Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3: Morning, everybody, It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. Law La Rosa, it's here,
Speaker 3: and we got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 4: Hell Ky Walker.
Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Andrews Shows.
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
Speaker 1: How's it going.
Speaker 5: How you feeling?
Speaker 4: I feel good, man.
Speaker 3: You know it's crazy. I was talking to Charlemagne about
Speaker 3: you yesterday. I was like, we've been doing the Breakfast
Speaker 3: Club so long. We got a real opportunity to see
Speaker 3: different people grow and and you were one of them.
Speaker 3: I was like, I remember andrew Shows starting off, and
Speaker 3: in the fact I seen a couple of months ago
Speaker 3: that you were. You sold out the Garden a couple
Speaker 3: of times and had your dad with you, so light work.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was like, so how does that feel that girlfriend?
Speaker 3: We actually seen the grind, so people can't just say
Speaker 3: it was overnight because it's white.
Speaker 5: No, we actually seen the grind.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was a while. I remember
Speaker 1: the first time I came to the Breakfast Club. I
Speaker 1: think Charlomagne walked out there five minutes. I was so excited.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, come on show you. He
Speaker 1: was like, yah, I got you, bro. He comes and
Speaker 1: he starts to show you. I got my man showleds here.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll take it away, and then he just left.
Speaker 4: But it was still a great interview.
Speaker 2: With this one. I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna talk,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I'm more interested.
Speaker 1: To hear what Lauren.
Speaker 4: And that was my guy.
Speaker 6: I was telling my friend. I was like, it was like,
Speaker 6: what that's trying to make Homie? I said, I promise
Speaker 6: you he's gonna be like, I'm not going to talk.
Speaker 6: I want to hear what y'all have to Because I.
Speaker 2: Talked, I know what he thinks about things, but I
Speaker 2: want to talk every week. Yes, I'm more interested to
Speaker 2: here with with.
Speaker 1: You'll think he's gonna chime in. You'll see once he
Speaker 1: gets a little spicy, he gets a little spicy, he'll
Speaker 1: be in there.
Speaker 5: So I want.
Speaker 1: I want to tell man, you had all of us
Speaker 1: thinking that that poor girl's family died. Yeah, portion Williams,
Speaker 1: I was terrifying. He's looking at this note and then
Speaker 1: I see her looking at the note and then I'm like, Damn,
Speaker 1: somebody died and the only thing I'm thinking is is
Speaker 1: she gonna stop the interview? You know what I mean, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's this moment where you're like, does she care so
Speaker 1: much about fame? She's like, well, they already dead. They
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be bored.
Speaker 6: She started to get teary eye, and the way she
Speaker 6: looked at her sister, I thought somebody died too. And
Speaker 6: I'm like, ship, all I was saying, is weird getting exclusive?
Speaker 2: She works.
Speaker 6: Like major exclusive right here that I'm like, let me
Speaker 6: see what it said because I need to anchor in
Speaker 6: his headline. But see after TMV brain from Yeah and
Speaker 6: I'm so bad and I love sorry for not gonna
Speaker 6: no everybody's good, I said, I.
Speaker 5: Know Charlamage, even though he's an asshole.
Speaker 3: If that would happen, he would have stopped the interview and
Speaker 3: be like, hey, I need you to outside. I know
Speaker 3: him for that that. I knew it would have been
Speaker 3: some type of joke. I just don't know how far
Speaker 3: he was gonna go.
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny when Schor walked in, Shultz looked
Speaker 2: at that couch and he was like, Yo, that's the
Speaker 2: whole couch, big d.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Now the couches the I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember we were on Brilliant Idiots when we first saw
Speaker 1: that and uh yo, oh my god, and said, uh so,
Speaker 1: why is she called the lift? She should you know
Speaker 1: she why didn't she call a she called a forklift?
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 1: And then she came on. It was really funny, like
Speaker 1: I was watching the episode and she's quite endearing. She's
Speaker 1: just like really really endearing voice. But when you guys
Speaker 1: moved the couch up and I walked in, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the famous couch and I didn't know that there
Speaker 1: are three pieces one part semi circle out, so you know,
Speaker 1: we pulled the whole thing up. Yeah, she filled that
Speaker 1: thing out. There's no way she's making into Hanna Civic,
Speaker 1: Like there's no way.
Speaker 6: She said she could get into PC Cruiser.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, maybe God bless her.
Speaker 5: I wanted to know.
Speaker 3: You know, with this day and age with comedy, right,
Speaker 3: we've recently seen Damian Waye say he's not going back
Speaker 3: on the road because they will cancel you for everything.
Speaker 3: But you are somebody that don't give a f what
Speaker 3: you say, what people think, and why is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know, that's a good. That's a good Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't really care, but I
Speaker 1: think that the days of canceling or done like I
Speaker 1: think I think it's changed, which I think they kind
Speaker 1: of like pendulum is swung, and I think people kind
Speaker 1: of have a sense of humor now or they feel
Speaker 1: like less effective and there's their ability to cancel.
Speaker 2: I think you don't care because you do what could
Speaker 2: have been a hail Mary, or it could have been
Speaker 2: a well coordinated play. It turned out to be a
Speaker 2: well quarter because when Hollywood there was a period and
Speaker 2: I remember this vividly. One time Andrew comes in the studio.
Speaker 2: And Andrew was saying how his agent told him that
Speaker 2: Hollywood does not want white straight.
Speaker 5: No, they tried to gave me white straight male.
Speaker 1: So they gave me, they gave you, They gave me.
Speaker 6: Every day with me to try dating.
Speaker 1: They gave me and they made my character gay film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was say what, go ahead, what do you mean?
Speaker 6: Because you know it's always been that thing of like
Speaker 6: that happens to black men, and that's how you.
Speaker 1: Like, that's just like that's just like the lowest hanging through.
Speaker 1: I don't think the dress ship is is about being gay.
Speaker 1: I just think that, like it's it's white people writing
Speaker 1: scripts that like don't have any friends that aren't white.
Speaker 1: So then when they see black people, they see masculinity, right,
Speaker 1: like this is there, like like what is it? Unconscious
Speaker 1: like bias? Right, So they see black dudes like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the most masculine thing. So like, what's the funniest
Speaker 1: thing to see the most mascul masculin thing in a dress?
Speaker 1: Like to see the rock and a dress is funny,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think that's really it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 1: I think they did it to him too, because you
Speaker 1: just see this big, buff guy in a dress. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they I remember the guy who I remember the guy
Speaker 1: who it was his show. He put me in the
Speaker 1: show Paul Riser. Remember Paul Riser? He I mean he
Speaker 1: was making a million dollars an episode on his show
Speaker 1: on sitcom back in the day. You remember the fuck
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. He was like one of the biggest
Speaker 1: sitcoms starts. He's a great guy, and we were doing
Speaker 1: the show I think it ended up on Hulu and
Speaker 1: he called me. He's like, listen, man, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of white people on the show. It took
Speaker 1: place in the seventies. It was about the Johnny Carson Show.
Speaker 1: He's like two weeks before you start feeling. He's like,
Speaker 1: hey man, we gotta make a character gay. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what do you what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5: He's how.
Speaker 1: This is before this before Yeah, so I was he
Speaker 1: was like how. I was like, how gay? And he's, uh,
Speaker 1: he's I was like, why do we have to make
Speaker 1: it gay. He's like, it's just a lot of white
Speaker 1: people on the shows. We got to find a way
Speaker 1: to mix it up. They made one guy crippled. That
Speaker 1: was the most hilarious. I don't know, but it was
Speaker 1: like they couldn't make us all gay, so like one
Speaker 1: guy gotta be crippled.
Speaker 5: And I was like, why don't.
Speaker 1: You ask I better be limping around this ship than butt,
Speaker 1: you know, so and so guy so so yeah, so
Speaker 1: they made it was crazy, like I had to change
Speaker 1: one of the scripts. It was to one of the guys.
Speaker 5: It got too gay.
Speaker 1: They wanted to get gang bangs like they they had,
Speaker 1: so they had like this one script. I got it
Speaker 1: on the day. They're like, yea, it'd be really funny
Speaker 1: if you were like walking into this room. There's three
Speaker 1: guys behind you, and I was like, man, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what's not y'all taking this daship too far?
Speaker 6: I want you to get the train.
Speaker 1: It was and it was like in the seventies or
Speaker 1: like it was like aids, you know what. I like,
Speaker 1: there was no protection for that ship and now we
Speaker 1: got three different guys ballow me into a bedroom.
Speaker 2: So that was in the script.
Speaker 1: But I was in the script and I was like,
Speaker 1: I ain't doing that ship.
Speaker 5: I was like, so what did you do?
Speaker 1: There's a scene where apparently now like my hands are
Speaker 1: on the wall, and then like Johnny, yeah, but nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't do anything. But the audience is gay for
Speaker 1: thinking about it, y'all. I don't my hands on the wall.
Speaker 2: But all I was simply saying was there was a
Speaker 2: point where Andrew was like, look, I'm gonna go out
Speaker 2: on my own terms.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So if everybody's going this way, I'm gonna make the
Speaker 2: kind of comedy I wanted me and if it works,
Speaker 2: it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: But it ended up working. I did.
Speaker 1: My thing was like I saw a lot of people
Speaker 1: kind of watering down their shit for what the TV
Speaker 1: networks were putting on. And I got empathy for the
Speaker 1: people that work at the networks too, Like you got
Speaker 1: a kid who's in private school, you want to build
Speaker 1: a pool at your house or whatever. You're not trying
Speaker 1: to lose your job because I want to make some
Speaker 1: crazy joke. So but it felt water down, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to change the comedy. So I was like,
Speaker 1: where can I put out the comedy? And honestly, like
Speaker 1: having the pod with Charlott Mane and we're putting out
Speaker 1: like brilliant idiot stuff and we're saying crazy jokes and
Speaker 1: like people really seem to like it, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I think there's an appetite for this shit online. I
Speaker 1: saw your Guys' success, Like just seeing your Guys show
Speaker 1: kill It on YouTube, it just kind of reminded me
Speaker 1: like people are consuming stuff on YouTube, They're consuming high
Speaker 1: quality content long form. You know what if we just
Speaker 1: started putting a stand about there, and I think knowing
Speaker 1: that there was this place for it made me feel
Speaker 1: way more confident. I didn't really care if it was
Speaker 1: like on a network. I just wanted to do the comedy.
Speaker 1: I want to do it and then it worked.
Speaker 2: Man, that was risky because you was giving away your
Speaker 2: bread and butter though, because you're giving up parts of
Speaker 2: your stand up special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: like I was writing so much, you know, back then,
Speaker 1: because I had to go back to the same markets
Speaker 1: every single year. I had to go back to all
Speaker 1: many every single year. So I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: the same jokes from last year, you know, like people
Speaker 1: like that's something like early on, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna waste people's money, you know, every tour. I
Speaker 1: was like, people work hard, they got to get a babysitter,
Speaker 1: like they got it's a whole night, it's dinner. It's
Speaker 1: expensive to come out to a show. So I was like,
Speaker 1: this got to be the best show that they see.
Speaker 1: At least we had attempt to make it. So I
Speaker 1: would have a new set, and then what was I
Speaker 1: doing for the old set? And I put that ship
Speaker 1: out there, and like the jokes would start to go
Speaker 1: over and I was saying, some wild ship and.
Speaker 3: You pissed a lot of people off, and you ever
Speaker 3: got threatened? Yeah, I think Diddy, but you you would
Speaker 3: had a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Were thinking about when he said that, when you hear
Speaker 1: that name, what comes out? Like, what do you think
Speaker 1: the baby behind behind you? I love how much you
Speaker 1: guys to embraced white boyfriend.
Speaker 2: It makes me.
Speaker 1: So happy, Like that's a white boy you guys are
Speaker 1: you guys are the black pioneers A white boyfriend like
Speaker 1: I feel and you know what you know and the
Speaker 1: way he goes too far like you know, white boyfriend
Speaker 1: is no, I'm please, just like straight guys making gay
Speaker 1: jokes with each other.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, that my old job. Yeah that is very
Speaker 6: white exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we just call that gay.
Speaker 1: Well, we call white boyfriend because it's not gay. It's
Speaker 1: two straight guys doing it, okay, yeah, but once there's
Speaker 1: a gay guy involved, then it becomes gay.
Speaker 6: No, So the white boyfriend I experienced at my last job,
Speaker 6: there would be a gay guy involved and it still
Speaker 6: was just oh, this is a great this is fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, but that's what they said in the office.
Speaker 1: But when they left, they were like, yo, they're gay
Speaker 1: for doing that.
Speaker 5: Ship.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that's yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was my first time seeing it. I was like wow,
Speaker 6: and you didn't.
Speaker 1: Know what to think, right, yeah. Yeah, so this is
Speaker 1: like classic you know when white dudes hang out that
Speaker 1: it's all gay jokes. Okay and Mexican shout of Mexican.
Speaker 1: Mexican got good.
Speaker 2: Gay Oh few definitely got Remember on training day with
Speaker 2: a dude was like, you've had your ship pushed in?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that seemed like rape.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was joking about that is
Speaker 2: like a I didn't understand why we wanted that.
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you want him to go go get an animal, bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to clean that out, know? So okay,
Speaker 1: so Mexican gay jokes. No, they never want to eat
Speaker 1: the corn a long way.
Speaker 3: That usually you know, you haven't seen a dude the
Speaker 3: long way.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: Finished my shot.
Speaker 3: When I was asking have you got threatened to a
Speaker 3: point where he was like I got a chill out
Speaker 3: because you anybody anyhow I got I got punched on stage.
Speaker 1: I used to get thrown at me.
Speaker 4: Fight uh not I mean box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to box like I wasn't like but
Speaker 1: I'm not like something like trying to fight everybody tough
Speaker 1: guy at all.
Speaker 6: But box and plates.
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go.
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we're organized and we're in a ring, I'll
Speaker 1: probably fuck you up from the street and ship. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to go do all that, but
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I used to go through through that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff all the time, but I just wasn't
Speaker 1: really funny enough back then. That's the way, you know,
Speaker 1: like you have the ideas, you just don't got the
Speaker 1: skills to execute it. It's not silly enough yet. And
Speaker 1: then eventually I think you could develop the skills and
Speaker 1: then you could say even wilder jokes but in a
Speaker 1: way where people find it kind of funny and sow,
Speaker 1: that's something I.
Speaker 2: Never heard you say. I never heard you say you
Speaker 2: didn't feel like he was funny enough back then.
Speaker 1: As I look back, as I look back, like, you know,
Speaker 1: like there was I was. I had funny jokes, but
Speaker 1: I also just didn't have the skills to execute some
Speaker 1: other ones. So it would just be I just say
Speaker 1: some wild shit and I'm like, yeah, this is funny,
Speaker 1: and then you know, sometimes the jokes are work, and
Speaker 1: then sometimes they just really wouldn't work. But I feel
Speaker 1: like now I'm getting close to a point where even
Speaker 1: if somebody hates the topic I'm talking about, I can
Speaker 1: make it funny enough where they could they could laugh
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 6: You talked about the censorship era being good for comedy
Speaker 6: because it set like certain boundaries.
Speaker 1: Like what not, Yeah, it got to be naughty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But so having those boundaries and then you you
Speaker 6: look back at your old tape, you weren't as funny,
Speaker 6: so you had to develop so you have like there's
Speaker 6: a whole system behind you of like like you sit
Speaker 6: and watch your highlight tapes and you use all of
Speaker 6: that to Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think censorship like in a weird way. I
Speaker 1: don't believe in censorship, but the fact that it exists
Speaker 1: makes you have to be sharper, you know, like if
Speaker 1: you could we're in the air, if you could say
Speaker 1: anything right now, and comedy will probably get a little
Speaker 1: bit more like an absurdist and a reverend because you
Speaker 1: could say anything. So there's nothing that's like too edgy.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? So now comedy usually gets like
Speaker 1: a little like weird and out there, you know, like
Speaker 1: remember that remember Zach Allafanakus Remember him?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: First, yeah, yeah, yeah, Zach's great. That type type of
Speaker 1: comedy where it's not like here's a political take, but
Speaker 1: it's more like he's a character and it's a little weird.
Speaker 1: That type type of comedy gets popular when you could
Speaker 1: say anything and then when you know, censorship comes back.
Speaker 1: Usually the guy's like a Chris Rock.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, just these like historic figures.
Speaker 2: But that's why I think well crafted just that's why
Speaker 2: the Life Specialist actually special, because well crafted jokes have
Speaker 2: to make a comeback now because we live in the
Speaker 2: world where everybody just says, any watch.
Speaker 4: It, but what's the what's the joke? How are you packaging?
Speaker 1: Are you know what I mean? Yes, yeah, And people
Speaker 1: will give you that liberty like if if it's good,
Speaker 1: if the joke is good, they'll let you rock with it,
Speaker 1: even if they don't like the topic or even the opinion.
Speaker 1: They you know, they're they're like, okay, I know what
Speaker 1: you're trying to say. Also, the Life one is just
Speaker 1: like so it's so personal and it's so vulnerable. I
Speaker 1: think I get a little leeway with the other ship.
Speaker 6: I had to watch I had to watch it twice.
Speaker 6: Hold you no, I don't like celebrate it, but okay,
Speaker 6: So the first time I watched it, maybe because it
Speaker 6: was so personal, like I was like, okay, where's the
Speaker 6: fun Like I wasn't laughing at everything. Yeah, but it
Speaker 6: was because I was trying to follow the story. And
Speaker 6: I'm like, wait, like low key you like that was
Speaker 6: that had to be tough for you. And then I
Speaker 6: went back again and I watched it and it was funny,
Speaker 6: and I was like, okay, but I'm like, I don't
Speaker 6: know why I had I've never had to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, the fact that you watch it twice, I
Speaker 1: mean that to me is great. And you know, whatever
Speaker 1: you get out of it, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Did you feel a little bit retarded that you didn't
Speaker 2: get it the first time?
Speaker 6: It wasn't that I didn't get it. I think when
Speaker 6: I because that was my first time ever seeing you
Speaker 6: do stand up and I've heard so much about you,
Speaker 6: I think I instantly just thought I was going to
Speaker 6: be like, oh my god, but I was like, no,
Speaker 6: wait he y'all couldn't have a baby, and there's all
Speaker 6: this stuff that was there. I think my empathy for
Speaker 6: you came in and I didn't find it funny. And
Speaker 6: then the second time the empathy was removed and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: he's funny, but I didn't like, Yeah, I didn't get it,
Speaker 6: but I've never I brought that up because I'm wondering, like,
Speaker 6: is there is that on purpose?
Speaker 1: Well, there's a there's an interesting thing that like, so
Speaker 1: the beginning of the special, I say we had the
Speaker 1: baby specifically for that reason is that I felt like
Speaker 1: the audience would be too concerned to destroy. So if
Speaker 1: you paid attention to the beginning, you might have felt better.
Speaker 6: Well, I did hear that in the beginning, and I
Speaker 6: watched you a brilliant idiot, so I know you had
Speaker 6: the baby, but I think it just felt so heavy
Speaker 6: because you don't necessarily hear men. And you talked about
Speaker 6: this in the special, talking about, okay, we couldn't have
Speaker 6: the baby because it was my fault, like you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like, and I'm like, he's laughing and joking,
Speaker 6: but like, as a man, I can't that. Probably it
Speaker 6: probably still strokes your ego a little bit when you talk.
Speaker 1: About honestly know, like it's it's weird. At first, I
Speaker 1: dealt with it, right, like, so my sperm, my sperm
Speaker 1: doesn't swim. That's like the issue that I talk And.
Speaker 6: There I heard the joke that Tailor dropped.
Speaker 1: To what Taylor killed me. She said yeah, because we
Speaker 1: I beat her in a race, and then I was
Speaker 1: saying something to her. She was like, yeah, I run
Speaker 1: fast in Your sperm.
Speaker 2: Was bad and nobody knew it. We knew at the
Speaker 2: time when he was the people.
Speaker 6: Yes, I remember.
Speaker 5: So it was like that tough room over there.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was brutal, but the joke was fantastic,
Speaker 1: like you got to keep it in so uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like when when I thought it was my
Speaker 1: wife's fault, which is what every guy thinks that's going
Speaker 1: through fertility ship is I felt uncomfortable talking about on
Speaker 1: stage because that's like her very deep personal business and
Speaker 1: a lot of women feel incredibly insecure right about that, Right,
Speaker 1: it makes him fee less of a woman, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 1: Once I found out it was my fault, I remember
Speaker 1: the doctor said. I was like, what's the deal. The
Speaker 1: doctor was like, uh, your sperm swims like uh Drew
Speaker 1: ski and a riptide.
Speaker 6: They said you were a C C.
Speaker 1: Plus, which I feel like he just said the plus
Speaker 1: so I could feel better about myself, which was nice
Speaker 1: of him. But immediately after that, I start going, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is wrong with me? Like why you know
Speaker 1: like does God not want me to have kids? Like
Speaker 1: it's like you have like this really weird like weak.
Speaker 1: And then once we decide to go through the I
Speaker 1: actually want to like beat the system. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I think I could do it anyway. Like I got
Speaker 1: like really competitive. And then every time that we would
Speaker 1: try my and it didn't work, my wife would like
Speaker 1: cry and I felt like it was really selfish if
Speaker 1: we just didn't go through this other process. Second we
Speaker 1: went with the other process, I felt really comfortable talking
Speaker 1: about it on stage. Like actually, once I found out
Speaker 1: it was me, felt comfortable talking about the stage because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like my wife's issue and I'm like exposing
Speaker 1: her like deep dark secret. And when I started talking
Speaker 1: about on the stage, man, the amount of people that
Speaker 1: would like come up to me and send me these dms,
Speaker 1: like these beautiful things about like what they're going through
Speaker 1: and I actually IVF and like eventually having kids and
Speaker 1: like you really get to see how I think we
Speaker 1: talk so much about how people are trying to avoid
Speaker 1: kids or they're upset that they got a girl pregnant,
Speaker 1: and there's like all this like negativity around kids. When
Speaker 1: you talk to IVF couples you are or are talking
Speaker 1: to the people that face the reality they might never
Speaker 1: bring life into this world. And then, by the grace
Speaker 1: of God, we're able to see this thing that they've
Speaker 1: cherished and maybe we're trying to make for years. So
Speaker 1: you have the most gratitude for your child? Yes, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. It's like you see the way that people
Speaker 1: react and how emotional they get about their children, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you get this, just this beautiful. And then
Speaker 1: the people who had kids and it was kind of
Speaker 1: easy for them. They'll send me these messages about like
Speaker 1: the gratitude they have for their kids, and they didn't
Speaker 1: realize it, you know, they it was kind of lucky
Speaker 1: for them. So yeah, it was. It was really it
Speaker 1: was a really cool thing that I did not expect.
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be the only one
Speaker 1: going through this shit.
Speaker 3: It's a tight knit community, like most people don't necessarily realize.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I got six kids, so the first four big them out.
Speaker 3: God, we were trying to have the fifth one and
Speaker 3: we couldn't get pregnant, so.
Speaker 5: We tried IVF.
Speaker 3: Oh really, we tried IVF for it because insurance didn't
Speaker 3: cover it with as expensive as a well. The effort
Speaker 3: to the point when when we had the powerhouse concerts
Speaker 3: up pair, I would have to give my.
Speaker 5: Wife the shot because you have to give her a
Speaker 5: shot at a certainty.
Speaker 1: You gotta make it. It's like a cocktail.
Speaker 4: Yes, I had to make it at home.
Speaker 1: They're giving you syringes.
Speaker 3: So in the middle of the concert, I'm in the
Speaker 3: back doing the shot, this, that, and the other, and
Speaker 3: it still didn't work.
Speaker 5: So we was like we took it as well. Maybe
Speaker 5: God said four is enough.
Speaker 4: But at least you had four.
Speaker 2: Imagine the one that to have zero, but it just
Speaker 2: got one.
Speaker 5: It happened, happened bro naturally, which was the craziest thing ever.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's the stress, Like I know, it's the most
Speaker 1: it's the dumbest thing you guys probably. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know about this just because all the mental health stuff
Speaker 1: you do. But like the way that your brain can
Speaker 1: play tricks on your body that you got you put
Speaker 1: so much pressure on, like having a kid and your
Speaker 1: body reacts negatively like that. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who try IVF it works and then the next
Speaker 1: kid they have naturally and it's just your body goes
Speaker 1: all right, this kid time, Like, now you're not so stressed.
Speaker 1: You got one, and that might be it. You guys
Speaker 1: went all right, you know, if we're supposed to have four,
Speaker 1: that's what we're supposed to have. Forget it, and then
Speaker 1: you stop trying and immediately bang.
Speaker 5: Two more, two more.
Speaker 2: The women that don't have kids, imagine how they would
Speaker 2: feel if they knew how many abortions certain women got.
Speaker 1: Bro When I was going through this, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even understand who gets abortions? Yeah, like I was,
Speaker 1: it was so hard for us to get pregnant. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that it was about like my sperm
Speaker 1: or her eggs. I was like, who's getting abortion? Like,
Speaker 1: how is this possible? Once I knew, Yeah, I saw it,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a deeper.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you spoke about it because so many people
Speaker 3: dealing with it. Like we talked about in the book
Speaker 3: that when you do it, so many people hit you.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised and it's the last taboo thing and
Speaker 1: people are so and secure about it because you don't
Speaker 1: want your partner to be embarrassed. So like, if I'm
Speaker 1: telling you it was easier that it was me if
Speaker 1: it was my wife's ovaries. I don't think i'd ever
Speaker 1: talk about it because it could be humiliating for women.
Speaker 1: For dudes, yes, it humilion for me, but like as
Speaker 1: a comedian, I think I'm a little like I find
Speaker 1: the joy in that humiliation. Yeah, it's just it's easy
Speaker 1: for me to deal with. And but I'll tell you
Speaker 1: after talking about it and seeing all the other people
Speaker 1: going through it, it's like, yeah, that's why. Honestly, when
Speaker 1: we had Trump on, there was like three things that
Speaker 1: I want to ask him, and one of them I
Speaker 1: wanted him to say publicly that he would he would
Speaker 1: protect IVF.
Speaker 5: So let's talk about that. How did you meet Trump?
Speaker 5: How did you all get the like how are yall
Speaker 5: to get this?
Speaker 1: They reached out and they were like do you want
Speaker 1: to have them on? And we're like, yeah, we want
Speaker 1: to do in the studio And then they were like,
Speaker 1: we can't do it in the studio. Like you know,
Speaker 1: Seanman knows. It's like it's a you guarantee the assassination.
Speaker 1: It's like windows everywhere. It's like I don't even know why.
Speaker 4: We were trying.
Speaker 1: Like you walk right out the elevator, it's windows everywhere.
Speaker 1: It says bad but uh right, like you know, I
Speaker 1: hope that doesn't happen, but you know so, but we
Speaker 1: were really pushing for that. And then and then when
Speaker 1: we did the pod, Yeah, I like spoke to his
Speaker 1: kid for a while before and I spoke to Dana White,
Speaker 1: which one junior junior, and I was like, yeah, just
Speaker 1: tell me some stories, and like I just kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to say again the party.
Speaker 6: You talked about the party.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so he told me about that one. He
Speaker 1: told me, Yeah, yeah, there's a part I didn't say
Speaker 1: on the interview, but uh, because I said he just
Speaker 1: went up to the roof and kicked everybody out. But
Speaker 1: like what Junior told me is he was in his underwear.
Speaker 1: So like just imagine and imagine Trump Trump underwear Junior.
Speaker 6: For the people who haven't seen the interview, Schultz in
Speaker 6: the group they talk about Donald Trump Junior had like
Speaker 6: a huge yeah. And then they had a third body
Speaker 6: out because Trump found out about the party.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, he wasn't supposed to be back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was supposed to be back. It was kind
Speaker 6: of something on like a movie my dad comes home,
Speaker 6: but he like never mentions it. So Trump Junior is
Speaker 6: like almost like it didn't happen exactly. Know, he was
Speaker 6: in his under so that party got real crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the first time he addressed it in
Speaker 1: like forty years or something like that. He never addressed
Speaker 1: it with his kid.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a guy in this room, a young
Speaker 2: black male, who said he watched Trump on flagrant. He goes, yo,
Speaker 2: he goes that flaggerant interview is gonna get Trump elected.
Speaker 1: That guy that you're talking about, he's been magging for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 4: He was waiting for that moment.
Speaker 6: I felt the same way. That was the first time
Speaker 6: I looked at him as like a person. I was like,
Speaker 6: why am I like? I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: he's a granddad. He cares about his kids. But it
Speaker 6: was like y'all made him. He was having a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That and the commercial where another young black guy in
Speaker 3: this room did a commercial that Trump he was and
Speaker 3: played over.
Speaker 1: I met that who made that commercial over.
Speaker 5: And over again.
Speaker 4: You know what he said, Yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Was like, hey, thanks, Charlotte Mane really helped us out.
Speaker 1: I mean that commercial was unbelievable. That really crazy that
Speaker 1: the election was decided in this room. Right now.
Speaker 2: We don't get.
Speaker 6: Enough credit, But do you get that response from people
Speaker 6: don't like, yo, I'll humanize somebody that like we low
Speaker 6: key even when he got shot, felt like people were like, oh,
Speaker 6: we don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: But so what I'd say to people, and I have
Speaker 1: like a way more humble take than I think most like.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we had any impact on the election.
Speaker 1: I don't think that any of the podcasts like I
Speaker 1: think that America. I think what America had decided is
Speaker 1: a lot of America weren't voting for Trump. They were
Speaker 1: rejecting the current administration. They just didn't like what was happening.
Speaker 1: And I think the way that the current administration was campaigning,
Speaker 1: they're basically kind of saying, Hey, everything's good, We're gonna
Speaker 1: kind of keep doing this. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: Americans were like, I don't really feel like it's good,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go for anything but this. But I
Speaker 1: think the idea of Trump is always he's a populist,
Speaker 1: So if you vote for him, it means you love
Speaker 1: him and you're obsessed with him and your maggot till
Speaker 1: you die. Where I think a lot of it is
Speaker 1: really just rejection in the same way that when people
Speaker 1: voted for Biden, they didn't really vote for Biden. They
Speaker 1: voted against the chaos of Trump.
Speaker 2: And the chaos of the world at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was COVID, it was George Floyd. But also we
Speaker 2: talk about this America had his mind made up for
Speaker 2: two years that they were voting for Trump. We knew that. Like,
Speaker 2: it's not like we knew that we were saying that,
Speaker 2: we were saying Biden needed to step down because we
Speaker 2: knew Biden wasn't gonna win November. It wasn't until the
Speaker 2: vice president, you know, became the nominee that it was like, okay,
Speaker 2: well maybe maybe maybe there.
Speaker 4: Is another option, but everybody knew it's not.
Speaker 5: So what do you think about everything that Trump's doing now?
Speaker 1: Well, what specifically?
Speaker 3: There's a whole lot that I mean, there's so many orders.
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, I think it was Megan Kelly, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the Yeah, the Gulf of America. I mean
Speaker 1: it's North America, Central America, South America. Why we call
Speaker 1: it the Gulf of Mexico. It should feel like the
Speaker 1: Gulf of America. It's not the Gulf of North America.
Speaker 1: It's just the Gulf of America. But again, what I
Speaker 1: like is just like I like saying audacious shit. I'm
Speaker 1: an American, like Americans in general, like in our DNA,
Speaker 1: where like we like risk takers and we like people
Speaker 1: who are brave. And I think that's like the tricky
Speaker 1: thing for Democrats right now. And keep in mind, I'm
Speaker 1: like a lifelong Democrat. I grew up in an arts family.
Speaker 1: Both my parents were dance teachers, like I live in
Speaker 1: New York City my whole life. So what I need
Speaker 1: is some energy on the Democratics side. We talk about
Speaker 1: this all the time, is I need some like shit talk.
Speaker 1: I need some bodacious shit talk. And I think the
Speaker 1: thing that really Americans care about right now is that
Speaker 1: it's it's things are expensive, and I think Democrats need
Speaker 1: their build the wall and whatever that is. It has
Speaker 1: to happen to what people are struggling with right now.
Speaker 2: So if they first have to build a team, well exactly, but.
Speaker 1: Yo, it could just be one outsider, like like I
Speaker 1: think it's dollar eggs, Like eggs are a dollar. I
Speaker 1: think you just start saying shit like that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you don't know how to do it, but
Speaker 1: you start saying something that's going to resonate with people,
Speaker 1: and that's the only way. And I think that if
Speaker 1: they make it a class issue, they win this election
Speaker 1: pretty easily come the next election. But they're afraid to
Speaker 1: do that because a lot of them are in the pockets
Speaker 1: of the billionaire class and the corporations. So they make
Speaker 1: it about identity politics. They it's all these people that
Speaker 1: go to like Harvard and Yale that like pretend to
Speaker 1: give a fuck about you guys. They don't actually give
Speaker 1: a fuck about you guys, but they get patted on
Speaker 1: the back for pretending to do it. And now they're
Speaker 1: in this situation where the rest of America's like I
Speaker 1: can't afford eggs, so I can't really care about the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Like I don't give a fuck about who goes in
Speaker 1: the bathroom because I needed buy eggs. Until I can
Speaker 1: buy eggs, I don't worry about the bathroom. So you
Speaker 1: got to start addressing people where their problems are.
Speaker 2: And you know what's proven that point when you look
Speaker 2: at like Gavin Newsom on his podcast with Charlie Kirk right.
Speaker 1: He wants to so bad bro the motherfuckers, which.
Speaker 2: Exactly, but you see how quick he is to distance
Speaker 2: himself from trans athletes and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So now it's like, oh so you never cared.
Speaker 1: No, they never cared.
Speaker 2: You never gave a buck.
Speaker 4: It was just all about politics for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's not about that for all politicians.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but some people show it better than others. Some
Speaker 2: people act like they care better than others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to learn how to lie better.
Speaker 2: And I don't think Democrats are going to win so
Speaker 2: easily in twenty twenty eight. I think that America. I
Speaker 2: think because the Democrats are in such disarray, America will say,
Speaker 2: you know what, just give me a sensible Republican. Just
Speaker 2: give me a traditional conservative. Yeah, give you a nicky Haley,
Speaker 2: just somebody, just a regular conservative. I can deal with that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that could definitely happen. There just
Speaker 1: has to be something like like radical and disruptive on
Speaker 1: the Democrats side. And I think that they're also concerned.
Speaker 1: They're playing this like prevent defense, and they're really concerned
Speaker 1: about like ostracizing a group, Like if I say this,
Speaker 1: will women be upset? If I say this, will black
Speaker 1: people will be upset if I say this, will trans
Speaker 1: be upset. And it's actually like a harder position to
Speaker 1: be in to be a Democrat. You're the party of progress.
Speaker 1: You have to push shit.
Speaker 2: Forward and you got to please everybody.
Speaker 1: You want to please everybody, which is impossible. Conservatives are
Speaker 1: actually trying to pull shit back. It's a way easier
Speaker 1: position to be in to be like, all right, we
Speaker 1: went too far forward. But I think what Democrats need
Speaker 1: to do is just start listening to every day working
Speaker 1: class people. I don't like. I think Democrats are too
Speaker 1: stuck in the ivy league. It's just too much like
Speaker 1: pretentious finger wagon. That's not what every day Americans are.
Speaker 1: And you need to get the working class back immediately.
Speaker 1: And you're not going to get that back when you
Speaker 1: just got a bunch of these like super rich NEPO
Speaker 1: babies telling poor people how they should think and who
Speaker 1: should they should vote for. Like, I don't want you
Speaker 1: to tell me if you never had a job, you
Speaker 1: can't tell me who I should vote for.
Speaker 4: Simple as that you like Davin Crockett though, I love
Speaker 4: that girl.
Speaker 1: Like that's the type of language that I want to start.
Speaker 1: I want to I want people to start using like
Speaker 1: when she said your Putin's hoe, I don't care. I
Speaker 1: don't agree with that sentiment actually to night, but I
Speaker 1: like the I like the energy. Because what people like
Speaker 1: about Trump despite him being like a billionaire who got
Speaker 1: money from his dad, right, he doesn't talk like them.
Speaker 1: He talks like me and you. The Indian journalist is
Speaker 1: asking him a question, dibble dabble, dibble dabble, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, dibble dabble, dibble dabble, and then
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know what the hell that guy
Speaker 1: just said. That to me is the most relatable thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire life. I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I would have said. That's what he would
Speaker 1: have said. That's what you would have said if we
Speaker 1: were just hanging around on the corner talking.
Speaker 3: So you like Trump because you don't feel like it's political.
Speaker 3: He's just himself.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not saying the reason why I
Speaker 1: like him. I'm saying the reason why people relate to
Speaker 1: him despite him being a billionaire. Because that's the thing
Speaker 1: Democrats don't seem to understand. They're like, they say that
Speaker 1: we're in the pockets of the rich, but there's a
Speaker 1: rich guy right there. Why do they relate to him?
Speaker 1: It's like, do you see how he talks to people.
Speaker 1: He called Shorty Pocahontas in the middle of the the
Speaker 1: Senate here, yo.
Speaker 4: And you know we're sitting right there.
Speaker 2: It's been normalized so much that that wasn't even a headline.
Speaker 2: Nobody sit there and take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pocon's over here pointed.
Speaker 4: At Nobody cared talking about a little bit more. It
Speaker 4: wasn't even a headline. Nobody gave what He's.
Speaker 1: Making fun of African nations. He's like, we gave forty
Speaker 1: million to the Lessoto. Nobody knows what that is. That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Like it that I didn't know what it was either.
Speaker 2: I was that a real nation.
Speaker 6: It was running down and stuff at the city. I
Speaker 6: thought that that was all jokes.
Speaker 5: That was real.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Would have said, that's a male contract. We need I
Speaker 1: need that vibranium.
Speaker 3: I want to ask too, because you talking about walking
Speaker 3: the line, you walk a dope line because you have.
Speaker 5: White fan base and black fan base. Is that difficult
Speaker 5: for you?
Speaker 1: I got wall I said, I got.
Speaker 5: Your jokes, go everywhere with it.
Speaker 1: I got the most diverse audience in comedy. It's not
Speaker 1: even close. Like it's just like you come to my show,
Speaker 1: it looks like the un So it's like it's like
Speaker 1: to me, it's in my experience, in my life. I'm
Speaker 1: a pretty curious guy. So like, if I find out
Speaker 1: something about your culture, where you're from, whatever, I like
Speaker 1: talking about it, and I'm going to make jokes about
Speaker 1: just because that's my way of communicating the world. What
Speaker 1: I found is is like when you make fun of
Speaker 1: people based on things that they're proud of or they
Speaker 1: haven't realized about themselves, they don't feel offended. They feel
Speaker 1: kind of seen, they feel noticed, and they appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So all these different groups will start coming out to shows,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, oh, this is really
Speaker 1: fucking cool. And when you ever, whenever it comes out
Speaker 1: to the show, we all kind of submit to this
Speaker 1: idea like everybody's gonna be made fun of, we all
Speaker 1: gonna laugh at each other, We're gonna laugh at ourselves,
Speaker 1: and it's a cool, little beautiful thing. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's never been like like black people found out about
Speaker 1: me before white people, Like I'm doing brilliantaires with him
Speaker 1: like Guy Code. To be honest, black people were on
Speaker 1: way before white people. I mean, eventually towards the end
Speaker 1: seasons a Guy Code, I think it like just crossed over.
Speaker 1: But early on MTV two was more like hip hop related. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I think Rogan, I think white people started
Speaker 1: to find me, and then like you know, Indians found me.
Speaker 1: Obviously I do the pop with Akas, but also some
Speaker 1: stand up clips that would go viral out there. Albanians
Speaker 1: would when we've seen me from some clip, and like
Speaker 1: all these different groups would come out and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing of looking out in the audience. But
Speaker 1: I used to go to comedy clubs when I was
Speaker 1: on tour and the the owners would be like because
Speaker 1: it would be all black people for the weekend, and
Speaker 1: they would think I was like Gary Owen or something
Speaker 1: like that. They were like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 4: I never called you like, man, what's the secret?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: How do you get white people to about?
Speaker 6: What about? Because you said when people you make people
Speaker 6: feel good because they feel seen, But what about in
Speaker 6: the moments where you're making people like things that they
Speaker 6: people don't want to be seen for. You're bringing that
Speaker 6: up and there upset, Like I know black women was
Speaker 6: really upset at you for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would say that they're upset for like
Speaker 1: a joke that I tried to make on the pod
Speaker 1: and like the problem with the pod. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love Pod, don't get me wrong. It's like it's not
Speaker 1: really jokes. It's just like mounds of clay. A joke
Speaker 1: on stage is like a statue. You know, you've like
Speaker 1: molded it, carved it.
Speaker 2: Like you can't work out on the pod.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be it's probably And like, so like what I always
Speaker 1: say to people is like, first of all, if like
Speaker 1: I'm making a joke, I'm like teasing you about something, right,
Speaker 1: and you go to me, Hey, that kind of makes
Speaker 1: me feel ucomfortable. I'm never gonna tease you again because
Speaker 1: I don't want you to be uncomfortable about that thing.
Speaker 5: Tell the man you're comfortable.
Speaker 6: You care about. That's not.
Speaker 1: What period that's her real hair.
Speaker 6: Scout baby, Oh my god, that's beautiful period at over there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you looking at? Over there?
Speaker 2: Looking at nothing got you?
Speaker 1: But so what I'm saying is like I would never
Speaker 1: like if I if I have a joke where I'm
Speaker 1: just like teasing you forever, and you're like, hey, that
Speaker 1: actually makes me feel comfortable. Like, my goal is not
Speaker 1: to make you feel comfortable, so I'll never tease you
Speaker 1: about that. Again. That doesn't mean I won't tease other
Speaker 1: people about that, but to you specifically, I want So
Speaker 1: if there's somebody at a comedy show and she like
Speaker 1: they're upset about something, here's a perfect example. Girl at
Speaker 1: a comedy show. I was saying some joke about some topic.
Speaker 1: I forget exactly what is. She gets up and starts
Speaker 1: to walk out right this is a little comedy club,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, where are you going? And
Speaker 1: she's like, I just, uh just got to step out.
Speaker 1: I go why, and she's like, I just I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to make it about me.
Speaker 1: I go, man, what's the deal. She says, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just like the topic. And some of the people in
Speaker 1: the audience start to like boo her for being like
Speaker 1: like offended or whatever, and I go, yo.
Speaker 4: No, don't boo her.
Speaker 1: She's doing what we all wish an audience member would do.
Speaker 1: She's going, hey, I feel uncomfortable. I don't want to
Speaker 1: affect everybody else's time here. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: this show about me. I'm just gonna step out and
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, Like, you're just like the most emotionally
Speaker 1: intelligent person in the room right there. I don't ever
Speaker 1: want to make her fee uncomfortable. So one on one,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: stop joking around about a whole idea just because it
Speaker 1: makes one person uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I used to watch go to Paul Mooney shows. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, people would walk out of Paul Mooney shows
Speaker 2: all the time. And it was always white people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they would always leave. They was offended, like I'm leaving,
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't make no noise about it. They would
Speaker 2: just get up and leave, and Paul would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: why are you leaving? Nah, it's not for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the perfect thing.
Speaker 4: If it's not for you, it's not for you, be
Speaker 4: out exactly.
Speaker 1: But there might be someone who finds it funny. So
Speaker 1: that's the trigger thing where it's like one individual shouldn't
Speaker 1: decide what everybody finds funny. But in terms of the
Speaker 1: thing you were talking about, like, yeah, if black women
Speaker 1: are upset at that thing that said, yeah, you're totally
Speaker 1: allowed to be upset. There's this rule that, like a
Speaker 1: lot of comics say, like people aren't allowed to be offended.
Speaker 1: You allowed to feel however you want to feel, especially
Speaker 1: if you don't know me, Like if you know me,
Speaker 1: you know my attentions, you're like, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to bust balls and like make a fucking stupid joke.
Speaker 1: And maybe the joke wasn't that funny, but like, my
Speaker 1: intentions are always good. If you don't know me, you
Speaker 1: just see it, You're like, oh, what fuck is this asshole?
Speaker 1: So I'm not even upset at your response?
Speaker 6: Like that was my first take, And then we talked
Speaker 6: about it in the room, like me and Charlotte, because
Speaker 6: my first sake was like, well, who is he to
Speaker 6: even like you're welcome, things were welcoming you here.
Speaker 1: Ye be a guess, but well it's my thought.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, but just in our world of
Speaker 6: like black women and what we deal with as fred
Speaker 6: as tropes. But I will say, after watching a special
Speaker 6: and after you know, having conversations with Charlat, I'm like,
Speaker 6: I mean, a joke is a joke as a joke,
Speaker 6: like Granted, some people are still gonna be upset. They
Speaker 6: probably be upset that I just said that, But it
Speaker 6: depends on the person and you can't win. You got
Speaker 6: to figure out where you wo line you going to trade.
Speaker 1: I also think those those two dudes from the thing,
Speaker 1: like they're in a tricky situation because, like they I
Speaker 1: think they had said that they didn't find women Atlanta attractive,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of black women in Atlanta
Speaker 1: were like, oh shit, are you trying to say you
Speaker 1: don't like black women? Right?
Speaker 6: They don't get me started on them. They came out
Speaker 6: and apologized down. Okay, they gave like five renditions of
Speaker 6: an apology, and they can still stay where they're at.
Speaker 6: And I think, but I.
Speaker 1: Think if people see you sells, like you know some
Speaker 1: sellouts when you see them, so it's not like it's
Speaker 1: it's so they're trying to like position it. They try
Speaker 1: to put it on me, and some people fell for
Speaker 1: the bait, like Ryan Clark felt for the bait and
Speaker 1: like made a whole like cloud moment out of it
Speaker 1: when he didn't even realize, Like, the thing you should
Speaker 1: be addressing is the two clowns that are basically saying
Speaker 1: black women are ugly and then laughing at the joke
Speaker 1: on the other podcast, So it's like that's the issue,
Speaker 1: not the comedian making a joke about the hypothetical situation.
Speaker 6: Well, we can move on after this. I will argue
Speaker 6: that all of you guys were a part of the
Speaker 6: problem in that moment, but I think again it's to
Speaker 6: each his own. I didn't like though, that they threw
Speaker 6: it one way and didn't take accountability for the fact that, like,
Speaker 6: y'all were actively engaged and it's fine if you wanted
Speaker 6: to do that. On oh, they were like, we should have,
Speaker 6: we should We were uncomfortable. We just didn't want to
Speaker 6: say anything in the moment. We were just trying to
Speaker 6: get through. And it's like, y'all want to y'all were
Speaker 6: not victims, y'all. Y'all were actively engaged. Just shut up.
Speaker 6: Y'all were actively engaged. Y'all were having a good time.
Speaker 1: They're not uncomfortable. The only time they're uncomfortable is around
Speaker 1: beautiful black women.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 4: Damn, that is a good question.
Speaker 2: How have podcasting changed the way you approach I guess
Speaker 2: comedy and after you know, these couple of recent situations,
Speaker 2: the situation. I needs the situation I saw, but how
Speaker 2: it approached, how you discussed things.
Speaker 1: You know, your cares like an interesting one. Like I
Speaker 1: guess I could deal with people not liking me because
Speaker 1: these things a lot of times are momentarily like they'll
Speaker 1: they'll not like you for a few weeks and they
Speaker 1: think they won't like you then to move on to
Speaker 1: somebody else that they don't like, et cetera. So that's
Speaker 1: not really like the big, big issue, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just a It is one of those things where I go, like,
Speaker 1: all right, if I'm if I'm shooting and it's on
Speaker 1: something like if it's on something really wild, I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that I could ideally that shot is
Speaker 1: is amazing, you know, but I'm gonna fail, Like you
Speaker 1: don't make funny jokes every single time, and I and
Speaker 1: I like shooting. That means I'm gonna shoot and miss
Speaker 1: a lot, you know. But I just got to basically
Speaker 1: understand that, like they are gonna be people that don't
Speaker 1: know me, and however they interpret me. I can't control that.
Speaker 1: Like there are people that think I'm like some right
Speaker 1: wing maga lunatic, and I I literally as much as
Speaker 1: I would want them to be like, Bro, you've never
Speaker 1: had a conversation with me, Like you don't know anything
Speaker 1: about my life, Like you just people exactly. So it's
Speaker 1: like you can't control how people how people feel about you,
Speaker 1: and you just have to continue, at least in my opinion,
Speaker 1: just put out good art. And when I have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to put out like a good piece of art,
Speaker 1: like hopefully the Special does that, Like hopefully you see
Speaker 1: the more distilled version. We were talking about this yesterday,
Speaker 1: Like you know, when he puts out a book, it's
Speaker 1: the most distilled version of his thoughts and there's less
Speaker 1: fat for you to interpret in a shitty way. When
Speaker 1: I'm on a pod just shooting ship. There's tons of
Speaker 1: fat for you to interpret. When you see The Special,
Speaker 1: I feel like you get a really distilled version of
Speaker 1: like how I think and how I feel. If you
Speaker 1: get offended by something in The Special, I could really
Speaker 1: live with that because I've worked hard to make it
Speaker 1: pierce through, even like the sharpest armor for the most
Speaker 1: protective armor.
Speaker 5: No, I do get that. I do also want to ask,
Speaker 5: do you still want to make love to Kendrick Lamar?
Speaker 1: I mean, like, honestly, it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: No to that.
Speaker 5: You find him a jacke.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, did you see him in the jean?
Speaker 1: When I saw those jeans, I was like, boom boom,
Speaker 1: bom boot that was a joke. That shit raises him
Speaker 1: so fast. I'm just saying, he's little, like I hate
Speaker 1: having to explain jokes. He's adye baty, So why is
Speaker 1: he telling he's gonna kill my telling people to kill
Speaker 1: my friends. The biggest thing about this whole shit that
Speaker 1: nobody I didn't even cared that he said this shit
Speaker 1: about like me. Not saying jokes like that to me
Speaker 1: is like a million people who said not say jokes.
Speaker 1: The next line where he goes into the m words
Speaker 1: that Koon and the Edwards being groomed, slide on both
Speaker 1: of them. What a slide mean to y'all?
Speaker 6: Take you out? But that's because I'm hold on.
Speaker 1: I ain't no explaining him. If you say kill my friends,
Speaker 1: everything after that is fine. You took it there if
Speaker 1: you say kill my friends, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought that was Charlemagne and alex Media. So if you
Speaker 1: go the next line you tell your fans to kill
Speaker 1: my friends, you.
Speaker 4: Getting made love to listen.
Speaker 2: I appreciate my friend trying to stick up for me,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he was talking about I.
Speaker 1: Don't think about but I'm exposed to know, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I didn't say anything for weeks.
Speaker 1: That was the other thing, Like people ran with these
Speaker 1: different narratives. They tried to act like after what I said,
Speaker 1: I was worried about like getting death threats and shit.
Speaker 1: It's like no, I was getting at the second they
Speaker 1: said it for two weeks sensation shit, I filed my
Speaker 1: special I don't really give a fuck. And then after
Speaker 1: that I was like, Yo, we're gonna have some fun
Speaker 1: with this. But I don't like this idea that like
Speaker 1: I'm this big bully. It's like you told your people
Speaker 1: to kill my friends after you say that, or that's
Speaker 1: the potential interpretation if somebody said in a rap song
Speaker 1: to kill your friends.
Speaker 6: But do you understand though, that that that was in
Speaker 6: response to him feeling like you came at what he
Speaker 6: would deem his friends or his people or people he's
Speaker 6: trying to protect. Talking about they.
Speaker 1: Make fun of my friends.
Speaker 6: But if you in the street, if you outside, you outside,
Speaker 6: you can't choose whether you out or in. It's like
Speaker 6: you out or you in?
Speaker 1: Okay, So then if he wants to play by those rules,
Speaker 1: then don't be surprised at the response. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It feels like he's inside and outside.
Speaker 2: Plus it's a weird matchup, right, because you got a rapper, right,
Speaker 2: who's a prolific rapper, and then you got a comedian
Speaker 2: who's to say anything for the joke. So it's not
Speaker 2: even just like what are we doing here?
Speaker 6: I think it's because it's platform and it's like people
Speaker 6: listen to you and your voice and your podcast. That's
Speaker 6: why that that's why that stuff went so viral, because
Speaker 6: you got the numbers and then he has it too.
Speaker 6: So at the moment he's like, okay, you.
Speaker 4: Know you want to talk about Gary Owes.
Speaker 6: That's that's a good point. Nobody, we don't know. I'm
Speaker 6: not about moment, you know exactly what he was talking
Speaker 6: about because I heard, and I knew exactly what I
Speaker 6: think it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was me. I was like, why
Speaker 1: are we talking about me?
Speaker 6: Because of the ships and giggles and all the laughs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he was talking about math. He got to
Speaker 1: be kept saying he was talking about me. And I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, if he's talking about me and is
Speaker 1: he telling people to kill my friends? Well, I got
Speaker 1: to do something about that.
Speaker 4: I got to do something.
Speaker 1: I gotta do something, like I'm not a tough guy,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a certified lover boy.
Speaker 2: But you're always going to be perceived as the bully
Speaker 2: because you're a white man.
Speaker 5: Is that right?
Speaker 4: I just thought that, right, like me, I thought you
Speaker 4: mean that right?
Speaker 2: No? No, what you mean? No?
Speaker 1: Like, am I am I bully? Like I just thought
Speaker 1: it was like you a bully. The size differential, that's
Speaker 1: what I thought. No, it's a it's a you think
Speaker 1: there's a racial dynamic. Duh, Yeah, I guess I didn't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course. And it's the it's the privileged conversation.
Speaker 6: It's like what you can get on the plat, like
Speaker 6: the ships and giggles. Guys they had done sixty times.
Speaker 2: You know, you said something is not as interesting. You said,
Speaker 2: it's the privileged conversation. You know, we all can say
Speaker 2: whatever it is we want to say. You just got
Speaker 2: to be able to deal with the consequences.
Speaker 6: White most people can't exactly, and most people don't have
Speaker 6: the platform, and they're not they're not teflon down like you.
Speaker 6: They don't have fifteen years a game. They not picked
Speaker 6: up by Fox News and seeing it and shaved room
Speaker 6: like you other other people.
Speaker 5: Right list is a political.
Speaker 6: You know that you just want to hear just.
Speaker 1: He's got a guy with glasses and a bow tie.
Speaker 1: Listen his podcast Way for Charlotte made to say one
Speaker 1: bad thing about the Democrats.
Speaker 2: If we don't even think about stuff like that.
Speaker 6: But but it's the truth, though, because you have a
Speaker 6: platform that a lot of other people don't have. Kendrick
Speaker 6: Lamar has a platform. So he's like, all right, bet
Speaker 6: you're gonna get outside, you're gonna laugh, jokey, I'm outsorry
Speaker 6: for my women. Front of the Black Woman.
Speaker 2: It's lucid Kendrick, because Kendrick does what he wants to
Speaker 2: do and he gets rewarded.
Speaker 4: For it, like you can do that.
Speaker 1: This whole thing got blown out of purport. Like honestly,
Speaker 1: I think he's like obviously a prolific rapper. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's it's not my the thing that I listened to
Speaker 1: all the time. But like to say, he's not like
Speaker 1: fantastic at what he does is ridiculous and I have
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for anybody that puts something out
Speaker 1: for judgment. I think there are a lot of people who, like,
Speaker 1: they just make reaction content, right, so they don't really
Speaker 1: know what it's like to like create a piece of
Speaker 1: art and put it out there in the world and
Speaker 1: let the world judge it.
Speaker 6: You have to deal with that.
Speaker 1: That takes balls, and I admire people that have balls.
Speaker 4: Trump's trades, executive orders, what he do.
Speaker 1: He got rid of trance, he got rid of trans
Speaker 1: what women, They're not around anymore. But that is that
Speaker 1: is Yeah, that is how it is. Isn't that how
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 6: Every day shine but the sun still come up.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I think there are trans people.
Speaker 5: No, there are, but yeah, just recognize him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that he's allowed to, like, you can't force
Speaker 1: me to recognize.
Speaker 4: He's allowed to not believe. But that don't mean that
Speaker 4: it's not true.
Speaker 1: I was watching squid Game. If they didn't have the numbers,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm recognizing you know what, if
Speaker 1: they didn't number them, I don't know if I'm recognizing everyone.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: right now. Listen, let me apologize before an Asian rapper
Speaker 1: comes from me. Jen, I'm sorry, hits, get what you.
Speaker 6: Mean by the numbers?
Speaker 2: And oh god, no ever watch comedy, to watch watch comedy,
Speaker 2: let her watch comedy.
Speaker 5: Wait back to your special.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was thinking, and I know you and your
Speaker 6: wife have been together for some years, so it's like
Speaker 6: a hypothetical question for or more of an ego question.
Speaker 6: I look at any point when that was happening and
Speaker 6: you found out that it was your fault because of
Speaker 6: you know, just your pride and your ego being hurt,
Speaker 6: did you'll feel like, man, like what if she leaves
Speaker 6: me because I can't make this happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a part of you that goes through that.
Speaker 1: You're just like, will she not find me like as
Speaker 1: masculine or not find me attractive? Like will something primarily
Speaker 1: happen inside her where like she'll reject me because I
Speaker 1: can't do the thing we're put here to do. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you immediately go through that, and then like that insecurity
Speaker 1: takes over and then you're like more sensitive about certain things.
Speaker 1: If she's not being sweet one day, you're.
Speaker 2: Like, is that it?
Speaker 1: You know? Did she stop? So this ship tears apart relationships.
Speaker 1: That's why I tell people, like, if you find out
Speaker 1: there's a problem, do I feel yeah, IVF immediately instead
Speaker 1: of like going through the emotional turmoil that could break
Speaker 1: you guys up. But but no, She's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is like a little thing in the special nobody
Speaker 1: would really understand or even probably catch. But like the
Speaker 1: first joke I make in the special is about this,
Speaker 1: you know, about about guys who say we're pregnant and
Speaker 1: I was insulting to women. And then I say yes
Speaker 1: like my wife when my wife says that we made
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Right. The last piece to the
Speaker 1: special is when my wife is is saying, uh, you
Speaker 1: know when when she thought that she lost the baby
Speaker 1: and I'm apologizing. I'm like, I'm so sorry that this
Speaker 1: is my fault and you got to bear the burden,
Speaker 1: and she goes, you don't have problems. We have problems.
Speaker 1: We'll do it together. So it's this idea that like
Speaker 1: in this in the beginning, I'm having this really selfish
Speaker 1: thought of like I make the money in the house.
Speaker 1: And then when she's dealing with the toughest things she's
Speaker 1: ever dealt with in her life, she's that's my fault.
Speaker 1: She's still taking on some of it because we're together.
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, you find out who people are in
Speaker 1: these tough situations. I got a good one. I got
Speaker 1: a good one.
Speaker 5: What is your conversations like with fifty?
Speaker 1: I know, I know fifties, fifty is the goat.
Speaker 3: I know he's he loves you as a comedian, and
Speaker 3: I know you pull up for him, he pulls up
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 5: What's your conversation with him when all this is going on?
Speaker 1: Yo, I just yeah, he did I hit him up
Speaker 1: or hit me up? Or we're trying to get him
Speaker 1: on the pod and he's like, yeah, I'm pulling up.
Speaker 1: But like he's the type of person that like he
Speaker 1: is Like, how do I explain it? It's like, you
Speaker 1: know how like in wrestling, whether the people are booing
Speaker 1: or cheering, like as long as they're making a sound,
Speaker 1: he's not afraid of anything. There are people that are
Speaker 1: probably like scared to do like credit Charlotmagne too. Like
Speaker 1: Charlotte could have easily been like, hey, the heat is
Speaker 1: on you and they're gonna be upset at me doing
Speaker 1: a pot with you every single week. And he you know,
Speaker 1: let's take a few weeks off.
Speaker 2: But he's been there before, so he understands that's not
Speaker 2: rock with my friends stands by.
Speaker 1: Me always always, but that's just this is a this
Speaker 1: is real ones. So he's the type of person also
Speaker 1: who like he doesn't care what the trend is. So
Speaker 1: many people are like motivated and moved by the trend,
Speaker 1: and he's the type of person he don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck what the trend is. And so if if there's
Speaker 1: like negative energy, you know, give a fuck there's positive,
Speaker 1: he don't give a fuck. He moves to the beatings
Speaker 1: his own drum. But I remember Charlotte Mane had an
Speaker 1: a dope thing to me when when I was going
Speaker 1: through that last one and there was like people, there's
Speaker 1: even people in my community, like comedians like saying some
Speaker 1: certain things about me, And Charlot man was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is actually good. You're going through this right now.
Speaker 1: I go, why, he goes, because you're about to hit
Speaker 1: another level when the special comes out and you got
Speaker 1: to pay close attention to who's hating now? I go,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He goes, Uh, Because whoever's hating
Speaker 1: now has been hating the whole time. Absolutely, But they
Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable coming out. They were waiting for you
Speaker 1: to look wounded. It's like laws of the Jungle, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like the line only attacks like
Speaker 1: the baby gazelle, you know. And uh and like I
Speaker 1: took note, bro I got yeah, I got notes and
Speaker 1: I can't wait for them to feel.
Speaker 5: The life is out right now right now.
Speaker 6: It's number two. What it is, number two, number number
Speaker 6: It was still but they said that show.
Speaker 1: Was good, which what I heard it was really.
Speaker 6: I didn't watch it because I didn't want to mess
Speaker 6: numbers up. I said, I was gonna wait.
Speaker 1: You, but no, I heard running point. Running point is
Speaker 1: like it's a global sensation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's uh and that that's a Kate Hudson and Chet
Speaker 1: Hanks and salute to them, like shout out to chat Man.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker is so funny. And but yeah, we still
Speaker 1: got to knock them out. But yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 1: We beat uh Bobby de Niro show. Oh yeah, Black,
Speaker 1: this has got to be your algorithm. Tyler Perry's Beauty
Speaker 1: and Black came back out.
Speaker 6: It's number two now he's number three.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, you might be looking at the top ten.
Speaker 4: You got look at that.
Speaker 6: What I was looking at, what I was talking about,
Speaker 6: you guys, go was.
Speaker 1: Trending, right, No, top ten works too. Okay, we're a
Speaker 1: big weekend. You're happy.
Speaker 3: I'm out there watching this week and I'm gonna check
Speaker 3: it out this week and me and the wife gonna
Speaker 3: relax and watch this.
Speaker 4: It's the only way to watch it.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you got a wife, you and
Speaker 2: your significant other go to watch it together.
Speaker 1: The fact that you guys went through it, I'm really
Speaker 1: curious your your perspective.
Speaker 5: But that's why we talk That's what we talked about.
Speaker 3: That's why we make it our business to talk about
Speaker 3: it in the book, and we pot about it all
Speaker 3: the time because so many people came up to and
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, we were dealing with the same thing.
Speaker 3: We felt like failures and men came up to me
Speaker 3: on the side. It was like, I thought it was
Speaker 3: just me. I don't know how to console my wife.
Speaker 3: But I mean, once you get through that other side,
Speaker 3: you realize it makes you look at your child a
Speaker 3: whole lot different. It just is like, because it's the
Speaker 3: most precious thing in the world, and if you're able
Speaker 3: to have a child, you know.
Speaker 5: You you hold that really really close to your heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, but thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And that's awesome you put in your book.
Speaker 1: I hope we destigmatize it. I don't want people to
Speaker 1: feel ashamed of wanting to have a kid. And you
Speaker 1: should have that ship by any means necessary. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the thing missing in the masculinity conversations.
Speaker 1: All these fucking guys out there saying what it is
Speaker 1: to be a man. None of them got kids.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what I think is your feminist arc.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be your feminist or.
Speaker 1: Been a feminist. Bro, I'm a proud girl, dad. That's right.
Speaker 2: I told you having a girl's gonna change your baby.
Speaker 6: Girl.
Speaker 1: She's thirteen months. Thirteen months. Yeah, I've been trying to
Speaker 1: get you on a feminist ship for a while. I've
Speaker 1: been a feminist, I know, ever since you got depressed
Speaker 1: or whatever you got, since you got anxiety.
Speaker 2: Christ But I'm gonna be honest with you. They've gone
Speaker 2: too far. I'm just having this conversation more. They've gone
Speaker 2: too far.
Speaker 1: I'm on my feministart. You're a mask on this art.
Speaker 1: You're back.
Speaker 4: You got to bring her back, just the little you
Speaker 4: got too.
Speaker 6: Scared of what being a girl dad?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's every day is terrifying. But it's also
Speaker 1: just like the most beautiful rewarding thing ever. Like she
Speaker 1: just walks in the room, she's so excited, gives me
Speaker 1: like the big hug, and you're just like, this is
Speaker 1: nothing else is important even in life.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, listen Andrews shows. Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: It don't be a stranger just because a little short
Speaker 3: five ft two digite over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, do you do a podcast where you
Speaker 5: can still come up here?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, I'll come on. You want to thank
Speaker 1: you guys for always man, this is this is legendary.
Speaker 5: Andrew shoutz. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that
Speaker 5: ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Come Breakfast Club.