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Welcome 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: to the Favorites, the podcast from the Volume and Podcast Network. 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: I am Chad Melman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: We're getting close to the NBA Draft, folks. It's mirror 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: hours away. This is Tuesday afternoon when we are recording. 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: The draft is Thursday night. NBA Draft has become a 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: massive betting event. Ever since woad Bombs started becoming a 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: thing and he was telling everybody what was going to 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: happen before it could actually happen on television, and since 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: betting has become legal, people have loved to speculate as 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: they have with the NFL Draft on the NBA Draft, 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: and this week Action Networks own Matter More is making 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: news that is driving NBA betting markets. So in a 34 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: couple of minutes we will welcome in Action Network analysts 35 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Matt Moore as well as Action Network analyst Brandon Anderson, 36 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: both of whom you can hear on the Buckets podcast, 37 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: which is exploded during the NBA playoffs. There is a 38 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: new Buckets podcast up previewing the NBA Draft Simon Hunter, 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: my bff, my companion, MIKEA Padre professional better. What's your 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: take on betting the NBA Draft. It's fun, like you 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: just said, it's it's definitely grown. But just like NFL, 42 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: there's just so much noise in the last two three 43 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: days leading up to it. It's like what's legit and 44 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: what's bs? So, I mean, it's fun, but I don't 45 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: know what you chat. I had a great weekend after 46 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: our Golden State win that covered a couple of beers 47 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: for your boy Ice Payday, so I was like relaxing 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: all the SUDD was like, holy shit, the NFL drafts next, 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean NBA drafts next week. The NBA is not 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: mess around. They're just like, no Mariage anyone else get 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: any type of spotlight. We're going right into our NBA draft. 52 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: Pretty wild. I mean, I can imagine these teams like 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: Golden State. I know they have guys obviously prepping for 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: this draft. That must be an insane feeling to go 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: from an NBA championship parade to doing a draft in 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: the same week. Number one. Yeah, NBA schedule is pretty tough, 57 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: and Matt More can speak to that. You go from 58 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: NBA Finals to NBA Draft to free agency, and like 59 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: if they really don't give anybody a break? Uh, And yes, Simon, 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up. You and I both 61 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: had the Warriors. I had the Warriors in six very 62 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: decidedly said that I had Steph to lead the Finals 63 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: in points per game and threes per game. Cash that 64 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: as well. You know, this is a good time to 65 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: bring in Matt and Brandon. Do you guys remind me 66 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: who do you have in the finals at the Boston Celtics. Brandon, 67 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: what was your take? I had Celtics and sex. Yeah. 68 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes you know what happens is the guys who just 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: sort of watched the game and look at it from 70 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: thirty feet We don't get confused, we don't. We just 71 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: believe what we see and anybody anybody watching those games 72 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: could see Steve Kerr is the best coach, Steph Curry 73 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: is the best player. And if you watch the Celtics 74 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: all year, which I did watch a lot of Celtics game, 75 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: you knew their fatal flaw was that Jalen Brown and 76 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum all they like to do was drive to 77 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: the basket without a plan in mind, and then hope 78 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: they can bully somebody or the athleticism will help them. 79 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: Mid air, we said, what happened? Too many turnovers from 80 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum because he couldn't figure out what to do 81 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: when he had the ball driving to the basket. Matt More, Sorry, 82 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: I didn't expect the Celtics to set records for turnovers. 83 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: All that I did, I did over. But it's fine. 84 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: It's fine. Congrats on your bets, boys. You wanna what 85 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: It's fine because I had Andrew Wiggins one to leave 86 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: the series and rebounds, so I came out just fine. 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: You can have your your paltry Warriors bets. Well, listen, 88 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: I'll give you a hard time about the Celtics um 89 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: and look every single this was a really interesting series 90 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: for that, and it is worth having a discussion in 91 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: abetting context because it very much was a public sharp 92 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: divide on this. For the most part, A lot of people, 93 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the public looked at the Warriors, saw 94 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: the dynasty. They were betting on the Celtics, a lot 95 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: of wise guys, they loved their models having the Celtics, 96 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: and I just thought that was a fascinating narrative. Brandon, 97 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: for how the market publicly was looking at something versus 98 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: how the professionals were looking at something. Yeah, I agree, 99 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: and I was really excited. Uh. I get accused by 100 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 1: my colleague Matt of being Mr. Public a lot of times. 101 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: I tend to be on the public side of a 102 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: lot of bets, and and it's true. It's it's a 103 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: fair accusation. I was really excited to be on the 104 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: other side of this one, to to be on the Celtics. 105 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: They were a team that we had been writing. I 106 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: was on Celtics preseason. We we both bet Matt and 107 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: I both bet them during the season to come out 108 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: of the East, to to get the title. And it 109 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: just it felt like the right It felt like a 110 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: team that was looking really good. Chad, I'm not only 111 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: going to own Celtics in six. The last time I 112 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: was on the favorites was before the Western Conference Finals 113 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: and you asked me, Brandon, Warriors in five over the 114 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 1: maps Simon. You said, Warriors one of the easiest bets 115 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: that that your guys had ever made. Chad. You asked 116 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: me Warriors in five and I said I don't like it, 117 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: and you told me I was fired. Well, my paychecks 118 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: are still coming in so I think that didn't happen yet, 119 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: but you got me on Warriors in five and Warriors 120 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: in six on back to back. I literally have a 121 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: Warrior's basketball over this shoulder and a Steph Curry book 122 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: over that shoulder. I'm wearing a Steph Curry shirt right now, 123 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: and I bet against the Warriors, Chad. I am proud 124 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: to work for a person who knows the Warriors even 125 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: better than I, a shoe hoops fan knows them myself. Uh. 126 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: It was great for his legacy, great for the team. 127 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: I was glad to enjoy the win despite being wrong 128 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: about Boston. Okay, I have a lot of stress this 129 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: week because of how much draft and tel I'm trying 130 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: to store through. Can we not maybe throw up on 131 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: top of it? Well, let's get to it. Let's do it, 132 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: because Matt, to your credit, you did break some draft 133 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: news this week. UH, and you had a story on 134 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: Action Network about uh Paolo Bancaro and the what's happening 135 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: with his draft odds? To set the scene, you know, 136 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: the consensus number one basically since the um since the 137 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: lottery UH positions were announced, Jabari Smith number one, chet 138 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: Homegren number two, chat Homegren from Gonzaga, Jabari Smith from Auburn, 139 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: Paula ban Carrey from Duke number three. Matt Matt Moore, 140 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: explain what's happening right now? So I started on sun Day. 141 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: On Sunday, I started getting text about, Hey, hearing some 142 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: stuff that ban Caro is in play for number one. Now, 143 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: we have been told pretty much repeatedly those of us 144 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: that like followed, try and follow these circles in the league, 145 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: all the noise that the magic had not made up 146 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: their mind. That was true two weeks ago. It was 147 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: true on Saturday. The last time I checked was that 148 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: I heard that the magic had not made up their 149 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: mind on who the number one pick is going to be. 150 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: On Sunday, I started hearing that bank Caro might be 151 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: a possibility at number one, more so than he was before. 152 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: And then the money starts coming in. On Sunday afternoon, 153 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: palabank Caro was plus six six hundred sixteen to one 154 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: at most books to go number one. By Monday morning, 155 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: he was plus nine hundred or shorter. By Monday afternoon 156 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: he was plus four hundred or shorter, and last night 157 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: and as of this morning when we're recording this on Tuesday, 158 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: he is less than plus three hundred, often plus two 159 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: fifty or shorter to go number one. It's across all 160 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: of the books. I talked to bed MGM that took 161 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: a four percent increase in handle. I start to win 162 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: bet that tracked thirty seven different bets on Bancaro to 163 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: go number one in a twenty four hour period. Every 164 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: book I've checked in with Superbook opened early on this 165 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: and and on Monday, and they immediately shot the odds down. Fandal, 166 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: You've seen the exact same odds movement. The books have 167 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: all in syncrosity been moving Bancaro down and down and down, 168 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: to the point where now chat Homegren has longer odds 169 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: than Bancaro. The question that you have is, okay, is 170 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: this because there's still no indication that Bancaro is actually 171 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: the choice from Orlando. There's some rumors that he's in 172 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: play for it, but not the guy. My understanding is 173 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: that Bancarro has not worked out for Orlando. Jabari Smith 174 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: has worked out for Orlando. We don't know about chat Homegren. 175 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: Chat Homegren's medicals are in question. The big takeaway here 176 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of uncertainty between those three 177 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: guys for the number one pick, depending on what number 178 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: you get them, Matt, there's value on all three right now. 179 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: There's a consensus that Jabari is probably still in the lead, 180 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: but ban Caro is absolutely in play and home runs 181 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: odds of moves so much to where I have to 182 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of value on home grun 183 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: because many consider him to be as valuable as in 184 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: the other two. This is a fascinating situation. I don't 185 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: remember seeing this much movement across every book in twenty 186 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: four hours the week of the draft. Simon professional better 187 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: when you see this happening, What is your take on 188 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: the moves? There's a lot that goes into it. It's 189 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: not just him to be their first pick of role, 190 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: it's also people betting on him to be a top 191 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: three pick. I mean, again, that's a crazy amount of 192 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: movement for a twenty four hour period. But I'll tell 193 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: you what. I talked to a guy who does a 194 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: lot of our NBRA coverage, and he was talking to 195 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: a couple of scouts. Who has the upside here? I 196 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a great player in the NBA. 197 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: I like his upside, but is he gonna be ever 198 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: a top ten, top twenty player in the league. No, 199 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't think so, it's just it just doesn't work 200 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: that way. I think it's an interesting the movement, but honestly, 201 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: it's expected. It's just looking from are away, it's not 202 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: as crazy because it's kind of expected where these guys 203 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: seem like they don't know either. No one really knows 204 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: what the hell is Magic team is gonna really do. 205 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: So these these pros know something like that amount of 206 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: money to come in at that time. I talked to 207 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: you all the time, Chad, when is when do I 208 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: work from midnight to six am? That's not me. That's 209 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: the most professional groups. So they know something. There's something 210 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: going on here. So I love that these guys were 211 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: having these guys on today because it was so cool 212 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: reading Mattmore's article because it's like that's real time line movement, 213 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: that's no bs so something. I want to get your 214 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: thoughts on this because one of the things that I 215 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: thought is okay, and there's probably value on Bank Caro, 216 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: Like this is what we kind of came to on 217 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: the Buckets podcast, is like there's value, there was value 218 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: on bankcarre at one, like that number was wrong that 219 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: he was enough and play, and it's probably value on 220 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: him at nine one and seven to one. One of 221 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: the things that I do kind of wonder about is 222 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: if there's been any what you think the likelihood of 223 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 1: the pros coming in because my understanding is that a 224 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: lot of this was sharp movement. It wasn't public money 225 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: like this was sharp groups that these were taking money 226 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: from predictably, right, Why would the public all of a 227 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: sudden jump on one side. I think they tailed it 228 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: later and that's why we moved from like plus four 229 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: hundred plus seven hundred down to plus three hundred. But 230 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: is there a chance that the books also we're looking 231 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: to Steam Bank Caro because they thought there was a 232 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: good value there with the possibility of coming back on 233 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: Jabari Smith now that his number has dropped from minus 234 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: three hundred down to a minus onet. That's exactly what 235 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: they did, Like you used, nailed it perfectly, So they 236 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: don't care. They don't care if he goes number one 237 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: now they already got the value. I'm right there with you. 238 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: I think it's the hardest part about especially about doing 239 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: these kind of shows where it's like, yeah, I'm with them, 240 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: I would bet that Steam I think that's a good 241 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: number still, But man, that's tough when you're telling something 242 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: to take the number. It was you plus two fifty 243 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: right now compared to when he was, you know, just 244 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: even three hours aghen I woke up, he was plus 245 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: four hundred plus five hundred some books. So it's again, 246 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: it's tough position to tell people to bet that number. 247 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: You just said it. These guys have already hit their 248 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: position and now they're just gonna hedge it because it's 249 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: ken what is a minus one twenty now for be 250 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: the first book overall? A Jabari is MIAs one fifty 251 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: apollos plus two number one. It just moved from my 252 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: It just moved from MIAs one florty MIAs one fifty 253 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: while we're recording. So that's what's gonna be so crazy 254 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: is the next couple of days. It's just like money 255 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be keep coming in on these rumors. It 256 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: is interesting to me that the draft has become and 257 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: I said this off the top, has become such a 258 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: big betting event entirely based on speculation. Simon, you're connected. 259 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, you are a professional better who pulls from 260 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: a lot of sources, and you work with a lot 261 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: of sources, work with a lot of other betters who 262 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: have different coverage areas, right, So how do your guys 263 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: know in the same way, Matt, how do you know 264 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: when you're getting legit information from people on NBA teams 265 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: and scouts and when you're getting smoke screens that you 266 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: know you've got to sort of separate what you are 267 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: hearing from what's real trial and error. I mean, there's 268 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: a lot of that, but I would say after a 269 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: couple of years, honestly, you don't. It's not like you 270 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: need a huge group of guys. You just need the 271 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: right guys. So I would say when NBA, there's certain 272 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: people that I talked to. When they speak, I listen 273 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: and then you see things certain fall into place, and 274 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: they said it a couple of weeks ago. That's when again, 275 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: after years of doing that, you're just like, Okay, this 276 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: is I don't need to listen or read all these 277 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: other guys. I can literally talk to this one guy 278 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: and get pretty good information. Because the NBA is more unique, 279 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: and again, the NFL is the NFL combine. That's where 280 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: a lot of good information comes on the draft. The 281 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: NBA has the Vegas League. They have all these parties 282 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: where they get together, especially the NBA final parties, so 283 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: apparently there's just so much information that's trafficked, like in 284 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: these last couple of weeks where that's different the NFL. 285 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: The NFL has a long break until we have our draft. 286 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: So that's why it's really cool watching this in a 287 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: lifetime because again we can just say it's all smoke. 288 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I think someone knows something 289 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: clearly that this kid has risen up their draft for 290 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: because the magic, I've kept it so quiet and it's 291 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: again it's interest here met Moore was going to say, 292 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: because it's a lot of information being thrown around right now, 293 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: and I don't know how he's dealing with it, because 294 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: there's gotta be a lot of bus inside there for 295 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: the magic themselves are putting out there just throw people 296 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: off the scent. It's nerve wracking. Um, it's annoying a 297 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: lot of the time. The two things that I've kind 298 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: of tried to rely on is try and make sure 299 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: that you hear it from two people that you don't 300 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: think operating the same circles that you feel like, Okay, 301 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't think this guy heard something from the same 302 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: person that this other guy heard from. And then the 303 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: other thing that I try and focusing on is repeated information. 304 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: So last year we hit Scottie Barnes going to Toronto. 305 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: That was a good hit for the Action Network crew. 306 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: Um I heard Barnes killed the workout an interview in 307 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: Toronto days after the lottery, and then they were Toronto 308 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: was mentioned again and then again and then again, And 309 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: it was in the midst of all this, like it 310 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: could be this, it could be this, it could be Toronto, 311 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: could go here Toronto. Look at the trade the pick. 312 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: But the one piece of information that kept coming through 313 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: as they really like Scottie Barnes, And you try and 314 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: hit those patterns, I think, especially in the betting space, 315 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: that's where I try and focus on a lot is 316 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: can I find consistent information across sources that I can 317 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: piece together and go there seems to be a consistent 318 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: message here. But so like you talk about smoke screen, 319 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: yesterday the big news was like the King's basically came 320 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: out and held a press conference waving little Keegan Murray flags. 321 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: Like Gavoni from ESPN, one of the most respected, probably 322 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: the most respected draft expert in the World Formula of 323 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: Draft Express rights on ESPN that the beck Ground DV 324 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: has taken alike in to Keyan Murray, and that Mike 325 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: Brown has warmed up to Keenan Murray, and I hear 326 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: from people that Kegan Murray is going up spaces. But 327 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: then here's the consistent thing, though, is that what we've 328 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: heard all along is the Kings want to trade this pick. 329 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: The Kings want a win now guy. And so that's 330 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: one where I'm like, do I think the Kings are 331 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: taking Keegan Murray? No, I think the Kings are probably 332 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: trading it to somebody who does want Kegan Murray, because 333 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: I've heard the Spurs and the Pacers are both very 334 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: interested and want to trade off, and so they're trying 335 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: to drive up that price. 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I've got 368 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: their topics I want to hit because I do want 369 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: to hit some of the trade rumors because that has 370 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: impact on the draft. And I do want to hit 371 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: some futures market stuff for NBA title because there's been 372 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: a lot of conversation about that in the last couple 373 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: of days. Um, but as we are thinking about Jabari Smith, 374 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: Paula Banko, chet home Grin, what are the bets down 375 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: the board? Brandon, you first that you're thinking about that 376 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: might have more value since the top of the board 377 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: is what's going to get all the attention. Yeah, so 378 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: I I in this, you know, is regarding the the 379 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: intel and how do we sort through it all on 380 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: the NBA draft. I like to do kind of what 381 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: you and Simon do on the favorite. So I like 382 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: to bet on the unpredictability, the gross factor, Like whenever 383 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: something looks locked in and the number goes away up 384 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, here we go a polo the 385 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: number three, it's and at minus five minus the thousand 386 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: for much of the process, Jade and Ivy the sure 387 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: thing at number four. Nothing is a sure thing. Never 388 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: anything is a sure thing. You can't be sure at 389 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: number three and four when we don't know who's going 390 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: on one and two. It logically doesn't make sense. So 391 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: I end up getting a lot of things wrong because 392 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm willing to play a lot of these longer plus numbers. 393 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: So one of that magic Taco. Matt said a lot 394 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: of things about Kegan Murray. I agree with all of them. 395 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: Kegan Murray is a really good player. He's a known commodity. 396 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm taking the over on Keegan Murray at five and 397 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: a half. I'm getting that a plus number something close 398 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: to two to one now because there's so much talk 399 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: about him going in the top five. But here's what 400 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: I think I know about the top five. There's those 401 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: three big guys. They're definitely going the top five. There's 402 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: Jade and Ivy. We think that he's almost certainly going 403 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: to top five. That's four. There's only five picks in 404 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: the top five. I'm pretty good at math that five 405 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: out of five? Is it? That only leaves one spot 406 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: for Kegan Murray. I think Keagan's a good play. He's 407 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: like a Tobias Harris to teach you Warren type, but 408 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: he's older. He would be the second oldest top five 409 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: draft pick in the last nine NBA drafts. We don't 410 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: draft older college players. You know, Sam, you talked about 411 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: the the American thing that to me is a red flag. 412 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: An old player, a junior basically by age, almost a senior, 413 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: that would be really rare here. So you look for Okay, well, 414 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen, what's the reason Benedic Mathron could 415 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: go there? Dyson Daniels, Shaden Sharp, younger upside guys. That's 416 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: what we see in NBA drafts. I'm willing to bet 417 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: on uncertainty. Maybe it's the smoke screen, maybe it's the 418 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: Kegan Murray thing. Maybe it's a team fell in love 419 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: with one of those young guys. But when when there's 420 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: a very narrow path. It's got to be this way. 421 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Kegan Murray has to fit in this one slot to 422 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: hit the under. I know that's what we all think 423 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: is going to happen. I'll play the other side because 424 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm getting better out there. I like that one. One other. 425 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: My favorite pick on the board right now is Oakak 426 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: Boggy over thirteen and a half. Boggy is another good 427 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: known commodity. He played at Kansas. He won the national 428 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: championship with them. He is twenty two years old. He's 429 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: a knockdown shooter. Every NBA team wants a guy like 430 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: a Boggy who can shoot, who can come in and 431 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: play right away, easy case, done and done. Slot him 432 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: into your lineup again. The NBA draft at the top 433 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: is about youth and about upside. There are a lot 434 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: of wings in this draft. Is a really interesting wing draft. 435 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: Here guys on the wing like a Boggy that I 436 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: know we're gonna go ahead of him as far as 437 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: we know. Bennedic Matherin, Johnny Davis, Dyson Daniels, Shaden Sharp, 438 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: A J. Griffin. Those are probably top ten picks. Those 439 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: are guys gonna go ahead of a Boggy. I like 440 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: MELOCHI Brainham from a house state, a lot usman jaying 441 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: the international guy is a guy getting a ton of 442 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: buzz lately. I am betting on those guys by fading 443 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: a Boggy because again, there's only thirteen picks in the 444 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: top thirteen and there's gonna be some big guys and 445 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: some other players in there. I think that is important there. 446 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: But I like the over on Acreag Boggy. He's a 447 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: good player. We're not betting on will the player be 448 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: good or not. We're betting on the value and where 449 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: will the intel kind of force things? And I think 450 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: it's important on these bets. Look at the number. If 451 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: you think a guy has to go in the top 452 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: five or the top thirteen, count the players out. There's 453 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: only so many slots for guys to fit in. And 454 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: no too that books want you to bet books. No, 455 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: we want to bet the unders. That's more fun. We 456 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: want to bet the guy to go high in the draft. 457 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: So I usually try to trend toward the over if 458 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: I can. Because of that reason, I think that Bogy 459 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: is an interesting case study. Last year, Io Desumu had 460 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: a great year for the line. I All American consensus 461 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: top point guard in college basketball. Team went in with 462 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: the number one seed, didn't perform in the tournament. Io 463 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: drops to the second round, ends up being second team 464 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: All Rookie for the Bulls. Had an incredible year. Um, 465 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: it was a little bit older, right, the ceiling might 466 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: not have been as high as some of the players 467 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: taken ahead of him in the first round. That's where 468 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: guys start to outsmart themselves, right, And like, look at 469 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: what Boggy did throughout the tournament winning a national title. 470 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: He played well in the tournament. Like, sometimes you gotta 471 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: get a player who just knows how to play the 472 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: game and is ready to contribute. And I feel like 473 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: that You're probably right, Brandon. I also feel like this 474 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: is where people get a little too excited about potential. Yeah, absolutely, 475 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: because you're looking at you know, Okay, well, Malachai Brandham, 476 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: he's only nineteen. What will he be three years from 477 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 1: now when he is the age of Boggy already? Is 478 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: what's fine? But I also have to play the player 479 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: the next three years, and I bog you can play 480 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: for me right now. You know, he's the exact sort 481 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: of guy that your Desmond Baine comes to mind, a 482 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: guy that a lot of people NBA draft loved a 483 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: few years ago, and he slipped and then what's he 484 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: doing Now? He's playing huge minutes in the playoffs for 485 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: the Grizzlies as like a key part of their their franchise. 486 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: And and then we do a year or two later. 487 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: How did Desmond being a fall? He hits shots, he 488 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: plays defense. How did it happen? Well, this is how 489 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: it happens. You're taking the upside and in the NBA 490 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: is interesting that number four teen is really important. You're 491 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: in the lottery because you missed the playoffs. When you 492 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: slip past the top four teen, now you are unless 493 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: the pick was traded. Now you're being added to a 494 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: team that doesn't probably need a franchise superstar. They need 495 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: an ox check boggy, a guy to just come in 496 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: and play a role. And so that's where suddenly you're 497 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: in a winning situation. You're not the guy, you're the 498 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: fourth guy. You're taking open shots, not creating your shots. 499 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: So it's a much better team context too. So yeah, 500 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: I'll take the over on a Boggy, and then I'll 501 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: take the under on on didn't we what do we 502 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: do with this guy? Like? How do we pass on him, Like, 503 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: I'll take both sides of that equation because it's gonna 504 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: play into both angles. I think. Yeah, That's why I 505 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: love the draft though. It's like you never know the 506 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: rule upside these players. I mean, one of my favorite 507 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: stories ever always be this kid came out of college. 508 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: He was an incredible three point shooter. He was skinny 509 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: as hell, he had really bad ankles, and he just 510 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: won his fourth NBA title last week. It's like you 511 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: never know, Like Steph Curry. I remember they talked about 512 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: it if he would have played just five years early 513 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: in the NBA. They didn't have the science for what 514 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: they figured out with is they literally fixed the way 515 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: he would land after he would shoot the ball, like 516 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: that was sparresually. His big weakness is that, like he 517 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: kept rolling ankles, and it's like incredible thing like these 518 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: these teams don't know, like it's it is a craft shoot. 519 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: Like That's what I always love these NBA drafts. I'm 520 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: a six years fan. We spent years trusting the process, 521 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: tanking to win these drafts, and what did we end 522 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: up with? Really, we ended up with him beat. I 523 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: know when we got MAXI here down the road. But 524 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: it's like these teams we strike out constantly. Ben Simmons, 525 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: we struck out Fulls, we struck out. It's like I 526 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: love the draft because it's like no one cares right now. 527 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: It's just the high of highs. Like we have such high, 528 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: happy hopes for these players right now, but we know 529 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: the deal. It's the NBA. There's what twenty really dominant players, 530 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: and you're lucky, so lucky if you can just find 531 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: one of them. Steph Curry hard to argue right now 532 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: that he isn't a top ten all time NBA player. 533 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: That is that is the only conversation that anyone has 534 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: had since the Warriors won the finals. I've been out 535 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: with friends. It's the constant conversation. I've seen it on Twitter. 536 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: It's the constant conversation, Steph Curry, top ten player all time. Uh, 537 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: you can't argue with it. It's like it's transformational. Matt 538 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: Moore's rolling his eyes. You're with me, I'm with you. Look, 539 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know why we didn't have this conversation earlier. 540 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: I've never been a Steph guy. I needed one more though. 541 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: Does he like he had three titles and is the 542 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: greatest shooter of all time in which the entire point 543 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: of the sport is to put the little round thing 544 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: in the hole with the net. Like, he's literally the 545 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 1: best at the number one most important thing ever. He's valid, 546 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: he's he's verified and certified with three titles already now 547 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: he gets four. Like to me, he's already in that conversation, like, 548 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: he's more impactful than this has been the thing. You know, 549 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: I judge everything on what's your impact on winning? Do 550 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: you do you impact the game in a way that 551 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: makes your team win. There's no question Steph Curry is 552 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: the most impactful offensive player since Michael Jordan's and his 553 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: offense is so impactful it makes up for the defensive 554 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: side of the things where he's not even bad, he's 555 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: just not very good. So uh, to me, I absolutely 556 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: think that Steph Curry is a top ten player of 557 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: all time. I think you can put a real argument 558 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: for him over Magic as good as as as amazing 559 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: as Magic was. I think when you get into these conversations, 560 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: your person greatness and so it's okay to just say, like, 561 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: these are all incredible players. You're not insulting anyone, but 562 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: Steph Curry is the greatest player of all time. He's 563 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: a consummate winner. He's willing to do with so many 564 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: guys that could have been great would not, which is 565 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: work off ball and move if you just move. If 566 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook was willing to be earlier before all the 567 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: knee injuries, was just willing to be like, yeah, no, 568 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: I'll just cut, I'll cut to the rim and catch 569 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: lobs and do all these things. How different is it 570 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: rather than taking defense off and wanting to dribble, dare 571 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: out of the ball, curries, work ethic, his leadership. He's 572 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: such a magnetic personality for that team. I think you 573 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: cannot separate him from Draymond. Draymond's impact on him is huge, 574 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: but steps the greatest shooter of all time and a 575 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: four time champion. He's top ten, no doubt. I do 576 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: think you hit on something really interesting, which is, to me, 577 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a top ten player, there has 578 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: to be an element in your game that revolutionized the game, right. 579 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: And you can say that about Michael Jordan's you can 580 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: say it about Magic, you can say it about Larry Bird, 581 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: you can say it about Wilt, you can say it 582 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: about Kareem You can say it about Lebron, and you 583 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: can say it about Staff, like all of them had 584 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: an element of their game that was entirely revolutionary and 585 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: had an impact on the way the game is played, 586 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: the way the game is played on the court, how 587 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: teams draft, how teams defend. Steph did that a percent. Also, 588 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm getting tired of the staff bashing on defense. The 589 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: guy played really well defensively in the finals. He is bigger, 590 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: he's more physical. He stayed in front of his player 591 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: like his the guy he's defending. On offense, he shuffled 592 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: his feet like he was there, like he was in 593 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: the lane, taking physical poundings as much as Andrew Wiggins, 594 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: who was extraordinary enough said I don't need a response. 595 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: Here's my question. Right now, two trades being discussed. One 596 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: everyone's saying it's a fatal company Rudy Gobert to the 597 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls. What I'm trying to unpack is, what's the 598 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: other side of that trade if the Bulls give up 599 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: Patrick Williams. To me, that is insanity because he is 600 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 1: built for today's NBA. The ceiling on him is huge. 601 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: He's twenty one years old, has so many physical gifts, 602 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: and even in limited time, he could have a huge impact. 603 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: You can see that when he got back. And if 604 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: you have Patrick Williams, a Lonzo Bald Damar zach Lavine 605 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: as a foursome that is incredibly powerful, that is long, 606 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: it's defensive, it can run really fast, like they are 607 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: a powerful group. I don't want to give up Patrick 608 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: Williams for Rudy Gobert. So to me, the trade is 609 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: Rusovich Kobe the eight teenth overall pick for Rudy Gobert. 610 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: Matt Moore and my writer, am I wrong? I think 611 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: you're wrong. I think Here's what Here's what I know 612 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: on Gilbert. The market for him was really strong when 613 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: it opened about a month ago, and Atlanta and Toronto 614 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: or two of the teams that were really interested, they've 615 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: backed off a little bit. That doesn't mean they can't 616 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: come back to the table, but they've backed off a 617 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: little bit, and so there's been a lot of momentum 618 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: that like it's gonna be Chicago. I've asked people that 619 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: are familiar with our tourist, carnasovis um I know a 620 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: little bit of him from him working in Denver, and 621 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: the question I asked people was he's Gobert, a Carnas 622 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: Sovis type of guy, and they were all emphatically yes 623 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: that he values length, defensive i Q and the ability 624 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: to really be a foundational piece, and Gobert checks all 625 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: those boxes. Okay, so this checks out logically that the 626 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: interest is real here. There has been a growing sense 627 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: around the league that the most likely destination is that 628 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna end up with Chicago, and there has 629 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: been kind of this idea. I don't think any AGE 630 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: is gonna back off the Patrick Williams requirement. I don't 631 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: I personally don't think that's gonna happen. I think that 632 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a requirement that Patrick Williams is included 633 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: in the trade. AGE wants good talent, picks and prospects. 634 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: Chicago is one of the only teams that has that 635 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: combination of ailable where they can provide Vuchovich as a 636 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: as a win now player, Patrick Williams as a prospect, 637 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: and some lower value draft picks. The fact they don't 638 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: have high draft picks is part of this equation. That's 639 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: why you have to compensate with something like Williams. Do 640 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: I agree with you that they shouldn't trade Patrick Williams. 641 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: I do I agree with you on that, but there 642 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: has been kind of the idea that eventually Chicago is 643 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: likely to go ahead and commit to that deal. I 644 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: will tell you that Minnesota has in recent days, over 645 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, really gotten involved with the 646 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: idea of Gobert and has bandoned about a number of 647 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: different options that might help in terms of, you know, 648 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: if Minnesota sets a lower bar that helps Chicago being like, hey, 649 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: Minnesota is not offering you know whoever, We're not offering 650 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Williams in this deal. But it can work the 651 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: other way in terms of being like, look, if you're 652 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: not gonna give you Patrick Williams, I'm just calling up 653 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Minnesota and taking that deal. So to me, if I 654 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: had to put odds on it, I would put the 655 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: Bulls at a small minus number to get go Bear. 656 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: The only reason it's not large jurors Danny Ames drives 657 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: a really hard bargain and that's hard for anybody to 658 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: deal with. But as of right now, with where we're 659 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: talking about right now, I expect Ritty Gobert to be 660 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: a Chicago Bull by the time that the season starts, 661 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: and I do expect Patrick Williams to be part of 662 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: that deal with the caveat that if he can get 663 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: anged to back off. I haven't seen our tourists in 664 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: this situation. Maybe it doesn't happen, but right now I 665 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: think Patrick Williams winds up being part of that deal. 666 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: I hate that trade. I hate it to me. It's 667 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: like he will shouldn't should be an untradeable asset at 668 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: this point, and then you find out is he Kyle 669 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: Kuzma when he was untradeable from the Lakers like four 670 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: or five years ago, or is he Tyrese Maxie when 671 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: he was untradeable from the Sixers uh in the last 672 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: couple of years. I think that the ceiling is Tyrese Maxie, 673 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: not Kyle Kuzma. I would hate to see Patrick Williams 674 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: leave the Bulls. Brandon, do you have any opinion on this? 675 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: I do so. I am famously a Chicago Bulls fan 676 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: that grew up in North Dakota as a Minnesota sports fan, 677 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: so I think I also famously had a Utah Jazz 678 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: to win the West ticket that is still, by the way, 679 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: only ten wins away from cashing. Rudy Gobert coming to 680 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: only one of two teams, both of whom are my teams. 681 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: I feel like his penance for how terrible that bet 682 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: was that Rudy's gonna end up on either one of them. 683 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: But Rudy is a great player, like Rudy is a elite, 684 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: elite defensive player. I'm with Matt on the price. I 685 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: think when you look at the price of what Gilbert 686 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: gonna take, look vouch, Kobe and a draft pick is 687 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: the sort of trade that we make as fans to say, well, 688 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: here's some stuff like which is pretty good. Right, he 689 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: was an All Star and Kobe White he was a 690 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: high pick, even though we don't really want him anymore, 691 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: but he was pretty good. And number eighteen, that's a 692 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: draft pick that could be anyone that could be, that 693 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: could be honest, someday, Just take the right guy. He'll 694 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: be right, have our stuff, give us the guy that 695 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: we want. That is kind of how that offer reads 696 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: to me. The Bulls are not rich in assets. The 697 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: Bulls asset is Patrick Williams. That's it. If you're trading 698 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: with Chicago a great player like Rudy Gobert is in 699 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: the regular season, you have to get a big asset. 700 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: And I think Patrick Williams is the asset to get. 701 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: I'll say this, Chad, I'm in Chicago Land. The Bulls 702 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: were a lot of fun to watch this year until 703 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: they all got hurt. If you get Rudy and then 704 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: you get Alex Cruso Alonzo ball healthy on the perimeter, 705 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a really, really good defense. Rudy is 706 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: valuable offensively, the way he opens up as a rim 707 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: runner with Tamar, with Levine hopefully back. I think that 708 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: that's an assumption at this point that team is gonna 709 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: win a lot of games next year. I think the 710 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: reason that you make the trade the reason you give 711 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: up Pat. Even though all that I agree with all 712 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Chad, he's valuable. He's where the modern 713 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: game is going. This is a timeline thing. You're in 714 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: on tomorrow, You're in on Voch. This is the team 715 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: you've come did too. Rudy Gobert makes this version of 716 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: the team way better right now. This is the team 717 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: you committed to. Then I think you just go for 718 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: it all right, Well that's fair. Uh, we've only got 719 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left. Um. Two things that we 720 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: need to get to. One in thirty seconds. Tell me 721 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: where is Kyrie Irving playing next year? Each of you 722 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: gets to answer, and then we need to spend about 723 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: two minutes on NBA futures. Brandon, thirty seconds clock starts. Now, 724 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: where is Kyrie playing next year? I'm taking Kyrie to 725 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: the next just because I don't know. I don't understand. 726 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand Kyrie. I don't understand the next I 727 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: don't understand how it's all gonna work. So sure, of course, 728 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: Kyrie to the next. He's leaving Brooklyn. That seems to 729 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: be done. Maybe it's l a. I just feel like 730 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: Kyrie belongs as a nick just dazzle Madison Square Garden 731 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: crowds every night and route to wins and a play 732 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: off non exit. I think it's a perfect match. Kyrie 733 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: to New York. Matt Moore, you've got thirty seconds. The 734 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: clock is going. Tell me now, where is Kyrie next year? 735 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 1: Venus where he's a fry cook? I'll say the Los 736 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers. That's been rumored for months. There's been a 737 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: lot of smoke around Kyrie making up with Lebron over 738 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: his departure in two thousand and seventeen. There's been a 739 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: lot of conversations about that the Lakers obviously need an 740 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: injection of talent and reconfigure to get back on top. 741 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: Lebron will approve that move. That, to me is the 742 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: simplest answer here, that he's gonna wind up as a 743 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Laker. Very good, Okay, all right, Nixon Lakers. 744 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: Which seems to be the consensus. How those trades we 745 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: put them into our mythical trade machine actually work out, 746 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: nobody really knows. It's a lot of ifs to get there. Um, 747 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about NBA futures for a second. A lot 748 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 1: of conversations about how the market is moving right now. Um, 749 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: and Celtics Warriors at the top. Simon, if you've made 750 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 1: any NBA futures bets, have you heard about NBA futures 751 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: that where the value is right now? Warriors, uh five 752 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: to one, Celtics six and a half to one, Bucks, 753 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: Clippers nets seven to one. I wouldn't touch anything. I'll 754 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: just wait until January February. I bet the Warriors again. 755 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we all know this is gonna play out. 756 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. I'm just a big 757 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: fan of what they are right now, Like a full 758 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: season to Clay Dre Steph, Matt Moore, NBA Futures, bet 759 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: three teams right and then the market opens, because that's 760 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: how I do things about Warriors last year plus twelve hundred. 761 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: So I bet Clippers plus eight fifty sixers plus sixteen hundred, 762 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: uh and the Bucks at plus eight hundred. I'll look 763 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: for a Warrior spot. But like Simon, I think there's 764 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: a shorter I think it's a longer spot somewhere after 765 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: free agency when everyone gets enamored with moves or whatever else. 766 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: I took the three teams. I think that will probably 767 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: shorten and I'm waiting for Golden State to get a 768 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: longer number. Step will have an injury, Draymond al and injury, 769 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: and everyone will freak out and then we'll bet them 770 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 1: then and live during the season at no longer number. 771 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: There you're moving lines because the Bucks are a plus 772 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: seven hundred. I was wrong. The Clippers are a plus 773 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: seven fifty. Looking at vandel six are still a plus six. Brandon, 774 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: one minute, give me your teams that you've bet. NBA 775 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: future Son, I'm just doing one. I like the Bucks. 776 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: I think if you take the playoffs. So we just 777 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: watched and everything we knew going in and played out 778 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: a hundred times. I think the Milwaukee Bucks win the 779 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: championship the most times out of there, Chris Milton stays 780 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: healthy and they get past Boston and seven. I know 781 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: Matt thinks they get past Boston seven if they get there, 782 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: and I think the Bucks are a tough matchup for 783 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: the Warriors. Specifically, they don't have a Janice answer. Nobody 784 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: has a honest answer. I think the Bucks are still 785 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: the best team. Janna's is the best player. He's the 786 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: guy that is unstoppable in the playoffs. That was even 787 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: the case this year. They just ran out of other options. 788 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: So I like Milwaukee. I'm not gonna go hard on it. 789 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: What I learned with futures this year especially is you 790 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: can get up out o price later. You can await 791 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: because the season is eternal, and these numbers are going 792 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: to go up and down. Someone goes eighteen and two, 793 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,959 Speaker 1: someone rips off a winning streak, someone gets injured. They're 794 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: gonna be chances to about the number later. It doesn't 795 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: matter that you're right now. It matters that you get 796 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: the best value. So I like the box, but I 797 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: think that there will be a chance to get them 798 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: at value later in the year. Two. Alright, guys, we've 799 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: covered it all. NBA futures, trade possibilities, betting the NBA 800 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: draft for Matt Moore, for Brandon Anderson, for my bff, 801 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: Simon Hunter, for producer Matt Mitchell. 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