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Speaker 1: and Out podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing well out there

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Speaker 1: in the real world. And today we're going to react

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Speaker 1: his loyalty to the Raiders, spy tech pulling the trigger,

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Speaker 1: So this is a busy, busy time for GMS assistant

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Speaker 1: talking football, talking free agency, and love this time of year.

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Speaker 1: So it gives us a little couple of weeks to

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Speaker 1: this kind of sets the tone for what teams like,

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Speaker 1: and some teams don't. So we will dive into it

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Speaker 1: But to me, Khalil not that he wasn't passionate about

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Speaker 1: I think Warren Sharp tweeted this out. He's the analytic

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Speaker 1: That's why Khalil Mack was traded. Once upon a time.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders did not have the financial wherewithal to give

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Speaker 1: him the contract. The Bears did that. They couldn't give

431
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Speaker 1: him the signing bonus. It was a financial situation. It

432
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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the player or the person.

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Speaker 1: It was one hundred percent money. Well, I know money's

434
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Speaker 1: not an issue with the Eagles. Their owner fucking gives

435
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Speaker 1: it out like it's grown on trees. So you go,

436
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: is Howie not into sweet defensive linemen? That's definitely not

437
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Speaker 1: the case. Never forget he felt to nine for a reason.

438
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: He was the best player in his draft by a

439
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: country model. We've seen him when he's healthy on the field.

440
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: He is a dominant NFL player, So why wouldn't they

441
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Speaker 1: resign him run. If they do, you have Big Tom,

442
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: you have four or five Georgia defenders on your team

443
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: that played with him in college. Because if you don't,

444
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: you should not be interested. It's really that simple. And

445
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Speaker 1: if Howie is able to unload Jalen Carter for a Hall,

446
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: he is, He's truly one of the great general managers

447
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: in the history of league. And I get it, talent

448
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: Trump's all, but these teams, I just think most of

449
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: these teams would have no shot with the infrastructure to

450
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Speaker 1: handle what they'd be getting in business with, especially given

451
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Speaker 1: that part of trading for him, which would not be cheap,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of draft capital, would then force

453
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Speaker 1: you to give him a historic NFL contract. So I

454
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Speaker 1: just think that some of these teams, if he's able

455
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Speaker 1: to offload him, that should tell you everything you need

456
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: to know. It really should. I mean, I mean, look

457
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Speaker 1: look at what the Eagles do when you're good. They

458
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Speaker 1: retain you meet Obviously, if they draft you Lane Johnson, Kelsey,

459
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Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, you know, Jordan Davis, they will Quinn and

460
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: Mitchell and Cooper dejen will both get big contracts if

461
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: they sign you as a free agent, and then you're

462
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Speaker 1: sweet like the Linebackers Act. Bond immediately give you a

463
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: sweet extension, Saquon Barkley, give you throw more money at

464
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Speaker 1: you as a thank you. They take care of their

465
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Speaker 1: guys that ball. So if they are open to trading

466
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Speaker 1: you and your bawling man red flag some stories coming

467
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: out right now because Travis Kelsey is a free agent

468
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Speaker 1: for the first time, a true free agent, like going

469
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Speaker 1: to free agency in his career, that he is going

470
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Speaker 1: to talk to multiple teams. And I talked to Colin

471
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Speaker 1: about this. The NFL is very difficult. It's a salary

472
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Speaker 1: cap league. Even when you have legendary players like Ronnie

473
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: Lott did not finish his career on the Joe Montana,

474
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, like Peyton Manning was cut the NFL. The

475
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Seattle lob led by Sherman in that crew are still

476
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: bitter about the way it all ended, like guys, welcome

477
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Like that's just kind of the way

478
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: it goes. Most people do not go out like John Elway,

479
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, on the stage winning his back to back

480
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and retire. That's not usually the way it works.

481
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: Usually people play on another team. That's the way sports work.

482
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: It's very very rare for a guy to just run

483
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: it out. Michael Jordan played on the Wizards, So Travis

484
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: is not only gonna get his number retired one day

485
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, he along with Mahomes and Andy Reid

486
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: and Chris Jones, like these guys are gonna get like statues.

487
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: He's one of the most legendary figures on the field

488
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: in the prime of his career, in the history of

489
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Speaker 1: the league. I think he's the greatest pass catching tight

490
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: end I've ever seen and big game player. He's just

491
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: he's the ultimate winner. But there comes a point we

492
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: saw this. It's different because Cam hasn't had the same

493
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: level of success, but Cam Jordan missed two games and

494
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: fifteen years for the New Orleans Saints, two games and

495
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: fifteen years. He's given him everything he's had on and

496
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Speaker 1: off the field from a leadership standpoint, team captain standpoint,

497
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: production standpoint. Comes a point in time like listen, we

498
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: appreciate everything you've done, but we got to move in

499
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: a different direction. And I think the Chiefs it's one

500
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Speaker 1: of those like listen, Travis, here's our number, which is

501
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna sound like a you know, a slight to you,

502
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: right three four five million dollars, which we basically know

503
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna say no to. So essentially what you do

504
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: is like you almost don't even offer him a contract.

505
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: And I do think that Travis. One team that makes

506
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: a ton of if I was a betting man right now,

507
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: a team that I'd be stunned if he not only

508
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: is you know, there was a story today that at

509
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Speaker 1: the start of free agency, or the tampering period, in

510
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the middle of Monday, you are allowed to have five

511
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: zooms because before you could just talk to the agent

512
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: and negotiate the contract, but you couldn't talk to the

513
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: player until the free agency officially started a couple of

514
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: days later. You're allowed to do up to five total

515
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: zooms with players, so you can get your head coach,

516
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: your GM, your coordinators, and zoom a guy, almost like

517
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: a pitch meeting like you would do in college. One

518
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: team to me that makes a ton of sense is

519
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. They have a young corps of

520
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: offensive guys quarterback, wide receiver, running back. You bring in

521
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: a guy with pelts on the wall rings on his

522
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: finger who knows the offensive coordinator. Naggi has known this

523
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: guy since he was drafted and then spent the last

524
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: however many years around him, you know, winning these Super Bowls.

525
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Speaker 1: So the coordinator knows him who's calling the offense. The

526
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: head coach really really values championship mentality, championship habits. Well,

527
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: one thing about Kelsey is a fantastic practice player. To me,

528
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: if you're the Giants, like, is it worth overpaying? Now,

529
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Speaker 1: it's a little risky for Kelsey, right, You're going to

530
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Speaker 1: a team that is not guaranteed to be good next year,

531
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Speaker 1: especially if there are talented teams like playoff contenders or

532
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: teams that are locked to be in the playoffs that

533
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Speaker 1: are interested in your services. Like what if the Chargers

534
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: call and you're like, hey, I could live in LA,

535
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: play at golf, play for hardball. But I do think

536
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: New York, especially a factor in Taylor, has an operation there.

537
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: I think she lives there. Technically, when you have a

538
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: jet as big as hers you can, it's like I

539
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: just drove two hours somewhere. That'd be the equivalent of

540
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: me flying from Scottsdale to Dallas. So it's like when

541
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: you have jets, you driving three or four hours is

542
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: no different than me hopping in the planet, going across

543
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: the country, Like we're operating at different levels and we're

544
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: not caring about the fake tree planning thing that Kawhi

545
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: invested in. We're just hopping in that jet and doing

546
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: what other fuck we want to do. And I think

547
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: that Travis and the New York Giants make a lot

548
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: of sense. Now. I do wonder if some of the

549
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: good teams would be interested, but usually the good teams

550
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: you don't have as much money to deal with. There

551
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: are price points on how much you can spend. Some

552
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: of the teams with a lot of cap space, even

553
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: like a Seattle and it's like, are you gonna give

554
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce two years twenty million dollars or something? Probably not.

555
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Would Travis want to go live in Seattle? A little doubtful.

556
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, it's kind of a celebrity.

557
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: He's kind of like a you know, famous NBA players.

558
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Like the market kind of matters. That's where I think

559
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 1: the Giants make a ton of sense. And if I

560
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: was a betting man, I have no inside information, I

561
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: would say, if Travis Kelce is not a chief, which

562
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: I kind of don't expect him to be a chief,

563
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: I would expect him to be on the New York Giants,

564
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: and I also listen. It's not like Veach or Andy

565
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: would ask advice for me. I just think it's time,

566
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: and that's sometimes just time to move on. And it's hard,

567
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: it's not easy, but it's when you get to the point,

568
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: like you have to make tough financial decisions, and this

569
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: is a tough financial decision given that his play is

570
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: not quite the same. And I also think sometimes with

571
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: an older player, when you go somewhere new, it's no

572
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: different than an individual like myself or yourself listening to this,

573
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: you can get kind of stuck in a rut. Even

574
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: if you're having a lot of success in a job

575
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: and a profession, it life can become kind of monotonous.

576
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Right you ever change a job, get a new role,

577
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: it kind of sparks a fire of just creativity, of passion,

578
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: of just like ambition. I don't even know how to

579
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: quite describe it, but there's like an edge brought back

580
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: to you that sometimes can leave you after a while.

581
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's no different with players, especially older

582
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: players that get to go to a new spot, it's

583
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: like hell yeah, almost like I get to prove people

584
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: wrong all over again, And if I was on Travis's side,

585
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: I'd be like, now, we got to be careful about

586
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: where we pick. I wouldn't just go play for the

587
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals or Seattle you know, not the Seattle Seahawks,

588
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna be very brand conscious of

589
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: putting him, Like he's not gonna play for the Minnesota Vikings. Right,

590
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: there are certain markets, is like, he ain't going there?

591
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Would he go to the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants,

592
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: like you can kind of see there'd be some spots

593
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: like I could see that. I don't picture him going

594
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: to like the Atlanta Falcons, you know, and these are

595
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: no shots at any of these individual teams. But we

596
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: just got to be real. I mean, there's probably a

597
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: small small list of organizations that he would even entertain,

598
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, playing it and listen, he's you know, if

599
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: you're just listing the free agents, he's not one of

600
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: the top guys. And this is not some class that

601
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: is great, right, Who's the best free agent in this class?

602
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: Tyler Lindenmom, I saw some lists with Daniel Jones, like

603
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Speaker 1: a if Daniel Jones a top five free agent in

604
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,840
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605
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,440
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606
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: a meh career. You know when I see some of

607
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 1: these people like you're gonna give him thirteen fourteen million

608
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: dollars a year? Pretty risky, It's pretty risky. Now, maybe

609
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: he's gotten over the hump and he's gonna be a

610
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,759
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611
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612
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Speaker 1: how much more of these basketball and baseball players make.

642
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: And obviously you know we got Kyler Kyle Tucker making

643
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars a year with player options after year two,

644
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: and the NBA money is just funny money. Now, granted,

645
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: there are only twelve guys on a roster, and only

646
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: five guys on the court, and really only two guys

647
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: on a team that matter. And if you're an individual

648
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: that does matter, your level of importance is such a

649
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: outweigh so many other guys on the roster that you

650
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: make an absorbited amount of money forever. It's like these

651
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: NFL guys are way underpaid compared to these other guys.

652
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna see some of these quarterbacks over the

653
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: life of their career make four or five hundred, six

654
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Right. Derek Carr, who who knows if

655
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna unretire and come out, made two hundred million

656
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: dollars playing quarterback in the NFL two hundred million dollars.

657
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins made over three hundred million dollars. Now, they

658
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: were the quarterbacks, But what about the other players. Khalil

659
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: Mack just got a one year, eighteen million dollar contract

660
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: for the Chargers. So I was like, you know what,

661
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: how about Khalil Mack made in his NFL career. I

662
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: would have guessed like one hundred and fifty million dollars

663
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: and I googled it, like, what did JJ Watt make

664
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: in his career? Because Hall of Fame level guy, great

665
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: player signed a pretty big contract at the end of

666
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: his career with the Cardinals. JJ Watt made one hundred

667
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: and thirty million dollars, which, don't get me wrong, is

668
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: an astronomical amount of money. Khalil mack at the end

669
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: of this year, and listen, if he stays healthy, he's

670
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: gonna get another contract. At the end of this year,

671
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: will have made almost two hundred and twenty million dollars. Now, granted,

672
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: he's played in Illinois, and he's played in California, and

673
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: he's played at California again, like, he's played nine texts,

674
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: so it's not like he's pocketed all this money. But

675
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: he's made a lot of money playing defensive end and

676
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: pass rusher in the NFL, and these guys now at

677
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: these premium positions pass rushers. Max Crosby, when it's all

678
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: said and done, he was a late round pick. So

679
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: those first several years he didn't make any money. But

680
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: he's twenty eight years old right now. For example, Khalil's

681
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: thirty five. If you assume that Max Crosby can maintain

682
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: a high level play till he's Khalil's age, he'll make

683
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. So the timing of

684
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: being a good player Khalil Mack pretty sure is a

685
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: little off the cuff here. I didn't do my research

686
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: on this one. I don't think he's ever won a

687
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: playoff game. Didn't obviously didn't win one with the Raiders,

688
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the weird Derek got hurt. They lost, win a couple

689
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: times in Chicago. They never won one, right the one

690
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: year the dwink and then a couple years later they

691
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: were an eight to eight team and lost. And in

692
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: his Chargers career they have not won a playoff game.

693
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: Because Herbert, it's right. It's one of the main talking points.

694
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: He's been terrible in the playoffs. They haven't done anything. Well,

695
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: you look at Khalil Mack, you go, that's incredible. Now, granted,

696
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: football lots out of it. Listen, Max Crosby's a winning player.

697
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: It's not his fault that he's played with a bunch

698
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: of scrubs. You know, a lots out of here. This

699
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: isn't basketball where you can be Lebron James even you're

700
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: playing with scrubs in the prime of your career. You're

701
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna your team's gonna win fifty games. But I just

702
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: some of the money getting thrown around, and you're gonna

703
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: see this like the center. Historically, getting a guard center

704
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: you wouldn't unless they were like an all time great player,

705
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't give a huge contract to because it was

706
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: easy to find those guys. You could always find a Kelsey,

707
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: he's best case scenario. But a guy like that in

708
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: the fifth round, a good guard in the sixth, a random,

709
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, seven year starter in the fourth. That has

710
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: become a lot more difficult with the spread offenses in college,

711
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: with the transfer portal, it is much more difficult to

712
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: find guards and centers who are going to translate to

713
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: the NFL, which I think has led to a lot

714
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: of guys, once they established their decent NFL players getting

715
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: overpaid in free agency. I mean, last year, the forty

716
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: nine ers let Aaron Banks, the guard from Notre Dame,

717
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: who had been you know, he had started the whole time.

718
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: I think he was pretty marginal at best, get a

719
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: big contract from the Packers. I was like, God, that's

720
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty bold. And I think a year in they

721
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: clearly regret that deal. So, but you got to be aggressive,

722
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: and that's part of free agencies. You typically have to

723
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: pay a tax, right, a premium to acquire a player

724
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: in free agency. This is back to the Crosby thing. Well,

725
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: why do you have to do that because typically you

726
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: have multiple teams bidding on a guy services Right, if

727
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I said, hey, is the tenth pick in the draft,

728
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: and whoever has the tenth pick, the eleventh pick, and

729
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: the twelfth pick all have access to that tenth pick,

730
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: and whoever wants an individual player can get the tenth pick.

731
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: They just have to give up other ones of their

732
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: picks in the draft. Well, teams would get aggressive and

733
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: be like, hey, we'll give we really want this guy ten.

734
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: We'll willing to give up our fourth round pick to

735
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: make sure we get him at ten if we have

736
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: to bid against these other two teams because we all

737
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: get this slot. But when you just have to pick

738
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: and you don't have to bid against anybody, you can

739
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: just pick wherever you want. It's no different when you're

740
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: negotiating with the guy and extending him early on your team. Well,

741
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: some guys have the balls and the nutsack and the

742
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: agent to kind of convince him like, hold out for

743
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: a couple more years, we can get you the biggest

744
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: contract in the history league or the team throws Hey listen, yeah,

745
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: that could go that way, or in the middle of

746
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: the season you could shatter a limb. Never be the same,

747
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: never play in the NFL again. I'm currently offering you

748
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: seventy eight million dollars guaranteed and total value of a

749
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: contract worth one hundred and thirty million dollars. And if

750
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: things go well, more likely you will see every penny

751
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: of this contract, or we'll negotiate in a couple of

752
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: years and extend the thing again. So listen, I know

753
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: you're a third on pick. I know you've banked two

754
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars in your career. We're offering

755
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: you close to eighty million dollars the moment you put

756
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: pen to paper. So if you if you got this,

757
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: if you got the stones to hold out a couple

758
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: of years to maybe make that number be one hundred

759
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: and five, you got balls, kid. But if you want

760
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: to do business, We're willing to do business right now

761
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: and make you the richest man in the history of

762
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: your family and a guy that you know set yourself

763
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: up and your kids up for life, which I always

764
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: push back against now having a child. You know, it's

765
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: not like my dad left me a big pot of gold.

766
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: But if he did, like let's just say my dad

767
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: had left been some super rich guy, it just left

768
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: me fifty million dollars when he died. Would I be

769
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: doing this right now? Would I be working on a

770
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, well my eight week goals? Inside my my

771
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: wife's just hanging out, like eating some snacks, watched TV.

772
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: Or would I be in there with them? So I

773
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: never quite understand of like this generational wealth to give

774
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: my you're just gonna give your kids a bunch of

775
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: free money. It's always it's like a little pet peeve

776
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: of mine because everyone celebrates it on social media, like

777
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: isn't part of it? But then they also like crushing nepotism.

778
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: Don't we want to teach our family members, our our children,

779
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: like the proper way to you know, be ambitious, to

780
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: go your own path. You just give people free money? Fuck,

781
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: why are you doing anything? I've never quite understood that.

782
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: But when you're making this much money, it's like you

783
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: can spend it all in a lifetime, so you're gonna

784
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: give a bunch of your kids, and if you have

785
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: pretty good financial advisors and the market keeps ripping over

786
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: the course of the next twenty thirty years, you're gonna make

787
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: that decent amount of money, which is a lot of money,

788
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: into a lot more money, but fascinating times. It's one

789
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: thing that this has always stood out to me because

790
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: the media, who in this weird way like hates business

791
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: right like politically, like they're on the side very anti business,

792
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: anti big money people. Yet anytime that an athlete makes

793
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: like some huge deals, like generational wealth for this guy

794
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: and his family, So you're just telling me, like his

795
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: great grandkids aren't gonna have to do dick, Like there's

796
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: what are they gonna contribute to society just sitting at

797
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: home cashing their dividends? You know? Like is that is

798
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: that good? Uh? That's just random rant, but it's something

799
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: that is really kind of I've noticed this for a

800
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: long time. It's always stuck out to me, and I've

801
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: always wondered, Uh, listen, I I wouldn't have turned down

802
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: if my dad would have been like, you know before

803
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: before I passed you. I just want to let you know,

804
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: got seventy five million dollars, uh with with Billy at

805
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: Wells Fargo. So just you go to you go tomorrow

806
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: and it's all yours. I would have been like, damn, thanks,

807
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: but I'll promise this. That probably wouldn't have done much since, right,

808
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't some of these guys that have made just

809
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in basketball or baseball, like what are

810
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: they gonna do with it all? What are their children

811
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna do? Listen, I've seen Tom talk about this. You know,

812
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Tom clearly grew up like his dad was a successful businessman,

813
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: but I don't. I think he was multi millionaire as

814
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: a kid. It's like, you know, it's a challenge raising

815
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: my children, try to teach them to kind of be

816
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: normal humans in society when they just all they know

817
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: is like they don't know what Southwest or American Airlines is.

818
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: That they won't know what that is. Think about that

819
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: you just don't know what American Airlines is. It'll humble you.

820
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: Right when I was flying back from the combine and

821
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: I missed my flight and had to like change the

822
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: next flight, and they threw me on the back of

823
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: the bird. I'm in the middle, middle seat with two

824
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: smelly kind of one guy's kind of fat. I'm like,

825
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm hungover, i haven't slept. But sometimes

826
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: you gotta just put a little shock to the system,

827
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: like John, just don't get fat and happy. Here, buddy,

828
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: this is this is it baby, NFL free agency, it's here.

829
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: Let's go the volume.