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Speaker 1: Everybody, Welcome to Between the Horns is Thursday, February seventh.

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Speaker 1: I'm Miles Simmons. Across the table from me is DeMarco

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Speaker 1: far and we are here to wrap up the Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles Rams twenty eighteen season as they fell thirteen to

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Speaker 1: three to the Patriots in Super Bowl fifty three. DeMarco

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Speaker 1: biggest takeaway what main Oh, No, hell of a year, bro,

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Speaker 1: Just the emotions of everything, the emergence of jet of

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Todd Gurley as a featured weapon, Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: with twenty and a half sacks. Come on, dude, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'll probably never see anything like that again, maybe if

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Speaker 1: he comes back better. But hell of a year, you know,

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Speaker 1: great to wrap up the division, wrap up the NFC Conference,

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Speaker 1: the NFC Conference Championship, and then get into the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it didn't go the way you wanted it to go,

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Speaker 1: but fantastic year. Great year after agree with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the best year that I mean, I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: is in this role in this job, and I think

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Speaker 1: there's so much that was so positive about the year.

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Speaker 1: And we'll really wrap up the year probably towards the

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Speaker 1: end of the show you know, just to get to

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Speaker 1: that game, to get to the super Bowl in general,

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Speaker 1: is a huge accomplishment. And obviously when you lose thirteen

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Speaker 1: to three and it's the lowest scoring super Bowl in

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Speaker 1: super Bowl history, like, that's not that's not an ideal outcome. No.

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Speaker 1: I remember sitting there when I when I was teammates

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Speaker 1: with Isaac Bruce, we used to talk about we used

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Speaker 1: to dream about going to the super Bowl, and we

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Speaker 1: said the same thing. We want to have the lowest

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Speaker 1: rated super Bowl of all time. Like we didn't care,

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Speaker 1: We didn't care if anybody liked it or wanted to

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Speaker 1: see it. We just wanted to win it. So it

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Speaker 1: is what it is. I mean, look, I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Patriots care about the ratings or about the score. Nope.

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Speaker 1: All they care about is, you know, championship parades and rings,

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Speaker 1: and that's what it's about. That's what it should be about, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So let's just don't scare that Maroon five stunk. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding who. I didn't even see the show.

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Speaker 1: I haven't even looked at the replays of Maroon five.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I haven't looked at it either, but my mom said

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Speaker 1: that it was good inside the stadium was naked. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there there are different rules apparently for male and female

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Speaker 1: nipples on okay, based on Janet Jackson beach rules, public

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Speaker 1: beach rules. Right, yes, yes, a guy right, so right,

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Speaker 1: But let's let's just start here because this is what

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Speaker 1: everybody's talking about. And I know you and I were

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Speaker 1: just going back and forth about the whole sports radio

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. But yes, radio is like Jackass with verbally,

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Speaker 1: remember the movie Jackass. I mean, you know, yeah, let

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Speaker 1: me let me try to top the guy that just

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Speaker 1: lit his fart on fire. So let me say something

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Speaker 1: completely totally stupid and outlandish just to get you to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to me. Come on, yes, So that's that's

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Speaker 1: then some of the stuff that's in our mentions about

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Speaker 1: Todd Gurley, these things that are just kind of outlandish

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Speaker 1: and they're dumb, and to me, they're just wrong. And

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Speaker 1: it's if you watch the game you would understand what

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Speaker 1: happen there. You know, everybody's talking about, how, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: how could Sean mcvain not use Todd Gurley? How could

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Speaker 1: you do this? How could you do that? The Rams

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Speaker 1: had two first downs in the entire first half. There

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Speaker 1: was a running back when you can't even pick up

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Speaker 1: a first they had. They were all of six on

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Speaker 1: third down in the entire first half. I saw some

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Speaker 1: of these morons have never played organized sports in their life,

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Speaker 1: little oone football. Well, no, it's not even people that

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Speaker 1: have not played football. I'm watching Inside the NFL last night,

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Speaker 1: right and Ray Lewis is talking about this same thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, He's saying, Oh my goodness, how could they

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Speaker 1: possibly go away from Todd Gurley. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: He is what got you there. He needs to have

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Speaker 1: X amount touch. And Phil Simms is the only guy

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Speaker 1: on the show who's like, did you watch, Like, look

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Speaker 1: at look at what this is? You had two first downs?

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Speaker 1: You cannot establish the run with a running back or

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Speaker 1: whatnot if you have two first downs and a half. See.

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Speaker 1: I hate it. Um, Look, the Rams lost, so you

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Speaker 1: have to deal with that. But I hate the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're taking away the glory from the Patriots defense

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Speaker 1: and how well they played. It's not about what McVeagh

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Speaker 1: did or did not do. They were kicking ass, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were playing. They had a great game. They had

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Speaker 1: a great game plan. They executed the game plan, they

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Speaker 1: took it to the Rams. Give them credit before you

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Speaker 1: start taking away from this side. I hate that, I

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Speaker 1: really do. Oh it's bad offense. No, how about great

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Speaker 1: should know, right, come on, yeah, Phil Simms has the

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Speaker 1: bailis out? Come on? Dude, No really know. But that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, I don't I don't quite understand

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Speaker 1: why it is that everybody is saying, you know, the

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Speaker 1: whole thing was sort of a disaster for the Rams. Offensively.

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Speaker 1: This is not a girly issue. This is a Rams

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Speaker 1: offense issue. When that's what I'm saying. When you go

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Speaker 1: oh of six on third down and a half, you're

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Speaker 1: one of ten on third down through three quarters, you

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Speaker 1: basically got three first tests. You didn't have a drive

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Speaker 1: longer than five plays until the end of the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: Why can't that's your problem? Just give credit to Belichick

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Speaker 1: I'm talking everyone else that's that's trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what went wrong with the Rams. Look at Belichick and

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Speaker 1: his scheme and what they did. Great defensive effort, if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't for Julian Edelman tying up the defense, I

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Speaker 1: think probably High Tower wins MVP. He was all over

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Speaker 1: the place. I mean, van Oy was all over the place. There.

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Speaker 1: Their core seven guys, the guys that stay on the

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Speaker 1: field for most of the game, had a great game.

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Speaker 1: I think they had four sacks, ten quarterback hits. This

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Speaker 1: is between the same seven guys twelve quarterback hits tomorrow, No,

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Speaker 1: just the same seven, Just these same seven guys. They

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Speaker 1: had ten of the twelve hits, right, I mean, these

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Speaker 1: core seven dudes, the mcquardy brothers, Gilmore, they all played

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Speaker 1: their butts off. That's the reason the Rams looked like

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Speaker 1: they did not because of what Nick they did right

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Speaker 1: or didn't do, or what he didn't do. Come on,

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Speaker 1: I hate that. Give credit to the Chams, right, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean they came out with a great game. They

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Speaker 1: the outside zone stuff. And then you also were playing

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Speaker 1: Cortis coverage that kind of takes away some of the

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Speaker 1: play action stuff that that that you would do on

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Speaker 1: their coverage or rush the passer. I mean that's Belichick stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: watch here then dropped to there. You know that that

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Speaker 1: and say go play. He's giving you directives on how

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Speaker 1: on Jared Goff. And to me, watching you could tell

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Speaker 1: the huddle. It was all about getting to Jared Goff,

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Speaker 1: it was, and for the most part they did. They did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's that to me is what the

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Speaker 1: bigger issue is. Right. You know, when you have the

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Speaker 1: sometimes you know you're running on first and second Dallas,

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Speaker 1: the ball to where it needs to be. Right, then

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Speaker 1: that's what your issue is. Or like, I'm used to

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Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, now that's flooded. Okay, now

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Speaker 1: what do I do? Right? Let me go to my

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Speaker 1: second argue. Well, that's on the ground because that backer

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Speaker 1: Well for the most part, he did. And moving into

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Speaker 1: Todd Gurley and let me let me explain something. When

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Speaker 1: can play. That doesn't mean he's completely healthy. That just

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Speaker 1: means I can go. And most players at this point

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Speaker 1: will go no matter what. But look, I mean, when

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Speaker 1: you're only attacking half the field, or you're attacking in

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Speaker 1: it's very obvious that you can only cut one way. Well,

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Speaker 1: any defense is going to take what you do away.

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Speaker 1: They're going to force you to go to hard road,

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Speaker 1: you could tell Todd wasn't Todd. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: if he's not on the injury report, I cannot assume injury,

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Speaker 1: you know. And and not only that, but Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: there's no plans for any kind of clean up surgery

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Speaker 1: with Todd Gurley in his knee so good, there's nothing.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing that I can personally say to report that, Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: Todd is not healthy. Well I can, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can go back and look at the first four

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Speaker 1: just means I'm going I'm going to play. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be out there for my team. But watch the tape.

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Speaker 1: You can tell there's something going on there, but we

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is, right DeMarco, And to that

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Speaker 1: and so to that point, I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 1: he was totally ineffective. No, he had a sixteen yard run.

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Speaker 1: He had a ten yard run that got called back

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Speaker 1: by a John Sullivan hold. So like anytime if he

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Speaker 1: know what, oh my god, wow, oh goodness sor right,

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Speaker 1: I'm coughing at everything today. Atlanta was fun. Atlanta was fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm paying for it this week. Absolutely. I think from

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Speaker 1: that perspective, it's not like Todd was doing nothing. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: But anytime that you started to get a little bit going,

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Speaker 1: there's a false start, there's a hole, there's a negative run.

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Speaker 1: You just never were able to get into a rhythm.

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Speaker 1: And that's why you're in third and whatever, third and

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Speaker 1: convert those third down You tell me, I know, look,

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Speaker 1: I think Sean McVay is a genius play caller, But

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Speaker 1: you tell me what you have for second and twenty two? Right,

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Speaker 1: what play do you call for second and twenty two?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. The one thing that the

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Speaker 1: one thing that I know that worked last year was

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Speaker 1: third and thirty three. You got a fifty two yard

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Speaker 1: touchdow Robs defense known to manage New York. So that's

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Speaker 1: not what you're gonna get in the Super Bowl, New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots. No, they're going to keep the pressure on you.

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Speaker 1: I had two guys. I just got one. Yeah, yes,

424
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 1: I have seen oh okay. By the way, you always

425
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: forget like because your default, which honestly is very fair,

426
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,360
Speaker 1: is that I have not seen the movie, right, but

427
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 1: I have seen all the Star Wars. Every time I

428
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,479
Speaker 1: come up with one year like I've never seen, it

429
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: just kind of falls flat. So I'm used to that.

430
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 1: I three years of the same stuff. Yes, so anyway, yes, yes.

431
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: But the defensive performance, though, I think there's a lot

432
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: to be said for the way the Rams defense was

433
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 1: able to get back into i don't know, really a

434
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: dominating fashion. Yeah, against a Patriots team. And that's the

435
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: interesting thing. You know, both they and Golf said this,

436
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: if you would have said that, you know, you hold

437
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: the Patriots the thirteen points. Golf said like, okay, like

438
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: and we're gonna he said, if you hold the Patriots

439
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 1: the thirteen points and we still lose, it's kind of

440
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: like how right, well they almost shut yeah, right, they

441
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: hold you to three. Right, that's the only time where

442
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: that adage doesn't work. If we holding the thirteen, we

443
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 1: should win. Well, if they hold you to three, they

444
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 1: win by ten. But no, I thought the defense did

445
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: a great job. I mean it felt like a bunch

446
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 1: of guys like filling sandbags trying to stop a flood.

447
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: Like really, I mean, they had to save the city

448
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: and they were trying their best. I mean they got

449
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: to everything, they damned up the water, but eventually one

450
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: got through. You know, Gronkowski got deep on you caught

451
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: it and then you know they rant it in, Michelle

452
00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 1: rent it in for the touch and then the only

453
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: we touched down in the game. But I thought they

454
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: played great football against a really good quarterback and a

455
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: good offense. Right. I mean it started from that first

456
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: drive where I mean, even though they got a really

457
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 1: good return on the kickoff started almost it started almost

458
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: the forty and then we're going down the field, but

459
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: then first pass, Robie tips it up and right there's

460
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: Gorey Littleton to make the interception, and they really I

461
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: thought they started well, yeah, they did the only thing

462
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: they could not do, and this is why the guy

463
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: won MVP. You couldn't bottle up element. Yeah yeah, and

464
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: they couldn't cover him with anybody. They couldn't bracket the guy.

465
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: He was just that much better than everyone else on defense.

466
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: He was absolutely and I don't mind saying this, he

467
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: was absolutely uncoverable that day. Oh he was. He had

468
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: ten receptions on twelve targets for one hundred and forty

469
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: one yards, So that makes you pretty much uncoverable, uncoverable

470
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: and it was a host of people. He was making

471
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: everybody dance to his tune. Yes, yeah, you know, you're right.

472
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean from you know Nickell, Roby Colvin in the slotside, everybody,

473
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: when they bracket coverage with with a linebacker and a

474
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: safety over the top, he still found the dead spot.

475
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: So I mean he's he was tremendous deserved that MVP.

476
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: Yeah you think so. You think it should have been

477
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: the MV He should have been the MVP over a

478
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: defensive player. Um, that was That's been sort of the argument. Well,

479
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: I mean that was the reason they stayed on the

480
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: field so long you couldn't get them. I Mean the

481
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: Rams defense played great except for that, and I mean

482
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: time of possession was in their favor and he was

483
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: every bit that. So yeah, I mean usually it's an

484
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: offensive award if not for him, maybe one or two

485
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: catches less than what he had. It's high tower easily,

486
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: the guy was everywhere. But I mean Edelman was deserving too,

487
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. I mean, you know,

488
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: just based on the way that he played. The best

489
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: postseason receiver of all time, apparently it's him and Jerry Rice.

490
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to argue. He had another great

491
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: game in the postseason, another great game in the Super Bowl, right, um.

492
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: I think it was interesting though, just seeing how they

493
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: wanted to attack the Rams, the Rams defense just from

494
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: early on in that game, and seemed like they were

495
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: really trying to take advantage of the Rams aggressiveness upfront.

496
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking early on when they're trapping Sue, right,

497
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: so he's trying to get up the field and then

498
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: he kind of does, but then they trap him and

499
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: then they just run it right by him anyway, and

500
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: it seemed like that worked well for them. In the

501
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: run game. Absolutely. I mean, look, using your aggressiveness or

502
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: your enthusiasm or your drunaline against you, you have to

503
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: know that's coming. Especially if you're Sue and Donald. It

504
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: happens to you at least four times a game. It's

505
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: happened to you since high school. You've been this dominant forever,

506
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: so you know what the offensive checks are going to be.

507
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: They're not going to just let you run up the field.

508
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: So there is always this old adage if you're free

509
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: in this league, especially as an interior guy, you're free

510
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: for a reason. They're just not going to forget about

511
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: you in the middle. Yeah, So of all of a sudden,

512
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: you're running Scott free in the backfield and there's Brady

513
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: and there's nobody blocking. You know, there's somebody coming, right, Yeah,

514
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, no words coming. It's

515
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: a wham. It's a trap and you have to play

516
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: it better. No excuse exactly. Well, in the world's m

517
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: adn't relackbar right, it's a trap. Nice good comeback now.

518
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: But Cory Littleton, I think I mean when you look

519
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: at him and the way he performed all year was

520
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: on the he was all over the field on Sunday.

521
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: Ten tackles, they have, the interception, also the one pass defense.

522
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: I think he is going to be a player that

523
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: you can really build around from that middle linebacker standpoint,

524
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: and he just continued to show it on Sunday. A

525
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: guy I told you early in trading camp. He reminds

526
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: me of a guy that went to UCLA, Donnie Edwards.

527
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's a guy that never comes off the field.

528
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: He's all everything. He's a tackle, he's a tackle for

529
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: lost pick machine. He's that guy Roman Fifer who did

530
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: play for the Rams, same type of guy. He can

531
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: cover anybody. You're tough against the run, and you're also

532
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: a threat to pick the ball off. Corey Littleton takes

533
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: it one step beyond. He's also a special team's nut,

534
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean he is a complete linebacker

535
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: that you know, with another year in the weight room

536
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: and another year watching film, he's only going to get better.

537
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: And he was great this year. Yes, yeah, no, for sure.

538
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: Also another guy that I think got a shout out

539
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: as Marcus Peters. Yeah, because I thought he played great

540
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: in this game. And you know, like he's taken a

541
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: lot of heat, taking a lot of criticism deservedly so,

542
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: but I thought in the biggest game this year, he

543
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: really stepped up and he played well. He cut Hogan

544
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: a frock good man. You know what that means. Hogan

545
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: was wearing him like a suit. He was every vertical

546
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: he was on him. I mean that's the stuff you

547
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: can teach on when you see how he played those

548
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: deep balls. I mean he was right in the mix

549
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: every single play, so there was nothing there. He played great.

550
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's pretty much, to a man, everyone on

551
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: defense played good football. They played well enough to win.

552
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, you held him to thirteen points, right, yeah,

553
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's you can consider that a win, except

554
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: you have to outplay the other defense, which is holding

555
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: your offense to three. Right. I know it's a tough ask,

556
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, when you're holding the Patriots, a Super Bowl offense,

557
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: to thirteen points, but you have to do better. Well.

558
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: Jomes Lornin has always used to say this, if if

559
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: the offense scores three, that means we got to hold

560
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: them to two. Absolutely, that's the way it goes, right. Yeah,

561
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: you're fireman. You gotta put out the fire no matter

562
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: what the score. So exactly, and I'm sure no one's

563
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: going home saying, you know, we did our job. We

564
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: hold him the thirteen points. No, you're all you all

565
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: feel the same way, and you're right, you rightfully should. Yes. Yeah, well,

566
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, there was a reporter from ESPN named Josina

567
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: Anderson who was trying to start some stuff like that.

568
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: He said, just what Rams, He said, Rams Defense, You

569
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: tweeted this, Rams. Defensive source texted me we needed one touchdown, Joe, Joe,

570
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: that's all. Like, first of all, I don't know what

571
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: defensive source means. Second of all, if we're doing math here,

572
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: thirteen to three means you need more than one touchdown.

573
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know who that was or you know,

574
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: whatever it was, but that that that makes you, you know,

575
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: do the man with the little the finger on his

576
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 1: chin emoji? Like, what are you talking about here? I mean,

577
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: why are we trying to start this stuff? I hope

578
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: you're not trying to, you know, start a civil war

579
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: offense versus defense. That's not the way it goes. But

580
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean, they're right, all you needed was one TD

581
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: one touchdown to tie the game or get back in it,

582
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: especially when it was a three three ball game. Yeah,

583
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: if you could have got the lead, things would have

584
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: been different. Absolutely, they would have been different. But we

585
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: don't know that. I mean again, the score was thirteen

586
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: to three. One touchdown doesn't wing you back, No, no,

587
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm just but if you had a chance to take

588
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: the lead, if you could have gone up ten three

589
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: over the Patriots and make them have to come back

590
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: to beat you, which they can do, yes, which they

591
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: can't do. Yes, But the way your defense was playing,

592
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: all you needed was a lead and possibly things could

593
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: open up for you. I hear that. I hear that.

594
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: But it's also like, yeah, who do you think has

595
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: it worse in the off season, Jared Goff scoring three

596
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: points versus the Patriots or Matt Ryan who had a

597
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: twenty eight point lead. Oh that Ryan? Because people are

598
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: still talking about Look, people aren't going to talk about

599
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: this Super Bowl like they talk about the twenty eight

600
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: to three They're not you know what I mean, right right,

601
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Like you're up twenty eight three and lost, right, I know,

602
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I know this one. They were never in it, this one.

603
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: It was yours. Yeah. Yeah, they had to scrape your

604
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: name off the trophy, yes they do that, but yeah, yeah, crazy.

605
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: So it is it is what it is. Um, I

606
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: think you have to take your head off to the

607
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: Patriots no matter how you feel about them in Boston

608
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: and call it what it is. They're a dynasty. They are. Yeah,

609
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: six super Bowls since two thousand and one. Yes, I'm

610
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hoping and praying for retirement. The league is

611
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: not set up to be that way. No, Grock, you

612
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: can retire, Brady, you can go to Belichick. Aren't you done?

613
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Now right? Please leave? No? They kept Sam. No, they

614
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: showed this on NFL miked up too, like they're like,

615
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're gonna get another one. Oh, we'll be back.

616
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: All those insufferable fans, they're gonna be back again. They're

617
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: straw man too. They're gonna like, say, nobody believed in

618
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: us again next year. Who who is saying that straw man?

619
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: Get the straw man? Addie here. Man. I can deal

620
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: with Boston fans who talk trash. I can't stand the

621
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: ones that's sit there with Patriot gear and just smile

622
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: at you. All right, Oh well say something? Will you

623
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: go before we go up, before we go into our

624
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: end of season wrap up. I do want to mention

625
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: this about to keep to leave and just how much

626
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: of a difference he makes, So I was looking at

627
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: these numbers. So without to Leave this year, the Rams

628
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: gave up an average of thirty point eight points per game.

629
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: With to Leab that went down to seventeen point eight

630
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: points per game. That man makes a huge difference, and

631
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting just how much of a difference it makes. Now. Granted,

632
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: the games without to Leave, you know you're going against

633
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City, New Orleans in the regular seasoning leads the

634
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: explosive offenses. Aaron Rodgers also in that period. But still

635
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: like these that it's undisputable, right, like the facts are facts. Yes,

636
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: he's he's such an important part of anyone's defense, especially

637
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: this one. But what I love is like on the

638
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: sideline before the game, when you're doing the national anthem,

639
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: he's standing next to Wade Phillips most of the time.

640
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: So he's Wade Phillips extension on the field. Yes, yeah,

641
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean they see the game from the same perspective,

642
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: how to win, how to lose, what they're doing, and

643
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: how we can adjust. You know, that's the type of

644
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: guy that retires and goes right on to his staff. Yes, yeah,

645
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: you can hire him immediately to coach your secondary or

646
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: what have you. You know, forget what you think you

647
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: know about to leave. The guy loves it. He loves

648
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: the game, and he really really understands it, understands it

649
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: so well he can teach it. That's what John Johnson said.

650
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Saw this in an ESPN story by Lindsay Theory, and

651
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: basically John Johnson was like, if he said, don't take

652
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: this the wrong way, but to Lead could coordinate Wade

653
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: Phillips defense. That's just how well he understands it. And

654
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: that is why when to Lead comes back, John Johnson's like,

655
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, it puts everybody at ease. He said this

656
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: multiple times. That's really the example of what it is.

657
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: He understands it that well that he can playing it

658
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: and teach it to everybody else. And he's got the

659
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: the gravitas, so to speak, to shake off a bad

660
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: call too. Yeah, like like a pitcher and a catcher

661
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: if something comes in off the sidelines, Nope, we're not

662
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna run that. We're gonna run this right here. Yeah.

663
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: If he gets mad, he gets mad at me, and

664
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell him why on the sideline right Yeah, once

665
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: we get this three and out, Yes, Yeah, he's so

666
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: smart with it exactly that. Um, so let's let's wrap

667
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: up the season the year by we'll go through a

668
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: couple of like off season or excuse me, season awards. Yeah,

669
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: which I know you are the best putter on the team,

670
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Johnny Hecker. Oh yes, by set a record, man, Yeah,

671
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: sixty five yards with that punt. Beautiful bounce, Wow, super

672
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Bowl record? Members? Is that the living right bounce? Is

673
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: that what they call that? When you play pick up

674
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: basketball and you like throw a shout in from a

675
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: three point line and it hits the front of the

676
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: rim and goes in, that's called the living right bounce? Right? Yes, yeah, right,

677
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: he did something right? Um, but was let's start here?

678
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: What was your favorite moment, favorite game of the year.

679
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh god, favorite moment, favorite game? Um, favorite moment Remique

680
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: Wilson getting the ball out versus Green Bay. Oh yeah,

681
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean you heard all of La goya. Oh my god.

682
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers with another shot at it. Who knows if

683
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: he takes possession of that football, how that game goes.

684
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: But that's number one. The ones that stand out. Aaron

685
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: Donald taking the football away in San Francisco. Oh yes, yeah,

686
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: that that stands out forever. Anything related to a screenplay

687
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: with Todd Gurley and Andrew Whitworth and Roger Staffeld. When

688
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: when you see those guys and they hit that screen

689
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: up properly and you see those poor dbs going, oh

690
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: my god, here they come, Oh my god, he's on

691
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: me so fast. And if you have to deal with

692
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: this guy, then you got to deal with Todd Um Minnesota,

693
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: that game plan, Jared Goff's throat a Cup. There's just

694
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: so many. It's just so many players that keep coming

695
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: back to you. The shootout versus Kansas City, that whole saga,

696
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: going to Mexico, not going to Mexico, playing at home

697
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: and then a shootout. One hundred and five points scored

698
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: in one game? Did I tell you? After the game,

699
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I went to my car and fell asleep for fifteen minutes.

700
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: What I needed to rest I was going from one

701
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: end zone to the other, like slow down, guys, please.

702
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: That's one of those games where after you're like I

703
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: need a cigarette, you know, Like I saw Sal Palantonio

704
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: right up the tunnel and he looks at me and goes,

705
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: that's the future of the NFL, And I'm like, I

706
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: sure as hell hope not. My god, you gotta be

707
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: in shape for that. That was crazy. I mean, there

708
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: was just so many how about you, Well, no, I

709
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: think what she said about Aaron Donald the performance against

710
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: San Francisco where he had four sacks, six tackles for

711
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: loss and that strip on the forced fumble, I think

712
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: from Brita like I've never seen a defensive performance like

713
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: that at all. Like that is the most dominant defensive

714
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: performance I've ever seen by an individual. And I just

715
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: I feel so fortunate that I got to watch all

716
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: of Aaron Donald's games this year. Yeah, and then I've

717
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: been able to see really his entire career, but that

718
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: he was just the absolute pinnacle of what he can do.

719
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: That was unbelievab. And I heard I read that he

720
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: says he's going to come back better. He did say that,

721
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he was getting into the gym. So

722
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: today is Thursday. So we talked to him on Tuesday

723
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: as the with locker clean out. He said, I'm getting

724
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: back in the gym on Thursday. He's a day late. Well,

725
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: I know, I was like, so are you gonna take

726
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: any time? You know whatever? He's like, now I'm getting

727
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: back in the jim on Thursday. Yeah, I was like, Mom,

728
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: he's like, my body feels fresh good. All right, you know,

729
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: great adding Fowler to the mix, Yeah, I thought was great. Um,

730
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, just the the roller coaster ride that is

731
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters up the down and then you saw the

732
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: great You saw how great he is and how good

733
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: he can be in the Super Bowl. It's true. Yeah,

734
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: I mean I think there was a defensive a philosophical

735
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: switch on defense that helped him out big time, for sure,

736
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: no no doubt about that. Also, you mean you mentioned

737
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: the goff Minnesota performance. Oh yeah, that was the best

738
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: game of his career, and you just you know, McVay

739
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: always says the truest measurement of performance is consistency. You're

740
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: not gonna get one hundred perfect passer rating, you know,

741
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: completing nearly eighty percent of your passes every game. But man,

742
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: if you can look somewhat like that, you know, three

743
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: quarters of that for the rest of your career, Like,

744
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: that's really what's going to set you up to be great.

745
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: And just that throw that he made, you know, rolling

746
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: out to Cup on the right and yeah, I just

747
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: remember being in the press box and saying, oh, no way,

748
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: no way, no way. Then he lets the ball go

749
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: and it perfectly drops in the bucket to cup. No,

750
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. I think Anthony Barr is still

751
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: having nightmares from that game. He's still oh my god. Yeah,

752
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: just there were so many, so many just great efforts

753
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: to get here. Um the playoff win versus Dallas. Oh,

754
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: it's annihilation up front. Yeah, you know, just to see

755
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: the way they dominated up front and just the way

756
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: I thought that both CJ and Todd just ran so

757
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: well in that game. That was that was really great

758
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: in a loss, losing to New Orleans. Yeah, that game

759
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, I thought was it was a hard

760
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: fought battle and you almost had it, you know what

761
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Yes, you almost had it there, and then

762
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, we're gonna come back here. Yeah,

763
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You have a feeling we're

764
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna come back here and see these guys again. And

765
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: then you do and you get the win there. So

766
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: just Greg Zerline banging one from fifty seven, dude, unbelievable. Finally,

767
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: we've seen every kick that he's made and missed every

768
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: time they trotted him out for a record breaker, and

769
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: it was either right or left. But it had the distance. Yeah,

770
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, this guy can hit it from anywhere,

771
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: and let's hope he can do it in the key situation.

772
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: While he did it to send you to the super Bowl,

773
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: he sure did. A fifty seven yard game winning kick

774
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: was the longest game winning kick in the NFL postseason.

775
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: Is wow, wow, wow, unreal, unbelievable. So there were there

776
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: were so many great moments this year, and that's what

777
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: happens when you become an FC champions. Ye, go all

778
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: the way to the Super Bowl. Uh. The only thing

779
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: that was missing that I really wanted to have happened.

780
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: It just didn't. And I thought you were like an

781
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: eyelash away Joe Joe Natson taking one back. Oh yeah,

782
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: he was that close. And everybody that that's not around

783
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: the team, that gets around the team says the same

784
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: thing about him. He's so little, He's so tiny. Ya.

785
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: How much does he weigh I'm like, I think they

786
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: have him listed at one hundred and seventy five and

787
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: that might be a bit generous. Yeah, a bit generous. Yes,

788
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: he's weighing in with weights. Yeah, yeah, no question. MVP

789
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: of the year. Yeah, oh geez, put it on me.

790
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: Um wow, Aaron Aaron Donald, that's my pick two. I mean,

791
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: I want to say golf without golf think about never mind.

792
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to throw people under the bus, but

793
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean, your quarterback is the main thing. The main

794
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: thing is the main thing. Yeah. Yeah, you won thirteen

795
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: games and you went to the super Bowl, So that

796
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: guy had to be pretty good. So if this was college,

797
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: he probably is up for the Heisman Trophy. Yeah, you

798
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yes, So outside of that, it

799
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: would be Todd Gurley and then Robert Woods. Yeah, probably

800
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: not necessarily in that order, because I think Robert was

801
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: and what he's given this team. You have to go

802
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: back and look at the the entire season to see

803
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: how big he was in certain situations to keep the

804
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: drive going or to put the capper on. Just he

805
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: was just the guy out there in my opinion. So

806
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna you know, my next question was offensive

807
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, and for me, I would say

808
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: Robert Woods. And it's for that reason, but it's also

809
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: because of the way he seamlessly switched positions when Cooper

810
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Cup got lost for the year, right like that was

811
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: the Brandon Cooks Robert Woods, Cooper Cups show. Robert Wood

812
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: slides over to Cooper Cup's position, and you would not

813
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: have known the difference because Robert Woods just stayed that

814
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: consistent all year. Yeah, he can carry it, he can

815
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: catch it. He's tough, the guy's available. You know, he's

816
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: a leader. You know, he's everything you want in a

817
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: football player. If you can describe him in one word,

818
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: it would be complete. Yes, move on to the next sentence. Yes, yes, exactly.

819
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, but you're talking about him keeping drives alive

820
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: and things like that. The game at Seattle that the

821
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Rams won, His fifty six yard jet sweep, you know,

822
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: down the right sideline. That was a huge play in

823
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: that game. And he really was the only starting wide

824
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: receiver left in that contest because both Brandon Cooks and

825
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup had gone out right, So that, to me,

826
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: that tells you just how big of a guy he

827
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: will tell Where he catches it, how he catches it,

828
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: and what happens after he catches it. The guy as

829
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: tough as nails, right, Yeah, and he wants more, he

830
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: wants the ball. Yeah. But I think it's almost unfair

831
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: to not mention Todd Gurley in something like this because

832
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley, he was second in the league in rushing,

833
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: I want to say, and he had twenty one total touchdown.

834
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: So it's like over the last couple of months you

835
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: didn't hear as much about Todd Gurley, first because of

836
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: the injury and then because of the way the whole

837
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: offense just was not getting as much production. But Todd

838
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: Gurley had a tremendous year coming off that contract extension

839
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: that he got in training came, no doubt, no doubt.

840
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: I mean, look, when you when you score that much,

841
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: your name is up there with placekickers as far as

842
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: points in a season, You're you're doing something. I thought

843
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: McVay and Gurley had a fantastic first ten games, first

844
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: eleven games, you know what I mean, Yes, and then

845
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: you know it is what it is and what happened

846
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: is what happened. But early in the season, I mean,

847
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: Todd was easily the best player in the game. And

848
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: that's with Mahomes out there as well. You know what

849
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the way the way he was playing, the

850
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: way he was scoring, in the way he was being used,

851
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: he was the ultimate weapon. Yes, yes, defensive Player of

852
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: the Year not named Aaron Donald. That's what I was

853
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna laugh, are you kidding? Yeah, not named John Johnson,

854
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: the third, Well that was my pick two. Yeah, John

855
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: Johnson the third. Everywhere man and he did every everything

856
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: you know at a Pro Bowl level. As a safety,

857
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: you gotta come up and tackle, you gotta be a

858
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: linebacker sometimes. I mean he really gets there with bad

859
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: intentions and then you have to cover like a dB.

860
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, how many players has he made off

861
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: his feet? So many flying through the air, knocking the

862
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: ball down or you know, getting the ball out. I

863
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: think he had just a fantastic year. Well, he led

864
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: the team with foreign receptions than had of course that

865
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: big one against New Orleans, you know, to help get

866
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: the Rams back on the field in overtime. But he

867
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: also plays the run so well, and I think that's

868
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: something that's not maybe is appreciated from him because you know,

869
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily gonna get the tackles for loss when

870
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: he's playing in the box. He comes up, he tackles.

871
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: He's a very sure tackler. So I think that is

872
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: part of why he is definitely the defensive player that

873
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: you're not named Aaron Tunnel talking to Mike Jones, who

874
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: I knew it. That's why pause? London Fletcher, Kevin Carter,

875
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: the guys I played with, and we were talking about

876
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: him and how well he tackles. That's one thing that

877
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: gets lost in the whole Greatest Show on Turf. We

878
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: were a great tackling team, yeah, because we worked on

879
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: it a lot in practice. The whole team, everyone, even

880
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: offensive Liman worked on tackling. We were a great tackling

881
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: football team. And we wondered, how can a guy be

882
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: this good at tackling when you don't practice in bads? Huh?

883
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we had to hit. It was normal

884
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: for us to tackle people. It was normal for us

885
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: to practice. But you're out there in walkthroughs for most

886
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: of the year or without pads on for most of

887
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: the year. And he's still a great tackler. That's just

888
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: the guy that just knows how to do it. Yes, Yeah,

889
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: he's great. And I think you know, the more that

890
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: he plays, the more that people around the league are

891
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: really going to give him the recognition he deserves. Well,

892
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: I want him to get snubbed every year, well, I said,

893
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: he just gets more motivated. Absolutely, I want him to

894
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: be the hunter. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Chase that man interesting, Yeah,

895
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: good guy. Though, very good guy and he's one of

896
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: the guys that I really enjoyed. I love watching employ yea, yeah, yeah,

897
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: for sure. What do you think is the biggest priority

898
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: now as the Rams begin their offseason personnel? You got

899
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: to figure out who's gonna be here. What are you

900
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna do with Sue? Yeah, you know, m LaMarcus I

901
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: believe is going to test the market. I believe unless

902
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: he gets franchise, gets franchise. Here are you still have

903
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Fowler to worry about? Just so, Roger Saffi, Roger Saffel,

904
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean, just and some guys up front. Are they

905
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: going to retire? You know, I mean there's some question

906
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: marks that will answer themselves, you know, coming in the

907
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: next month. But just there's nothing schematic. I like the

908
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: offensive scheme and the play calling obviously defensively the same

909
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: thing as well. I wish they would have jelled a

910
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: little bit faster, But there's no changes to any any

911
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: of the coordinators or any of the philosophies. I like

912
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: them both. I think what you have now our personnel

913
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: decisions right, and some of those will take care of themselves. Yes, yes,

914
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: no doubt. I mean, to me, the biggest priority would

915
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: be resigning Roger Staffold. Yeah, like I think that he's

916
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: been playing as best football over the last couple of years.

917
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: And it's probably because they've given him a spot and

918
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: they've solidified what's around him, and you know, being the

919
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: way he uses his athleticism to not only be a

920
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: pulling guard, but you know, get out in front on screenplays,

921
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: all those different things. He's earned that contract, no doubt,

922
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I mean when you think about, you know,

923
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: if Wit decides to step down, Joseph Noe Boom is

924
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: ready yea. If Sully decides to step down, Brian Allen

925
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: is right there, ready to go. I don't think you

926
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: really have a backup for Roger just yet. No, Yeah,

927
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean left guard is you know, just as important

928
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: as your left tackle. That's not something you just give

929
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: to a guy because he's next, right, he has to

930
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: be good. Yeah. If your left guard stinks, your quarterback's dead.

931
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding him. If you're if your left guard

932
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: can't block, your quarterback is dead. You better get a

933
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: guy that can run right. Yeah, yes, no, no, no, absolutely. Um.

934
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: The other thing to you got to replace Zach Taylor

935
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: as quarterbacks coach and congratulations to him on getting that

936
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: Bengals job as head coach there. But that's something that

937
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: they're going to have to take care of, just either

938
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: from an internal or external standpoint. Yeah. Well, I mean,

939
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: look it's it's you know, Sean McVay seems to be

940
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: the head coach maker. So the next guy that takes

941
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: the job is only going to be here a year

942
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: and then he has a head coaching you know. That's

943
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: what they used to say about Ravens defensive coordinator. Yeah,

944
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, like Leslie Frazier was on that staff. Yeah

945
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: was that Minnesota? No, No, he was there before we

946
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: went to Minnesota. Yeah, Pagan, Yeah, I mean the cradle

947
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: of coaches. Look, you can take this offensive game plan,

948
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: this philosophy and how he teaches it and run your

949
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: own ship. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able

950
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: to run it as well or you have the same horses,

951
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: but the offense can definitely travel or some of the

952
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: philosophies can travel. Well, this is the one thing that

953
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: I definitely want to say about Sean McVay. It's not

954
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: just the exes and os, it's the leadership. Because Stephen

955
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: Ross apparently, you know, the Dolphins owner. He was talking

956
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: about how, you know, everybody wants the next Sean McVay

957
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: or whatever, but we were looking for the right leader,

958
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: and I think that is a disservice to Sean McVay

959
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: and the way he leads and the amount of respect

960
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: everybody has for him as a leader. You know, you

961
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: talked to coaches both on this staff, employers that are

962
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: in the locker room. They talk about Honn McVeagh leads

963
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: like nothing they've ever seen. No. That to me is

964
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: his biggest strength, not just the exes and os, it's

965
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: who he is as a leader. And so like you know,

966
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: everybody can talk about the fact that they want the

967
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: next Sean mcvaye this, that, but I think there's only one.

968
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm with you. There are things that are small, things

969
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: like lining up, you know, toes on the line for

970
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: the national anthem, when everybody looks the same, all their

971
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: uniforms look the same. Practice, you know, it flows well,

972
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's all leadership. There's there's no wasted

973
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: motion on this football team anywhere. Nope, you know what

974
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's all a product of leadership. So

975
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: it all goes back to him. Yes, it does all

976
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: go back to him. And that's why, you know, because

977
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: they have him because he's young, and they've got this

978
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: young offensive core they've got he's still young, Aaron Donald,

979
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: who's under contract for the next five seasons. This is

980
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: why there should be optimism for the Rams going forward.

981
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: It is very hard to get back to a super Bowl.

982
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: It's just it just is, and you never know whether

983
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: or not you're actually going to be able to do it.

984
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: But I think with the leadership that the Rams have

985
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: in place and the core of players that they have

986
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: in place, they've got as good a shot as anybody. Yeah,

987
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: I think I think Sean McVeagh is going to become

988
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,479
Speaker 1: the chin like Bill Kawer, Like he's gonna start wearing

989
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: a scowl next seas. I'm dead serious. You can already

990
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: know you know him. The guy is ultra competitive. I

991
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: know this isn't gonna sit well with him. No, he's

992
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: it already, isn't not at all. Yeah, he's gonna want

993
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: some get back in a hurry. So let me just

994
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: word of advice for guys coming in that first mini camp.

995
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: Be on time, be on time, be ready to work. Yeah,

996
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: because he is yep. Yeah, he's ready to go right now. Yes,

997
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: I think so too. All Right, well, this is gonna

998
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: be our last episode of the twenty eighteen season of

999
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: Between the Horns. So I want to thank everybody for,

1000
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, just listening to this thing and helping this thing. Bro.

1001
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Thank you to Marco, your great partner, and so, I mean,

1002
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: it's been my favorite season covering the Rams for good reason.

1003
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: And so it's been the longest. It definitely has been

1004
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: the longest. And you know, while we're not gonna necessarily

1005
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: be here every single week, you know throughout the offseason,

1006
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: we definitely will be here periodically, draft covers, free agency,

1007
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: of the whole nine, there there is plenty to talk about,

1008
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: and especially since the Rams played into February, the combine

1009
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: is basically in two weeks, no kidding. Yeah, I have

1010
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: a like a suggestion what I think we should do

1011
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: the next between the Horns and New Orleans. Why, I

1012
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: don't know, just have some fun so they can like

1013
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: throw things at us and hate USC Championship t shirts on.

1014
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Come on, Well, everybody, thanks so much for listening all season.

1015
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: This has been Between the Horns. Have a great one. Everybody,