1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Center. Nice to see you. This is going to be 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: a really interesting show because you put out a tweet 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: asking people for questions they may have about what is 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: going to happen with Donald Trump. We're going to go 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: through a lot of those questions for this show. But 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: let's start with kind of laying what this week's going 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: to look like. What is going to happen this week 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and this arraignment. We're being told tenively 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: it would be on Tuesday. Obviously that could change, but 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: we're being told that's what they're working with a secret 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: service right now. Right So, what we know is the 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: New York Grand Jury has returned in an indictment and 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: that it has thirty four counts to the indictment. As 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: we sit here today, we don't know the specific counts. 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: That's still underseal. I assume that's going to be made 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: public at some point, but we haven't seen what specifically 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: the thirty four counts are. We also know from public 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: news reporting that Trump is expected to be arraigned on 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Tuesday at two fifteen pm Eastern Standard time. So assuming 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: that it's correct, we will see concurrent with the arraignment, 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: we will see Trump come in we will see him 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: surrender himself to the authorities in New York. From the 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: public reporting, they're saying there's not going to be a 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: perp walk, that Trump is not going to be in handcuffs. 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: We've also seen public reporting that Secret Service has informed 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: New York they will not allow them to handcuff Donald Trump, 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: so he will come in, presumably of his own volition, 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: without handcuffs. When he comes in, he'll be booked, he'll 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: be fingerprinted, he will be that there will be a 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: mug shot. Interestingly enough, based on some of the reporting, 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: the New York authorities are suggesting the mug shot may 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: not be available to the public, whereas Trump is saying 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: he wants the mug shot to be available to the public. 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: We know that Trump's presidential campaign has raised millions of 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: dollars within the first twenty four hours of the indictment. 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: I think the Trump campaign thinks that that mug shot 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: is probably worth millions more dollars in campaign fundraising. We've 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: talked about how this indictment is likely to boomerang and backlash, 39 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: and that it already is, but all of that will 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: play out on Tuesday. We will, I believe, see the 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: mug shot, and as I predicted on this podcast already, 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: I think you'll see Trump in a beautiful dark blue suit, 43 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: a Chris White shirt, and a red shiny Donald J. 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Trump tie, smiling ear to ear in the mug shot. 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: How abnormal is it to not release some mugshot of 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: somebody because the fact that they're playing this much politics 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: and I think that does go to politics and you're 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: not going to go over procedure. Then you're playing politics. 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: You want to arrest the guy, but you don't want 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: people to see the mug shot that screams dripping a 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: political motivation. It'll be released. That will be the end outcome. 52 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: He will come in, he will plead not guilty. He 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: will be released, presumably on some form of bail, given 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: that New York they believe in in cashless bail, they'll 55 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: release murderers. I don't know, maybe they'll say no, we 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: won't release Donald Trump. Now. They will release him and 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: then they'll move forward towards a trial. So how does 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: the bail process work and how much time from when 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: he gets out of that car walks in there with 60 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: his attorneys. Secret Service will be around, they say. The 61 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: entire time there was there was reporting that everybody in 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: that court day. It basically Tuesday's gonna be shut down. 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Around that time. It'll be empty. It'll be just for 64 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: this situation with Donald Trump. So how do you post bail? 65 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: How fast does that happens? That come from a bank 66 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: account before he even gets there? How does that work? Look, 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: they're not going to drag it out. It's not going 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: to be long and extended, in part because the New 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: York City officials they're concerned about protests, they're concerned about violence. 70 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: They're setting up barricade, so they're not gonna want it. 71 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: In an ordinary case, someone could be there for hours 72 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: and hours and hours. I mean, it's not typically a smooth, 73 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: efficient process. In this case, I expect it will be 74 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: relatively quick that he will go in, he will take 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: the mug shot, they'll take his fingerprints, and he'll go 76 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: and appear before a judge and bail will be set. 77 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Typically they'll turn to the prosecution and ask what's the 78 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: prosecution seeking. In the prosecution will suggest a bail amount. 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if they release him on his 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: own recognisance. It's not like they're worried about Yeah, yeah, 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: it's not like he is a flight risk. So and 82 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: it will be the judge ultimately who decides what the 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: standard is for bail within the parameters of New York law. 84 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: Will he be in a courtroom with a judge or 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: will this be done by video? We saw a lot 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: of that in COVID, where there was technology us right 87 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: where you would go before a judge basically with you know, 88 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: through a video camera when he walks in there, Will 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: they take him into an actual courtroom or how does 90 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: that work? Well, let me be clear, I've never practiced 91 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: law in a New York state courtroom or certainly a 92 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: New York criminal courtroom, so I don't have first experience 93 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: with how Manhattan handles it. But I would absolutely expect 94 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: that we will see this in a courtroom and front 95 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: of a live judge, with a real court reporter in 96 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: bailiff and the rest. All right, so let's ask and 97 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: this is my first question I want to ask you. 98 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: And crazy things have happened in and around Donald Trump. 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: What if Donald Trump decides I don't want to go 100 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: to New York, I don't want to deal with this, 101 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: I don't want to show up for this. What would 102 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: happen then? So that's actually an interesting legal question and 103 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: it implicates a lot of different legal factors. The Constitution 104 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: speaks to it. So the Constitution, there is a clause 105 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: in the Constitution called the extradition Clause. The extradition clause provides, quote, 106 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: a person charged at any state with treason, felony, or 107 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: other crime, who shall flee from justice and be found 108 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: in another state, shall, on demand of the executive authority 109 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: of the state from which he fled, be delivered up 110 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: to be removed to the state having jurisdiction of the crime. Now, 111 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: if you look at the Constitutional Convention, which is where 112 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: the Constitution was drafted, and if you looked at the notes, 113 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: for example, on August twenty eighth, seventeen eighty seven, James 114 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: Madison notes that during the constitutional editing process of Article four, 115 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: which is where the extradition clause is found, that the 116 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: words high misdemeanor were struck out and instead the words 117 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: other crime were inserted, which which comprehended quote all proper cases. 118 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: In other words, they didn't want the state where a 119 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: person was to be found making a determination as to 120 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: the nature of the crime. In the states seeking extradition. 121 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: Now that's in the Constitution. There's a federal statute called 122 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: the Federal Extradition Act, and that's eighteen USC. Section thirty 123 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: one eighty two. It follows very closely to the Constitution's 124 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: extradition Clause. It says, whenever an executive authority of any 125 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: state or territory demands any person as a fugitive from justice, 126 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: and it goes on to say, the executive authority of 127 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: the state to which the person has fled shall cause 128 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: him to be arrested and secured, and notify the executive 129 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: authority making such a demand or the agency of such 130 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: authority appointed to receive the fugitive, and shall cause the 131 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: fugitive to be delivered. And so under the terms of 132 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: the federal statute, it's a mandatory obligation. There's also a 133 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: law called the Uniform Criminal Extradition Act, which is a 134 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: uniform criminal law that forty eight states have adopted, including Florida. 135 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: So there's a Florida state law that puts the obligation 136 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: on the governor quote to have arrested and delivered up 137 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: to the executive any other state of the United States, 138 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: any person charged in that state with trees and felony 139 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: or another crime. Now, it's more than a little interesting 140 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: given that the executive of the state where Donald Trump 141 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: is found, and he said it, made it very clear 142 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: in his statement he would not work with New York City. 143 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: So Rohn de Santis tweeted out the following quote. The 144 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda 145 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: turns the rule of law on its head. It is 146 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: an American the Soros backed Manhattan District attorney has consistently 147 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: bent the law to downgrade felonies and to excuse criminal misconduct. 148 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Yet now he is stretching the law to target a 149 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: political opponent. Florida will not assist in an extradition request 150 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: given the questionable circumstances at issue with this Soros backed 151 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: Manhattan prosecutor at his political agenda, So de Santis is 152 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: suggesting that he would fight extradition of Donald Trump. Now, 153 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if Trump refused to 154 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: show up and DeSantis fought, I think it is likely 155 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: that you would end up seeing Trump extradited. New York 156 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: would likely seek a mandamus and federal district court in 157 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: Florida to order that Trump be extradited. Presumably Florida would 158 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: fight that, but I think given the Constitution, given the 159 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: federal statue, given the Florida statute, it is likely that 160 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: the courts would say that. Well, for example, here's what 161 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said in a case that was called 162 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: the Mexico versus Read. Supreme Court said, quote, what actually 163 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: happened in the demanding state, the law of the demanding state, 164 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: and what may be expected to happen in the demanding 165 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: state that's New York when the fugitive returns are not 166 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: issues that must be tried, or rather are issues that 167 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: must be tried in the courts of that state and 168 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: not in those of the asylum state. So I think 169 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: given the state of the law, if Trump tried to fight, 170 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: if De Santis fought alongside him, they could delay extradition. Yeah, 171 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: but I think at the end of the day, it 172 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: is like you would see extradition happen now assuming Trump 173 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: does what he said, which is that he's going to surrender, 174 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's probably the right decision. To go 175 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: and fight it and beat and beat it in court. 176 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: We won't find it out. But but if if Trump 177 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: were to refuse to show up, it would create a 178 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: brand new legal challenge that that that would be fascinating 179 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: and difficult something like that if it did happen and 180 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: played out that way. Is that something that could possibly 181 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: go all the way that spring Court to go ruling? 182 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: It could? Sure, Sure it could, And given the nature 183 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: of a presidential campaign, it's entirely possible that it would. 184 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: As I said, I think it's likely not to be 185 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: teed up because Trump has said he's going to turn 186 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: himself in, and at the end of the day, I'm 187 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: not sure it's in Trump's interest or to Santas's interest 188 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: to drag this out for six months and then lose 189 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: and be forced to do the same thing that that 190 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that calculus, it's gonna 191 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: be Trump that makes the decision. If you and show up, 192 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: that'll tee this up. But given the state of the law, 193 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: I assume Trump's lawyers are advising him, You're not likely 194 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: to win the argument that I get to be a 195 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: fugitive from justice because I don't like the indictment. You're 196 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: on much stronger grounds going and fighting the indictment and 197 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: saying this is a political witch hunt, rather than being 198 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: in fact a fugitive from justice. I think that both 199 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: legally and politically is a bad look, which is why 200 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't expect Trump to do that. It's very interesting 201 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: to think about it, and it's when it doesn't not 202 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: a Trump. You never know exactly what's going to happen. 203 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Yet you never know. And I will say sometimes history 204 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: has a sense of humor. You know. I'm reminded back 205 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: in two thousand and as you know, I was a 206 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: baby lawyer, was part of the George W. Bush campaign, 207 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: met Heidi on the campaign, and I was part of 208 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: the legal team in Tallahassee and Bush versus Gore and 209 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: the entire presidency came down to that. Those legal proceedings 210 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: also five hundred and thirty seven votes for George W. 211 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Bush over al Gore. One of the bizarre aspects of 212 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: it is the governor of the state that the entire 213 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: presidency hinged upon was Jeb Bush, the brother of one 214 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: of the two governors. I remember laughing saying, you know, 215 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: if you wrote this as a novel, no one would 216 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: publish it. They say, come on, this is stupid. If 217 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: you submitted a screenplay, they laugh at You know, you 218 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: don't get to make the governor of the key state 219 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: the brother of one of the candidates. It's kind of 220 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: similar here. No, you don't get to make the governor 221 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: of the state that would decide what to do on 222 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: extradition the leading Republican rival of the guy presumably being 223 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: extradited and sometime make history. You can't make it up. 224 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: It's amazing. I want to get some of these questions 225 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter, A lot of really good questions. We're responding 226 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: when we said, hey, we'll answer these questions. Before we 227 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: get that, I want to tell you about our friends 228 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: over at Patriot Mobile. 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It says, does 253 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: Trump have any recourse if after his walk of shame 254 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: slash mug shot, the case fizzles out. It's a great 255 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: question because it's like, it seems so biased, it seems 256 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: so political, it seems so unfair. Does he have any 257 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: recourse that this thing doesn't work out for brack So, 258 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: his recourses are very limited and they're primarily political. Legally, 259 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: his principal resource would be under a law called forty 260 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: two USC. Section nineteen eighty three, so section nineteen eighty 261 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: three and enables it says, every person who undercover undercolor 262 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: of any statute, ordinance, regulation, customer usage, in other words, 263 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: undercolor of state law causes the deprivation of any rights, privileges, 264 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: or immunities secured by the Constitution or laws, shall be 265 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: liable to the party injured in inaction at law. What 266 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: in section nineteen eighty three enables you to do is 267 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: that if a state or local official violates your constitutional rights, 268 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: you can sue that state or local official for violating 269 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: your constitutional rights. Section nineteen eighty three is the primary 270 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: vehicle of most civil rights lawsuits. Section nineteen eighty three 271 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: is actually part of what was called the ku klux 272 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: Klans laws, which were passed in the wake of the 273 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: Civil War and in the wake of the Fourteenth Amendment. 274 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Section nineteen eighty three was one of the enforcement mechanisms 275 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: of the Fourteenth Amendment. After the Civil War, there were 276 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: three landmark amendments that were adopted. The Thirteenth Amendment, which 277 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: ended slavery, the Fourteenth Amendment, which ensures due process of 278 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: law and equal protection of law, and was their designed 279 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: to protect the rights principally of the slaves who had 280 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: just been freed, but also of everyone else. It applied 281 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: across the board. And then the fifteenth Amendment guaranteed the 282 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: right to vote couldn't be denied based on race, and 283 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: so the three were adopted together following the Civil War. 284 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: Trump could bring in nineteen eighty three lawsuit, there'd be 285 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: a number of challenges. Number one, if he tried to 286 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: sue Alvin Bragg personally, he'd be extremely unlikely to succeed. 287 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: The courts interpret seems unfair by the way I understand, 288 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: but the courts interpret prosecutorial immunity very very broadly. It's 289 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: been referred to in numerous instances as absolute. And you 290 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: know you can say it seems unfair. But I will 291 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: give you the flip side of that, which is every 292 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: day people are prosecuted all across the country. And if 293 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: you could sue the DA for every prosecution they brought, 294 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,119 Speaker 1: every murderer, every drug dealer, you would face an unlimited 295 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: number of lawsuits. And you got to think about it, 296 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson, would you serve as DA? Now if every 297 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: murderer you you prosecuted, could sue Ben Ferguson personally and 298 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: take your house and take your car. You've got a 299 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: fancy to a car parked outside you don't want Yeah, yeah, 300 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna take that shot. Well played. No, 301 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: it's but it's true. You would not take that job. 302 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: You would say, I can't afford this, I can't afford 303 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: the legal I can't afford the time it takes. So 304 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: that does make sense. So there's a reason prosecutors and 305 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: judges both have been given absolute immunity with very very 306 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: few exceptions because of that proposition. What you can do, though, 307 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: is you can sue the office. So you could sue 308 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: the District Attorney in the official capacity, not your personal capacity, 309 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: which means that judgment would not be paid out of 310 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: District Attorney Ben Ferguson's personal bank account, but rather out 311 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: of the day the District attorney for Manhattan. The challenges 312 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: of suing the office, though, are quite significant, and I 313 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: actually litigated a case where we were dealing with exactly this. 314 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: It's a case called Conic versus Thompson, and it dealt 315 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: with an individual named John Thompson who was prosecuted for 316 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: murder in New Orleans and he was convicted of capital 317 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: murder and he was sent to death row, and it 318 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: was a wrongful conviction. John Thompson was innocent of the murder, 319 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: and the District Attorney's office in New Orleans they had 320 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: blood evidence that could have exonerated him, and they never 321 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: gave that blood evidence to John Thompson. There's a Supreme 322 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Court decision called Brady, which which requires that prosecutors have 323 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: to give the defendants any exculpatory evidence, any evidence they 324 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: have that could prove their innocent, they have to hand 325 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: it over in the DA's office. It didn't do it, 326 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: and so they convicted him. They sent John Thompson to 327 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: death row. And ultimately his lawyers actually through like pricking 328 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: his fingers, they took a DNA test, they got access 329 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: to the blood evidence, and they proved he was innocent. 330 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: And so John Thompson was released from death row, but 331 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: he'd spent fourteen years on death row for a crime 332 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: he didn't commit. Well after he was released, I wasn't 333 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: part of the criminal trial. I got involved. After he 334 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: was released. He filed a lawsuit against the District Attorney 335 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: in New Orleans and he won. He won fourteen million dollars, 336 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: a million dollars for every year of the fourteen years 337 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: he was wrongfully incarcerated. That case went up to the 338 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and I was in private practice at the time. 339 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: I was at a firm called Morgan Lewis, one of 340 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: the biggest law firms in the country, and I was 341 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: leading their Supreme Court practice and their national pellet practice. 342 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: And two of my law partners had been representing John 343 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Thompson for years pro bono, doing it for free, and 344 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: so they brought me in to assist on the Supreme 345 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: Court case, and I spent a lot of time working 346 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: with my partners on the Supreme Court case. We went 347 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: to the court, I was at the argument seating at 348 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Council chamber. My partner argued the case. Unfortunately, we lost 349 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: five four and five four. The Supreme Court throughout the 350 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: judgment because they said there was not a pattern in 351 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: practice that was so pervasive in the office of refusing 352 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: to hand over Brady materials that they were not going 353 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: to hold the office liable all of just to say, 354 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: Trump could presumably sue, but the chances of succeeding in 355 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit afterwards are very slim. There would be 356 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: serious legal impediments to winning interesting, especially if you are 357 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: on death row for fourteen years. You can't win that one. Yeah, 358 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: this is obviously seems a much lower level of chance 359 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: of success. Let's go to another question, and again everybody's 360 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: in these end. You guys are amazing with us. Another 361 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: one is are the charges that Trump was indicted for 362 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: politically based or based on actual evidence? Does the indictment 363 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: warrant further investigation? And what legal options does Trump have 364 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: for responding to the indictment. Well, look, the indictment I 365 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: believe is wholly political. I think it is baseless. We 366 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: don't know the exact terms. But what we do know 367 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: is we know what we think the case is based on, right, 368 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: and I think the case is based on a specific 369 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: New York law. It's New York Penal Law one seven 370 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: five dot zero five. Now that's a law that makes 371 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: it a misdemeanor to essentially create a false business record. 372 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 1: It defines it a little more legal ease, but it's 373 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: creating a false business record. Now there's an obvious problem 374 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: with this, which is a misdemeanor. The misdemeanor under New 375 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: York law has a two year statute of limitations. The 376 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: conduct here occurred in twenty sixteen and The conduct, as 377 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: we understand it, that this is all based on, is 378 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: an alleged payment of one hundred and thirty thousand dollars 379 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: made by Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump's personal attorney, to 380 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels, the porn star who alleges she had an 381 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: affair with Donald Trump and that the money was hush 382 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: money for her to keep quiet. And this is in 383 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: the middle of the presidential campaign Trump is running against Hillary. 384 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: It obviously would have been not good politically for a 385 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: scandal to break right in the middle of this of 386 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: an affair with a porn star. It's not illegal under 387 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: New York law to have an affair with a porn star. 388 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: It's not even illegal under New York law to pay 389 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: hush money to a porn star. All of that. You 390 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: can decide what you like about the underlying alleged conduct, 391 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: but it's not illegal in New York. What is allegedly 392 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: illegal is that when Michael Cohen delivered one hundred and 393 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars to Stormy Daniels, it was recorded on 394 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: the records for Trump as legal fees, when it was 395 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: not in fact legal fees. It was hush money payments 396 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: to the porn star. Now I said this was a misdemeanor, 397 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: So how is Alvin Bragg bringing it it's beyond two years. Well, 398 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: there's a second statute. It's New York Penal law one 399 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: seven five one zero. That makes it a felony with 400 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: a longer statute of limitations. If the false business record 401 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: was created in order to aid in the commission of 402 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: another crime, so to get it from misdemeanor to felony, 403 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: to get the statute of limitations longer, Alvin Bragg has 404 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: to somehow bootstrap that this allegedly false business record was 405 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: done to facilitate another crime. We don't know what other 406 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: crime he's going to claim. Presumably the most likely other 407 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: crime is some sort of federal campaign finance violation that 408 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: it was hiding what the money was being spent for. 409 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly sure. We do know that the 410 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: Department of Justice the Southern District of New York investigated 411 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: a federal campaign finance violation on this and decided not 412 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: to prosecute. We also know that the Federal Elections Commissions 413 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: investigated the conduct underlying this to see if there was 414 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: a violation and decided not to prosecute. So at this point, 415 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg is presumably taking a federal crime that no 416 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: federal official thinks is sufficient to prosecute, and using that 417 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: to try to bootstrap a state crime into a felony 418 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: to go after Donald Trump. I think the entire thing 419 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: is crap and one of the most important points, and 420 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: it's one I've made a couple of times on this podcast. 421 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: If this is a crime, if this is a felony 422 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: that someone should go to jail four, then Hillary Clinton 423 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: committed the exact same crime because at the exact same time, 424 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's campaign paid over a million dollars. You're an 425 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: exaggerating to see exact same twenty sixteen presidential campaign. Her 426 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: campaign was making the Steel dossier. The Democrat Natural Committee 427 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: was helping pay for this, She was paying for this 428 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: out of the campaign finance, you know, their campaign. She 429 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: had lawyers involved that we're doing this and trying to 430 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: sell this. Literally it's exact same time frame. So her 431 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: campaign spent over one million dollars to create the Steel dossier. 432 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: The Steel Dossier, you remember, is this scurlous and scandalous 433 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: dossier assembled in Europe that that alleged all these things 434 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: that Trump had done, including the famous pe tape, all 435 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: of which was fiction, all of which was false. It 436 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: was made up, brought to you, paid for by the 437 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: Democratic Party and Hillary for president. It was and Hillary 438 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: Clinton campaign recorded that over million dollars as legal fees. 439 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: So if recording something as legal fees that is not 440 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: legal fees in the context of a presidential campaign is 441 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: criminal in Manhattan, then Hillary Clinton, a resident of New York, 442 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: committed the same crime at the exact same time twenty 443 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: sixteen in the exact same place, Manhattan, New York. There 444 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: is no coherent way, all right. If Alvin Bragg wants 445 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: to indict Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump side by side, 446 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: then they can both. Then he can lose both cases. 447 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: But that at least is marginally consistent. If he only 448 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: indicts Donald Trump, everyone gets the joke. He hates Trump. 449 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: He's a left wing Democrat, and by any means necessary 450 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: as his approach. I want to tell you about our 451 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: friends at Augusta Precious Metals. It is crazy what's happening 452 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: in our economy right now. It's crazy what's happening with 453 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: many people's retirement accounts. 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I want to get to 471 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: another question real quick that it came in. What are 472 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: the chances of dismissal? And if found innocent, can the 473 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: d A face being disbarred? So I think the chances 474 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: of dismissal are high. It will depend on what trial 475 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: court they get there are some partisan Democrat trial judges 476 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: in New York, so it is possible they get a 477 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: high highly partisan trial judge who refuses to dismiss the claims. 478 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: If they have a trial judge who follows the law, 479 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: I think this ought to be dismissed at trial court. 480 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: If not, it should be thrown out on appeal. But 481 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: if it's not dismissed at the trial court, there will 482 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: almost assuredly be a motion to dismiss the indictment, a 483 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: fight early on in the trial court. If it's not 484 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: dismissed in the trial court, I expect an appeal and 485 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: any appellate court following the law I think will throw 486 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: this out. I think this will ultimately be rejected. How 487 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: long does this last? Then? That's I mean, you've got 488 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: a presidential campaign here. Look, it depends, but you know, 489 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: prosecutions can drag on for months and years. It depends 490 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: how quickly the New York courts operate. But it is 491 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: easy to see this lasting for many months, and it 492 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: could conceivably last beyond election Day twenty twenty four, which 493 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 1: brings me to a question I have to ask as 494 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: a follow up, Donald Trump, let's say gets elected, he 495 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: becomes president United States of America again for another four years. Yeah, 496 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: January twentieth, he's scorn in January twenty first he is convicted. 497 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: What happens then? Look if he's convicted, and let's assume 498 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: for a second he's convicted and sentenced to jail. I 499 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. Let's be clear. This 500 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: is a hypothetical that I think is falls but there 501 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: is nothing in the Constitution to prevent a president from 502 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: serving while in jail. So for anyone who thinks, is 503 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: that because they never could have imagined the scenario that 504 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: we're living in right now. Yes, yes, Look, I think 505 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: that's a significant part of it that they didn't. In division, 506 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: the legal system being weaponized, I mean, as you know, 507 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: I wrote an entire book just a few months ago 508 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: on this topic, Justice Corrupted, How the Left is weaponized 509 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: the legal system. Haven't bought the book? Go by the 510 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: book because it talks about Alvin Bragge, It talks about 511 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: DJ it talks about the FBI. It lays out this problem. 512 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: The reason I wrote the book I saw what Obama 513 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: had done, what the deep Stata had done against Trump. 514 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: I saw what Joe Biden and Merritt Garland were doing. 515 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: I saw what Alvin Bragg had done. This has been 516 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: coming a long time. The Framers never envisioned the system 517 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: being used by that. But in terms of so, there's 518 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: some people who are saying, well, gosh, does the indictment 519 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: mean Trump can't run? Let me tell you. Article two 520 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: of the Constitution specifies the grounds to serve as president. 521 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: They're three. What Constitution says is no person except a 522 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: natural born citizen, which Trump is, shall be eligible to 523 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: the office of the President. Neither shall any person be 524 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: eligible to that office who shall not have attained the 525 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: age of thirty five years. Trump is over thirty five 526 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. 527 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: Those are the three criteria under the Constitution. You gotta 528 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: be a natural born citizen, at least the five years old, 529 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: and have been fourteen years a resident in the United States. 530 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: Trump meets all three of those, so he is eligible 531 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: to run for president. He's eligible to serve as president. Now, 532 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: there is potentially one other ground that could make someone 533 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: ineligible to serve for president. That is under the Fourteenth Amendment. 534 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: Under Section three of the Fourteenth Amendment, it provides no 535 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: person shall be a senator, representative in Congress, or elector 536 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: of the President or Vice president, or hold any office 537 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: under the United States, who, having previously taken an oath 538 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have 539 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given 540 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: aid and comfort to the enemies thereof. So this is 541 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: something in the fever swamps of the left, the Democratic side, 542 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: they get great joy of. Okay, Trump will be barred 543 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: from running for serving as president under section three of 544 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: the fourteenth Amendment, and is at least conceivable there will 545 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: be lawsuits arguing Trump is ineligible under section three of 546 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: the fourteenth Amendment and arguing that under that what happened 547 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: on January six qualified as to use the constitutional language 548 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: on insurrection or rebellion. That's why Democrats use the word 549 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: insurrection so much, over and over and over again. That's 550 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: not going to succeed. I think it is highly unlikely 551 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: to succeed. We might see a prosecution from the Biden 552 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: Justice Department, the special prosecutor that's investigating Trump might bring 553 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: a prosecution for insurrection or rebellion or giving aid in 554 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: comfort to the enemies thereof. But there has been no prosecution. 555 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: So excluding that if he if he was convicted of 556 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: another crime, that does not mean that he is ineligible. 557 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: Because the United States could commit murder. Joe Biden could 558 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: walk into the office of his chief of staff and 559 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: kill his chief of staff on national television. Joe Biden 560 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: could be prosecuted and sentenced to life in prison, and 561 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: if nothing else happened, Joe Biden would remain the President 562 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: of the United States. Wow. Now, the natural step that 563 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: would happen in that hypothetical is the House of Representatives 564 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: would impeach Joe Biden for having committed high crimes and misdemeanors. 565 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: And in that instance, presumably the Senate would convict him 566 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: and remove him from office. But that's how you remove 567 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: a president from office, is It's not it's not the conviction, 568 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: it's what you do afterwards in Congress that would make 569 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: you ineligible to be president. Simply a murder conviction, simply 570 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: a life life imprisonment sentence would not automatically remove you 571 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: from from the office. It would take the Senate convicting 572 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: in an impeachment. Interesting, let's get to another question here, 573 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: another one that came through. When are we going to 574 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: see indictments against the Clintons slash Bidens. I mean, the 575 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: whole world has seen the evidence. What more is needed? 576 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: I think this goes back to Hunter Biden, James Biden, 577 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: that the Biden crime family continues to expand. People see 578 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: the laptop, they see the money, they see the suspicious 579 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: activity reports, and there does seem to be two different 580 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: systems of justice in this country. If you're a Democrat, 581 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: you get a pass if your Republican will make up 582 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,719 Speaker 1: crimes against you to shut you up. I mean, how 583 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: we had somebody that went to jail the other day 584 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: there was convicted because they made a meme of Hillary 585 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: Clinton about Hillary Clinton. And people see that and they say, 586 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: we're not safe in this country if you're a Republican 587 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: and the system can come after you. But Democrats, it's 588 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: good to go do whatever you want to do. Look, 589 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: if you look at the conduct Hillary Clinton committed, it 590 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: was all together different from this sort of conduct, and actually, 591 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: as it concerns false business records, it was identical and 592 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: ten x worse. In other words, Trump is alleged to 593 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: have done so with one hundred and thirty thousand. Hillary 594 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: Clinton is admitted to have done so with over a 595 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: million dollars the Bidens. We've talked at great length on 596 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: this podcast about the evidence of corruption by the Biden family. 597 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: It is significant. I believe the Biden DOJ wants to 598 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: get nowhere near it. I don't believe they're investigating it. 599 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't believe they're looking at it. I Merrick Garland's 600 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: plan was to indict Donald Trump for improperly having classified 601 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: documents at Marlago. I think they were very excited. I 602 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: think they were. They had started, they had leaked. They 603 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: were going to indict Hunter Biden for drug and tax issues, 604 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: which don't implicate his father or the family corruption, just 605 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: say poor troubled soul with a substance abuse problem. I 606 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: think Merrick Garland wanted to do that in order to 607 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: show how even handed he was. Look, I'm indicting a Biden, 608 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm inditing a Trump. See it's right in the middle. 609 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Then a funny thing happened on the way to the forum, 610 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: which as we discovered that Joe Biden had classified documents 611 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: stored seemingly in every mode the orifice he had, Like, 612 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Biden leaves classified documents everywhere. It 613 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: started to become almost a comedy of error as one 614 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: after the other after the other was discovered. What it 615 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: created was a legal and even more significantly, a political 616 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: problem for Merrick Garland in that Now, now I think 617 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: Garland understands if DOJ indicts Donald Trump for classified documents 618 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: at Marlago, it is indefensible not to indict Joe Biden 619 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: for the same thing, and so I think they feel 620 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: just stuck. Right now, we've talked about the special counsel 621 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: who's been appointed to investigate the Biden classified documents. The 622 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: real question that will indicate whether that special counsel is 623 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: fulfilling his oath is whether he's willing to investigate and 624 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: does in fact investigate the connections of corruption back to 625 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden himself, or whether he seals him off and 626 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: doesn't look at the corruption. I hope they do. I 627 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: have to say, my level of optimism that the Biden 628 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: DOJ will investigate or prosecute the Biden family corruption is extremely, 629 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: extremely low. I want to get to one other question 630 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: before we get to my orchist because I want to 631 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: make sure we leave time for that and what he 632 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: had to say on sixteen minutes. But the last one. 633 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: Here's a thread and I kind of want you to 634 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: go through it so people understand, and this is an 635 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: important one. So this is an individual. So we had 636 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: when we put out on Twitter said you have questions 637 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: about the Trump indictment. We had a lot of good questions, 638 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: a number of which we went through in this podcast. 639 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: We also had trolls on the left who just kind 640 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: of had fun, and that's fine. I enjoyed trolls. I 641 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: have to admit Twitter would be more bully boring without 642 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: the trolls. I enjoy jousting with lefties. It's it's you know, 643 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: it's usually like shooting fish in a barrel. But in 644 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: this instance, this person, presumably from the left, sent sent 645 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: out a tweet that is copying an earlier tweet I 646 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: had sent that said elected officials, no matter how high 647 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: their position, should be held accountable for criminal conduct. The 648 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: rule of law matters. And this individual says, my question 649 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: is this you haha lefty? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got him. Well, 650 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: this was actually part of a threat of tweets that 651 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: I had sent about Hillary Clinton. So if you look 652 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: at the thread, the first email, this was on October 653 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty sixteen, which is Americans already know Hillary 654 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: Clinton a lifelong pattern of corruption, and I linked to 655 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: a detailed summary of that lifelong pattern. The second tweet 656 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: was it's abundantly clear her handling of classified info and 657 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: a private email server was grossly negligent, as the FBI 658 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: admitted this summer. You remember James come at his press 659 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: conference admitting she'd violated the law and it was grossly negligent. 660 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: And then the third tweet was elected officials, no matter 661 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: how high their position, should be held accountable for criminal conduct. 662 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: The rule of law matters. Every bit of that is 663 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: absolutely right. And with Hillary Clinton, you saw a repeated 664 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: pattern of criminal behavior. And you also saw a repeated 665 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 1: pattern of the destruction of evidence, including wiping hard drives, 666 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: including using hammers to smash cell phones to destroy the evidence. 667 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: By the way, as a legal matter, if you destroy evidence, 668 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: you are entitled to presume that that is because the 669 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: evidence would have implicated you in a crime. In this instance, 670 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: the alleged crime that Alvin Bragg is bringing of a 671 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: book keeping error is number one trivial, number two past 672 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: the statute of limitations, and number three obviously pretextual to 673 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: say the rule of law matters. Look, there's a concommit 674 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: and aspect to it, which is, when you are prosecuting 675 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: a government official, particularly a government official of the opposing party, 676 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: there is an obligation that you have a standard that 677 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: this really mattered, that this be a real and significant violation, 678 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: that it not be some tikie tack. Aha. I got 679 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: video of you going fifty six miles an hour and 680 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: a fifty five we're coming to put you away. That 681 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: principle is absolutely true, and listen. I'm not advocating that 682 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: Biden be prosecuted for tikie tack irrelevant issues. I'm interested 683 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: in whether he was engaged in actual corruption with the 684 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: government of the Chinese Communist government that was enriching himself 685 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: and his family to the tune of millions of dollars. 686 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: That's classic public corruption. It is significant, it is consequential, 687 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: and the corporate media and the Democrats desperately want to 688 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: avoid any inquiry to that. I don't expect the DOJ 689 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: to get into it. I do expect the House of 690 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: Representatives to continue to press forward with oversight and make 691 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: those facts public and decided if someone's going to try 692 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: to troll you, they should at least read the whole 693 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: Twitter thread before they do it. Public service announcement there, 694 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: you know. Oddly enough, trolls are rarely known for their 695 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: diligence and attention to detail. Yeah, I want to talk 696 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: about Americus real quick. The border. 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Let's talk about what's been happening 716 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: with my artist of the border. You talk to him 717 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: about what was going out the border. It's now becoming, 718 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: I think a political liability for the Biden administration when 719 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: you see the media asking questions that they refuse to answer. 720 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: One of those happened on sixty minutes, and I won't 721 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: people to see what was said to take a look. 722 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: The chief of the Border Patrol Role Ortiz, testified with 723 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: poor Congress that some areas of the border are in 724 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: a crisis situation. Do you agree? I think that we 725 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: face a very serious challenge in certain parts of the border. 726 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: Do you view what's happening right now and the border 727 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: is a crisis? I view it as a significant challenge. 728 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: Why won't you say the word crisis? You know what? 729 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: Because I have tremendous faith in the people of the 730 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security, and a crisis speaks to me 731 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: of a withdrawal from our mission. And we are only 732 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: putting more force and more energy into it. I don't 733 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: believe him. I think you would probably agree that. I 734 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: also think at some point you just look like an 735 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: idiot when you won't admit what everybody's watching. You know, 736 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: we're looking at now over six million illegal immigrants have 737 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: crossed under his watch. Under Joe Biden's presidency, It's the 738 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: worst illegal immigration in our nation's history. We have had 739 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: also massive spikes in the number of illegal grants dying 740 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: on the border under his watch. We had the highest 741 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: rate of drug overdoses last year in our nation's history. 742 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: Over one hundred thousand Americans died of drug overdoses, the 743 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: vast majority from Chinese fentinol flooding across the border. And 744 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: he doesn't consider any of that a crisis. Look, what 745 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: he's doing is obvious. It's political. He is engaging in 746 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: political spin. Someone is giving him a talking point that 747 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: if you say the word crisis, it's bad politics, and 748 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: so he engages an absolute denial of reality. You know, 749 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: it really was striking sixty minutes. Their cross examination is 750 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: almost word for word the cross examination I did a 751 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: week earlier in the Senate Judiciary Committee. Here, take a look, 752 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: is there a crisis at our southern border. Senator, there 753 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: is a very that's a yes or no. Is there 754 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: a crisis? Senator, there's a very significant channel. I think 755 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: your microphone is not on. There is a very significant 756 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: challenge that we are face. Yes or no, there are 757 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: a crisis. I believe I've addressed that question. So you're 758 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: refusing to answer, center, there is a very significant challenge, 759 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: and will you answer if there's a crisis. Therefore we 760 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: are dedicating the resource. Okay, So you're refusing to answer. 761 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: It reminds me of my kids arguing with Siri when 762 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: they're trying to get Siri to do something for them. 763 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: He refused five times, so five times in a row. 764 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: I ask him, as there are a crisis, now no, 765 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: he won't say no yeah, and he won't say yes yeah. 766 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,439 Speaker 1: When you ask is there a crisis, he says there's 767 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: a significant challenge. It was clear some little pip squeak 768 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: political staff or gave a talking point when everyone asks 769 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: a crisis, say there's a significant challenge. I think it's 770 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: a mistake not to answer questions. He's a horrible witness, 771 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: but it says something that even the press sixty minutes. 772 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean to see sixty minutes, laughing, saying 773 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 1: why would you admit it's a crisis like Look later 774 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: in my questioning is as you know, I got very 775 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: angry with Mayorcas, and I am very angry with Mayorcas 776 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: because for me this is personal. Look, I represent thirty 777 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: million Texans. I'm down on the border. I see the 778 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: people in South Texas that are suffering. I've seen the 779 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: children who are physically assaulted. I've seen the women who've 780 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,959 Speaker 1: been raped. I've seen the human carnage. I've seen dead 781 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: bodies floating in the rio. Grand the wristbands that you 782 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: showed at the hearing the other week, which he didn't 783 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: know what they were, yeah, I have to say in 784 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: the entire hearing, that was the moment that stunned me 785 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: the most. When I put up the wristbands. That wasn't 786 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: meant to be a gotcha question. I was going to 787 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: ask him about how tragic it was that the cartels 788 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: are putting color coded wristbands on the wrists of almost 789 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: every illegal immigrant to correspond to how many thousands of 790 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: dollars they owe. That they treat them like human cattle. 791 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: They treat them like cargo. They trapped the teenage boys 792 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: and working for the drug dealers and cities across America 793 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: they trapped the teenage girls and sex slavery. All of 794 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 1: that is horrific, which I intended to ask him about, 795 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: but I was stunned when he said, I don't know 796 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: what those risk bands are like you have literally not 797 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,760 Speaker 1: even pretended to do your job. If that's the case, 798 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: because it means when you stand on the banks of 799 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: the Rio Grand you see them covering the grass, You 800 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: look down and just see hundreds, you see thousands of them. 801 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: You see little ones that are clearly on little kids, 802 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: that are on four or five six year old kids. 803 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,240 Speaker 1: When you talk to border patrol agents. What it means 804 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: if he was telling the truth, if he wasn't lying. 805 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was lying when he said 806 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: he didn't know what those were, But if he was 807 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: telling the truth, it means he hasn't bothered in two 808 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: years on the job to sit down with his agents 809 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,840 Speaker 1: say hey, what's happening? And I got to say his 810 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: defense in sixty minutes. Well, I won't say it's a 811 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: crisis because it's I believe in in my agents. What 812 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: a steaming pile of crap. I gotta tell you, his 813 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,720 Speaker 1: agents don't believe in him. I talk to his agents, 814 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: They'll all tell you it's a crisis. Every one of 815 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: them will tell you it's a crisis, and it's a 816 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 1: crisis because of him, and it's a crisis because of 817 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I'm going to make a prediction within six months, 818 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: may Orchis will be out of his job. Really, I 819 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: don't know if he'll resign or if Biden will fire him, 820 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: but I think the Democrats have decided to make Mayorcis 821 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: the scapegoat, even sending him out on sixty minutes. And 822 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: it looks like the media is clearly kind of starting 823 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: to become done with him. And I want to show 824 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: this last clip because it proves that point. Look, but 825 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: the DHS estimates another six hundred thousand people evaded agents 826 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: and entered the US illegally, the highest number in over 827 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,720 Speaker 1: a decade. What the American people see is a border 828 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,439 Speaker 1: that looks to be chaotic, that looks to be porous. Well, 829 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: let's I mean, the number of people that are arriving 830 00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: at our border is at an extraordinary height, There's no 831 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: question about that. But that is not unique to the 832 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: southern border. Of the United States. There is a tremendous 833 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: amount of movement throughout the hemisphere and in fact throughout 834 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: the world. The fact that even sixty minutes would show 835 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: those images tells you that the tide is turning. But 836 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: then also the fact that he's got such a terrible 837 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: response to their question with video evidence tells you something else. Well, look, 838 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: it's the talking point of the Democrats. We saw this 839 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,919 Speaker 1: at the hearing with Mayorchis and Judiciary where they also 840 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: this is not Biden's fault. There was illegal immigration before Biden, 841 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: and it's a problem elsewhere in the world. It's all 842 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: part of It's not our fault, not our fault. We 843 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong except for one very inconvenient fact. 844 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, the last year of Trump's presidency, we 845 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: had the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty five years. 846 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 1: The instant Joe Biden became president, the rates skyrocketed that week, Yeah, skyrocketed. 847 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: We now have the highest rate ever recorded. We went 848 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: from the lowest rate in forty five years to the 849 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: highest rate ever recorded. We went instantaneously because of Joe 850 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 1: Biden and Alhandro, may Orcus's decisions and I told you 851 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 1: the moment at the Judiciary hearing when I really realized, Wow, 852 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats have decided they found their scapegoat, and he's 853 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: a bald Cuban in the cabinet. Which is when may 854 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: Orcus was getting pummeled by me and he looked to 855 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: Dick Durban, the chairman of the committee, and said, mister chairman, 856 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,720 Speaker 1: will you help me? And Durban I've spent eleven years 857 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: tangling with Durban. He loves to argue with me. I 858 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: actually love to argue with them. We have been in 859 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: there pounding on each other many times. He just looked 860 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: and kind of shrugged and was like, didn't say a word, 861 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, start what you were expecting it? Durbin? 862 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: All right? If it had been Merrick Garland, who done 863 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 1: the exact same thing, Durban would have jumped in and 864 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: started arguing with me, which is what he always does. There. 865 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: You can google and find a dozen videos of Durban 866 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: jumping in and arguing with me when I'm questioning a 867 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,720 Speaker 1: witness and it's a Democrat witness, a Biden cabinet member 868 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: or Obama cabinet member, and they're taking on water. It's 869 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: not going well for them. Durban like clockwork will jump 870 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: in and try to protect them, and the fact that 871 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 1: he just kind of shrugged and it's like nope, you're 872 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,280 Speaker 1: on your own, buddy. It's said to me, Wow, Okay, 873 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: they've made a decision. He's their guy. This is a problem, 874 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: and he's the fall guy. Within six months, I think 875 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: may Orcus is gone. It's gonna be a big week 876 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,399 Speaker 1: in political history. It's gonna be very interesting to see 877 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: what happens, how this plays out in New York. I 878 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: can promise you this. We will be covering it on Verdict, 879 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 1: So make sure that subscribe button, hit that auto download button. 880 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: Remember if you're watching this, we do two audio only versions, 881 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: so subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. You can tell 882 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: Syria or Alexa play Verdict with tech Cruz. It will 883 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: play it for you automatically. We will be on top 884 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: of it all this week. 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