1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge podcast presented by DraftKings. We are 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis, Gary Downing joined by Clifton Brown, and 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: we want to talk about everything that we're seeing here 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: on the ground out the NFL combine as the Ravens, 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: scouts and coaches are all here along with everybody else 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: around the NFL. This is kind of the NFL universe 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: this week now. Earlier this week, Cliff Ryan and I 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: broke down what John Harbaugh and Eric Tacosta said during 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: their press conferences on Tuesday. But today's want to get 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: your take on what we're seeing out here, what we're 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: hearing from draft experts as well as some of the 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Ravens people behind the scenes. So I guess just to 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: start things off, what has been your big picture takeaway 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: and view of where the Ravens sit at this point 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: of the off season. 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think coming here where you see the whole 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: league together, gives you a better appreciation for, you know, 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: where the Ravens are. I mean, they're picking thirtieth because 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: they had a great season. There are a lot of 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 2: teams that you know, really are looking for all types 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: of things, starting with a franchise quarterback. So many teams 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: with new head coaches, new general managers trying to establish 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: what their philosophy is. And yeah, the Ravens year after 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: year come here, you know, being a team that you 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: know has so much continuity, whether it be you know, 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: the front office, head coaching, the scouting department for them, Yeah, 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: this is another opportunity to build on something that they've 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: established a long time ago. And yes, there's going to 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: be a lot of change in offseason. We know how 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: many free agents the Ravens have. You know, there's going 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: to be a lot of player movement. We've already seen 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: a lot of movement on the coaching staff with people 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: departing and then coming. But the Ravens organization, I think 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: it shows when you get all thirty two teams together 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: and see other coaches talking and general managers talking about 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: where their teams are compared to where the Ravens are. 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: They're starting really ahead of the curve, you know, again 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: heading into another offseason. 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that when you walk around here and 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: you've been to a number combines, I've been to a 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: number of combines, you know, I think that one thing 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: that to your point that stands out is you look 43 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: around whether you're in line at coffee shop or walk 44 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: on the streets, and you see people who were in 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: different logos now, but they started in Baltimore and a 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: lot of them are very high up with other teams, 47 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: like Joe Ortiz. I'm checking in my hotel room and 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: there's Joe who's the new GM of the Chargers, and 49 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, it was it was great to catch up 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: with him and talk to him. But he's an example, 51 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: and he's one of many. Joe Douglas general manager. And 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: you see these people and it's kind of like fun 53 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: catching up with a number of them. And then a 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: bunch of names that you know, fans don't necessarily know, 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: but important people behind the scenes, both from a coaching 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: and a personnel standpoint. You see the impact I think 57 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: that the Ravens have and how well respected the team 58 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: is and the organization is around the league because a 59 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: lot of people want people who have been in Baltimore. 60 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 3: As coaches, war as evaluators and so like that. 61 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: You know that Tree is I think continues to spread 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: around the NFL. 63 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean interesting is now we're seeing you know, 64 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: even more of the you know, John Harball Tree coaching, 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: Tree spread out as people on his staff take different jobs. 66 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, the combine, it's always love to look at 67 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: the we have. We'll see them on the field, but 68 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: some of the players, when you see them walking around 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: with their you know, credentuals on and with their number, 70 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: their jersey, you know, kind of workout jersey on, getting 71 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: ready for the workouts which start on Thursday, just how 72 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: big this is for them and how this is the 73 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: only time they'll be at the NFL Combine. 74 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: I mean every year we come, but. 75 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: It's a new group of group of players who do 76 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: this one time for three or four days. 77 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 4: They've been getting ready for it for months. 78 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: And even though you know, there's always debate about how 79 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: important the Combine is, it does carry some weight and 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: it gives you some insight, I think, into how players 81 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: deal with pressure, how they deal with being scrutinized. It's 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: really one of the first major steps that they'll have 83 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: as NFL players. And then yeah, I just look at 84 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: some of these guys who many of them when they 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: walk by me with no name on, I don't know 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: who they are. 87 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 4: But they can be the future of the league. You could. Yeah, 88 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 4: you never know, And a lot of them. Yeah. 89 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: I think it's the other thing too, in looking at 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: the Ravens this year that's interesting. 91 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: Is it's just so hard. 92 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: I think it's hard to predict every year how the 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: draft's going to play out. But I think this year 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: more than a recent memory, and there's a number of 95 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: reasons for that. I think that it's where the Ravens 96 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: are picking. They're picking thirtieth this year, So trying to 97 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: guess and predict how the drafts that is going to 98 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: fall in front of you is next to impossible. 99 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 4: Yep. 100 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: And then the Ravens could go so many different directions. 101 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, last year was like, all right, 102 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: they're going to take a wide receiver, likely early, you know, 103 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: first first few. 104 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: Rounds, you know, right wide reat. 105 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: So we knew to spend a lot of time looking 106 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: at the wide receivers in the corners, you know, last year, 107 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: a lot of talk about that at this point last year. 108 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: This year, when I look at the Ravens, I mean, 109 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: they could go a million different directions. It could be 110 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: offensive line, it could be pass rusher. I wouldn't rule 111 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: out a corner, no, I you know, we're gonna talk 112 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: about receiver. It could be a receiver. You know, it's 113 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: like always it could it be a defensive lineman. Maybe 114 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: you can just go all these different ways, and so 115 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: I think that, like it makes it really challenging to 116 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: really get a good feel, I think of the prospects 117 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: because they it really could be I think so many 118 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: different directions and there's not at all a consensus about 119 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: which way it's going to go. But I think that 120 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: I just think that the Ravens are are going to 121 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: be in a position where they just truly say we've 122 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: got a number of needs to fill, sit back and 123 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: play plus best player available. And that sounds cliche and 124 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: everybody talks about that, and the Ravens have said that, 125 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: but like, I really think that, like they're going to 126 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: take that approach unless it's a center who's sitting there 127 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: or quarterback who's sitting there. But like, I think they're 128 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: going to take a best player available approach and have 129 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: that ability to do that this. 130 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 4: Year, I would agree. 131 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: And we know how much the Ravens trust their draft board. 132 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: Eric DaCosta always talks about that. You know, leading up 133 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: to the process, you know you have to go back 134 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: too far. I mean, Kyle Hamilton was a player that 135 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: people weren't mocking to the Ravens at all before the draft. 136 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: Wasn't expected to be there, you know, when the Ravens 137 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: pick came, and certainly that wasn't their most pressing need 138 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: to add a safety. They trusted the process picked them. 139 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: Look where that's ended up. What a great player he's 140 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: been for them already in his career. So picking thirty, 141 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: as you said, I mean to pinpoint two or three 142 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: guys is going to be almost impossible. I think, even 143 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: when you get up to draft night, because you just 144 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen in front of them. 145 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: With all these teams looking for quarterbacks, there's gonna be 146 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: people trading up, you know, and moving around the board. 147 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: But when it becomes time for the Ravens pick, if 148 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: they decide to make a pick, you know, they could obviously, 149 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: you know, decide to trade out the first round, but 150 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: if they make that pick at thirty, I think they're 151 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: gonna do what they always do, trust their draft board, 152 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: not so much worry about the position, more more so 153 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: the player. And yeah, they do have I'm not gonna 154 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: say pressing needs, but they have needs with so many 155 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: people possibly leaving where they could look for a number 156 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: of positions where they can find somebody who might be 157 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: able to plug and play right away, like a Linderbaum, 158 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: like a Hamilton, like a Zay Flowers. They've been very 159 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: good in recent years about finding rookies in that first 160 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: round who make an immediate impact, and at thirty, I 161 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: still think that's possible they can find someone like that. 162 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's certainly gonna be the goal and priority. 163 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: So someone who knows a thing or two about how 164 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: the Ravens operate is is Daniel Jeremiah from the n 165 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: DEVELOP Network, and he's their lead draft analyst and knows 166 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: the Ravens was a scout here, still has great relationships 167 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: inside the building, really respected guys. So I had a 168 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: chance to catch up with him here at the combine. 169 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: So we're going to play that interview and then share 170 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: some thoughts coming out. 171 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: Of the interview. 172 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Ravens fans, I'm here with Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network. 173 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: You can watch him on the comm mine coverage all 174 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: week long. So, Daniel, I want to get your take 175 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: on this draft and how it pertains to the Ravens, 176 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: just just to start big picture, when you look at 177 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: this draft, how do you feel like the strengths of 178 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: this draft match up against what the Ravens need. 179 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 5: I think it matchs up pretty well. You know, you 180 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 5: start with the tackle position. It's a really deep group 181 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 5: of offensive tackles, so that could be a direction that 182 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: the Ravens look to go. I feel like, for ten 183 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 5: years now we can, even though they're hitting on them, 184 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 5: we can still say receiver every year just because it's fun. 185 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 5: You know, obviously as a good group of receivers, corners 186 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 5: is deep. So no, I think there's I think that 187 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 5: marries up pretty well. And the thing about the Ravens is, 188 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 5: you know they'll it was such a good job of 189 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 5: just letting it play out and see who falls. And 190 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 5: I joked on social media the other day that somebody 191 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 5: out who the Ravens is gonna take. I'm like, will 192 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 5: you tell me what great players are gonna fall down there? 193 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 5: And I'll tell you who they're gonna take. 194 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of the offensive line, I know that 195 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: in your latest mock you have him taken Whims out 196 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: of Georgia. 197 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: You know, we'll see if he ends up Megan at 198 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: to thirty And. 199 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: Just with this offensive line group, why is it that 200 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: you feel like this is a talented group and how 201 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: deep can you go and still get a potential plug 202 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: and play starter in this class? 203 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's a lot of them, but they're 204 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 5: gonna go. I mean, it's such a premium position. So 205 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 5: if I have, you know, eight guys that I have 206 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 5: in that first round range, I think it's a chance 207 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 5: to see all eight of them go in the first round. 208 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 5: And then after that, I think there's some intriguing guys, 209 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 5: but I think it starts to kind of fall off 210 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: pretty significantly after that first clump of guys, and then 211 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 5: when you look, you know, kind of on the interior, 212 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 5: you've got a handful of those guys, and I think 213 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 5: there's a gap before you get to the next wave. 214 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 5: So offensive line wise, I feel like we're gonna jam 215 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 5: them all into one and probably take a little bit 216 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 5: of a pause, and then you'll see another run start 217 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 5: going a little later. 218 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: Now you mentioned wide receiver. 219 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: It seems kind of crazy to think Ravens could take 220 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: another first round wide receiver, but they've done it in 221 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: three out of Eric's first five drafts as a general manager. 222 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: Would it shock you if you went first round wide 223 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: receiver again? 224 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 5: I would be surprised, but I wouldn't use shocked. I 225 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 5: don't think I'll ever use that word. But just I mean, 226 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 5: when you look at the AFC and they, I mean, 227 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 5: they're right in the middle of it. When you see 228 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 5: the firepower of the teams that you're going to go 229 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 5: up against, you know, there's nothing wrong with adding more weapons, 230 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 5: you know. I don't know that you ever have enough 231 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 5: from that standpoint, But man, if they could just get 232 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 5: a clone of Flowers and throw him in there, I 233 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 5: think they'd be okay with that too. 234 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 235 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: The other way to address kind of the firepower pieces 236 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: is running back, and the Ravens got of questions at 237 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: running back. 238 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: Gus Edwards, free agent JK. 239 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: Dobbins, free agent Keith Mitchell coming off the injury Eric 240 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: DeCosta talk that they want to add pieces to this 241 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: running back mix over the course of this offseason, whether 242 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: it's free agency or the draft. What is your impression 243 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: of this draft class in the running back position. 244 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 5: It's I think there's six to eight guys that are 245 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 5: very similarly graded and none of them carrying in a 246 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: first round grade. I don't have them in my top 247 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 5: fifty players, but I think that's the part of the draft, 248 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 5: late second round into the third round where there might 249 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 5: be a game of chicken where people are kind of 250 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 5: waiting to see when the first one's going to go. 251 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 5: Maybe I don't want to be the first one on 252 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 5: this ride, but I want to get on the ride. 253 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 4: Before it stops. 254 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 5: So I think we see a run of those guys, 255 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 5: Like late two into the early portion of the third round. 256 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 5: I think you'll see like six, seven, eight of those guys. 257 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Okay, And the other thing that's interesting about dacasa's draft 258 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: strategy so far is that, yes, there's been a lot 259 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: of wide receivers, but the Ravens have also bucked the 260 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: trend in certain ways in terms of taking positions that 261 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: don't have as high of a value. They took Kyle 262 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: Hamilton and pick number fourteen, They've taken a first round center, 263 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: and they've taken a first round inside linebacker. 264 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: What does that drafting history? 265 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: Does it tell us anything about what they could do 266 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: moving forward this year and how that could affect them 267 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: in this year's draft. 268 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 5: It helps when they have done a good job of 269 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 5: building up the line of scrimmage, you know, it gives 270 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 5: you the luxury to be able to take some of 271 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 5: those quote unquote non premium positions. So when you're in 272 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 5: pretty good shape defensive line wise with depth, pretty good 273 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 5: shape as they've been offensive line wise with depth, that 274 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 5: that affords you to the electury to take those non 275 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 5: premium positions. But it also just goes back to they're 276 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 5: one of the few teams everybody says it. The Ravens, 277 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: you know, believe it, and it shows up in their actions. 278 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 5: Is that is best player available. We are not going 279 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 5: to bypass a great player at a position where we're 280 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 5: comfortable to take a good player at a position of need. 281 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: They just won't do it and picked number thirty. 282 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: If the Ravens were to go pass rusher, that's another 283 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: spot that you know, that's the thing that makes us 284 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: draft so interesting for the Raves. You could go pass rusher, 285 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: you could go offensive line, you could go corner, you 286 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: could go receiver, But at pass rusher specifically, they've got questions. 287 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: Clowns a free agent. Van no is a free agent. 288 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: You know, they've had some young pieces there. But who 289 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: were the guys in that end of first round range 290 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: that you think could make sense. 291 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: Two guys, I would say, Darius Robinson from Missouri makes 292 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 5: a lot of sense, and he's kind of a big, 293 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 5: rugged edge rusher. He means, he's two hundred and eighty 294 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 5: six pounds and he plays on the edge. So he 295 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 5: kind of fits the way they like to play their 296 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 5: real rugged dude. And then you know, Chop Robinson doesn't 297 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 5: have the production that you'd want, you know, but it's 298 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 5: just something that Ravens are familiar with and just take 299 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 5: buy in the traits, believe in the traits, super super 300 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 5: explosive and and that would be another one I would consider. 301 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: All right, well, Daniel, you're gonna try to get any 302 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: intel out of Eric this week. 303 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 5: He's not saying anything. No, I'm not getting anything out 304 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 5: of him. He's tight lipped. 305 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: Awesome man. Well, thank you so much for the time. 306 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. So just good stuff from Jeremiah. 307 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: I think, you know, on the Tackles conversation, he made 308 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: the point that there's about you know, eight really good 309 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: tackles who could probably step in and play right away, 310 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe a couple more, but there's some 311 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: drop off after that point and those guys could all 312 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: go like in the first round. Do you think, like 313 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, do you think that In hearing from him 314 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: that makes it more likely that the Ravens end up 315 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: going with their first round tackle because I kind of 316 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: I'll answer my own question first. I kind of feel like, 317 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: in hearing from him, if the Ravens the offensive line 318 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: is a big priority, if they're going to add a 319 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: potential Day one starter, you probably need to get that 320 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: guy in the first round. And that's kind of the 321 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: point that Daniel made there. What is your take on that? 322 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sure that it's been a while since 323 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: they you know, jumped on a tackle in the first round, 324 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: and it's hard to do Ronnie. 325 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 4: It was Ronnie and obviously they it was. 326 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: Number six, I believe in that year, well, at number thirty, 327 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: it's hard to find, you know, a tackle, harder to 328 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: find a tackle is going to turn into an All Pro, 329 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: but someone who can step in right away and possibly, 330 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: you know, help you immediately. This draft is supposed to 331 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: be very deep at offensive line, so the timing is 332 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: good for the Ravens in that respect, that in facing 333 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: a situation where they need an offensive line or feel 334 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: that they need to dress offensive line, that this is 335 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: a deep draft for that. So sure, I think that 336 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: at some point during this offseason the Ravens are probably 337 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: going to draft an offensive line and then I could 338 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: see them signing a veteran offensive lineman as well. 339 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: It may not just be one or they maybe they'll. 340 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: Draft two offensive linemen is draft at some point, but 341 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: the offensive line is going to be addressed. 342 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 4: This offseason. 343 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: I think both Eric Decasta and John Hollbove made that 344 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: very clear. 345 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know when people talk about it being 346 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: a deep class along the offensive line, I think that 347 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: can show up in two ways. One, you could get 348 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: a guy in the fifth round who you draft and 349 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: develop and ultimately moves into a starting role. The Ravens 350 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: have done that, I think with really good success with 351 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: their offensive linemen at multiple positions, and there's a number 352 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: of those guys around the NFL. And then the other 353 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: piece of it is depth, like within the first round, 354 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: for example, because in some years you're just like, all right, 355 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: there's these two tackles who are at the top of 356 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: the class, and then after that it's a big drop 357 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: off that It was kind of the Stanley Draft. It 358 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: was Ronnie Stanley and Laramie Tunsel at the top of 359 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: that class, and then there was and there was a 360 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: drop off. Those were two guys, you know, head and 361 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: shoulders of everybody else. But if it sounds like a 362 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of these draft experts feel like, and Jeremiah kind 363 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: of spoke to this, like, there's really good tackles throughout 364 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: that first round, and so if you're sitting there at thirty, 365 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: you may be able to get a player that in 366 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: most years you wouldn't necessarily be able to take at 367 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: that spot. So this could be a really good year 368 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: to end up taking that offensive tackle late in the 369 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: first round and end up in a good spot. So 370 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: I think that's good. The other thing, you know, a 371 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: point that I'm curious, you know, I asked him about 372 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: would you be shocked if the Ravens took a receiver 373 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: in the first round? 374 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,359 Speaker 3: And he said, maybe not shocked, but surprise. 375 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: What about you? 376 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: Would you be shocked? 377 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 4: No, would not be shocked. I would not, Okay. 378 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: I just feel that that's a position obviously that Eric 379 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: da Costa values a lot. 380 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 4: Number one. 381 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: You look at his draft history and it shows that 382 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: number two. I thought it was interesting he mentioned at 383 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: his you Combine press or that you know wilde receivers, 384 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: comparing them to race cars, that you know that they 385 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: they break down sometimes and you know you need guy 386 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: exactly how faive you need kind of to have replacement 387 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: at that position. And he said, you know, we saw 388 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: that last year with you know guys, you know getting 389 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: nicked that position you're running every play, you know, getting 390 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: a wide receiver to play fifteen or more games healthy 391 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: and where speed is so important even if you have 392 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: a minor thing, you're just not the same receiver till 393 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: you get all your legs back to me, that's on 394 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: his mind that do we have enough depth there? Do 395 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: you know we don't know about Odell's situation returning, and 396 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: you know dou Verne's a free agent. Could we add 397 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: another wide receiver there? Yeah, it would not shock me 398 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: at all. I just feel that if there's a guy 399 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: that they didn't think it is going to turn into 400 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: a good NFL wide receiver, that even though they have 401 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: positions that might seem where they would go to first, 402 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: if he's the best player available at wide receiver, I 403 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: believe that's what I'll say. 404 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it would surprise me because the 405 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: league values like wide serius g push push up the 406 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: draft board so so often, and we've seen that plenty 407 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: of times where you know, receivers can just start flying 408 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: off the board, and I think that it's to get 409 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: like a really good receiver at thirty is like who 410 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: could be an immediate player, especially when you have more 411 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: pressing needs. It seems unlikely to me. It just seems 412 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: like the drafts wouldn't necessarily fall in that way. Now 413 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: it could, stranger things have happened, But I feel like 414 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: if you could. 415 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: Get a really good tackle there, it. 416 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: Just I just get the sense that like this, like 417 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: this draft is a really strong offensive line draft, and 418 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: if you want to work on rebuilding the offensive line, 419 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 1: like this is the draft to do it. And so 420 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: I just that's just the vibe and the feeling that 421 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: I get. And so along those lines, I also talked 422 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: with John Harbaugh here at the combine. So we're going 423 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: to play that interview for you now, and the offensive 424 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: line is certainly a big piece of that conversation. He 425 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: Raven's as I'm here with head coach John Harbaugh at 426 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine. Coach, as we are here in Indianapolis, 427 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: what's really the main focus for you and the coaching 428 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: staff this week? 429 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 6: Really just big picture wise, to get better, to find 430 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 6: ways to get better. There's a lot of college prospects 431 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 6: coming into the NFL now from this last season that 432 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 6: are going to be an opportunity for us to get 433 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 6: a look at and talk to and get to know 434 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 6: a lot better and see how they move and see 435 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 6: how they think, and just get started on this draft process. 436 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: It's been a busy offseason for you already, lots of 437 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: coaching changes. You announced new coaches this week. How has 438 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: that process gone in terms of building out this coaching staff. 439 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 6: I think it's going really well. You know you have. 440 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 6: It's challenging in one sense, and I think sometimes we 441 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 6: might have a tendency to go, oh no, you know, 442 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 6: we've got we're losing these guys. And coaching is the 443 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 6: same as free agency. That's the way it works in 444 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 6: the National Football League. People do a great job and 445 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 6: they get an opportunity sometimes and maybe as a player 446 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 6: you sign a bigger contract, hopefully with us, but sometimes 447 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 6: with another team. Or as a coach, sometimes you get 448 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 6: an opportunity to move up with your team, or sometimes 449 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 6: you get a chance to do it somewhere else. You know, 450 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 6: we had so we had guys go. Mike had a 451 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 6: chance to go be a head coach in Seattle, So 452 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 6: that's a great opportunity for him and we're really happy 453 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 6: for him. And then we had guys go off and 454 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 6: be defensive coordinators. You know, Denard's going to Tennessee and 455 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 6: Anthony going to Miami, and Chris Hewitt interviewed to be 456 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 6: a defensive coordinator a couple of places, so all those 457 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 6: guys that chance, and then Zach Orr will be a 458 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 6: defensive coordinator right here with us. And then we hired coaches. 459 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 6: We had a chance to bring guys in. So I'm 460 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 6: so excited about the different guys that we hired. They 461 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 6: bring unique things to the table and really the idea really, 462 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 6: believe it or not. You know, as good as we 463 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 6: did and as many opportunities that were created four coaches 464 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 6: by the jobs that they did, we think we can improve. 465 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 6: You know, we got to keep it moving. We got 466 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 6: to keep keep it getting better and evolving and growing 467 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 6: all the time and trying to outpace our competition everywhere 468 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 6: we can. 469 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, last year when we were having this conversation, 470 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: the big focus on the coaching front was the offensive 471 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: coordinator role. And obviously you hired Todd Monkin and a 472 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: lot of success for this offense and Lamar Jackson in 473 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: the first year with him, what is your view of 474 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: what the second year. 475 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 3: I know you're excited about it. 476 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: I know Lamar is excited about what the second year 477 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: under Monkin's offense will look like. 478 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 6: That's exactly right. You know, we had we started and 479 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 6: we had so much to put in, and we were 480 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 6: doing so much, and we're going forward and we're taking 481 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 6: we think big steps. Then you go back and you 482 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 6: look and in a lot of ways it's baby steps. 483 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 6: Yet we had success. I mean, Lamar is a great 484 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 6: football player. We had a great group of guys that 485 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 6: were bought in. I thought Todd and all the coaches 486 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 6: did a tremendous job right through the ranks. I can 487 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 6: name every one of those guys. I thought they did 488 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 6: a tremendous job. And yet we go back and look 489 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 6: at it and we say, we can get so much better. 490 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 6: We can improve in so many different areas because now 491 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 6: we're in an offense it really is dramatically different than 492 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 6: the one we ran before in terms of the way 493 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 6: we operate and get to the line, and how we 494 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 6: call plays, how we deal with things that the defense 495 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 6: is giving us. So we got right to work on that. Honestly, 496 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 6: Monday after the championship game. That morning, we got to 497 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 6: work and we met as an offensive staff. We said, okay, 498 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 6: let's put our ideas together throughout the course of the week, 499 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 6: and we met again Thursday and Friday and talked about 500 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 6: our direction. We'll meet again in about two weeks and 501 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 6: we'll have more of a plan formulated. So how do 502 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 6: we take this thing and take it to not just 503 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 6: the next level, but the next number of levels, because 504 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 6: I think between the first year and the second year 505 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 6: in this offense, when we're not just introducing it from 506 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 6: day one, and everybody it's like, how does this work? 507 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 4: Now? 508 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 6: They have an idea how things work in this offense 509 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 6: that we're building. And Todd is an idea too, you know, 510 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 6: he's got an idea along with t and all the 511 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 6: other guys in terms of what the guys do well, 512 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 6: what fits their brain a little bit, and then the 513 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 6: way we're going to be attacked. You know, we saw 514 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 6: that some teams did a good job against us, some 515 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 6: teams didn't. The teams that did well against us, we 516 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 6: need to study those teams and we need to find 517 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 6: a way to counter punch what they're doing to us now. 518 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: Free agency is right around the corner. 519 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: Combined is one piece of this, and you start having 520 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: conversations this week about where guys are going to go 521 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: and contract extensions and all that stuff. Free agency, on 522 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: one hand, it's exciting because you can potentially bring in 523 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: new pieces, but you also have a long list of 524 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: talented free agents this year. 525 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: How do you view free agency for this team this year? 526 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 6: Well, you know, for me as a head coach, is 527 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 6: real simple. I just I want everybody back. Get everybody, 528 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 6: let's go. 529 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: I don't know that that's possible. 530 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 6: Well you know, I don't, but I want everybody back 531 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 6: so that Eric I think Eric kind of works from 532 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 6: there and then we all do. But we do. We 533 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 6: want to try to bring everybody back that we can. 534 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 6: We know the odds on different situations and circumstances and 535 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 6: what they are, and we've got our focus on different guys. 536 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 6: And I'll be disappointed because we won't be able to 537 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 6: bring everybody back, and I'll be really disappointed about the 538 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 6: guys that we can't or don't bring back, or they 539 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 6: choose to go elsewhere, even because they just got a 540 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 6: better opportunity or a better deal. Just for their career. 541 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 6: But I'll understand it. You know, it will make sense 542 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 6: to me why nobody's gonna leave here because they're not 543 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 6: happy here, because they don't want to be here, because 544 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 6: they're not not getting an opportunity, or because they're not 545 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 6: treated well. I mean the guys. I feel really good. 546 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 6: Just ran into the agent for Javion Clowney, just walking 547 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 6: in the street and he grabbed me and he said, 548 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 6: I said, what do you I said, I to him. 549 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 6: I loved me. He said, I said, what do you think? 550 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 6: How do you do this year? And he goes, He goes, 551 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 6: this is the first year he's ended the season happy. 552 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 6: I said something right there that says so much right there. 553 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 6: It says so much for for everything, for everybody in 554 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 6: the organization. So maybe we can get him back. You know, 555 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 6: we're going to try, along with Kyle and a lot 556 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 6: of other guys. So yeah, that's I'll be rooting for everybody. 557 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. 558 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: You know, the offensive line is an interesting position. I'm 559 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: sure as you go through this free agency process that's 560 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: going to be you have pending free agents there you 561 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: could add pieces in free agency, and you talked on 562 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: todium today about how just building that offensive line. That's 563 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: a focus, that's something that you believe in. Just fundamentally, 564 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: how do you view this rebuild process that you could 565 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: go through on the O line. 566 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 6: Well, Aeron and I were talking about a month ago 567 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 6: after the game, and basically the point was, we've done 568 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 6: this before. We've had to rebuild the offensive line a 569 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 6: couple times before when we first got here and two 570 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 6: times since. So this will be the fourth offensive line 571 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 6: rebuild that we've been through since we've all been together, 572 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 6: and I feel confident that we can do it, but 573 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: we have to do it. It's utmost important when you 574 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 6: have a good offensive line. It paves the way for 575 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 6: a good offense. It paves the way for all those 576 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 6: skill guys running around and making their plays and having success. 577 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 6: So it's priority number one. Hopefully some guys will be 578 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 6: back and it won't be a total rebuild. Some guys 579 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 6: won't be probably because it just won't be able to 580 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 6: happen and they'll get opportunities elsewhere or whatever happens. But 581 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 6: we're gonna do our best again to try to keep 582 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 6: everybody we can and then bring guys in. It is 583 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 6: a good draft for offensive line, and so that's good news. 584 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 6: The timing is good there, so we'll have a chance probably, 585 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 6: I'm quite sure, add some guys in the draft. 586 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: And then lastly, coach running back too. We're talking about 587 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: offensive line and running back. I mean, these are kind 588 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: of core fundamental things that you believe in as a 589 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: football coach. Winning the trenches, have a strong running game. 590 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: You have questions of running back, you have penning free 591 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: agents there. What do you view is a priority from 592 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: a running back standpoint? I mean, I just know that 593 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: that's something that you feel like is really important to 594 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: have a really good running back and running game. And 595 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: how do you want to attack that position? 596 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 6: Well, actually, absolutely right. I mean you can only block 597 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 6: the play for so many yards, you know, then all 598 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: of a sudden, guys starts showing up. I mean there's 599 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 6: great defensive players in this league, front level, second level, 600 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 6: and then the secondary level. And those safety show pretty 601 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 6: quick too, and they're really hard to get blocked. So 602 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 6: you got to take care of those guys in other 603 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 6: kind of different ways. But you can't block everybody. So 604 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 6: a running back's ability to make guys miss, to gain 605 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 6: yards after contact, just to create yards on their own, 606 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 6: that's a big deal. We try to do with scheme too, 607 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 6: Lamart does. It helps us so much with his ability 608 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 6: to throw the ball, his ability to move around and 609 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 6: just draw attention to himself. That creates space for the 610 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 6: other guys also. So we understand all that, but still 611 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 6: back ability to take on a tackle you make it 612 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 6: miss and get more yards after the after the contact 613 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 6: or after the attempt to tackle to create misstackles. It's 614 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 6: massive and we've had guys that have been able to 615 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 6: do that, you know, so we need to we need 616 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 6: to even build on that and keep improving on that. 617 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: Awesome Gooch, Well, we appreciate your time, enjoy the week 618 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: here in Indian Nepolis. Thanks so obviously we talked about 619 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: a number of things there, but the old line. You know, 620 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: he's spelled it out there, I think more than he 621 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: had previously in talking about how this is the four 622 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: to rebuild of the line that the Ravens are going 623 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: to go through. Since he's been here, what did you 624 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: make of that? 625 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 4: Wow? 626 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: That to me that makes you feel even stronger that Yes, there, 627 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 2: As I said before, they have clearly focused on the 628 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: offensive front as being an area that they're going to 629 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: address pretty heavy handedly. I feel this this offseason. And yeah, look, 630 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: I mean the Ravens obviously feel great about some of 631 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: the skill positions players they have, even even with the 632 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: questions at running back. To have a good running game, 633 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: you need an offensive line. Lamar Jackson coming off his 634 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: second MVP season, to be as effective as you want 635 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: him to be, he needs time to throw it. As 636 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: John Harwald says, that's where everything starts. That's the engine 637 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: of the offense, the offensive line, and the Ravens have 638 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: established themselves the last four or five years as being 639 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: one of the top running teams in the NFL, no 640 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: matter who's carrying it. And then last year, I definitely 641 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: feel like the passing game took a jump. And it 642 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: was only year one of Tody Monk and being the 643 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator and Lamar and Monk and building their relationship. 644 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 2: So for the offense to take a jump, which I 645 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: think it definitely could next year, it's probably not gonna 646 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 2: happen unless the offensive line plays well. So they feel 647 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 2: that way, I believe, and so yes, they're looking at Okay, 648 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: you know, we've got a great quarterback, and we've got weapons, 649 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 2: and we believe in our offensive system. 650 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 4: But to make the whole thing work. 651 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: We have to make sure our offensive line is one 652 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: of our strengths. 653 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, him saying it's probably number one tells you 654 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: kind of all you need to know. Like that's how 655 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: the Ravens and they were talking about it right after 656 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: the season ended. They were discussing the offensive line, how 657 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: can we get better in this area? So I think 658 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: there's going to be investment on multiple fronts, could be 659 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: through free agency, and then I think multiple picks in 660 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the draft, like multiple there's going to be multiple play 661 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: Now that maybe that's the first round, in the fifth 662 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: round or something like that, but I think they're going 663 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: to take multiple offensive linemen and then also add through 664 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: free agency. And again, I just think that everything that 665 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: they've vindicated, including in that interview that you just heard, 666 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: is that they want to invest heavily in that area. 667 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, of course also interviewed or ended that interview 668 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: with the running back conversation, and you know, going to 669 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: what Harbaugh said and what Daniel Jeremiah said. I just 670 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: think that that's going to be an interesting situation to 671 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: watch draft wise. I know that we've talked running back wise, 672 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: and could the Ravens be players in the free agent 673 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: market with all the big name guys who are going 674 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: to be there, maybe, like. 675 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule that out. 676 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: I think there's possibility there, But if they wait till 677 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: the draft. I thought Jeremiah made the interesting point about 678 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: how there's you know, it's like there's not a Bijon 679 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Robinson in this draft who's going to be a top 680 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: ten pick, or Jamir Gibbs. He doesn't have any running 681 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: backs in his top fifty. But you got about six 682 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: to eight guys there who are kind of that late 683 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: round two maybe round three pick. And once they start going, 684 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: they're going to go quickly and do the Ravens just 685 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: try to wait and see if they could get somebody 686 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: in the draft. I mean that is an option. But 687 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, if there's not like this high end guy 688 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: you and hearing from mar Ball, they want to have, 689 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, a dynamic running back. So if you wait 690 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: to the draft, are you going to be able to 691 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: find that guy in the draft? Is a Day three pick? 692 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? 693 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 2: I think you can number one to answer that question, 694 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: because yes, I feel that you can get as many 695 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: say a good running back later in the raft. You 696 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: don't have to jump on it right away. And yeah, 697 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: the Ravens. I feel, you know, you look at what 698 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: a running bag, a young running back can do as 699 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: a contempt for a contender. To me, you know, great 700 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 2: running backs, if they're on a team that's not really 701 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: a super Bowl contender, sometimes you waste their best years 702 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: early when they do have the most juices. Kind of 703 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: they're putting up numbers, but you know, the team may 704 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: not be winning. The Ravens are a super Bowl contender, 705 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: and if you have a bag who really is giving 706 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: you some some pop to go along with what they 707 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: already have, and then Lamar's special skills already put more 708 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: stress on defenses trying to stop the Ravens running game. Yeah, 709 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: if there's a guy that they feel, you know, day late, 710 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: day two, day three, a running back who can help them, 711 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: I don't feel they have to go that way early. 712 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: And I do think that they will pick a back 713 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: at some point in this draft. 714 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 4: I just have a feeling that. 715 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: They want to make sure that they have depth at 716 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: that position because of what may happen, you know with Gus, 717 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: you know in free agency and JK that's a position 718 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: where we've seen depth is important. And I feel that, yeah, 719 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: to get a young running back that they like in 720 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: this draft would be would be a good thing to 721 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: have that that could really make a difference in their offense, 722 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: particularly late in the season. 723 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 724 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: Look, if you we saw last year with Keith Michelle, 725 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: like when he was when he was healthy and he 726 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: was running well late in the season, it changed the offense. 727 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: And like, I just felt like he was going. 728 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: To be such a difference maker for this team in 729 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: the final weeks of the regular season into the playoffs, 730 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: and like that injury was crushing. 731 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 4: It was. 732 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I think it changed what the Raves were able to 733 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: do offensively because he was just such a difference maker 734 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: that teams had to account for every time we got 735 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. He was electric now and 736 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: he's also the case, he's the case for why you 737 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: don't basically take a first round running back. You got 738 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: him on drafting and the guy was electric. 739 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's kind of the story. 740 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: That's the case. 741 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: It's like, like, so you could you could go the 742 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: invest heavily, go a first, first, second, third round pick. 743 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: The Raves have tried that with JK as the second 744 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: round pick. I think JK was gonna be great, you know, 745 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: before the injuries, but or you could just gave a 746 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: guy undrafted like you did with Gus Edwards and like 747 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: you did with Keithon Mitchell and feel like, okay, well 748 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: we have really good running backs we found undrafted. 749 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 3: And Eric Acosta did say in his press. 750 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: Conference they feel like there's gonna be some quality undrafted 751 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: running backs in this class as well. 752 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be as always looking for all avenues to 753 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: do that. But yeah, my guess would be running back 754 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: for the Ravens isn't coming off the board, you know, 755 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: before the end of day two. I feel that, Yeah, 756 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: we talked about wide receiver earlier. Maybe that's a position 757 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: and they moved an offense. After they get past the 758 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: offensive line, that might be the next spot they look 759 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: to fill before they start looking at running backs to draft. 760 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna take a quick break and 761 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: when we come back, we're going to share the interview 762 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: with Ravens Director of player Personnel George Cookinis. 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Again, the code is flock only. 771 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: At DraftKings, you need to be at least twenty one 772 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: years or order to play and physically present in Maryland. 773 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: For help, visit MD gamblinghelp dot org or call one 774 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: eight hundred gambler. So this year at the Combine, a 775 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: tradition is always catching up with some folks on the 776 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: personnel side, and for several years has been Hortiz. This 777 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: year it's George Kokinis, who is the Ravens Director of 778 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: player Personnel, And you know, just to kind of set 779 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: the stage here before we share some of that, George 780 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: is not new. You know, George has been around for 781 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: a long time. He's been in the NFL for thirty 782 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: three years, moved with the Browns to Baltimore back in 783 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. So he knows this team, this organization 784 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: about as well as anybody. But this is the first 785 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: year that we've done the Combine interview with him and 786 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: he's kind of stepping into a slightly new role with 787 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: Joe Hortiz moving on. So we want to play a 788 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: portion of that interview with him, which I think shares 789 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: some insight into how he approaches the combine and how 790 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: that will impact the Ravens draft strategy. 791 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 7: Well, I think with any draft and wherever you're picking, 792 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 7: and you know, no matter what round, I think you 793 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 7: try to see where the clumps are in each round 794 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 7: and try to gain value and see what can produce 795 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 7: and serve a role at some point in the draft 796 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 7: to help your team as far as you know, the 797 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 7: first round. Everybody's always concerned about the first round, and 798 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 7: I think the first round is a little bit about runs. Really. 799 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 7: The quarterbacks are always talked about early, and then there's 800 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 7: certain positions like the tackle position and the corner position 801 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 7: and the receiver position, and where those runs come in 802 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 7: the draft, you just got to you know, pivot off 803 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 7: of that. Like last year the run on receiver I 804 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 7: think happened about twenty with the in Jigba and then 805 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 7: you know, Johnson went to the Chargers and then we 806 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 7: picked z and then Jordan Addison went to Minnesota afterwards, 807 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 7: So that run was there. Now we're picking thirty, so 808 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 7: we get to assess the board, see what's available, what 809 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 7: best fits us, you know, in terms of our scheme, 810 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 7: what we want to do, what kind of person the 811 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 7: player is, and we get to pick from there. 812 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: So in terms of the combine, I'm curious how you 813 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: marry what you see on the field during the workouts 814 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: with what you see on tape and what you see 815 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: from a college production standpoint. How do those all kind 816 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: of work together in this process. 817 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 7: Well, I think anybody that knows me, they know I 818 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 7: love watching offensive linemen for whatever reason. 819 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 4: And then when they come out here, you. 820 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 7: Know, everybody seems to be disinterested sort of speak like, 821 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 7: you know, cause they're not running in the four two 822 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 7: s in the four threes. But I love watching alignement 823 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 7: work out. I mean, you know, you get to see 824 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 7: what you what you don't see on tape a little 825 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 7: bit in terms of movement. 826 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 4: And so some people. 827 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 7: Would say, well, if you're not seeing it on tape, 828 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 7: what you know, what's the difference, But like that is, 829 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 7: that's the point, you don't see it on tape. So 830 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 7: sometimes there's different offenses. They get the ball out quick, 831 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 7: you know, you can't even really see the lineman move around, 832 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 7: like how do they recover? You know, the bubble screen 833 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 7: sometimes you see them always in a two point stance, 834 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 7: and here you get to see them in a three 835 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 7: point stance. How do they step come out of their 836 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 7: out of that three point step with three point stance 837 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 7: and come out out with power and be able to 838 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 7: turn the corner. So there's definitely things you can see 839 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 7: out here in the workout that you don't see with linemen. 840 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 4: So I really like that. 841 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 7: And and then you know, of course the defensive backs. 842 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 7: Everybody wants to see how fast they are, but there 843 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 7: are times on tape where you can go four or 844 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 7: five games where you don't see the ball thrown at 845 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 7: a player, So how do you really assess their ball skills? 846 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 7: So any something, you know, through the combine, you can 847 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 7: see how the guy approaches the ball, how soft his 848 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 7: hands are, is he confident in his hands, can he 849 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 7: track the ball? You know that sort of thing, And 850 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 7: and sometimes it just helps you fill some gaps in 851 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 7: the evaluations. 852 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: You know. So I think it's pretty good that Georgie's 853 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: that he loves watching offensive linemen given all that we 854 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: said today about offensive Lineman, So I think that he 855 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: is going to be relied upon pretty heavily with that. 856 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: But what's your you know, take you were here and 857 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: listening to George, what did you take from that interview? 858 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: And also, you know you can watch that full interview 859 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: on our app or website in our YouTube channel. 860 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 3: What was your takeaway from it? 861 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 2: Well, just like the Ravens have built a deep roster 862 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 2: on the field, they also have a deep front office 863 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 2: in my opinion, and George is a part of that. 864 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: I mean, as you mentioned, he's been here so long, 865 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: knows how the organization thinks, how they scout players, how 866 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 2: they draft. Yeah, he's a part. He's been a part 867 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 2: of building that. And you know, Joe Hortitza, I think 868 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: he'll do a great job with the Chargers. But to 869 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 2: have someone like George and others in the front office 870 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 2: who can just keep on moving the Ravens' way of 871 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 2: doing things, it's one of the blessings the Ravens have 872 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 2: for having so much continuity for so many years within 873 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 2: their personnel department, the way they work together. I think George, yeah, 874 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 2: it'll be more the same for him. He's been coming 875 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: here every year. He feels right at home here. Yeah, 876 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: I just think that the Ravens, the continuity that they've 877 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 2: built in the front office and him being a part 878 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: of that makes losing someone like Joe Ortiz much more 879 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 2: seamless than it would be in other organizations. 880 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's really well said. 881 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: I think that in talking with George, you just get 882 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: the sense that, like he has been through this a 883 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: million times and he's got fun combine stories of you know, 884 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: being here as scouting players and talking with you know, 885 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: helping to draft and select some of the best players 886 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: in Ravens history. 887 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 3: And he's been a. 888 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: Part of that throughout a pretty senior role for a 889 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: long time. 890 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 3: And I know he's been more of a behind the. 891 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: Scenes guy, also really involved on the pro personnel side 892 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: as well, but he's been a vital piece behind the 893 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: scenes of this organization and building this roster every year. 894 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 3: And so I think that having a deep bench, you. 895 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: Know, you lose a great evaluator and Ortiz, okay, well, 896 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: now you turn things over to somebody who's done great 897 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: in his own right in Kikeenness, And I just think 898 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: that that speaks to the quality and kind of goes 899 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: back to what we were saying at the outside of this, 900 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: you look around and you see people from who have 901 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: been in Baltimore who are now with different organizations. It's 902 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: because I think that people, you know, believe in the 903 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: way that the Ravens build coaching staffs, build personnel departments. 904 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: And you know, George is an example of that. 905 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 2: Right, And I mean in the Ravens organization, I think 906 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 2: there's definitely, you know, starting to time a philosophy of 907 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 2: you know, hiring great people and then letting them do 908 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 2: their job. So there's there's always been a feeling of 909 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 2: working together. George knows how the Ravens like to work together, 910 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 2: and that his opinions have always trusted and been sought out. 911 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, even though again you know, Eric talked about 912 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 2: you know, having Joe's sitting next to him for so 913 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 2: many drafts and he won't be there anymore, there'll be 914 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 2: a change. But just like you know, when the change 915 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 2: was made a few years ago, when Eric became General 916 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 2: Mander after Ozzy it, you know, the train kept moving. 917 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 2: So George again, you know, having people like that within 918 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 2: the organization make it much easier to deal with, you know, 919 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 2: when you lose good people, and that happens to every organization. 920 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 2: Every ordianation that has success is going to lose some people. 921 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 2: That's just the way it goes. But can you sustain 922 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 2: it after those people leave. The Ravens have proven that 923 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 2: they can do that and George Having people like George 924 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 2: is one of the reasons why they've been able to. 925 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. 926 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: I also think and hearing from him, it's just kind 927 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: of about the process. I think he made the point 928 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: that there can be runs in the draft, which we 929 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: all see, you know, and there's always a run in 930 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 1: the first round, and whether that's a receiver or tackle, 931 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, and the Ravens you can benefit by basically 932 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: you can go either way. Last year, the Ravens got 933 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: on that Merry go round, you know, with the third 934 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: guy in taking say Flowers. But you can wait, you 935 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: can go a different route. While everybody's going for the 936 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: everyone's going after the receiver, maybe that's when the Ravens 937 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: go for the tackle, you know. And so I think 938 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: that every year, especially when the Ravens have had their 939 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: quarterback in place, you want to see a quarterback run. 940 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: You want to see a quarterback run. Get those guys 941 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: out of there. But whatever run doesn't happen this year 942 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: almost benefits the Ravens. So if there's a run on 943 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: wide receivers, okay, you could take the tackle. If there's 944 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: a run on tackles and wide receivers, well okay, you 945 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 1: could take a pass rusher. 946 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 3: You know, you could just go. 947 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: You can kind of buck the trend. And I think 948 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: that that's an interesting way of looking at how the 949 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: Ravens could approach this draft. 950 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and again, being a team that is 951 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 2: deeply talented regadles of what happens in free agency, yes, 952 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 2: they have a more luxury not to reach and to 953 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 2: feel good about whoever they take regads of the position. 954 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, as we've talked about before, the Ravens could 955 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 2: go a lot of different ways and help themselves. The 956 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 2: key is just to pick the right player, you know, 957 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 2: regauds of position, and I think the Ravens are in 958 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 2: good position to do that. Picking thirtieth, you know, that's 959 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 2: where you want to pick it. You know what it 960 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 2: means you had a great season rather be picking thirty two. 961 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, they they are prepared for this. They're used 962 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 2: to being, you know, not the top of the board. 963 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 2: We've talked about how the offensive line being deep is 964 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: probably a real advantage for them in this draft. And yeah, 965 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 2: I mean I feel that, even though it's going to 966 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 2: be hard to pinpoint what they do, they're in really 967 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 2: good position to help themselves with someone who, as we 968 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 2: mentioned before, can help them immediately because of what position 969 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 2: they take. 970 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I feel good. 971 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean I honestly, after being here talking with the 972 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: Ravens coaches, talking with George, talking with you know, Eric, 973 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: and hearing their press conferences, I just get a sense that, 974 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, I just I think the Ravens feel really 975 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: confident about where this team is. I think that they 976 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: feel like the offense is going to take a leap. 977 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: I think that they feel good about the players that 978 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: are going to be able to target in free agency, 979 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: the ability to keep some of their own players, like 980 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: the Justin Mattebique, who will you know, either be signed 981 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: a long term or like or the franchise tag. I 982 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: think one of those two options certainly, hopefully they get 983 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: the deal done. I just think that the Ravens feel 984 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: good about where they are, and I know that there's 985 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: concern about you know, you have this great season and 986 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: you know it ends in the AFC championship. 987 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,959 Speaker 3: How are you going to get back to that point? 988 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: But I really get the sense that the Ravens have 989 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: a confidence about their ability to reload and get back 990 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,240 Speaker 1: to that point. 991 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the cupboard is is still quite full. 992 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 2: I mean you think about the Ravens, Okay, if you 993 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 2: were starting a team with Lamar Jackson, Rokwan Smith, Kyle Hamilton. 994 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 3: Ze Flowers, Mark Andrews. 995 00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 2: Justin Madawyk, I mean, yeah, that's a that's a real 996 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 2: starting point. 997 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 4: Exactly. 998 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 3: That's a good starting point. 999 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 2: That's what they have, regardless of who else may be 1000 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 2: leaving and who else may be coming. And then then 1001 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 2: you've got John Harball's ahead coach, You've got Eric DaCosta 1002 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 2: and the front office which is proven that they know 1003 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 2: how to draft. Yeah, the Ravens, they're in good shape. 1004 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 4: I think. Yes. 1005 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 2: As you mentioned, coming off the laws of Kansas City, 1006 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 2: when you know the whole city is feeling like they're 1007 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 2: going to go to the super Bowl and it not happening, 1008 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 2: you know, that kind of has changed the perspective when 1009 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 2: you look at the big picture. But yeah, as Eric 1010 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 2: has mentioned several times, they don't believe in windows opening 1011 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 2: and closing as far as opportunities to win the Super Bowl, 1012 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 2: that was an opportunity to get there. It didn't happen, 1013 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 2: But the windows definitely not closed for the raven It's 1014 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 2: wide open. And making sure that maybe next year they 1015 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 2: can walk through. Part of that will be what they 1016 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 2: do this off season to improve their chances, and I 1017 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 2: think that, yeah, with this draft, the number of picks 1018 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 2: that they have and as good as they are doing it, 1019 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,919 Speaker 2: they certainly are in an excellent position to start next 1020 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 2: season with a team that has a chance to bust 1021 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 2: down that door. 1022 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 3: Well, I like the sign of that. 1023 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: So as always, you can email us at the lounge 1024 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: at Ravenst nfl zi net. We're going to continue to 1025 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: break down everything that we've seen out here in Indianapolis 1026 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: from the combines. So there's a lot still to take place, 1027 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: and you know, we spend all the time talking. The 1028 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: workouts out on the field still are going to unfold 1029 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: over the course of the next few days, and you 1030 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: know that'll help kind of solidify some things from a 1031 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: prospect standpoint. So there's a lot more to discuss and 1032 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: we will continue to do that from Indianapolis, and also 1033 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: we will be back with you next week on the pod. 1034 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. 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