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Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.

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Speaker 2: The winds keep.

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Speaker 1: Getting stacked and we haven't even gotten the official inauguration

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump yet. We're gonna have some fun with

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Speaker 1: you here on this Wednesday, one week before Christmas. I

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Speaker 1: know many of you out there are super excited for Christmas,

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Speaker 1: a lot of kids starting to get out for the

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Speaker 1: holiday season, and it is a fun time across the

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Speaker 1: nation as we are a little bit more than one

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Speaker 1: month from Donald Trump or raising up the right hand

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Speaker 1: and being sworn into office. As I don't believe we've

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Speaker 1: even said on this program, we will be up in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. For the inauguration from the Clay and Buck

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Speaker 1: Headquarters Studios in Washington, d C. It should be a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. We're gonna be celebrating bringing you all

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Speaker 1: the sights and sounds of the nation's capital as Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump takes back control. There are a lot of stories

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Speaker 1: to get into. We're gonna dive into all of them.

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Speaker 1: But breaking news from the Wall Street Journal this morning,

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with breaking news I believe from Variety magazine,

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Speaker 1: the culture Wars were finally starting to win some battles.

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Speaker 1: Buck and I've got a sort of roadmap here that

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Speaker 1: I want to run us through your home state of

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Speaker 1: Florida now or your relocated home state. Buck has become

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Speaker 1: a frontline winner in this culture war, and let me

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Speaker 1: kind of give you a roadmap. Let me explain what

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Speaker 1: I mean by that if you haven't heard. The decision

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Speaker 1: to settle the ABC News defamation lawsuit filed by Trump

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Speaker 1: against ABC News and George Stephanopolis over them accusing him

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Speaker 1: of having been adjudicated guilty of or alibel for rape

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Speaker 1: was settled for fifteen million dollars and the decision went

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Speaker 1: all the way up to CEO Bob Iger. Why did

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Speaker 1: they settle this case? It made it past summary judgment.

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Speaker 1: That means it was going to go to trial probably

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Speaker 1: and it was going to be going to trial in

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Speaker 1: the state of Florida. Oh yeah, the state of Florida

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Speaker 1: won by thirteen points by Donald Trump. Where Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: has absolutely kicked Disney's butt all over the place in

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Speaker 1: the wake of their don't say gay rebellion against the

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Speaker 1: State of Florida. Remember, basically, Disney bent the knee to

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Speaker 1: DeSantis and the State of Florida and effectively said you

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Speaker 1: were right, we were wrong. That comes along with this

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Speaker 1: news story. Again, I think this is significant. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the fact that it even happened is a sign of

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Speaker 1: how broken our culture had become. But the fact that

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Speaker 1: we're now starting to get winds stacked, I think is significant.

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Speaker 1: Buck Disney has decided to eliminate a transgender storyline from

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Speaker 1: an upcoming series that it was making, called Win or Lose.

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Speaker 1: The show was about a co ed middle school softball team,

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Speaker 1: and there were eight episodes, each one centered on the

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Speaker 1: off the field life of one of the characters. There

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Speaker 1: was a transgender character that was going to be featured

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Speaker 1: in this children's programming. Disney says they have decided to

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Speaker 1: pull that because, quote, when it comes to animated content

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Speaker 1: for a younger audience, we recognize many parents would prefer

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Speaker 1: to discuss certain subjects with their children on their own

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Speaker 1: timeline and terms.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: This is effectively Disney saying Ron DeSantis, you were right.

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Speaker 1: We apologize for all that don't say gay bs. We

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Speaker 1: rational parents out there that don't believe animated programming should

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Speaker 1: be addressing issues of sexuality. This is a big win.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to celebrate wins.

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Speaker 3: There's huge change of foot right now and we are

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Speaker 3: seeing it and it is positive.

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Speaker 2: It's very encouraging.

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Speaker 3: I would just say to put in context, Clay, what

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Speaker 3: a difference it is now with Disney in tone and action.

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Speaker 3: Remember just a couple years ago we were doing the

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Speaker 3: show together, so it's definitely been the last few years.

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Speaker 3: The Disney Chief Creative exec whatever her official title was,

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Speaker 3: who said she had a pan sexual child and a transchild, Well,

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Speaker 3: the lotto odds of that, I mean, she might as

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Speaker 3: well go out and do a scratch off ticket, because wow,

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Speaker 3: the chances of that just happening to be the case

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Speaker 3: for somebody is infinitesimal. And she was talking also in

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Speaker 3: the context of the need to push more LGBTQIA plus

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Speaker 3: a place where we don't have to use that acronym

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Speaker 3: anymore because they're different. By the way, Why put all

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Speaker 3: of these people together. I've had conversations rec with a

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Speaker 3: couple of friends of mine who are gay, and they

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Speaker 3: despise the fact that the trans and pan sexual and

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Speaker 3: all these different identities are always linked now to the

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Speaker 3: gay community, as if this is the same thing. They said, No,

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Speaker 3: they have their thing, they've got something else going on.

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Speaker 3: We have something else going on. So you can talk

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Speaker 3: your ABC Stephanopoulos point. This is really really critical right

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Speaker 3: now for the Trump movement. We've talked a lot about this,

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Speaker 3: the deep state. They're continuing resolution by the way Congress

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Speaker 3: will get to that. They want to just do what

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Speaker 3: they've done, and people are paying attention now. But there's

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Speaker 3: also the border, which we've talked about a lot. Here's

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Speaker 3: the question, Clay, and it's a big one, and I

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Speaker 3: think the ABC News one goes to this. And also

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Speaker 3: Trump now suing and Seltzer, the polster in Iowa. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if we've mentioned this. I don't think we've

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Speaker 3: pollster who was off by seventeen points something like that

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Speaker 3: with her last poll before the election. What is the

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Speaker 3: proper response, Clay, to the law fair that has been

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Speaker 3: done against Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: What is the proper response?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, no, I say it's a fantastic question.

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Speaker 1: I mean to continue, but let's just think about some

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Speaker 1: of the things they have done to him. What should

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Speaker 1: Trump and the new administration do in response to the

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Speaker 1: not just for criminal indictments, the absolutely ludicrous four hundred

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Speaker 1: the number. It was hundreds of millions of dollars that

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Speaker 1: New York State brought in his settlement against him.

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Speaker 2: Were the banks that worked with him? Said, we were

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Speaker 2: paid on time, made money, and everything was great. What

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Speaker 2: do you talk? How is that fraud?

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Speaker 3: Everybody's happy except the Democrat partisan attorney general. The New

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Speaker 3: York City case as well, Clay, so many instances of

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Speaker 3: this is what does Trump do? They keep saying, we're

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Speaker 3: afraid of thetribution. Well, there should be justice, and to

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Speaker 3: some people that may look like retribution. I think that's

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Speaker 3: what I said. Here's what a lot of people are missing.

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Speaker 3: I think buck where he's filing these lawsuits, the biggest

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Speaker 3: part of law fair against Donald Trump was blue cities

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Speaker 3: and blue states went to war with him. Where did

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Speaker 3: they bring their cases? New York City, where the jury

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Speaker 3: is overwhelmingly rigged against Trump, Atlanta, Georgia, where the jury

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Speaker 3: jury is overwhelmingly rigged, against Trump. Where did the case collapse?

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Speaker 3: First Florida when they had to move the case relating

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Speaker 3: to classified documents from Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: To Florida.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that many people out there in the

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Speaker 1: general public spend much time thinking about this, but lawyers

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Speaker 1: spend a great deal of time thinking about this. Where

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Speaker 1: matters monumentally. Red state and red cities have been nowhere

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Speaker 1: their political enemies as Democrats have been with blue cities

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Speaker 1: and blue states. Why did the case get settled the

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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars ABC News Because I think it was

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Speaker 1: filed in Florida and they were terrified of the jury there.

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Speaker 2: Let's think about some of the defamation suits. That's what

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Speaker 2: I'm going through.

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Speaker 1: Where's he where he's filing now Buck Iowa? He won

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Speaker 1: by sixteen Gannett's going to be really nervous about this.

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Speaker 3: This is It's so important though, that people understand the

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Speaker 3: context of these actions. Clay Ejene Carroll brought a suit

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Speaker 3: only possible because they changed the statue to limitations in

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Speaker 3: New York so she could bring the suit. A suit

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Speaker 3: that Trump, no person could really defend himself against he

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Speaker 3: growthed me in an apartment store thirty five years ago.

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Speaker 3: There's no footage, there's no evidence, but I say so,

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Speaker 3: and now in a jury hates me, so they're gonna

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Speaker 3: go along with this. Then Trump says I didn't assault

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Speaker 3: or rape this woman and she's lying, you know. He

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Speaker 3: says she's lying, and then he is sued for defaming her.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so, now if you are, if you are

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Speaker 3: civilly accused of something that could never be criminally proven,

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Speaker 3: and you say no, I'm not guilty of that. That

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Speaker 3: person is lying about me, you can be sued for

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Speaker 3: whether what was the judgment?

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Speaker 2: There wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: It was a very I can't remember all these judgments

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Speaker 3: against Trump. The Egan Carol defamation suit was very substantial.

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Speaker 1: It's garbage, and remember millions. Not only it's not only

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Speaker 1: that they got the judgment, it's that they freaking change

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Speaker 1: the statute of limitations to allow the judgment to occur.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean you and me are I'm sorry it

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Speaker 2: was five to five million.

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Speaker 3: I said ten. It was a five million dollar judgment.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying this is for you saying I

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Speaker 3: didn't rape that woman. She's lying. Now you can be

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Speaker 3: sued for five million dollars. They have weaponized the law

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Speaker 3: up on Clay goes right to this.

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Speaker 1: You have to fire back, and I've been arguing this

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Speaker 1: for a long time. You have to make the other

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Speaker 1: that's the only way I think you come back to

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Speaker 1: a measure of justice. At some point, it becomes so

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Speaker 1: and say, boy, I really wish you hadn't punched me

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Speaker 1: in the mouth. This is really you really are being

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Speaker 1: mean to me. Boy, you're being a hypocrite. Sooner or later,

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Speaker 1: words don't work. And I mean, everybody who's ever dealt

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Speaker 1: They have to think that they might get punched back

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Speaker 1: you and I think we're finally getting a spine and

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Speaker 3: Play Rudy Giuliani, who saved my hometown and to whom

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Speaker 3: I will always be grateful, And millions of New Yorkers,

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Speaker 3: even some a lot of Democrats feel the same way,

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Speaker 3: grateful to what he did for New Yorkers, for fellow Americans.

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Speaker 3: He lost a one hundred and forty eight million dollar

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Speaker 3: defamation suit for what he said about two election workers. Now, look,

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Speaker 3: should he have said that. No, apparently it was all untrue.

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Speaker 3: But but you know, put aside for a second. It's

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Speaker 3: basically one hundred and fifty million dollar judgment and they're

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Speaker 3: enforcing against Rudy Giuliani's destitute now because he made a claim.

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Speaker 3: They said it was unfounded, it was contentious, it was political,

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Speaker 3: and they brought it in a jurisdiction that's going to

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Speaker 3: crush anybody Trump associated. We to your point, if we

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Speaker 3: do not, if our side does not take action to

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Speaker 3: show that this is a mutually assured law fair destruction

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Speaker 3: in America. That you know, they so to speak, fire

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Speaker 3: the nukes like the old Soviets. We fire the nukes

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Speaker 3: and everybody loses if we don't establish that precedent.

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Speaker 2: They just keep doing this. Look at this, Steve Bannon

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Speaker 2: had to go to federal prison. What did Steve Bannon do.

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Speaker 3: Nothing that Eric Holder didn't do. By the way, when

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Another news

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Speaker 1: One reason, according to the Wall Street Journal, that Disney

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Speaker 5: He was destined to lose it. But rather than basically

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Speaker 2: He's completely wrong here.

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Speaker 1: And notice what he doesn't say that George Stepanopolis was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is why. And I actually maybe we

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Speaker 1: should do a deep dive. I'll even sit down and

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Speaker 1: talk to a bunch of nerds, legal nerds on this,

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Speaker 1: because some of you may be super interested in it.

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Speaker 1: I am, and a lot of legal stuff makes my

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Speaker 1: eyes roll back into my head. I'm like, this is

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Speaker 1: the most boring thing ever. The way in which we

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Speaker 1: define the First Amendment in a social media era has

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Speaker 1: to be recalibrated, because back in the day, Buck, when

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Speaker 1: New York Times v. Sullivan happened, your name only appeared

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Speaker 1: in the newspaper typically if you were a normal person,

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Speaker 1: not a public figure, on the day you were born

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Speaker 1: and on the day you died, Right, that was pretty

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Speaker 1: common in the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, sixties, that kind

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Speaker 1: of era, so most people were not quote unquote public figures.

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Speaker 1: In this day and age, I would argue of social media,

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Speaker 1: almost everyone is a public figure at all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I think we should have a standard that is

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Speaker 1: difficult to define, but should apply kind of evenly between everyone,

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Speaker 1: because all of us are modern day public figures. What

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Speaker 1: should be able to be said in a public forum

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Speaker 1: about someone should not be different, in my opinion, in

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Speaker 1: the way that it is in New York Times v.

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Speaker 2: Sullivan. And also, we don't have this.

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Speaker 1: Print publication era where everybody has tons of hours to

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Speaker 1: get ready. There are lots of errors that happen.

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Speaker 2: I hoped.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Nicholas Sandman case, that young kid who was

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Speaker 1: wearing the Make America Great Again hat? I remember Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Memorial steps. They totally turned him into a racist, awful

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Speaker 1: human being. He got attacked unfairly. He'd done nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he was a victim when the full context

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Speaker 1: of the video came out. He's a kid on a

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Speaker 1: freaking class trip to Washington, d C. On the steps

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Speaker 1: of the Lincoln Memorial. We don't know what the settlements

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Speaker 1: he got because they weren't public. Somebody needs to take

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Speaker 1: a case all the way to the end degree and

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Speaker 1: really have a new precedent set. So that's to me

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Speaker 1: what the significance is of this fifteen million dollars that

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Speaker 1: Trump got from ABC News. It's ABC News recognizing stephan

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Speaker 1: Ovelis was totally wrong. I think buck then behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes they were about to get the depositions, I think

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Speaker 1: they would have found out how biased ABC News is

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Speaker 1: against Trump. There would have been a lot of discovery

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Speaker 1: that would have embarrassed that network. That's why Bob Iger,

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Speaker 1: the CEO of Disney, which owns ABC News, I believe,

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Speaker 1: made the decision to settle this case.

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Speaker 3: So I look, I understand for some people who are

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Speaker 3: seeing what's going on here, I mean the you know,

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Speaker 3: the Seltzer lawsuit, I don't. I don't think that's going

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Speaker 3: anywhere because her defense is just going to be I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm an idiot, or you know, I was an idiot

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Speaker 3: on this issue.

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Speaker 2: I screwed up. I don't think a.

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Speaker 3: Poll unless they can prove that you were kind of

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Speaker 3: colluding behind the scenes to misintentional manipulation of the pole

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Speaker 3: would be the only way it would.

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Speaker 2: Be really tough. It's not impossible.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really really hard to prove that a

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Speaker 3: polster was doing something that's legally actionable in a civil context.

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Speaker 3: That said, the stuff that they've been getting away with

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Speaker 3: when it comes to Trump and doing to Trump.

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Speaker 2: That's why I think the Egen Carol suit and the Rudy.

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Speaker 3: Giuliani suit in Atlanta, you know, and these they're bankrupting

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Speaker 3: their political enemies with with nonsense. I mean, in what

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Speaker 3: universe do you have one hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 3: judge for two women who based on their current earnings

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Speaker 3: and they're not going to make five million dollars over the.

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Speaker 2: Next thirty years.

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Speaker 3: Clay, Yeah, so you're you know, so you're giving them

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million dollars. That's not even gonna

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Speaker 3: happen because Rudy Giuliani has already been bankrupted by all

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Speaker 3: the lawfair against him. It's it's monstrous what they've done

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Speaker 3: with the law, and it has to be set right.

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Speaker 3: And I think just to bring this full circle through

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Speaker 3: their initial discussion, which is it doesn't the way out

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Speaker 3: of this is not, well, we're not going to do

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Speaker 3: mean things to them, it's what are our principles, what

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Speaker 3: are our what are our legal and ethical responsibilities to

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Speaker 3: the system who violated those and what will their punishment

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Speaker 3: be that, you know, other otherwise you're just in a

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Speaker 3: one way war. Otherwise, you know, the Republicans are like pacifists,

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Speaker 3: and the Nazis are rolling in with their pens, are saying, well,

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Speaker 3: this is really easy, Like you can't have a one

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Speaker 3: way war.

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Speaker 2: So this needs to be done.

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Speaker 3: This needs to be part of the incoming administration's agenda.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Christmas holiday is a celebration of life.

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Speaker 3: You have an opportunity to share that same gift with

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Speaker 3: a pregnant mother and her unborn baby. Just imagine during

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Speaker 3: this holiday season what a young woman with an unplanned pregnancy,

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Speaker 3: feeling alone, is going through. But that's a reality that

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Speaker 3: Preborn is seeing each day, and Preborn ministries are operating

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Speaker 3: nationwide straight through the holidays because they want to save

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Speaker 3: as many tiny babies as possible and help as many

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Speaker 3: moms to be become moms as possible. That's through this

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Speaker 3: beautiful process of starting with the ultrasound. You know, I

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Speaker 3: just had Carrie doing her ultrasound update a few days

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Speaker 3: ago and we basically cheer up. We see the little

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Speaker 3: photo of little baby, little thumb, and the whole thing

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Speaker 3: was amazing because when these moms who are being told

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Speaker 3: all this stuff UF are being lied to about oh

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Speaker 3: you know it's it's uh, you know this, this is

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Speaker 3: gonna be fine. You're never gonna regret this, all the

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Speaker 3: pressures out there in society, when they meet the baby

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Speaker 3: via ultrasound, it's overwhelming that their choice is going to

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Speaker 3: be for life. I mean, the numbers speak to this,

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Speaker 3: and this is how Preborn is saving lives every day.

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Speaker 3: So this Christmas season, could you donate twenty eight dollars

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Speaker 3: for an ultrasound? Twenty eight dollars goes right to the

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Speaker 3: ultrasound goes right to saving tiny babies lives. What could

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Speaker 3: be more in the Christmas spirit than that to donate?

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Speaker 3: Dial pound two five zero say the keyword baby. That's

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Speaker 3: pound two five zero, say baby. Or you can go

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Speaker 3: online go to preborn dot com, slash buck that's preborn

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Speaker 3: dot com, slash b u c K sponsored by Preborn.

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Speaker 4: Cheek out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with

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Speaker 4: Clay and Buck podcast, a new episode every Sunday find

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Speaker 4: it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We've got Pocka bell cannon going on here? Is that

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Speaker 2: a Is that a Christmas tune?

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Speaker 3: That just this was just from weddings? That's what I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I usually think of. I was like, Clay,

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Speaker 3: what's going on over here? Is this a Christmas?

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Speaker 1: And twenty years? I don't know, it's Laura Laura bailing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's really interesting. I've never I wasn't expecting us

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Speaker 1: to come into a wedding march.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway, I'm pretty sure that was PoCA Bell's

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Speaker 3: caton and uh, interesting tunes be like, look, we love

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Speaker 3: our Christmas, our Christmas cheer, we love our Mannheim steamroller,

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Speaker 3: and uh, getting into all the holiday spirit. So indeed

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Speaker 3: a lot of that going on. Let's we're going back

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Speaker 3: into Grinch mode here. I just had to say that

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Speaker 3: to make sure everyone feels like we're getting into the

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Speaker 3: Christmas spirit. But now I'm gonna take us out of

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Speaker 3: it by getting into Grinch mode and talking bottom dollar

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Speaker 3: brass tax about the debt, the deficit, government spending, and.

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Speaker 2: All the rest of it.

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Speaker 3: Let's just let's just set the table before we dive

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Speaker 3: into this, and I texted our our buddy Vivak Ramaswami,

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Speaker 3: super busy him and elon trying to save the country.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: I told him anytime he wants to come on and

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Speaker 3: talk about this, you know, we'll we'll make it happen.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think a lot of people right now

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Speaker 3: are kind of gearing up to take some time off

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Speaker 3: before because once we hit in January, I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: when it's you know, everything is imminent, full steam ahead.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of a lull right now, but not

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Speaker 3: for Congress because they're trying to ram this thing through.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's very classic Congress move. Let's lay out

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Speaker 3: clay what this is, and we can we get into

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Speaker 3: the details a little bit. The Wall Street Journal has

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Speaker 3: this deal to avert government shut down includes one hundred

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Speaker 3: and ten billion dollars in disaster and farm aid. It

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Speaker 3: is a sprawling package. It is fifteen hundred pages. The

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Speaker 3: proposal would extend current government funding until March fourteenth, which

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Speaker 3: is moving this down the line until the next Congress

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Speaker 3: would would decide how much money to allocate the federal

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Speaker 3: agencies until September thirtieth, the remainder for the remainder of

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Speaker 3: the fiscal year. So there's one hundred and ten billion.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, Disaster and Farmer leave fifteen hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty seven pages. Don't only leave out those forty seven pages.

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Speaker 3: It is a terrible night for the taxpayer. Congressman Burchett

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Speaker 3: of tennessee your homesteak, Clay saw this. People are not

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Speaker 3: reading this. Vivike I saw was tweeting about this. I

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Speaker 3: can never you know, posting on X. I still I

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Speaker 3: wish we could use some of the tweet language, even

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Speaker 3: though I know X is a far better platform. Viveke

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Speaker 3: was on this and he's saying, look, he's actually reading it, which.

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Speaker 2: Is isn't that funny?

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Speaker 3: First, let's start with that the bill to spend hundreds

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Speaker 3: of billions of dollars of your money. To actually read

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Speaker 3: that thing for the people who are doing it is

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Speaker 3: like a revolution tionary idea, right or for anyone to

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Speaker 3: do that is, no one expects that they're actually reading

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Speaker 3: this whole thing. Why is that, Clay? This should be

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Speaker 3: twenty pages long. This should be a clean spending proposal.

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't be all this stuff they do the cr It

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Speaker 3: just becomes an excuse. Everybody throws their goodies in there,

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Speaker 3: their pork in there.

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Speaker 2: This is the mess.

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Speaker 3: This is why there's no accountability. There's no stopping this

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Speaker 3: runaway spending. And Republicans are they going to go along

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Speaker 3: with this? Is this what we're heading for? Once again,

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Speaker 3: it's disconcerting.

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Speaker 1: All of the time these arguments happen. And again I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be super grinch here. There is no magic bullet.

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Speaker 1: The only way for the government to balance its budget

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Speaker 1: is to address Social Security, Medicare, and our massive federal deficit,

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Speaker 1: which is eating more and more of the budget every year.

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Speaker 1: If you cut everything from the budget except Social Security, Medicare,

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Speaker 1: the interest on the debt, and defense, we would still

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Speaker 1: have a massive federal deficit.

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Speaker 2: And people anytime you mentioned social security, people get fired up.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that we are deluged in emails from people

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Speaker 1: talking about Social Security. It's a broken system, okay, people

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Speaker 1: who are bucking mind's age and I pay in a.

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Speaker 2: Massive amount of social Security.

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Speaker 1: The math doesn't add up for us to be able

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Speaker 1: to get back what we put in.

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Speaker 2: The only way.

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Speaker 1: Social security worked for as long as it did. Again,

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Speaker 1: these are cold, hard truths that most politicians won't tell

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Speaker 1: you because they're worried about getting re elected. And the

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Speaker 1: easy thing to say is I'll never t your social Security,

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Speaker 1: I'll never touch your Medicare. That's what they all say,

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Speaker 1: because they just push it down the line. The reason

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Speaker 1: it worked is because when they started it, the America

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Speaker 1: was a very, very young country and most people didn't

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Speaker 1: live to the ages where they would be able to

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Speaker 1: catch Social Security checks. Now America is very much of

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Speaker 1: an aging country and we have far fewer workers relative

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Speaker 1: to retirees, and as the baby boomers are all retiring,

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Speaker 1: the number of younger people in this country doesn't exist

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Speaker 1: to make.

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Speaker 2: Social Security work. That's the truth.

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Speaker 1: Most politicians will not tell you that. They all run

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Speaker 1: around and say, I'm going to balance the budget. It's

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Speaker 1: impossible to balance the budget without addressing Social Security and Medicare,

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Speaker 1: and look that deserves and should be a huge part

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Speaker 1: of our national discussion. Nobody will touch it because every

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Speaker 1: president only gets eight years and then it's on to

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Speaker 1: the next guy. And the reality is this is a

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Speaker 1: ticking time bomb that's gonna explode in like twenty years.

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Speaker 2: I am, by the way, Merry Christmas, everybody.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say you are growing green fur in

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Speaker 3: real time, mister grinch.

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Speaker 1: But every time we have this happens every time, Buck,

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Speaker 1: Every time one of these continuing resolutions comes up, people get.

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Speaker 2: Mad and they're like, what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: It's gonna get solved, and the solving is we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take on more debt and it's gonna be greater than

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Speaker 1: thirty six trillion dollars and most people are not gonna

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Speaker 1: pay attention again until there's a continuing resolution in a year.

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Speaker 3: We are the problem, yes, that's what. Not me and

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Speaker 3: Clay or Clay and I or Clay and me. No,

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Speaker 3: Clay and I. I am not the problem. Clay is

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Speaker 3: not the problem. Okay, we are not. People would say

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Speaker 3: we are the problem. So but that's what I would

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Speaker 3: agree with you. That depends, yes, right, yeah, But I

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Speaker 3: mean we, the American people, when it comes to this,

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Speaker 3: are the problem. And we go through this exercise because

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Speaker 3: we all say, oh my gosh, the dead team.

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Speaker 2: Check me on. This.

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Speaker 3: Tea Party is a peaceful political revolution in America in

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Speaker 3: circa what twenty ten, Not the original tea party, different,

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Speaker 3: different kind of tea party, but the Tea Party comes

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Speaker 3: out twenty ten. I think that the deficit is twelve

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Speaker 3: trillion or something.

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Speaker 1: I think it was ten trillion. That was the number

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Speaker 1: that finally people panicked on ten trillion. We are at

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Speaker 1: thirty six trillion dollars right now, everybody. So if at

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Speaker 1: ten trillion, you know, my dear friend Glenn Beck can

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Speaker 1: get one hundred thousand people out on the mall and

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Speaker 1: try to bring people into Congress who are prepared to

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Speaker 1: handle the problem.

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Speaker 2: What do we do at thirty six trillion?

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Speaker 3: Not that much longer, you know, a decade and change

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Speaker 3: after that, thirty six trillion dollars. And it's because every

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Speaker 3: time we talk about it, everyone agrees is a problem,

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Speaker 3: and then we say, well, how do we fix the problem,

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Speaker 3: and we would get one hundred angry calls from people saying,

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Speaker 3: but I've paid into Medicare my whole life, and you

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Speaker 3: can't touch it now. No one's obviously, people shouldn't get medicare.

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Speaker 3: That's a horrible bait and switch, and that shouldn't That's

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Speaker 3: not what anyone's suggesting exom when anyone's talking about it's

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Speaker 3: not necessary, that's not.

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Speaker 2: What you need to do.

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Speaker 3: But there are reforms, there are changes to some of

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Speaker 3: these programs that could be made without leaving people who

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Speaker 3: have paid into them high and dry. That would change

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Speaker 3: for the future, that would have a dramatic impact on

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Speaker 3: the budget.

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Speaker 2: And the question is do we have the political will

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Speaker 2: to do it?

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Speaker 3: And Clay this time around, I think the answer is

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Speaker 3: still Unfortunately, if this resolution goes through, this r goes through,

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Speaker 3: the answer is no, we don't have the political will.

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Speaker 3: And then what we're on is a conveyor belt to

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Speaker 3: the edge of a cliff, and by the time we

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Speaker 3: all agree it has to be fix it will be

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Speaker 3: too late to fix it in a way that does

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Speaker 3: not result in massive economic devastation and tremendous loss of

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Speaker 3: financial stability and prosperity for the future. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: we can pick, we can pick our poison. And I

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Speaker 3: think we know what we're doing right now. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're we're drinking the eggnog and worrying about the calories

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Speaker 3: tomorrow totally.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to be one hundred trillion dollars in debt.

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Speaker 1: And most politicians will not tell you any of this

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Speaker 1: because if they do, and they try to address it

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Speaker 1: to bucks point, the American public overwhelmingly rejects the idea

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Speaker 1: that you should even talk about the problem.

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Speaker 2: It's like, to your.

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Speaker 1: Point on the on the drink the egnog, we're about

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Speaker 1: the calories tomorrow. It's like being wildly obese and getting

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Speaker 1: mad when somebody says, maybe you should eat a little

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Speaker 1: bit less, And that's that.

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Speaker 2: It's the unfortunate reality.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're Democrat, Republican, independent, nobody talks about the ticking

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Speaker 1: time bomb of the entitlements and the fact that in

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Speaker 1: the next twenty to forty years this is going to

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Speaker 1: blow up into an even larger issue. Now, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that there isn't incredible amounts of graft inside of

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Speaker 1: our government, that we shouldn't have far fewer federal employees

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Speaker 1: than we do. It's just that you can't. The analogy

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Speaker 1: I used to use is, yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't want to interrupt.

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Speaker 3: You tell me the analogy, and then I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: the feedback we're getting right now from this conversation in

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Speaker 3: real time.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people are mad at us for even bringing

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Speaker 1: it up. But here it's like saying we've got to

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Speaker 1: go on a diet, but you can only lose weight

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Speaker 1: in your right arm, like you can't fix your body

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Speaker 1: by only addressing issues in the right arm, the whole

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Speaker 1: body has to be addressed. That's the reality of our

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Speaker 1: budget depths. That are we getting deluged with people who

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Speaker 1: are mad about like anytime you mention it, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, vip Cynthia, quit calling social security and entitlement. It

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Speaker 3: is not welfare. We paid in all our working lives

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Speaker 3: and are just getting your money out back. I didn't

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Speaker 3: even think I did I even did we say social

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Speaker 3: Security is entitlement. I don't even I was talking about Medicare,

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Speaker 3: which is a.

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Speaker 1: I think again the way that you classify this, it's

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Speaker 1: an entitlement, meaning the money has to be spent out.

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Speaker 1: In other words, every year they don't vote on Hey,

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Speaker 1: what are social Security and medicare going to be?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: It's an automatic entitlement inside of the government. That's an

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Speaker 1: accurate phrase. I don't know why she's upset about that,

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Speaker 1: but in other words, it has to be spent. It

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Speaker 1: isn't a line item. Every year social Security grows at

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Speaker 1: a certain rate, every year, Medicare grows at a certain

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Speaker 1: rate adjusted for inflation, and it isn't addressed. It's not

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Speaker 1: like it's a part of the larger budget resolutions. It's

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Speaker 1: an entitlement that's accurate. I don't know what that a

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Speaker 1: quibble with term. Well, it's very straight it's very straightforward.

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Speaker 2: I mean you either.

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Speaker 3: Address I mean, Medicare is the big one that will

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Speaker 3: actually just that just continues to blow a massive hole

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Speaker 3: through the budget every year. So you can address Medicare,

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Speaker 3: and you can address some ways social Security, and a

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Speaker 3: little bit of defense spending too, you could probably throw

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Speaker 3: in there as well. That's the one that Republicans generally

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Speaker 3: don't want to talk about, although there are Republicans who

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Speaker 3: love defense spending and then they go work for Lockheed

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Speaker 3: or sit on the board there, or become lobbyists for it.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we either care about this or we don't.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of think that a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 3: ever reached the point where they say everyone wants to

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Speaker 3: everyone wants to say they care about the debt, nobody

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Speaker 3: wants to actually deal with it. Everyone wants to spend, everyone.

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Speaker 2: Wants to say Santa Claus is real.

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Speaker 3: It's just he's the guy who's paying all the bills

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Speaker 3: for the government that we don't actually have the money for.

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Speaker 3: So we print the money, which debases the currency, which

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Speaker 3: means everything gets more expensive, which means grandchildren. Right now

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Speaker 3: of people who are receiving these programs are going to

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Speaker 3: be in a less well off country than they would

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Speaker 3: have otherwise been because paying the interest on the debt

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Speaker 3: is going to be massive. But you know, man, this

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Speaker 3: this is our this was our grinch segment. You know

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Speaker 3: what spend spend like, there's no spend like, there's no tomorrow. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: forget about it. What's the difference. Let's go to one

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Speaker 3: hundred trillion. Let's ride that train. Let's ride off the

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Speaker 3: end of the cliff because we all are owed it, right,

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Speaker 3: We're all owed it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I want Medicare and Social Security too, exactly as they are.

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Speaker 1: Yay Mary Christmas. By the way, Mary christ was everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'll just point this out. Also, I'd prefer the government

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Speaker 1: didn't take our money, like let you invest for retirement

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Speaker 1: I personally would choose. I don't want the government to

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Speaker 1: give it back to me. If I happen to live

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Speaker 1: to be seventy five, I'd rather keep all my money

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Speaker 1: all the time. I think I can use it better

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. A lot of people. Well,

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Speaker 1: we got some talkbacks? Shall we play some talkbacks here?

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Speaker 2: Buck?

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Speaker 1: Let people react to some of the comments that we

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Speaker 1: have had so far. This is from Tampa. Unidentified Tampa listener.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 8: The elephant in the room is term limits. You have

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Speaker 8: these politicians that have been there for years. They promise

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Speaker 8: everything they put jump into the budget just to make

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Speaker 8: their constituents happy. We really need term limits that would

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Speaker 8: help cust the budget.

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Speaker 1: I I don't disagree in general with the idea of

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Speaker 1: term limits, and we've said on this show for some time, Buck, don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should spend like Joe Biden did

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Speaker 1: fifty years in government. Government should be something you do,

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Speaker 1: not something that is your job. For your entire life.

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Speaker 1: The problem with term limits in general is we all

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Speaker 1: can go vote for whoever we want in Congress every

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Speaker 1: two years or in the Senate every you know, six

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Speaker 1: year terms, but every four years pretty much there's a

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Speaker 1: Senate race in your favorite your home state.

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Speaker 3: They serve terms. So the whole point is the accountability

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Speaker 3: comes for reelection. And some of these Republicans, I think,

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Speaker 3: is where people get so frustrated. In particular, they just

870
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Speaker 3: play the same game. You know, I don't know, maybe

871
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: there's a deep state republic I mean a deep red

872
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: Republican senator, deep state Republicans and a deep deep red

873
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 3: Republican senator who you know goes along with the DC

874
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 3: consens us a lot, but he shows up on Fox

875
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: News once in a while a few good things, and

876
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: everyone forgets and they keep elected him, electing him, And

877
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of these where, you know, I

878
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: just want to say, like, why why is there a

879
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 3: cent Why is Senator Cornyn able to represent the great

880
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: state of Texas. Why is James Langford representing what is

881
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: the Oklahoma right? And he's the guy who went along

882
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 3: with the idiotic border bill in the election year, which

883
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: is all just to give cover to Democrats. Well, people

884
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma are going to vote for James Langford again probably,

885
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: or at least they voted for him in the first place.

886
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: You know, we got to take accountability, man. The the

887
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: the end of accountability is the end of doing any

888
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: good things in government because no one's ever responsible for anything.

889
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: So that's that's how I feel about it.

890
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: Let me also hit this h since we're playing grinch here,

891
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: let me also hit this social security concept in general,

892
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of times people don't really

893
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: examine things because they just have always been there. So

894
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: security is an awful, I think construct that eventually has

895
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: to explode. And the reason why that is just follow

896
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: me along here, and by the way, you can reach

897
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: out and explain if I'm not understanding something basic. But

898
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to explain people in a couple of minutes.

899
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: What goes on here. They take, meaning the government does

900
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: a set portion of your paycheck from the moment you

901
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: start getting a job, and they say we'll give this

902
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: back to you when you get old. When they take

903
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: your money, they don't allow that money to grow at

904
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: its natural rate. If you just bought say s and

905
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Speaker 1: P five hundred index funds and reinvested it. You would

906
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: make over time eight or nine percent over the course

907
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: of that time. And by the way, the reason why

908
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: compound interest works and why you should invest I'm giving

909
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: you a little bit of a tip is what I

910
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: do every ten years, your money should double if you

911
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: invest it decently. If you just buy index funds and

912
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: what touch it, just every ten years, it should double.

913
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

914
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: They give you instead of what you would actually earn

915
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: on your money, they give you a rate of return,

916
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: which is basically inflation, and typically inflation is two or

917
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: three percent if you have a decent person in charge

918
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: of the economy, not Joe Biden, right, and then you

919
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: only get it if you and or your spouse are

920
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: alive when you get to that age. That's an awful

921
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: freaking deal, and most people just accept it because it's

922
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: always existed for all of our lives. And now it's

923
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: going to implode because it was always predicated on the

924
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: idea that there are more young people than there are

925
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: old people.

926
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: But if you look at the distribution.

927
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: Of ages in this country, we are soon going to

928
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: have an aging and graining population. And this is not

929
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: unique to the United States. This is happening all over

930
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: the world, buying large except for Africa, and so the

931
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: math doesn't add up because there aren't enough young people

932
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: to pay for old people's retirement. But the deal itself

933
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: is a bad one for everyone. And if you're out

934
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: there and you actually labor, that as you work with

935
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: your hands, you are physically doing a hard, physical job

936
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: as opposed to like what you and I do, Buck,

937
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: or you just sitting talking to a mic. But if

938
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: you're out there listening to us right now and at

939
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: the end of the day you're tired physically because of

940
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: your labor, you actually get the worst deal of all

941
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: because your average age, your average length of life is lower.

942
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: So poor people don't live as long as rich people.

943
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: So you're taking the money from poor people and you're

944
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: using it to pay for rich people's retirement.

945
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: Nobody talks about.

946
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: It them Budsman here at Clay, But we are vocal

947
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: court athletes, sir, so you know, let's give us.

948
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: But do you know sometimes this is where having kids

949
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: is so interesting, because kids come to the world with

950
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: open eyes and they think, like, is this the right

951
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: thing to do? Young people in general, the older you

952
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: get the less you question, by and large, whatever system

953
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: you find yourself in.

954
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: This is this is about psychology, not about math. That's

955
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: the problem. And the psychology is people want to know

956
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 3: that when they're old, the government will be there for them.

957
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 3: That's what this really comes down to. It's the same

958
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 3: way that no matter how many times we go over

959
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 3: minimum minimum wage and it doesn't work the way that

960
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: it's intended. People like minimum wage because they like the

961
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 3: idea of people being paid a decent wage for their labor,

962
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: and they don't trust the market and they worry about exploitation.

963
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: So it's emotional.

964
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: So I can tell people that you know, by setting

965
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: the minimum wage, if you set it too high, here's

966
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 3: what happens. People lose jobs automation know. Yeah, we can

967
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: go through some million times people like it and the

968
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: thing and this is why a little bit of this

969
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: is kind of you know, sticking our hand into.

970
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: The blender on this issue a little bit. Thanks Clay.

971
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: Right before Christmas, he's like, let's let's antagonize some of

972
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: the pro soles.

973
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: Well, this cr is going on and people get fired

974
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: up every year and they're like, we gotta do something

975
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: about this.

976
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: And then the CR gets passed and nothing.

977
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: The truth is, you know, I actually saw this, this

978
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: clip of Believe It or Not Ben Affleck. I saw

979
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 3: him discussing I know this is gonna sound like a diversion,

980
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 3: but like Trump, I'm weaving.

981
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm weaving. It's gonna make sense.

982
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: The ben Affleck very astute on AI and what we'll

983
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: do for the entertainment industry. I don't know if you've

984
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: seen that clip as well, but he's he can dial

985
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: into things. He does understand. He does not understand the

986
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: Middle Easter or politics, but he understands AI in the

987
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: context of movies, and he also understands suffering in the

988
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: context of somebody who struggled with alcohol. Yeah, and I

989
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 3: saw this clip of him where he just said, you know,

990
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: there's all this stuff, and he said, I give respect

991
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 3: to twelve step programs.

992
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: I give respect to AA. It's very helpful for people.

993
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 3: He's like, the fundamental truth is you will change when

994
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: you have just suffered enough, when you've decided I'm and

995
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: for him, the point was, my alcohol abuse is hurting

996
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: my relationship with my kids and that cannot continue. I

997
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: have suffered enough. I will change with some of these

998
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: issues of structural finance and the debt and the yearly

999
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: deficit everything. I think we haven't suffered enough, and so

1000
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: we won't change because we haven't suffered enough. And I

1001
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 3: know that this is not satisfactory for people because anyone

1002
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: who looks at the numbers, so security runs out, I

1003
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 3: should say it's insolvent, doesn't run out. In twenty thirty

1004
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 3: five medicare, people say I pay into medicare. Most people

1005
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: take out twice what they pay in. Okay, that's not

1006
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: mathematically sustainable, but I just, man, we haven't suffered enough.

1007
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: We haven't seen the interest on the debt become one

1008
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 3: of the you know, the third largest budget items, bigger

1009
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: than even the Pentagon. We haven't seen what that does

1010
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: to household income. We haven't, So I hate to be

1011
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: the bear of manam I'm taking your grinch roll right now.

1012
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: The truth is Americans haven't suffered enough from the overspending,

1013
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: so we're not going to do anything about it. The

1014
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: only thing that can save us is if Doge starts

1015
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: to rack up some wins on the small stuff and

1016
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: people realize this is doable. The alternative more suffering until

1017
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: we want the suffering to stop, and it may be

1018
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: too late to stop it.

1019
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: Here's the other downside on this, buck, how many people

1020
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: lack the ability to understand basic economics, so they're not

1021
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: They may recognize the result, but they're not aware of

1022
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: how to fix the situation. That's a bit like everybody

1023
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: understands that prices are out of control. When you go

1024
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, you feel it. When you drive

1025
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: through a fast food restaurant, you feel it. But how

1026
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: many people understand what's necessary to fix that. That's my concern.

1027
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: And even on the suffering, you can suffer but not

1028
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: understand how to rectify the suffering. On the analogy with

1029
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck, if you're an alcoholic, at some point you

1030
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: look at the alcohol and you say, that is doing

1031
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: this to me. I'm not going to touch it anymore.

1032
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: It's a rational response. Most people can understand that. My

1033
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: concern is we don't teach basic economics very well to

1034
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: the average kid in America, and so a lot of

1035
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: people don't have the tools to understand how to rectify

1036
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: economic failure in the country and then hold people accountable

1037
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: who are making the choices that cause it. That's my concern.

1038
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: Something that you know, I try to I wish I

1039
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 3: whoa ginger. Sorry about that.

1040
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: That scared me. I thought it was a rooster ginger.

1041
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: Just right.

1042
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 3: She snuck under the radio table. She's being such a

1043
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: little peaceful, little snuggle bunny under the table here, and

1044
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 3: someone came in the front door and she just jumped

1045
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: up like a watchdog. Sorry about that, everybody, that kind

1046
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 3: of caught me. She's been napping peacefully at my feet

1047
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 3: the entire show. You know what, when we come back,

1048
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: I think Ginger is saying, enough, you clowns, stop talking

1049
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: about this sad stuff. Let's talk about Christmas at holiday

1050
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: cheer and take some of your calls, hopefully nice ones

1051
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: and you know, meaning nice about us, but maybe not.

1052
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: Well we'll get into all that coming up in a second.

1053
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: Fellow gun owners, some eve been asking me. I was

1054
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: glad they've been asking me on next to like, Hey,

1055
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: I'm seeing you. You're really dialed in on your shooting

1056
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 3: these days. What's going on?

1057
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: People?

1058
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 3: Look, that's not twenty yards, You're only fifteen yards away, Guys,

1059
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: fifteen yards twenty yards dead on shot? A dead on

1060
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: shot is a dead on shot, you know what I mean?

1061
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1062
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1063
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1064
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1065
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1066
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Speaker 3: It takes about half an hour of using it to

1067
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1068
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1075
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