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Speaker 5: As always, Jenkins and Jones hosted by le Jethro Jenkins,

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I'm a good I'm GUARDI b aka Mike

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Speaker 6: We're produced as always by the lovely and talented Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Stuff.

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Speaker 2: Why why we gotta know Josh today?

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Speaker 5: I'm assuming Jackson said, I'm happy to produce this podcast

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Speaker 5: all by myself.

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Speaker 6: Is that what happened?

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Speaker 3: Josh is on a.

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Speaker 7: Flight, but I am happy to produce his pod myself.

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Speaker 5: Your Boston Celtics, Your Boston Celtics did it. Congratulations NBA champs, gentlemen.

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Speaker 5: Sweet how are you feeling, Jackson?

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Speaker 7: I feel great. I hate to say it, but I

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Speaker 8: Shocker, I know, because because I know this, this this

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Speaker 8: I know Mike is, Mike is trying is like bang

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Speaker 6: But it feels a little sick. I am.

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Speaker 5: I'm overwhelmed with joy. I'm just a little bit sick.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I don't I'm not as effusive as

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Speaker 8: Yes, of course, of course, of course it it feels awesome.

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Speaker 8: It is awesome to watch your favorite team win a title.

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Speaker 8: when the prevailing narrative and deserved in some capacity, was

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Speaker 6: Let's not do that.

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Speaker 8: He also did one at the at the after party.

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Speaker 6: Uh after party was the worst one on.

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Speaker 3: The after party, I didn't see them.

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Speaker 6: I saw what if I never won? What if we won?

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Speaker 1: I saw the fake ass KG commercial, the fake ass

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that moment. Yeah, wait, so he did

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Speaker 6: Actually have no problem with the we did it.

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Speaker 5: It was the pretend surprise to like, man, we did it.

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Speaker 1: No like and and and that's a question I want

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Speaker 3: We got to see they really made of that.

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Speaker 8: also twelve when that happens. That's part of why that

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Speaker 8: there was no adversity, there was no there was no drama.

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Speaker 8: There was overcoming all the narratives that people had been

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Speaker 8: in terms of actual basketball, they didn't overcome anything really.

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Speaker 8: In the playoffs, they had one epic moment come back

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Speaker 7: The Pacers that was sick Jaylen Brown shot.

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Speaker 6: One of the best games of the playoffs, for sure,

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Speaker 8: But that even in the finals, like yes, of the

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Speaker 8: So it definitely feels good, but it does it hasn't

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Speaker 1: They just didn't maximize each other together. They balled the

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Speaker 1: A a championship back, like I said, kills a lot

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think like I think, like the go ahead,

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I want you to eat it up, please

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Speaker 5: I mean, it kills the narrative a little bit about

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Speaker 5: by far the best number two, you know what I

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Speaker 5: mean in the league, like salute, and I don't even

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Speaker 5: my friends, I mentioned this y'all last night when those

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Speaker 5: legitimately like, hey, I texted a bunch of my friends.

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Speaker 5: a favorite, Like go make your easy money, and that

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Speaker 6: And I got like a.

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Speaker 1: You know, yes, I think I think. I think with

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Speaker 5: Being willing to do that, I'm actually not even saying

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Speaker 8: It's like, man, you were it's a little bit of

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Speaker 8: Which is amazing, which is amazing, which is unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: and then back to back in the NBA.

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00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:11,439
Speaker 7: I have retired.

442
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,159
Speaker 5: Here's my here, here's my embarrassing diehard basketball fan of mission.

443
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,919
Speaker 5: I was very emotionally happy for Al Horford last night,

444
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 5: like like like I love It's okay.

445
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 3: We have always said that.

446
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,359
Speaker 6: I love that he's been on some teams.

447
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 5: I really I really loved, and I was every time

448
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 5: he had a big every time here Drew Holliday had

449
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 5: a big moment in that series.

450
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 6: I was always like, do you know.

451
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 1: Do you know he held the record for most Postzealand

452
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 1: games without a ring?

453
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 6: Oh?

454
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 3: No, did not know that.

455
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 6: That's why that's why I'm happy for alhar.

456
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,880
Speaker 1: Do you know who's the record holder now? No, Dan's hard,

457
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 1: good old Jimbo tell.

458
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 3: You buddy, he gonna hold that for a minute. I

459
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 3: don't see it happening for James. Yeah, I don't see

460
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 3: it happening for James.

461
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 6: That does feel a little bit like the universal lightning,

462
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:09,479
Speaker 6: you know.

463
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: And also did you know that that Jalen and Jason

464
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 1: they were the duo that had the most playoff games

465
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 1: together without a ring.

466
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you know?

467
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 1: Now has that record stocked him alone. So I feel like,

468
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: if you're looking for silver lining here.

469
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 6: I appreciate you, Tyler.

470
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 1: I appreciate it for me right now.

471
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 5: I appreciate that we have people treating I have people

472
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 5: treating in me all all fucking playoffs along about how

473
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 5: sick I was gonna be when the Celtics winning championship.

474
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 5: I am, unfortunately, coincidentally, actually sick right now.

475
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 9: So that was like, that was like, oh, Lucky, put

476
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 9: a hex on you, Lucky to some monkey pull ship

477
00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:04,239
Speaker 9: with your speaking of Lucky winning big, we're gonna talk

478
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 9: about Kyrie Man, Yeah, go ahead. I want to talk

479
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 9: about how wrong I got this serious prediction because I

480
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 9: feel like a lot of it comes back to Kyrie.

481
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that. But you know, I have

482
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: always been the guy who was like, bro, don't overthink it.

483
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: The deeper team with the better defense is going to

484
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 1: win ninety five percent of the time. But I thought

485
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 1: this Dallas team was going to be the five percent, perhaps, right,

486
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: because this postseason, they went through the Clippers and I

487
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: was like, you know, that's a toss up that can

488
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: go either way. Then they went through you know, OKC,

489
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: number one team in the West. I was impressed. Then

490
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: they went through Minnesota. I was impressed because yeah, yeah,

491
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: so it's like the whole you know, like I said,

492
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 1: the the the conventional wisdom that I lean on about,

493
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: oh bro, don't overthink it. Defense and depth will win

494
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: out against scores ninety percent of the time. That kind

495
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: of went out the window because I saw, you know,

496
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: Luca go crazy, Kyrie go crazy and beat better teams

497
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: on their way to the finals. Right, But the disappearing

498
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: act that Kyrie pulled in these finals, I don't know,

499
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like that's kind of I

500
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: won't say legacy altering, but it's kind of like, yeah,

501
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the dribble, dribble scoop layup shit is cute,

502
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: but we we we we've just seen, you know, in

503
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: the postseason that it just doesn't translate that they can

504
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: turn your water off really easily, bro, you know what

505
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean. So I don't know, I don't I don't

506
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: know where exactly I'm at with the Kyrie and the

507
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: whole scope of his career thing, but it's for sure

508
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: something to consider.

509
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I just I think it wasn't even the

510
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: defense too. It didn't seem like like he got the

511
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: shots he wanted. He just wasn't making ship. It was

512
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: like we talked about a dude, you know what I'm saying,

513
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: who's unfappable.

514
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, people have people having fun

515
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 6: on those.

516
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: Appable as motherfucker, you know what I'm saying.

517
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: Where Like it just seemed like the person we thought

518
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: that if anybody could go to Boston and not give

519
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: a fuck what Boston says, it's Kyrie. And that was

520
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: exact opposite where he was just in his head the

521
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: entire time. And I don't know, like you know, like

522
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: you said, I mean, he had agreed, he had He

523
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: looked incredible for a lot of the postseason, but I mean,

524
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: if you really look at breakdown the series, there were

525
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: some games where he just like, you know, six here, eight,

526
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: he you know what I mean, Like it just didn't

527
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: seem like he was the robin they needed him to

528
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: be at times, you know what I'm saying. So I

529
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: think it was more in this series where they needed

530
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: him to walk a tight rope about him and Luca,

531
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: and he just was nowhere close to where he needed

532
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: to be in the moments they needed him, like the

533
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: that series prior even when he had you know, some

534
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 2: rougher moments within games or series. So yeah, I just

535
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, man. Like I you know,

536
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: I love watching Kyrie play basketball. Think it's for basketball.

537
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: I will never forget what he did in the in

538
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen playoffs with Brin, you know what I'm saying.

539
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, you can't. This leaves a stink on

540
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: you know.

541
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Speaker 3: You know.

542
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: I mean to a degree to an agree, I mean

543
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: to an agree as well as the next playoffs against

544
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: the Celtics, you know what I'm saying.

545
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 5: So I think as far as this one, you know,

546
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, I think he did have

547
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 5: a really good playoffs, you know, kind of up into

548
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 5: the finals.

549
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 6: I think it was it just happened to be. It's

550
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 6: a matchup sport.

551
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 5: You get a team that does not have a mismatch

552
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 5: for you to attack a team that is filled with

553
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 5: good perimeter defenders, and you're going to Boston where you

554
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 5: have all this history, and you know, people are you know,

555
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it happened in the game last night, right,

556
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 5: people are saying shit to him and stuff like that.

557
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 6: So it's it's kind of hard to expect from not.

558
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 5: Being his head, I do, so I don't really see it,

559
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, as that big of a

560
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 5: negative on Kyrie. I just think that was the It

561
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 5: just was the wrong series to end up in for him, right,

562
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 5: And if you want to say great players overcome that,

563
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 5: that's fair. But I also think watching him play with Luca,

564
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 5: as fun as that was in the Western Conference playoffs,

565
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 5: it kind of showed you how special Lebron is. To

566
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 5: be honest with you, that you put any superstar player

567
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 5: next to Lebron and he's gonna max him out and

568
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 5: Lucas not yet that you know, we talked about the

569
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 5: comparison of Lebron and Luca at twenty five. Luca does

570
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 5: not have that yet, you know what I mean, And

571
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: so I think that's gonna be key for him. Is

572
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 5: they gave you a top five defense, you know, you've

573
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 5: got to figure out. I mean, obviously there's not a

574
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 5: lot of predictable scoring. I mean, it's a lot of

575
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 5: role players filling it out. But we saw bron win

576
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: with teams like that, right, So that to me is

577
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 5: sort of it's gonna be a key for Luca. Is

578
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 5: you sense that tension of them wanting Kyrie to be

579
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 5: the emotional leader? You know, he talked a lot in

580
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 5: interviews and in press conferences about I'm the one on

581
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 5: the team with championship experience, and Luke of being the

582
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 5: production leader. I don't know that that works when you're

583
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 5: a number one, number two player in the world. I

584
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 5: don't know that you cannot be the emotional leader, the

585
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 5: guy who's talking. I'm gonna get you into your into

586
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 5: the into the situation that makes sense for you.

587
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 6: You know. So I don't know. I'll be curious to see.

588
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 5: I do think they have some questions to answer in

589
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 5: that dynamic going forward.

590
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I do think that he is

591
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 3: kind of.

592
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: We're going to always examine him through the scope of

593
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: the whole best skilled crown that he's been annoyted with, Right, So,

594
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, how much does that matter if we're not

595
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: seeing the production on the biggest state, you know what

596
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like Bro, like like I don't if

597
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: you swapped Kyrie out for Dlo this series like is.

598
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: Like, like what does Dallas lose? Bro? Seriously is probably still

599
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 3: for one.

600
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 7: I do think it's interesting.

601
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: I mean, we ain't gotta go there with it, but.

602
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: I do get I get your point.

603
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: Like then, That's what I was about to say, is

604
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: I feel like it wasn't like Kyrie, Like Kyrie missed

605
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: makeable shots. These are shots that he makes. He's a

606
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: difficult shot maker. They didn't play defense that he hadn't

607
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 2: seen before, you know what I'm saying, Like he was

608
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: making he was missing makeable shots. And it wasn't like

609
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: Kyrie was just not Kyrie. He was bad, you know,

610
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: like he was. It was a bad So that's what

611
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like in it, That's why I.

612
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 3: Say it leaves a little bit of a stink because

613
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: we you feel me. I thought I thought that the.

614
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: Net series was an anoma, and when they played the Bucks,

615
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: he was hurt. I didn't you know, people was talking

616
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: shit on Twitter Kyrie. I'm like, he had one bad series,

617
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And that's he was hurt

618
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: and before he got hurt, he was cooking the motherfucking bucks.

619
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: That go fuck you mean, you know what I'm saying.

620
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: So they win that series of Kyrie's health, you feel me?

621
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, I'm not tripping on that. But see,

622
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: he had a great he had a solid playoffs, and

623
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: I said, there was moments where it was like, we

624
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: don't look like Kyrie's He's passing a lot, you know

625
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, And I think they need him to

626
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: be a little more aggressive whatever, but you know, they

627
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: were winning, so nobody really tripped off of it. But

628
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: this series, I think there's the first series I was like,

629
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: this was he looked bad and in the finals where

630
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: they needed him to be at minimum himself, and he

631
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: didn't look anywhere close to it, you know, and they

632
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 2: probably needed they definitely need hear rocks from then to win,

633
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But didn't wear any anywhere

634
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: close to it, Like in the big moments, like nobody

635
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: was scared of him, you know, like he make a

636
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: shot here, and it felt like it was just a

637
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: shot made. It wasn't Kyrie going on a run, you

638
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it just was like he

639
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: seemed really affected, you know, by the you know, what

640
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: was going on with Boston was understandable, but it.

641
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: Just seemed like he was affected by the lights.

642
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's yeah, it's interesting because ultimately it's

643
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 8: probably just like an unlucky shooting performance.

644
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 7: That's just sort of why it looks so bad.

645
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 8: But to your point about legacy, is Kyrie's legacy is

646
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 8: centered around two things, being the most skilled player ever

647
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 8: quote unquote and being a incredibly incredibly clutch NBA Finals performer.

648
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, straight up, like that is.

649
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: That's the heaviest nuts in the biggest moments, and.

650
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 8: He beat this the seventy three one team, and the

651
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 8: only reason he lost after that is because they added

652
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 8: Kevin Durant. Like he has thought of as the guy

653
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 8: to go to in the playoffs and in the NBA Finals.

654
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 8: And it's probably just like a bad shooting stretch of

655
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 8: five games that ultimately isn't actually a marker on his

656
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 8: basketball ability.

657
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 7: But he failed to come through in the moment.

658
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 8: That we all sort of like you said about him

659
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 8: being unfathomable, we were all like, this is his moment.

660
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 7: This is nobody else's moment, but his moment.

661
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and talking about I've been here before. Like, if

662
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: anybody's gonna show what we thought, it'd be Kyrie. You

663
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

664
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: I thought Luca would do this thing, obviously because he's

665
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: just Luca. It's just impossible. But I thought Kyrie was

666
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, hey, Kyrie will at least be Kyrie. It

667
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: just wasn't there. And so, like I mean, it does

668
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: leave a little state. You can't have performances like that.

669
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: Would I leave this thing? I still think he's fucking incredible,

670
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I still you know, I

671
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: won't take anything from a He's a great place offs

672
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: and as a whole.

673
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: But it means the stink when you have this.

674
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: When you when you on the biggest moment, when your

675
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: team needs you the most, I guess a very good

676
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: buzz of the team, you just seem to not even

677
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: show up. And that's that that's what happened. I mean,

678
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: that's just a fact, you know what I mean? So okay,

679
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: and you know y'all know if not anybody here on

680
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: the mother you know what I'm saying, that's.

681
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 6: Like, when have I ever defended Kyrie to you?

682
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 5: But that's that's what happens when the Celtics win a championship.

683
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: What great are we giving Luca for these finals?

684
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 5: I think it's I would I would first of all

685
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: prevaricate a little bit. It's just difficult to evaluate guys

686
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 5: when you know, you know what I mean, like.

687
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 6: And and and it was clear.

688
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 5: I think the criticism that he was playing up injuries

689
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 5: at times is that's probably fair, But it was clear

690
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: that he was injured as hell. I was really bothered

691
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: by Wendy and everyone like going on that the defensive

692
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 5: rant when like, if you ever had anything fucked up

693
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: with your ribs and your sternum, bro, like, standing upright

694
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 5: and breathing is such an accomplishment in that situation, Like

695
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 5: I would rather play hungover with dookie butt like Michael

696
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 5: Jordan did in the Flu game or whatever, then try

697
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 5: and do anything when something is fucked up with my

698
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 5: ribs or my chest, you know what I mean. So

699
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 5: I would just start out by saying that I think

700
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 5: you have to look at this in the realm of

701
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 5: we did not see a healthy Luca and is it

702
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 5: possible that if he comes back in better shape next year,

703
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: there's a higher probability that he's healthy in the playoffs, Yes,

704
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: but I would just start the conversation off with that.

705
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you absolutely have to consider that.

706
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: But I mean there was sometimes on defense where it

707
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: was just inexcusable regardless, Like if he was a one

708
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: legged man out there playing the defense, he was playing

709
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: like it would have been inexcusable.

710
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: Bro, like, you know, just.

711
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: Just someone who just I don't know, Bro was a

712
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: traffic home you know during a lot of of these finals,

713
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: you know.

714
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 6: I was.

715
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: And I think he had had a really good postseason,

716
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think out a decent finals. Like I'd

717
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: give him like a B minus on the finals.

718
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Right minus. That's crazy you give higher. I give him

719
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: like a solid B. I give him a solid B.

720
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like this.

721
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 6: Man, Tyler's a harder, greater than you.

722
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. But when

723
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: you have your round, I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking

724
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: at I get eighty three, you know what I mean, Like,

725
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: I just I feel I just feel like when you

726
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: have a player like Kyrie who just isn't showing up right,

727
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: he Luca already has like maybe more responsibility on the

728
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: office at the end than any player in the league.

729
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

730
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: And then Kyrie is not showing up at all. You're

731
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: involved in every single fucking play.

732
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 6: You're hurt.

733
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: And then you have to go on the other end

734
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: and really lock up, like of course you're a fucking

735
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: traffic cone. You like, you know where they really need

736
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: you is in the offensive end because nobody's showing up.

737
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: You're the only guaranteed bucket right now, you know what

738
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean. And then like and then you have to

739
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: lock niggas somebody else is just step up. Fuck you mean,

740
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: where the hell at Nigga? I mean, he's a human,

741
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: He's a human.

742
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 6: He's he was hurt. He was hurt last series.

743
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: In the in the in the Western Conference finals, and

744
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: he's hurt this series.

745
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: Like bro, like he's beat the fuck up CG humans.

746
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: So I feel like, considering all of that, it's a beat,

747
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, but you can't give

748
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: him any higher. They won one fucking game regardless of

749
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: you know, the big moments he had in the series. Yeah,

750
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: So like I feel like a solid be based upon

751
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: like everything was going on, and he was just basic

752
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: sometimes just out there by himself against the Boston selfs,

753
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: against a team that like we said, the worst player

754
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: that started five, give you thirty like nigga.

755
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean, Tyler rounded down? Why

756
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 6: you be minus?

757
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, like I said, I'm a

758
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: shooting some bail for for not being one hundred percent

759
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: for sure. But but this defense, you know, knock when

760
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: it was not something new. It's not something that we

761
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: just brought up this postseason and something that we've talked

762
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: about Korea, something that.

763
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: Jason K has addressed publicly. It's something that Jason Kid said.

764
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: We had to sit down with Luca and Dirk and

765
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: told this man, defense is the next step you need

766
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: to take to be an all time.

767
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: Turn it around.

768
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: Though he didn't turn it around, and he was looking

769
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: much better him and Kyrie the much prior.

770
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

771
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: This series in particular, he looked bad, but there was

772
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: reasons behind that.

773
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: You know, you're taking taking the context around in this situation.

774
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: But here's a here's the thing, Like I've said, I've

775
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: said this before, you know, during the playoffs, when I

776
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: saw how great of a defensive player Kyrie was being

777
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: this postseason, Like you can be a great defender without

778
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: being a great on ball defender, and we saw how

779
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: how Kid had schemed you know, Luca into being a

780
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: a good you know, off ball defender in Game four,

781
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: and we saw the effort that Luka gave. Like I said,

782
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: I feel like so much of it is effort, Bro,

783
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: just getting the way, you know what I mean that

784
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: that's all you gotta do, Bro, just legally getting away

785
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: and don't But you know what I mean.

786
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: Saying, when when when your effort is required in a

787
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: particular way on the other end of the court, He's

788
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: a fucking human, bro, you know what I'm saying, And

789
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: that's that's that's what I say. But I mean, be

790
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: b minus fucking as a fuck. But I just I

791
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: just feel like when I look at when I look

792
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: at him looking like a traffic cone, I understand that

793
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: being that what is required to him in this game

794
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: because nobody else is out there reliable on the offensive end.

795
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: So I think you have to acknowledge he did take

796
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 5: a step forward defensively this year. You have to acknowledge

797
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: what Tyler was saying about the effort in the finals.

798
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 5: But also for sure, but also I do understand on

799
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 5: the human level, and it's his first trip to the finals,

800
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 5: and he is a young player defrustration around. I'm keeping

801
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 5: up with my fucking end of the bargain. We weren't

802
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 5: a top five defense in the league because I was

803
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 5: locking up. So what the fuck now, all of a

804
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: sudden we don't have any defense. It is my fault.

805
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 5: But I don't have any help over here. And I

806
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 5: don't have any help over here.

807
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Get to a point where you gott to pick a

808
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: choose where can I really you know, where am I needed?

809
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: Especially and especially when you're hurt and you know what

810
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying and you see what's going on the other end.

811
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: It's like, yo, Kyrie's not here tonight. I mean, and

812
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: you and you want me to do that, and you

813
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: want me to really sit down on another end.

814
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 6: But I think, but I think this is this is

815
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 6: the thing.

816
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: A team games.

817
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 5: It's it is a team game. And also we don't

818
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: know the future. That could be this could be the

819
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: step to him taking that next step, or it could

820
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 5: be that's who Luca is. He doesn't give a fuck

821
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 5: on defense, and we are not going to know they

822
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 5: answer to that question for six or seven years. I mean,

823
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 5: like that's just the truth of it. I don't feel

824
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 5: the need to, like, I acknowledge the plot point, and

825
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: I don't feel the need to try and guess what

826
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 5: direction he's gonna go because I can see him going

827
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 5: in both directions.

828
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: You made a point earlier, whereas like this is look

829
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: at who he has on his team, and Broun won

830
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: with people like this, and I think, like, that's, like, bro,

831
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: we can't expect this nigga to be Broun.

832
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 5: He's not bron did fan saying he's better at twenty

833
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: five than Braun?

834
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 6: He did? And I don't want to hold someone.

835
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't judge him based upon fucking idiots.

836
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 6: For sure, you know what I mean.

837
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: But whereas what the dumbest people behind him say, you

838
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, I'm I'm judging him baseball

839
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: what I see? You feel me in an information I have,

840
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: And I was like, yo, like I feel like, Yo,

841
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: we've seen Brian, you know what I'm saying, locked up

842
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: on defense, you know, doing what he needed to do

843
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: on the defensive end, and still drop a thirty ball

844
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: with some bombs when he was only you know what

845
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: I mean, We saw him even in the they lost

846
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: the first one of other the Warriors one, he averaged

847
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: thirty eight. You know what I'm saying, It still was,

848
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: you know, not a traffic corner of the end. You

849
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: feel me so, But he's Brian, you know what I mean.

850
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 5: He was already in the chamber and obsessed with it's

851
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: sleeping fourteen hours a night at this stage of his career.

852
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel me Like we see him in the

853
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: off season.

854
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: He don't even buy snacks from the fucking minute, Like

855
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: from he brings his own, you know, bag of nuts.

856
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: And you know what I'm saying, alkaline water, nigga, Like

857
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: you know what.

858
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, yeah, So I just I think for

859
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: me when I see sit like this, I don't think

860
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: like Luca, damn nigga, you you nut it up. I'm

861
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: thinking like damn Brian. I think like wow, like you know,

862
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: it's it's really really hard what we've seen. Yes, yes,

863
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: when we've seen what we've seen, bron do so well.

864
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 6: Jackson. Congratulations.

865
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 5: You mentioned did you say this was only the second

866
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 5: Celtics title of your lifetime?

867
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 7: I didn't you did?

868
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 6: No, didn't you say two thousand and eight was the

869
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 6: only other one? Didn't you say that?

870
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: Earlier in the podcast?

871
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 7: I said it wasn't as Yeah, I said it wasn't.

872
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 7: It didn't hit quite as hard as.

873
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 6: As the other one. Thanks the other one, remember, yeah,

874
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 6: the other one. Yeah, those were your words for sure.

875
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 5: Now I'm a little older than you, so it's the

876
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 5: third Celtics title of my lifetime, and you know, like

877
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 5: I said on Twitter dot Com, I feel like that's

878
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: probably got to be a great feeling for people I

879
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 5: don't remember as a Lakers fan because I was four

880
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 5: years old when they won the third title of my lifetime.

881
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: But the sixth titles since then have been absolutely outstanding.

882
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 5: So I know a little bit of what you're feeling,

883
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: and I'm very happy for you.

884
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 7: Thanks Mike.

885
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 8: I appreciate that that was, you know, that was That's

886
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 8: about as artists as you could get right now, which

887
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 8: I understand you're down pretty bad.

888
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 6: I'm down down.

889
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 7: Your favorite franchise fumbled a college coach.

890
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 8: They are banking on a forty year old man to

891
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 8: lead him to a title.

892
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: That forty year old man is the Bunks. They make

893
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: a four year old man.

894
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 6: To win, to win them the title.

895
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 7: It's gonna be latest.

896
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 8: I saw someone say on Twitter, as they should they

897
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 8: should call Steve Nash, So god speed.

898
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: To you guys.

899
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 5: What's What's what's funny is you said they were lying

900
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: on a They're relying on a forty year old man.

901
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about them trying to hire

902
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 5: a podcaster and double him the next pat Riley.

903
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 6: I will say this one thing about sports that I like.

904
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: I don't like that every coach in every league it

905
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 5: feels like has eighteen months to like figure it out

906
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: or they get fired. I love the movement though, that

907
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 5: that is creating towards younger coaches. I've enjoyed that about

908
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: the NFL, and I'm enjoying it about the NBA.

909
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 6: Missoula. How old is Missoula?

910
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 3: Thirty five? Yeah? Yah, damn.

911
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 5: I knew he was young, but I think he was

912
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: the youngest since Bill Russell to be to coach a

913
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 5: team to a championship, which is pretty crazy.

914
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 6: They should.

915
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 8: He was playing in the same March Madness tournament as

916
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 8: Kyrie Irving. Right, Carrie didn't play, I guess, but they

917
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 8: were the same class or something.

918
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: No Mark Kyrie played. He played one game. Yeah, if.

919
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: You remember that moment when Deshaun Butler blew his knee

920
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: out and and and Huggins got down on the floor

921
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: and comforted.

922
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: In in that game.

923
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Missoula was the point guard on that West Virginia squad,

924
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: and Missoula being a Huggins disciple makes so much sense

925
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: now when you connect those dots.

926
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 3: Dude.

927
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 8: I saw a clip of Missoula being interviewed after one

928
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 8: of their games, and did you guys see this where

929
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 8: he was being He was being asked because the West

930
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 8: Virginia player switched to a one three one that game

931
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 8: or something, and it was it was really affected and

932
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 8: they asked him like what what was that conversation like

933
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 8: and what's it like being coached by Bob Bob Huggins

934
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 8: And he was like, yeah, I was just riding the

935
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 8: bench so much my first season that I was studying

936
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 8: the one three one and I pitched it to coach

937
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 8: and he was like, you know what, I think that

938
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 8: might work and then we implemented it and it worked

939
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 8: really well. So like shout out to coach, to coach

940
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 8: Hugs and everyone was like, this guy was a coach.

941
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 7: Basically when he was a nineteen year old, Like what

942
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 7: is this?

943
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 6: I mean? Salute?

944
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 5: I told y'all the craziest Missoula store I ever heard.

945
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 5: We didn't talk about it on the pod, though, but

946
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 5: where he said, you know, he was still driving an

947
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 5: old car and he and his wife were still living

948
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: in an apartment, like I think right up until he

949
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 5: got the Celtics head job, at which point he bought

950
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 5: a house. Nice house. You get to say to your wife, like,

951
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 5: thanks for sticking with me through the fucking grind. I

952
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 5: was like, you know, cutting film twenty hours a day

953
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 5: or whatever, and he said they were sitting up in

954
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 5: their bed and this like mansion he just bought, and

955
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 5: he like couldn't like unclinch and he was like, you know,

956
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: we just we can't let this house make us weak,

957
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 5: you know, like we have to you know, we have

958
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: to overcome the house like we have we have to

959
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 5: still keep our head. And he said it overcome, so

960
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 5: we have to overcome it. And he said his wife

961
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 5: just looked at him and burst into two years. It's

962
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 5: like this is what we were trying to get to,

963
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 5: you know. But I appreciated that when he was telling

964
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 5: the story, he had like he acknowledged, you know.

965
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 6: It was like taking He was like being like, this

966
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 6: is not healthy.

967
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 5: It's not great for the people in your family and

968
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 5: the people around you, like, and he's like, yeah, I'm

969
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 5: talking to my wife and I was like, I probably

970
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 5: need to get some therapy out.

971
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 2: That's what it takes to be who he is at

972
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: his age, right, you know what I mean, Like you're

973
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: gonna fight or something.

974
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: You have to fight for normalcy, you know what I mean.

975
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: When you're that successful on this level, you know, at

976
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: thirty five, that's crazy.

977
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. I mean that's a big deal to

978
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 6: lead the Celtics to their come on man, right is it?

979
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 7: Eighteen league leading, eighteen NBA champion?

980
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, most eighteenth eighteenth and all them in the same city.

981
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 5: Nonetheless, you know the city thing is such an adoorab

982
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 5: Like that's such a funny.

983
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 6: I don't know like where who came up with that,

984
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 6: but and it's funny, you know, for someone.

985
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 8: Who really claims to support the Sonics and when they

986
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 8: got their franchise, Robbie really counting titles from multiple cities.

987
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 8: It's interesting, it's interesting franchise he three multiple cities.

988
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 5: I don't think you can really compare Minneapolis the Minneapolis

989
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 5: Lakers moving before thirty years before we're all born to

990
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 5: the fucking Seattle Super Sonics being robbed.

991
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: But I don't think you can.

992
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 5: Are there any fans in Minneapolis who feel that way?

993
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 5: If there were, I would like I would I would

994
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 5: acknowledge that. I would acknowledge that.

995
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 7: Two things in the two things in the chat before

996
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 7: we sort of.

997
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: The Celtics did win several of their NBA championships in

998
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 5: an NBA with twelve teams, where they literally started in

999
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 5: the Eastern Conference finals.

1000
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 6: That's not discrediting in any way.

1001
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 7: I mean, the Lakers also won a lot of championships

1002
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 7: back then.

1003
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 5: So let's just count since let's cow sense, let's let's

1004
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 5: let's let's count since they drafted Larry Bird. I think

1005
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 5: the Celtics have five championships in the last it was

1006
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 5: or something.

1007
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 7: I do have two things from the chat before we

1008
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 7: before we wrap up.

1009
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 8: One that everyone there was a handful of people that

1010
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 8: was loving Mike's uh sarcastic Celtics.

1011
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 7: Hey we got a Mike here, Bossio.

1012
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 3: In the in the chat.

1013
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 8: And then there was there's a couple of people who

1014
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 8: were who were happy I was I got someone said

1015
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 8: get him Jackie.

1016
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 7: A couple of people were happy that I was fighting

1017
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 7: back and Mitch said. Jackson said forty year old like

1018
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 7: a slur.

1019
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 6: I did feel a little disrespectful to three forty year olds.

1020
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: He said, can you believe best of us?

1021
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 6: You know, Lebron James one of the good ones when

1022
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 6: it comes to.

1023
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: Right, right, right right, there's a lot of steak on

1024
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: that for to be Lebron James, I'll say that, but yeah.

1025
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, like I told you, I'm very much looking

1026
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: forward to the media to that was what was going on.

1027
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: He's a dude who every time he says some weird

1028
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: quirky ship, I'm like, I might like this dude, bro, Like,

1029
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reach out. The tweet from Keith Smith NBA,

1030
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: who got this quote from Joe Mizula, he said, Joe

1031
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: Mizula was pointing at the TD Gardner Raptors.

1032
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: He said, there's a gap right there. You see that.

1033
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: I will look at that gap every national anthem.

1034
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Now that's for twenty twenty four, and you know what,

1035
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: once again, slightly to the left, there's another gap right

1036
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: there too, So shoulder truck.

1037
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: He said he can't let the championship make him lose

1038
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 5: his edge. Broight, No, one hundred percent, it's you have

1039
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 5: to be. I do think you have to be a

1040
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 5: total fucking psychopath to have that level of success.

1041
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 6: That's crazy. What time was that, tweeted Tyler.

1042
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 5: He probably said that shit forty seconds after they won

1043
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 5: the championship.

1044
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a e.

1045
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: Cedric Maxwell said that man was crying. That was at

1046
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: twelve forty eight. Cedric Maxwell said that dude literally was

1047
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: crying tears to his eyes when they spoke before the

1048
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: game about how he wanted to win this shit.

1049
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 6: Well, they're probably gonna do it again next year, so fucking.

1050
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: I think them beating a team that ran through the

1051
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: West and the way that the map did, like I thought, like, okay,

1052
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: they had some they had some layups, you know what

1053
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: I mean. Now we're gonna see what they really made

1054
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: up and they smoke them boys.

1055
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: You feel me?

1056
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: The West needs to get his shipped together. The Western

1057
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 5: we get his fucking ship together.

1058
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: Bro.

1059
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 6: We got too many good B plus teams. Bro.

1060
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 5: Someone needs to be a fucking team that the Celtics

1061
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 5: are afraid of. And there was not one of those

1062
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 5: teams other than Ugets. Like I had the Man's and six.

1063
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 5: After that first game, I said, ain't no way in

1064
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 5: hell it is levels to this ship.

1065
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: It is level because, like I said, what we saw

1066
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: from the way that Boston was executing and and and

1067
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, Dallas was just leaning back on hair ball.

1068
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, no, it's it's two different leagues

1069
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: right here.

1070
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: When we talked at the end of the Western Conference Finals,

1071
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, the massive win. And then I

1072
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: sat with it for like two days and looked at

1073
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: the roster and I was taying to Jackson, I'm like, god, damn,

1074
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: you know what i mean, that's so when we had

1075
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 2: a we had a man like, that's no way, it's

1076
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: a fucking you know what I mean.

1077
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: Like I you know, we saw all the rogues.

1078
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 6: Ain't know, ain't enough for rogues.

1079
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: But these niggas, you know what I'm saying.

1080
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I mean and then just Game one

1081
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: just basically stamp page shit. Like yeah, bro, like you said,

1082
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: there's levels. You know, one team has good players, another

1083
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: team has a good team, like a great you know

1084
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: that they're a great team, like you know.

1085
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: As far as the building anyway, Yeah.

1086
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 5: Man, all right, that's all the fucking time we have

1087
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 5: for Celtics.

1088
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 6: Gleazing. Uh basketball season has gone.

1089
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 5: Actually, no, the free agency window is open now, so

1090
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 5: from now on we're only talking about free agency, which

1091
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 5: unfortunately will not involved the Boston Celtics since they return

1092
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 5: their entire fucking roster.

1093
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: Also, whatever the JJ Reddick alluded to doing to Shams,

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Speaker 1: you're on the clock now, JJ, what the fuck you.

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Speaker 3: Gotta get people what we want?

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Speaker 2: What the is about is about to be slow to

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Speaker 2: address addresses yours, my friend.

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Speaker 6: That's right at is Lakers introductory press conference. And one

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Speaker 6: last thing, let me tell you.

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Speaker 3: I speak.

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Speaker 6: All right, y'all.

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Speaker 5: I'm actually not one hundred percent sure what the schedule

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Speaker 5: will be, but we will be back soon and we

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Speaker 5: will for sure be going live after the next House

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Speaker 5: of the Dragon episode on Sunday. We are going to

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Speaker 5: try and keep the lives going. We greatly appreciate everyone

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Speaker 5: in the chat at YouTube dot com, slash At, Jenkins

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Speaker 5: and Jones for hanging out with us.

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Speaker 6: And we'll see y'all soon. Bye bye bye Ye

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Speaker 4: The Volume