1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, it's another 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: listener Questions episode. That's my listener Questions episode song. You 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: guys will sometimes write into me some questions about animals 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and heck, you know what, I answer 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: them because that's who I am. And this week I 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: have some really interesting questions. So let's get right into them. 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Although I guess before I do. If you have questions 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: that you really want me to answer, You're you it's 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: just been a thing that's been keeping you up night 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: after night. You're like, please answer this animal question. I 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: I need, I need to sleep. You can write to 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: me at Creature feature pot at gmail dot com with 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: your question, and I endeavor to respond always. Either I 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: will respond to your email or when I do these 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: listener question episodes, I will respond on the air. So 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: thank you guys for writing into me. Now let's get 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: right into the first question. So here is the first 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: listener email. I have a question about primary colors and 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: how we view them. Are what we view as primary colors? 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Universal or is it just an emergent property from how 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: our cones are set up. I eat as blue and 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: yellow always make green or is that an effect caused 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: by our r G B cones. Thank you so much 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and keep up the fantastic work. This is from Matt G. 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: First of all, Hi Matt, thank you. That is a 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: great question. This is it's very interesting, right. So, like 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: when we see color, it is light entering our eyeballs 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: and hitting sensory cells at the back of our eye 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: what is called the retina, and these sensory cell are 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: called rods and cones. Rods don't have much to do 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: with seeing color. They're mostly used to be able to 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: see in dim light. They're highly sensitive to light, but 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: they are not so sensitive to color. That's why I 36 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: like when it's really dark out, like at night, like 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: your sort of night vision, you don't really see color 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: very well. You just see light and dark. But your cones, 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: the other sensory cells in your eyeballs, actually can pick 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: up on colors. And we have three types of cones. 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: So with that information in your head, let's talk a 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: little bit about color. So color as pigments and color 43 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: as light wavelengths are slightly different. Of course, ultimately, when 44 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: we look at a pigment, we are seeing that color 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: due to light wavelength. So light bounces off a pigment 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: enters our eye and that's how we see it. But 47 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: primary colors for pigments are very different from the red, green, blue, 48 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: or yellow wavelengths of light in terms of how they 49 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: mix and produce colors. So if you mix blue and 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: yellow paint, it will make green, But if you combine 51 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: blue and yellow light, it actually makes a white light. 52 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: So if you combine green and red light, you get yellow, 53 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: whereas green and red paint makes a sort of muddy brown. 54 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: And if you mix all of the colors of paints, 55 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: as you probably know from kindergarten, it creates brown. But 56 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: if you mix all of the light colors like you 57 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: have of spotlights and all sorts of different color, and 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: you mix all of them, it's going to create white. 59 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: So light wavelengths interact in different ways than pigment molecules 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: to create color. So I wouldn't say that primary colors 61 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: are universal because wavelengths of light don't simply come in 62 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: like red, blue and yellow or red blue and green. 63 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Primary colors like red, yellow, and blue are based on 64 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: paint pigments and color theorists came up with these as 65 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: primary colors. It's not based in the science of light. 66 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: But even when it comes to light, I wouldn't say 67 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: there are exact primary colors. So while we sometimes describe 68 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: our cones as being sorted into three categories of red cones, 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: blue cones, and green cones, meaning that these cones pick 70 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: up on those types of light, uh, it's actually a 71 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: little bit messier than that. A light is a spectrum, 72 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: so our eyes pick up on the spectrum of wavelengths. 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: So we have three types of cone cells, and they 74 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: don't each only pick up on one type of color. 75 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: There's actually a range of light wavelengths that are able 76 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: to trigger each type of cone cells. So instead of 77 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: labeling these cone cells as red cones, blue cones, and 78 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: green cones, perhaps the more accurate name is L M 79 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: and S cones, which stands for long, medium, and short, 80 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: referencing the types of wavelengths they tend to be sensitive to. 81 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: So S cone cells. Short wavelength cone cells mostly pick 82 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: up on blue light because blue light tends to have 83 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: a shorter wavelength. But more precisely, there's like a bell 84 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: curve from around four hundred nanometers wavelength to five thirty 85 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: nanometers of wavelength that these s cones can but don't 86 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: always pick up on. So this is the same case 87 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: with the medium and long cones. In fact, they overlap 88 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: with each other quite a bit. So, uh, these are 89 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: the green and red cones. The M cones, the medium 90 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: cones pick up on a good amount of green light, 91 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: but they can also pick up on some yellow and red, 92 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: and the L cones, the long cones pick up on 93 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: mostly red light, but they can also pick up a 94 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: little bit of yellow green. So there's overlaps of the 95 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: ranges of the type of light that each cone can 96 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: respond to. Not only is each cone capable of picking 97 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: up a spectrum of light, the color you perceive is 98 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: actually determined by the combination and strength of activity of 99 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: your cones. So say you've got some short wave length 100 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: cones that are picking up some blue, and then you've 101 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: got some of the long wavelengths cones that are picking 102 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: up red. You may see something like kind of a 103 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: purply color or something, or or you know, the the 104 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: number of of cone cells that are being activated or 105 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: the strength of the activation is going to determine how 106 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: bright something is, what color is going to be, the hue, 107 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: and that's why we can see an incredible, nearly infinite 108 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: range of colors, shades, and his. It's a little bit 109 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: about human eyeballs. Humans are trichromats. We typically have three 110 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: types of cones that detect three ranges of light, those S, M, 111 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: and L cones that I described earlier. Most mammals are 112 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: actually die chromats, having only the S cones the short wavelengths, 113 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: and the ELK cones the long wavelength cones. Um. But 114 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: there are also monochromats, animals who do not perceive color 115 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: and seeing black and white. Now you may have heard 116 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: at some point that dogs see in black and white. 117 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: That's not true. Dogs are actually die chromats, so they 118 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: do see a range of color, maybe not as much 119 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: of a range as humans do. But in terms of monochromats, 120 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: animals that truly only perceived in black and white. Uh. 121 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: These are typically cetaceans like whales and dolphins and pinnipeds, seals, 122 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: sea lions, and walruses. But before we get too smug 123 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: about our amazing color vision, there are also animals who 124 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: have more cones than humans. These are tetri chromats, which 125 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: include certain species of birds, reptiles, fish, and amphibians. Uh. 126 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: In fact, it's thought that the common ancestor to all 127 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: vertebrates was actually a tetrachromat having four types of cone cells, 128 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: but that many mammals lost these extra cones, and the 129 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: reason perhaps that we lost these extra cones is the 130 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: nocturnal bottleneck. This is the theory that most mammals were 131 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: forced to become nocturnal due to predation and competition with dinosaurs. 132 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: So tetrachromats having those four combes can see a wider 133 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: range of light wavelengths, and often this includes you V light. However, 134 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: you do not have to be a tetrachromat to see 135 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: u V light. All you need is at least one 136 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: of your cone cells to be sensitive to that light 137 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: and for your eyeball to actually allow you V light 138 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: to pass through the lens. So, for instance, human cones 139 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: can theoretically detect u V light, but the light is 140 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: actually blocked by our lens, So people without the lens 141 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: or with an artificial lens are actually slightly sensitive to 142 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: UV light and can see a sort of bluish white 143 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: or violet light, but that's not to say that this 144 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: is the same as say, another animal who can see 145 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: UV light, because our cones may not be quite as 146 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: sensitive to UV light or pick up the full range 147 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: of UV lights, so a tetra chromat might see this 148 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: light in a much richer way. We just simply don't 149 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: know what it's like. Because we're not a bird. We 150 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: can never get into the brain of a bird. Well, 151 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to say never, but with our current 152 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: technology so far, we have not avatar into the brain 153 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: of a bird, even though I would love that. That's 154 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: my dream. Well, we're gonna take a quick break, but 155 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: when I get back, I'm gonna talk about some more 156 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: or less or questions and answer them to the best 157 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: of my ability. So here is an email in response 158 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: to my recent Falling style episode. This listener wrote, I 159 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: like this as usual, but you left out flying fish. 160 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: I wonder if you could do an entire episode about 161 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: flying fish. There is a southern constellation of Volands, the 162 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: Volands the flying fish, but there are no legends associated 163 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: with it. It's a modern one invented by astronomers during 164 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: the Age of exploration. Astronomers made up a lot of 165 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: constellation which are no longer quote official. Today, there are 166 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: eighty eight official constellations, many of which are animals, and 167 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: many of the constellations no longer official were also animals, 168 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: such as the cat, the toad, and the flamingo. There 169 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: are not any plant constellations. Wikipedia has an article on 170 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: the former constellations. Could you do an episode about the constellations? 171 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: This is from Steven M. Thank you so much, Steven. Honestly, 172 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like you know way more about constellations than 173 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: I do. I love constellations. I love the stars. Typically 174 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: I can't see them because I live in the city 175 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: and light pollution prevents us from seeing the full range 176 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: of stars, which is kind of sad. But the last 177 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: time I went up into the mountains, I did have 178 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: a wonderful view of the sky. I actually went to 179 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: like a a star tour thing where they told you 180 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: about all these constellations and all these stories like these 181 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: ancient I guess tales, and it was it was still 182 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: kind of difficult, uh, And I really can see why 183 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: it was such a wonderful storytelling tool. You're lying there 184 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: in the dark, maybe it's a little spooky or a 185 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: little scared of predators, but then you have all these 186 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: bright stars, and so you can point to them and 187 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: connect the dots and come up with stories. And it's 188 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: something that while it's not true that these stars never change. 189 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: Of course, physicists would tell you that there is of 190 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: course change in in the stars and in the night sky, 191 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: but it's very slow. And they are such a wonderful 192 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of constant thing that we all share to look 193 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: up at. But I sadly don't know that much about constellations. Yeah, 194 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: maybe I'll do some research into it and see if 195 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: I can, you know, do an episode about the real 196 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: animals behind these constellations. But onto the other aspect of 197 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: your question, which was flying fish, and those I do 198 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: know a bit about, so I agree that flying fish 199 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: are amazing. They are a family of fish found all 200 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: over the world in tropical and subtropical oceans. They tend 201 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: to be around seven to twelve inches long, which is 202 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: seventeen to thirty centimeters, which makes them appetizing snacks for 203 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: larger fish. So they have developed a strategy. They will 204 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: take to the skies. They will launch themselves out of 205 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: the water, spread these amazing fishy wings and glide incredible distances. 206 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: So their pectoral fins have evolved to splay out like 207 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: membranous plane wings, and they can leap into the air 208 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: and glide amazingly long distances up to around around a 209 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty feet or fifty meters at a time, 210 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: which is just incredible. Uh. In fact, some of the 211 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: records for flight are even longer due to having a 212 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: nice updraft from say like a large wave. They have 213 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: been recorded to have reached up to one thousand, three 214 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: hundred feet or four hundred meters. That's I mean for 215 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: something that is a fish, right, it is not supposed 216 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: to be flying around. That is incredible. They're also fast. 217 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: They can go over thirty five miles an hour or 218 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: fifty six kilometers an hours, so these are serious flyers 219 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: like I would. I mean, it's true that they are gliders. 220 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: They don't necessarily get much altitude when are out of 221 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: the water, and they glide rather than flap their wings. 222 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: But it is for a fish, I mean, come on, 223 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: that's incredible. Uh. Those amazing wings that are so aerodynamic 224 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: and great for flying aren't so great for swimming, so 225 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: they usually just keep them tucked at their side and 226 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: do not use them for swimming. Just use torso movements 227 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: and their um their tails to swim around, and it 228 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: is it's incredible given that they are just like they 229 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: are able to launch themselves clear out of the water 230 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: just from the flicking of their back tails and their 231 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: abdomens um. While their flight can get them out of 232 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: sticky situations with predatory fish. Sometimes they will then get 233 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: picked off by predatory birds. So it's kind of like 234 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: out of the frying ocean into the frying sky. Yeah, 235 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Anyways, onto another list or quashed on. 236 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: So Justine s to me about a viral video of 237 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: a two can with c through skin and asked if 238 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: it is real. Uh So, yes, this video of a 239 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: two can where they pulled back at the nape of 240 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: its neck and it's you can see right through the skin. 241 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: It is a real video. But I think it is 242 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: important for some context lest you think that, uh, two 243 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: cans like under their skin are just kind of like 244 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: look like they're made out of glass or something. So 245 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: in the video, someone parts the feathers on the nape 246 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: of a two cans neck, revealing this c through membranous skin. 247 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: Uh So, first of all, it's not necessarily a two 248 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: can specific trait. Birds in general have very thin skin. 249 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: They evolved to become very light, you know, these light 250 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: hollow bones, thin skins because they had to drop a 251 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: lot of weight, a lot of ballasts so that they 252 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: could fly. So, yes, birds have very thin skin. They 253 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: do not like to be insulted. Uh. And also, if 254 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: you shine a bright light source behind a fold of 255 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: a bird's skin, it becomes translucent. You can even, like 256 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: for some small birds, shine a light on the top 257 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: of their heads to be able to see how thick 258 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: their skulls are. So the reason it looks so remarkable 259 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: with the two can is that two cans. Uh. It's 260 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: the feather pattern of the two cans. They do not 261 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: have any down. They just have an outer layer of 262 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: feathers that grow in rows. And in between the rows 263 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: of these feathers, there's actually no feather growth. Um. Normally 264 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: this isn't so noticeable because the feathers will overlay each 265 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: other and hide the skin. But if you part the feathers, 266 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: you can see bald areas of skin where are there 267 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: where there are no feathers growing. And if you gently 268 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: pull the nape of their neck and shine a light 269 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: through it, the skin is translucent. Now in the video, 270 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: it may look like you can see like the bird's 271 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: spine or something, but that thick part that you can 272 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: that is not see through and the skin is actually 273 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: not its spine. It's a thick band uh that is uh, 274 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: this vascular area from which the feathers grow. So that's 275 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: like that's the row that the feathers are all growing 276 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: out of, and it's kind of thicker, vascularized, So it 277 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: is not its spine. You're not seeing its skeleton through 278 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: its skin. You're just seeing sort of a flap of 279 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: membrane of skin. I mean, if you sort of shine 280 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: a light through a thinner part of your skin, like 281 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: through your palm or something, or through a finger, you 282 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: can see. It's not transparent or translucent, but you can 283 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: see like some veins. You can even like if you 284 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: shine a light through an ear or something, you can 285 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: see some blood vessels at times. So it's like, you know, 286 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: this is not something unique to uh two birds or 287 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: to this two can, but for sure, uh in this 288 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: particular case, the combination of the two can not having feathers, 289 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: they're having sort of a thin uh nape of its 290 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: neck and having very thin skin yes, that skin is translucent. 291 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a quick break, and when I 292 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: get back, it's hey, guess what more or less sir questions, 293 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: see you soon. So we are back. Uh, And here 294 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: is another listener email that I received. I suggest you 295 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: do an episode on legless lizards and how they are 296 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: different from snakes. This could be a fun look at 297 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: parallel evolution. Thank you for a great part. Thank you 298 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: for a great podcast, Daniel L. So, Yeah, this is 299 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: an amazing thing. I love legless lizards, all of them. Um, 300 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: this is a great example of convergent evolution. So the 301 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: distinction between parallel and convergent evolution is it's I personally, 302 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: it always confuses me. It's kind of nit picky and 303 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: tricky and like, there's technically a difference, but it's really 304 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: hard to kind of make that determination. And sometimes they 305 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: are like debates about it. But uh, it's subjective. But 306 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: this is my best way of explaining it. Convergent. Uh. 307 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: The reason I would say that the case of legless 308 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: lizards and snakes is a case of convergent evolution is 309 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: that the last common ancestors of snakes and lizards had legs, 310 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: and then snakes and lizards diverged, and then the UH 311 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: snakes developed likelessness on their own, and then the lizards 312 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: then developed likelessness in some species, so then they reconverge. 313 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: So like when they like diverge and then reconverge with 314 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: traite UH or they start off kind of looking different 315 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: and then converge, that's convergent evolution, whereas like with parallel evolution, 316 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: I would say that's usually like, you know, they don't 317 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily have that like initial divergence or initial 318 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: separation in terms of traits. Their traits kind of like um, 319 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: you know, they may they start at point A and 320 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: they both independently get to point B, whereas with convergent evolution, 321 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: they start at point A and point C and then 322 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: both of them come to point B. It's not that's 323 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: maybe not the best explanation of it or the most 324 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: encapsulates all aspects of it, like the relatedness of species 325 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: and so on. But for me, that's kind of a 326 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: good heuristic to tell the difference between convergent and parallel evolutions. 327 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: So in this case, I would say legless legless lizards 328 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: UH and snakes are an example of convergent evolution. So 329 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: legless lizards are indeed not snakes. Snakes are not simply 330 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: defined as lizard without legs. Even now that's kind of 331 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: what it seems like they are. So snakes diverged from 332 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: lizards around a hundred and fifty million years ago. In fact, 333 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: you can see these different evolutionary stories when you compare 334 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: legless lizards with snakes. There are some significant differences, such 335 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: as legless lizards having ear holes and eyelids, which snakes 336 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: do not have. Also, uh, legless lizards have really long 337 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: tails whereas snakes do not. Know this sounds weird, right, 338 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Like what what part of the snake is the tail 339 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: versus just a more snake. It's not that clear, but 340 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: snakes actually have relatively short tails. The tail part is 341 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: behind their pelvis and does not contain any internal organs. 342 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: It's a tail, whereas the rest of the snake, It's like, 343 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: this is its body, it's torso, it's above the pelvis, 344 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: it contains or internal organs, it's stomach, etcetera. Um. So, 345 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: like the tail part is a different part of the snake. 346 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: Even though it all seems like just like one tube. Uh, 347 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: it does have an internal structure of course, uh not 348 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: only did lizards and snakes independently evolve leglessness. Even among 349 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: the legless lizards, there are many cases of independent evolutionary 350 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: paths that all led to no legs, which is incredible. Apparently, 351 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: ditching legs when you are a burrower, like when you 352 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: burrow in dirt, is a fairly popular and successful evolutionary strategy. 353 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: So there are at least eight groups of lizards who 354 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: have all independently lost their legs, and each group contains 355 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: multiple species. Some legless lizards look fairly snake like, some 356 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: look kind of chunky, uh, they're like thick, and some 357 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: kind of look like pink worms. They're really wonderful. It's 358 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: a very diverse group of animals. Um, there are also lizards. 359 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: In fact, it's such a popular strategy that it seems 360 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: to happen really quickly. There are Australian lizards called skinks 361 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: that essentially became legless in around three and a half 362 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: million years, which that sounds like a lot of time, 363 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: but in terms of evolution, uh, that is very very short. 364 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: So it sounds counterintuitive, right, Like, legs seem like a 365 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: really good evolutionary trait. Why would you get rid of 366 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: something that helps you get around well, if you spend 367 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of time in like sand or soil, essentially 368 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: just kind of swimming around and sand, having legs doesn't 369 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: necessarily help you that much. And so by getting rid 370 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: of the legs, you've made yourself more streamlined. Uh, you've 371 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: you know, it's always costly to have extra parts and evolution. 372 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: You typically you don't keep apart um that you don't 373 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: need because it is it usually costs something. Now, sometimes 374 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: you do. You'll have like a vestigial organ or a 375 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: vestigial body part if it's not really costing you that 376 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: much and it doesn't affect your survival. Um. But generally speaking, 377 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: if you have something that is not helping you and 378 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: it is maybe even getting in your way, you will 379 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: become more streamline. You will lose that. So uh, this 380 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: is uh, this has happened in many different animal lineages. Um. 381 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: I mean, in fact, like we talked about swepts uh recently, 382 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: but their little legs have become almost vestigial. They still 383 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: use their little feet to like hang onto the sides 384 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: of buildings and stuff, but they cannot walk on those legs. 385 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: They really can only fly and basically cling onto sides 386 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: of buildings with these little tiny uh hook hooks on 387 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: their feet. Um. And in fact, this like snake body 388 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: right is not only is not unique to reptiles, there 389 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: are also amphibians. These are called scis aliens. They are 390 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: a group of amphibians that look like a cross between 391 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: a worm and a snake, and they are legless amphibians, 392 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: so they live underground and despite looking like large worms, 393 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: their diet is typically made up of worms. So I 394 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: guess you are what you eat, although yeah, I don't know. 395 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: It's like I'm trying to imagine like these sicilians, which 396 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: are basically like big worms, just eating a small worm. 397 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: It feels wrong in a way, even though I know 398 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: it's right. Anyways. The Sicilian species buller and Jewela titana uh, 399 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: found in southeast Kenya, is a grayish blue worm like animal. 400 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: It's an amphibian of course, with segmented rings kind of 401 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: like I don't know if there's any dune fans out there, 402 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: but it kind of looks like a dune worm but small. 403 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: It's it's pretty small, um, you know. It's it's like 404 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: it looks like an overgrown earthworm. And female els lay 405 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: eggs but they have a special trick when it comes 406 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: to childcare. She grows a special layer of fatty, nutritious skin. Uh, 407 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: and then it allows its offspring to nibble this skin. 408 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: So it's like, it's always fascinating to me when animals 409 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: like of course, mammals have lactation, right, we feed our 410 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: young through memory glands that produce milk. But mammals are 411 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: not the only ones that like produce some kind of 412 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: bodily affluence that we feed our young. Uh. The Sicilian 413 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: literally feeds it like mom jerky, jerky made out of 414 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: the mother. Uh that it basically the young can just 415 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: kind of peel off full chunks of it and nibble 416 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: on it and it gives them nutrition. Of course, there's 417 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: like birds that have developed crop milk where they uh 418 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, create this sort of fatty, lipid rich slurry 419 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: and their crop and regurgitated for their young. So uh. 420 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: And some animals, like certain spiders, we'll just let their 421 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: young eat them oh once they hatch. So you know, gosh, 422 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: the love of a mother, I don't know, I mean, 423 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: I you know, I feel like I have a maternal instinct. 424 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I had little baby eat my 425 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: skin just gonna put that out there. Well, that is 426 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: it for a listener questions. But of course we have 427 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: to do the Mystery Animals sound game. Now. I'm sorry 428 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: to say there is no new Mystery animal sounded this week. Um. 429 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: I will reveal the answer to last week's Mry animals 430 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 1: sound actually next week. But hey, that just gives you 431 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: an extra week to try and guess last week's Mr 432 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: Animal sound. But here is a refresher for what that 433 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: was if in case you missed it. Last week's hint 434 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: was this the Sharks and the Jets are about to 435 00:27:49,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: have a showdown. They really ought to calm down. Uh. 436 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: So that that there's that. Uh here's another hint. It's 437 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: not aliens. But if you think you know who's squawking 438 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: right to me at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. 439 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: You can also write your animal questions again. I will 440 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: try to answer them either right back to you or hey, 441 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: even answer them on the podcast. Thank you guys so 442 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: much for listening. I really appreciate it. I hope you 443 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: like these listener Questions episodes. It really helps me out because, 444 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: first of all, I really enjoy seeing your questions. It 445 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: often sends me down on a research rabbit hole, so 446 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: I love that, but also it's it's a little bit chill, 447 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: it's a little laid back. It gives me a little 448 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: breather while also being able to talk to you guys 449 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: like directly, which I love. Um. So yeah, thank you 450 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: so much for listening. 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