to upside down that I hang my backpack

438
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: because I carry all my accessories in my backpack. And

439
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 1: as far as it's just sending the tree, uh as

440
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: you know what Greg was talking about a minute ago.

441
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: You know you need you need a saddle, you need

442
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: a lineman bell, you need a tree tether. Those are

443
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: have to have and a platform or steps for your ring.

444
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 1: But as far as the sending the tree, you use

445
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: the same exact things you'd use to ascend on a

446
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: hang on, so that would be no different As far

447
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: as getting up to that. You talked about your backpack.

448
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: What kind of different setups do you guys all bring

449
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: to carry in over your gear. I've seen a lot

450
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: of different people do this different ways and in a

451
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: number of folks asking you know, how much gear do

452
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: I have taken? How big of a setup do I need?

453
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: What do you run? Earnie? Uh So, I hunt a

454
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: lot of different weathers, um So I have different backpack

455
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: setups based primarily on how much clothing I have to carry.

456
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Um in September, I don't need much the smallest backpack

457
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: I can get away with and still carrying my stuff.

458
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: But I'm a gadget guy. I still have too much

459
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: stuff in the tree by most people's uh rules. But

460
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: this year I'm I'm gonna be actually doing something new.

461
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: We've got a new backpack that's primarily made for our

462
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: predator platform. Um. And then the other thing I'm gonna

463
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: be using a lot is in the past, I would

464
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: always put a screw and holder to hang my backpack

465
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: on the side of the tree. Um. We've got a

466
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: new accessory gay or holder that are that our predator

467
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: pack marries up too nicely. And the nice thing about

468
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: that is I can pack for an early season hunt

469
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: with my platform, with my climbing method and uh a

470
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: kill kit, and the whole thing slips on my back.

471
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: And then when I get to my tree, I hang

472
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: that accessory hanger and then hang the predator pack. Well,

473
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: at that point, the predator is no longer in it.

474
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: So I've got a big dump pouch right in front

475
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: of me. I love my pouches on my hips for

476
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: my phone or whatever, but all my stuff that I

477
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: need access to is gonna be right there in front

478
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: of me. Uh. In that deal. As the weather gets

479
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: worse and worse, my backpack gets big here. And primarily

480
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: it's because I don't like to put my clothes on

481
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: until I'm actually already been in the tree for an

482
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: hour or so. Um, I get up there, I'm cold,

483
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: all right, at least I'm hot. And then I wait

484
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: till I start to get cold before I put those

485
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: layers on. And so I need a way to carry

486
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: all that clothing with me, have it in the tree,

487
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: and then when it comes time, you know, slowly start

488
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: piecing those on. So yeah, I mean, I don't like

489
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: to carry more than I have to, but I have

490
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: to carry a lot as it gets colder. So what

491
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: about when you're going into hunt and how you're carrying

492
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: all of your all of your stuff. And so the

493
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: way I run it and I'm not very efficient. There's

494
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: some guys who've got a really efficient system. I wish

495
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: I was more like that. I do not have an

496
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: engineering or gear mind, so I always am like a

497
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: fumbling idiot, even when I try to like fine tune

498
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. You gotta be quieter, gotta be smarter,

499
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: gotta be like slow as fast and fastest or was

500
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: as fast as slow or slow as smooth. And that's

501
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: what I'm going for. There you go, that's the thing

502
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. Um, I see, I flow it up

503
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: even from the outset that said. I go in there

504
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: and I usually throw my ropes in like two cargo

505
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: pockets in this side of my pant, and then I

506
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: got the platform on just inside my backpack, and I

507
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: get my sticks on the outside of the backpack, and

508
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm wearing the saddle sneaking in the tree. I put

509
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: the first stick up, and then I take a step up,

510
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: throw the second stick up, and then I tie on

511
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: my Before I do that, I would I would tie

512
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: my pull rope to my platform at the bottom of

513
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: the tree and my bow, and then I climb up

514
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: with my lambman's belt, finish everything off, gets up, then

515
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: pull up the platform, then pull up the bow and

516
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: on some all set blah blah blah um. But I

517
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: probably take too many trips up or too many trips down,

518
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: or too many things going here and there. I've talked

519
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: to some people who have got that nailed how they

520
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: do it in a really quick efficient way. Who here

521
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: has got the best efficient method for going in with

522
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: a full setup like that. I think we probably all

523
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: are pretty efficient. But man, I'm I I would oh

524
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: myself if I had to take multiple trips up and

525
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: down the tree. Hunt in southeast Georgia where it is

526
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: degrees in November. So I have to be efficient and

527
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: I have to be lightweight. And when I'm climbing with sticks,

528
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: I'll climb a bunch of different ways. But on public land,

529
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: I'll climb with sticks and I take one trip up

530
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: the tree. So first stick goes on obviously on the ground. Uh,

531
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: second one and third one get connected to my hips

532
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: on left and right. And how are you connecting torps?

533
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: I use little rubber gear ties like those night Eyes

534
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: night Eyes rubber gear ties. Yeah, a lot of guys

535
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: will make little loops of para cord that just fit

536
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: over you know, the cleat of your climbing stick. You

537
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: loop it in there. You can do it that way.

538
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: There's there's several ways to do it. I used something

539
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: on your settle. Then them onto one of the little

540
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: molly hoops. The molly loops right there on the saddle.

541
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: It's that's what they're there for. Um, go up. Second

542
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: stick goes on off the left hip, Third stick goes

543
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: on off the right hip. So now my hips are clear.

544
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: Pull up my or hang my platform just like you do.

545
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: UM and then climb on tether pull bow up, hang

546
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: it done. I can go from the ground to completely

547
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: set up. If I didn't bring camera gear, it takes

548
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: me an extra few minutes to set up all my

549
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: camera gear. But if I didn't bring camera gear, I

550
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: could be set up in most trees. Unless it's really

551
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: gnarly like Ernie was talking about, there's not many branches,

552
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: not many splits, five or seven minutes from start to finish,

553
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: from wound to tomb, from tip to tail. And best

554
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: ascension method in your opinion for mobile like going in

555
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: there with nothing like a pair of sticks both of

556
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: the time, or what's your favorite? My favorite method isn't

557
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: necessarily looked at nicely on certain properties. Um, hands down.

558
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: If I have a choice, I'm using my spurs. Oh yeah,

559
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: if I have the availability to use for there's no

560
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: way to beat it. Um, Because then I don't care.

561
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna run out of sticks. I'm never gonna

562
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: have to take more than one trip. I put my

563
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: spurs on, I walk up to where I want to be,

564
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: set my platform, stand on the platform, take my spurs off.

565
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Now I've seen this guy climb a tree and spurs

566
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: multiple times. Now he can be up a tree thirty

567
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: ft high. You pick the height in thirty seconds and

568
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: you won't hear him make a sound. He did it

569
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: for a living. Yeah, I mean he's that efficient with it.

570
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm not that efficient with it, but I'm pretty efficient

571
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: taking my time, going slow, trying to be super safe

572
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: with my set of spurs. I can you know ninety seconds,

573
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: I can be up at hunting height and I promise

574
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: you from ten feet away, you wouldn't have heard me

575
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: make a sound. So it is hard to be But

576
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: like Ernie said, it's not always legal. So when it's

577
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: not legal, I I prefer to use sticks, and this

578
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: year I'm running Hawke Helium st X, but I cut

579
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: them down substantially. They come with a set of three.

580
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: I cut them down to twenty two inches to where

581
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: it's just a set of two. Uh, it's just two

582
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: sticks for bulk. Like like Andy said, I don't like

583
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm small. I'm only five ft seven, so I don't

584
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: like having the sticks on my back extend way up

585
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: above my head or down below my butt. So I

586
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: cut them down for um, basically for bulk. But then

587
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: I also use climbing aids because again I'm I'm only

588
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: five seven, so I don't have long legs like you. Unfortunately,

589
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: my little smurf legs can only go so high, so

590
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I gotta use climbing aids to give me that little

591
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: bit of extra umph so I can get to you know,

592
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty two ft depending on the tree, with

593
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: only three climbing sticks. You can explain what you mean

594
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: by aids and how you do that. So the aids

595
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: they come from. The rock climbing world is nothing that

596
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: we invented. It's not a new thing. I've been around

597
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: for decades. But it's essentially a webbing ladder um and

598
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: how how many rungs on the ladder can really depend

599
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Like some guys I know, like uh, they only use one,

600
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: so they'll just have one eighter coming down off. And

601
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: it's essentially a step and an extender made out of

602
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: climbing rated webbing. I use a set of three, so

603
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: I have three wrungs on my eighter and it hangs

604
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: off my stick, so one to three and you CONNECTI

605
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I connect it ump around looped around the top of

606
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: the stick, so I can take it up with me

607
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: as I climb. So for me a short guy, when

608
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: I tie my stick onto the tree, I'm at right

609
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: about seven foot, so I get about seven ft per stick.

610
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: That's pretty huge way sayings when you figure most guys,

611
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: if you're using a standard lone wolf stick that you

612
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: went to Cabella's and bought, you know, it's a thirty

613
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: two inch stick, and you know, depending on how tall

614
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: you are, you can only space that thing, you know,

615
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: eighteen inches to two ft apart. So you're not getting

616
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: more than about fifteen feet max with that scenario. So

617
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: now if you're if you're willing to to learn and

618
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: try new things, you know you can add these little

619
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: things onto your your products and make a much more

620
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: efficient So when I first started, I was climbing with

621
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: five muddy pro sticks and it sucked and and I

622
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: hated it. So I had to figure out a better way.

623
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: And I mean I didn't figure out climbing eighters, but

624
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: I discovered it and I love them. Now I won't

625
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: use climbing sticks without them. Mine's even a little different. Um.

626
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: In your modification video where you made your hockey liium

627
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: cut downs, you moved the bottom steps. I just caught

628
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: it off right there. Oh wow, that's really short. Well,

629
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: I got the in Siam of a beagle. So it's like,

630
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: I really can't take a high step, and so I

631
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: use a five step eight or and a really small stick, um,

632
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: because that's the only way I can pull it off.

633
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: And I when I cut that stick down right at

634
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: the bottom of that second step, it's barely wider than

635
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: my hips walking in. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, So

636
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: you're getting all your height from the aider. Yeah. Yeah,

637
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean if I could find a way to attach

638
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: the aid without the stick, that made sense. I do that, right,

639
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: hasn't when tried, like the wild Edge steps or any

640
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: other things along those lines of just different styles, any

641
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: pros and cons or thoughts on those. I've tried about

642
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: every step, everybody's I've been sent just about everything ever

643
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: made on steps and the wild Edge are just too

644
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: bulky for me, you know, you to give I'm a

645
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm typically thirty feet up to my feet, So wild Edge,

646
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: did you get to that height? You gotta you know,

647
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: you gotta have a dozen of them at least. And

648
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: that's a lot of bulk to me. Everything is about

649
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: bulk when you're not in public land and you're bucking

650
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: brush to get back to places, sticks and all that stuff.

651
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: To me, don't get it. So everything for me is

652
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: in a backpack, and if if I'm d I y

653
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: in it. I'll have a Fannie pack, a three pocket

654
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: fanny that's worn. My My saddle is actually in my backpack,

655
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: rolled up about size of a softball. And then I

656
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: wear a back or a fan any pack below my backpack,

657
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: and it's got steps in it were either rope or

658
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: strap ons or screwings demanding on public or private, and

659
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: I'll just spin it around. I'll hook up my lineman

660
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: belt for my saddle, put saddle on, put the lineman

661
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: belt on, and hooked up the lineman belt. And as

662
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: I go up the tree, just put the steps in

663
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: as I'm going up. And one thing I wanted to

664
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: touch on on what Ernie said that's really important about

665
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: saddle hunting is dressing in the tree. You know, you

666
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: mentioned you deal with weather. I'm in Michigan, so I

667
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: deal with weather a lot too. And on an all

668
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: day hunt, it's not uncommon for me to change out

669
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: my upper layer of clothing for possibly five times a day.

670
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: You know, early in the morning, I with my entry,

671
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: I want to go in light, So I'm going in

672
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: light as soon as my body cools off, which is

673
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: still gonna be before daylight. Because I get this so early.

674
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: My body cools off. Then I put on some layers.

675
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: Maybe ten o'clock the sun comes up. I started overheating

676
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. I take off a layer. Well, with

677
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: a tree stand with a safety harness hook to the

678
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: back of your jacket, you gotta take all that stuff off.

679
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: To change any layers. With the attle, you just simply

680
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: slide it down your waist a little bit and now

681
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: your whole upper body is totally free and it's really

682
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: simple to change your clothing count. Yeah, that's a big deal,

683
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: and that's a very good point. Now the lower body,

684
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: same challenge, I guess, as you would have with a

685
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: tree stand safety harness. Yeah, but typically it's your upper

686
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: body that always has issues. You can moderate mostly with that.

687
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, what what about what other things? So we

688
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: talked about the basic gear we need to be dangerous.

689
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: We talked about the basic ways to get up and down.

690
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: And I guess, Andy, do you have any different thing

691
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: as far as how you're getting up and down? You

692
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: use sticks most of the time, right, Um? Yeah, if

693
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm on public land, I run a set up like Greg,

694
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: I have some modified Hawk heliums that I really like.

695
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: With just a single loop movable eight or that I go,

696
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, as I climb, I move it with me

697
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: um and then if I'm on like a permission piece

698
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: or something, I usually use the Cranford screw in stuffs

699
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: just in a little pouch and seemed to go in

700
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: real easy. And I've been using those. I think I

701
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: got the idea from you, John, like I don't know,

702
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, and I've been running those ever since.

703
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: Hard to argue with that. It's hard to beat him, Yeah,

704
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: it's hard to beat him. So, yeah, if you've got

705
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: time to to use the hand drill and go with bolts,

706
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: that's probably the least bulk method that I know of.

707
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: It takes a little bit of time to run the drill.

708
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: But man actually practiced with that last night. Um, with

709
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: the tree hopper drill and bolts. And yeah, so I

710
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: sent you one. What do you think? Yeah, I do

711
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: love the bulk of it, the lack of um. You know,

712
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: you could fit that in just a little tiny pouch.

713
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: It was a little more time consuming, not even a

714
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: little it was. It was quite a bit more time

715
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: consuming than say Cranford screwing. Um, but you make up

716
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: like going up the tree, it is, but you make

717
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: up a little bit coming down. You just pull those

718
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: babies out. You don't really have to unscrew anything. So

719
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna try it this year and see

720
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: how I like it. Um It definitely I can see

721
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: some benefit there. Whether I'm going to prefer it over

722
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: the Cranford's, I don't. That's to be determined. I guess

723
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: one nice thing about that too, though, is if you're

724
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: gonna use the bolts system, you can go in in

725
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: August with a cordless drill and pre drill all your holes.

726
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: Then when you come back, it's just a matter of

727
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: dropping the bolts in on the way up, pulling them

728
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: out on the way down. And you can pre set

729
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: fifty trees and have one set of bolts. So now

730
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: your time for setup is nothing because you did it

731
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: all preseason. And when we say bolts, what we're talking

732
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: about For those that don't know, or these are grade

733
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: eight bolts that are six inches long, right, and these

734
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: are what what do you think it is? The breaking

735
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: strength on those early yearnit I wouldn't know. It's a

736
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: stupid strong like thousands of pounds. Right, It's basically like

737
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: a six inch long grade eight bolt eight inch diameter,

738
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: so you basically just drill out the little hole drop

739
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: in your bolt, climb up that way. Go For what

740
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: percentage of the time are you guys hunting pre prepped

741
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: trees with your saddles versus showing up for the first

742
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: time there? I know, well, I think most of the

743
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: time with you, John, you have a lot of pre

744
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: prep trees, right. I go into each season with probably

745
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: forty pre prep trees. So for the rest of you guys,

746
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: when you look at the fact that now, like your

747
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: saddle hunters, now, I think lots of times when people

748
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: think of tree stand hunters, you've got your pre prep

749
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: locations and then you know, maybe you'll have a running

750
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: gun set that you'll go to hop around every once

751
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: in a while. But if you go into the season

752
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: saying I'm a saddle hunter now and I'm not gonna

753
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: do any of that, do you still like to go

754
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: and have a lot of trees already ready, or do

755
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: you say I'm gonna stave all that time I used

756
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: to spend the summer and instead I'm going to scout

757
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: or practices with my bow or do whatever else because

758
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I know I can just head and hunt. What are

759
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: you guys doing well? If I could, I would always

760
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: hunt a prepared tree. It's just easier. I don't sweat

761
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: it's it's just easier. Um. But the way I hunt,

762
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: I would say that I'm shooting or hunting from a

763
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: prepared tree probably a sixty of the time. Um, probably sixty,

764
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: I would guess is when I'm going in blind or

765
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: to somewhere maybe I have scouted before, that I don't

766
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: have a tree prepared and I'm you know, taking in

767
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: my sticks or my spurs or bolts or whatever it

768
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: is that I'm taking in. I'd probably say that's four

769
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: out of ten hunts, and then six out of ten

770
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to a tree that's prepared. But if

771
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm honting out of state, I'm I mean, every tree

772
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: is is a is a running gun, whatever you wanna

773
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: call it, a mobile a mobile hunt. So I mean,

774
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: it really is scenario dependent for me. And when I

775
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: come to like I mentioned earlier, I'm in the military,

776
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: so I move a lot, and uh, you know, for

777
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons, it's like mostly running gun

778
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: and then as I've found little spots here and there,

779
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: now I've probably got I've been in Georgia for three

780
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: hunting seasons now, and I've probably got I don't know,

781
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a dozen trees prepped at any time that

782
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: I could go in and hunt. So my preferred method

783
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: is John style of prepping a tree in advance, but

784
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: just doesn't always work out that way for me. That's

785
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: funny because I like the adventure of a new tree.

786
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Um My pre prepped trees our last year's adventure trees.

787
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: So I don't necessarily go prep a tree ahead of

788
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: time unless it's something where I was like, yeah, I

789
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: I really like this area that I sat one time

790
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: last year, and then I might go in and do

791
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: something like that. But most of the time I'm I

792
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: do a lot of run and gun and just going

793
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: and yeah. My anything that I would call pre prepped

794
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: is a tree that I run and gunn hunted the

795
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: year before. Where are you at, Andy, Yeah, Um, I

796
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: run and gun often. Um, that's at least half the

797
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: time you know I'm doing that. Um, there's some spots

798
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe some permission spots that I've had

799
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, for you know, several years that kind of

800
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: historically have been like some good rut spots that yeah,

801
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: you know you could sit in that tree or in

802
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: the rut and you know it's it's a quality spot.

803
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: So I'd say that those are prepped or ready to go,

804
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: and I'll you know, I'll go and trim those. But

805
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: I just don't have a ton of those. But um,

806
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, everything outside of the rut um, you know,

807
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: for me, it's I'm it's usually kind of on the

808
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: fly because I'm if I'm moving in on something, it's

809
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: because I just found out about it, or i just

810
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: observed it, or it's it's kind of fresh intel. So

811
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: for me, you know, outside of the road, it's usually

812
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: a running gun and a brand new spot that you know,

813
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to prep or it would have

814
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: been too risky of a move. She would screwed the

815
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: deer up I was going after. When it comes to

816
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: picking trees or prepping trees, at least from my experience,

817
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: when I'm going into hunt, whether it's in the summer

818
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: and I'm prepping it for the season or it's in season,

819
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm approaching that process pretty similar to what I was

820
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: doing in the past when I was going up there

821
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: with a lone wolf and sticks or whatever. I mean,

822
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking for generally the same qualities in this tree.

823
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: I'm looking generally in the same locations. The only things

824
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: that jump out to me is being different out the

825
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: gate would be number one. I'm setting up in the

826
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: tree located a little bit different. In the past, I

827
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: might have been trying to position myself towards where the

828
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: deer we're gonna be, or using cover in some way,

829
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: thinking much more about which direction the tree stands facing

830
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: because you're stuck there. While in the tree saddle, I'm

831
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: primarily I'm hanging behind the tree, and then I'm positioning

832
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: myself to have good shots to my left and then

833
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: are on either side. Um, but I'm curious. One of

834
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: the things that a lot of people have asked, and

835
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: I thought about this too. One of the benefits of

836
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: hunting from the saddle is the fact that you can

837
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: do what I just said. You can use the tree

838
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: more easily to to hide yourself from from approaching deer,

839
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: and you can adjust where you are on the tree

840
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: so you keep the tree trunk in between you and

841
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: the deer. Because of that, do you allow yourself or

842
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: do you look at your tree selection differently? Because you're

843
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: not as dependent on a bunch of other cover to

844
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: protect you open the tree visually, So because I can

845
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: move with the tree trunk, I can hide myself more.

846
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: Could I get away with a slightly more open tree

847
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: than I would want in a tree stand? Do any

848
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: of you guys ever look at I look at everything

849
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: when I'm picking out a tree. Yeah, that definitely comes

850
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: into play. If you look at a tree and it's

851
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: it's at least sixteen inches a diameter, you know you

852
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: can hide behind at least I can because I'm small

853
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: and you can too, Greg. But I did want to

854
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: get back from me touch on one other thing. So

855
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: we were talking about running gun. Uh. I killed my

856
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: biggest buckover on a running gun in Iowa because I

857
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: was like what you were talking. I was reacting to

858
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: a visual at a distance. So I did a d

859
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: I y freelance um in in. When I'm hunting in Michigan,

860
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: get I hunt totally different than I do in any

861
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: other state I've ever hunted. Our deer are so heavily pressured,

862
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: and it's hard to do a freelance hunt without spooking

863
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: something that's going to affect your hunt because there's so

864
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: few mature bucks and if you're running gunning and you've

865
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: got to be back in cover where there's you're gonna

866
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: have any possible chance at a mature buck because because

867
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: everything he does is a security cover oriented running and

868
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: gunning is very difficult here Kansas, Iowa. You know, southern Illinois,

869
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: running and gunning is pretty pretty simple because you can

870
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: spook deer and it doesn't seem to affect it nearly

871
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: as much. Um. But as as far as the trees,

872
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: going back to the trees, and also I did want

873
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: to say this, I may have forty trees prepped during

874
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: the season at the beginning of the season, Um, I pry.

875
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: It's a rare year that I would hunt ten of

876
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: those trees because they change from year to year. You

877
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: know what, a white oak may have acorns this year,

878
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: or an apple tree may have apples, or a primary

879
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: scrape area may be active this year and it's not

880
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: going to be for the next two years, depending on

881
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: crop rotations, so everything changes entry and exit routes. You know,

882
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: one year, depending on the crop field, my location is

883
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: next to my entry route might not allow me to

884
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: hunt that tree effectively on a morning or an evening

885
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: on whatever that tree is best suited for. But as

886
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: far as picking out the tree for the location, uh,

887
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: there's no question being able. In my opinion, hiding behind

888
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: the tree makes a big difference. I actually look for

889
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: trees that slightly lean. I liked on a slightly leaning

890
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: tree because it's like standing on a ladder. You know,

891
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: it's just more comfortable your your your back is more

892
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: upright if not leaning forward, and the trees leaning away

893
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: from you, away from you like on a ladder, and

894
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: a slight lean on a slight lean tree because you

895
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I've hunted trees probably with a twenty degree

896
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: tilt to them. And when you hunt a tree with

897
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: that much of a lean, you can't really swing around

898
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: to the backside because gravity takes are swinging and swinging

899
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: you around. But you can hunt a tree with five

900
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: degree lane and not have any problem moving around the

901
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: tree in any direction. So I like a slightly leaning tree,

902
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: and I and I gravitate like Earning was talking. I

903
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: gravitate the big diameter trees where you can really hide.

904
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: You know, I've shot deer out of a sling saddle

905
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: as low as small as four inches in diameter, but

906
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: pretty hard to hide buying a four inch tree. Yes,

907
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: so what about branches in the tree? So you know,

908
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: we're we're trying to look for cover, but at the

909
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: same time, you want to be able to maneuver around

910
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: and the saddle it's much more mobile and you're kind

911
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: of maneuvering three inert degrees around it. If you've got

912
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: a lot of branches in the tree coming out river

913
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: which way from a tree stand, most people look at

914
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: that as beneficial. Hides you in there and you're not

915
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: gonna be moving around anyways in a saddle. One of

916
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: the big perks of the fact that you can spin

917
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: around and shoot to the other side. But if there's

918
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: branches in the way, that becomes more difficult. Do you

919
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: avoid trees like that, um and look for those more

920
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: easy to move in a bigger trees so you're hidden stone,

921
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: what do you how do you think about that? So

922
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: you you can spin around the whole tree or you

923
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: don't have to. I mean just because uh, you're boxed

924
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: into a certain you know your zone of the tree

925
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: based on branches. Well, if that works for where you

926
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: anticipate the deer coming from. There's no reason you can't

927
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: hunt that with the saddle anyways. I mean, just like

928
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: if the if the branches created a zone on a

929
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: tree that was great for a tree stand, but it

930
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: was facing the wrong way, you wouldn't sit in that

931
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: tree with a tree stand either, you know. So it's

932
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: kind of like, just because I can't spin around the

933
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: whole tree with my saddle doesn't mean the tree won't work.

934
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if if it's facing the right way, it's

935
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: facing that down wind trail, uh, just below the main

936
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: trail that you expect that buck to be running, well,

937
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: end's perfect, you know, and you can still do that.

938
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, like John said, in a perfect world, you

939
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: do have a tree that gives you three D sixty

940
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: degree mobil around the tree you meant the help wind

941
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: trailin trail. Yeah, I'm sorry, but you don't have to,

942
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's not like it's

943
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: a deal breaker if you have some branches in the way.

944
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: Sure it'll it'll limit your your shot or your ability

945
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: to move around the tree, but you can you can

946
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: certainly still make those shots, just like you couldn't a

947
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: tree stand yeah, And I mean if you're in a

948
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: tree stand and you've got a tree with a bunch

949
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: of branches, you're naturally limiting your number of shots anyway.

950
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: So at all things being equal, you're note worse off, right, Yeah,

951
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I was trying to say in

952
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: a roundabout way. It's you're not really at a disadvantage

953
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: compared to a tree stand, it's just maybe you don't

954
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: get to use all of the advantages of a saddle

955
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: set up. I've actually found that that type of tree

956
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: in situation better for a saddle because, um, a lot

957
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: of times when you have multiple branches or trunks coming up, Um,

958
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to fit a big tree storm

959
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: tree stand platform in there and something you know you

960
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: might have to you might be able to get it

961
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: in there, but you might have to put it out

962
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: facing like an awkward direction. We have to stand up

963
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: and turn to shoot. But with the saddle, I can

964
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: usually find a hole where I can because my my

965
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: my footprints so much smaller. Whether I'm using a ring

966
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: of steps or the small predator platform or something that's

967
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: I can usually find a smaller hole that I can

968
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: fit in there. And yeah, you may not be able

969
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: to shoot three sixty degrees, but I feel like you know,

970
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: from my experience, I've been able to get into some

971
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: of those trees, even more so than trying to fit

972
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, twenty four inch wide, you know platform up there.

973
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: So I think this is what I think I should

974
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: have rephrased my question, because we covered all really good stuff.

975
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: But I want to get at the either or if

976
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: you had to choose, If you've got two trees sitting

977
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: in that perfect location, one of them has got lots

978
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: of ship all over the place, it's gonna hide you

979
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: very well, but it's gonna limit the ability to maneuver

980
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: and get a bunch of different shottings. And let's say

981
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: even let's take wind out of that. Maybe maybe somehow

982
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: you've got sent control and you don't care, and there's

983
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: trails every direction around you, there's deer could come from

984
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: any directions. You want to have the best possible shot. Um,

985
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: are you going to pick the tree that makes it

986
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: so you are hidden? One, no question about it. But

987
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: you're stuck with like one or two shots. You're not

988
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: gonna be able to take advantage of the really cool

989
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: flexibility of the saddle. Or you've got this tree that's

990
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: just a couple of yards away and it just has

991
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: a couple of branches coming out, So typically you look

992
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: at it like, oh, man, I'm gonna be hung out

993
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: to dry. But man, there's lots of different shot angles

994
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: from that. I could shoot a deer no matter what,

995
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna depend on my huting behind the trunk.

996
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: I'll pick that tree every time. I'll pick that, I'll

997
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: pick the second. You just get up a little bit

998
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: higher so you're out of their purpor. I'll pick the

999
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: second tree every time. And and even if you're not

1000
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: necessarily able to use the tree as cover, your profile

1001
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: on the tree looks more natural instead of a big

1002
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: blob on the side of the tree like you might

1003
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: be in a hang on tree. Stay in because you're

1004
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: exiting the tree at an angle. Your feet are toward

1005
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: the tree and whatever else. It's a much more natural

1006
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: angle for animals to see. It doesn't strike it as

1007
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: odd as quickly. Um you're less likely to get picked off.

1008
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: I believe in that situation because you know, minus a movement,

1009
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: you could pass for a big branch if you had

1010
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: to write. And I can say for certain that I

1011
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: get picked off less like on the profile view. I've

1012
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: had tons of deer look right up at me in

1013
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: a tree stand. But even when they come in from

1014
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: the side like catch me off guard or something, and

1015
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: and and they're seeing my side profile, I haven't had

1016
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: a dear look up at me in a saddle and

1017
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: you know pin me like that. That. Yeah, I think

1018
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: it's You're exactly right, and you come off looking much

1019
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: more natural part of the canopy. So do you re

1020
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: find yourself spreading your arms out to look even more

1021
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: like a branch liked Charles did when he was Carable

1022
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: hunting exactly interpret on top of the tree. I'm a branch,

1023
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: um were you know? I feel like you were about

1024
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: to say something John before I forgot already hold I

1025
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: was going to comment on what Andy said. Um, okay,

1026
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: that's really interesting that you guys all agree on that.

1027
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: And that's one of those things like even as I've

1028
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: been this summer prepping trees, this is the first summer

1029
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: they've really been prepping with a saddlin mind, And I've

1030
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: been asking myself that question over and over again. And

1031
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm picking trees, and I've been leaning towards doing just that.

1032
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather have slightly less cover but in the right

1033
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: spot and have the shots because I can make up

1034
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: for that with my positioning. It seems like every time

1035
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more, I did want to. I remember

1036
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: what it was now with a saddle, I don't think

1037
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: there's any question. After you've used a saddle while and

1038
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: you get comfortable with it, you have no issues going higher.

1039
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: So in a saddle, uh, you know, it's not a

1040
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: big deal if you're in a tree that's kind of

1041
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: small around in diameter and you want to get up

1042
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: an extra five or six ft higher and you wouldn't

1043
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: hang on. You know, when you're in a hangout and

1044
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: you're ut, you're looking at the abyss in front of

1045
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: you with the saddle your face and the tree hooked

1046
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: with a seven thousand pound rope, you know you're not

1047
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna fall, and you've got the tree gives you a

1048
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: false sense of security in front of you. Also also,

1049
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: so I don't know about you, guys, I definitely higher

1050
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: since I've been using a saddle than I did in

1051
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: the seventies when I hunted with a tree stand. I

1052
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: was twenty to twenty five ft with tree stand and

1053
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: now I'm typically to thirty man. I I can attest

1054
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: to that because you came out and helped my buddy

1055
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: Dustin and I set up a tree to kind of

1056
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: demonstrate how you set up first saddle hunting everything. And

1057
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: I think you're under stilling how high you get. I

1058
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: think that's true. You got up there. I think Dustin

1059
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: messed me. He ranged found it, like from he got

1060
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: out there and ranged down to the ground. He said

1061
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: it was like close to thirty five yards or something

1062
00:52:52,600 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: like it was way up there, feet up there. I mean,

1063
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: in in in my own little way, I'm afraid of heights.

1064
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean literally, I get that like clinched feeling on

1065
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: video games if I get too close to the edge

1066
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: of buildings like I just do. And uh, I definitely

1067
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: feel more secure in a saddle at height than I

1068
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: do anything else. Um, because I can feel the tension

1069
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: of the rope. There's no slack in the system. You

1070
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: can feel that support. Um. You know, with any kind

1071
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: of a normal safety harness, there's some slack built into

1072
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: the system. And you are set up so that you

1073
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: know you have those gotcha moments where you're you kinda

1074
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: lean a little bit and then you kind of stutter

1075
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: step and you're like, oh, you know, not often a

1076
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: tree stand you're gonna have those little pucker moments over

1077
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: the course of a hunt, and you don't have that

1078
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: in a tree saddle because you feel embraced and you

1079
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: feel connected the whole time. So safety check that off

1080
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: the list. Like, we all feel pretty good there. But

1081
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 1: now in the next issue that a lot of people

1082
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: get to is what come for so many questions that

1083
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: can't be comfortable? That looks crazy? Can you take naps?

1084
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: I get that one a lot too. How's the napping

1085
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: going to sleep all the time? Go ahead, Andy, you're

1086
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: going to say, I sleep. I get my tree two

1087
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: hours hour and after two hours for daylight, I sleep

1088
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: until daylight. It's funny, John, One of my favorite things

1089
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: I ever learned from you and and and this was

1090
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: years and years and years ago. And I've told you

1091
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: before how instrumental your books were early on in my

1092
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: like next step of becoming a deer hunter, and the

1093
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: idea of getting into your tree stands like two hours

1094
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: beforehand in the mornings changed my life because I had

1095
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: this whole new Rachel. I get in there an hour

1096
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: and a half or two hours before daylight. And then

1097
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: it was every morning the tree stand nap and it

1098
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: was such a great thing, like my favorite part of

1099
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: the hunt. And a couple of hour nap, I get

1100
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: out and I have to thank you for that. Well,

1101
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: the bridge, the bridge gives you a nice little surface.

1102
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: I put hand up and I got like this and

1103
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm out. You know, it's much uh much easy year

1104
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: to to fall asleep if that's what you want to do.

1105
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: I know how to tree stand, you know, even with

1106
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: my my safety harness. Um. You know, sometimes you know,

1107
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: you've been hunting all day and it's mid day and

1108
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 1: you're kind of just like it's one of those slow

1109
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: days or something. You're kind of nodding off, and it's

1110
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: like every time you start going for yourself, you're like,

1111
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: you know that that's the pucker moment. I was just

1112
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: talking about. But as um as far as comfort though

1113
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: real quick. Um. You know I mentioned early on that

1114
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, I got into saddle hunting in two thousand

1115
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: three or four, but I didn't stick with it because

1116
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't find comfort in it. Um. I had I

1117
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: used an old saddle as called a trophy line. Um.

1118
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: You know, pretty heavy pretty bulky, but it just, um,

1119
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: I couldn't find comfort in it because I just tend

1120
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: to be real sensitive around my my low back and

1121
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: my hips. I get pretty bad sciatica nerve pains sometimes. Um.

1122
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: So my journey has been trying different saddles, making my own.

1123
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: Um you know, I actually made one out of fleece

1124
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: that kind of met my needs, but UM never felt

1125
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: maybe a comfortable with it. And then, uh, it wasn't

1126
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: until when you first you mentioned what we're eating lunch?

1127
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: You made yourself a tree set out of fleece. And

1128
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: then the first thing I thought is like Andy took

1129
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: an old north face and stitched together and just hung in.

1130
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: That thing's essentially what it is that terrifies me. Well,

1131
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: I should say I did have a professional lightweight rock

1132
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: tiving harness as a backup under that, so I was

1133
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: thinking totally tied into that. But it wasn't until um,

1134
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: I tried the mantis that I actually found comfort, like

1135
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: out of a commercial type settle, and why I chose

1136
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: that one over the fleece. It was much lighter. Um

1137
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: It's it's not nearly as as warm because it's a

1138
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: mesh material, but it just the way it sits or

1139
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: the way it just captures my body. Um, I've been

1140
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: able to be very, very comfortable in it, and that's

1141
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: something for me personally. I've had a hard time finding

1142
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of saddle hunters can get comfortable in

1143
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: just about anything, and I'm not one of those guys.

1144
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: So for you, the big thing was having like the

1145
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: back strap, it was a big thing for you. What

1146
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: are some other things that you guys are doing to

1147
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: make it more comfortable? I know one thing for me

1148
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: was just figuring out the right height for my tether

1149
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: to attach. Um, can you guys a huge thing? Talk

1150
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: more about that or anything else you do. Yeah, I mean,

1151
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: so to begin with, it's a normal question that that

1152
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: can't be comfortable. That's completely normal. If you just see

1153
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: a video or a picture of it and you see

1154
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: this dude hanging out of a tree with thing under

1155
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: his butt, like, I get it, Like that doesn't look comfortable.

1156
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: But once you try it and you get your system

1157
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: dialed in, like and he was talking about once you

1158
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: get it figured out where it works for you, man,

1159
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: it is like a lightbulb and it just works. You know,

1160
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: tether height, it is a trick that you mentioned mark

1161
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: about where do you put your tether height on the tree? Now,

1162
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: what that means is for the for those maybe just

1163
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: hearing this for the first time. Your tether again, is

1164
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: that main safety rope that goes around the tree and

1165
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: attaches to your saddle. That is, that's your main life support. Uh.

1166
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: Like John said, it's like a seven thousand pound rated rope.

1167
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: It's super crazy strong. But where you attach that to

1168
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: the tree. I like to tell people to start at

1169
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: around forehead height. Start there, and then you can adjust

1170
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: that up or down. I actually go even lower than that.

1171
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: I go to about my Adam's apple, So we're kind

1172
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: of like where my neck meets my collar bone. That's

1173
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: about where I wear my tether. Where I tie my tether.

1174
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: Now I know guys that tied as high as they

1175
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: can reach above their head. Uh So there's no wrong

1176
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: way to do it, but it's important to spend some

1177
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: time in the backyard at ground level figuring that out.

1178
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: You don't want to figure that out twenty five ft

1179
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: in the air when a pope and young is staring

1180
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: at you. You want to figure that out in the

1181
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: in the season, you know, preseason, or you know at

1182
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,959
Speaker 1: least in the backyard on the around where it's safe,

1183
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: so that's important. Where you put the saddle on your

1184
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: body is very important. Some guys like to wear up

1185
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: high above their waist where they would higher than they

1186
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: would put a belt. Not me. I wear it down

1187
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: underneath my butt, down below where I would wear my belt. Uh.

1188
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: And there's every kind of option in between. But the

1189
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: trick is to set it up in your backyard on

1190
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: the tree, move it up and down, squinch it up,

1191
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: loosen it, play with the micro fit adjusters, play with

1192
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: the saddle, kind of get it right, and then once

1193
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: you once you nail it, you know that it's nailed,

1194
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: and you're like, I got it this This works really

1195
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: really well. And the back support product that we have,

1196
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: the recliner, which is nothing more than a few pieces

1197
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: of webbing. You don't have to buy it from me.

1198
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: Go out and make one on your own, you know.

1199
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Go go in your garage and find some old webbing

1200
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: or old fleece blanket and stitch it up, tie it up.

1201
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be fancy, but back support is

1202
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: a really big deal. Ours is pretty cool because it

1203
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: clips into your carabine er and it's got adjustments on

1204
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: both sides, so it's like idiot proof, but you could

1205
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: make one just as easily as you could buy one UM.

1206
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: But the back support thing was a huge game changer

1207
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, once I figured that thing out

1208
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: and I started playing with you know, support up high

1209
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of underneath my armpits for when I really wanted to,

1210
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: like recline, it's perfect. And then if i'm you know,

1211
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: getting ready to maybe it's you know, an hour before

1212
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: dark and it's starting to get the prime time, I'll

1213
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: slide that thing down a little bit, so I'm a

1214
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: little bit more ready to take a shot. But there's

1215
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: so many ways that you can get comfortable. If you're

1216
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: willing to spend fift twenty minutes in your backyard at

1217
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: ground level where it's safe and just play with everything

1218
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: you can, you can get it dialed in. Yeah, I

1219
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: made the mistake of not ever trying the back uh

1220
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: support last year, so I'm intrigued to give that a shot.

1221
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: And just it's we brought you one UM so you

1222
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: can you can try it, and it's it's you're gonna

1223
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: like it. I'm excited where you have where you have

1224
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: it tethered as far as high has a lot to

1225
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: do with your shot opportunities as well. When you get

1226
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: in a tree and you tether it as high as

1227
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: you can reach. If you're right handed and you're setting

1228
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: yourself up for a shot ninety degrees to your right,

1229
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: you know that lead is probably when you take a shot,

1230
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be in the way of your elbow

1231
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: when you draw your bows. So by lowering the lead

1232
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: the tree tether also it puts that tether out of

1233
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: the way when you take shots to your to your right,

1234
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: to your left side, or whatever side you're gonna shoot.

1235
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: And another thing is that's so much more comfortable than

1236
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: anything in a tree stand because at the tree stand,

1237
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: you're sitting in a seat. It's got a nice soft cushion,

1238
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: but you're sitting ninety degrees basically, and with the saddle,

1239
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: you can adjust your drape at any moment at any time.

1240
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: I probably on an all days sit will adjust my

1241
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: drape twenty times. When you say adjust your drape, okay,

1242
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 1: there is a drape adjustment on the lead which comes

1243
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: down to your saddle. There's a real fast drape adjustment

1244
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: where you just if you're using the rope man drape

1245
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: adjuster or the proofs of either one. We gotta get

1246
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: John a tethered assory. So he starts using the terms. Ye,

1247
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: he's been doing his own words. But you can, you

1248
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: basically can let out a little bit of lead. So

1249
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: in other words, I like to sit with the majority

1250
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: of my weight in my seat, so my butt is

1251
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: supporting most of my weight, like sitting in a hammock

1252
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: in a yard, basically a hammock seed. Now when my

1253
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: if I sit there for three hours and my butt

1254
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: gets sore and I want to stand more upright, I

1255
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: just reach up, pull some lead up, and now I'm

1256
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: standing more upright. Some guys like to stand with their

1257
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: legs straight, so they've got all their weight on their

1258
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: feet and a little bit on their butt. Well, if

1259
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where your feet gets sore

1260
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: from standing on steps or whatever, you're standing on a platform,

1261
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is let a little bit of

1262
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: lead out, and you'd be shocked. You can let out

1263
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: just two inches a lead and it makes a world

1264
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: of difference and how comfortable you sit two inches long way. Yeah,

1265
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's your story. That was a softball were dealt.

1266
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how loud. That's what she said,

1267
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: was screaming the back of her mind. That was a softball. Yeah.

1268
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: The beauty thing is no two bodies are built the same,

1269
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: and sounds are so adjustable, and and maybe one brand

1270
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: works better than another in your particular body shape. But

1271
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,959
Speaker 1: play around with it, um, Like we had talked about,

1272
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: little microadjustments make major changes in how things feel, and

1273
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: the only way you're going to figure it out is

1274
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: playing your yard. Um, I'm to the point now where

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01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: I can set up blindfolded, and I know where my

1276
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: tether tie off point is, where my rotman's at, where

1277
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: I want the saddle, So within about fifteen seconds, I'm

1278
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: in what I would call my most comfortable position. So

1279
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: I was asked this continuing on with her any window.

1280
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: So when I said, what's your favorite position and and

1281
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: what how do you kind of alluded a little bit,

1282
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: But when you're actually in there, what do you guys

1283
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: find it be the most comfortable positions to be in

1284
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: your saddle because it's a whole bunch of different ways.

1285
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: You can kind of beet your feet on the platform

1286
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: and the steps and you're kind of leaned out. You

1287
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: can kind of stand almost all the way up right,

1288
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: you could be in almost like a seated position with

1289
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: your knees against the tree. You could straddle the tree,

1290
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: you could side saddle, go around the tree with your knees.

1291
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ways to do it. Whatever

1292
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: you guys found to be the most comfortable ways to

1293
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: spend long hours in the tree. Yeah. For me. For me,

1294
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: it's because of my my back issues, things to get stiff.

1295
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of all the above. I'm I'm changing positions constantly.

1296
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm sitting more like John, and I'm kind of

1297
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: more sitting in the in the saddle, and then I'll

1298
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: adjust my to other or just the ropeman up a

1299
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: little higher so that I'm I'm more leaning and I'll

1300
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: put my knees kind of into the tree. Um, you know,

1301
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I go to the side, um and just it

1302
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: just kind of depends. Um. But I'm I'm constantly adjusting.

1303
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: But it's nice about it. As opposed to a tree stand,

1304
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: it's it's all like it's all very slow, and it's

1305
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: all very minute, and and like you guys said, it

1306
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. Where we're in a tree stand,

1307
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm constantly standing and then and then sitting and you know,

1308
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: much more movement. But one thing I want to mention too,

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: that was a big increasing comfort for me for like,

1310
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: for all days sits and stuff. That Predator platform made

1311
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: a huge difference in comfort for me. Um, the ring

1312
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: of steps. I did that for a lot of years

1313
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: and I still will do it. Um. But if I

1314
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: have a choice, UM, I go with the Predator platform,

1315
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: even though it is carrying a little more weight. Just

1316
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: for me personally, UM, it brings my legs together a

1317
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: little more so I don't have quite the hip pressure. Um.

1318
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: And it's just a little more comfortable on my feet.

1319
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,439
Speaker 1: I think I have some pretty weak senset of feet

1320
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: or something, and I like that too. And you can

1321
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: every once in a while you want to just stand

1322
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: up like you're standing like a normal anywhere tree standard

1323
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: on the ground, and just having the ability to do

1324
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: that once in a while, it is really nice to

1325
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: be able to do a couple of times a day

1326
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: if you're all day setting or something. And sometimes you know,

1327
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll stand up. The way the way we design the

1328
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: little Predator platform as we call it, like a pivot

1329
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: a pivot style platform, is I'll stand up on that

1330
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: thing pivot my feet around to where now my back

1331
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: is against the tree. My teather is coming over my

1332
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: shoulder and kind of pulling me back into the tree.

1333
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: And I'll just put my back against the tree sometimes

1334
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: and just stand there. And I'm also kind of like Andy,

1335
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: I'll use every single method during an all day sit.

1336
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: I'll stand, I'll lean, I'll sit side saddle, I'll straddle

1337
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: the tree. If the tree is not too big, I'll

1338
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: go around to the side and I'll put one knee

1339
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: into the tree and I'll sit that way. And it's

1340
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of like what Andy mentioned about, You're making little

1341
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: adjustments slowly throughout the day to remain comfortable. So you know,

1342
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: if if I'm listening in my car driving to work

1343
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: and i hear that Greg just said, I'm gonna move

1344
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: around to this position, in that position, in this position,

1345
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: in that position, I'm thinking, oh, man, that's a lot

1346
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: of movement. Well, it's not because I'm doing it very slowly.

1347
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing it very deliberately. I'm taking my time, I'm

1348
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: not making noise, and I'm doing it every thirty minutes,

1349
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: every hour, every hour and a half. Whenever I'm starting

1350
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: to get sore, I'll move a little, I'll just it

1351
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like Andy said, I'm going slow, I'm paying attention,

1352
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm being I'm being quiet, I'm looking around. I'm not

1353
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: just gonna go swinging around the tree. I will say, though,

1354
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: like if you are new, like this is your first

1355
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: year trying to saddle, pay attention to that because it

1356
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: is easy. It's so easy to move around, so easy,

1357
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: it's almost you could almost like I found myself a

1358
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: couple times, almost like I'm in a rocking chair. I'm

1359
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: not paying attention. I'm kind of just like comfortably and

1360
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: like whoa mark, you gotta pull yourself together here. So

1361
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: you're right, it's fun. It's fun to swing around, easy

1362
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: to swivel around and stuff. So do remember like, hey,

1363
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: you're right, Um, I am much more mobile than I

1364
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: would be in a tree stand, but you have to

1365
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: temper it with slowness, with the proper timing um, and

1366
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: so much of using a saddle, well, I'm from my

1367
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: small amount of experience, seems to be timing when you're

1368
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: getting position for the shot, timing when you make those readjustments.

1369
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: Timing a lot of the the flexibility of it is

1370
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: very dependent on how you utilize that flexibility. You can

1371
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: really you could screw yourself over a whole lot if

1372
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: you do it, you know, poorly timed. So I want

1373
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: to throw one thing in that andy. I'm like you,

1374
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: I move around all the time, probably twenty three times

1375
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: and then all day said. Um, but one thing, I

1376
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: definitely want to mention the new users if you're just

1377
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: something new, because I've seen lots of guys set up.

1378
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: But you know, during my workshops, I have people bring

1379
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: their saddles and they set up in them, and they

1380
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: always get new users always sit in a tree where

1381
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: they're they're back is beyond parallel to the tree trunk.

1382
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: In other words, their back is leaning backwards. And if

1383
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: you're sitting with no back support, if you don't have

1384
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: the back support that you guys were talking about a

1385
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: minute ago, and you're back is not parallel to the

1386
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: tree or four. If it's leaning backwards, you're gonna be

1387
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: uncomfortable very fast. If you don't have something supporting your back,

1388
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: you always want to be parallel to the trunk or

1389
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: leaning forward. And another thing is, um, you know you

1390
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: had mentioned some people like the saddle where it's up

1391
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: above their waist. If you have a saddle and it's

1392
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: up above your waist. What what that? That is kind

1393
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: of detrimental because what that does is it locks your

1394
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: upper body mobility into your lower body where you can't

1395
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: spin at the waist to shoot behind you. Once you

1396
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: bring something up into your lower back, it locks these

1397
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: two together, so you lose that ability to spin at

1398
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: the waist to shoot back behind you. Because because when

1399
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: you got that at belt level or below, you can

1400
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: spin around and you can easily shoot directly behind you

1401
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: ninety degrees, if not a hundred and twenty degrees. And

1402
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: as far as me, when I'm sitting in myself, my

1403
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: knees are bent probably three degrees. So I'm not like

1404
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: when I'm sitting in my saddle. I'm not like ninety

1405
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: degrees like you're sitting in a tree's in n ac

1406
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: My knees are only that like thirty degrees. One thing

1407
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: that hasn't been brought up yet is kneepads. I wear kneepads.

1408
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: I used to think I don't need them until the

1409
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: first hunt I used them. I won't go into those

1410
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: without them now. Um. I tend to find myself a

1411
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: lot of times with one knee on the tree, both

1412
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: feet on the platform, and my legs at like a

1413
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: forty five degree angle, So I'm kind of in the

1414
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: middle between leaning and sitting. I don't sit flat like

1415
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 1: you would sit at a ninety degree in a deep squat,

1416
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of a hybrid between the two. I'm leaning,

1417
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: but I'm also kind of into the tree with one

1418
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: knee for support, and that also, you know, I we

1419
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: all try and set up so that I have to

1420
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: move as little as possible for the premier shot that

1421
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. And when I'm in that position, I've

1422
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: got one knee on the tree, two ft on the platform,

1423
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: and a rope at my hips. It's hard to get

1424
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: much more stable than that for my setup. A couple

1425
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: of questions on On last questions and comfort, there's the common,

1426
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: somewhat common question of hip pinching. That's the thing that

1427
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: pass people with past saddles had concerns with. People. Wonder,

1428
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: you've got these two ropes pulling off either side of

1429
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: your hip, so you've got this pressure point right there,

1430
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: your hip points kind of Um, is there anything you

1431
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 1: guys recommend to avoid that, whether it be how you

1432
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: adjust your saddle or what you wear or has a

1433
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: lot to do. It's coming from. Yeah, you guys can

1434
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: probably address that for future reference. Yeah, bridge links definitely one. Uh.

1435
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: Saddle sizing. You know, if you don't have the right

1436
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: size for your particular body shape, Um, your tether height. Um.

1437
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: The higher your tether is, the steeper that tethered angle is,

1438
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: the more it's gonna feel like it's pulling up. And

1439
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: the more pressure you're gonna feel on the top of

1440
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: that saddle, the more you're gonna have stuff around your hips,

1441
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: the lower it is, and the more flat you can

1442
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: get that angle, I mean to a point, right, you

1443
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: don't want it horizontal, but UM to a point. Now,

1444
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: instead of all your weight being in the saddle, you're

1445
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: spreading some of that weight to your feet and it

1446
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: allows you the saddle is now pulling you towards the

1447
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: tree instead of pulling you up the tree. And that

1448
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. That does make a big difference.

1449
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: And and let me those are all really good points

1450
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: to consider, but there's another way to look at that

1451
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: problem too. So imagine if if you went out and

1452
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: you hung your tree stand and it's the first first

1453
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: weekend of deer season, you haven't been in a tree

1454
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: in in a year essentially, and you went out and

1455
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: you tried to sit all day long, you would be

1456
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: so incredibly uncomfortable. Now fast forward a month and a

1457
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: half into the season. Now you can sit all day

1458
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: because your body has gotten accustomed to sitting in that

1459
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: tree stand and being still and being silent and focusing

1460
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: on your surroundings. It's the same thing with a saddle setup.

1461
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: I like to call it saddle shape because it takes

1462
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: your body just a little while to get used to

1463
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: the different geometry and the different physics. It's different to

1464
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: go from a tree stand where you're sitting on a

1465
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: metal seat versus being essentially suspended and hanging from a rope.

1466
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: The geometry is just different. The physics, it's just different.

1467
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: It's just gonna put pressure, support, whatever you wanna call it,

1468
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: in different regions of your body. I call it saddle shape.

1469
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: You gotta get your body used to it. Your hips

1470
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: gotta get used to it. Um When I go out

1471
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: and I hunt the first time in September, my hips

1472
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: are gonna hurt a little bit. And I've been saddle

1473
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: hunting for ten years. It's just because I gotta get

1474
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: used to it again, So don't don't overthink it. Sometimes

1475
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: if you're if you're new to a saddle and it's

1476
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: hurting in the backyard and your hips are getting a

1477
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: little tender, well that's normal. You know, as you get

1478
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: used to it and you start to figure it out more,

1479
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it's gonna get better. Um, if it's unbearable,

1480
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. Now you're probably looking at you know,

1481
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: do you have the wrong side eyes? And my tying

1482
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: in wrong? Am I wearing it way too high? Help

1483
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: above my belt? Is that uncomfortable? But if it's just

1484
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable, your hips are a little tender, a

1485
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: little sore, that might be normal, and it might just

1486
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: be that it's different. Genlemetree. You gotta get used to it,

1487
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: and you gotta get your body in saddle shape a

1488
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: little bit. The pressure, the pressure hits somewhere just even

1489
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: on a tree stand, like on your on your sitz bone.

1490
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: You know, after a while, it's like they'll start to

1491
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: get sore, and you you relieve it, You adjust, you stand,

1492
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: you you do what you need to do to kind

1493
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: of relieve that pressure. But when then in the saddle,

1494
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: it's really easy to do that by just making some microadjustments.

1495
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: You just change that pressure a little bit and it

1496
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: takes like next to no movement. But going back off

1497
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: the hip pinch thing, one thing that really helped me. Um.

1498
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: So when I used when I use a ring of steps, um,

1499
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of uncomfortable on my feet. So what

1500
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: I tend to not put as much weight on my

1501
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 1: feet and put more weight into the saddle sitting. And

1502
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: when I do that, UM, I usually will straddle the tree,

1503
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: which you know, brings my legs out wider, which kind

1504
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: of makes the saddle I guess more dig into the

1505
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: side of my leg. Some people can handle it, it's

1506
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: not a big deal for me. It hits like a

1507
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: nerve and it will kind of make my legs go

1508
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: to sleep sometimes. So UM, when I have the choice,

1509
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: I prefer that platform. That made a huge difference in

1510
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: comfort to me, not only the bottom of my feet

1511
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 1: but just having my legs together. That that pinch that

1512
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: I was getting on the bottom of the saddle is

1513
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: like all but eliminated, you know, So that that right

1514
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 1: there for me. Um from a guy that struggled with

1515
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: hip pinch, that pretty much solved it. Yeah, I did.

1516
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: I did find that the platform for me too made

1517
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: it more comfortable. And I would say another thing back

1518
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: the platform. If you're coming from a tree stand hunting

1519
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: background and you're trying to go to a saddle, that's

1520
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: a really nice transition. Yeah you're comfort let's go. Okay,

1521
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: I understand what this. This is much smaller version than

1522
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: what I'm used to, but I can wrap my head

1523
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: around this. You stand on that, there's a certain comfort

1524
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: and you end stand up every once in a while

1525
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: and get repositioned. There was only one hunt all of

1526
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: last year that I was uncomfortable in my tree saddle,

1527
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: and it was an all day sit. And with your

1528
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: wife in the tree no no, sorry, thank goodness too,

1529
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: she would have been really mad with me. Um, I

1530
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: forgot my platform. I saw I had what I had,

1531
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: like I think, I had two random screwings I found

1532
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the backpack. And I was with

1533
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: a cameraman and and the cameraman had to be on

1534
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: one side of the tree, and so I had to

1535
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: be in a tree that was leaning back towards me.

1536
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: The tree was leaning back. I had no platform, So

1537
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: I got one ft on a tree kind of one

1538
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: half feet on tree pegs leaning back, and it was

1539
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: an all day sit in the run. And yes, so

1540
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 1: I could never and I could never get stood up

1541
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: to readjust and ever, once in a while, I know

1542
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: I talked to you, I was trying to figure out

1543
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: how to properly adjust my hips still to get the

1544
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: weight coming out at the right angle, and that point

1545
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't quite getting it right, so I kept on

1546
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: winding to readjust where my saddle was on mys But

1547
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: you can never stand up enough to get the pressure

1548
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: off just and so ever since then, I just said,

1549
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: you cannot, at least for if you're gonna be in

1550
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: wonky trees like that. The platform is really nice to have. Yeah,

1551
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: that was a recipe for disas. Yes it was a

1552
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: just a bad set up. Um. But this brings to

1553
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: mind another thing that I get a lot of questions about,

1554
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: and I have I had some preconceived notions, but I

1555
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know. After you guys have talked to so many

1556
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: of the people, what about bigger men and women? Can

1557
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: settles work for really large people? I mean when I

1558
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: said really large, I don't know, but I mean I've

1559
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: talked tall guys and girls. Have you talking about in particularly.

1560
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: But but I mean, but someone listening might think, uh,

1561
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: is this gonna work for my shape and style and size?

1562
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: Do you have you guys talked to people and finally, hey,

1563
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: you know people over seven foot this isn't for you

1564
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: or people over I mean, is there any kind of

1565
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: have you heard any feedback the guys that were three

1566
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: or fifty pounds using it back in the old trophy

1567
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: line base, and they had It's basically comes to your

1568
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: ability to climb to the heights to use it, because

1569
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be just as comfortable as a sitting in

1570
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: a drestand for sure. It's you're just gonna have a

1571
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: bigger seat, that's all. What are you guys seen from

1572
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: the manufacturing side working with customers? Well, Taylor, look how

1573
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: big Taylor is. Taylor is a big guy, three h

1574
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: pounds and Taylor's like probably pushing four hundred pounds. He's

1575
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: he's a giant. Kidding Taylor. We love Taylor, Ernie, I mean,

1576
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah, I mean it really at

1577
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: that point, it's just a matter of finding a saddle

1578
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: that's big enough for you. Um, the materials will hold

1579
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: it and if you can find one that's sized right,

1580
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: so that it'll that it will match your body size

1581
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: and whatever else. Um. And then it's you know when

1582
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: you try and say it's like a weight limit, well,

1583
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean, are you three hundred pounds and four ft

1584
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: taller three pounds in six six right? That those are

1585
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: very two different body shapes. Um. You know, so it's

1586
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: a matter of what kind of fits your profile. But

1587
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: I've seen some really big guys. Uh. There was there

1588
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: was a guy and I don't know his name, but

1589
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: he showed up at the showdown and I believe it

1590
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: was Birmingham. Where that dude in Birmingham. I do remember

1591
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: that dude in Birmingham. He was that big, was that memorable? Yeah, yeah, know,

1592
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: he was a big dude. I'm gonna I'm gonna say

1593
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: he was. He was three. He was three and a half.

1594
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he was. He was three and a half.

1595
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: Like if you were fishing, you would amounted him. And

1596
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: he was a big dude. He was a big dude. Yeah,

1597
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: good for him. And he was rocking it. Yeah, I

1598
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: mean he he got up in in our saddle and uh,

1599
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, he had tried on a few different brands

1600
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: and whatever else and I'm sure all of them felt

1601
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: like the knees on him, but it's like, uh, you know,

1602
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of what works for each guy. Yeah, yeah,

1603
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: probably a comfort just every each in vidual is going

1604
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: to have a different comfort level with things like that,

1605
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: and it's worth trying them on. But I you know,

1606
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: John kind of mentioned this, But at the same time,

1607
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: a three fifty pound guy is not sitting on a

1608
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: on a tiny ultra light tree stand either. I mean,

1609
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna be so incredibly uncomfortable, but you can do it.

1610
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all a matter of Ernie hit the

1611
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: nail on the head of figuring out what size works

1612
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 1: for you and and putting some time into making it work. Yeah,

1613
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: and probably the the ascent, the method of ascension is

1614
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: a big one. To how comfortable do you feel doing

1615
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: a mobile running down with sticks or timing of tree

1616
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: pegs or whatever means you choose to do. That might

1617
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: be a factor to think about as well. And I

1618
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: would think stereotypically, you're bigger guys like the feel of

1619
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: a ladder, you know, a ladder, so because they they've

1620
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: got that nice structure that they can grab onto and

1621
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: it's you're not as concerned about foot placement on your

1622
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: way up the tree. You've got a big wrong to

1623
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: work on. And then when you get there, the seat

1624
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: is big, you've got room to sit in. So I mean,

1625
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 1: although we tell everybody to get in the saddle, I

1626
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: think some people just feel a lot more comfortable having

1627
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: a different type of a structure to work with. You know,

1628
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: the biggest guy that I know of that that has

1629
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: sat in this when we first launched a guy a

1630
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: fellow reached out. There was a professional wrestler. I don't

1631
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: remember w c W or WWF, but his name was

1632
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: Braun Stroman. And he's like he's he's massive. He's like

1633
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: six six three seventy. He wanted us to make but

1634
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: we ended up sending him an extra large and it

1635
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: was it was snug on him, but he but he

1636
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: made it work. Um and uh, I mean I can't

1637
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: imagine many people that big being willing to climb a

1638
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: tree to but uh, yeah, that's a big like a Brocker,

1639
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: like a brock Lesner. He makes er look like a

1640
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: little kid. Just see him standing next to each other

1641
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: and photos and and he makes Brock look tiny. It's

1642
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: like Greg standing next to Andy at that point it's

1643
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: like it's that extreme. So so we're safely up in

1644
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: a tree. We've got the right gear, we're feeling comfortable,

1645
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: we've took our nap uh, all the things you need

1646
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: to do. You've adjusted in the tree with as there's

1647
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: deer moving past. You're always hidding. You're seven eight nine

1648
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: hours into your all day. Sit man, this is a

1649
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 1: perfect hunt. It yet perfect. We just need one sixty

1650
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 1: to come by. Now. It's it's five fifteen in the evening.

1651
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: The sun's heading towards the horizon. The wind's sword as

1652
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: starting to die down. Where you really are here in

1653
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: the birds chirping again, and you hear the leaves crispin

1654
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: and crunching again. Got to be a writer. I got

1655
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: looking that I will work. This is all right, we're

1656
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: almost of the climax now. And then you hear that

1657
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: twig snap, and then that you perk up. But then

1658
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: there was always that second where is it a squirrel

1659
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 1: or is it a deer? And then you hear it again,

1660
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: or you hear the right cadence of the steps, and

1661
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: when you said, okay, yeah that's actually a deer. Now

1662
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: you're thinking bucker dough. You slowly turn your head. You

1663
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: see it's a buck. You see it's a mature shooter buck.

1664
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: You're going to try to get a shot this, dear.

1665
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: I want to know what is going through each of

1666
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: your guys minds and what process you go through to

1667
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: set yourself up for a shot in the saddle. Now,

1668
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: maybe each of you can describe a slightly different scenare

1669
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: of how that deer is coming in or what you

1670
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: would imagine. But I'm interested to hear how you what

1671
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: you're doing the tree because a little bit different than

1672
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: when if you're just sitting in a tree stand. Um,

1673
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe John, you want to lead us off with how

1674
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: what what you're doing, what you're thinking about, how you

1675
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: properly get a good shot out of the saddle. The

1676
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: first thing is going to be where am I hunting.

1677
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: If I'm in a bedding area where he could turn

1678
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: and go any direction, I'm just gonna keep watching until

1679
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: I know he's going to make a movement to a

1680
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: direction where I may need to move. If I'm at

1681
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: a destination location, like at a primary scrape area, where

1682
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: I know he's going to come into the primary scrape area,

1683
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm probably already set up for that shot because I

1684
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: set up to shoot to that primary scrape area. So

1685
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: it totally depends on the location. But let's just say,

1686
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: carte blanche, I see a buck and he's coming through

1687
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: the timber, through the swamp or whatever. You know, my

1688
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: first mindset is, Okay, where do you think your opportunity

1689
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: shot is going to be with the way he's moving

1690
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: in the direction he's heading. And then I may at

1691
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: that point, you know, well, before he gets close to me,

1692
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: I may move into position for that because it's always

1693
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: best to move into position as soon as you can

1694
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: so that you're not making any movements when they're closer in.

1695
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: Then if I need to move and make an adjustment

1696
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: as he gets closer and he's going to be in

1697
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: a different spot than what I assumed, then I will

1698
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: make that adjustment. But I'm always keeping my body behind

1699
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: the tree because it's so simple when you keep your

1700
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: body behind the tree to just just barely lean out

1701
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: to the side and take that shot. So it's always

1702
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: it's always keeping my body profile so he can't visually

1703
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: pick me, because that's a big big deal in the

1704
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: state I live in. And then just trying to figure

1705
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: out where he's actually going to end up where you're

1706
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: gonna get your shot and being in position for that shot.

1707
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: And it's kind of akin to the You'll have two

1708
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 1: decisions like this when I'm hunting from a tree stand

1709
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: usually you've got the decision of this depends on person.

1710
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: But do you want to be seated or standing? So

1711
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: a lots of times I'll stand if I'm in a tree,

1712
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: stand like to take the shot from standing positions. So

1713
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: I'll understand at this point this buck is far enough away,

1714
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: or at this point the bucks behind this cluster of trees,

1715
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: I can make my movements and then I stand, or

1716
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: if I'm a set okay, this is when I will

1717
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: adjust lightly to my shooting position. And then you've got

1718
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: that next decision of movement, which is when do you

1719
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: draw your boat? And that's gonna be something I have

1720
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: to think about regardless of what you're hunting from. Um, Andy,

1721
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: is there anything else going through your mind? Um? Are

1722
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: you or what about feet position? What about what's the

1723
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: ideal shooting position? Like should you be niece to the tree,

1724
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: should you be standing up more fully leaned back? We

1725
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: talked about all these different positions for comfort throughout the day,

1726
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: what's the ideal position for the shot? Go ahead? And yeah,

1727
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: I think first of all, I think, you know, I

1728
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: have nothing really to add. What about what you said

1729
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: about as far as what to think about when a

1730
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: deer's coming. I mean that's pretty much spot on, I think. Um.

1731
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: One thing, um, you know, shooting position. Um, obviously you

1732
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: know you got your your your kind of go to shots.

1733
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: You know, uh, straight to your left, Um, it's easy

1734
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: to make the shot. Like John said that you know

1735
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: kind of in front of the tree where you just

1736
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 1: kind of peek around just a little bit, and even

1737
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: straight behind you is a really easy shot. Um, if

1738
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to your week's Um, that's always been

1739
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: uh a little more of a difficult shot for me. Um,

1740
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: you can you know, go around the tree, kind of

1741
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: go around the radius and and come from the backside

1742
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: and get to a certain point. Um. And now with

1743
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: the with the platform, it's you know what I like

1744
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: about that is that I can just kind of stand

1745
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: up on the platform and just kind of pivot bring

1746
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: my bowl over and it makes for me personally, it

1747
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: makes that shot much more easy. Um. But one thing

1748
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: I like about a lot of guys worry about shooting

1749
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: from the saddle. Um, I actually shoot really well from

1750
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: the saddle, and I think, you know it's because, UM

1751
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: usually when I'm when I'm about to make that shot,

1752
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: I try to, you know, if at all possible, kind

1753
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: of try to suck my knees into the tree and

1754
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: try to get more of a like a like a

1755
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: wider base. So I feel like I'm explain that when

1756
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: you say suck your knees of the tree, I try

1757
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: to make as much contact with the tree as possible

1758
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: up against the tree or maybe even slightly stri eddling. UM.

1759
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: So what that does for me, it gives me a

1760
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: more solid platform. You know, I don't feel like I'm

1761
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: trying to maintain balance from my feet all the way up.

1762
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 1: It's from my knees or maybe even like the inside

1763
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: of my thighs up. So it's much much less to

1764
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: um to stabilize. I feel more grounded to a point.

1765
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: And then another thing, UM two is is kind of

1766
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: when you're you're you know, at least in most angles

1767
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: or a lot of angles, when you're kind of hanging

1768
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: off the side of the tree. It puts you in

1769
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: that perfect t position. You know, for a lot of

1770
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: shots like that's really important, you know, as a bow

1771
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: hunter to try to maintain that position, especially if you're gonna,

1772
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna try to take a shot

1773
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: out past you know, five yards. Those are long shots

1774
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: with a bow. You know, that stuff becomes super important

1775
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: and and a lot of times in that tree sattle,

1776
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: it just kind of locks you into that position because

1777
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: your hips are are supported by the saddle. And yeah,

1778
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,719
Speaker 1: you got those examples where the deer comes in lower

1779
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: where you have to kind of, you know, compromise for

1780
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: him a little bit. But you know, I'm, like John said,

1781
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm starting to to to kind of

1782
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 1: ease into the position as I see the deer coming.

1783
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to anticipate the whole where this is all

1784
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: going to happen. So I'm trying to do that as

1785
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: soon as possible and not while he's standing there or

1786
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: closer to the tree. Do you so, based off what

1787
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: you said, would you take just as long of a

1788
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: shot from tree saddle as you would take from a

1789
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: tree Standar Grumblin? Yeah, Um, I mean for me, I

1790
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: feel just as comfortable taking any length of shot out

1791
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: of the tree stand. It's all going to come down

1792
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 1: to the conditions of the weather, the deer's alert level,

1793
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: what I'm feeling comfortable with, you know at the time,

1794
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But I'm I've practiced out of

1795
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: it just as long as I have just shooting in

1796
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: my flip flops in the in the backyard, and I

1797
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: can shoot just as accurately out of it. Do you

1798
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 1: think that wind impact accuracy more from a tree settle

1799
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: or the same versus a tree stand? Um, wind as

1800
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: far as uh, like, if it's a really windy day.

1801
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just imagining like someone listening is going

1802
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: to think, oh, well, if I'm hanging from a rope,

1803
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: will I be moving in the tree more than I

1804
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: would have a tree stand. You're anchored in at least

1805
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: by your feet, if not more. Yeah, you can actually

1806
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: anchor and you know, kind of closer to you know,

1807
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, the midline of your body or closer to

1808
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: the bow, you can you can kind of you can

1809
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: actually like shorten you know, that length from you know,

1810
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: if your feet to the bow at a normal tree stand,

1811
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: if you're standing two you know, your knees or the

1812
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: inside of your thighs, you can you can kind of

1813
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: really get tight to that tree and kind of use

1814
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: that more as as support. Now, I mean it's just

1815
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: like a tree stand. If it's blowing and your trees

1816
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: blown like this, Yeah, you know that that stuff is

1817
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,879
Speaker 1: can affect you either way. But yeah, my favorite position

1818
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: to shoot from is with my knees into the tree

1819
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: at least one. I love to put a knee into

1820
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: the tree and then and so I'm supported with two

1821
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: ft my hips and a knee. That's my favorite way

1822
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: to do it. Um. But kind of getting back to

1823
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: what you talked about a minute ago about what goes

1824
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: through your head, So I think it's important to bring

1825
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: up like John really hit the nail on the head

1826
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: with describing the scenarios. But you gotta keep in mind

1827
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: also that in a in a traditional tree stand, you

1828
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: can't shoot behind you because the trees there. So you

1829
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: you've got I don't know a hundred eighty degrees that

1830
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: you can shoot in a traditional tree stand, maybe slightly more,

1831
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:41,839
Speaker 1: but uh um, you can't shoot behind you in most scenarios.

1832
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: So in a in a saddle set up, let's I

1833
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: like to talk about it from the perspective of a clock.

1834
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: So if the trees at twelve o'clock directly in front

1835
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: of me. Six o'clock is to my back in a

1836
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: saddle set up, when I hear a deer coming from

1837
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 1: noon or one o'clock rotated counterclockwise back to nine all

1838
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: the way back to six six o'clock, so eighty degrees

1839
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: right there slightly more is a absolute piece of cake.

1840
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: That's the shot that I'm setting up for. That's the

1841
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 1: one that I that's the position I want the deer

1842
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: to come to. One of those positions on the clock

1843
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 1: from one o'clock to six o'clock where it comes becomes

1844
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: problematic and you have to start thinking when you hear

1845
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,879
Speaker 1: those footsteps coming is if they're coming from the opposite

1846
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: way what Andy said is the weak side, which is

1847
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: from one o'clock down clockwise to about six o'clock. That's

1848
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 1: what the saddle hunting community would call the weak side.

1849
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: And there's a few different ways you can you can

1850
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: execute that shot. John would probably walk around to the

1851
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: top side of the tree and shoot it, or he'd

1852
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: kind of probably walk around backwards and then spin around

1853
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: counterclockwise to make that shot. So that's what I'm thinking

1854
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: when when I hear that deer coming is which direction

1855
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: is he coming from? Because if he's coming from or

1856
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: coming from my weak side where I'm not prepared, I'm

1857
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: going into. Okay, which method am I going to used

1858
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: to spin around to shoot that deer? Because in a

1859
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: tree stand I wouldn't be able to make that shot,

1860
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: but in a in a saddle I can make it.

1861
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: I just gotta figure out the most efficient way, the

1862
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: most efficient movement to do that, and hopefully that makes sense.

1863
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to talk through without being able

1864
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: to visualize it, but a clock kind of makes the

1865
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: most sense for me. Can I throw something in on that?

1866
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: And typically if I'm gonna because I I don't believe

1867
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,879
Speaker 1: in taking a week shot, I think that's a ridiculous

1868
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: shot to take. I've taken one, you know, my thirty

1869
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: eight years of saddle hunting, and it was something where

1870
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: there was a big ten point chasing a doll and

1871
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:39,560
Speaker 1: he stopped six yards right directly to my right and

1872
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm right handed, so I had no option. I didn't

1873
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: have time to move around the tree to lift my

1874
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: bowl over and take that shot, and unfortunately I did it.

1875
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: But that's the only time I've ever taken that shot.

1876
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 1: But typically if I see something and it's gonna come

1877
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: to my weak side, which is gonna be my right

1878
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: side as a right hander, you know, I'll move around

1879
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: to my left typically if I have time, because once

1880
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: I move around to my left, now I still have

1881
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: the tree as a blocker between the deer. The deer

1882
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: and me. So deer's typically coming from like let's say

1883
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: five or four o'clock, and you are now as again

1884
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: as as the tree is our twelve o'clock, you are

1885
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: stepping around your twelve o'clock from your six, and you're

1886
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 1: stepping around clockwise direction around the tree, swiveling around the

1887
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: tree up to twelve, and then that three or four

1888
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: o'clock becomes a doable shot. Yeah, and I'm keeping the

1889
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: tree trunk. I still have the tree trunk to hide

1890
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 1: behind while he's still moving forward once I've made that move,

1891
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: because if he's moving forward and coming in from like said,

1892
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: say five o'clock, if I move around to my left

1893
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: or to my right, I'm sorry. If I move around

1894
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: to my three o'clock, then basically my whole body is

1895
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: going to be exposed to make in the drawing movement

1896
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,759
Speaker 1: when he's within shooting distance. Whereas if I swing around

1897
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: at the twelve o'clock, my body is not going to

1898
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: be exposed. It's gonna behind the tree, and I just

1899
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: lean out to the side and take the shot. Do

1900
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: you need to adjust your tether or your your ropeman

1901
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 1: or your prusick not at all, or think about your

1902
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 1: tether when trying to make that dramatic of a move

1903
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: around the tree. I'll let anythink that one. I think

1904
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: it depends on the size of the tree. Exactly diameter

1905
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 1: of the tree. If it's I try to hunt in

1906
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: a tree that's gonna be basketball size or smaller at

1907
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: hunting height, and in that situation, I don't have to

1908
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: adjust anything. If you start getting into a really big tree, obviously,

1909
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 1: as you circle around the tree, the circumference of the

1910
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 1: tree starts eating up more rope and that's where things

1911
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: get problematic. And so it really depends on the size

1912
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: of the tree. Yeah, and and John and I were

1913
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: actually saying the same thing. If the deer comes in

1914
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: at at four o'clock or five o'clock, my we call

1915
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: it the weak side because it's hard to make that shot.

1916
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 1: But what my mind goes into is, Okay, what movement

1917
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: do I have to execute right now to turn that

1918
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 1: into a strong side shot. I've got it. John would

1919
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: walk around the top side of the tree to keep

1920
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 1: the tree in between him in the deer because he's

1921
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: hunting on a ring of steps around the tree. When

1922
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: I hunt from a platform, what I would do is

1923
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: I would stand up, turn around, and then basically I

1924
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: would be like shooting from a tree. Stand yeah, because

1925
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: I would be standing on my little platform, and then

1926
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: I would shoot at that. You can almost sometimes while

1927
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: in your leaned back position, just swiveling a whole hell

1928
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: of a lot. Absolutely shoot to four o'clock. The first

1929
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: mule deer I shot in Colorado, I did exactly that.

1930
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: The deer came in too, about five o'clock, and I

1931
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: just kept spinning. Luckily he was a little freaking for

1932
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: key and he he wouldn't have picked me. I mean,

1933
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: a mature buck would have probably seen me do it.

1934
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: But I just spun all around just like you said,

1935
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,799
Speaker 1: and I shot him at five o'clock just by spending.

1936
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: It feels a little bit like should I be able

1937
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 1: to do this? But like you're surprisingly rock solid rocks

1938
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 1: absolutely long as you keep your saddle below belt level.

1939
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,680
Speaker 1: If your saddle was riding the deer upper back, and

1940
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to spin around and shoot it

1941
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: because you're upper body would be locked your lower body.

1942
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: And also we let me I got to touch on

1943
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 1: something real quick. We were talking about the you know,

1944
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: strength of shooting from a saddle versus the tree stand.

1945
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Anytime you're shooting out of a saddle, you have three solid,

1946
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 1: hard points of body contact. You either got one knee

1947
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: and one foot on a step, or your knee in

1948
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: the tree and your weight in your butt. You got

1949
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 1: three solid points. When a lot of times when you're

1950
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 1: shooting out a tree stand, you stand up and you're

1951
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 1: balancing somewhat on two feet on a little tiny platform

1952
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 1: to take a shot, So you only got two points

1953
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: of body contact, plus you're balancing yourself when you're against

1954
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 1: a tree. The tree isn't moving, it's a solid rock,

1955
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,719
Speaker 1: hard foundation, and you've got three points of body contact

1956
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 1: took to it. You hunt bigger trees than I do.

1957
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: I've been in trees that are definitely moving well, I

1958
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: have too, but I typically I try to find a

1959
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: bigger one. Have any of you guys gun hunted from

1960
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: a saddle? I shot two bucks last year with my

1961
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 1: rifle in the saddle. So this is another one. People

1962
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: are like, I don't know if that would work with

1963
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: a gun. Any considerations, any thoughts on how that works.

1964
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's I used the tree as a

1965
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: brace and then swivel, keeping the tree on the brace,

1966
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: keeping the gun on the tree. Um. I'm actually fairly

1967
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: new with the whole bull hunting gig and h. So

1968
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: for the longest time, all I did was rifle on

1969
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: um from a saddle. Yeah, yeah, um, and yeah, I

1970
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 1: had no issues whatsoever. Now most of my rifle kills

1971
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: are in bowl range, so I mean it could have

1972
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: been bow hunting or whatnot. Um. One thing though that

1973
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: I've started picking up that, I just think it's a

1974
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I haven't been successful at it yet, though,

1975
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: is uh saddle hunting with a handgun. Um. Because it's

1976
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: that whole bulk weight everything right. I can carry that

1977
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: handgun on a chest holster. I got nothing. Even a

1978
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 1: bowl is big compared to that everything right, And so

1979
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: I can sit there with a handgun and there's no

1980
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: weak side, there's no movement there was because I can

1981
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: take that gun under my bridge, over my bridge back

1982
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: to the tree. Front tree of the tree, turnaround. I

1983
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 1: don't have to move at all to make the shot

1984
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,800
Speaker 1: with a handgun. Now, I haven't been able to kill

1985
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: anything with a handgun, but in my mind that's all

1986
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 1: um for those who've been out there with a rifle.

1987
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Any do you so it sounds like you used to

1988
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: use the tree, But as far as rests anything else,

1989
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: is there any other would you ever use the bridge

1990
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: itself to kind of rest against that? I've quite a

1991
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: few here with a gun out of his saddle, just

1992
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 1: like you guys, and I use I typically use the

1993
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: tree as arrested's. That's a solid rough, pretty good well,

1994
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: and it depends. Let's say you're in a saddle on

1995
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 1: a field edge and you're watching a field right, so

1996
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,799
Speaker 1: you kind of know where you're expecting to see animals.

1997
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:56,639
Speaker 1: On that deal, you can take um, one of those

1998
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: two parts swinging bull hooks, you know they were what

1999
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: ten inch sections, Screw that into the tree at a

2000
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 1: height that you think is appropriate, and now you've got

2001
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 1: actually a bar you can lay your rifle on for

2002
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 1: making the shot across the field. I ever thought of that.

2003
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: It's like the mobile running gunners, ladder stand or table

2004
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 1: in the exactly only from a guy who would make

2005
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: a table in the woods, can we get that kind

2006
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: of great little tip? But it does work, um, you know,

2007
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 1: and you can have yourself a real stable arm to

2008
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 1: lay your rifle on if you can predict I'm going

2009
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: to be watching this field in this direction, right, that's

2010
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: a great idea. So we took. So I shot to

2011
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: two bucks this past season out of my out of

2012
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: my saddle, and both of them must go back to

2013
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:47,799
Speaker 1: the clock analogy. One of them was at nine o'clock.

2014
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's like that's the saddle hunter's bread and

2015
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 1: butter right there. That's that's what you live for. And

2016
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: that one was so easy now that it was probably

2017
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 1: only fifty yards away, so I mean that was really easy. Uh.

2018
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 1: The other one was at I'm gonna say seven o'clock,

2019
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: so I had to spin away from the tree a

2020
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 1: little bit, and that one was slightly more difficult, uh,

2021
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 1: just because I felt like I was balancing just a

2022
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: little bit more pivoting away from the tree. But still

2023
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: it was only a thirty yard shot. I mean I

2024
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: could have made it with my bow and with a

2025
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: three D wind bag. I mean I only had to

2026
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: get close to the deer to kill it. So it was.

2027
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't hard at all. I could imagine maybe swinging

2028
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: away from the tree to shoot at say six o'clock

2029
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: freehand and a longer shot. It might be a little difficult.

2030
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: That might that. I don't know if I would take

2031
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: that shot. But you know, if you could manage to

2032
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,680
Speaker 1: like Ernie said, and hunt somewhere in front of you

2033
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: where you can use the tree as a brace, it's

2034
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: definitely doable. Well. And if he had to shoot a

2035
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: deer at six o'clock it's around, just let out a

2036
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: little late and you can do whatever you want. Yeah. True.

2037
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 1: So we've got the shot, We killed the buck. We

2038
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: climbed back down the trees stand or down out of

2039
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: the tree, got of him, took our pictures, went home.

2040
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: Now we're going back and chat with all of our

2041
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: buddies and our friends, saying, holy smokes, Bill, this thing

2042
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 1: actually works. It's more comfortable than I thought, it's easier

2043
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: than I thought, it's lighter than I thought, it's quicker

2044
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 1: to go up in the tree than I thought. And

2045
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't need to buy twenty tree stands next year.

2046
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 1: But then your buddy Bill gets one and he tries

2047
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:25,560
Speaker 1: it the next year and he gets back He's like,

2048
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: oh man, this went wrong. But this went wrong. This

2049
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 1: wasn't as cool as I though I was going to be.

2050
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 1: All these little mistakes the first time saddle hunters might

2051
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: do nipptoun in the butt. What is a thing or

2052
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: two you can think of as far as a common

2053
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 1: mistake that we can just nip right now and make

2054
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: sure that those common mistakes don't get made. I think

2055
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Greg hit it right on then head earlier. You know,

2056
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 1: you need to practice in your yard first to weed

2057
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 1: out all those mistakes before you were ever getting a tree.

2058
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's I think that's normal that

2059
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 1: you would encounter those types of things, little things because

2060
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: it's different. I mean, I always like to think back

2061
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: to the guys that were first using the old Baker

2062
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: climb and tree stands, or when you when you transition

2063
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 1: from a recurve to a compound bow, you had the

2064
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: same naysayers, ah that that wheelboat never work. My my

2065
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: recurves tried and true. I know exactly. It's gonnaway blah

2066
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, same old stuff. So you

2067
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: just have to you have to put some time into

2068
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: figuring out your system. If you take a climb and

2069
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: tree stand and the very first time you go out

2070
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 1: in the woods and put it on a tree, you

2071
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: don't know how the locks work, how to make it safe,

2072
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: how to make sure it's connected right, how to do

2073
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 1: it quietly. You're gonna spook everything in the woods. You're

2074
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 1: gonna scare them all away, and you're probably not gonna

2075
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 1: be very safe, and you're gonna be uncomfortable. It's a

2076
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: learning curve. So you got to spend a couple of

2077
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,679
Speaker 1: sessions in the backyard shooting your bow at ground level.

2078
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: If you will do that, if you will spend two

2079
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 1: sessions in your backyard fifteen or twenty minutes apiece, you

2080
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 1: will work out of the kinks right there. And then

2081
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: it's going to take you a few hunts to really

2082
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: work out the rest of that little tiny bit that

2083
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 1: you have left of learning curve. But you can figure

2084
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 1: out most of it in your backyard in thirty minutes.

2085
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I could be wrong, but I that's

2086
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: that's been my experience with most folks. I think a

2087
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 1: lot of guys expect comfort immediately. They expected, you know,

2088
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 1: they hear all these benefits of it, and and they

2089
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: get it and they try it on and they get

2090
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: in the you know, try it in the backyard and

2091
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's pinching my hips or this

2092
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 1: isn't comfortable, or you know, like you said, not only

2093
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 1: do you gotta get in saddle shape, but it's really

2094
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: important to get it dialed in. And it takes time,

2095
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 1: you know, and you've gotta you gotta do that before

2096
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: you go on the woods and hunt. Right, don't figure

2097
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 1: that out twenty five ft up right when the Pope

2098
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: and young is looking at you. Do it. Do it

2099
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 1: at a time, and it's worth just reiterate. And it's

2100
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: been said several times, but little tweaks in how you

2101
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 1: tighten things or how you position things make a big

2102
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 1: difference in how it feels. So like making that little adjustment,

2103
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: and he mentioned it might just be just as much

2104
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: as tightening something half an inch and all of a sudden,

2105
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: oh it's a lot better. But it's if you think

2106
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 1: right out of the box, it's going to be perfect,

2107
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: you know, no, because it's made to adjust for all

2108
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: sorts of different body types and sizes, right like you're

2109
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 1: supposed to adjust it to you and that guy, you know,

2110
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 1: going back to your example, the guy who went out

2111
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: in his saddle the first time and didn't like it. Um,

2112
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: he's comparing it to how many years has he had

2113
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 1: to dial in his climbing tree stand. Right when you

2114
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: first bought a climbing tree stand, it wasn't perfect, but

2115
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: he's he's used to that. Now, he's dialed in, he

2116
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: knows how to use that stand. Now he's gonna try

2117
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 1: something new and suspect the same efficiency, in the same

2118
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: comfort out of a new product. And you're just not

2119
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: gonna get that that that's gonna come with time. And

2120
01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:59,760
Speaker 1: that's where I think a lot of people just aren't

2121
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 1: pay enough to to to think about the first time

2122
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: they had a climbing tree stand. I mean, my first

2123
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 1: climbing tree stand was a tree lounge. And if there's

2124
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 1: a louder, more awkward stand up putting the tree than that,

2125
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. But I hunted with

2126
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 1: it for years and got to be where I could

2127
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: do it. Um. Then I moved into some other brands

2128
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 1: and whatever else. But you have to use the stuff

2129
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 1: and get familiar with it so that it becomes muscle memory.

2130
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Like a process. You're like, Okay, yep, this is how

2131
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:30,800
Speaker 1: I do this is how I do this. I'm in,

2132
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm going. You don't think about it and

2133
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: you're already in your comfort zone. But that doesn't happen

2134
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: the first day. I got a question for you, Mark,

2135
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: Why didn't Bill ask his buddy to show him how

2136
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 1: to use it? He's a stubborn basket. Bill wanted all

2137
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: the trees to himself. He didn't want the guy to

2138
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: figure it out. Because the first thing I tell people

2139
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: is throw, you know, put three or four targets out

2140
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 1: around the tree you're going to practice in. Put some

2141
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 1: steps or platform eighteen inches off the ground, and just

2142
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 1: shoot it all the different. Just practice shooting it all

2143
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 1: a different target it and none of your eighteen inches

2144
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 1: off the ground. You just get out and get your girls,

2145
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 1: get back in it, and just practice. That's exactly what

2146
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I tell everyone. Practice right on the ground, at ground

2147
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 1: level shooting. You will work out most of the kinks

2148
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: right there. I'll add, though, take it one step further

2149
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 1: in practice, ascending to thea the hole. Get up, because

2150
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 1: you don't want to be practicing hanging all your sticks

2151
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 1: and pulling up your platform and pulling your bow on

2152
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 1: your backpack for the first time on opening day, and

2153
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: you know you already running an hour late, and your

2154
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 1: wife was mad at you, and you're stressed out, and

2155
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 1: you forgot your range finder, and then you don't remember

2156
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: how to get all these things up. No, get that

2157
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 1: taken care of in the summer, or at least a

2158
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 1: couple of days ahead of time. I mean last year,

2159
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: I got my saddle just in time, um, like two

2160
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 1: days before I left for my first hunt of the year.

2161
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 1: And so I took it out, went out for like

2162
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 1: a half hour, climbed up in two a tree once

2163
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: with it, got comfortable and there shot a few times

2164
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 1: and like, all right, I'm going And I killed a

2165
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: really nice buck three days later and felt, um, so

2166
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 1: it was really cool. I sent I sent a saddle

2167
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: to my brother last year. He wanted when he was

2168
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: going to hunt in Kentucky, and I told him the

2169
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 1: same thing that I tell everyone. I said, make sure

2170
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 1: you set it up in the backyard, practice your shooting,

2171
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: get comfortable. Of course Jack asked into it. He he

2172
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 1: threw it in his bag and drove to Kentucky and

2173
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 1: went out and hunted the first afternoon, just just in

2174
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 1: the thing, and then at the end of the hunt,

2175
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: or you know, during the middle of hunt. I can't remember.

2176
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 1: We were talking every day, but he's like, Greg, I

2177
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. He said, I was

2178
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 1: comfortable in this thing from the moment I put it on.

2179
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 1: I I don't know, Ernie, maybe you could add to this,

2180
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:34,639
Speaker 1: but I would say probably maybe four or five out

2181
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: of ten guys say have that experience that it was

2182
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: perfect right out of the gate. And that's not just

2183
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 1: with our particular models of saddle that's just kind of

2184
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,599
Speaker 1: saddle hunting in general. You know, maybe forty and guys

2185
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: kind of get it right away and then the other

2186
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:53,679
Speaker 1: half or or you know, maybe it takes a little

2187
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: bit longer. I was in that where it took me

2188
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 1: some time and some figuring to get it done. So

2189
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: like Andy was in that same six where it took

2190
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: him some time and some figuring. So it's normal if

2191
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable, if it hurts a little bit, if you

2192
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: don't get it, it's normal. But those advantages that made

2193
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: you buy the thing in the first place, they're still

2194
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 1: there even if you don't figure it out right away.

2195
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. You know, man, this is

2196
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 1: gonna make me more efficient, it's gonna make me lighter,

2197
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:23,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna make me quieter, it's gonna make me give

2198
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 1: me the ability to shoot around the tree. Remember that

2199
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: as you're trying to work through these things and figure

2200
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 1: out your system, that if you can figure it out,

2201
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna make you a better hunter. I find that

2202
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how to really relate this to any

2203
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: word other than I can say, if you kind of

2204
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: come in for a fitting, people get it a lot faster.

2205
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 1: I find this like with a knowledgeable person, Yeah, meet

2206
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 1: up with somebody who's used it and knows how to

2207
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 1: adjust that whatever else. I find this all the time

2208
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: at trade shows, that saddle demos, that anything where a

2209
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: guy can try it on, because I can look at

2210
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: somebody and be like, okay, you need this size, here's

2211
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: how you put on, here's how you do it. Sit

2212
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 1: in here, and then I'll walk them through a couple

2213
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: of the adjustments, and and they can feel and witness Okay,

2214
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 1: this adjustment, does this, this adjustment this, And usually within

2215
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: five minutes they're dialed in. But you're not gonna have

2216
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 1: that quick of a transition on your own. And it's

2217
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 1: interesting from the opposite side of it, being the friend

2218
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 1: showing to someone. And I alluded to this at the beginning,

2219
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: but this is one of the only things piece of

2220
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 1: gear I've actually been excited to bug my friends about.

2221
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, dude, you need to try Like come,

2222
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 1: I got at my truck, come come try on to

2223
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 1: try it on. Seriously, you like it. Like vegans crust fits,

2224
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: they like to tell each other about the fact that

2225
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 1: they do it. It's it's something else. So here's the

2226
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 1: last question. And I asked my audience, the listeners what

2227
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of questions they had for the saddle hunting gurus,

2228
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 1: and the most widely requested question that we need an

2229
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: answer from was this, And I wanted to have us

2230
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: all answer at the same time. So you say, if

2231
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 1: it's a yes, say I. If it's a no, say no.

2232
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: So I ask the question and then we'll go one

2233
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 1: to three and we're gonna answer. Okay, can you pee

2234
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 1: from a tree saddle? You can do one and two

2235
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 1: For me, I was you want some podcast gold let

2236
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 1: John described that process. I will not describe that process,

2237
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 1: but it's possible. Huh oh, I've done it. Many times.

2238
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 1: All right, well there you go, ladies and gentlemen, real careful.

2239
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: And one other thing on safety I want to throw

2240
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:48,719
Speaker 1: in real quick. I have had two different fathers come

2241
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 1: to my workshops with their kids, teenage kids. One was

2242
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:56,720
Speaker 1: a girl, one was a twelve year old boy, and

2243
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,400
Speaker 1: the mothers would not let their kids hunt out at stands.

2244
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 1: They would only let them haut out of saddles because

2245
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 1: it was safe from a moment they left the ground

2246
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: to the moment they got back on the ground. And

2247
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 1: the one girl that came, they were from New York

2248
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: Dad and he brought his daughter and they were after

2249
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 1: this one big eight point and she ended up shooting

2250
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 1: it on and all days said in the rain. He

2251
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't even want to go. She said, Dad, I want

2252
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 1: to go. We gotta go today. You gotta give me

2253
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 1: a rain soon. And she ended up killing that big

2254
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 1: away point was it was awful. We had an instance, uh,

2255
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 1: not that long ago, a couple of months ago, and

2256
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: uh we had a bunch of people around and we're

2257
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,759
Speaker 1: trying on saddles and we had somebody in a saddle

2258
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 1: who had never been in one. Um we didn't know

2259
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: at the time necessarily, but he had a health issue,

2260
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 1: and in my backyard in his saddle, he went into

2261
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 1: a he was in the shop, it was on the

2262
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: concrete floor. He went into a full epileptic seizure. Um,

2263
01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:01,720
Speaker 1: zero control of any of his body parts. He kind

2264
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: of swung forward into the post, did his thing. We

2265
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 1: were able to kind of lower him down on whatever else,

2266
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 1: but that saddle kept him upright and off the floor.

2267
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 1: And and to add, he was not a small guy.

2268
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 1: He did not have the end seem of a beagle.

2269
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 1: He's too he's too fifty. If he had hit the ground,

2270
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 1: it would have been it would have been bad. So

2271
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:26,960
Speaker 1: it was very fortunate that he was his you know,

2272
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: testing out that saddle. My mom was really paranoid. This

2273
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 1: is that mom that was a helicopter warrior. And so

2274
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: the only place I bow hunted for most of my

2275
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 1: younger life was right behind our house. We had three

2276
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 1: and a half acres. That's why I learned to bowhunt

2277
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 1: was our three and half acre property. And um we

2278
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 1: had a good number of deer and a few bucks

2279
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 1: here and there. But on her life, she would not

2280
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:51,720
Speaker 1: allow me or my dad to put a tree stand

2281
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 1: up back there. You head out from the ground but

2282
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 1: if I had a tree saddle back when I was thirteen,

2283
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 1: I would have had a hell of a lot more

2284
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: bucks on my wall been spinning around like tethered. Got

2285
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 1: nothing to worry about? Are you an only child? No,

2286
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 1: I was the oldest though. Yeah. So with that, unless

2287
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,559
Speaker 1: you guys have any other final thoughts you want to add.

2288
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 1: I got something. Um, there's a couple maybe for me

2289
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 1: that might might even be some of the biggest benefits

2290
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 1: out of saddle and I'll make it quick. But um,

2291
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:29,759
Speaker 1: I guess I don't have any one type of style.

2292
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 1: The way I hunt. I often hunt from the ground. Um.

2293
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 1: I often go into um an area where I think

2294
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 1: a good deer is. And I don't have any plan

2295
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 1: as far as what tree I'm gonna be in. If

2296
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a tree, um, you know, uh

2297
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: access all that stuff and with with the tree settle,

2298
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 1: what I like is that I can wear that in

2299
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 1: and I can without a problem. I can sneak through

2300
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 1: a standing cornfield without getting called it up on every stock.

2301
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 1: I can sneak through marsh grass without making all kinds

2302
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: of racket of my my tree stand um, you know,

2303
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 1: catching on the on the cat tails I can get

2304
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:13,480
Speaker 1: into a spot and hunt from the ground and where

2305
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: my where my saddle? And I did that last year

2306
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 1: and and almost killed a great book in Ohio. Um

2307
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 1: I can carry my um my head's up decoy, and

2308
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 1: I can have the saddle on, and I could, you know,

2309
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 1: set that up, get twenty ft up in a tree.

2310
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Or I can set it up, hunt from the ground

2311
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 1: and have everything I need on me or in my backpack,

2312
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: and I don't have to worry about taking this big

2313
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 1: twelve pounds stand off and and setting it. Or you know,

2314
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 1: if I spot, if I spot a buck bedded and

2315
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 1: now this might not happen often, I could stalk him

2316
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 1: if I want to with that thing on. And you

2317
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 1: know when we used it in we had we had

2318
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 1: those saddles on. We were prepared to get up in

2319
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 1: a tree. We were prepared to glass a book and

2320
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 1: sneak up on it. We were prepared to sit on

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01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 1: the ground without any extra bulky gear that's catching on stuff.

2322
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean you can adjust, uh you know, you know,

2323
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 1: if you're hunting on the ground or still hunting, all

2324
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 1: that stuff comes into play, and it's all in a

2325
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 1: very small package that's with you without the bulk and

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01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:17,880
Speaker 1: the extra weight of a tree stand. So that really

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01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 1: fits my style. Well, I don't always get up in

2328
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 1: a tree, but I always have it on, so the

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01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 1: option is always there. Well, what from our camp to

2330
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 1: where I ended up shooting my buck in Nebraska was

2331
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:30,920
Speaker 1: over two miles? Right if I had been carrying a

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01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: thirteen extra thirteen pounds stand bulky with me, what I've

2333
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:35,560
Speaker 1: made it that far or what I've been like, Oh

2334
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 1: screw this. I was gonna stop in a mile and

2335
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 1: a half or something, but instead I was wearing my saddle.

2336
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 1: I made it the two two and a half miles

2337
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And then I spotted that buck

2338
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 1: and then it made a move, and then I realized

2339
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: there's no tree to get set up, and so I'm

2340
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 1: going to hunt from the ground. But I didn't have

2341
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: to worry about all this other stuff. I could just

2342
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,920
Speaker 1: squat right in that cedar tree and super duper flexible,

2343
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: and then I killed that dear perfect. It's a fantastic point.

2344
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 1: We were with the other day, Ernie and I were

2345
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 1: in Iowa with the hunting public, and Zack Farrenball made

2346
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 1: that exact point, but he added a little caveat to it.

2347
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: He said, If I'm carrying that tree stand and it's

2348
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:10,839
Speaker 1: and I'm going deep, he says, I almost feel obligate

2349
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 1: like I took it. I got to climb the tree

2350
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 1: and hunt out of it, right, And he said what

2351
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: you said, Andy, that you know, I'll wear the saddle

2352
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 1: now and I'll walk in and if I find a

2353
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: place on the ground, I don't feel bad about not

2354
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:26,280
Speaker 1: climbing the tree or feel piste off that I just

2355
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 1: carried this boat anchor back here for you know, two miles.

2356
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a really really it's versatile, but it's

2357
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 1: it's good insight to hear that. You know, a golfer

2358
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 1: doesn't carry one club a saddle. You don't have to

2359
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 1: be weirdos like me and Ernie that we only saddle

2360
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 1: and John like we only that hunt that way, a

2361
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 1: golfer carries more than one club. Right, So if you

2362
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 1: get a saddle, sometimes it will work for you and

2363
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes it won't. You choose it when it makes sense,

2364
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 1: and choose it or leave it at home when it

2365
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But the way you what you just

2366
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 1: brought up, Andy was really really good about you know,

2367
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: you could hunt from the ground it's really a versatile product.

2368
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 1: And I will say, for like in my position, having

2369
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 1: just started last year, after one year using it, where

2370
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 1: where I've settled as far as where I see saddle

2371
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 1: hunting fitting into my repertoire and moving forward is where

2372
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 1: I have tree stands already up from prior years. I'll

2373
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,160
Speaker 1: keep hunting them because they're there, they're ready to go,

2374
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,720
Speaker 1: but from here on out hunting new locations, whether it

2375
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: be mobile or even when I'm prepping spots like this year,

2376
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 1: I prepped a new farm and I only hung one

2377
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 1: tree stand because I wanted to have one tree stand

2378
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 1: for like a new hunter maybe who didn't have a saddle,

2379
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: just something otherwise. That was a bill. Bill, I got

2380
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,040
Speaker 1: a question for you, Mark, Yeah, And you're the perfect

2381
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 1: guy to answer this because I remember last year when

2382
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 1: you did a little five or ten minute dissertation after

2383
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 1: you use the saddle um you had questioned how well

2384
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,000
Speaker 1: it would work with the camera, and you found it

2385
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:59,080
Speaker 1: to work very easy with the camera. A lot of

2386
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:02,080
Speaker 1: people out there use cameras. Really good question. Yes, that

2387
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 1: was one of my big question marks leading into it.

2388
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 1: It sounded like it's gonna be tricky, but no, it

2389
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 1: actually worked better because when you're self filming, you've got

2390
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 1: this camera arm that has to attach to the tree,

2391
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,520
Speaker 1: and when you're sitting against the tree, that camera arm

2392
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 1: is off to one side of you. So for me,

2393
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: I typically put up my right side so I could

2394
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 1: hold my ball and the left and I could adjust

2395
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 1: the flu ahead with her right to film. But when

2396
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 1: you're in that position you can film. You know, that's

2397
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 1: okay for using the clock idea again. But now I'm

2398
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 1: sitting with the tree is now at my so the

2399
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 1: trees at my twelve. Now I'm facing the six. I

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01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 1: could film obviously from a six to nine, I could

2401
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 1: film maybe to ten or eleven, but you have to

2402
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:44,320
Speaker 1: spin all the way around and then going to my left,

2403
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:47,560
Speaker 1: I could film easily five four, three to one. But

2404
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:50,880
Speaker 1: anything behind you you couldn't wrap the tree arm around

2405
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 1: you because there's only a couple of feet of lengthen arm.

2406
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:56,360
Speaker 1: So really you couldn't film past three o'clock because you

2407
01:59:56,480 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 1: are in the way. So with the tree set, although

2408
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm leaning out away from the tree, so now that

2409
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 1: arm moves inside of me, so now I can wrap

2410
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:08,280
Speaker 1: around the tree much more either way to film. Never

2411
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 1: gotten the way and it was actually better than from

2412
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 1: a tree stand. That's my experience too. I've been filming

2413
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 1: my hunts for three seasons now. In I mean, I

2414
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:19,240
Speaker 1: hate carrying a camera arm and it's stupid and bulky,

2415
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 1: and I hate it. Every every year I say I'm

2416
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:22,760
Speaker 1: not gonna do it, and then I do it again anyway.

2417
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:26,600
Speaker 1: But I have never once felt like the saddle got

2418
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 1: in the way of filming. It was. It was always easy.

2419
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,160
Speaker 1: And again you can maneuver around it more too, with

2420
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 1: the whole fact you can move in the tree in

2421
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,320
Speaker 1: the saddle better. That's another way. For some reason, the

2422
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 1: camera was in the way in my tree stand, I'm

2423
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,800
Speaker 1: stuck with it. Now I can just swivel a just

2424
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:44,280
Speaker 1: shoot around it. Well. And I've heard a couple of

2425
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 1: people too that if you have a dedicated cameraman that

2426
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 1: don't even bring an arm, they bring a shoulder mount

2427
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 1: camera because the saddle itself gives you so much flexibility

2428
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 1: to maneuver around the tree that you don't need the

2429
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 1: arm necessarily to make those moves. As uh, that's how

2430
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 1: is doing That's how they were doing it. Oh, you're

2431
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:10,240
Speaker 1: saying for the guy who's filming. So if I'm a cameraman. Yes,

2432
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't bring in arm anymore because I can actually

2433
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 1: just doing that use the body to adjust exactly. That's

2434
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:18,880
Speaker 1: like it seems like a lot of movement to me,

2435
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 1: but maybe not. I've never tried it, but you know, interesting,

2436
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 1: don't where you're at, hands doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Just

2437
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:29,440
Speaker 1: jump in the saddle with you and you just choke

2438
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:33,360
Speaker 1: them out right. Oh, somebody did ask me, like, on

2439
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 1: a one to ten scale, how much more likely will

2440
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:37,560
Speaker 1: my wife be into me if I use a saddle

2441
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:41,760
Speaker 1: to hunt? We have answers. Yeah, I've got a second

2442
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:47,400
Speaker 1: trial in the way, so question answer, and with that,

2443
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:51,320
Speaker 1: I think we'll wrap it up. Thank you, Greg, John, Andy, Ernie.

2444
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely thank you for the office. They appreciate it. And

2445
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:59,440
Speaker 1: that is a rap one hell of a podcast, if

2446
02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't say so myself, I hope you enjoyed this one.

2447
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:06,320
Speaker 1: If you haven't taken the leap in saddle hunting, you know,

2448
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 1: we were just hammering it hard for two hours, all

2449
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:11,040
Speaker 1: about it. Um, you know what I think about it.

2450
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 1: I do think trying them on, feeling it out would

2451
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:17,120
Speaker 1: be helpful. Feel free to reach out let me know

2452
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:19,680
Speaker 1: what kind of questions you have. What concerns you might

2453
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:22,280
Speaker 1: still have Hit me up on Instagram at wired to Hunt,

2454
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 1: or go to our Wired Hunt Facebook page leave a

2455
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:27,800
Speaker 1: comment in question under this post. For this podcast, we'll

2456
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 1: do our best to answer those questions and get you

2457
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:33,520
Speaker 1: more info if you need it. So until then, I

2458
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 1: know a lot of you guys are starting your hunting

2459
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 1: seasons here any day. Now. Wow, that's a crazy thing

2460
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:41,840
Speaker 1: to say. I still can't believe it. As you're listening

2461
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 1: to this, I am either still driving or I've arrived

2462
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 1: in North Dakota and I'm setting up on a bluff

2463
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:51,360
Speaker 1: doing some long distance scouting, and I am pumped. I'm

2464
02:02:51,400 --> 02:02:53,120
Speaker 1: so excited. This is the time of year we've been

2465
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:56,160
Speaker 1: working towards four months and months and months, and now

2466
02:02:56,320 --> 02:03:00,280
Speaker 1: it's time to execute on that game plan. So I

2467
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:04,040
Speaker 1: will leave you all with the most good luck I

2468
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:06,640
Speaker 1: can possibly send your way. I'm gonna be sending all

2469
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:09,120
Speaker 1: the good vibes that possible can't out to all of

2470
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:13,200
Speaker 1: you folks listening. Good luck, have a great time, be safe,

2471
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 1: and until we chat next, stay Wired to Hunt.