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Speaker 1: Here we go our three and a Friday, Robert Mays

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Good debian Well, a couple of big stories.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the big news in the NFL yesterday

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Speaker 1: was in the Twin Cities as Kyler Murray, a former

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Speaker 1: number one pick, signed a one year deal very inexpensive

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Speaker 1: with the Minnesota Vikings and they're a great head coach.

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Speaker 1: The big question is, oh, wait a minute, what does

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Speaker 1: that mean for you? The quarterback you drafted a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago in the first round JJ McCarthy in

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Speaker 1: his future. JJ McCarthy is a cautionary tale for every

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Speaker 1: general manager in the NFL. Beware of two things, the

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Speaker 1: game manager at the college level, and beware of when

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Speaker 1: the number one trait for a college quarterback is he's

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Speaker 1: a winner. That's what they said about t Bow. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: These game managing college quarterbacks usually come from Alabama or

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, Georgia, these football factories where they can turn

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Speaker 1: and hand it off, throw twenty three times a game.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. He came from the best Michigan team probably ever.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen guys were drafted, stacked roster, and he only threw

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Speaker 1: for twenty two touchdowns. Joe Burrow played on a stacked

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Speaker 1: roster at LSU.

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Speaker 2: He threw for sixty. If you're going to.

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Speaker 1: Play on a roster like that, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: carry the team. But I better see like forty five touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five touchdowns eree quarterback in JJ McCarthy's class, Everyone

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Speaker 1: bow Knicks, Jaden Daniels, Michael Pennix, Drake May, Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: every other first round quarterback, every other one USC, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, LSU, some good programs. They had to throw

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Speaker 1: for over three hundred yards a game. JJ McCarthy two

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Speaker 1: for under two hundred yards a game. That's the first

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Speaker 1: warning sign and the second. And I know Pat in

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Speaker 1: the back time. I said he is the one quarterback

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Speaker 1: coming in this first round draft class. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's going to work. The other thing was, first of all,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have any great wow traits. Caleb Williams wow, horsepower,

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Speaker 1: bow knicks, toughness, durability, athletic ability, Jade Daniels kind of

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Speaker 1: a Lamar Jackson type player, Drake May big size, big arm, Pennix,

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Speaker 1: good arm. JJ McCarthy's a winner. A winner is how

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Speaker 1: you should describe a poker player or a lawyer. If

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Speaker 1: you tell me a lawyer, the guy's a winner, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of all I need to know. Poker player, guy's

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Speaker 1: a winner. Sits down at the table. That's Phil helm youth.

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Speaker 1: That's all I need to know. We don't talk about

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Speaker 1: any other athlete and say he's a winner. We don't

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Speaker 1: draft cornerbacks, left tackles, guards, running backs and say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, production was so so, but he is a winner.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean anything. Same with college basketball players. Nobody's drafting

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Speaker 1: Darren Peterson number one because he's a winner. They're looking

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Speaker 1: at his talent and his trades. So I just I

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Speaker 1: don't buy that he's a winner.

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Speaker 1: Now, you could say Fernando Mendoza Colin, Yeah, he won

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Speaker 1: because he's a killer, because he's great late, because he

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Speaker 1: beat Miami almost single handedly in the fourth quarter. He

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Speaker 1: did the same with Penn State on the road. That's different.

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Speaker 1: He was asked to carry a good roster. That JJ

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Speaker 1: LSU level roster. And did he carry it? Yeah, at

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Speaker 1: you can say what you want about Kyder Murray again,

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Speaker 1: he and Sam Darnold have been the two quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: And for the record, since he was drafted, Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: He's going to win this job. But it's a cautionary tale.

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Speaker 1: at college. It just doesn't translate to Sunday football. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Luca had fifty one last night and the Lakers

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Speaker 2: But that wasn't the story.

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Speaker 1: And this is a real story and it's actually asking

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Speaker 1: a lot of Lebron James. So we talked a lot

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Speaker 1: the strangest year in Lebron James life. Every offense, even

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Speaker 1: last year with heavy Luca and Luca off an injury,

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Speaker 2: I said, this year is going to be different.

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Speaker 1: The difference between in shape, skinny Luca still in his

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Speaker 1: prime in Lebron, the gap is going to be huge,

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Speaker 1: and Lebron's going to have to learn for the first

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Speaker 1: time in his career to play off the ball all

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Speaker 1: the ball because is let's be honest, his jump shot

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Speaker 1: has always been streaking and inconsistent. But what really happened

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Speaker 1: this year that makes it even tougher for Lebron is.

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Speaker 2: That Austin Reeves has popped.

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Speaker 1: And now Lebron should probably have the ball as a

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Speaker 1: third offensive option on the Lakers. So to ask a

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Speaker 1: guy that was face of the NBA for twenty years, hey,

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Speaker 1: we not only need you to be off the ball

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Speaker 1: with Luca, but Austin Reeves as well. It is a

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Speaker 1: big ask. I don't think Michael Jordan would have done that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think most all time players are going to

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Speaker 1: Lebron's always been about winning and he has and I've

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Speaker 1: defended him early when he used to not take the

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Speaker 1: big shot like MJ or Kobe, and I'd say he's

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Speaker 1: a winning player. He makes the right basketball play. So

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Speaker 1: this is a big ask and Lebron's entire career.

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Speaker 2: It was the opposite.

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Speaker 1: He had to ask Dwayne Wade, you're the two. He

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Speaker 1: had to go to Chris Bosch, Hey, get out of

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Speaker 1: the paint, go in the corner. He had to tell

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving bro I'm going to carry the ball. You

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Speaker 1: have to play off ball. So everybody is sacrificed for

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Speaker 1: Lebron and should have his entire career, even Luca a

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Speaker 1: little bit last year for this. Lebron's different. His usage

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Speaker 1: rate lowest of his career by a wide margin. Field

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Speaker 1: So this is what we talked about all preseason. This

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a weird year for Lebron face the

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Speaker 1: league to not only the second option, but net rating

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Speaker 1: have to do the dirty work. And you know this year,

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Speaker 1: when Lebron shoots more than twenty times, Lakers are zero

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Speaker 1: seven to fifteen. The numbers don't lie. But I do

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Speaker 1: think it's a big ask. I don't think MJ would

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Speaker 1: have done it. I don't think a lot of stars

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Speaker 1: that can still play at Lebron's level individually would do it.

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Speaker 1: But Lebron's always been a winning player. I just think

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Speaker 1: he deserves credit for committing to this kind of basketball

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Speaker 1: when he could score twenty four a night for half

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Speaker 1: the teams in the league are more. And here was

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Speaker 1: JJ Reddick after the win.

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Speaker 3: Lebron and I we talked, We had a we had

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Speaker 3: a great conversation over the last couple of days. I

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Speaker 3: think again, he wants to do everything possible to help

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Speaker 3: this team win, and he he understands the importance of

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Speaker 3: making sure Luca and Ar can be at their best,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, that's that's that's incredible of him.

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Speaker 4: The team is most important. You know, everybody successful when

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Speaker 4: we win. So yeah, it is a sacrifice. I know

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Speaker 4: what I'm capable of still doing as the individual, but

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Speaker 4: what's important for this team. I'm able to adapt to

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Speaker 4: what's important for this team, and that's that's the only

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Speaker 1: And the win is only that matters, all right, Robert

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Speaker 1: And to wrap up free agency, so I put out

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Speaker 1: my top ten post coaching hires, post free agency top ten.

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Speaker 1: I did not have Baltimore in it. I did not

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Speaker 1: like the free agency period. I think Tyler Leonard Baum

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Speaker 1: is a huge loss and a huge gain for the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: I don't like losing their tight end to the Giants

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Speaker 1: or a kind of a speedback, an off speed pitch

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Speaker 1: back to Derrick Henry to the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't love what they did.

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Speaker 1: I have them at eleven, Jags at twelve, nine Ers

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Speaker 1: at thirteen. Anything jump out to you in my ten.

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Speaker 8: It feels like the Bears are too You're just doing

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Speaker 8: this to mess with me. There's no way this goes

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Speaker 8: well for me. You putting them as high as you did.

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Speaker 8: I want to believe it, but it's also hard for me.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure the roster is better now than it

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Speaker 2: Day of the season ended.

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Speaker 8: After losing Dolman and some of the other things that

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Speaker 8: they've had to do.

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Speaker 2: I think the Arrows pointed up that one was a

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Speaker 8: I still think Kansas City and Baltimore are probably in

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Speaker 8: the discussion, though. I get what you're saying, but I

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Speaker 8: still like the way the Ross look, even with some

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Speaker 8: of the attrition from the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: The you know, let's stay on the Bears for a second.

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Speaker 1: I tend to be a blether. Liam Cohen year two

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Speaker 1: He finished, And I take a lot away from that

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Speaker 1: So one of the free agent moves, I can like

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Speaker 8: I think they need that skill set within the offense,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said this about the Raiders. I don't remember

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Speaker 2: There's no ambiguity here.

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Speaker 1: games of Malik Willis. I do football for a living.

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Speaker 1: That is a franchise quarterback. He's going to be the

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Speaker 1: seventeenth highest paid. Well, at some point in the season,

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Speaker 1: could I go, that's about the fifteenth best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league. I'm comfortable after six starts, I appear to

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Speaker 1: be on an island. What do I know about those

442
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Speaker 1: five or six stars? Did you see enough?

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Speaker 8: I saw enough for him to get this opportunity when

444
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Speaker 8: I watched him last year. I think a lot of

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Speaker 8: people watching those games, the reasonable conclusion to reach was

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Speaker 8: that guy deserves a shot to be a starter in

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Speaker 8: the X Y.

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Speaker 2: And that's what he got.

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Speaker 8: And with this conversation about is he worth thirty million

450
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Speaker 8: a year and how much money is he going to

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Speaker 8: get the contract that he got, which is essentially just

452
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Speaker 8: an inflation version of the Justin Fields content from last year,

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Speaker 8: this is a worthwhile swing.

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Speaker 2: If you're the Dolphins. This is a young guy with

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Speaker 2: a lot of talent.

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Speaker 8: If it doesn't work out this year, you cut him

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Speaker 8: after the season, and then you go back into the draft.

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Speaker 8: When you're likely going to be picking somewhere near the

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Speaker 8: top half of the first round, and you just say, eh,

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Speaker 8: it was a risk, it didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: We move on.

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Speaker 8: So I think for a team like the Dolphins, where

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Speaker 8: when you miss out on a guy that you drafted

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Speaker 8: in the top five and that you paid a lot

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Speaker 8: of money to, there are never clean ways to dismount

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Speaker 8: from that situation.

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Speaker 2: Ask the Vikings, There's never a clean way to do it.

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Speaker 8: This being the alternative where if it works out, there

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Speaker 8: is still a pathway to him being your quarterback of

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Speaker 8: the future. I think it's a worthwhile bet for Miami

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Speaker 8: and honestly, you drop me week Willis and the giddy

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Speaker 8: up that he has as an athlete into that offense

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Speaker 8: with Devon ah Chan and Jayalen Waddle. I'm interested in

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Speaker 8: watching it. I don't know how it's going to go,

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Speaker 8: but he has earned the chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, totally agree on this, Robert Mays the athletic. He's

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Speaker 1: also got food recommendations. Are staff myself included, can.

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Speaker 9: Bouch for him.

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Speaker 2: Has always have a great week, senior, Robert, good to

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Speaker 2: see a all right. John Middlecoff with the news.

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Speaker 3: No, No, this is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 10: You know, Colin speaking of Malik Willis, I don't know

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Speaker 10: if I remember a player making more money based on

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Speaker 10: two games in one season than Malik did, But I'm

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Speaker 10: with you. He showed a lot and he spoke about

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Speaker 10: why he is currently ready to be a full time starter.

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Speaker 11: I don't think I put a timeline on it. I

489
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Speaker 11: think it happened when I was prepared. I think when

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Speaker 11: I came in the league, I wasn't prepared. And that's

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Speaker 11: not a knock toward my coaches or myself. That's just

492
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Speaker 11: what it was coming from the system I came from.

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Speaker 11: And I've had a chance to learn the last four

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Speaker 11: years since I've been the league and went through four

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Speaker 11: different offenses and seen a bunch of different defenses, and

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Speaker 11: I just think I've grown a lot and grateful for

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Speaker 11: the opportunity once again.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I mean you can see it at

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Speaker 1: the podium. He's a big dude, like he is a Fike.

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Speaker 1: He's a pro athlete, and uh, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: just again, I judge guys at the podium, humble, grateful, appreciative, complimenting.

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Speaker 1: Everybody looks in the mirror and goes, ye, I just

503
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Speaker 1: wasn't ready, he said, I mean that stuff matters to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: When you're a quarterback, you step for the podium. He

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Speaker 1: looks relaxed, confident, grateful, humble and owned his early years

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Owned all of it.

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Speaker 2: I'd be if I was a Dolphin fan.

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Speaker 1: Considering the dead money for Tua in the situation you're in,

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Speaker 1: this is about as good as you can do in

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Speaker 1: a bad quarterback draft year.

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Speaker 10: Well, even if we remove the money, it's one hundred

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Speaker 10: percent upgrade. There's not a GM in the league that

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Speaker 10: would take two over Malik Willis. So you upgraded a

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Speaker 10: quarterback and two. Let's face it, he's with one of

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Speaker 10: the more successful organizations in all of professional sports these

517
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Speaker 10: last couple of years. Every day in practice when he

518
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Speaker 10: wasn't a star, right, he had to go up against

519
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Speaker 10: that defense, which the last couple of years under Halfley has.

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Speaker 9: Been one of the better ones in the league.

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Speaker 10: And then when he got the opportunity to start, it

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Speaker 10: wasn't just running, because that was part of it.

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Speaker 9: He's a big time athlete. He was accurate, he throw touch.

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Speaker 10: We know he has a powerful arm, but the NFL

525
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Speaker 10: is about more than that touch timing rhythm, and that's

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Speaker 10: what the Packers offense is. It's a timing and rhythm

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Speaker 10: based offense. And I thought he was fantastic. So if

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Speaker 10: I was a Dolphins fan, I'd be pretty excited just

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Speaker 10: to get the train back on the tracks and watch

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Speaker 10: this guy play. You know, speaking of Team USA that

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Speaker 10: they advanced the knockout.

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Speaker 9: Round, he got a little weird there for a while.

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Speaker 10: It did my San Fransco Giant Ace Logan Webb will

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Speaker 10: take the mound to night for the US in a

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Speaker 10: win or go home game. Colin, what do you expect

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Speaker 10: for Team USA today?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so much of this tournament is pitching,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the American guys are are starting pitchers.

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Speaker 1: They're not giving you full outings because they don't want

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Speaker 1: to mess up. You know, the spring training is going

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Speaker 1: to end here in a week or two. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is can you get hits. You're having

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Speaker 1: to score your way to wins in this tournament. If

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Speaker 1: it was if this was done, you know, and there

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Speaker 1: was no baseball season coming up, I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Team USA is going to roll.

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Speaker 2: We got more good arms.

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Speaker 1: But what makes it interesting is, you know our arms

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Speaker 1: are good arms like the Tigers pitcher. Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give you one outing. Now I'm going back to spring

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Speaker 1: with my guys. So you know, it just comes down

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Speaker 1: to who can hit their way to the championship.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I I the Tiger guy shows up,

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Speaker 10: he pitches three innings, doesn't pitch all. It's kind of

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Speaker 10: I remember this was years ago when Otani was pitching

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Speaker 10: against Mike Trout and it was an electric moment. I

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Speaker 10: think what we all want to see, like we got

558
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Speaker 10: in hockey USA versus Canada. We want to see USA

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Speaker 10: take on Japan. Say that's what we want. Okay, last,

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Speaker 10: but not lease. We have a team that you and

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Speaker 10: I did for on the forty nine ers. They signed

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Speaker 10: Buccaneers legend Mike Evans. He's played twelve years in Tampa,

563
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Speaker 10: future Hall of Famer, three year deal, but they only

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Speaker 10: gave him sixteen million dollars, and Evans talked about why

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Speaker 10: he made this move to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 7: They always compete even with the injuries. Last year, I

567
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Speaker 7: think they went thirteen and four. I mean I feel

568
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Speaker 7: like they were one piece away, and I think that

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Speaker 7: I'm that piece and I'll look forward to coming here

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Speaker 7: and improving that.

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Speaker 2: I like his optimism.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he is the piece,

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Speaker 1: but he is he is a good piece. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know who would be excited if I was brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the Brandon Ayuk nonsense, and I have

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. I mean, brock Purty is the

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Speaker 1: winner here. You get out of the Ayuke drama. I

578
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Speaker 1: get a better, a higher end player than Jawan Jennings,

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Speaker 1: who's very good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the winner is brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: And I think also when you pay party you have

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Speaker 1: to sort of justify doing It's like Dak Scott. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna pay Dack that kind of money, then you've

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Speaker 1: got to sign George Pickens right like, so you you

585
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Speaker 1: have to protect your assets. And brock Perty right now

586
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: is a very valuable asset. So they got to make

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Speaker 1: sure the old line's good. And he's got ample weapons.

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Speaker 10: Well, Kyle Shanahan has his career resume with big physical targets,

589
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Speaker 10: Andre Johnson, Julio Jones, and George Kittle. I mean we're

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Speaker 10: talking Hall of Fame level guys. So you had Mike Evans.

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Speaker 10: Now George is coming out of Achilles injury and his

592
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Speaker 10: game is predicated on explosion and power.

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Speaker 9: That that to me is a fair question mark.

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Speaker 10: But if he's healthy with McCaffrey, maybe they add another

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Speaker 10: running back.

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Speaker 9: I'm much higher on this team than you are, Colin.

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Speaker 9: I think, Mike Evans.

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Speaker 10: I'm thinking ten touchdowns Collin in twenty twenty six, ten touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Now, Trent McDuffie's in that division. Now, Devin Witherspoon's five

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Speaker 2: to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll say it just became a great corner division.

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Speaker 2: But okay, uh, John with the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 8: I do.

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Speaker 1: I have to admit I don't necessarily care that much

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Speaker 1: about being right or wrong, but I do like when I, like,

607
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Speaker 1: before a season starts baseball, basketball, football, I make kind

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Speaker 1: of a bold prediction and it's kind of a macro topic.

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Speaker 1: And I do think what I had said about Lebron

610
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Speaker 1: James last night, Luke had fifty one Lakers beat the Bulls.

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Speaker 2: Bulls are kind of a mess, have been forever, but

612
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Speaker 2: they're a mess.

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Speaker 1: But I think what happened and what has happened to

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Speaker 1: Lebron this year is what we talked about before the season,

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Speaker 1: is that Luca this year with a Lakers unlike last year,

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Speaker 1: was going to come in shape and not off an injury,

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Speaker 1: so his ball usage rate was going to go way up.

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Speaker 1: Oh that means Lebron for the first time in his

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Speaker 1: career is going to have to play off ball a lot.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Not only did that happen, but Austin Reeves has played

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Speaker 1: so well with.

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Speaker 2: Luca.

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Speaker 1: There's such a good tandem net rating and above that,

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Speaker 1: now Lebron is a third option offensively, and that I

626
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Speaker 1: didn't suspect. I thought I would go Luca, Lebron Austin.

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Speaker 1: Now it's Luca Austin Lebron and Lebron can be very

628
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Speaker 1: effective in spurts, but now he is setting screens and.

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Speaker 2: They need him to rebound more.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's and Lebron's always been team first guy,

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Speaker 1: but in a career where you had to sacrifice for Lebron,

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Speaker 1: Lebron for the first time in twenty years, face of

633
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Speaker 1: the league is He's now going to sacrifice not just

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Speaker 1: for Luca but Austin Reeves and Channing Fry earlier talked

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 12: Your best player has their best defender, then your second

637
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Speaker 12: best defender guards Austin Reeves, and now who's guarding Lebron.

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Speaker 12: I think at the end of the day, we're having

639
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Speaker 12: this conversation because he's forty one and because Luca is

640
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Speaker 12: great and Austin Reeves is turning into that dude that

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Speaker 12: I think everyone sees.

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Speaker 2: But also I think Lebron is.

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Speaker 12: Okay with you know, well, you guys take this seat

644
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Speaker 12: when you need me.

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Speaker 2: I got it here.

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Speaker 12: So if you give him a playoff series, he might

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Speaker 12: not be so off ball, right. He may be the

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Speaker 12: guy that wins you a series.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Lakers are beating the bad teams, they're

650
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Speaker 1: not beating the good teams. But it's just something to

651
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Speaker 1: keep your eye on. And I give him credit for this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Michael Jordan would wanted to do this.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's gone from face of the league for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Everybody makes a sacrifice for Lebron and should have to. Dude,

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00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: you're the third option offensively, And it's not because Lebron

656
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: has deteriorated individually that much. It's that Luca's in shape

657
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: or better shape, and Austin Reeves has exploded. There's an argument,

658
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: and I don't have the history in front of me.

659
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: But Austin Reeves maybe this year the best undrafted player

660
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: in Lee history. I mean the year he's having is

661
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a list of undrafted players,

662
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: not a lot of them. There's been only a handful

663
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: of great second round players Tony Parker I think was

664
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: man U Jenobili, Jokic, Draymond Green. There's been some really

665
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: really good second round players to go on drafted and

666
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: be what Austin Reeves has become. Is it credit to

667
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: a lot of people, most notably Austin Reeves, who just

668
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: go look at his numbers better better. That's a guy

669
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: you can tell has put time into his game.

670
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Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

671
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Speaker 5: and noone Easter not a Empacific.

672
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Speaker 1: You know, Bam is just a big, strong, physical player

673
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: and nineteen twenty and twenty one year olds college guys

674
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: essentially are trying to stop.

675
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: Bam at a bayou. Who's I mean? You see this

676
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: guy in street close.

677
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: This is a large man who's been in an NBA

678
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: weight room grinding for a year. He's one of the

679
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: hardest working guys in the NBA. So he drops eighty

680
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: three points and bam last night after playing a game,

681
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: is defending himself against all his critics on his performance.

682
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 13: First of all, y'all are blaming me. You should be

683
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 13: blaming their head coach. Get that first. I was not

684
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 13: the one. Let me go one on one the whole

685
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 13: game until I started, until I had seventy, and then

686
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 13: you started to sending double At that point I got

687
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 13: seventy with like what nine minutes left to go in

688
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 13: the game, you think I'm not going for it?

689
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again when you not only when guys you know,

690
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL three years minimum in college. Most guys

691
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: spend four years in college. What that really means is

692
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: four years in college weight rooms.

693
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: You come in.

694
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: Physically out of college, you look the part physically. A

695
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 1: lot of these NBA guys that come into the league

696
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: after a year in college, I mean, they're not the shoulders.

697
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: You know, you can just see them. They're not built

698
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: to defend NBA bigs. Even Wemby, as great as he was,

699
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: you could push him around. Remember Wemby's first year, Chat

700
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: Holmgren's first year, you could push him around. Bam Adebayou

701
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: is one of the strongest guys in the league. Take

702
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: it on nineteen and twenty year olds their bodies or not.

703
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: They can't.

704
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: And then these aren't great players. They're Washington Wizards players.

705
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: He had thirty one after a quarter, and Channing Fry

706
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: earlier said, Hey, don't blame Bam for being great.

707
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 12: I don't care if Jesus was on that court. Bam

708
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 12: Adebayo is getting that ball.

709
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: What you allowed?

710
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 12: The Wizards allowed him to get seventy.

711
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm shocked they didn't go for one hundred.

712
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 12: NBA players are greedy, especially a guy like Bam who

713
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 12: averages what is the average twenty two twenty four. I

714
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 12: watched every single shot sixty two I think after three quarters,

715
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 12: seventy one whatever he had.

716
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: Man again, I don't.

717
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 12: Care how you got to do it, but the Washington

718
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 12: Wizards are allowing you to do this.

719
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: And the other thing to remember is Norman Powell, who

720
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: averages twenty to a game for the heat he didn't play,

721
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: and Tyler Hero who also averages twenty two a game

722
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: for the heat he didn't play.

723
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: So you got Bam.

724
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: Who's got sixty two after three the two leading scorers

725
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: are out and BAM's like got nineteen year olds guarding him,

726
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, I mean, we all played basketball with

727
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: our you know, brothers or sisters or something. When you're

728
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: the big brother and you can back it in and dunk,

729
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: you do. And so heroes out and Norman Powell's out and.

730
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 2: Spolsra's looking up, going like he's got seventy there's nine

731
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: minutes left. What do you want me to do?

732
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: He's getting He's being guarded by guys that should be

733
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: college sophomores. He's on the Let mean, look at the

734
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: picture behind me. The guy is jacked. He's like a

735
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: defensive end. You're asking a nineteen year old to stop him.

736
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: And spol last night said, I'm not apologizing.

737
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: I apologize to absolutely no one period.

738
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 14: I'm not losing any sleep over what other people are

739
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 14: saying about it.

740
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: What's ethical, what's not?

741
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 14: All this stuff happened under two minutes, like I said,

742
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 14: like he had already broken a bunch of records and we're.

743
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: Going to go for it.

744
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 14: It was just an amazing moment, you know, to be

745
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 14: a part of that, and I would do it.

746
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: Ten times out of ten. For the record, this is

747
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: literally true.

748
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: Bam was being guarded by wizard players that are closer

749
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: in years to their high school prom than being of

750
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: legal drinking age. And he's got sixty two after three,

751
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, it's time to sit down and watch

752
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: the rest of your comrades play. No, it's not. It's

753
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: time to go for it. And you gotta do what

754
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: you gotta do to get to Kobe record. You got

755
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: to settle down on this stuff. So and again, I

756
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: think the NBA gets too paralyzed by dynasties and tanking.

757
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: But the downside of tan is the wizards that you

758
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: got kids. You're trying to get minutes Utah, Indiana, but

759
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: when you don't give teams, I mean, part of this

760
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: is the tanking issue, you know, and a lot of

761
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: people aren't aren't like addressing that.

762
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: Everybody's like blaming Bam.

763
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: A lot of it's the tanking issue, which wouldn't be

764
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: the case if the NBA wasn't as restrictive to bad

765
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: teams getting better. When the NBA wasn't this restrictive, the

766
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Caviliers went from awful to let's go get Lebron and

767
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: let's go trade for Kevin Love and Kyrie now will

768
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: have a legitimate teammate. And they were in the finals

769
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: year after year after bad to that. That's hard to do.

770
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Now the NBA is like, no, we don't like that.

771
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: That funny business, Well that business was good for ratings.

772
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, seven titles, seven teams, seven years.

773
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 9: Eh.

774
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: So you know, some of the Bam thing is like

775
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: when you got a bunch of nineteen and twenty year

776
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: olds out there and Washington's trying to get a better

777
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: draft spot.

778
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: That's part of it. So all in all, I.

779
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Mean, Bam, I'm looking at this, Bam is think about this.

780
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: You're a nineteen year old. Hey, go body up, Bam.

781
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: He's six' nine two sixty seven to one wings span

782
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: AND i bet you less than six percent body. FAT i,

783
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: mean look at. Him look at the size Of. Bam

784
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: gonna buy you? Dude that is that is a lot

785
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: of years in The miami heat, culture you get fined

786
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: if you're not in the weight. Room they make you

787
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: spend time in the weight. Room, SO i, Mean BAM's

788
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: averaging twenty four a night against twenty eight thirty thirty

789
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: one year old. Bigs what do you think he's going

790
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: to do with the pimple he?

791
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: FACED?

792
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: U you, know kid for The wizards who's, got you,

793
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: know no experience guarding A.

794
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: Bam there you, go AND i feel strongly about that

795
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: AND i accept that. Message so way to go it.

796
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Is you got to Give bam credit Like BAM's, like,

797
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: DUDE i had seventy before they double team. Me what

798
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: you Think i'm not going to go for. It, Also Robert,

799
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: MAYS i don't know if you read his, Stuff, JOHN i. Do,

800
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: YEAH i want to end our show with. Us Here's

801
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: Robert mays On Kyler murray to The. VIKINGS i think

802
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: it's smart his.

803
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 8: Thoughts if you look At kyler's numbers over the last few,

804
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 8: YEARS i Think kyler is a limited, quarterback but he's

805
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 8: a very capable. Quarterback to, me the question with The

806
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 8: vikings is going to come down to what does their

807
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 8: defense look. Like when you HAD jj McCarthy on the

808
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 8: rookie quarterback, contract they were able to spend on all

809
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 8: of these kind of luxury defensive. Pieces they didn't all work,

810
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 8: Out Jonathan, Allen Javon, hargrave but the roster was more

811
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 8: complete on that side of the. Ball and so If

812
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 8: Brian flores can do as much as he's done with

813
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 8: a little bit less this year and that can be

814
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 8: a top three defense and the offense can be just

815
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 8: outside of the top, ten similar To. Seattle that's how

816
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 8: you get them to be a playoff team in THE nfc.

817
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: That, DIVISIONS i Mean chicago to win. IT i kind

818
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: of before this Had detroit, Second Green bay, Third minnesota.

819
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: Fourth there, listen If kyler's as.

820
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Good with The vikings AS i, THINK i don't know

821
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: what the division looks, Like, John if you had to

822
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: PICK Nfc north, one, two, three four right, Now.

823
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 10: I'd Go, Bears, Lions, Packers, Vikings, packers a little bit

824
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 10: of a, wildcard a lot of new, Players micah coming

825
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 10: off the. Injury i'd probably Go Bears packers Or Bears lions.

826
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 9: Somewhere i'd probably Have minnesota.

827
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 10: Last but, again last place last year was nine and,

828
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 10: eight so that this is Not it's not The. Jets you,

829
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 10: know these are teams last place could again be nine.

830
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 10: WINS i, mean it would shock you it. Off there

831
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 10: are three teams from this division in The puffs not at.

832
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: All same with the. FIELD i have the same feeling

833
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: with THE. Afc West deaver.

834
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 9: Makes them, interesting you, Know kyler makes them must. WATCH

835
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 9: i don't.

836
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 10: Know i'm not as bullish as, you BUT i definitely

837
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 10: won't turn off the television when they're on LIKE i

838
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 10: did last year WITH jj McCarthy