1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: I caught my husband cheating and so I broke off 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: the marriage. But after the twisted truth came out, I 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: want him back. You know sometimes when you let some go, 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: when you let a bird go, you want that bird back. 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Well it's kind of hard because it's got wings, it's 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: got a little talent, so it can't really fly. 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 2: You know. Then you just be an as whole. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got your bird. You're a pull with 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the bird, full with the bird. But pirate, actually all 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: pirates appicles with birds. Yar, I want a cracker. 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: Hello everyone, My husband thirty five male and I thirty female, 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: married for eight years, have been separated for the last 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 3: fourteen months and I need help and advice on how 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: to rekindle our relationship. We are currently not on speaking 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: terms and all of our arrangements go through our lawyer. 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: But I will have an opportunity over Christmas to clear 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: the air and set things straight as he will be 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: flying in from Sydney to spend. 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: Time with the kids. Okay, this is your shot. So 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: what happened? 21 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: I received a Facebook message and Sember last year that 22 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: my husband quote unquote was taking and exchanging. 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Naked photos with another woman on Tender. Uh oh yeah, 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: she was just inspecting, you know. 25 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, oh oh sorry, I'm just on 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: Tender providing a service. I'm doing a little bit of 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 4: a breast cancer harm reduction, so please show me those 28 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 4: titties so I can make. 29 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: Sure you don't have cancer. We're welcome. 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: We're doing the world favor here. God's work over here. 31 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Also, we do provide imperson inspections too. 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: We spoke on the phone for a bit and the 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: only proof she had was a screenshot of their conversations 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: and his profile. Long story short, Ope, he did some sleuthing. 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: I downloaded Tender and found his profile with his location 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: less than one kilometer away. Yikes, man's in your own house. 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: I was convinced that he was cheating, and we had 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: a terrible fallow that evening, which led to my family 39 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: coming over to calm the situation, but instead it escalated 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: when my brother punched and grabbed hold of my husband. 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Jokin' who's a brother in law now not yo. 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: The neighbors called the police and my husband was asked 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: to pack a few things and stay elsewhere for a while. 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: We separated shortly after, and he has since moved to 45 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: Sydney to be closer with his ailing father, but sees 46 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: our kids for a weekend twice a month. 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: Damn. Okay, So I guess cheat and apples out of 48 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: your life. 49 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: I guess so? 50 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: Or is he? 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: Oh? 52 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: My? Fast forward to. 53 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: The beginning of November this year, my neighbor rocked up 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: at my doorstep to tell me that her husband was 55 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: catfishing women on dating apps using my husband's photos. 56 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: Stop it, stop it, damn. 57 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: You know your husband a HAUGHTI when people are using 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: him to catfish. 59 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: That's so crazy. 60 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: But he's still but he sent pictures of I guess 61 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: the catfish sent pictures of himself. Well yeah, but no 62 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: no face maybe so so he's just he's just ugly 63 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: face yea. 64 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: His bod is rocking man, just doing pure nickpicks ooh 65 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: the baby right. 66 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: Dang, show me that dong daddy looks like a horse 67 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: upstairs and downstairs? 68 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: Who does the carpet match to the drake? He downloaded 69 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: these photos from a MacBook that we lent him during COVID, 70 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: and some of these photos were intimate in nature and 71 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: of me, so he did steal those. So those were 72 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: real nudies, dude, creepy neighbor. The police are currently dealing 73 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: with this. All this has been relayed to my husband 74 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: through his lawyer, but his response has been lukewarm and 75 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: said we could talk about it over Christmas. I am 76 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: so scared that we might be too far down the 77 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: rabbit hole and that he will likely push for divorce, 78 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: even though I know that we love each other deeply. 79 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: Oh but this took a massive toll in our mental health, finances, 80 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: and the well being of our three kids. 81 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: Oh no, and he got freaking schmacked in the face 82 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: yeah by them, and everyone thinks like, oh yeah, like 83 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: he definitely did it. 84 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: Wow. 85 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: Rough, dude, freakin' rough. Okay. 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Yeah, he got all 134 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: of this, and it's so unfair for you and it's 135 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: awful and it's and it's and it's disgusting and you know, 136 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry about everything, and can we attempt to 137 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: work back? And you know, you tell me what you 138 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: need and we just communicate. 139 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: And she never she like didn't even try to believe him. 140 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: That's the other Yeah, and. 141 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: Like I feel like we've we've seen stories where it 142 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: has been super damning, but fishing happens all the time. 143 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 144 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: The fact that she didn't believe him. Yeah, Yeah, that's 145 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of rough. Yeah, man, Yeah, everyone tough. I understand op, 146 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, being doubtful with evidence with oh goodness. 147 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, after having sat down and discussed things, it was 148 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: decided that our marriage is beyond repair and that we 149 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: should go our separate ways. He's currently in therapy and 150 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: was requested that we have a clean break and no 151 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: further contact in the future. I intend to respect his 152 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: wishes and will continue to communicate through his lawyer on 153 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: matters that concern our kids. I've since cleared the air 154 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: with our families and friends and still actively worked towards 155 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: repairing his reputation. I'd also like to clarify the assault 156 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: and why my parents came over in the first place 157 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: because her brother brother, yeah give him old ring and 158 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: out of the argument. I called my mother to ask 159 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: if I could drop off our kids and if they 160 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: could spend the evening there, but She was concerned about 161 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: my emotional state and asked that I stay put and 162 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: they could come fetch the kids instead. They arrived and 163 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: my brother opted to stay outside while my parents came 164 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: inside to grab the kids in their bags. At this point, 165 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: my father asked to talk to my ex and calm 166 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: the situation. My mom dragged me away to get the 167 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: kids and their bags ready. My brother was very confused 168 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: when we came outside and was triggered by my mom 169 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: saying that my ex might have cheated. My brother reacted 170 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: the moment my ex walked down out and grab my 171 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: arm in a non violent way, leading to the punch 172 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: and scuffle on the front lawn. He was remorseful and apologized, 173 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: even before we found out my ex was not the blame. 174 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: It is a series of unfortunate events that have changed 175 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: many lives and robbed my family of our love and happiness. 176 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: Now I have to focus on my kids, my depression, 177 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: and coming to terms with the divorce. I will never forget, 178 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: but hopefully the pain won't be as intense. Damn it sucks. 179 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: I want to know what you guys would do in 180 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: this situation, Like would you like as the guy who 181 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 3: had all of this come out against him that was 182 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: not true, and and as the girl too. 183 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: But John, what do you think? What would you do? Okay, 184 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: here's what I think. Go sue the guy who catfished 185 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: my guy. 186 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: Like, yes, if your family is in a tough financial 187 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: situation because of this, If that ain't emotional damage, I don't. 188 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: Know what is. Oh my god, I screwed. 189 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Up entire family. At least get a bag from me. 190 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: I you know, not even the bag. 191 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: I just like, like somebody it's pay so low key, 192 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: like I don't know. I'm just like, hey, you caused 193 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: all of this, Like oh, I don't know. That's that's 194 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: something that just as the story was ending, I'm like, okay, 195 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: maybe that's like I didn't even think about that, but yeah, neighbor. 196 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: Sue the neighbor man. 197 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: And like other than that, all I think Opie's right, 198 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: Respect the wishes, keep it moving, Get in therapy yourself 199 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: for sure, a million percent. Uh, work on yourself, rebuild yourself, 200 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: try and build build your life back afterwards. 201 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of all you can do. 202 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: And I won't quite say that OPI is an a hole, 203 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: but almost I feel like there's not there wasn't really 204 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 3: enough evidence. 205 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I. 206 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: Guess, I guess the neighbor private photos. 207 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: I feel like it's pretty reasonable to like if you 208 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: see those one and she probably recognized it where it's like, oh, 209 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: like this is him. I mean, but wouldn't they have 210 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: sent those to each other? The catfish and well, no, wouldn't. 211 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: Wouldn't the wife have sent I wouldn't the husband have 212 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: sent the the nudie photos to his wife? 213 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 2: They were on their laptop. 214 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but like when they have seen them before, Oh, 215 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: like would she would be like, oh, wait, is this 216 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: like literally exactly what he sent to me? 217 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: Maybe they were just you know, swapping them back. 218 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: And forth so many don't even realize, don't know. And 219 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: probably in the also, I would say, in the moment, 220 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: maybe she wouldn't recognize it initially. But that is a 221 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: good question, like after I have a chance to like 222 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: really sit and you know. 223 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 3: Like if I was if I was the husband, I 224 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: would be trying to prove my innocence because it looks 225 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: really bad. But if I was the wife, I would 226 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: be like maybe trying to like at least hear, like, 227 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: especially if you have kids with the person, like at 228 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: least hear it. That guy's like like his side of 229 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: the story out and be like, Hey, I like, I 230 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: don't like this looks really bad. You're gonna have to 231 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: come back with something that proves that this is not you. 232 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: Why didn't It almost sounds maybe we just didn't get 233 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: the contact in the story. It almost sounded like the 234 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: husband wasn't going like super hard on proving his innocence, 235 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: which is crazy because he was completely innocent. Yeah, so 236 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, this one. It's tough. It's tough situation, Yeah, 237 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: really tough, but it's crazy. Also just how like one one, 238 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: like one neighbor can just screw your entire life. 239 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: All of it. Yeah, never lend your laptop. That's what 240 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: I've learned. 241 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: But I think it's also like it's not just the 242 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: neighbor though. It's like if a relationship has a lot 243 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 3: of trust built in, right, you can kind of even 244 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: weather these things by like making sure your communication doesn't 245 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: break down in the face of even something like this. 246 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: Leaning on the trust to give someone a chance, an 247 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: opportunity where it's like the worst that can happen is, uh, 248 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's still. 249 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: The same the same thing. 250 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: Did actually cheat The best thing that could happen is 251 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: you actually find out that they did not cheat. 252 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually that. Yeah, you're right, that is the 253 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: true lesson. 254 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: Like yeah, cause. 255 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: It's like like, yeah, you can blame the neighbor, and 256 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: of course the neighbor is the blame. I think also 257 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: like there was communication that broke down to that led 258 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: to the divorce. 259 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, But. 260 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what do you guys think? Who is 261 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: the blame? What would you do if you were the husband? 262 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: What would you do if you were the the wife? 263 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: And we'll see you in the next episode. Love you. 264 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: I told my pregnant daughter I will have nothing to 265 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: do with raising our baby. 266 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: I am a fifty six year old mother to a 267 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: thirty three year old Kelly. 268 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: Mmm, he LoVa. 269 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: It's like like, not a not a daughter, just a Kelly. 270 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 3: Her name is Kelly and grandmother to a sixteen year 271 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: old Ople. 272 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: It's a great name. Love that name. 273 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: It's cute. 274 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: I like it, beautyful as an Opal. Kelly became pregnant 275 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: with Opal at sixteen yikes rough man sixteen man. My 276 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: husband Eddie and I've always believed in having the right 277 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: to choose. However, Kelly insisted that she wanted to keep 278 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: the baby and not give it up for adoption. 279 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: Okay, there you have it. Damn that's that's committment. 280 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: So that's a bold move. 281 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: Bold move. 282 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 3: We helped a lot as Kelly was only seventeen when 283 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 3: Ople was born, which I hope the parents would help 284 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: a lot. 285 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: Dude, like having a kid at seventeen, Yeah, gotta be 286 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: really hard, super tough. However, Kelly would rarely help with 287 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: parenting even when she was available. It's like, do your 288 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: chores be your baby. 289 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: And so yeah. 290 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: Literally, it's like so crazy because they're like like an 291 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: angsty teenager. It's like, no, Mom, I'm listening to the 292 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: new Britney Spear CD. Stop bothering me. It's like, bruh, 293 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: that's your child. 294 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: Well to update it for for this generation. What you 295 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: listening to the new Olivio Rego. 296 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: BTS just dropped a new album. 297 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: Come on, they did just drop a new album, by 298 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: the way, BTS just did. Yeah, just fucking bumping BTS 299 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: and my year olds all day. 300 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: Even asking her to watch Opal for an hour while 301 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: we ran errands was an issue. It was rare that 302 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: Kelly wouldn't complain about why she had to be there 303 00:13:59,040 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: to look after Opal. 304 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: You're a freaking kid, bro, you wanted this? 305 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: Oh man. 306 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: Kelly chose not to attend college. After graduation, she had 307 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: a job with a flexible schedule, yet she rarely made 308 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 3: herself available for opel. Kelly was only home to sleep 309 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: or get dressed for some party. She also relied on 310 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: us to purchase supplies and book appointments for ople. Eddie 311 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: and I would have serious talks with Kelly that she 312 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: needed to step up as a parent. Kelly would only 313 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: make empty promises and never follow through with them. Oh man, 314 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: Kelly's not a good mom. 315 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I. 316 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: Would have expected more from a seventeen year old lovel 317 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: just kidding. 318 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: You, angs teenager? Why aren't you the perfect mom? I 319 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: don't understand, but I don't know what you do as 320 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: a parent, Like if your kid really wants to keep 321 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: the kid, like you can't say like, well. 322 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you gonna say? 323 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: No? I mean, yeah, you're gonna keep it so and 324 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: so it's like it's like an angsy team, like you're 325 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: usually fighting over like you know, come back, come back 326 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: before eleven thirty, not like change your child's diapers. Are 327 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: like watch this is a completely different stake. Such a yeah, 328 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: way different stakes. Kelly moved out when Ople was six. 329 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Kelly comes around maybe once a fortnight, a fortnite, once 330 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: a fortnight. This is a middle aged mom, right, it 331 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: has been a fortnight since I saw you last. Kelly 332 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: comes around once a fortnight and for holidays. But Eddie 333 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: and I have been the ones to raise Ople, and 334 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: Ople is doing extremely well. She has good friends, plays tennis, 335 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: participates in volunteer projects, and plans to be a marine 336 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: biologist after graduation. 337 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: Dude, I'm team Ople over. 338 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: Here snaps for Ople. I mean, like, Kelly didn't do 339 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: a good job raising her. Kelly didn't do a good 340 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: job raising her, but at least. 341 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: The parents did. 342 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: Dude. 343 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: They crushed it, Opie, the parent parents, that's right, I 344 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: guess the grandparents. Yeah, yeah, good Grandparentingyeah, grandparenting killed it. 345 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: The school year ended for Opal last week, so we 346 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: had a nice dinner to celebrate her good grades. Kelly 347 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: came along with several other family members. We're all chatting 348 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: and enjoying dinner to other. When Kelly stood up to 349 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: make an announcement, she announced to us that she was 350 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: pregnant with her boyfriend's child. Come on, what are we doing? 351 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: What is going on? Kelly's womb is freaking in overdrive? Well, 352 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: there was sixteen years apart, one baby every sixteen years. 353 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: You just got a freaking pasuka between You're. 354 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: Like, actually, that's coming from my family. My grandma had 355 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: ten kids. She was firing those things out every nine months. 356 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: Brosuka. I wonder, like, what's the most kids that anyone's 357 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: ever had? 358 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: Let's look it up. 359 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: Yes, John's on the case. I'm actually really excited for 360 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: this one. 361 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you have like the awk out of antony. 362 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: I can't be it can't be men, because like men 363 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: could have like a thousand kids, you know, yeah, like 364 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: Genghist con Ad. 365 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Well, actually I want I want both. I want to 366 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: both gangesst con. 367 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: I heard Genghis Khan is related to like six percent 368 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: of all Asian people. 369 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: I've heard something like that too. 370 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: It's probably lower than that. Get on the case, all right. 371 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: So check me out. 372 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: All right. 373 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: So the woman. 374 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: Valentina vassil lev yev okay, I bet you that gave 375 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: birth to a grand total of sixty nine children. 376 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: Sixty nine wait, sixty nine children yeap of like from 377 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 3: one marriage or multiple marriages. 378 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: I have sixteen pairs of twins, seven sets of driplets, 379 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: and four sets of quadruplets. Good God, this is the 380 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: most fertile woman on playing Who No, Who No. It 381 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: was between seventeen twenty five and seventeen sixty five, with 382 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: the total of twenty seven birds. 383 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: Bro but sixty nine kids. Okay, wait, wait, now we 384 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 3: gotta do Ganghis Khan. 385 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, So it wasn't gonna be a straight answer. 386 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I think he's related because they said it says fourteen 387 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: but those are the. 388 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: People that those are like legitimate kids, yeah, legitate Genghis 389 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 3: Khan or at till of the Hunt. 390 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's Genghis Genghis Khan. Eight percent of 391 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: men living in the former Mongol Empire, eight percent of 392 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: men in the firm. That's that's one hundreds of thousands 393 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: or milliate. That's insane. Okay. 394 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: She announced to us that she was pregnant with our 395 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: boyfriend's child boo. Then we already were upset because this 396 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: is supposed to be Opal's special moment, and Kelly announcing 397 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: her pregnancy was completely inappropriate. Eddie and I said nothing, 398 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: and Kelly started to say how she and her boyfriend 399 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: were so busy with life right now. Then began to 400 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: talk about how grateful she was that she would always 401 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: look at after our grandchildren, and how since we had 402 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: gained so much joy from raising opal, would be even 403 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: happier raising this second baby. 404 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: Excuse me, raising the second baby just not to matter. 405 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: You should be raising it. What are you doing? 406 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god, audacity of just saying you your house 407 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: so much, raising this so much fun, Raising this next 408 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: one to wait? 409 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: Just absolutely insane, absolutely insane. After Eddie and I called 410 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: her out, Kelly confirmed that she had expected us to 411 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: adopt and raise this second baby as well. No, Kelly 412 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: said how she and her boyfriend did not have time 413 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: to raise a baby. Why would you make the. 414 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: Announcement too busy? 415 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: But I'm having a baby, but you. 416 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: And I don't want it mone Yeah, my god. Kelly 417 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: said how she and her boyfriend did not have time 418 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: to raise a baby, but that putting up the baby 419 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: for adoption would be throwing it away. She assumed we, 420 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: at almost sixty years old, would have no troubles or 421 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: opposition to raising a newborn baby. 422 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: Of course she should be able to just dump whatever 423 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: she wants on her parents, especially in their old age kids. Ridiculous. 424 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. 425 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 2: Oh god. 426 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: Eddie and I interrupted Kelly and told her we would 427 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: have nothing to do with raising this new baby and 428 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: would not be providing anything for it. Supplies, child color, 429 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 3: et cetera. Kelly flipped out in an argument ensued. Kelly 430 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: called us heartless and claimed we were willing to throw 431 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: our girl. We were willing to throw our grandchild away. 432 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: Eddie and I called her selfish for expecting us to 433 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: raise another child. 434 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: We are too old to raise a baby. Kelly is 435 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: thirty three and. 436 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: Used to grow the fuck up, get the baby up 437 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 3: for adoption, or be a parent and raise it yourself. 438 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: Kellylly was left in tears. Now the family has broken 439 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 3: into sides. The ones agreeing with Kelly saying we adopted 440 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: opal and are sending the message that we don't care 441 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 3: about our newest grandchild. Others are saying we should have 442 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 3: taken her aside privately instead of shooting her down in 443 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: front of everyone, and our reaction was cruel. Eddie and 444 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: I feel that we had to be blunt with Kelly 445 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: and not sugarcoat reality, which I think is true because 446 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: it seems like they've been sugarcoating it for all these years, 447 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 3: because she just thought she could have a baby and 448 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: just be like, this is your problem though. 449 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's just so amazing and incredible 450 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: that like, not only is Kelly this delusional, but many 451 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: family members think like it just this my mind. Ridiculous, dude, ridiculous. 452 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 453 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Ople likes to show us stories from here sometimes, so 454 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: I thought it would be a good place to ask 455 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: for a neutral perspective. Am I the a hole? What 456 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: do you think? John? 457 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: No? 458 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: No, not the a hole, not the re ison at it. 459 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 2: Oh. 460 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 3: Ople is always able to express her feelings with me 461 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 3: and Eddie. Ople also has a therapist who is available 462 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: to speak whenever she needs it. 463 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Awesome. 464 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: Ople visited the therapist weekly during middle school, but now 465 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: has it needed to see him more than once a month. 466 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: We will be taking Ople on a mall trip to 467 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: make up for what happened at the celebration dinner. We 468 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: spoke privately to Ople after this incident and she knows 469 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: we in no way view her as a burden. Our 470 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: granddaughter is a blessing and many and many of her 471 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: happiest moments involved supporting Ople and watching her grow up. 472 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 3: But Opal is sixteen. She doesn't need the kind of 473 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: constant attention and care that a newborn baby does. We 474 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: are now too old to able to. We are now 475 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 3: too old to be able to adequately raise a newborn baby, 476 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 3: even if we wanted to. The biggest problem is that 477 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: Kelly is now an adult and need to start acting 478 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: like one. 479 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: For real. 480 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: Kelly is supposed to outlive us. The reality is that 481 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: Eddie and I aren't going to be alive for her 482 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: and her children in our entire lives. It is why 483 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Kelly needs to accept that she cannot expect us to 484 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: take on her responsibilities and must be independent. What Why 485 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: can't I just have as many children as they want 486 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: to give them to you to raise? Why can I 487 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: do that? This is the dumbest thing ever, bro. What 488 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: I love is that Opal at sixteen seems like way 489 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: more mature than her mom at thirty three. 490 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: Right, No, I mean she's going to therapy. 491 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: It sounded like she very clearly out there, which also 492 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: like I could understand if Opel maybe like felt away 493 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: a bit when the grandparents said, like, oh was I, 494 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: But like I could see her questioning that, but it 495 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: sounded like she was like very mature. It was like, no, 496 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: I totally understand, like you know, you weren't. That wasn't 497 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: any way a dig at me or anything like that, 498 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: Like very mature dude. Opel's the goat. Opel is the goat.