Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Midnight Chats. You're going
Speaker 2: to have to take my word for this because it's
Speaker 2: not really picking up on the microphone. But it's a
Speaker 2: very exciting time in my neighborhood this evening. It's the
Speaker 2: fifth of November when I'm recording this, and my neighborhood
Speaker 2: goes big on the fireworks. It seems it sounds incredible
Speaker 2: out there. I mean, kind of annoying, but it's very
Speaker 2: loud and exciting, and I thought I would purposefully record
Speaker 2: this intro tonight so you could get some good atmosphere
Speaker 2: and ambiance to kind of lift this intro into something else,
Speaker 2: something more, And it's failed. Do you remember last two weeks
Speaker 2: ago when I was last here, I tried to inject
Speaker 2: some energy into these into my intro that failed as well.
Speaker 2: So the energy didn't work and the fireworks they've not
Speaker 2: turned out the way i'd like them too. But welcome
Speaker 2: to Midnight Chats, Episode sixty. I think we're on now.
Speaker 2: I should check this on my phone. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it's sixty. I should have done this before. Yes, it's sixty.
Speaker 2: Fifty nine was last week with Bobby Gillespie. Greg did
Speaker 2: that and it's a great one. I know every week
Speaker 2: we say, hey, listen to last week's one. It was
Speaker 2: really good. But Bobby Gillespie, you know, the guy always
Speaker 2: makes for good interviews. So do check that if you
Speaker 2: haven't listened to that. This week's podcast is with Baxter
Speaker 2: Jury and the ambience thing that I was going for,
Speaker 2: or the ambiance of the fireworks does tie in to
Speaker 2: this podcast. I recorded this with Baxter at his home
Speaker 2: in the summer, in the middle of the heat wave
Speaker 2: when it was like thirty two degrees and we were
Speaker 2: at his flat which used to be his father's flat,
Speaker 2: Ian Jury of the Blockheads, and it's right on the
Speaker 2: River Thames, and it's got this beautiful view and this
Speaker 2: lovely balcony. It's next to the bridge. It's down in Hammersmith.
Speaker 2: There's some fireworks. You must be able to hear that.
Speaker 2: Exciting stuff, right, exciting stuff. Anyway, we recorded this because
Speaker 2: we were it was a really hot day and he's
Speaker 2: got this incredible view from his balcony. We thought it
Speaker 2: would be a really great idea to record it sat
Speaker 2: out on his balcony and we'd get some nice kind
Speaker 2: of atmospheric background sound of them and the water and
Speaker 2: the birds, and we did get that, but we also
Speaker 2: got the sound of the bridge, and the bridge makes
Speaker 2: a fuck load of noise. It's got these rivets in it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna hear this in a minute when we get
Speaker 2: to the interview. But I can't work out if it
Speaker 2: was a good idea now, because one I felt like
Speaker 2: I got very sunburnt because we were sat in direct
Speaker 2: sunlight and the noise is actually kind of distracting. Baxter, thankfully,
Speaker 2: is an entertaining guy, with or without background noise. I
Speaker 2: met him last year. We did a feature in the
Speaker 2: magazine with him. We do these features called My Place,
Speaker 2: where we shoot an artist at their home and we
Speaker 2: photograph all of the things that they've got in their
Speaker 2: house and they talk about those. And I went to Baxter.
Speaker 2: He was in a different place at that point. He
Speaker 2: was in like a stopgap place. You can read that
Speaker 2: if you are interested. It's very funny. Baxter is a
Speaker 2: very funny man. And that's on Loud and Quiet dot
Speaker 2: com if you want to phish that out and have
Speaker 2: a read of that. But now, as I say, Baxter
Speaker 2: has moved into what is essentially the apartment building that
Speaker 2: he grew up in in his formative teenage years. Quite
Speaker 2: a wild place when his father was, you know, riding
Speaker 2: high with his band and by the sound of it,
Speaker 2: causing all kinds of chaos in this incredible mansion block
Speaker 2: on the Thames. So yeah, it was nice to see
Speaker 2: Baxter again. I've seen him once or twice in between,
Speaker 2: seen a couple of his shows, which are always really good.
Speaker 2: But he's got a new project at the moment called
Speaker 2: Bed or Beed. It's a collaborative thing. It's not just him.
Speaker 2: It is Baxter. That's the b The E is ettiend Creasy,
Speaker 2: who is also Super Discount. He's that guy, the French
Speaker 2: DJ and electronic producer, and also Delia Holiday from Skinny
Speaker 2: Girl Diet. They're not necessarily calling it a band. I
Speaker 2: don't think they really know what they're calling it. But
Speaker 2: it's self titled. It's called Bed and that's out now
Speaker 2: on the Heavenly Label. For now, though, I'm going to
Speaker 2: leave you with myself, Baxter Jury and an extremely noisy bridge.
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Speaker 2: It's got Jimify Lacoste on the cover as well as
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Speaker 2: Here is myself and Baxter. Thank you for listening to
Speaker 2: Midnight Chats. Are we going to have one more firework
Speaker 2: before we go? No, it's back, so we can probably
Speaker 2: start by explaining what the background noise is here where
Speaker 2: we are.
Speaker 3: Well, I've just read take I've taken possession of my
Speaker 3: old family home. Really, I now rent it off the
Speaker 3: rest of the family, and I haven't been here for
Speaker 3: that twenty five years, thirty years, and the last four
Speaker 3: months Cosmo and I, my son and I have moved
Speaker 3: back in and it's pretty splendid. I always knew it
Speaker 3: was splendid, but it wasn't so splendid in the late
Speaker 3: mid eighties. It was more of an experimental place to live,
Speaker 3: as opposed, but the conditions within the house were harsh
Speaker 3: into the way Dad had it, which let down a
Speaker 3: little bit how beautiful the actual Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 3: a bit more the way Dad wanted to live in
Speaker 3: his special way. Sure it was a bit crackered, but
Speaker 3: so to come back here and suddenly appreciate it, especially
Speaker 3: on a day like this.
Speaker 2: Well it's about its late it's late twenty degrees. We
Speaker 2: are directly on the River Thames. And the sound that
Speaker 2: people can probably hear in the background are the cars crossing.
Speaker 2: That's Hammersmith Bridge, isn't it right?
Speaker 3: You don't want to get a fanatic fan. I quite
Speaker 3: like it. I did. I'm not wow, fanatic fan.
Speaker 2: Come down here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: It's the cars of a nearby bridge.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, we are we overlooking Hamison Bridge, which is
Speaker 3: an amazing bridge. It's an amazing part of and it's
Speaker 3: kind of not like it. You know, Hammersmith just stayed
Speaker 3: Hammersmith in the since it hasn't gone through some sort
Speaker 3: of trend revolution or anything like. That's quite an anonymous area.
Speaker 3: There's lots of posh energy on these people rowing and jogging. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a normal you know community in Hammersmith's quite tough
Speaker 3: old area and you get a good parallel community which
Speaker 3: we were just taking the piss out of people saying that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: parallel community really barns over there, and that's beyond kind
Speaker 3: of beyond. You can't imagine how like sort of steel
Speaker 3: and flustered people are there. It's incredible. It's like Disney yeah.
Speaker 2: Road if you go if you go straight over the
Speaker 2: bridge and down that road, it's those huge houses.
Speaker 3: Barns common. It's just a bad conspiracy of rich.
Speaker 2: You were just saying that that you still see posh
Speaker 2: people jumping off the bridge like pissed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tough for it. Yeah, you get people kind of
Speaker 3: you know, the pubs here and they leap off thinking
Speaker 3: it's the right thing to do, but that the river's perilous.
Speaker 3: It's just it's a it's a it's been just I
Speaker 3: think it's got a big trench in the middle of it,
Speaker 3: which encourages these kind of really strong currents that you're
Speaker 3: obviously invisible. So but you think it's all inviting and
Speaker 3: still yeah, and you jump in, then it swallows you
Speaker 3: up in a second, or it takes you and they're
Speaker 3: actually you know, you've got imagine you're going to go on.
Speaker 2: And it's really very dangerous and most of those people
Speaker 2: are just it's bravado. They're not jumping off to necessary,
Speaker 2: they're not trying to kill themselves.
Speaker 3: They've junk something and their point of reference has gone missing,
Speaker 3: and they're very very confident for that twenty two minutes
Speaker 3: of alcohol levels or something and they jump off a bridge. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're posh. Nothing else to explain it.
Speaker 2: The sound of the bridge and the cars going over,
Speaker 2: because this bridge actually makes more noise than most normal
Speaker 2: bridges because it's it's like, I don't want to say
Speaker 2: it's a handmade bridge, but it's got these rivets.
Speaker 3: On it's well, I think I don't know what it's
Speaker 3: about it, nothing about the rivets. But what I do
Speaker 3: historically know about the bridge is a pre it's a
Speaker 3: pre Victorian bridge possibly, whereas I don't know. There's death
Speaker 3: definitely true, but it was design when cars were made.
Speaker 3: So they regulate the cars and in fact they close
Speaker 3: it every eight years for a couple of years to
Speaker 3: re strengthen on the suspension on it because it's not zion.
Speaker 3: But if you do notice, they regulate the buses so
Speaker 3: only one bus has allowed it across it. Oh really,
Speaker 3: and then a massive kind of like a big boat smash.
Speaker 3: It might have been a nuclear submarine or something really
Speaker 3: dramatic smashed into it once and really messed it up.
Speaker 3: And also they tried to blow up the IRA Bluet
Speaker 3: tried to blow up maybe in the late eighties or
Speaker 3: early nineties, and that really affected it. So now it's
Speaker 3: very sensitive and they're.
Speaker 2: Quite a therapeutic sound.
Speaker 3: I don't know about the you know, modern awareness of
Speaker 3: pollution and particulates. I don't know how good actually healthy
Speaker 3: it is living here, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's quite quite like a brutal place there because it's
Speaker 3: so hot living here, and there's a lot of noise
Speaker 3: in people and you were like living on a film set.
Speaker 3: They're very exposed unless you close those very heavy velvet curtains.
Speaker 3: Everyone can see everything you do. Sure, and you grew
Speaker 3: up here was this between here mum and dad. My
Speaker 3: mum lived in a normal place, not far away, but
Speaker 3: so where this is where dad lived here?
Speaker 2: And that from being a baby like you remember this.
Speaker 3: You know, from about eight nine or ten or something
Speaker 3: like that. Sure, and it was quite chaotic then, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what is that when he bought it, he bought it,
Speaker 3: I think so early eighties or mid eighties or something
Speaker 3: like that. I don't really can't remember. I just sort
Speaker 3: of blur it out a little bit. It was just,
Speaker 3: you know, I lived in between mum and dads and
Speaker 3: this is where this was his domain, and it was usually,
Speaker 3: you know, my bedroom was quite a lot of the
Speaker 3: time somebody else's bedroom, because you're just giving it to
Speaker 3: somebody else. And you know, and there's a film that
Speaker 3: was made about it and all that shit. But there
Speaker 3: was a guy called the soul Fate Strangler that lived
Speaker 3: here and all. Yeah, all that stuff, but that's all
Speaker 3: been you know.
Speaker 2: I saw that film the Sex and Drugs and rock
Speaker 2: and roll fild A.
Speaker 3: Lot of that actually took place here, but they just
Speaker 3: transposed it to different locations to make it make more
Speaker 3: narrative sense in film world. It's a lot of blocks.
Speaker 2: Actually, I saw it very recently. Actually, it was it
Speaker 2: was just on every week. I think someone's brought the
Speaker 2: rights to it. There they're getting their value for money.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, well, you're in it a lot.
Speaker 2: Obviously. I didn't really put to andy together that you
Speaker 2: would be in it that obviously the character of you
Speaker 2: would be in it. Was it weird? Were you involved
Speaker 2: in that?
Speaker 3: Film a little bit. They were really nice to us
Speaker 3: or the people, and we were like, we did bond
Speaker 3: with the people that made it and they were all
Speaker 3: really nice people and Andy Cirkus and stuff, and yeah,
Speaker 3: they were really you know, we watched the process was
Speaker 3: very interesting and they rebuilt houses that we lived in
Speaker 3: as kids, and it was all pretty weird. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a pretty weird experience. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 3: can I can't imagine anyone that has anything. Anyone attempting
Speaker 3: to create a detailed, accurate representation of somebody's real life.
Speaker 3: You're always going to have it's always going to be disappointing.
Speaker 3: So we're the worst people to ask. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I think it's not fair
Speaker 3: for me to say, oh, it's not It wasn't right
Speaker 3: because they were making you know, you've got to you
Speaker 3: have a narrative vista or something that you have to
Speaker 3: attempt to put a certain amount of entertaining information across
Speaker 3: in a package. And that's what it is, and that's
Speaker 3: a really difficult thing to do. So you have to
Speaker 3: take that, you know, the extreme and entertaining, entertaining moments
Speaker 3: of people's lives squash it. Together and go make it
Speaker 3: into some sort of fantasy tale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And ultimately then the end result is that anyone
Speaker 2: that watches the film then thinks that it.
Speaker 3: Was like that all the time, Like well, you know,
Speaker 3: and in los of ways, it's kind of a soft
Speaker 3: version as well, because the real details of a life
Speaker 3: like that are quite hard to portray, you know, They're
Speaker 3: hard to kind of get across in a in a
Speaker 3: filmic way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but did they film any of it?
Speaker 3: They didn't have access and they didn't even use this
Speaker 3: as a location, but a lot of the events to
Speaker 3: you know what, a lot of stuff happened here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about going into film that world?
Speaker 2: Just generally?
Speaker 3: I did a little bit as I was a kid,
Speaker 3: because it was a thing, you know. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I always thinking I really like it as a
Speaker 3: As a I really always dream that I'm going to
Speaker 3: write one of my stories into a story and have
Speaker 3: enough patience to write something down and then turn it
Speaker 3: into some form of short film and then someone's going
Speaker 3: to love that and turn it into a massive one.
Speaker 3: And I think that might happen, but it's you know,
Speaker 3: I'm still thinking about it. I think about it so
Speaker 3: much without actually ever doing anything about it. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I hope. So I really liked film, I know a lot.
Speaker 3: But I even went to film school in New York.
Speaker 3: Did you what what year was that? In late nineties
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: New York has still been a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just changing. Did Mayor Gilliazaviana whatever his
Speaker 3: name was, came in and it was just kicking ass
Speaker 3: and he was evicting all the bad people. But it
Speaker 3: was said, I was a right up lived up on
Speaker 3: ninety fourth Street, and it was still relatively heavy, especially
Speaker 3: someone like me with a nervous disposition. I thought it
Speaker 3: was heavy, but it was. It was great. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: we it was a course at NYU that was The
Speaker 3: patrons were Spike Lee and Scorse. You never met them,
Speaker 3: but they'd structured this course and that was absolutely unbelievably
Speaker 3: amazing thing to do. And there were only two English
Speaker 3: people and everybody else was either from around Europe or
Speaker 3: mostly from different weird parts of America, all in this
Speaker 3: big melting pot. It was unbelievable. Yeah, four months of
Speaker 3: it we had we had the especially special filming dispensations
Speaker 3: where you can film anywhere and almost take over anywhere
Speaker 3: based on someone's permission, and in New York. So we
Speaker 3: took over a church and we lived. We stayed down.
Speaker 3: You could stop, but you know, some way film there
Speaker 3: and we made these end of year films or end
Speaker 3: of course films.
Speaker 2: So how long would you been, like eighteen or now?
Speaker 3: I was about twenty three or four? Okay, So I
Speaker 3: was really serious about it after that.
Speaker 2: Did you at that point did you think I'm going
Speaker 2: to be a filmmaker, I'm going to make films.
Speaker 3: I sort of thought about it a lot. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think you know more than I do sometimes, So yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought about it. I should have ended up acting
Speaker 3: in all the films as opposed to making them. So
Speaker 3: it just became a kind of more of an actory
Speaker 3: type dude, yeah in it, you know. So maybe that
Speaker 3: was more of a transition to.
Speaker 2: I studied film. It wasn't quite as glamorous as New York.
Speaker 2: I was in Uxbridge.
Speaker 3: It was at the Beccons Film I know, it's different.
Speaker 2: It was just at Brunell University, right, Okay?
Speaker 3: Was it good?
Speaker 2: Well? I realized very quickly I was in over my head.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: You know, as soon as I got there, I thought,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I don't think I like film the way
Speaker 2: these people like film. They were all talking about Japanese
Speaker 2: directors and you know they were they were hard. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: they knew everything before we were told it. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh god, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that they were deeply was a degree course.
Speaker 2: It's a degree.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, but there's I mean, to do any
Speaker 3: kind of course like that over three or four years,
Speaker 3: you have to go so nuanced.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't prepared. I enjoyed it,
Speaker 2: but I just wasn't. I wasn't great at it. And
Speaker 2: I think my tastes aren't. My tastes are maybe a
Speaker 2: bit too mainstream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you like face Off?
Speaker 2: I love face Off. I watched face Off recently.
Speaker 3: That's always always Cosmos film is brilliant. Watched about eight
Speaker 3: minutes and you mean, dad, it's so poor and patronized modernly,
Speaker 3: it's so sexist, patronizing, irrelevant.
Speaker 2: I went, all right, I mean he's completely right. But
Speaker 2: I mean when you watch face Off now, and that
Speaker 2: is another film. It's always on TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the parallel out they go in tandem and sex
Speaker 3: and drugs all the time. There's one channel that just
Speaker 3: plays those those two.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so bad, isn't it? But my favorite
Speaker 2: John Travolta. I'm quite fascinated with John Travolta.
Speaker 3: It's strange.
Speaker 2: Dude's one hundred percent my favorite scientologist.
Speaker 3: Who's he competing against?
Speaker 2: Beck? There's Beck, there is Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: Any women are there?
Speaker 2: Castially?
Speaker 3: Actually, I.
Speaker 2: Would struggle to tell you what she's been in. I
Speaker 2: think she was in Cheers? Was she in Cheers? You'd
Speaker 2: know if I showed you a picture. But no, there's
Speaker 2: not a huge mega style one. I don't think.
Speaker 3: No, she's not.
Speaker 2: But she's the type you can imagine, don't you think.
Speaker 2: But Travolta in Face Off is the film?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And obviously Nicolas Cage another incredible performance from Really Weird.
Speaker 2: But you're right that that's kind of more. You know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't into the Andese stuff. What stuff are you
Speaker 2: into other than other than Face Off?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm really particular, and I think I'm sort of
Speaker 3: know what which films are actually are good. I believe
Speaker 3: that I know the ones that are good, and they're
Speaker 3: non Zoti genre a pacific is that right term? But
Speaker 3: I you know, I just like good films, but they
Speaker 3: could span, they could go back years ago. You know,
Speaker 3: we grew up watching a lot of old school James
Speaker 3: Cagney for you know, all sorts of old gangster films
Speaker 3: and Bogue art films and then scores asies for you know,
Speaker 3: anything good. It's rerealty difficult to make a good film.
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't make good films anymore because the
Speaker 3: page there's. People are too fragmented, aren't they, and budgetary
Speaker 3: pressures make people do things based on weird box office
Speaker 3: expectations stuff.
Speaker 2: I saw the worst film I think I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: actually whilst I was on holiday last week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 2: It's a Marvel film. I'm not a big Marvel I'm
Speaker 2: not a big I'm not into it anyway, but when
Speaker 2: I do see one, if I think watch one, I
Speaker 2: do actually kind of big grudging. So actually it was
Speaker 2: quite fun. Yeah, I quite enjoy I think that's quite
Speaker 2: well done. There's a new one called ant Man and
Speaker 2: the Wasp.
Speaker 3: I don't airplane.
Speaker 2: You watched it, No, I was. I was at a
Speaker 2: drive in movie, yeah, and it was in the States,
Speaker 2: and it was about going to the movies in so
Speaker 2: we had to watch whatever was on and it was that.
Speaker 2: I mean it was atrocious.
Speaker 3: It was appalling, really and they don't care anyway, right,
Speaker 3: so bad. How do you hear the film?
Speaker 2: If you're sitting in your car, you tune in your
Speaker 2: radio to a frequency.
Speaker 3: It depends on how good your radio is.
Speaker 2: It does, yeah, and we're in a pretty good higher
Speaker 2: car so it sound was amazing.
Speaker 3: Visual experience, yeah, was with like unsavory people having sex.
Speaker 2: No, it's quite a fairly affair. It was like watching
Speaker 2: something at Somerset House or something. Okay, like it was
Speaker 2: quite picnicky and there were some really people who just
Speaker 2: go there. It must go there every week, and they
Speaker 2: had proper chairs and.
Speaker 3: They did the whole experience and stuff.
Speaker 2: So it was good. It was fun. But the shiptest
Speaker 2: film ever. I mean genuinely, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: I mean I think they all are. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't you know, I think the next great film might
Speaker 3: be my one.
Speaker 2: You have? You have you started, right, I'm.
Speaker 3: Thinking thinking, thinking about.
Speaker 2: It, continued thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to continue for another six months. I have
Speaker 3: started a little bit. But you know, I mustn't say
Speaker 3: that because that's the biggest, most pretentious I'm thinking about
Speaker 3: the next level failure that you could ever imagine. Start
Speaker 3: saying on your podcast about saying so you know, I'll
Speaker 3: tell you.
Speaker 2: Okay, when we spoke last be the album was just
Speaker 2: about to come out. Is it near it? I guessing
Speaker 2: it's nearing the end of its touring life, and it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it needs to. I mean
Speaker 3: that sounds negative. I don't mean it needs to. You know,
Speaker 3: there's only a certain amount you need to do play
Speaker 3: one thing, and we played it a lot, and that's
Speaker 3: a really good sign. I hope that we were allowed to,
Speaker 3: you know, and we did a lot of gigs and
Speaker 3: we were nearing the end of the obvious cycle. It
Speaker 3: might have a little bit more life after that, let's see.
Speaker 3: But it's been good. I think it was a really
Speaker 3: good experience. It's sort of hard to ask that question
Speaker 3: right at the end of it all, but yeah, kind
Speaker 3: of get me out of here. But it's been amazing.
Speaker 3: We've got all we've got left and nice gigs. We've
Speaker 3: got to do one on Friday or I don't know
Speaker 3: how this is. I can't say that come out because
Speaker 3: this is a fun this Friday would have passed. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 3: we did one a few fridays, but Wilderness and we've
Speaker 3: got green Man and then we've got a few others
Speaker 3: in November and one culminating in Shepherd's Bush Empire. So
Speaker 3: that'd be good. That'd be a nice tidy way of stoff.
Speaker 2: Drawing a line. One. Have you been back to Paris
Speaker 2: Mont recently? You're going to Paris quite a bit back then.
Speaker 3: No, not a lot. I'm just having a time living
Speaker 3: here and being on tour look after. No, not really,
Speaker 3: I did. I was there a little bit when I
Speaker 3: made that this album I made at one, but that
Speaker 3: was the last time I was there. I think I
Speaker 3: can't remember last time.
Speaker 2: So this is a new I mean, there's a new album.
Speaker 2: I would call it an album, but is it a
Speaker 2: mini It's nine tracks.
Speaker 3: It was just a group of stuff. We turned it
Speaker 3: into something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a new record that is coming out.
Speaker 3: To them offering. You know, it's an in between thing
Speaker 3: and it's a collaboration. So in itself I find quite
Speaker 3: tricky because you have to listen to the other person. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, like we'll have we definitely have absolute opposite
Speaker 3: ways of thinking because he's very French and I'm pretty
Speaker 3: West London dude, and you know that's quite tricky. But
Speaker 3: who's a lovely bloke at And what was the question alcoholic?
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was a question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just went off from some.
Speaker 2: That's so is the coreation got a name. It's between
Speaker 2: you and.
Speaker 3: It's basically it was me and writing some songs. And
Speaker 3: then we got this other girl called the Lilah Holiday
Speaker 3: who's who's the lead singer, and a band called Skinny
Speaker 3: Girl Diet, who are kind of like a punk band
Speaker 3: London punk ban been around the circuit for a few years.
Speaker 3: She's pretty tough, and so she came over for a
Speaker 3: weekend and so we decided not to really officially call
Speaker 3: it a name, and Jeff from Heavenly just suggested, because
Speaker 3: it's b Backster and Delilah, that would call it Bed Yeah,
Speaker 3: which I thought was a suitably silly her everyone name,
Speaker 3: So that's what it's called Bed.
Speaker 2: And how did you meet both Delilah and Etti? How
Speaker 2: do you know this?
Speaker 3: And I did a track with a few years ago
Speaker 3: on Super Discount three, I guess, so I just went
Speaker 3: over there and did a track with him once and
Speaker 3: bonded and Delilah was introduced to us by our third party, somebody,
Speaker 3: just as we're looking for someone different, you know, that
Speaker 3: could sing. She had a personality singer, you know, not
Speaker 3: a kind of acrobatic singer. And she was perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So where did you did you do it in?
Speaker 3: He's got a little studio in Paris, you know.
Speaker 2: And was it the three of you in a room
Speaker 2: putting it.
Speaker 3: Together, and had done most of it already, and she
Speaker 3: came over, came over with her sister, Delilah, and he
Speaker 3: didn't really understand each other very well, right, they were.
Speaker 3: It's quite comical. It was a really weird trio. And
Speaker 3: she goes everywhere with her sister. She won't go anywhere
Speaker 3: without her sister. Okay, I mean she's only twenty one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and yeah, it was funny. It was a really funny.
Speaker 3: It was a funny dynamic. He says things like do
Speaker 3: you want to do you like to coffee? And then
Speaker 3: both Delilah and Ursa just look at him like what
Speaker 3: the fuck is he talking about? And I go coffee
Speaker 3: and they go, oh yeah, yeah, coffee. Yeah. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: it was a bit like that. It was a bit
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 2: Right, you're the man in the middle, Yeah, translating things.
Speaker 2: Did how did you find the collaborating? Do you think
Speaker 2: you mentioned that it's obviously it's kind of a different
Speaker 2: thing for you because you are a solo musician. But
Speaker 2: did you do you think you're a good collaborator? Did
Speaker 2: you find it?
Speaker 3: Oh? I am of it all, just sort of. I
Speaker 3: just have one trick and then was allowed. As long
Speaker 3: as I'm allowed to use my one trick, Okay, then
Speaker 3: it's fine. But if it if it diversifies or I'm challenged,
Speaker 3: I get confused. I'm not I can't really do it
Speaker 3: anymore so, and I'm quite controlling over the little bit
Speaker 3: thing I can do well. Right, So ands about the
Speaker 3: most gentle, understanding guys. I think he probably made this
Speaker 3: all happen more than I did, probably without me knowing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He probably went breathed in and walked away at the
Speaker 3: right moment and went okay, it's all right. You know,
Speaker 3: I think I don't know that. I have a suspicion
Speaker 3: that might be true.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm jumping forward a head now because you're you're
Speaker 2: obviously going to make more backs to jury records on
Speaker 2: your own, But what is the immediate plan for this release, like,
Speaker 2: are you after you have one at all?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's what they call a soft release.
Speaker 2: Is that what they call it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. They don't put it on record. They
Speaker 3: put it out digitally, okay, and then you and you
Speaker 3: react to respond, you know, you respond to the reaction.
Speaker 3: See what happened. I think it's it's a thing. It's
Speaker 3: a thing that you don't over schedule or over make
Speaker 3: a big issue out of and see what happens. It's actually,
Speaker 3: I would say, and this sounds negative, but accidentally it's
Speaker 3: really good. Yeah, I wouldn't realized the record. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: That was such a great It's a little moment that
Speaker 3: because it was unthought about, I think captures a sort
Speaker 3: of sequence of events, quite personal and then and it
Speaker 3: actually does that quite well.
Speaker 2: It's really notice it's got a more electronic film than
Speaker 2: work vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, eighties mute records sort of vibe. Yeah. It's
Speaker 3: nice with a sort of depressive Mockney Dolphin character talking
Speaker 3: about himself, which I think is probably the same character
Speaker 3: that features an all my records. But I'm saying it's
Speaker 3: this cartoon Cockney Dolphin O. But sorry for himself.
Speaker 2: It's quite fun though, to into that different world.
Speaker 3: I guess it's good to be busy and it's good
Speaker 3: to do something different, and then it's good to actually
Speaker 3: try and do something that you're not over obsessed by
Speaker 3: and oversensitive about, because that's quite brutal. I tend to
Speaker 3: do things quite emotionally, so I will kind of carry
Speaker 3: myself along with the ride on my own records, the
Speaker 3: ups and the downs, which is traditionally the thing not
Speaker 3: to do is try and take a sort of middle
Speaker 3: stance in music, because it's too erratic the outcomes and
Speaker 3: the random variables that affect records or whether you get
Speaker 3: nominated or you don't get nominated, this happens when you
Speaker 3: sell there, you don't sell up or whatever. The thing
Speaker 3: is is to take a very rational middle ground, which
Speaker 3: I don't, but with this I might be able to,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, sort of step back and
Speaker 3: it's a bit more of a neutral thing.
Speaker 2: Do you think it also helps because there's someone else.
Speaker 3: In well exactly, it's a collaborative thing, so it's not
Speaker 3: just me. Yeah, and it helps because somebody else is
Speaker 3: there as a support. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So with that
Speaker 3: in mind, because Prince of Tears was an emotional record.
Speaker 2: I imagine you must have been asked when you were
Speaker 2: doing interviews for that record, and you're probably still being
Speaker 2: asked about it, like, oh, how are you feeling and
Speaker 2: like about.
Speaker 3: Emotions and yeah, totally yeah, I think so I was
Speaker 3: asked the other day about that, and now that's part.
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the reasons why it's quite
Speaker 3: nice to tie it up. Yeah, because it really accounts
Speaker 3: for a really dark period and it was really therapeutic
Speaker 3: writing about it. But it did stay with you.
Speaker 2: As a result, Yeah, because.
Speaker 3: It really said now I'm kind of thinking I'm not
Speaker 3: that person, and I'm in my river pad and I'm
Speaker 3: much more pretentious and less I'm much more shadow than
Speaker 3: I was like a year ago, when I was much
Speaker 3: nicer and real tears real, and now I'm much more shallow. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and become one of the characters I was moaning about
Speaker 3: in that record. Yeah, and I don't relate to anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And people keep saying to you backs, so you
Speaker 2: feel okay, because so now your record was about a
Speaker 2: breakup and that was ages ago.
Speaker 3: And I've got just pure lizard alarm illuminat emotions that
Speaker 3: I don't have them. I'm like, I'm a lizard. Fuck off.
Speaker 2: Have you been in bands before before you started working solo,
Speaker 2: like when you were a kid and stuff. Did you
Speaker 2: ever form a band?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean here, you know my mates people I
Speaker 3: still write with now. We were there was our big
Speaker 3: music room here and stuff, and yet we played a lot,
Speaker 3: but not really thought, never played gigs or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I was quite a late bloomer. I was at film
Speaker 3: score pages. I really did take it seriously till I
Speaker 3: was about twenty seven or eight. I was. I was
Speaker 3: a first ad as well. I did lots of pop
Speaker 3: videos and all that stuff, and did you I really
Speaker 3: thought about my I just never got my shit together
Speaker 3: to actually do it myself, because that was the only
Speaker 3: thing I would have been good at. I was never
Speaker 3: a very a good component within the team. I would
Speaker 3: have only been good if I was allowed to be creative.
Speaker 3: But that is such a leap. You have to just
Speaker 3: go and do it and be really cocky, don't you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that at the time.
Speaker 2: Right, What pop videos would you have worked on? That
Speaker 2: I might know?
Speaker 3: But those I tell the one that ended my career.
Speaker 3: Was a bank called Shampoo. Do you remember Shadow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: trouble these two It might have been that tune. I
Speaker 3: can't remember. And I was the first idea, was about
Speaker 3: the tenth time had become a first idea, which is
Speaker 3: quite a big deal because you were in charge of everybody.
Speaker 3: I think I was pretty young, actually I got twenty
Speaker 3: two or three, and they just fucked me up. They
Speaker 3: just were so defiant on so many drugs and their
Speaker 3: misbehavior or like, and they were unwilling to do anything
Speaker 3: they were told and that affected them. The tears of
Speaker 3: people and all the you know, because it's quite a
Speaker 3: kind of hierarchical group of people, and then all the
Speaker 3: sparks and all that started getting upset because they didn't
Speaker 3: have a lunch back, and then the whole fucking place
Speaker 3: conspired again. It was the worst day of my entire life.
Speaker 3: And they were all these like electricians and stuff or
Speaker 3: calling me Bertie Smalls from the riggings and that there's
Speaker 3: you know, there's big thing with emotion control and lots
Speaker 3: of crew. And I didn't know who Bertie Smalls was,
Speaker 3: and I somehow found out that he was a supergrass
Speaker 3: in the early eighties that got killed in his cell
Speaker 3: or something, and they were all calling me. But it
Speaker 3: was a really complicated set circumstances. But I never ever
Speaker 3: did it again.
Speaker 2: That was a point out of this for me. My
Speaker 2: acoustic change started changing the world for the music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I slowly avenged them. Yeah, very, very very Your
Speaker 3: film could be about, Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 2: Have you got an idea for the film already though? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think so. Okay, see all right, I won't chip
Speaker 3: him with the ideas. I'm sure you've got that covered.
Speaker 3: It was a good idea.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize. I didn't know you. He worked on
Speaker 2: pop videos and stuff. It feels like it sounds like
Speaker 2: such a nice job, doesn't It sounds like such like
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe not so much next. Things have changed
Speaker 2: so much and most music videos are made on an iPhone,
Speaker 2: but the idea of.
Speaker 3: Making music videos antiquated. It's like steam Era, who makes
Speaker 3: a fucking do.
Speaker 2: You still make? You still make video?
Speaker 3: Made a few for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're on a on a set, I imagine
Speaker 2: it's a lot more than the days of the nineties
Speaker 2: when massively there was just like.
Speaker 3: I'm quite bossy though still about doing I get quite involved. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I worked this an amazing guy called Roger Sergeant.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so me and Roger are quite he's quite hot,
Speaker 3: fixed skinned as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we.
Speaker 3: Made a couple of really good ones. Actually for this one.
Speaker 3: He's brilliant. He's an amazing guy.
Speaker 2: Could you just tell the story before we start recording
Speaker 2: about the sign that your dad thought about putting up here?
Speaker 3: All right, because right opposite where we are, we've got
Speaker 3: it's very I mean, a really old set of stairs
Speaker 3: that go into my old working stairs that go steps
Speaker 3: that go into the river that have no obvious purpose.
Speaker 3: But I think if you live here long enough a
Speaker 3: lot the river draws a lot of kind of emotional
Speaker 3: people in an emotional states of mind. They might come
Speaker 3: and contemplate the river. They might look a look it
Speaker 3: at it as a way of you know, ending things
Speaker 3: and stuff. And I think, you know, people must jump
Speaker 3: in all the time. We must not. You don't hear
Speaker 3: about it? Yeah, but he said three or four times
Speaker 3: he'd seen people over ten or fifteen years at night
Speaker 3: just walk in and get whisked away. He'd seen it
Speaker 3: a shocking sight. But you see it right, and you
Speaker 3: definitely I mean living here as a kid. You see
Speaker 3: corpses and stuff. You see people get washed up anyway.
Speaker 3: And he told me, because he's sitting here at night
Speaker 3: and write, he'd smoke a big spliff right and drink
Speaker 3: a beer and really contemplating, he was this brilliant idea
Speaker 3: of putting a button right next to where he sat,
Speaker 3: and he'd wait there on the third or fourth step,
Speaker 3: just before the water, just at that moment where they're
Speaker 3: deeply you know, there's still there's a there's still a
Speaker 3: margin of doubt about what they're about to commit to,
Speaker 3: but they are still definitely on the way. You have
Speaker 3: to get them at the perfectly vulnerable moment, and you
Speaker 3: press the button and constructed on our balcony would have
Speaker 3: been this huge neon green sign that said, do not
Speaker 3: do this, have a cup of tea with me, or
Speaker 3: something so biblically encouraging that you it was so shocking
Speaker 3: a sight that you would switch out immediately out of
Speaker 3: your You might just have a little moment, a little
Speaker 3: window where you got them out of there. Then they'd
Speaker 3: probably live here and it'll go wrong in another way.
Speaker 2: You must have really fond memories of this place, having grown.
Speaker 3: Up yeah, I do. Actually, yeah, it was great. You
Speaker 3: could never What you get with that type of bohemian
Speaker 3: existence is you learn so much and you and people
Speaker 3: are exposed to you that you I mean that sounds
Speaker 3: weird exposed to you, but culturally exposed to you in
Speaker 3: a way that is very wouldn't be manageable these days
Speaker 3: wouldn't be acceptable, you know. So it was a kind
Speaker 3: of Bohemian bongo jam from eleven o'clock till three o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning, and an estuary of the most weird,
Speaker 3: unsavory and brilliant people would turn up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It was all sorts of people. Sometimes you'd get fifteen
Speaker 3: people standing in a circle, all shaking something and we
Speaker 3: would run out of bongos or moroccos. So someone would
Speaker 3: be shaking a complex packet and some trans of ust
Speaker 3: like shaking corn flakes with your face. And even at
Speaker 3: a young age, I think, fuck, you know, my house
Speaker 3: is so weird. I mean it was. I once cup
Speaker 3: here when I was eleven, and this is a brilliant story,
Speaker 3: a ten or eleven, and there was a massive banging
Speaker 3: at the door and I answered, I was sleeping in
Speaker 3: the chaise lawns in the front room, and I answered
Speaker 3: the front door and there was a man with a hammer,
Speaker 3: and he was from upstairs with downstairs, but he ran
Speaker 3: the National Theater, I remember that run some important theater.
Speaker 3: And he had a hammer in his hand and I looked.
Speaker 3: It must have been about three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: And I went and he was just he was like
Speaker 3: shaking with rage. And I went away the noise, the noise,
Speaker 3: and I turned around and as I could adjust out
Speaker 3: of my street, but I had this mental noise coming
Speaker 3: from the end of the flat, going, O fucking hell.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a like a fuck of ships foghorn,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole like unbelievable noise. And I went,
Speaker 3: fuck hammer, Dad, and I could hear Dad laughing at
Speaker 3: the end. And we went and I started to walk
Speaker 3: down towards where the noise was coming, and the man
Speaker 3: followed me, but I know aware that he was behind
Speaker 3: me with the hammer, and the Dad appeared in this
Speaker 3: sort of plume of cannabis smoke, smiling, laughing, and he
Speaker 3: looked at the man with the hammer and looked at
Speaker 3: me and beck to move out the way, and he
Speaker 3: sort of ushed at the man towards him. Then and
Speaker 3: sort of led him towards the bathroom at the end.
Speaker 3: And as he opened the door of the bathroom, this light,
Speaker 3: this weird lava lampert set up sort of shone throughout
Speaker 3: the smoke, and there was like an Aboriginal man. He
Speaker 3: was actually the last of an Aboriginal tribe called Bartholomews
Speaker 3: his name was, and he was native. Was like he
Speaker 3: had a loincloth on, but his balls were hanging out
Speaker 3: in the middle of the bath and both his legs
Speaker 3: were on either side of the actual and he had
Speaker 3: a massive diggerydo there's balls rubbing against this thing. And
Speaker 3: he was playing the didgeridoo in the in the only
Speaker 3: way that was known in the last circular motion of
Speaker 3: some tribe that had learned it three hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: And he turned up when I was asleep and they'd
Speaker 3: been playing it for two hours and driven the whole block. Man.
Speaker 3: This guy had gone crackers. What did the guy with
Speaker 3: the hammer join the hammer? And he moved out two
Speaker 3: weeks later. That's all I remember, And I remember thinking,
Speaker 3: So it's like it's like there's a scene in Et
Speaker 3: which is a bit similar when the little kid sees
Speaker 3: the big when they put up all the the sort
Speaker 3: of the tents around his house. There's this amazing scene
Speaker 3: and have you seen ET.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've not seen it recently.
Speaker 3: You know, when they find they find the anim they
Speaker 3: so they put these contamination.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, and ET is in like a little kind
Speaker 2: of container thing, and.
Speaker 3: There's there's a perspective from Elliott, the little boy, who's
Speaker 3: just looking thinking, oh my god, what's happening to my life? Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's happening? What's going on? This is beyond you know,
Speaker 3: I just remember seeing it from that perspective of the
Speaker 3: cannabis smoke and the lava lamp and the naked aboriginal.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty confusing when you're woken up unexpectedly anyway,
Speaker 2: just whatever happens. But to be face that is quite something,
Speaker 2: isn't Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I was used to that. I was used
Speaker 3: to survival sleep or you know, I could adapt, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, and so those memories are fantastic wherever you
Speaker 3: can't unnaturally repeat them. And I think it's a shame
Speaker 3: for Cosmo in a way that he has not going
Speaker 3: to experience some of those kind of exciting, wild, incredibly
Speaker 3: inspiring moments, but also those experiences can rob you from
Speaker 3: who you want to be as well. You know, it's
Speaker 3: not your childhood is there to be built. You know,
Speaker 3: you're meant to be built so you can deal with
Speaker 3: the world. So sometimes so much excitement doesn't be very
Speaker 3: stable or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would you have friends over and stuff back then?
Speaker 3: Yeah, with thoroughfare?
Speaker 2: Would they just all be like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah exactly, Yeah, you're completely all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were just a gang. We were a gang and
Speaker 3: dad's mind. I used to drive us around and his
Speaker 3: Nisan micro with a Kamakazi signed around the front, and yeah,
Speaker 3: we were we lived, we were pigs in ship basically
Speaker 3: an amazing time. Yeah, by the time of fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 3: this was the gang HQ and it was great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we all smoked spliff and we all, you know, did
Speaker 3: what we wanted.
Speaker 2: So when did you move? When did you move out
Speaker 2: of here or your dad move out of here? Or like,
Speaker 2: was it was your dad here to the end of
Speaker 2: his life?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he moved out here a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I can't remember when, mid nineties something like that. It's
Speaker 3: been a long time since anyone's been there. It's been
Speaker 3: rented out and paid. I've got two brothers, half brothers,
Speaker 3: and they went to a nice school and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: and this was this paid for all that right right? Great? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was in and out all over the place. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I moved. I moved out of home really young.
Speaker 3: I was twenty one, twenty two.
Speaker 2: And your dad one other things. We did a feature
Speaker 2: in the mag last year when the One came out,
Speaker 2: and one of the things that one of my favorite
Speaker 2: visit when you were saying how your dad became friends
Speaker 2: with Paul McCartney, or Paul McCartney came around your knocked
Speaker 2: on the door, isn't he when.
Speaker 3: He came to visit dad when he was it wasn't
Speaker 3: very well. Yeah, I don't think it was totally unannounced,
Speaker 3: but I think you know, it was quite locale. Quite
Speaker 3: hey man made a cup of tea or something.
Speaker 2: That's quite nice.
Speaker 3: Quite because in fact, that Jav was over here yesterday
Speaker 3: and he just interviewed him at the Institute in Liverpool
Speaker 3: and spent two hours in and said he was amazing,
Speaker 3: said he was really, but he's quite like he's familiar, Yeah,
Speaker 3: in a way that he's not really, but he's trying
Speaker 3: to be is Jarvis Cocker a big fan of Paul McCartney.
Speaker 3: I think you'd be, I mean to the extent that
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, I mean definitely. I mean you'd like,
Speaker 3: you know, how old job. I mean, he's from that
Speaker 3: generation everyone should be in a way. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: stupid not to be and you can get over his
Speaker 3: some escapades that disencourage people for a while, and you
Speaker 3: can see it clearly now. I mean he's amazing and
Speaker 3: it like it's amazing, Like what he did, it's so
Speaker 3: amazing it is, you know, yeah, even living let dies amazing.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: He's amazing. Yeah, they can do what he wants forever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's how I feel about him. I always end up
Speaker 3: talking about him on the podcast to people. I don't
Speaker 3: know why it keeps coming back to him.
Speaker 2: I'm just pretty sure some listeners, if you get annoyed
Speaker 2: of it by now, it always leads back to Paul McCartney.
Speaker 3: Well, I think he was, because I think it all
Speaker 3: does lead back to Paul McCartney probably, And that's why
Speaker 3: it probably all really does lead back to him. If
Speaker 3: you're talking about music and British and all that. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, and I think he's now that the right.
Speaker 3: He'll age well now and it will start to make sense.
Speaker 2: He stopped dyeing his hair, which he does.
Speaker 3: Doesn't think we should leave him alone, you know, I
Speaker 3: think you know, Cosmo's got really into music. He's only fifteen,
Speaker 3: but hees got into it. And so do you revisit
Speaker 3: that catalogue and all those records and he's buying them
Speaker 3: all and buying and you go, oh, Mike, and he's
Speaker 3: showing finding the YouTube footage of him playing Blackbird for
Speaker 3: the first time in Abbey Road, and you're like, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just unbelievable. So he did what he wants.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, are we allowed to mention about the track
Speaker 2: you made with We'll make him with Jovis yesterday or yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it's only it's future works. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: a new album. I just yeah, I did a thing
Speaker 3: with job where it's just an idea. He's so proactive.
Speaker 3: Jo I had an idea when we watched the football
Speaker 3: together in our dusty suits the other day about it's
Speaker 3: just about a telephone conversation. It's really art jazz nonsense
Speaker 3: in a way. But he's it's just him having a
Speaker 3: telephone call and you can only hear one side of it, right,
Speaker 3: And I knew it'd be brilliant at it, and he
Speaker 3: said he acknowledged my idea and came around two weeks later,
Speaker 3: did it in one take and it's absolutely amazing. So
Speaker 3: we demoed it as an idea and he just utterly
Speaker 3: nailed it and it's it's kind of funny but actually
Speaker 3: quite sinister and brilliant.
Speaker 2: So this will be for your next solo record, the
Speaker 2: record after this.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm just gonna going into the studio in
Speaker 3: October started. I think we might go in with that
Speaker 3: with Paul Letworth for a while possibly, So I'm going
Speaker 3: to try out and see what happens. So yeah, we're
Speaker 3: just all. I just thought i'd get stuck in straight away,
Speaker 3: no point in. And I've written some. I've written some
Speaker 3: I think some really good tunes. Actually, yeah, you got good.
Speaker 2: You've got I think I'm going to carry on with this.
Speaker 2: Have you got more than that? You've got the one
Speaker 2: that you've done with Jarvis.
Speaker 3: Loads, I've got a bunch of Yeah, I've just been
Speaker 3: writing and then then here I'm just gonna sit there
Speaker 3: and write. So it's not hard. Yeah, it's perfect cool.
Speaker 3: I think we're done one. Thanks very much, that's good.
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