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Speaker 1: I'm rather Dablukiah, and on my podcast A Really Good Cry,

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Speaker 1: we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space

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Speaker 1: for raw, unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow you

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Speaker 1: to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together. Tilla,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming onto this podcast. It

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Speaker 1: means so much to me. We met a couple of

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Speaker 1: like a year ago. We met at an event we

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Speaker 1: did and yes, shout out to Rothi's and I immediately

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Speaker 1: when I met you, you had such a calm nature

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Speaker 1: about you. I didn't even know what you did, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about you, but I felt like nature

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Speaker 1: lived in you and that I could feel your earthly

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Speaker 1: presence in just the way that you spoke. And I

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Speaker 1: really appreciated that about you. I just want to introduce

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Speaker 1: you quickly to the audience before I keep go keep

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Speaker 1: like loving on you. Kevilla Marcus is an incredible chef,

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Speaker 1: had an incredible restaurant in New York that I want

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Speaker 1: to learn so much more about your beautiful content creator,

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Speaker 1: and I just think that what you share with the

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Speaker 1: world is so needed right now and I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: for everybody to hear your wisdom and everything that comes

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Speaker 1: from you.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a mutual fan club because I'm a big

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Speaker 2: fan of yours from Afar for a long time and

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Speaker 2: all the same. I just we need more powerful voices

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Speaker 2: and sort of the food movement and aligning with wellness,

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Speaker 2: and I think you do so in such a loving,

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Speaker 3: Such an approachable way.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We all want to live in your world, that is

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Speaker 3: for sure. So get to visit for the day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I need to come to your house. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: your farm is my dream farm. I need that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll have you come over and then you can,

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Speaker 3: you know, bring it home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect. So you have created a book called My

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Speaker 1: Regenerative Kitchen, and when I first read that one, it

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Speaker 1: looks gorgeous. The pictures are beautiful, the recipes look incredible.

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Speaker 1: But my first question is I feel like most people

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Speaker 1: don't know what regenerative kitchen means or what reg regenerative

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Speaker 1: brought you to this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean on our on our Instagram for west

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Speaker 2: could probably tell you what organic means either, but they

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Speaker 2: know it's sort of good for you, right. It lives

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Speaker 2: in this category of better than the way it used

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Speaker 2: really about building an ecosystem that is natural, that has

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Speaker 2: What that means is there's a number of different practices.

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Speaker 1: And how did you begin your journey into learning about this?

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Speaker 1: And did you move to New York when you obviously

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Speaker 3: What was your restaurant called Westbourne?

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Speaker 2: Our entire platform is really about creating food based on

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Speaker 3: We have to think about products different.

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Speaker 1: The reason that farmers doing monocrop is that because it's

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Speaker 1: Because there's no demand for it, or like they're not

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Speaker 2: We're going to put all of that into algae packaging.

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Speaker 2: So I always tell people follow the money and that

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Speaker 2: saying in your dorm room to install.

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Speaker 3: A worm farm. Yes, if you live on a plot.

438
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Speaker 2: Of land and you want to go down that route

439
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: you want to build your own garden, great, Like that's

440
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Speaker 2: not the beginner set.

441
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Speaker 3: So the book you know.

442
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: That that's a really simple one actually, Like you pop

443
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Speaker 1: on your dishwasher at the same time you pop on

444
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: your combosta. It's literally that easy. You cut up all

445
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: the veggies and things that have left over, you throw

446
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: it into the composta and it literally makes you soil.

447
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: Like it would just make you something you can put

448
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: into your garden or outside Caen.

449
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 2: You bring it to your farmer's market or mill, you

450
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 2: ship you know they'll pick it up, so you don't

451
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: even have to worry about distribution. So I did this

452
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: video and it was funny. A friend of mine was

453
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 2: asked a very similar question. I was like, get a bin,

454
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: and she was like, you need to film this. IM like,

455
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm not filming myself telling someone to get a bin.

456
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: That's the dumbest video I've ever heard, as she goes,

457
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: trust me, they people need that first step. So I

458
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: did this reel, literally held a bin, and I was like,

459
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: this is the one thing you can do.

460
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: Collect your food waste.

461
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: Yes one looking at it, you will cook differently and

462
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: you will subconsciously see I promise you. Within a month,

463
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: you will see that that bin gets lower and lower

464
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: just because seeing it makes you face. And I don't

465
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: mean that of guilt. Like it is compostable, there's not

466
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: a problem, but when you see it then you're like

467
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: you kind of get competitive, like, oh, I'm gonna see

468
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: if I can.

469
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Speaker 3: Fill it half up next?

470
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe a quarter can I put it into

471
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: my loamy every two weeks, not every day. So really,

472
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: I say to people, even before the loamy, get a bin,

473
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: start collecting it, put it on your countertop. Face it

474
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: every day. You will cook different you will purchase your

475
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: food differently, you will think about upcycling food differently. And

476
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: then step maybe one B is get yourself a compost system.

477
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: Talk to your local farmer's market. Most have drop off

478
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: and pick up. It really is that simple, and we

479
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: need to get out of this industrial complex of it's

480
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: not smelly and gross, it's not prohibitively expensive. It is

481
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 2: very accessible. And that's like one, you know, switch your

482
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: pasta for a regenerative brand tomorrow. Yeah, very simple. Every

483
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: household in America makes passed at least once a week.

484
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, swap your source.

485
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 3: It's that simple. Swap your rice. There's a lot of

486
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 3: regenerative race on the market, and.

487
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Speaker 1: Its times like I feel like it does take a

488
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Speaker 1: bit more of you talking about this yesterday or another podcast

489
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: about when you start investing in your health. It takes education.

490
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: When you start looking after the planet or like being

491
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: more conscious of the planet, it starts. It requires a

492
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: little bit more effort at the beginning. Yeah, it may

493
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: take research, and it may take looking things up. Like

494
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Speaker 1: you just said past this, it's like, oh, someone might say, well,

495
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Speaker 1: I have no idea what regenerative past.

496
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Speaker 2: It is when the book I give you three to four,

497
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: you easy to buy your book well, but for that reason,

498
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: it is about making it really easy. And look, I'm

499
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: a big do one thing for me. Impact change, life changes,

500
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Speaker 2: even goals. Right, we talk about manifesting. You can't manifest

501
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: a whole new world, but you can manifest one thing

502
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: that leads to another that leads to another.

503
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: I feel the same with impact.

504
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: Make one decision, live with it for a little, let

505
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: it sort of get into your bones, and then do

506
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Speaker 2: the next. And it does really snowball I think. Right

507
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: when you get into wellness, one thing leads to another,

508
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: leads to another. But don't worry about don't worry about

509
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: the snowball effect. Just focus on one thing.

510
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: And what do you feel like all the biggest misconceptions

511
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: people have about I think they're going to a grocery

512
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: store and they're picking things out the labels, the ingredients,

513
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: things like have you noticed people coming to be like, oh,

514
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm eating really like well for the panet or I'm

515
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: doing buying really good things and you're like that's not

516
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: good at all. What would you say are the biggest

517
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Speaker 1: things that are kind of.

518
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: You think lab created it gives me, you know, I

519
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: do sort of chuckle and I say to them, read

520
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: the ingredients.

521
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: If you can't pronounce it, probably shouldn't be in your body.

522
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's great. You know.

523
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Speaker 2: I actually am so impressed by young millennials and gen Z.

524
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: I see a lot of when I see UGC or

525
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: social posts, they are flipping over bags, they are reading

526
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: the ingredients, they are looking at everything in a way

527
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: that I'm obsessed with because I feel like that's new

528
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: people really looking at, you know, ingredients and going why

529
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: is palm oil and something that's supposed to be healthy?

530
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 2: So I think there's going to be a really big

531
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Speaker 2: shift because I think our generation is smart and really

532
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: on it and does do their research, and they share

533
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: it loud and proud, like I don't think my mom's

534
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: ever flipped over a container, Like it just wasn't the

535
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: way our parents were taught to do things. And you know,

536
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: now with social media, it's like everyone's an investigator, which

537
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: is kind of a good thing.

538
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Speaker 1: You know.

539
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: I think that I think, you know, not consuming sugars

540
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I really think it's ingredients.

541
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Speaker 2: I think it's thinking about the packaging, trying to cut

542
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: down your plastic intake.

543
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: And again, I think.

544
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Speaker 2: It's really about buying and cooking at home your food

545
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: in a way that you're really using it. I mean,

546
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: food waste is a big driver too, and it's very

547
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Speaker 2: tied again to this like how you cook, how you

548
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: buy things, but also this sort of food waste.

549
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: Capture and composting. Have you always feed onto each other?

550
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

551
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

552
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of people give you the I'm

553
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: sure you get it too, where it's like I'm so healthy, right,

554
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm sugar and carb free and I'm doing all these things.

555
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're eating literally only processed food.

556
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, bas all day.

557
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, go to Italy, you could have passed

558
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: it every day and live healthier. It's not really about

559
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: the carbs. It's about the quality of ingredients.

560
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so true. I have always in mind, I mentioned

561
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: this at the beginning, but you have basically a farm

562
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: at home, and I think that's such a beautiful way

563
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: to also contribute to I mean, one of the major

564
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: ways I imagine to contribute. What would you like, how

565
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: did you get into growing things at home? Has it

566
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: been something you've always done living in La You said

567
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: it's been quite easy to get things from farmers' markets.

568
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: But one ways to recommend for people to start growing

569
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: things at home, the easiest things to grow at home.

570
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Speaker 1: And two, I would love to hear about your farm

571
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more so we can all have a goal.

572
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Speaker 2: Well, we lived in New York for fifteen years, on

573
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: the East coast for almost twenty I did always grow

574
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: things at home. There's a lot of indoor systems. There's

575
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Speaker 2: I always tell people you want to start really small

576
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: and easy. Windowsill herbs, every apartment, every dorm room. We

577
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: can all do that, right, I mean, I've always wanted

578
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: a farm. I love animals, I love growing things. I

579
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: love the slowness of the process. But I would say

580
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: sort of easy. Quick tip is windowsill herbs again, similarly

581
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: figuring out ways to use it, making you know, herb oil,

582
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: making tea infusions, making your own tea, drying your herbs,

583
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: making spices, giving them to friends, Like there's nothing better

584
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: than going over to a friend's house, favorite gift and

585
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: bringing a bunch of herbs. Right, it's very simple. It

586
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: will live, you know, certain herbs will live in so

587
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: many environments. Again, windowsill herbs very simple. Again, Now I

588
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: think the technology has changed. There's a lot of indoor

589
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: systems that are really interesting if you really want to

590
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: go that next step. For people have backyards or even

591
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: you know in New York, like a fire escape. I

592
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: always say, go to home depot, Like they have these

593
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: really simple raised beds. They're all different sizes. You could

594
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: even do something small and grow one thing. It's really

595
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: just starting and experimenting and there is no failing because

596
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: you're learning from it. I think people get nervous, like, well,

597
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 2: what if it doesn't grow. It's like, well, now you're

598
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: going to learn, and you're going to know the next time.

599
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: And not everything works. I mean, we have a running

600
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: joke for three seasons. I love Wiser Farms. They make

601
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: the best melons. It's funny. The New York Times just

602
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: wrote this huge article about them, like they finally caught

603
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: up twenty years later. They're just so special and so

604
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: we've always wanted to grow a really special kind of melon,

605
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: and every season we get just one and she's always

606
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: really small, and you know, I'm really trying to like

607
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: figure out why I can't get it to grow. You know,

608
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: squash will get twenty and they get planted right next

609
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: to each other, and I'm like, what's up with the candalope?

610
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: You know, the vines just don't want to give me

611
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: more than one. But it's kind of fun. It's a conversation.

612
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: It's a dialogue with the earth. It's not going to

613
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: be a one way street. It's not going to be perfect.

614
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of it. So here we have chickens.

615
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: We have a pretty big garden, and even I mean

616
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Speaker 2: to me, it's small. I would like I would live

617
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Speaker 2: on a massive farm.

618
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Speaker 3: I want.

619
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Speaker 2: The Ecology Center down in near Laguna is an amazing place.

620
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Speaker 2: If you're in southern California, you should absolutely visit. It's

621
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: a twenty acre regenerative farm.

622
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Speaker 1: Wow. I have a cafe, a.

623
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Speaker 2: Farm shop, a school. I wish we lived closer. I

624
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: would send my kids to school there. I would live on,

625
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, a full farm, which might happen at some point.

626
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: But even our garden, which isn't that huge, it's so

627
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: much food.

628
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: You literally don't know what to do.

629
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Speaker 1: What are you growing right now?

630
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Speaker 2: We're right at the end of sungle tomato season, which

631
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: is justice.

632
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Speaker 1: You post that delicious.

633
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: They're amazing graffiti eggplant which I brought you some yes,

634
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: that's gorgeous. Love those I grow Jimmy and Nardello peppers,

635
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: which are every chef's like very chefy thing. But every

636
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 2: year we try new things, you know, we do some

637
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: of the classics, We try new things. My kids get

638
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: to pick something that we grow every season.

639
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: And it's because I think with all the different seeds

640
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: and stuff that you realize how varied. It's not just

641
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: like one tomato. There's like hundreds of varieties and for

642
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: each thing, and I think it ends up being so

643
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: it makes food and cooking so much more exciting, doesn't it.

644
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: And that's regenerative thinking.

645
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have to have this horrible, you know

646
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: tomato that has no flavor, and all of them look perfect.

647
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: There's actually eighty varietals, you know. Y seed heritage is

648
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: a big part of what I talked about in the book.

649
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: It's all about trying a new ingredient. I tell people

650
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: another one thing you can do at home that's super simple,

651
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: that is nothing to do with right new systems, new

652
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: ways of you know, growing your food. Buy something new

653
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: every month, Buy an ingredient that you have never tried, like.

654
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: Great field gut. Okay, totally diversity and what you eat

655
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: is like great for farming, but also so good for

656
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: you your gut, Like you need diversity in your gut microbiome,

657
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: and the only way you can get that is by

658
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: trying different things regularly, not buying the same things every

659
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: single week.

660
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: So my kids do our grocery shopping with us.

661
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: That is so nice.

662
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: I think it's such a big way to get kids

663
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: to eat things. Yeah, and also it's just we are

664
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: very communal, like everyone trips in with everything, but even

665
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: that is so important. They really appreciate it. When we

666
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: go to the farmer's market, each one buys something new,

667
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 2: and I say to them, have to try a new

668
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: vegetable every two weeks.

669
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: We have to try a new fruit.

670
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about where it's from, how it's grown,

671
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: what kind of vitamins are in it, and then what

672
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: that does for your body. So explaining certain things right,

673
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: it's for bone density, it's for eye clarity, it's for

674
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: your brain. I think people also underestimate how much that

675
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: can affect children too.

676
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: My mum has always grown things in her garden, whether

677
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: it's herbs or curry leaves. She tried trying to indoor

678
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: grow curry leaves in the UK because it's so difficult.

679
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: I have curry. I have a curry leave fore here.

680
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you some. It's huge. I always

681
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: wanted to and I got this hydroponics system when I

682
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: had a really small place here and I was so

683
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: shocked at how much could grow in it. And then

684
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: when I got to this house, I was like, oh,

685
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: I want a really big thing, and I want to

686
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: try and make it really huge. And so year went by,

687
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: another year went by, and I was trying to make

688
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: it this like big thing, and it was just what

689
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: you said. I was like, okay, I just need to start.

690
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: So I started with herbs because I use herbs so much,

691
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: so parsley, cilandra, like different types of herbs that I

692
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: have out there, curry leaf plant. I haven't got to

693
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: vegies yet, but even just that going out and being

694
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: able to grab my fresh herbs to put on top,

695
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: it changes the way that I experienced the food that

696
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm eating. And so I agree, I think it just

697
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: starts one part. Even if it's one part of something,

698
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: it will make you want to grow more and make

699
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: you want to like it's just so much more exciting

700
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: that way.

701
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: And you grow so much you share it, and then

702
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: that pollinates someone else to be like, oh, it was

703
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: really fun to get curry leaves, you know, when you

704
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: came over for dinner. Maybe I should grow something. It

705
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: does actually pollinate people thinking about it when you even

706
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 2: do something like bringing it over to their house.

707
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: And you mentioned your children. You have three children? Don't

708
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: you four? For now? Oh my gosh, you have four children? Incredible?

709
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: And how has it been sharing your world with that? Yes,

710
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: I actually know. I want to talk. I want to

711
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: switch gears and talk about motherhood because four children is

712
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: incredible while you've been doing all of these things in

713
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: the world, and share your experiences, your lessons that you've

714
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: learned through motherhood and how it's been for you. Oh gosh,

715
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: how old is your new How old is your new newborn?

716
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: Like you're hearing it's you've been Your baby was bor

717
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: seven weeks ago? What do you make one?

718
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: You look lovey, being sweet? I breast I pumped right before,

719
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: right before coming in here. I was like just five

720
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: minutes to like, you know, get it all out.

721
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: With each pregnancy completely different, Like how how was the

722
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: process of each.

723
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: Every single one? You know?

724
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: I was not gifted with great fertility. It was very,

725
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: very hard each one. I always say to my husband,

726
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: I feel like I jug into the universe with every

727
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: bit of my being and every bit of my for

728
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: each one. Each one is a whole planet unto themselves.

729
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: They are totally different and unique, every conception, delivery, how

730
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: postpartum was, how my experience was. And I had my

731
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: kids very close together. So my oldest is just about

732
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: to turn.

733
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: Five a couple of years. It's been a very intense

734
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: couple of years.

735
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: No twins, I wish, but I think look for me,

736
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: motherhood was like the greatest clarifier. I think it made

737
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: me a better entrepreneur. You know, I wrote the cookbook

738
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: and produced the cookbook while I was trying desperately to

739
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: get pregnant with my fourth. I almost feel like they

740
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: I literally did our The IVF implant that finally worked

741
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: was the morning after we wrapped the cookbook photo shoot,

742
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: like this crazy four day marathon. We wrapped at like

743
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: midnight at seven am. I was down in Elsa Gundo

744
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: with you know, my legs up in the straps and

745
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: I was just like this, you know, and ever on

746
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: the shoot was like you're crazy.

747
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: I was like, well, you know, it's all timed. You

748
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: don't get to pick it.

749
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: They're like, your go date is tomorrow and you're like,

750
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: could it be the next day?

751
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: And they're like no.

752
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: You know people think I think people don't understand, just

753
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: like it's so yeah, it's been honestly a very intense,

754
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: intense journey with a lot of joy, a lot of heartbreak,

755
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: a lot of twists and turns.

756
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: She do use IVF full most. For how many of

757
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: your children did you use IVF?

758
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: Four two one was a very gifted accident, if you will,

759
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: I would say he was like fast and fast out.

760
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: And then my first I actually found out I was

761
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: pregnant in the middle of IVF after many, many, many

762
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: months of unsuccessful trying.

763
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's kind of these that I have done

764
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: IVF and it's been really difficult. I have someone in

765
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: my life you don't want to mention, but going through

766
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: at the moment for the first time, and it's really taken.

767
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: You know, it takes a toll on your emotions, on

768
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: your strength, on so many things. And you know, when

769
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: you have that desperate desire to be a mother, I

770
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: think you can only relate to it when you're in

771
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: that space, and I feel like every time I speak

772
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: to her, she's so positive, but at the same time

773
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: will be like crying with desperation when I'm when I'm

774
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm having conversations with her. And so

775
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: how was that process for you? Do you have any

776
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: words of like encouragement for people going through because I

777
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: know more people that have done IVF than not lately,

778
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: and it's something which can be really difficult to decide

779
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: on and also go through.

780
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I want to hold her, give

781
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: her my number.

782
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: I like love.

783
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: Talking to women about it because I do think we

784
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: keep it very hush hush still. I mean, I feel

785
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: like IVF, fertility and miscarriages are like it still feels

786
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: like the nineteen fifties, Like we're not supposed to say it.

787
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean, even people.

788
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: People feel so it's so hard for people to even

789
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: speak about it.

790
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: I've had people say, I mean, I can't believe you

791
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: talk about you know, some of your kids are IVF,

792
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm out here, you know, sharing as

793
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 2: much as I can and trying to normalize it because

794
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: it is brutally hard. Look, you're hopped up on hormones.

795
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: You're literally biologically not yourself. You're taking I mean every day.

796
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: I took three shots for almost a year. I mean

797
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: it's brutal or like a science experiment. You don't feel human,

798
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: and no one can understand in that moment. You know,

799
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: I'd even say to my husband, I'm like, you know,

800
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: you're supportive, but like, you really don't know what it's

801
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: like to take this any shots.

802
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I't empathize, you know, you don't really and literally mentally

803
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: you're not yourself.

804
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: You're on all these hormones. It's a huge part of

805
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: your day. You're also getting on top of that, you

806
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: getr blood drawn every other day, You're getting a sonogram

807
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: every other day. I mean literally, people are invading your

808
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: body twenty four seven. You know, one of the things

809
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: I say to people is one, it's not for the

810
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: faint of heart, and you kind of treat it like,

811
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, I'm an entrepreneur, I run a startup.

812
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: It's like a startup. You know the world's going like this,

813
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: and you.

814
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: Have to mentally figure out how to even it out,

815
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: kind of against all odds and maybe a level of psychosis.

816
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, just to be like I.

817
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: Don't feel it and I want, you know, I tell people,

818
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: buckle up, get into it, like you do when you

819
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: do a job. You have to put that sort of

820
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: blinder intensity on and kind of power through because it's

821
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: brutal every time you find out you're not pregnant. I mean,

822
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: I share this story a lot. One of the times

823
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 2: when the IVF didn't work, I started bleeding the morning

824
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: I was hosting a big event for Coterie. It was

825
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: a room filled with new moms and.

826
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: Pres ignant women.

827
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: I like, literally wanted to die. And I had so

828
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: many people say, well, I can't believe you went through it.

829
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a job, Like I don't know what

830
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: am I supposed to do. Thirty people are coming to

831
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: this thing. I'm gonna cry while uncovered in blood, Like

832
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I literally was cooking something else.

833
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: I was wearing a white jumpsuit like an idiot. My

834
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: son was with me. I just was hopeful maybe again,

835
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, crazily optimistic. Started bleeding in the middle of

836
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: the event. I had to go to the person's bathroom

837
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: put a sweatshirt around my waist like no one ever knew.

838
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean, there were multiple of those things where you're

839
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: just like I would like to sit in my bed

840
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 2: and cry and not leave and not be with the world.

841
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: But that's not the right way to move forward. And

842
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't have the luxury of that.

843
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: Also.

844
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: But I think amidst all that, I say to women,

845
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: you have to really put yourself care first about everything.

846
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: I mean, any.

847
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: Practices that really helped you while you were going through

848
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: any of this that have stuck with you, oh you

849
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: feel have really helped you?

850
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: Throw it one.

851
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: I included my kids, and a lot of people were

852
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: very surprised by that I brought them to appointments, even

853
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: though it was very friend upon. They're like, it's triggering

854
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 2: for other women. And I was like, well, one, I

855
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: don't have childcare, but two, I didn't want it to

856
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: be this thing. I felt that it would be too

857
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 2: emotionally brutal to hide it from them, and like kids

858
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: pick up your energy. Anyway, they gave me shots. They

859
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 2: would hold my hand, they knew, and I would say,

860
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 2: we're trying, we're trying to bring this baby to the world,

861
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, with each one that was IVF, even when

862
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: my son was very young, you know. So one, I

863
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: do think not Hiding it from people, I think is

864
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: a really big one. People think they're not ready to

865
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: face it, but I actually think it's too high of

866
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: an emotional burden For me. It was so one I think,

867
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: don't hide it.

868
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: Who see is so important. I think every time I'm

869
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: going through something difficult, whether it's this or anything else,

870
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: you always end up feeling like the first instinct I

871
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: feel is to hie, thenate and hide. And I remember

872
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: my friend went through losing her mum and she'd lost

873
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: her dad years before. I asked her because I saw

874
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: her straight after and she was in like really high

875
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: spirits and I was like, what did you do to

876
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: like allow yourself to speak in the way you're speaking,

877
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: to be back at work so fast? Like what did

878
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: you do? And she said that the difference between when

879
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: her mom passed away and when her dad passed away

880
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: this time, sorry, when her dad passed away earlier and

881
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: when her mom passed away this time is she allowed

882
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: people in. And I was like, that is such good.

883
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: It was such great advice for any difficulty that you're

884
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: going through, Like, don't harden into a shell, be soft

885
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: and absorb people's love, absorb people's help. Because I think,

886
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, along with along with shutting ourselves off, we're

887
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: used to shutting our homes off now and like we're

888
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: used to doing so many things where we're blocking everything

889
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: out because we feel overexposed. I think like social media

890
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: does that to you. You kind of end up on a

891
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: shell because a lot more is seen about you than

892
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: whereas I remember when my grandma would talk about when

893
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: she grew up, or even my mom. It was like

894
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: my grandma would have people coming through the door that

895
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: she didn't know for dinner. She would know she had

896
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: to make enough food for so much of the village

897
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: just because you don't know who's coming by. And I'm

898
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: like that the open heart, the open space, and if

899
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: you can do that with your own self, it really

900
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: helps with healing so much more than you think.

901
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: I agree. I think it's just a lot to bear.

902
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: And I always say to people too.

903
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: I mean I had my husband at every single appointment,

904
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: he was there for every single shot.

905
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not doing this alone.

906
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: And you you know, people I have some friends who've

907
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: gone through IVF and said, well, but what can they do?

908
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: Like they're not doing anything at at the appointment, I said, yeah,

909
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: but you're taking an hour out of your day to

910
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: go do that, someone should be there with you. I mean,

911
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: even as you have a baby. That inclusion I think

912
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: is important. I think second is you know, I believe

913
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: in body work. I think a lot of it too,

914
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: is like you don't feel like yourself and your own

915
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: skin and your own body. I wish we lived in

916
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 2: a country where things like acupuncture and chiropractor and body

917
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: work isn't seen as a luxury. I wish it was

918
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: covered by insurance, Like if you're lucky enough to have

919
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: IVF covered by insurance, A lot of this sort of

920
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: you know, to me, it's really like health maintenance should

921
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: be part of it because it's very hard to go

922
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: through without any form of that.

923
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: So even if it's just a holistic practices that you

924
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: found a lot of them.

925
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean again, I went through a lot,

926
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: and I just decided like, Okay, this is going to

927
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: be a very road I am giving. And I just

928
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: also decided I'm not going to have guilt associated with it.

929
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: If I have to give up other things, great, that's

930
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: where my budget's going. And even as a family, it's

931
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: about me right now. And I didn't feel shame in

932
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: saying that, and I said it to my whole family,

933
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: like all of this is about bringing this baby to

934
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: this world. Right now, I am the centerpiece of that.

935
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, and I need to give myself grace.

936
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: I need to take care of myself. And these things

937
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: are not luxuries, are frivolous. They're really therapeutic, like I

938
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: really saw it as part of it. And look, therapy,

939
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: whether that's a life coach, a therapist, whatever works for you,

940
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: having someone who's not an intimate that you can really

941
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: work all this out.

942
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: It is.

943
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: It's very psychologically difficult and brutally painful. And again and

944
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 2: that's when it I can say that as someone where

945
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: it eventually worked. Yes, sometimes it doesn't, and that's a

946
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: whole other, you know, bucket of grief.

947
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that.

948
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: I wish more people talked about it. I really do,

949
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: and I'm in your camp of I know so many

950
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 2: people who struggle to conceive and they don't talk about

951
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: you know, we just don't talk about it.

952
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for this. It has been such

953
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: a beautiful conversation. I wanted to just talk for hours

954
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: now to give such a calming voice. You need a podcast.

955
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, you really do.

956
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: One of those people. Here's their recorded voice and it's

957
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: like correct and.

958
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: You know that's everyone. But I'm telling you your voice

959
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: is great to listen to. Thank you so much. I

960
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: want everyone to go out there. Wait, your book is

961
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: out when October tenth, October ten, chtober ten.

962
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: Whether you listen to this theah for pre order, you know.

963
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, October tenth, Grab this book. It's gonna not just

964
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: give back to you, but to your family, to the

965
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: environment around you. And I think what great investment to

966
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: make in yourself and the world around you. So thank

967
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: you so much for creating that Westbourne. Oh my gosh.

968
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you the other oils look gorgeous

969
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to taste them. And I'm so

970
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: excited to see what else you do in the world.

971
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be magical. Well, we have a lot we

972
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: got to collaborate on.

973
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: And again, you have a very beautiful and very necessary

974
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: voice in this and we need this ground swell so

975
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: that it is, you know, the new normal.

976
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: I know you're going to teach me how to make

977
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Speaker 1: my phone. Yes, yes, thank you. Thanks so much m

978
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Speaker 1: hm