WEBVTT - Ep 60: Baxter Dury 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.640 Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.520 Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Midnight Chats. You're going 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.560 to have to take my word for this because it's 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.240 not really picking up on the microphone. But it's a 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.400 very exciting time in my neighborhood this evening. It's the 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:39.120 fifth of November when I'm recording this, and my neighborhood 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.320 goes big on the fireworks. It seems it sounds incredible 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.879 out there. I mean, kind of annoying, but it's very 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:50.159 loud and exciting, and I thought I would purposefully record 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:54.680 this intro tonight so you could get some good atmosphere 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.920 and ambiance to kind of lift this intro into something else, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:05.080 something more, And it's failed. Do you remember last two weeks 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.960 ago when I was last here, I tried to inject 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.880 some energy into these into my intro that failed as well. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.520 So the energy didn't work and the fireworks they've not 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.200 turned out the way i'd like them too. But welcome 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.360 to Midnight Chats, Episode sixty. I think we're on now. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.760 I should check this on my phone. I'm pretty sure 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:34.800 it's sixty. I should have done this before. Yes, it's sixty. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.240 Fifty nine was last week with Bobby Gillespie. Greg did 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.040 that and it's a great one. I know every week 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.480 we say, hey, listen to last week's one. It was 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.520 really good. But Bobby Gillespie, you know, the guy always 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.080 makes for good interviews. So do check that if you 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.680 haven't listened to that. This week's podcast is with Baxter 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.960 Jury and the ambience thing that I was going for, 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.120 or the ambiance of the fireworks does tie in to 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:09.400 this podcast. I recorded this with Baxter at his home 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.080 in the summer, in the middle of the heat wave 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.399 when it was like thirty two degrees and we were 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.880 at his flat which used to be his father's flat, 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.480 Ian Jury of the Blockheads, and it's right on the 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.280 River Thames, and it's got this beautiful view and this 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.679 lovely balcony. It's next to the bridge. It's down in Hammersmith. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:32.799 There's some fireworks. You must be able to hear that. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:45.040 Exciting stuff, right, exciting stuff. Anyway, we recorded this because 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.399 we were it was a really hot day and he's 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.320 got this incredible view from his balcony. We thought it 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.160 would be a really great idea to record it sat 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.000 out on his balcony and we'd get some nice kind 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.720 of atmospheric background sound of them and the water and 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.360 the birds, and we did get that, but we also 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.600 got the sound of the bridge, and the bridge makes 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.400 a fuck load of noise. It's got these rivets in it. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.079 You're gonna hear this in a minute when we get 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.360 to the interview. But I can't work out if it 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:22.120 was a good idea now, because one I felt like 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.240 I got very sunburnt because we were sat in direct 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:31.359 sunlight and the noise is actually kind of distracting. Baxter, thankfully, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.840 is an entertaining guy, with or without background noise. I 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.080 met him last year. We did a feature in the 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.520 magazine with him. We do these features called My Place, 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.000 where we shoot an artist at their home and we 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:46.920 photograph all of the things that they've got in their 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.520 house and they talk about those. And I went to Baxter. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.400 He was in a different place at that point. He 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.280 was in like a stopgap place. You can read that 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.560 if you are interested. It's very funny. Baxter is a 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.440 very funny man. And that's on Loud and Quiet dot 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:01.960 com if you want to phish that out and have 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.320 a read of that. But now, as I say, Baxter 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.840 has moved into what is essentially the apartment building that 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.800 he grew up in in his formative teenage years. Quite 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:18.359 a wild place when his father was, you know, riding 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.200 high with his band and by the sound of it, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.440 causing all kinds of chaos in this incredible mansion block 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.520 on the Thames. So yeah, it was nice to see 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.039 Baxter again. I've seen him once or twice in between, 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.440 seen a couple of his shows, which are always really good. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.159 But he's got a new project at the moment called 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.599 Bed or Beed. It's a collaborative thing. It's not just him. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:47.239 It is Baxter. That's the b The E is ettiend Creasy, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:53.000 who is also Super Discount. He's that guy, the French 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:58.880 DJ and electronic producer, and also Delia Holiday from Skinny 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.680 Girl Diet. They're not necessarily calling it a band. I 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.359 don't think they really know what they're calling it. But 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.080 it's self titled. It's called Bed and that's out now 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.080 on the Heavenly Label. For now, though, I'm going to 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:16.200 leave you with myself, Baxter Jury and an extremely noisy bridge. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.960 If you do like the podcast, please comment or like 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.320 it and subscribe, and in the meantime go and hunt 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.800 down a copy of this month's issue of Loud and Quiet. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.680 It's got Jimify Lacoste on the cover as well as 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.200 the Beastie Boys inside Rattle Samass. Loads of great new 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.680 music in there, pigs pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.920 and lots of great stuff, so please do check that out. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.320 Here is myself and Baxter. Thank you for listening to 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.039 Midnight Chats. Are we going to have one more firework 0:05:48.080 --> 0:06:17.119 before we go? No, it's back, so we can probably 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.240 start by explaining what the background noise is here where 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:21.520 we are. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.760 Well, I've just read take I've taken possession of my 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.560 old family home. Really, I now rent it off the 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.440 rest of the family, and I haven't been here for 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.920 that twenty five years, thirty years, and the last four 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.640 months Cosmo and I, my son and I have moved 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.839 back in and it's pretty splendid. I always knew it 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.159 was splendid, but it wasn't so splendid in the late 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.920 mid eighties. It was more of an experimental place to live, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:53.360 as opposed, but the conditions within the house were harsh 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.200 into the way Dad had it, which let down a 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.640 little bit how beautiful the actual Yeah, you know, it's 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.719 a bit more the way Dad wanted to live in 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.880 his special way. Sure it was a bit crackered, but 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.840 so to come back here and suddenly appreciate it, especially 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:09.720 on a day like this. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:15.440 Well it's about its late it's late twenty degrees. We 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.560 are directly on the River Thames. And the sound that 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.040 people can probably hear in the background are the cars crossing. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.200 That's Hammersmith Bridge, isn't it right? 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.600 You don't want to get a fanatic fan. I quite 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.440 like it. I did. I'm not wow, fanatic fan. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.040 Come down here? 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:35.720 Yeah, totally. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.080 It's the cars of a nearby bridge. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.080 Yeah. No, we are we overlooking Hamison Bridge, which is 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.360 an amazing bridge. It's an amazing part of and it's 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.720 kind of not like it. You know, Hammersmith just stayed 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.080 Hammersmith in the since it hasn't gone through some sort 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.000 of trend revolution or anything like. That's quite an anonymous area. 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.520 There's lots of posh energy on these people rowing and jogging. Yeah, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.400 there's a normal you know community in Hammersmith's quite tough 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.920 old area and you get a good parallel community which 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.440 we were just taking the piss out of people saying that, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:16.440 parallel community really barns over there, and that's beyond kind 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.960 of beyond. You can't imagine how like sort of steel 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:26.400 and flustered people are there. It's incredible. It's like Disney yeah. 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:29.800 Road if you go if you go straight over the 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.640 bridge and down that road, it's those huge houses. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.400 Barns common. It's just a bad conspiracy of rich. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.040 You were just saying that that you still see posh 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.480 people jumping off the bridge like pissed. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.840 Yeah, tough for it. Yeah, you get people kind of 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.960 you know, the pubs here and they leap off thinking 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.320 it's the right thing to do, but that the river's perilous. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.679 It's just it's a it's a it's been just I 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.439 think it's got a big trench in the middle of it, 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.960 which encourages these kind of really strong currents that you're 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.200 obviously invisible. So but you think it's all inviting and 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.760 still yeah, and you jump in, then it swallows you 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.440 up in a second, or it takes you and they're 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.199 actually you know, you've got imagine you're going to go on. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.960 And it's really very dangerous and most of those people 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:21.320 are just it's bravado. They're not jumping off to necessary, 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.040 they're not trying to kill themselves. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.880 They've junk something and their point of reference has gone missing, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.800 and they're very very confident for that twenty two minutes 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.560 of alcohol levels or something and they jump off a bridge. Yeah, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.760 they're posh. Nothing else to explain it. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.200 The sound of the bridge and the cars going over, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.560 because this bridge actually makes more noise than most normal 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.160 bridges because it's it's like, I don't want to say 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.520 it's a handmade bridge, but it's got these rivets. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.000 On it's well, I think I don't know what it's 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.959 about it, nothing about the rivets. But what I do 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.040 historically know about the bridge is a pre it's a 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.000 pre Victorian bridge possibly, whereas I don't know. There's death 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.560 definitely true, but it was design when cars were made. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.880 So they regulate the cars and in fact they close 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.280 it every eight years for a couple of years to 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.680 re strengthen on the suspension on it because it's not zion. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.600 But if you do notice, they regulate the buses so 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.400 only one bus has allowed it across it. Oh really, 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:20.480 and then a massive kind of like a big boat smash. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.800 It might have been a nuclear submarine or something really 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.120 dramatic smashed into it once and really messed it up. 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.520 And also they tried to blow up the IRA Bluet 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.520 tried to blow up maybe in the late eighties or 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.840 early nineties, and that really affected it. So now it's 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:36.559 very sensitive and they're. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.440 Quite a therapeutic sound. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.200 I don't know about the you know, modern awareness of 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.360 pollution and particulates. I don't know how good actually healthy 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.760 it is living here, do you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.640 it's quite quite like a brutal place there because it's 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.160 so hot living here, and there's a lot of noise 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.880 in people and you were like living on a film set. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.400 They're very exposed unless you close those very heavy velvet curtains. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.800 Everyone can see everything you do. Sure, and you grew 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.040 up here was this between here mum and dad. My 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.040 mum lived in a normal place, not far away, but 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.000 so where this is where dad lived here? 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.360 And that from being a baby like you remember this. 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.240 You know, from about eight nine or ten or something 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.439 like that. Sure, and it was quite chaotic then, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.240 what is that when he bought it, he bought it, 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.640 I think so early eighties or mid eighties or something 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.240 like that. I don't really can't remember. I just sort 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.120 of blur it out a little bit. It was just, 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.480 you know, I lived in between mum and dads and 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.760 this is where this was his domain, and it was usually, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.400 you know, my bedroom was quite a lot of the 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.920 time somebody else's bedroom, because you're just giving it to 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.439 somebody else. And you know, and there's a film that 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.160 was made about it and all that shit. But there 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.160 was a guy called the soul Fate Strangler that lived 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.000 here and all. Yeah, all that stuff, but that's all 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:53.600 been you know. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.920 I saw that film the Sex and Drugs and rock 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:57.640 and roll fild A. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.880 Lot of that actually took place here, but they just 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.680 transposed it to different locations to make it make more 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.640 narrative sense in film world. It's a lot of blocks. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.640 Actually, I saw it very recently. Actually, it was it 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.079 was just on every week. I think someone's brought the 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.480 rights to it. There they're getting their value for money. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.360 It's yeah, well, you're in it a lot. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.600 Obviously. I didn't really put to andy together that you 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.480 would be in it that obviously the character of you 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.000 would be in it. Was it weird? Were you involved 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:28.240 in that? 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.280 Film a little bit. They were really nice to us 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.400 or the people, and we were like, we did bond 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.679 with the people that made it and they were all 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.480 really nice people and Andy Cirkus and stuff, and yeah, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.120 they were really you know, we watched the process was 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.040 very interesting and they rebuilt houses that we lived in 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.520 as kids, and it was all pretty weird. Yeah, it 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.800 was a pretty weird experience. I mean, you know, you 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:56.920 can I can't imagine anyone that has anything. Anyone attempting 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:02.640 to create a detailed, accurate representation of somebody's real life. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.960 You're always going to have it's always going to be disappointing. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.679 So we're the worst people to ask. Yeah, yeah, you 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.320 know what I mean. So I think it's not fair 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.400 for me to say, oh, it's not It wasn't right 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.280 because they were making you know, you've got to you 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.760 have a narrative vista or something that you have to 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:23.920 attempt to put a certain amount of entertaining information across 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.199 in a package. And that's what it is, and that's 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.480 a really difficult thing to do. So you have to 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:34.320 take that, you know, the extreme and entertaining, entertaining moments 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.240 of people's lives squash it. Together and go make it 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.800 into some sort of fantasy tale. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.480 Yeah, And ultimately then the end result is that anyone 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.840 that watches the film then thinks that it. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.720 Was like that all the time, Like well, you know, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.800 and in los of ways, it's kind of a soft 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.079 version as well, because the real details of a life 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.920 like that are quite hard to portray, you know, They're 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:01.960 hard to kind of get across in a in a 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:03.200 filmic way. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.520 So yeah, but did they film any of it? 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.880 They didn't have access and they didn't even use this 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.040 as a location, but a lot of the events to 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.600 you know what, a lot of stuff happened here. Yeah. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.440 Have you ever thought about going into film that world? 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:20.360 Just generally? 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.600 I did a little bit as I was a kid, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.360 because it was a thing, you know. But yeah, I 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.200 mean I always thinking I really like it as a 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.160 As a I really always dream that I'm going to 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.880 write one of my stories into a story and have 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:38.520 enough patience to write something down and then turn it 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.920 into some form of short film and then someone's going 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.040 to love that and turn it into a massive one. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.400 And I think that might happen, but it's you know, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.320 I'm still thinking about it. I think about it so 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.240 much without actually ever doing anything about it. So yeah, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.440 I hope. So I really liked film, I know a lot. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.120 But I even went to film school in New York. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.040 Did you what what year was that? In late nineties 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:01.560 or something. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.160 New York has still been a bit. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.360 Yeah, it was just changing. Did Mayor Gilliazaviana whatever his 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.640 name was, came in and it was just kicking ass 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:11.680 and he was evicting all the bad people. But it 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.320 was said, I was a right up lived up on 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.800 ninety fourth Street, and it was still relatively heavy, especially 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.200 someone like me with a nervous disposition. I thought it 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.120 was heavy, but it was. It was great. Yeah, and 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:26.800 we it was a course at NYU that was The 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:33.120 patrons were Spike Lee and Scorse. You never met them, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:37.680 but they'd structured this course and that was absolutely unbelievably 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.880 amazing thing to do. And there were only two English 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.200 people and everybody else was either from around Europe or 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.480 mostly from different weird parts of America, all in this 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.200 big melting pot. It was unbelievable. Yeah, four months of 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.800 it we had we had the especially special filming dispensations 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.920 where you can film anywhere and almost take over anywhere 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.880 based on someone's permission, and in New York. So we 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.120 took over a church and we lived. We stayed down. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.360 You could stop, but you know, some way film there 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.480 and we made these end of year films or end 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:09.520 of course films. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.360 So how long would you been, like eighteen or now? 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.760 I was about twenty three or four? Okay, So I 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.320 was really serious about it after that. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.120 Did you at that point did you think I'm going 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.160 to be a filmmaker, I'm going to make films. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:22.560 I sort of thought about it a lot. I mean, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.000 I think you know more than I do sometimes, So yeah, 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.680 I thought about it. I should have ended up acting 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.840 in all the films as opposed to making them. So 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.720 it just became a kind of more of an actory 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.520 type dude, yeah in it, you know. So maybe that 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:36.920 was more of a transition to. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.640 I studied film. It wasn't quite as glamorous as New York. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:42.640 I was in Uxbridge. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.720 It was at the Beccons Film I know, it's different. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.800 It was just at Brunell University, right, Okay? 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:48.520 Was it good? 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.760 Well? I realized very quickly I was in over my head. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:52.320 Okay. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:53.880 You know, as soon as I got there, I thought, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:55.960 oh shit, I don't think I like film the way 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.800 these people like film. They were all talking about Japanese 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:05.160 directors and you know they were they were hard. Yeah, exactly, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.360 they knew everything before we were told it. And I 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.080 was like, oh god, okay. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.920 Yeah, that they were deeply was a degree course. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:12.520 It's a degree. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.920 Yeah yeah yeah, but there's I mean, to do any 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.840 kind of course like that over three or four years, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.200 you have to go so nuanced. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.959 Yeah. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't prepared. I enjoyed it, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.320 but I just wasn't. I wasn't great at it. And 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.480 I think my tastes aren't. My tastes are maybe a 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:29.320 bit too mainstream. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:30.880 Yeah, you like face Off? 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.960 I love face Off. I watched face Off recently. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:41.080 That's always always Cosmos film is brilliant. Watched about eight 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.800 minutes and you mean, dad, it's so poor and patronized modernly, 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.360 it's so sexist, patronizing, irrelevant. 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.879 I went, all right, I mean he's completely right. But 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.199 I mean when you watch face Off now, and that 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:57.880 is another film. It's always on TV. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.800 Yeah, the parallel out they go in tandem and sex 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.399 and drugs all the time. There's one channel that just 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:06.680 plays those those two. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.720 I mean, it's so bad, isn't it? But my favorite 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.760 John Travolta. I'm quite fascinated with John Travolta. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:14.560 It's strange. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.240 Dude's one hundred percent my favorite scientologist. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:19.639 Who's he competing against? 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.920 Beck? There's Beck, there is Tom Cruise. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:25.560 Any women are there? 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:26.760 Castially? 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.320 Actually, I. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.240 Would struggle to tell you what she's been in. I 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.760 think she was in Cheers? Was she in Cheers? You'd 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.560 know if I showed you a picture. But no, there's 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.400 not a huge mega style one. I don't think. 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:42.320 No, she's not. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.160 But she's the type you can imagine, don't you think. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.879 But Travolta in Face Off is the film? 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:50.639 Right? Yeah? 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.440 And obviously Nicolas Cage another incredible performance from Really Weird. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.600 But you're right that that's kind of more. You know, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.560 I wasn't into the Andese stuff. What stuff are you 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.360 into other than other than Face Off? 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.119 Well, I'm really particular, and I think I'm sort of 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:12.119 know what which films are actually are good. I believe 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.360 that I know the ones that are good, and they're 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:19.919 non Zoti genre a pacific is that right term? But 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.520 I you know, I just like good films, but they 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.040 could span, they could go back years ago. You know, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.040 we grew up watching a lot of old school James 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.600 Cagney for you know, all sorts of old gangster films 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.720 and Bogue art films and then scores asies for you know, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.360 anything good. It's rerealty difficult to make a good film. 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.639 I mean, they don't make good films anymore because the 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.080 page there's. People are too fragmented, aren't they, and budgetary 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:51.080 pressures make people do things based on weird box office 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.359 expectations stuff. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.960 I saw the worst film I think I've ever seen, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.080 actually whilst I was on holiday last week. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:19:59.920 Yeah, what was that? 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.840 It's a Marvel film. I'm not a big Marvel I'm 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.240 not a big I'm not into it anyway, but when 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.840 I do see one, if I think watch one, I 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.119 do actually kind of big grudging. So actually it was 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.200 quite fun. Yeah, I quite enjoy I think that's quite 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.480 well done. There's a new one called ant Man and 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.480 the Wasp. 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:18.400 I don't airplane. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.359 You watched it, No, I was. I was at a 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.840 drive in movie, yeah, and it was in the States, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.800 and it was about going to the movies in so 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.880 we had to watch whatever was on and it was that. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:32.680 I mean it was atrocious. 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.320 It was appalling, really and they don't care anyway, right, 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.400 so bad. How do you hear the film? 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.480 If you're sitting in your car, you tune in your 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:44.920 radio to a frequency. 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:46.520 It depends on how good your radio is. 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.760 It does, yeah, and we're in a pretty good higher 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.800 car so it sound was amazing. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:58.160 Visual experience, yeah, was with like unsavory people having sex. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.639 No, it's quite a fairly affair. It was like watching 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.200 something at Somerset House or something. Okay, like it was 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:09.119 quite picnicky and there were some really people who just 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.119 go there. It must go there every week, and they 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:12.560 had proper chairs and. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.680 They did the whole experience and stuff. 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:18.680 So it was good. It was fun. But the shiptest 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.960 film ever. I mean genuinely, I'm not surprised. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.760 I mean I think they all are. I mean, I 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.720 don't you know, I think the next great film might 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:27.320 be my one. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.200 You have? You have you started, right, I'm. 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.680